>the setting that survived 5e

>the setting that survived 5e
how did he do it bros?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shh don't talk about it or the gay will find out and make everyone trans

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ok but girl borys

    • 3 weeks ago
      Lord of WoTC

      >Woosh
      Everyone in Dark Sun is trans now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Neat.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You called?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry, Anon. Ghosts of Saltmarsh counts.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WotC was smart enough to realize it would require proper psionic rules but too dumb to make proper psionic rules

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did Ravenloft get something?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just read the wiki page. I'm sorry I asked. I wish I could go back to blissful ignorance.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh god. What happened with Ravenloft, anon?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Let's do the good first. There's no map anymore. It's just a bunch of floating islands in the Mysts. I'm actually fine with. I never liked the map. Blutspurt actually has lore now. The new domain of Kalakeri is actually pretty well written. The monsters are fun.
            Now for the bad. There are infinite versions of each domain, each slightly different. Because we needed an explanation why different DMs run it differently? A bunch of the old characters got turned into women. Viktor is now Viktra, and Adam is now her ex lesbian lover she turned into a misunderstood monster (which, for anyone who hasn't read Frankenstein, the idea is that Adam, the monster, was turned into a monster because people kept rejecting and attacking him, so he grew disillusioned and did become what they thought of him, so Frankenstein and Adam are both monsters). Van Richten's son, the Sherlock expy, is now gay with the Watson expy. The Carnival was changed. It's not actually Isolde who's the Lord, but the sword. Isolde is now an Elf who got changed with twins that used to run it, and she used to run the Feywild equivalent (the Witclight carnival from the adventure). Also the mutations aren't bad now, created by the fact that such a powerful good aligned being is in the demiplane. Also there's really no reason the sword is imprisoned or a Darklord, because it still mainly revolves around Isolde's quest to kill the Demon. Darkon is falling apart. Azalin escaped or became the dark sun or something. But it's literally falling apart piece by piece. Falkovnia is now just zombie apocalypse and makes no sense for Vladeska's (changed from Vlad) story.
            There's also domains mentioned only in short, not giving enough to actually run them properly, and more are missing.
            There's more but I'm running out of space. It has some good ideas, but mostly it's just bad. Honestly this book is what made me rethink wanting Al-Qadim in 5e. Or at least handled by WotC.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > Adam
              Always a dead giveaway that someone didn't really read the book. That said, Ravenloft can diverge.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know he was never given a name and said something along the lines of "I should be your Adam" but more Victorian. The doctor called him the monster. Adam is just a way to refer to him in shorthand because referring to him as the monster kind of defeats the point. Even though he became such in time.

                >Mysts
                *mists. Myst, capital M y, is a video game.

                Back when the Demiplane first came out we always wrote it with a y and capitalized it. Edgy teens in the 80s and 90s. Same with psyonics actually. It just stuck with me. Hard to get rid of a 30+ year old habit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Mysts
              *mists. Myst, capital M y, is a video game.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dark Sun's aesthetic and themes are too strong and the dystopia is too intense to attract the Critical Role crowd, so it's not going to get ruined.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically, I tried to run Dark Sun once for a group and they immediately started conflating the Sorcerer Kings with Trump and insisting on overthrowing them. They also hated having to worry about shit like water and sun exposure. I miss when people could just embrace the fantasy of a particular setting instead of trying to wrangle it into yet another power fantasy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But Dark Sun is all about overthrowing the Sorcerer Kings

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, I don't see what's stopping them from creating a 'good' aligned faction or city filled with trans and former slaves that are the 'Resistance' or some shit like that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's really not, IMO. The books are about that, and it basically fucks up the entire status quo the setting material lays out. Hell, even the books heroes are basically afforded a bunch of conveniences and contrivances to even get a shot at one, much less kill one. The Sorcerer Kings are basically untouchable as the setting actually describes and the real meat is in exploring and surviving the world as it is.

          That's some terminally online political shit right there. That said, a giant dragon with Trump's voice and like, the red hat would be really funny.

          >I'm gonna build the biggest ziggurat. Huge. Let me tell you it's going to be the biggest, and it's going to be made out of solid gold, and Nibenay is going to pay for it.

          I should have really leaned into that for a laugh at least, but I was so disgusted that I basically just willingly fizzled the game out.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are ways to go about it. Support Oronis, help create more avangions.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            IMO, the only reason to play in a published setting is so that you have more information on how it's going to crumble when PCs break shit. I don't get this sacrosanct settings attitude at all.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not saying the setting is sacred, I'm saying they already did the "let's dethrone the Sorcerer Kings and it was boring". IMO everytime time they've tried to change or evolve the setting it was always for the worse. I'm saying the most interesting part of the setting is just accepting you're in hell world and trying to live there on its terms instead of immediately trying to make it paradise.
              It'd be like throwing Sigil and the Planescape at people and then the campaign just being trying to find a portal home instead.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but I was so disgusted that I basically just willingly fizzled the game out.
            Man have I been there a lot recently. It's amazing how easy it is to kill the game just by not talking about it and waiting for people to bring it up to you. Kind of a litmus test, honestly. If you're not willing to put forth the effort, how can I trust you're enthusiastic about actually playing? Especially if you're just going to assume anything white/human and rich is a Trump expy?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's some terminally online political shit right there. That said, a giant dragon with Trump's voice and like, the red hat would be really funny.

        >I'm gonna build the biggest ziggurat. Huge. Let me tell you it's going to be the biggest, and it's going to be made out of solid gold, and Nibenay is going to pay for it.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The problem a lot of "OUR fantasy is different" have is that they don't really have any strong unifying theme, just a bunch of subverted tropes. Dark Sun isn't trying to be fresh, it isn't trying to be different, it's only trying to be a fun mad max sword and sorcery setting.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it isn't trying to be different
      wut
      Dark Sun subverted the popular tropes of every standard DnD race

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        i get the impression that the guy you responded to is so /tg/ brained that he thinks any and all subversions is bad if not somehow evil.

        Not at all! I never said it didn't subvert tropes or that subverting tropes is always evil or anything like that! What I mean is that it never got so obsessed with subverting tropes that it missed the forest for the trees. It focused on being a fun, original setting that could stand on its own two legs rather than selling itself as "are you bored with DnD? Try this!"

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          fair enough my man. I agree with your point completely.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To me, Dark Sun is better at delivering the core D&D experience of plundering ruins in a hostile wilderness than most campaign settings.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dark Sun is also pretty gonzo while everything else feels bland. Making the human knockoffs technicolor doesn't stop the medieval tripe from sinking in.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it isn't trying to be different
      wut
      Dark Sun subverted the popular tropes of every standard DnD race

      i get the impression that the guy you responded to is so /tg/ brained that he thinks any and all subversions is bad if not somehow evil.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    85%-90% of 5e Dark Sun is available between the 4e book and the material already in 5e.
    WotC is wary of courting any controversy considering they can’t even make Spelljammer without ham-handing an unnecessary and mangled reference into a racially-tinged blowup.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Weebanon

      Dark Sub would be a massive shit show. Slavery is kind of a big deal there. So much so that just removing it guts the setting

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Slavery is too scary to touch. Safer to have technicolour startrek galleons. Seems like they still managed to fuck that one up though.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's not Mystara.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mystara had an honorable death, but died with the advent of 3E.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By being forgotten

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oblivion is better than death in some cases.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Better forgotten than mutilated in today's age.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    planescape

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      4E killed Planescape.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's returning in 5e. https://www.dicebreaker.com/games/dungeons-and-dragons-5e/news/planescape-dnd-setting-returns

      Hate to break it too you but a dndb leak shows they’re working on it already

      The leak was probably just them thinking of referencing it in Spelljammmer but replacing it last minute. Or so I hope.

      Where does one go to find old Dark Sun pdfs, I've been meaning to read up on it but the trove is toast.

      Ask on the PDF share thread or just Google Dark Sun PDF. First result. Also zlib.

      It makes sense why they haven't brought back darksun but how the fuck have they not done anything with al-qadim? It's a virtue signallers wetdream
      >enlightened pseudo arabic culture
      >racial prejudice literally doesn't exist
      >monster races are normal respected members of society
      >islam but muhammed and allah are both women
      And to top it all off, it's actually a cool and interesting setting. How are they not jumping at this?

      Fuck I hope not. There's two camps here. Either they're White Americans who get insulted by it, even though they never read it, until they learn I have Arab ancestry. And then they get insulted by it on my behalf. The other half are American Arabs who don't know their own history or have never read it or the actual 1001 nights and get insulted. There's a handful of Europeans and Asians that did read it and are fine with it. Hell I've talked with my family down in Oman and Saudi Arabia, and they like it. It's NOTHING like actual historical Arabia. It's loosely based on the 1001 nights with small blinks of 19th century Ottoman Empire culture as translated by Ser Richard Burton, who made it more sexual and added other stories, some his own, ro appeal to Victorians. Let this set it. It's a Victorian translation of an Arab and Ottoman and Egyptian version of a Persian story that got passed to them through all of Central Asia all the way from India. The story is as pan Asian as it gets.

      >Anglo culture is centered around coddling Africans - and one way this manifests is policing because some people might compare them to Africans.
      I'm pretty sure that says something about the people making the correlation and complaining. Same shit with orcs.

      Try telling them that and they'll accuse you of suppressed and internalized racism. I don't remember the last time I thought about race until someone brings it up. But ya know. Being picked on because your family are immigrants isn't the same because you're pasty White.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > https://www.dicebreaker.com/games/dungeons-and-dragons-5e/news/planescape-dnd-setting-returns
        >the Planescape setting originally created for the very first edition of D&D
        >The city of Sigil was introduced in the Manual of Planes: Second Edition book released for Dungeons & Dragons First Edition
        What a clueless sod. How does this person remain employed?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Written by a woman
          That should answer your question

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Weebanon

    Hate to break it too you but a dndb leak shows they’re working on it already

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally what are they going to do, release Darksun without 80% of Dark Sun? Have of the setting is slavery, races "Coded" as savages or whatever made-up nonsense language they use these days, and brutality.

      If you removed everything problematic with Dark Sun you'd be left with an uninhabited desert, and that's assuming they didn't take the desert too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't tempt them, anon. They'll find a way.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All they need is the Dark Sun name and D&D logo and they've a 40$ sourcebook.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By being boring

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By having an introductory event that killed off snowflakes in the first encounter. Those were brutal af.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where does one go to find old Dark Sun pdfs, I've been meaning to read up on it but the trove is toast.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pdf share thread. I downloaded every single piece of worthwhile Dark Sun material from there.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >requires psionic rules
    >setting is too dark for the new crowd
    >slavery galore

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Art was too glorious and scared gays away
    >probably helped that genocide and oppression and defiling and psionics are all core concepts to the setting.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It makes sense why they haven't brought back darksun but how the fuck have they not done anything with al-qadim? It's a virtue signallers wetdream
    >enlightened pseudo arabic culture
    >racial prejudice literally doesn't exist
    >monster races are normal respected members of society
    >islam but muhammed and allah are both women
    And to top it all off, it's actually a cool and interesting setting. How are they not jumping at this?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >racial prejudice literally doesn't exist
      >monster races are normal respected members of society
      This is already the case is almost every setting new DnD players have their game, the concept of 'monster race' is almost extinct since all of them saw bugbears, goblins, orcs, etc being played regularly.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because "people" will jump all over all of it screaming about how it's culturally insensitive and appropriation, just like they did with Hadozee.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >5e Hadozee

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >5e Hadozee

        why did people get so mad about hadozee they're just monkeys who like to sail

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anglo culture is centered around coddling Africans - and one way this manifests is policing because some people might compare them to Africans. In fact, Google had to hard code this out of image searches, since even robots naively found an uncanny resemblance.

          This is particularly funny, because the current iteration of the hadozee looks vaguely Irish, and it still got the "monkey people, you must be slagging off Africans" treatment.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Anglo culture is centered around coddling Africans - and one way this manifests is policing because some people might compare them to Africans.
            I'm pretty sure that says something about the people making the correlation and complaining. Same shit with orcs.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Woke leftists are just as racist as the retards screaming moron at the top of their lungs whenever they see a black person in any media, they just live in denial of it.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Woke fags are race fetishists

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              These people don't have the self-awareness.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I haven't brought myself to look into whatever nonsense got them riled up. I saw "something something Minstrel" and looked away.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Anglo culture is centered around coddling Africans - and one way this manifests is policing because some people might compare them to Africans.
          I'm pretty sure that says something about the people making the correlation and complaining. Same shit with orcs.

          Outrage IS the product and D&D is just the vehicle to deliver it. They declare the old content problematic and racist, and then hire racist writers so everyone has something to be outraged about over the new content. Everyone continues to not actually play D&D.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How are they not jumping at this?
      because they're sucking ed greenwoods dick which means the only thing that exists is Forgotten Realms. doesn't matter if there's a subsetting of forgotten realms the books can only be about Forgotten Realms as a generality

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't know
        The last several releases have been non-Forgotten Realms ones (Wild Beyond the Witchlight, that Spelljammer adventure, Journeys through the Radiant Citadel).

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I /know/
          but here's the thing. some of that shit has to used Forgotten Realms to segue into it. Wild Beyond the Witchlight, and at least one dnd beyond adventure for spelljammer uses the Realms as a lead-in

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you really think these people look at anything past skin deep? They're going to see Turbans on the head, see that it was made in the 80s/90s, and immediately screech that it's racist.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How are they not jumping at this?
      >islam but muhammed and allah are both women
      They don't want the Charlie Hebdo treatment.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >islam but muhammed and allah are both women
      They would be eviscerated for doing this.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sha'ir best class

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        based but that image quality is fucking abhorrent

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          was looking for higher res but sadly couldn't find none

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The one two punch of slavery being core and major feature to the point they couldn't pretend otherwise by hiding it in a single paragraph they hope no one will read and the fact that the devs are so retarded they couldn't figure out even a basic psionic system.

    The limited class options like no divine and essentially no arcane characters probably also soured them because then how can Jimmy do his le epic Hexblade 1/Cleric 3/Wizard X build he found on reddit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I still laugh every day at all the people complaining about 5e being shit when 4e fixed all its mistakes a decade ago. You can literally run Dark Sun better in 4e, with its emphasis on competent Martials, fleshed out Psionics and finally separating druidic/elemental magic off as Primal away from Divine, than you can in 5e.

      Anglo culture is centered around coddling Africans - and one way this manifests is policing because some people might compare them to Africans. In fact, Google had to hard code this out of image searches, since even robots naively found an uncanny resemblance.

      This is particularly funny, because the current iteration of the hadozee looks vaguely Irish, and it still got the "monkey people, you must be slagging off Africans" treatment.

      I always preferred Phanatons, myself.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder why is dark sun popular on Ganker? It seems to have a bit of a leftist environment message to it, sure it has that barbaric strong men create strong times vibe but then again the UK has been declining under a tory government so who knows. Considering how magic (well specifically animistic nature based magic and psychic powers) is rather popular there with most denizens of dark sun having magical powers which seems to be anathema to the magic-hating consensus of modern Ganker as well as the fact that you could easily make an argument that arcane magic is basically what oil is nowadays.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because not everything has to be political. Sometimes people like things because they're cool.

      Also arcane magic is misuse of nuclear energy. Duh.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's fantasy Mad Max
      Who doesn't like fantasy Mad Max / Fist of the North Star

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > It seems to have a bit of a leftist environment message to it, sure
      Kek, what?
      >. Considering how magic (well specifically animistic nature based magic and psychic powers) is rather popular there with most denizens of dark sun having magical powers which seems to be anathema to the magic-hating consensus of modern Ganker
      Okay so you don't play Dark Sun, lmao. Because magic is specifically not popular as its the source of the planet dying. And the "most people have magic powers" you're thinking of is psionics, which isn't the same thing.
      >arcane magic is basically what oil is nowadays.
      You sound like an idiot.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mostly because it looks cool.
      Its almost impossible to get anyone to talk about a 2nd ed game of dark suns they actually played. It must have happened but it doesn't seem to come up nearly as much as just talking about how cool it looked, bits of the lore and how it was 'hardcore'.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > It seems to have a bit of a leftist environment message to it
      Which one, is the misuse of magic like lithium being dug up for people's misguided whims?

      It's old school, it's unique and still hasn't been ruined. Also is tied to a semi popular video game. Sword and Sorcery does quite well around here and while it's not exact, there's a ton of cross over.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ganker was once itself leftist (of the anti-authoritarian edgelord variety). The establishment just went so far left being anti-authoritarian is right-wing. Basic values like "don't fuck up the environment" and "being nice to animals is cool" do not oppose the traditional Ganker ethos.

      Plus people of any political alignment can make cool shit and sometimes you just gotta separate art from the artist.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ganker was always left
        Lol revisionist

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Ganker was always left
          "Once" and "always" are not the same; invest in reading comprehension or consider suicide.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Reread that post, anon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >wasting full house like this
      I'll have you thrown to pits for this idiocy, slave

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      because its a cool setting that has more in common with old school sword&sorcery and old school roleplay compared to the bright and quirky high fantasy trappings of modern day popularity. Ganker is full of contrarians that prefer older and more obscure shit
      it has nothing to do with politics retard, you must be a newfag tainted by 4chan

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Implying
    They'd make Dark Sun in a heartbeat if they thought it was profitable, and they'd absolutely fucking butcher it too.
    The god damn Spelljammer book doesn't have ship combat rules in it except for a line that says "just get your ship close to the enemy then have your party board them"
    The book even refers to a "Repair Object" spell that doesn't fucking exist, and makes mending able to patch giant cannonball sized holes in ships now
    WotC just does not give a fuck, they'll churn out *literal* garbage to make money because their players will eat it up and the players with actual taste will just homebrew it and patch it up

    WotC is the Bethesda of tabletop game companies. Releasing garbage products that their fanbase fixes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >WotC is the Bethesda of tabletop game companies. Releasing garbage products that their fanbase fixes.
      Seem more like the EA of ttrpgs.
      What would Paizo be then? The Ubisoft of ttrpgs?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Seem more like the EA of ttrpgs.
        What EA game relies on its fanbase to mod it?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're both Bethesda. Paizo is just the fags that cling Oblivion and Morrowind.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's incredible how they still manage to get away with it

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just stop using 5e setting books and stop running 5e.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rate the Defiling Rules for my Dark Sun 5e homebrew.
    Unlike other spellcasting classes, Defilers do not regain spell slots by resting. Instead, they must draw out the living energies of the world around them to fuel their magic. This is the defining feature of magic on Athas and the reason that spellcasters are so reviled. Each time a Defiler draws energy to themself in this way, they hasten the demise of the dying world.
    In gameplay terms, Defiling functions as follows:
    >The Defiler must spend at least one hour in meditation and can take no other actions during this time. At the end of the first hour, the Defiler regains any spent Sorcery Points up to their maximum for free.
    >At the end of each hour spent meditating, the Defiler makes an Arcana check with a DC determined by the terrain they are currently in.
    >For every point by which the Defiler beats the Arcana check, they gain ‘extra’ Sorcery Points that must be instantly converted back into spell slots at a rate of 2 per spell level recovered. (For example, if the DC for the local terrain is 10 and the result of your Arcana check with all bonuses applied is 16 then you may regain one 3rd level slot or one 2nd level slot and one 1st level slot or three 1st level slots.) This effect occurs directly at the end of the hour and any unspent Sorcery Points are wasted.
    >A Defiler may choose to meditate this way for several hours at a time, making one Arcana check at the end of each hour, however for each hour already spent in meditation the DC of the Arcana check increases by 1.
    >Each time a Defiler makes an Arcana check to regain spell slots in this way, the DC check for Foraging Rations in the immediate area permanently increases by 1, regardless of the results of the Defiler’s Arcana roll.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I actually kind of based a subsystem off it for my own Kung Fu martial arts world, but made it Ki. Any non internal magic uses Ki of the land. This includes Divine and Primal casters. Only Monks and a relatively weak Ki mage homebrew class don't do it. It's a not so simple "land has Ki based on size". A forest and a field right next to it have separate Ki pools. The Ki also has flow, element (the Chinese five), and polarity (Yin-Yang). All are actually pretty logical. If you're close to water there's Water Ki. When you cast a spell you use Ki from the area equal to the level (or 1 per two cantrips). Then roll a d100. Rolling above the current Ki triggers an effect equal to the difference. Say it started at 100 and is currently at 50. The 40-60 effect would happen, which is disease. The worst is a 500+ difference which immediately turns the whole area into a desert. But few areas are even large enough to have that much Ki. Especially as people build cities and block the flow, creating smaller pockets.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If I understand this correctly, then when casting a spell of 5th level in an area that has 50 Ki, I have a 55% chance of a bad effect occurring. What is the typical Ki of, say, a grassy meadow? How dramatic are the tables for effects?

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Athas is the only published setting that I've ever really given serious consideration to running. The 4e books are the best things about 4e imo and I'm glad I picked them up.
    In the end I did not use it, I just home-brewed some stuff and made a Mars setting for BX.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But it didn't survive 4e.
    4e made it into some bullshit hero setting - removing all of the lethality and edge the original had.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      4e was the most lethal edition of all due to having to actually play 4e and not get bored and quit

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If they do release a Dark Sun book it will be an adventure about leading slave revolts and destroying the opressors. Then the setting will be a perfect paradise after everyone is free.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget restoring water to Athas by combating climate change

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget restoring water to Athas by combating climate change

      You don’t run your Dark Sun campaigns like that?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No one runs a dark suns campaign.
        We're at 65 posters and no one has talked about a campaign for 2nd ed they played in or ran.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I did tho

          Unironically, I tried to run Dark Sun once for a group and they immediately started conflating the Sorcerer Kings with Trump and insisting on overthrowing them. They also hated having to worry about shit like water and sun exposure. I miss when people could just embrace the fantasy of a particular setting instead of trying to wrangle it into yet another power fantasy.

          It was awful and convinced me modern players (and hell maybe even old hand fans) don't know how to play it or what's interesting about it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            My bad, I assumed you ran it in 4e due to the trump parts.
            Were you running it with 2nd btb? How did the players deal with psionics? What classes/races did they play?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Naw, I was using my old 2E copies cause I wouldn't use (and don't own) anything else. We had a Mul Gladiator, a Thrikeen psionicist, Elf thief, half giant fighter, and a halfelf defiler. I ran it pretty much by the book save psionics, which is just my own mishmash of elements I prefer from the Psionics HB and the revised psionics from the revised Dark Sun box.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This sounds pretty cool.
                How far into it did you get before you decided not to continue? Were the players making use of the 'generate 3 characters for when someone dies'?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I played in one awhile ago, back when 4e was the the current D&D system. Played a Water Genasi. My character was a loose interpretation of the stuff from The Mind Lords of the Last Sea. They were a cleric with access to the water domain and elemental priest theme, who became a rainbringer, and then reached level 21 and became avangion. Sadly the campaign sort of just died after that.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [cont]
            It was basically what I played in 2e for clarification. Although that actually finished with reaching the final level for becoming an avangion.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [cont]
            It was basically what I played in 2e for clarification. Although that actually finished with reaching the final level for becoming an avangion.

            >getting to level 21 in 2nd with dark suns
            That's very cool. How long did that take? What size group was it and how often did you play?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >How long did it take?
              4 years
              >What size group
              5 players
              >How often did you play
              Saturdays, and most of the time except when stuff like holidays or family trips.
              It was a really fun experience in my opinion for when I played back in 2e.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Neat. Did your group end up using the multiple characters stable rules and if so how often did they come up? It seemed like an interesting idea but wasn't sure how it worked out in practice.
                Was it more dm created material or did you use the modules? Any adventures stand out as well made?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Stable characters
                We had those for if the characters died, mine was one of the few who survived from start to finish. We also just had a thing where the players would swap characters for different sessions unless it was for like us being in a dungeon or whatever in which characters were consistent. How we did it was living on a caravan as guards, healers, merchants, etc, traveling from place to place. The Sorcerer-Kings didn't really pay us much attention at first, mostly just us being merchants. We started to deal with a few Sorcerer Kings in the mid to later parts of the campaigns, mostly because we wanted to protect our caravan.
                >Did the dm create material or use modules
                The DM did a mix of both. Mostly just monster of the week stuff with an overarching plot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Using a travelling caravan as the general idea for character stables is a good idea.
                Overall did you find it that different than other D&D settings you had tried?
                Sorry for all the questions, it always seemed like a cool setting but not many people talk about playing it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah the questions are fine man. I personally preferred Dark Sun to other settings truth be told, there is something important to me about trying to do good in a world that has been ruined. (green text for trying to keep reading comprehension easy)
                >My luck with characters prior to that was bad, they tended to die, like a lot. It actually meant something to me when my character ascended as an avangion, a force of good to help heal the world.
                >I played a water genasi in 4e as in 4e the genasi were the elemental protectors of athas who failed in their role. Basically trying to make up for past mistakes.
                >I know, at least the strawman or actual people if they saw it, would be irate about liking a world where stuff like slavery exists. But they just don't get it. They don't get the feeling of playing a good aligned person trying to help the land and its people who live in such a hellhole in their day to day life.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's dope. Glad you got to play through all that. Thanks for filling in some questions.
                Did your group find psionics that difficult for people to use as a ruleset or is that more a meme?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Psionics existed. One player really tried to make psionics work, so there was this running theme that a good chunk of the caravans residents were just psionic capable, who also tended to meet unfortunate ends.
                >How difficult to learn psionics for party
                I just sort of understood it as a short hand of alternate spellcasting. The dm and the guy who played psionic users had a better grasp of it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                (whoops meant this to reply to

                That's dope. Glad you got to play through all that. Thanks for filling in some questions.
                Did your group find psionics that difficult for people to use as a ruleset or is that more a meme?

                )

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That makes sense. The psionics rules seem a bit obtuse even for older game rules.
                Its been inspiring to read, good idea for the caravan bit and otherwise filling in infogaps.
                Thanks anon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No problem. I think the caravan aspect and 'event of the week' style gameplay can really help with introducing new players to it. As it does allow a different approach, a slow burn of the horror of Athas.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm actually working on a Dark Sun campaign now. Hoping to get things rolling in the next month or so. If you're looking for a group, send me an email.

    [email protected]

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Setting about survival
    >Survives
    dunno

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >survived 5e
    It's not over, man. They just fucked Spelljammer. They're definitely coming to fuck Dark Sun too at some point.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >in the most recent raid, Temple Guard seized an odd item from a cell allegedly working with the Veiled Alliance
    >at first glance it would seem as if it is a rod of some sort, but closer inspection dismisses this possibility
    >it's a crude, hollowed out bone, reinforced with obsidian inlets and pieces, chiseled and shaped, housing a diminutive "pebble" at it's heavier end
    >it seems as if the pebble is giving out a very faint inner glow
    >it's a Power Stone
    >Psionic Identify however reveals it holds multiple copies of a very simple Talent, a 0-level power known as "Far Hand"
    >a segment of the contraption feeds bundles of splinters and thorns into the hollowed out bone...
    >by the Sorcerer-Kings, what is this thing?
    so, Dark Sun but primitive psionic blunderbuss gets invented. How bad of an idea this is?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gives me warhammer 40k ork vibes.

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