This time it will save wow! The game will be finally good like in good old days! Blizzard learned from their mistakes!
The War Within
This time it will save wow! The game will be finally good like in good old days! Blizzard learned from their mistakes!
HOLY SHIT
NIXXIOM BROS
WE ARE FUCKING BACK
Can't be worse than current FFXIV.
Thats not a big challenge to overcome troon fantasy. What is funny that FF cultists oppose any critic towards their game, as some sort of the cult, just like those cryptokeks when you dare to say that crypto has no value and their shitty apes are worthless
>Calling FFXIV "troon fantasy"
Hypocrisy much?
You will never be barry
Sotero?
Sad but true, at least WoW does not have literal hackers and cheaters playing it.
>at least WoW does not have literal hackers and cheaters playing it
People actually believe this?
Did you forget about huge chunk of WFR raiders getting banned for using rotation bots?
Or pvp bots sandbaging in battlegrounds?
and the fact that world first raiding is basically a race to see who can trivialize the mechanics most with new and custom weakauras that hired fags in their team get overpaid to develop
Addons are a huge problem with WoW. They’ve gone from useful tools to being required to even play the game. Someone not using addons just can’t even play the game anymore. It’s dogshit design.
>Someone not using addons just can’t even play the game anymore
is this your cope for being shit?
You’re not clearing heroic or mythic without weak auras shut the fuck up.
Youre actually dogshit at the game lmao
Heroic is a joke, 100%, roll your face on the keyboard kind of joke
Sure anon, the game is designed around DBM and weak auras and everyone uses them but they’re actually just bad at the game lmfao.
Youre bad at the game if you think you need timers to clear heroic, yeah
Nothing in WoW requires DBM much less is designed around using it it. Literally the opposite, they put in mechanics that DBM cant do for you
No, I don’t need timers for heroic but the average player does you myopic fucking retard.
>blizzard has openly said they design encounters with addons in mind
You don’t even know what you’re talking about you fucking shitter.
>blizzard has openly said they design encounters with addons in mind
Which is not the same thing as designing them FOR addons you dumb nagger, they design them so addons CANT do every mechanic
>literally something they only started doing with DF
Lmao
except they talked about doing exactly that with bosses in early BFA? Nice try retards. Maybe if you played the game (hint: you arent good enough to) you wouldnt spout your retardation
>literally said in BFA that they could contrast encounter complexity because addons help
>doing dreadlords in SL without addons
Lmfao imagine actually being this much in denial.
Dreadlords was literally designed to be doable without addons, but players did everything in their power to force addons through instead
>every top guild in the world extensively uses addons
>actually if you use addons you’re dogshit at the game!
Lmfao I bet you’ve cleared every mythic raid without a single addon huh champ?
why is your cope always "if u dont like it ur shit"
jesus christ speak of insecure
>have literally said in the past they can increase encounter complexity because of addons
>only recently have changed their philosophy on this
You are painfully stupid and uninformed.
Anon, he's right.
People demand weakauras for even just normal.
That's one problem, sure. But at least the default are fairly regular.
World first raiders pretty much regularly find ways to cheat and break the rules, only for Blizzard to fix it afterward.
No shit, everyone that plays literally anything competitive for money cheats and breaks the rules. This isn’t an intelligent observation. Professional athletes also cheat and break the rules whenever they can get away with it to win. You still aren’t going to outperform them even when they aren’t cheating because their baseline is still an order of magnitude greater than yours or mine.
That's.. not really related to what I'm saying and just feels like you're going on a tangent because you can't tackle the point.
I don’t know what point you were trying to make then so please reword it.
Anon. You have bots that fly hack in WoW, just to farm more efficiently, and blizzard solution to that is the WoW token.
Sad but true
Holy fucking WoWtroon cope LMAO. Reminder that XIV has shown nonstop growth relative to whatever phase the game is going through despite how hard you obsess over trying to make it fail. And now you still come here to fill your head with delusions to make yourselves feel better about your dead irrelevant furry game LMAO. XIV is the #1 MMO and has been for a while.
Reply and cope, please
are you legitimately replying with yourself to create a straw-post for you to sperg against because no one else will?
>friend is still subbed to XIV
>he doesn't even play the game
>all he does is take coomer screenshots and mod his catslut with slut glam
>everytime he sends me pics I just respond, "gameplay?"
That catslut's name?
Albert. Einstein.
What's wrong with that? Some people spend hours (or even days) of their lives grinding for one mount or those Garrosh shoulders in wow. As long as they're having fun, right?
because at least that is something tangeable that you can wear/transmog and others can see.. modding in XIV is only for yourself unless you do that dumb sharing mod... and even then it's not official loot/gear it's just stuff that overwrites existing gear
basically it's pointless/coomer shit
It's still just vanity in the end, it's the same type of person doing it just playing different games.
Anon, he's larping so he has an excuse to cry about xiv.
You won't get him to see sense because he's fabricated an entire situation for himself where he can moan about another game to his heart's content, and you're basically just expecting him to go "you're right haha I guess I was being silly."
>It's still just vanity in the end
I mean yeah, I guess. But my point is he just downloads mods that overwrite the game files. At least other people are earning achievements and getting actual in-game items that look certain ways.
I played since 1.0, I just thinking modding is retarded, especially modbeasts who take it too far. I installed basic shit like 2k/4k textures, but he takes it to a whole different level. Spending hours and hours in G-pose. He's subbing for barbie dressup, not for XIV.
>I get these things so others can see them
lol
Sounds like he should go play Second Life.
>then everyone clapped
>everytime he sends me pics I just respond, "gameplay?"
You're a shit friend
>game offers a wide variety of ways you can engage with and immerse yourself besides combat
>this is bad
Huh?
SL and DF already exist, don't underestimate wow in how shitty their expansions can be
The devs are listening. 11.0 will be different.
If 11.0 will fix everything, why do we need 12.0?
did they fire the troons yet?
Nixxiom has the gayest voice I've ever heard. How people can watch his videos is beyond me
Has there ever been a game that has been saved so many times?
It just keeps happening
Why does it need saving so much?
no
>The expansion that saved World of Warcraft
>Know every little about it save for story and some QoL systems
>Still months away at least
>saved WoW
was getting caught part of his plan?
algorithm booster words
Shouldn't you at least wait until the content is actually out and has been experienced to declare the game "saved"?
The Blizzdrones are unsalvageable. The sheer amount of onions oozing through their orifices after seeing another generic rehashed unimaginative slopxpansion fills me with both disgust and pity. WoW will never be “back” unless they do WoW2 and fire everyone present in development post vanilla.
>unless they do WoW2
this is retarded very time i hear it. WoW can't be saved, not by anyone at this point, not in this political climate, not by current investors, not by its fans or its original team. it's donezo, it was lightning in a bottle and it's gone.
troon take
tranny take
wow is a tranny game made by trannies for trannies. ywnbaw and your game will never recover.
Tick rock, FF tranny. Time´s running out.
every fucking expansion is the one that "saved WoW" isn't it?
Every single patch, according to some. Every expansion is the conclusion of a long running saga in the story as well these days.
At least since MoP
I just want the game to be fun. Legion was fun.
I resubbed and feel like Brooks in Shawshank Redemption. Feels completely alien to me now.
Ready to join the ACK, WoW haters? We´re BACK, baby!
>we're b-ACK
Bro it isn’t even out yet you have to at least say “will save”
He is a memeber of bronze dragonflight, he came from the future
>wow is saved this time for sure
you retards never learn do you
What happened to Anduin? I didn't play SNeedolands.
He became a homosexual
Big bad shoved Arthas' soul inside him, then brainwashed him into going across several afterlives doing massacres to get the Totally-Not-Infinity-Stones.
<:^O
>bracket save bracket
Anyway fuck off with Youtube/Twitter screencap threads.
So Aleria the purple bitch now?
There's also xalatath
Aren't they the same person?
No, The waifu dagger had her soul transferred into the body of a high elf cult leader.
Alleria got slapped with void shit in Legion and learned how to control it through Void Ethereals.
kill all WoW youtubers
you know when you think about it, wow players are just constantly begging to be saved. kinda sad.
People said this when WoD came out and I didn't believe it then, but I do now:
The moment WoW shuts down there'll be mass suicides.
I actually miss when Asmongold played wow. All he does now is just video react and do promo streams for weeb shit games. He actually used to produce top content during Wod, Legion and even BFA. Now he has become so washed up and part of the machine its sad.
did you expect anything different from streamers after the boom?
>mom murderer
no one cares about this homosexual besides para-social losers
could use few more references to his dead mother
You forgot the part where he snuck in diet coke for her at the hospital despite the doctor's direct orders not to. She died the next day and he milked the shit out of her death with donations. Streamers are the scum of the earth.
>just refuse your dying mother's last request
He should have gotten her a regular coke in that case
Agreed.
He should have refused every request before that when she was moaning for more cigarettes.
>He is just me with money
I hate that cunt i need to find a con idea
Thanks for the 10 grifties, anon. Where was I... Oh yeah...
Wow, that's crazy..
Didn't this fake fuck say he was quitting after the Blizzard lawsuits?
They all did
Now they're making hype reaction vids to Worldsoul Saga
>saved
its not even out yet, wtf.
No other game has so many youtubers and streamers dedicated to it as WoW, they've got to cheer things on it's their job.
Oh boy, we are at that part of the WoW-hype cycle
Was Dragonflight even positively received?
It wasnt received at all. Nobody cared
Of course it was, it saved WoW after all.
No. It landed with a flop. People were just happen it wasn't complete dogshit but it ruined the Emerald dream, pushed more lgbt storylines, and just further disney-fied everything. The only legacy DF is going to have is dragonriding but dragonriding just makes all the issues flying has significantly worse.
A step up from BfA and SL, but not as well as Legion. They finally ditched the cancer systems in those three xpacs, but the raids have been meh and the art style and tone leaves a lot to be desired. "Fastest selling" but it's even more dead than SL was, and it will be even more destitute when fated raids come back and everyone's playing SoD or cata classic
>t. didn't play it
Its not bad its just mid as fuck and mid isn't good enough these days.
yes its saved the game
please come back
People say it's the best expansion in a long time which isn't saying much but honestly a lot of people just stopped playing because there isn't all that much to do
Might check it out on sale then. I'm bored of FFXIV.
Might as well wait for the next expansion that will "save" wow, because even dragonflight needs saving apparently.
Really though, starting fresh on the final patch of an expansion isn't great because by the time you're ready to engage with endgame people will already have stop running it
Currently they are offering Dragonflight for free as a bonus if you pre-order the next expansion's base version. Not sure if that's really a deal but since they have that on their store, I doubt we will get another sale for DF.
>there isn't all that much to do
what exactly changed between this expansion and the previous ones? is it just the autists playing games 16h a day saying that?
Yes, but also people who just want to farm towards stuff can't really do anything because everything is locked to weeklies so you log in and do everything once and then log out and wait for next week. Sure there's raids and M+ but if you're not that interested in mythic you have nothing but farming old content left
stuff to farm towards got removed because raidloggers blew a gasket over having to play more than an hour a week for marginal power gains.
There isn’t much to do outside of Arena, Raids, and Mythic +. If you are the type of player that is oriented towards one of this activities it’s a very fun expansion. If you arent, then you’re going to hate it. The next expansion is supposed to help fix this by introducing world content endgame progression to give these players something actually engaging to do. Right now world content in WoW is dogshit and there’s very little for a casual player to do.
On Reddit people say its literally the best expansion of all time.
>reddit
>anything but an advertising hub full of robots
unironically so many people praise but but it seems like its extremely dead anyway.
wow shilltubers sure insisted it was the best expansion since wotlk
a return to form
but they also admitted they didn't care to play it
and now they're saying "war within will save the game"
even though it just had the best expansion since wotlk
how curious
>wow shilltubers sure insisted it was the best expansion since wotlk
Every wow expansion since Cata was at point the savior of wow. That usually lasts from around 1 week post launch to a couple months post launch, after which the next upcoming expansion becomes the savior of wow because blizzard finally listened.
oh yeah, but they insisted it was true even in every patch after that
taliesin legitimately kept repeating that dragonflight was the best wow has ever been
even as he confessed that his viewership went way down and he didn't feel like playing the game anymore
DF is one of the best expansions they’ve ever done because it doesn’t require you to log in every day, brainlet. You can actually set attainable goals, complete them, and then chill until the next patch. Exactly like 14.
>Exactly like 14
That's the problem, MMO niggas don't want to chill out, they need a new grind every patch.
There is something to grind every patch it’s just not endgame focused grind. Right now they have an 8 week patch cycle. There’s always something to do right now but there’s nothing you HAVE to do.
>There’s always something to do right now but there’s nothing you HAVE to do.
Like I said, that's the problem.
It needs to have a good balance between being having to do it and not having to do it.
Right now everything in DF just exists, there is no point in playing when you will be given shit for free next patch.
That's why Endwalker and Dragonflight are failing.
People have been making this fucking argument since TBC. Shut the fuck up, you don’t even play the game.
No you absolute fucking retard
TBC era had different standard where leveling and questing were enough to satisfy people.
Stop fucking larping as oldfag
Lmao people regularly bitched about badge gear invalidating raid gear from the previous patch you fucking moron. You weren’t there. I remember constant bitch firs about welfare epics from queldanis badges
it is amazing how insecure raidfags are about their shit, the moment there is alternative path to gearing that provides comparative gear to raids they breakdown into crying and screeching.
As a raidfag myself I love that I can gear outside of raids. It makes raiding easier and allows me to spend more time playing games besides WoW. People make the disingenuous argument that WoW players don’t actually want to play the game but it’s more that we want to play it when we want to play it. Legion through Shadowlands was beyond awful because WoW was trying to be the only game you could play to maintain your character. Now I can gear my main in two weeks and raid log if another game comes out I want to play. I think MMOfags in particular are mentally ill and don’t realize you don’t have to play just one game all of the time.
>Legion through Shadowlands was beyond awful because WoW was trying to be the only game you could play to maintain your character.
how so?
I can see you didn’t play those expansions.
Legion
>legion legendaries requiring you to reroll if your first one wasn’t good because it was actually faster than farming another one
>running Maw of Souls thousands of times to grind artifact power for required abilities and passives
>artifact knowledge heavily timegated
>grinding reps for allied races
>nerfed leveling xp to sell boosts
This didn’t get better until the final patch.
BFA
>artifact power returns in a worse form
>now need to have it at certain levels to equip the poor replacement for tier sets
>need to run boring island expeditions constantly to grind AP so you can use the fucking gear
>add more grinds to your artifact via essences
>add corruption items which are completely random and also completely necessary
>finally introduce a vendor for them but it’s on a weekly rotation for no reason
>also have to grind currency for the vendor
>have to grind horrific visions for your cape or you can’t clear the raid
Then Shadowlands
>maw dailies required but you can’t fly and they are on a timer
>cannot easily swap covenants
>torghast required for your legendaries
>legendaries are so expensive to craft most people buy WoW tokens to make them
>longest launch patch in wows history
>korthia doubles down on all of these problems
>introduces new ones in random domination gems that make or break classes that get lucky to loot the right ones
>the final raid was a grueling slog that was intentionally designed to be too hard for world first players, requiring multiple nerfs to even be completable by normal players
>halondrus intentionally designed to be unkillable to slow down the world first race
I am sure there are more I am forgetting but holy fuck legion through shadowlands was a brutal slog of daily grinds.
I disagree completely. I pay a sub for the game, so it should have plenty of reasons for me to log in and play often. Just go play a moba or something if you can't be bothered. Of alternatively continue to raidlog, but let me have my content. You aren't forced to play it, if you don't want to.
I agree that the game needs a lot more non raid and dungeon content actually. I’m excited for delves because it’s content for players like you to progress on. The thing is, we can both have our style of play without interfering with one another. If I want to raid log I shouldn’t be forced to do world content I don’t enjoy and you shouldn’t be forced to raid if you don’t enjoy it.
>forced to do world content
What does it mean when you are "forced" to do something in the video games World of Warcraft? I see this argument often that people are forced to do shit they don't want to. I mean, just don't do something you don't like?
The game forces you by making it so that in order to continue progressing your character you are required to do certain things. Like in BFA, if you wanted to have a strong character, you had to grind island expeditions. There was no way around it and it didn’t matter how dull they were, you still had to do it to progress your character for endgame content. This is what we mean. We aren’t literally being forced to do something but the game was designed in a way to make it so we had to do things we didn’t enjoy in order to do the content we DID enjoy. The alternative was just quitting the game, which many people did. It came to a head in shadowlands and most of the population quit the game and most will never come back now.
I mean, were you forced to do this side content in order to raid? If you didn't like island expeditions or whatever else, couldn't you just not do it? Were you ever prevented from raidlogging if that is what you wanted to do?
>I mean, were you forced to do this side content in order to raid?
Yes, wow raids are extremely gear gated so if you didn't keep up with your side content you would get oneshot and/or do 10-50% less dps than everyone else.
Some of the top parses during BFA had corruption spells doing over 50% of that character's damage. You absolutely NEEDED to do side content to have power like that.
So it essentially sounds like you disliked that there was character power to be acquired outside of raids. You want raids to exist in a vacuum, that you can just log in and interact with without having to touch the rest of the game. Don't you honestly think another genre of games are more suited for that? Maybe MOBAs, where you can jump on any time and pick your premade character that is identical to everyone elses and play?
No the game has had chores like grinding potions and food since the start. It's when you needed to engage with yet another grind for like 10-15 hours a week to be able to raid I start getting a bit tired of it
No, you didn’t play it so you’re talking out of your ass. It wasn’t a quick little grind to make the game more expansive. It was a mandatory and boring 10-15 hour grind every single week on top of grinding the raid and grinding M+, which you also had to do weekly for gear. If you had actually played it you would understand that doing a soul crushing 10+ hour grind every week on top of raiding 6-8 hours on top of doing M+ for 6-8 hours every week causes immense burnout.
>raiding 6-8 hours
who the hell is raiding 6 - 8 hours a week in modern wow? that is some vanilla 2005 shit.
3x 3hrs isn't uncommon for midcore guilds
>midcore guilds
Hey woah here, midcore players do outdoor content and LFR, there's no such thing as a midcore raiding guild
Most guilds raid 2-3 hours 2-3 times a week. Some good guilds can clear with a one night a week schedule but most don’t.
I agree there was too much annoying grinding in the past expansions, but please. No one was required to "grind for 15 hours", raid for "8 hours" and do M+ for another "8 hours". You're just overexagerating now.
No I’m not. I remember doing over 200 islands leading up to Eternal Palace so my neck level would be high enough. Just because you’re bad at the game and don’t understand how much you handicap yourself and your guild by not doing it, doesn’t mean other people didn’t have to do it to cover your slack. If you weren’t grinding your ass off Legion through Shadowlands then you were getting carried by your guild mates.
Ah, so it was more a case of social dynamics, peer pressure and players expecting each other to giga grind, rather than Blizzard making content that requires it. Now I understand what you mean.
If nobody did it then there would be no carry, and nobody in the guild would clear the raid. So yes and no on that one
No, if nobody in your guild did this grind then you’re not clearing the raid. If you didn’t do the grind and you cleared the raid it’s because enough people in your guild did to carry your ass. It was literally not possible to clear otherwise.
Which raid which expansion and why? Is it some legion artifact power thing or BFA azerite thing? That you had to boost through pointless braindead grind?
>Is it some legion artifact power thing or BFA azerite thing?
Both
All of Legion and BFA had the horrific AP grind. Shadowlands got rid of AP but required you to run extremely boring Torghast every week so you could craft your legendary items, which were required for you to progress. Torghast wasn’t very difficult or grindy but it was extremely boring and ugly, and if you missed doing it for one week your progress was massively set back. In higher end guilds missing a torghast week typically meant you were riding the bench because of how important the legendary items were. You also had an issue where covenant abilities for some classes were ONLY good in certain types of content And you could not easily swap for a long time. So, if you wanted to progress in M+ and do raids some classes required you to have alts of the same class for each type of content. It was a fucking disaster. Even when they allowed you to swap covenants it took a full weekly reset before you could. I eventually quit my Mage because I wanted to change specs but didn’t want to jump through all of these hoops just to use a different spec. On top of this you had to do Maw dailies which were on a timer since you couldn’t spend too long in the Maw. You were also not allowed to fly so you’re running around the ugliest and most depressing zone in WoW history constantly being harassed and pressured by the timer. Then Korthia released and retained all of the same problems and added domination gems which were so powerful that if you didn’t get lucky and get the good ones you were just doing shit damage. IIRC there was a RWF player that got super unlucky with these drops and didn’t get to raid because of it. On top of that Korthia is the worst zone they’ve ever put in the game, taking all of the problems of the regular Maw and cranking them to 11.
Yes. If you didn’t do island expeditions for artifact power then your necklace wouldn’t be a high enough level for your azerite armor, which your class was designed around having. So, technically, you could raid without it but you would hit a wall eventually requiring you to grind artifact power to equip the gear the raids were tuned around. Then 8.2 made this worse by adding more levels to the artifact necklace and essences to grind for. You could only equip the essences you needed though if your artifact necklace was leveled up enough though. Again, you could NOT do this but you would be hard walled by the content very quickly. Also, nobody would even invite you to play with them if you weren’t also keeping up with the grind.
so true
>doesn’t play the game
Everyone stopped playing because they geared their characters fully in two weeks because Blizz was TOO generous with the new upgrade system. It wasn’t because the content was bad, it was because we all cleared it way faster than usual because we could get mythic level gear in two weeks instead of two months in 10.1.
>You can actually set attainable goals, complete them, and then chill until the next patch. Exactly like 14.
Ok, but the class design and encounter design is still fucking autistic so it doesn't matter
This is true and big problem with the game. Hopefully they can make the game less fucking tryhard in the next expansion because their current way of designing M+ around MDI is fucking stupid. Ideally we move to a world without addons and copy the FF14 style of raiding.
>World without add-ons
Jesus fucking christ… this is who remains.
>designing a game around third party not officially supported addons is actually a good thing
It makes the game wildly inaccessible and incomprehensible to any potential new player.
Lmao, 14 plugins absolutely mog anything Wow has ever had. All contents a joke with the shit XIV players have access to
Wow had overlay plugins for a bit but the devs shit themselves in fear of how good they were and broke them I believe. We'll see if someone figures out how to do it again
>nobody plays dragonflight
>nobody watches dragonflight content
Doesn't matter, it still saved wow.
Just like worldSOVL, which will save wow again.
People liked the flying, but the story was even worse than the previous ones, and the game was just like all the previous expansions.
Am I the only one that enjoyed the races but absolutely loathed regular traversal. Despite the increased speeds it was more often than not a chore just to get from point a to b. And now they want to bring that kind of flight to the rest of the game?
Fuck that shit, I hope we can still ride the old mounts like we used to.
They literally said it’s going to be a toggle.
It was cool for regular traversal if you didn't need to land at any point, but if you wanted to pick a single herb it was by far the shittiest mode of travel in any game ever
It was better than BFA and SL, mainly because the storyline is generic filled and they primarily ignored the aforementioned expansions.
It's a bit gay sometimes but in general it's just okay, which is a significant improvement over SL.
It’s a massive step up from BFA and SL. It’s the best expansion they’ve done since MoP. It’s far FAR from perfect but it’s taken multiple steps in the right direction.
It's kinda "just there"
The premise and getting constantly burnt from past expansions made everyone not care about it
player numbers are speculated to be very bad. the biggest praise the expansion gets is "it's easy to raidlog" and "i don't have to actually play the game, it's great". blizzard seems to be going all in on the respecing the player's time (lmao) going forward, because it means they dont have to put out new content. designing your game around people who essentially do not want to play all that much seems a strange strategy.
I can imagine the marketing meeting, where Blizzard realized they could get away with "we're not putting out less content, we're just Respecting The Player's Time(tm)".
It doesn’t matter what Blizzard does, you’re not going to play the game anyway.
broaden your mind little one, you think negative reviews impact our sales?
Don't worry about it anon
no lol. nobody gave a shit. the only people praising it are people that are realizing that df is the end of wow.
Resounding meh. Story and setting was irreparably damaged by Shadowlands and the only step they can take to undo that is to declare that entire expansion non-canon but they never will. And with Blizzard being forced out of China, the floodgates got opened by the woke brigade, so you just get 'haha we're gay/trans/whatever' shit every five steps.
The gameplay is fine, but I'm just annoyed that I am arbitrarily restricted from playing the game more-or-less right now. If I want to autistically farm thousands of these shitty dreamseeds for rep or these tokens that'll be irrelevant next week, just fucking let me Blizzard instead of knee-capping me when I get too far ahead of the people that only play an hour a day.
The only couple of friends of mine that still play WoW after so many years both say the same and do not know each other: It's good but I haven't read a single word inside the game because I don't want my eyes to bleed.
>8.0
>the game is fucked, Blizzard is shit
>8.1 will fix everything
>8.1
>the game is fucked, Blizzard is shit
>8.2 will fix everything
>8.2
>the game is fucked, Blizzard is shit
>9.0 will fix everything
>9.0
>etc.
WoW can no longer be 'Saved.' Literally 98% of people responsible for the Warcraft RTS and even WoW itself are gone. All of the values they had, have all been assigned as toxic masculinity and are not permitted. Even if they made an official "WoW 2" it would literally be a higher res version of the troonism which has taken over.
The dispersion of the HoTS team is all you need as a bellwether. Blizzard has completely fallen by the homosexual menace and needs to fade away.
The upper level people were replaced and those retards replaced the lower level people. End result is the entire company is poisoned and decrepit. You basically need to replace everyone and bring in fresh blood and if that's never done WoW has no future
Samwise apparently left blizzard a few days ago.
https://www.wowhead.com/news/samwise-didier-announces-retirement-from-blizzard-entertainment-after-32-years-336069
yeah, saw that. I was wondering why he still stuck around. I always considered his work as the aesthetic foundation of warcraft and blizz games generally. It felt strange that he stuck around as long as he did, but when I saw that message it really struck me as profound. I've thought that blizz has been dead for some time, but now it truly feels like it 🙁
Nixxiom is a viking larper loser who comments on alt right youtube channels about cringe shit. he's an alt right larping racist that is als oa virgin and an incel. Also he's a balding loser
Metzen saved WoW
The world heart trilogy is the biggest thing in gaming, like for ever
The Woman Within looks even more soulless and low-effort than Dragonshite.
There, I said it.
there are no rules against celebs because celebs are Ganker culture
now kys and go back
Name one single thing that the Blizzard dev team does differently internally that's actually anything positive. You can't
They are still the same idiots making shallow mechanics, writing for toddlers and getting hard carried by the art team.
Convince me not to resub to WoW after a 7 year hiatus
There's nothing new and everything is just worse
Make sure to buy the legendary edition
'>saved'
That shit isn't even released yet, how can that retard know if it will 'save' the game
Fuck these retarded YouTubers for creating shitty clickbait for the sake of views
I truly do not understand why more people aren't talking about how Blizzard didn't address ANYTHING regarding endgame. There's going to be ZERO changes to M+. There's going to be ZERO changes to raiding. There's going to be ZERO changes to PvP(aside from gearing).
The whole reason why the vast majority of people end up quitting is always because of the endgame. The War Within is going to be the exact same as BfA, Shadowlands, and Dragonflight, in that regard.
You’re retarded. They literally said as we get closer to the expansion launch they’ll talk about changes to endgame. There’s literally an interview where they talk about wanting to make M+ more dungeon focused and less affix focused. This is what I mean
you’re getting angry over things that aren’t true in order to validate being mad at Blizzard and WoW. You don’t actually have any idea what hat you’re talking about, you just want to be mad because you feel a personal injury from Blizzard and WoW.
>They literally said as we get closer to the expansion launch they’ll talk about changes to endgame
If that's true, then that's good. I didn't hear them say that during Blizzcon though, but maybe I just missed it. When did they say it?
There are a ton of post blizzcon interviews. They always do more in depth interviews after the major announcements. Go to wowhead and find the recaps if you want.
People have such a toxic relationship with Blizzard and WoW that even if they did “fix” WoW and it was legitimately good again, nobody would accept it or acknowledge it. Blizzard has damaged their own reputation too much and ex-WoW players are overly emotional about a fucking video game.
How do people still give this company the benefit of the doubt? Seriously?
WoW is a game made by troons, for gamers.
FFXIV is a game made by gamers, for troons.
I know which one I'll play.
Neither?
>WoW is a game made by troons, for gamers.
>for gamers
uh huh...
Its like a choice between sitting down on a chair with spiky glass shards or on a chair with cocks
exterminate MMO troons
the youtube grifters are going into overdrive
They do that every time.
The difference now is that they can point the finger to the next expansion.
"The War Within is looking bad? UHH... MIDNIGHT LOOKS STELLAR AND IS GOING TO SAVE WOW. THE B TEAM WAS WORKING ON WAR WITHIN SO THE A TEAM COULD FOCUS ENTIRELY ON MIDNIGHT"
>get views riding the hype wave
>switch to dooming the second viewership starts to drop
>get views from the doomer audience who thrives on negativity
it's the circle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiife
This paradigm has infected all MMOs now, it feels like.
Its infected fucking everything. WoW has had it particularly bad lately because viewership on the regular content videos for it have been in the pits for a while now and all the content creators for it are drying up because of it.
I quit wow a long time ago, the gear treadmill was getting stale and the story went to shit a long, long time ago.
Leveling up and meeting people was the best part of the game for, now it's gone, and I'm not fucking playing the "Classic" versions again, I played in fucking Vanilla. Well that, and, they released Classic when I already gave up on the game.
A shame really, Warcraft 3 is one of my favorite games.
my queen
Her only regret?
Boneitis.
I can't believe it d00d, blizzard finally listened AND the Tolkien of WoW storytelling, our god Chris Metzen is back.
WoW IS BACK BABY!!!
Wow is so fucking saved, it's like double saved. Worldsoul subs are gonna make wotlk numbers look like trash bois.
Asmongold? What are you doing here?
>Cataclysm will fix it
>Fuck Pandas
>WoD will fix it
>Legion will fix it
>BfA beta sucks but surely they will fix it live
>Classic will fix it
>Fuck Jay-lor
>Furries will fix it
“Mission failed, we’ll get em next time” the series.
>cata was good until the last patch
>mop is one of the best expansions
>WoD was awful
>legion sucked until the final patch
>BfA was awful
>shadowlands was beyond awful
Blizzard then gets gutted and the WoW team reformed under new management. You are now here complaining about new management for a game you haven’t played in years.
>this time this new team will do everything we wanted the old team to do
Will you ever understand that your state of optimism is imposed upon you by a corporation to eternally milk money from you?
I don’t have a “state of optimism”. If I find the game fun I play it and when it stops being fun I don’t. I don’t have an emotional attachment to things I didn’t make and have no control over. It doesn’t matter what WoW or Blizz do, you have an emotional need to be mad about it because you feel personal injury for some reason. This game is impossible to actually talk about because it’s either retards like you or retards that refuse to acknowledge the negative things about the game. There’s no nuance to WoW discussion because of mentally ill regards like yourself.
You are buying in on the assumption of good. If that is not optimism I do not know what is.
I liked Cata, but the overwhelming majority of the player base(the mm part) hated it. I can’t remember how many parties would wipe and rage quit; refusing to learn basic survival mechanics old players had to use to level in vanilla. Didn’t matter if it was randoms from the dungeon finder or an organized group. People wanted loot piñatas.
I tolerated Pandaria, it had the best combat the series ever had but it was here more than any other expansion that Blizzard learned that time gaiting “just works”.
I didn’t come into WoD until after Tanaan was added. Most of the prunes didn’t hurt my normal 3 too bad. I liked a lot of the lock changes but miss MoP version KJ’s dicky. It was clear there was supposed to be way more going on in game, they just gave up on it.
Legion fucked two of my main trio into the ground, and then bodied the DH on the first patch with a nerf machete. I liked the artifact stories but those would be better served in a WC4 or some other non-mmo game. At least they weren’t handed to Golden to piss away in a novel.
I quit in BfA. Got one character close to cap and just walked away. I would peak in looking for the patch that “fixed” it but it never came. I did like going back to classic, but old drama from a prior guild came in early and removed the rose tint pretty quick.
When Sylvanas solo’d Fordragon in the next announcement, I knew I was finished. The remnant of the sunk cost is why I occasionally click on these threads, but I mainly just come to shit on true believers like yourself. A recovered alcoholic is 20x harsher on other addicts.
>true believer
Lmfao, I’m not a true believer you pompous prick. DF is the first expansion since WotLK that I haven’t actually quit. Just because the game isn’t perfect or even that great still doesn’t mean I can’t have fun with it. I don’t know if WW will be good or bad but I will play it and if I don’t have fun I will quit again like I do every WoW expansion when it stops being fun. You homosexuals get so mad that someone can both acknowledge the game is majorly flawed but still have fun with it. You people have no concept of nuance.
Sure you aren’t. Enjoy your dress up game for your dolly.
>chris metzen will fix it
can't wait for more green jesus.
People that don't play for the two first months of an xpac release don't know how to have a good time
where'd her hips go
Lost in transition.
>conventionally beautiful high elf woman with human husband and child
>loses her hips, gains a dyke cut and goes nutter
sasuga blizzard
Wide hips on body type 2 having characters are for the male gaze which makes them deeply transphobic and misogynistic as well.
this looks like fanart
Blizzard started relegating their promo materials to youtubers and deviant art artists so no surprise here
I'm Adult Adultman. I work 90 hours a week down at the business factory to support my 3 wifes and 18 children. I have 20 sec every full moon to play, so it's great that the game is raidlog central.
>blizz talks extensively about adding non raid focused endgame progression in WW
>still gets mad about it anyway
You don’t want the game to get fixed you want to be mad.
This. I also am happy I can just buy wow tokens to get run through all the content so I can optimize my use of my time. Incel NEETS are the only ones mad about the current state of WoW.
>play WoW from 2008 to 2013
>quit WoW for XIV from 2013 to 2023
>XIV sucks, WoW sucks and they're releasing a meme server instead of new classic servers
well shit alright then guess i'll play good games instead
>classic fresh
Why, so you can pretend like everyone won’t race to max level to do brain dead content again like the first time? Imagine actually being mad that Blizz is trying to do something interesting with the classic formula instead of milking subs by re-releasing Classic fresh servers over and over again. Imagine actually getting mad because they are, for ONCE, not taking the easy path. None of you fucks actually want the game to be good. You just want to transport back to an easier time for yourselves. If you actually want the classic wow experience you could play HC, which is as close to an authentic 2004 experience as you can get still but you won’t do it because it’s not about the game. It’s about your own emotional immaturity.
i dont care what other people do i just feel like going through comfy classic zones for a nostalgia trip and slowly level and clear stuff. capping at lvl 25 and putting retail abilities in just doesnt appeal to me. the only good thing about it is that theres no PTR
You can literally do that whenever you want.
>it’s capped at 25 with retail abilities
No, it’s level banded in phase 1 to level 25 and you have to go out of your way exploring the world to find the new abilities.
WoW doesn't need saving
Just stop making shit empty zones with nothing to do or at least give players a legendary to work towards in the outside world but I know reddit will cry their diapers off if they did that again, otherwise it's fine
>Get full tier, both N and HC
>Not autistic enough for Mythic
>Nothing else to do besides Tmog and mount farm, which is dumb as shit now because it’s going to be account wide next year so why bother till then.
Gee I wonder why people don’t slop raids for months and quit after gearing.
compared to legion, df has fuck all content. even shadowlands was better than this
dragonflight didn't do much other than take shadowlands and remove the homework
but they didn't actually add in anything. you just got less and nothing in return.
like. a. fucking. fiddle.
Nixxiom facts
>girlfriend left him because she found him to be a sexually repulsive fatso
>unironically thinks he's a lolpagan viking despite being an amerimutt
>thinks he's some sort of fitness expert whilst still being a obese lardass
>any hint of criticism sends him in to a tard rage
>any sort of advice engages him since he's a know-it-all sperg
>his last few relationships involved him being a literal c,uckold
left him because she found him to be a sexually repulsive fatso
source?
did wow add any new battlegrounds or arenas in dragonflight
Arenas yes battlegrounds no. They are finally adding a new BG next expansion with the rated BG queue but they need to add like five tbh
>new expansion comes out
>coolest bestest theme
>level for five hours
>do M+, a failed e-sport people fucking hate
>do the raid, a failed e-sport people fucking hate
>do arena, a failed e-sport people fucking hate
>be depressed because I just spent my day doing failed e-sports
now that all the end game content, which is all failed e-sports is complete ill finish the day letting everyone at gamestop know that WoW is back
Id unironically love to play 3v3 wow arena but right now its so dead that its impossible to play
The only people that play it are either 20 year r1 glad players that have their own clique that you will never be able to join, boosters (same people actually) and ultimate sub 60 IQ retards that will never go beyond 2k rating,
And this is even if you manage to find somebody. I had entire last season subbed and barely got 200 games in 3s. Througheout entire season. Its not bad, its just dead. Nobody plays it. They should just throw the towel and make pvp free to play. Troons can pay.
wow died
why?
I stopped following the story after Legion, has the story improved at least a little bit? Is there any writer that is promising or is the story gonna be mid all the way through?
im not gonna be mad about a fucking mmorpg giving players who are willing to play more player power.
You shouldn't, but when the devs balance the game around the top end of that power spectrum (which even the most autistic people in the world spending $100k+ real world money to achieve) STILL can't reach then maybe it's time to be a bit worried.
>balance the game around the top end of that power spectrum
are you saying raids were unclearable unless you spent tens of hours grinding outside the raid every week?
I think the world first people would have been incredibly happy if it was just ten hours a week. 5 times that if not more, and they were still walled in the raids because they couldn't do enough damage.
i'm not sure we should balance according to what world first raiders are doing. surely the raids were clearable in a reasonable timeframe for normal players?
The devs nerf the raids by a lot after a few months so normal players have a chance to clear them. Very few people clear before the nerfs, these days it's just 50 or so guilds I think? The hall of fame (100 first raid clears on mythic) for the last few raids took AGES to fill up.
But yeah the devs balance around world firsters and even watch the streams of their attempts so they can balance on the fly. They hotfix bosses between pulls to increase health or introduce new mechanics to some trash mobs to curb "unintended" strategies.
This hasn’t been true in Dragonflight thus far. The final raid of Shadowlands they admitted to trying to “beat” the world first guilds at the expense of the rest of the playerbase and have apologized. So far, Dragonflight raid content has been pretty chill but we have no idea if that’s gonna get fucked up with the new raid on Tuesday or not yet.
I'll be honest and admit I haven't kept up with the races but wasn't Razageth pretty shit for WFR?
If they wanted to do mythic raiding they did, and those hour estimates are on the lower end.
No, but a lot of people want to at least try the hardest difficulty because that's where the devs put in the most effort. The lower difficulties' bosses feel very lackluster because they don't have their full moveset.
Raz was shit because of the fight length on all difficulties. Ten minute fights are just a slog to progress on. It wasn’t like Sepulcher though where Blizz went out of their way to make Halondrus unkillable to spite RWF
No, they were not. If you were not grinding side content you were not clearing shit.
Raids were literally unclearable if you weren’t doing the side grinds. It wasn’t something dedicated players could do to just win more it was something you had to do in order to clear the content. Outside of mythic raiding enchants, flasks, and food are really just “you should have this” but you can clear without them. In prior expansions if you weren’t dedicating 20+ hours a week to WoW you weren’t going to be raiding or even doing M+.
Is he even a Swede or Dane? He larps as a viking but he looks like the average Anglo with a pube beard.
Blizz needs to learn to add housing that has demolition like shitty XIV does. Literally no reason to be subbed to shitty ass 14 besides that.
This 1000 times. The second they add true housing there will be no reason to play the hallway simulator that is 14.
wow is...... LE SAVED??????????
This time it's different though, Blizzard is listening.
The influencers who got flown out to and got free tickets for Blizzcon told me so.
Dragonflight already did that, this will just up their numbers.
doesnt wow have several difficulties? is the expectation that all players clear the highest raid difficulty?
I'll believe it when I fucking see it. The people developing the game are mostly the same people as the previous few expansions. Dragonflight was better than Shadowlands, but that is not a high bar to meet.
The good old days are never coming back, for the simple reason of the Blizzard that made it is long gone and the world has moved on.
The entire team was gutted with only a few notable names remaining.
>le evil blizzard man forcing me grind for hour after hour so i can do 0.5% more dps
please for the love of god control yourself godamn.
Microsoft won. Metzen won. Wow won.
It's over. Samwise is gone. There is no saving WoW.
Didn't the grinds of the past expansions have diminishing returns to try and dissuade people from throwing hours after minute performance gains?
It's weird how there's not this expectation of "you're being carried for having lower ilvl" in a game like FFXIV, maybe it's because of the expectation of min ilvl being beatable for content. If WoW devs had a way to showcase that the content is beatable at a specific ilvl, then people would feel less inclined to autistically grind to not feel like they're being a burden to others or force others to do the same.
Maybe that’s because in 14 you don’t have a way to tell someone is being bad without exposing yourself to a potential ban.
No, there's is. People run act all the time and will judge you for being a shitter. Just unlike wow they wont tell you the reason you're being kicked, they'll just remove you to avoid the tos.
>No, there's is. People run act all the time and will judge you for being a shitter.
I just said "for having a lower ilvl", not for being bad.
In a sense, they did the opposite and increased rewards week over week so the "exp bar" filled up faster depending on your grind level.
But since there were major breakpoints for dps and nothing stopping you from grinding it out you could just spend 10 hours farming the same dungeon for a solid 20% upgrade at the end of it which was REQUIRED to hit the dps threshold needed to kill certain raid bosses.
Yes, but the raids were tuned around those performance gains so everyone just kept grinding through the diminishing returns to be able to do the raids. Getting hard walled in a raid because “aw shit we’ve gotta grind this side content for two more weeks for the power we need” didn’t work. We all just pushed through it and cleared the content anyway. You can’t stop gamers from being degenerate and the more you try the more degenerate they become to overcome your limitations.
human psychology just doesnt work like that. if there is a performance gain available and you aren't take it, then you are a piece of shit, no matter how many hours of grinding are required.
This. Because not doing it means you are expecting the rest of your team to carry you through it. You are making more work for others and since WoW is a team game you are being a bad player by not doing it.
It's one of those cases where people need to be protected from their own degenerate behavior. Blizzard has struggled with this dynamic for years. If there is any amount of player power people can grind for, the conversation pretty much goes like this:
>fuck you blizzard you are FORCING me to grind for this
>no we are not, just don't do it
>yes you are forcing me
>no we are not
>yes you are
and so on.
what's always annoyed me is that people will bitch about grinds for power, but then turn around and fuck up their rotations and boss mechanics, which means a lot more than small dps gains from grinds.
Except blizzard tuned content around you having this power so if you didn’t grind like a degen you were forced to wait weeks to kill a boss while you waited for the timegated progress. It was awful game design.
>implying some corruptions in BFA didn’t do more DPS by themselves than most classes did stock
Lmfao
You're treating it is a binary situation, of either no grind at all or 100 hours degen grinds. Couldn't you do SOME grinding and get 95% of the way there, instead of doing degen grinding to get to 100%?
No, because 95% of the way doesn’t kill the boss. It’s literally hard math. Getting close doesn’t kill the boss.
You keep arguing that these degen grinds needing tens of hours weekly to do were absolutely mandatory to kill raid bosses, and I am not buying it.
>didn’t play the game
>multiple people tell you how it was
>NO I DONT WANT TO BELIEVE YOU
Uh okay? I don’t know what I’m supposed to tell you if you literally refuse to believe reality.
I say I am not buying it, because we just talked about earlier in the thread how it's just as much a psychology thing of players demanding each other grind.
I don’t care if you buy it. The content was literally tuned around you doing it. You’re not even making an argument you’re literally just refusing to believe reality told to you by people that actually played it.
I believe the content was tuned around the players doing SOME grinding. How much grinding was "absolutely mandatory" to clear Heroic? To clear Mythic? And in how many weeks? What was the minimum required amount of grinding and what was the expectation of the average player on how fast he should be clearing the raids?
You were not clearing Nyalotha on Heroic without grinding out your corruptions and horrific visions. The final boss was literally unkillable without your mandatory legendary cloak complete with its own weekly mandatory grind. If you didn’t level it up high enough you could not even fight the final boss lol. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Put some hour numbers to the things you mention. And keep in mind the standard is "absolutely necessary" and not nice to have.
When 8.3 launched corruptions were randomly applied to gear drops so your farm could technically be infinite to get them. Visions required you to spend a few hours every week. Eventually they introduced a currency and vendor for corruptions but they rotated their stock weekly so players often found themselves in a position where they had to wait multiple weeks to buy their corruptions and could not progress their characters in M+ or raid until they got them. Some corruptions did up to 50% of your total damage. I don’t know why you are trying to argue about a game you didn’t even fucking play with people that did play it.
WOW IS B-ACK BABY
B-ACK! indeed.
Nixxiom is like Disney.
Sure he's good at making entertaining videos (like Disney made(not makes) good movies)
But nigga needs to stop sucking up to Nu-Blizz and just stick to making entertaining videos (like Disney needs to stay out of politics and stick to making good movies)
Unless they remove that stupid social contract i won't even consider it
What's wrong with it?
Metzen is very good at generating hype but the trailer they showed containing the actual ingame content looked like absolute shit. It's just more of the same, more instanced content and grinds in the same old shitty game engine. What they should have done is to phase this stinker out and revamp everything to modern standards, Riot is probably gonna shit all over them with their MMO if they don't.
>the new world content progression is seamless non-instanced content that scales 1-5 players
Stop talking out of your ass.
How are delves not instance you fucking brainlet.
>literally dynamic open world content
I don’t know what to tell you. They literally said it’s not instanced because of the air locking tech they developed in Dragonflight. Like you’re just uninformed and wrong i don’t know what else to tell you.
It's just instanced content without the loading screens.
Then it’s not instanced.
Yes it is, you're seamlessly transitioning between instances. If it wasn't instance you'd be able to see everyone at all times.
Then the entire open world is instanced brainlet.
>what is phasing
>what is sharding
Phasing is a term for phasing into a different instance and sharding is just another word for instance.
You're confusing the term instance with dungeon or raid, anything can run in separate instances. When you phase into a different shard you're entering another instance of the area you're in.
They prob just started development on WoW 2 or WoW Remastered, but it won't be in a presentable state for 5-6 years, hence them announcing 3 expansions that wrap up the existing narrative.
>announces 3 expansions
FF11 did the same thing when square realized it was dead
Yep, except blizzard decided to charge even more for that
And even more for the goodboi tendies 3 day early access
Reminder that the only reason the grinds turned degenerate was because EN was cleared too fast and people thought blizzard had lost their touch by making raids clearable in under a week.
Doesn't matter that 99.9% of the playerbase never cleared it that fast, the fact that SOMEONE could do it was upsetting to people.
All of those people also said “remember when raids used to be HARD like MOLTEN CORE”. Then they quit when Classic launched and cleared every raid in the first four hours while pretending that it was actually hard.
>you can achieve x player power by grinding for y hours every week
>okay this is reasonable, it's only a couple of hours
>you can achieve x +0 ,5 player power by grinding several more hours each week
>wtf blizzard you are forcing me to grind now
Is this essentially how it works?
Yes, but also
>you need x + 2,5 player power to clear the raids
No it was more like
>grind for x% power every week
>boss requires you to wait two weeks to kill it this way
>or you can grind the diminishing returns to kill it now
And you are trying to excuse that awful game design.
Yeah no
The only boss you could maybe argue this was a case for was Guarm and that got nerfed. Plus you arent a world first raider anyway, so youre just coping
The grift cycle is so funny to watch.
4 months after this expac releases there will be a nonstop outpouring of red arrow basedjack tumbnails saying the game is terrible and wow is dead.
I've always wanted to catalogue this phenomenon in a collage but im too lazy
whatever gets views man
so is there anything to do at max level outside autistically spamming M+ or battlegrounds yet?
No
Mog farm and mount collecting, Which is moronic in practice with everything becoming account bound next year so why even do it and waste hours of not getting the cosmetics you want when you can simply waltz in next year and collect everything
>everything becoming account bound
wasn't this already the case? or was it just armor types?
Buy an ad you cheap fuck
who is this fruity looking soiboy and why should I care about his opinion?
Season of discovery should have been their main event, it's way more interesting than anything else they've revealed. They seem to be on the right track with these classic fun-server things.
If the UI was better a lot of weakauras would be obsolete
Not knowing how many stacks of a thing a boss has because they make it impossible to find them quickly is the big issue on a lot of bosses