There will never be a better plot twist in a rpg than this.

There will never be a better plot twist in a rpg than this.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Should have ended at the mines after the wham reveal. Would have been perfect. They couldn’t follow such a sizemic reveal

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Remaster when?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bros....

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Remaster when?

        https://i.imgur.com/3PShoYJ.jpg

        There will never be a better plot twist in a rpg than this.

        Guy's gynophobia had a pretty horrifying origin, though Abyss was full of pretty messed up things in the first place, far more than you'd expect from a Tales game.

        Amazing that people can still talk about this 20 year old game and actually discuss the cast outside of the lewd e-boi.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's a testament to the game's writing which is far more than I can say for most games for the past decade or so.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Anise being the absolute worst character in the game probably helps with that as well.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Who actually likes her other than dickyfags?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I haven't yet to see a dickyfag liking Anise.

              Yeah... That fucking unlikeable she is, on a game with fucking Jade being the most unlikeable character is a feat

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >on a game with fucking Jade being the most unlikeable character is a feat
                Jade's great, easily the best character by the end. Yeah he's an asshole at the start, but pretty much every character is bar Guy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            She is not and I'm tired of you retards doing this shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He's literally me.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Jade looks better with his glasses. I couldn't really see on the 3DS screen, but his model still has his glasses in the final boss fight despite him crushing them, right?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I believe so.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why does everyone in this game wear gloves? Pretty sure it's the same artist as Symphonia so it's not like they've always had a glove fetish or something. It's just this one game.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Arietta, Ion, and several others don't wear gloves.
            It's whatever Fujishima (and to a lesser extent Okumura and other artists working on the same game as him) rolls with.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Seeing how it's the only game they have never ported or remastered until now makes me think it's a Persona 3 situation where they simply put lost the source code and assets for it, so the only solution is a remake and they are not going to do that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They ported it to 3DS

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, Abyss came out for the 3DS.
        If we're talking games never ported, there's the two Xillias, Tempest and Legendia if we're not counting sidegames. Those four are stuck on their original consoles

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He's literally me.

      I believe so.

      Sex with Tear and Natalia.

      Play Tales of Phantasia.

      Sex with Mint.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It was re-released on the 3DS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically very soon. Japan consistently votes Abyss as its favorite Tales game. They'll probably do a proper remake instead of a touch up like Symphonia and Vesperia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And the result will be Symphonia remaster tier.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think they're going to trust Bamco Romania with any more remasters after Symphonia Remaster.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Would be cool.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm pretty sure I played this game in the past but I don't remember the little black haired girl at all. All the other characters are familiar but not her. Strange.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You probably remember a big stuffed doll in battle because she literally hangs onto it to control it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That Anise is way too tall.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        True.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Anise is 152cm

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Some retcon released afterwards. If you play the actual game her height is depicted as much less than that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nah its pretty accurate

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Ufotable trash official art

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Its official art. They make her shorter than it should be in the game for gameplay reasons (she had to ride her doll after all)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, I know it's official art.
                I just hate Ufotable's work for the series.
                Give me back Production IG.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >They make her shorter than it should be
                More like 'the game depicts her how she should be and what her proportions look like in all the concept art but some anti-e-boicon artists later retcon her to be taller'.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    REPLICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >meaning of birth starts playing

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >You were ze clone

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it was a nice one, but lmao at implying this is the best plot twist in an rpg when KOTOR exists.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >kotor
      >plot twist
      Pick one. It was obvious and lame as fuck.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It was only obvious if you are a zoom zoom and played it in the age of internet and social media, when it was already spoiled for you.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No. I played it as a kid and figured it out when MC has amnesia and weird dreams and is somehow the best Jedi master ever anyway.
          >Oh hey the evil lord Revan disappeared. Wonder where he is?
          He's right there, stupid.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah blah blah blah, I read only like the first 3 or 4 words, spare me of this horseshit. Sure, you were an exceptionally intellingent person with at least 300+
            billion IQs who saw the twist from a mile away coming because it was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO obvious form random foreshadowing that could literally only mean that, and everyone else is stupid, the writers most, and it was by now means a twist because you saw it coming.

            Fuck off. What a moron.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              starwars redditor btfo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Tales writing fall so hard after the PS2? Symphonia, Zestria, and Abyss were fun to play and had a story that kept me interested. Did the writer quit after that?
    I'm playing through Graces now, and I'm honestly debating if I should be skipping cutscenes due to how awful the story is.
    Same with Tales of Hearts, just a mediocre story and characters.
    Besaria was probably closer to the PS2 games in terms of characters at least.
    Is the writing in Xillia 1&2 good? I'm planning on playing that next after Graces.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I will always love Graces for its combat and the character interactions in skits and victory poses, but good god the story itself is fucking awful.

      Xillia has some dumb shit and X2 should've just given Ludger an actual voice and interactions, but I did not hate the story. X2 does go a tad hard on the suffering.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >X2 should've just given Ludger an actual voice
        He does, but only on NG+

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Even then it's only during the choice sections, where he only says exactly the choice you just selected. But he's not a blank slate MC, he clearly has a personality, so he should have had real lines during events and everything. It's the most awkward during the victory scenes where he just grunts instead of actually talking.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Symphonia's and Abyss's writers didn't work on any other Tales games after those.
      However, Arc Rise Fantasia was.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >However, Arc Rise Fantasia was
        They wrote that garbage game?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I honestly don't think it's that bad. Just a lot of miscommunication from Weiss and withholding information regarding other characters, which is a recurring issue in Abyss anyway.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Look him up
        >This guy is apparently now just pretty much just writing exclusively for the Fate/Stay series
        That's too bad.
        He did a "Scenario draft" script for Scarlet Nexus, which makes sense, the world in Scarlet Nexus was awesome, they just dropped the ball when it came to fleshing it out.
        It's too bad he isn't in charge of anymore RPGs, his world building is pretty good.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Xillia is terrible.
      Xillia 2 is bordering on suffering porn with Ludger as the main target. There are some good things happening to him yeah, but it feels like the world is just out to get him.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And then that point where after EVERYTHING...(nah, imma keep my bro alive) and gives you the best fight in the game.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Xillia is great and so is Xillia 2.
        Maybe they just fucked up the localization, IDK.
        I played it in moon runes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Same with Tales of Hearts, just a mediocre story and characters.
      That's because the VITA remake butchered the original script.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Really? They changed the script as well?
        Such a bizarre remake.
        They remake it on a system that's barely a generation newer.
        Completely different battle system.
        And now you're telling me a completely different script.
        Why didn't they just make an original game?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's severely different in mood in some scenes and some of the translations don't even match up.
          Shing's name becoming Kor is probably one of the biggest offenders.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The Kor part is awful, but I appreciate they make an english pun off "e-boi", they at least knew if someone had a vita they knew some key terms.

            Which version should I play? PS2 or 3DS?

            3DS arte shortcut sort of sucks, but if you can get past that it's fine.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Why didn't they just make an original game?
          The goal of the two VITA remakes was to lead into the eventual Tempest remake. Except they didn't do that, so all the Triverse setup in Innocence R and Hearts R was completely pointless.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Why didn't they just make an original game?
          because someone in charge thought they could do it better. basically, very few people want to faithfully remake something and those are usually already the fans of said originals.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Are those the same retards who decided to make realistic ToH on DS for westerners before they decided to make Japan only game which resulted in 2 versions of game for japanese players?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              They probably wanted to cash in on the SC audience............ even though the ugly 3D scenes were only for the in-game movies and nothing else.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                wait, the ugly 3d just replaces anime cutscenes but everything else is still same anime look? no wonder it sold like ass in japan.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I can't speak for the translation, but at least in regards to the Japanese versions, R isn't -that- much of a departure from DS. Chalcedony's scenes are all different since he becomes a party member, and overall he's less hostile towards the party in the remake. Obviously all of the Galad stuff is new, though in some cases he simply steals other characters' DS dialogue. For some reason they removed multiple scenes of Beryl crushing on Shing, including her near-confession on the night before the final battle at Rapunzel. There are a bunch of minor changes to scenes that would be too tedious to list out, but I don't think any of them are significant enough to the point where someone would enjoy one version's story but not the other.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I have played a lot of Tales games and Beryl Benito is still the cutest girl I have seen in any of these games. She was ridiculously fucking cute.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it caught terminal anime sickness just after vesperia

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bullshit, from day 1 the Tales series' primary appeal outside of its combat is that it's like experiencing a seasonal anime in game form, which is why Abyss translated so easily into an anime.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm playing through Graces now, and I'm honestly debating if I should be skipping cutscenes due to how awful the story is.
      If you're not enjoying the story why play a Tales game at all?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The combat?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Blame Hideo Baba.
      He took lead after Tales of Vesperia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Blame Hideo Baba.
        >He took lead after Tales of Vesperia.

        and ran Zesteria into the ground because he wanted to fuck the VA of Rose

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And almost killed the series because he wanted to get his dick wet.
          FUCK YOU, BABA

          I wish I still had that pic with all the bullshit surrounding Baba and Rose's VA, but I lost it after my HD failed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Baba gets hired by Delight Works to do the Sakura Wars gacha
            >It bombs hard
            I hope he never finds work again

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Delightworks also loat the right to work on Fate/Grand Order. AKA the infinite money game gacha. LOL

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And almost killed the series because he wanted to get his dick wet.
        FUCK YOU, BABA

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          God i wish i was Baba

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm playing through Graces now, and I'm honestly debating if I should be skipping cutscenes due to how awful the story is.
      what's wrong Asbel? tired of the game shitting on you? sorry this isn't your usual power fantasy story
      I'm kidding of course Graces story is rough, but i do love just how hard the universe shits on MC for like the first third of the game.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Miyajima wrote Symphonia 2 and then nothing else for Tales until Rays, where he's been fellating Symphonia characters.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone knows Graces' story and characters are terrible, this has never been in dispute. Everyone who defends it defends the combat and just the combat.
      Still wish they released a PC version because it's the only post-HD Tales game that is still trapped on old consoles.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Still wish they released a PC version because it's the only post-HD Tales game that is still trapped on old consoles.
        the two Xillias are also only on PS3 still

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ah fuck you're right. For some reason my brain told me they're on steam and I don't know why.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Graces' characters are terrible
        I liked that they took shots at each other almost constantly in the skits, hell in the story too. It made things fun.
        "Let's go out the butt, Cheria. It's the only way."

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I will defend the character interactions during non-story skits and the victory scenes.
        Asbel's silly fixation with synchronized posing, Malik teaching Sophie stupid things, Pascal being Pascal, Hubert trying to be the straight man and Cheria being team mom is fun. I like that part of Graces.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Considering skipping RICHARD!!! ASBEL!!! Kino
      Fucking disgusting, I've never seen such poor taste.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Tales of Phantasia is praised due to subverting the "Ancient evil awakens" plot that all other RPGs were doing back in the day.
        >Graces does an unironic "An ancient evil awakens" plot played completely straight.
        I find it funny.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The very next game after Phantasia is an ancient evil awakens too. A lot of Tales games are.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I couldn’t stand Asbel. Imagine following up motherfucking Yuri Lowell with that failure Asbel.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What twist specifically? It has been like 20 years now but I don't exactly recall Abyss's plot being unseeable

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The MC is a clone. You think you're playing as an amnesiac Luke fon Fabre, but the actual Luke is Asch.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is barely a twist. They lean really hard into the "replica" thing like 10% into the game, Asch is introduced shortly before or after. I love Abyss but calling this a twist is a bit generous, it's more of a plot premise.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Van was deceiving Luke all along
          >Luke destroys an entire town because of this and acts like a kid who has done nothing wrong and the entire party loses faith in him and abandons him
          >he also learns that he's a fucking clone and the person he trusted most (Van) doesn't give a shit about him

          not only it's a twist, it's also good character development

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Shame he becomes a giant doormat for the rest of the game. Rather than be his own character it feels like he becomes a vessel for the bog standard "ideal JRPG hero" trope. Having 0 agency, and being told what to do for the entire game.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Guy reveals why he's afraid of girls
    >The girls in the party still tease him
    Fucking. bitches.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Guy's gynophobia had a pretty horrifying origin, though Abyss was full of pretty messed up things in the first place, far more than you'd expect from a Tales game.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's the darkest game in the series outside of Xillia 2 which as the post after yours said, borders on being suffering porn.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, Natalia doesn't really do that. And Tear eases up on that almost immediately.

      Guy's gynophobia had a pretty horrifying origin, though Abyss was full of pretty messed up things in the first place, far more than you'd expect from a Tales game.

      I'm a lorefag and Abyss's sheer amount of it with all the technical jargon and world-building makes me diamonds. None of the other Tales games ever had that level of detail to their worlds.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Mein neger. TotA uses its worldbuilding to justify rpg mechanics such as the party limit and how aoe spells don't hurt allies.
        The art/concept book elaborates on stuff like the planetary structure and even the little known fact that an Auldrant year is 765 (namco!) earth days. So that means Anise is totally legal.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >spoiler
          Yeah but the rate at which they age is adjusted so that she is effectively the same as her equivalent in our world. People in that world live longer but it's really no different from a 100 year old elf being the same as a 16 year old human.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >an Auldrant year is 765 (namco!) earth days
          Fuck this shit, seriously. Abyss' worldbuilding is awesome, but shoehorning goroawase into it for the sake of a joke just ruins it. Thankfully, it's not a plot point, so it can be safely ignored.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They apologized to him once they learned why he was afraid of girls at least

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The quality difference between Abyss and Vesperia story/cast is fucking baffling. Did they find some janitor to write Vespy's story?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Symphonia's and Abyss's writers didn't work on any other Tales games after those.
      However, Arc Rise Fantasia was.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >cast
      There's nothing wrong with Vesperia's cast, though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Yuri is good
        >Judith is okay but only with people bouncing off her overall placid demeanor
        >Rita is mostly a bitch
        >Karol gets character development during the second half after being mostly a cowardly whiny twat
        >Raven is hit or miss, Zelos did his gimmick better
        >Estelle
        >Flynn
        >Repede
        >Patty nanoja

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This, Vesperia actually has one of the weaker casts of any Tales game. Yuri isn't even really anything special either, he's likable but he doesn't really develop at all.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Rita is fucking terrible. She's by far one of the most obnoxious female characters in the entire cast
        Estelle was so infuriatingly dumb i wanted to punch her by the end
        Judy becomes a nothingburger character once she's out of her introductory dungeon
        Flynn is almost as dogshit as Leon as far as rival figures go.

        Karol is literally the only decent character in the party alongside Yuri. Raven could be decent too but there's too little of his true self under the layers of "haha old 35 years old man" jokes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Aw shit, is Vesperia not good? I was looking to try that one after I finish Phantasia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's slow build: the game. Especially the gameplay thanks to the ability system being locked to learning them from weapons.
        Story is a lot of meandering and act 3 drags on and on.
        Characters are hit and miss and don't much depth other than a select few.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Shame. I remember my older brother rented it years ago and it seemed very fun and cool from what I saw. From the what I saw it seems like a different flavor of everything I loved about Abyss, but he never got that deep into it either.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Vesperia is the definition of "it gets better 50 hours in"
        Quite honestly i would recommend Hearts R over it.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I swear I'm going to finish this game this year, I picked it back up after dropping it 6 years ago. I feel like if I'm going to finish any Tales game, it's probably this one because it's the one I got the furthest into before losing interest. God I fucking hate how unresponsive the characters feel during combat in these games.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Many players drop Luke for Guy because the latter's faster but with admittedly worse endlag to his movements.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Which version should I play? PS2 or 3DS?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      3DS has less maybe even no bugs, pretty much no crashes, and is a more complete package (all 6 characters have their 2nd MA and Nebilim has all of hers) at the cost of 3DS graphics limitations and the in-game font.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >(all 6 characters have their 2nd MA and Nebilim has all of hers
        I am 90% sure that the English PS2 release of Abyss has all those things too. I clearly remember playing Abyss co-op with a friend and everyone had a 2nd MA and Nebilim did use Fragmented End

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh, right. I was thinking about the JP version.
          Vesperia had all of that extra stuff the other way around.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Symphonia too. It got some additional stuff when it got ported to the PS2 but that port never got released in the west until Symphonia HD, or whatever it was called.
            It's not a strange mistake to make, rarely does the overseas release get more stuff than the JP version.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The PS3 version doesn't have everything?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The PS3 version of Symphonia has pretty much everything and more other than the GC version's 60fps. I guess nerfing the Earth Temple dragon's gald to rebuild that one town is a problem.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Symphonia on GCN is 60 fps but missing content
              >every other version is 30 fps capped with bonus content
              it's fucking garbage that there is NO definitive version of this game. They need to just full on remake it since they were too stupid to preserve the source code of the original.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      PS2. I think the game is just better on a big screen. Maybe if you emulate 3ds and put it on a television it's okay, but god damn if any game deserves a PC port it's this one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This isn't like DQ7 and DQ8, 3DS version is essentially just portable. Only notable difference is the 3DS loads faster which may not be a factor if you're emulating.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/3PShoYJ.jpg

      There will never be a better plot twist in a rpg than this.

      The HD texture for PS2 Abyss is great. With PCSX2 it’s super easy to use

      Heres a link to the textures
      https://www.mediafire.com/file_premium/ofwxk835br8l4hc/SLUS-21386_TotA_0.94_HOTFIX1.7z/file

      It's being done by fans. Here's the source
      https://x.com/LifeBottleProd

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          fuck, I beat this recently, don't wanna don't another 60 hours for the textures, oh well.
          looks fucking great though.
          man I wanted to set up the new version of the emulator but I already have everything in place with a gimmick for custom configs on the old one and their compressed index files aren't compatible with each other.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why has this game not gotten a single rerelease in over a decade?

      PS2. Battles are 60 FPS, they're 30 in the 3DS version. NTSC PS2 has all the same content too.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe it sold less than other Tales? I dont think Bamco would rerelease an underperforming game

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love Abyss but Graces F has the best combat in the series.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Luke should've kept his long hair instead of falling for a Japanese woman trope.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Tales
      >not wanting tropes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Tear "Mystearica Aura Fende" Grants
      >Japanese woman

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There will never be a better japanese opening song than this. Seriously, it didn't need to go this hard

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tales may have gone downhill, but most of the vocal OPs are good. To say nothing of the bangers from the older games.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Graces EN theme song is the same singer as the JP
        neat.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Same with Vesperia and I think Arise.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        jesus watching Symphonia's opening takes me back. It also hurts seeing it and knowing we'll never get a remake of the game, or even a decent port.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You've never played Baten Kaitos 2 then.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >that part where everyone's pretty much telling Luke to kill himself
    >the only one who stood up for him was the complete cunt of an asshole
    that part was really rough to play through for me for some reason

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I only ever played Symphonia and Abyss, should i bother with any of the others?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Vesperia is "ok". Story felt mediocre to me but at least a handful of the characters are likeable and the combat's serviceable enough.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Play Tales of Phantasia.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Those are hands down the best ones, so it depends on how much quality drop you're willing to tolerate.
      Vesperia has mediocre gameplay and a dull story,
      Graces has okay gameplay and a story that starts really really bad but improves to being mediocre.
      Xillia has decent gameplay but i got so sick of the dub i can't even rate the story (I tried to play it later on RPCS3 but my PC is too old and ran the game at like 4 fps)
      Berseria has gameplay that would be kind of fun if it weren't so fucking easy, and a pretty good story

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >mc is a clone with amnesia and cuts his hair to reflect character development upon realization

    I fuckin hate these japanese bland tropes and lazy writing

    also, your childhood jrpg is shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that's the best usage of the hair cut trope though. if you find out you're a clone, the last thing you want to do is keep imitating the original.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >There will never be a better plot twist in a rpg than this.
    >Game is a JRPG
    ?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The AoT of Tales

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    LUKE DID NOTHING WRONG, LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE IN THE PARTY WAS MORE TO BLAME FOR WHAT HAPPENED AT AKZERIUTH THAN HE WAS.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I wouldn't say Natalia was really at fault almost anything other than being naive.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Everyone else should've been babysitting Luke while he was being a dickhead instead of trying to do their jobs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Considering he's a literal 7 y.o? Honestly yes.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I liked this because the whole main casts are unlikable (outside Guy), at least until Luke started to change after Akzeriuth event.

    Also the final fight against Asch in Eldrant was great.
    >Meaning of Birth starts playing
    >win and see cutscenes
    >Eldrant's bgm changed to Crimson Pride

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >THIS ISN'T ABOUT LOGIC
      Yuri Lowenthal also just delivered

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >18 years passed and Abyss is still the most beloved Tales of game
    How does it do it?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Actually memorable characters (not all of them though)
      The sheer amount of detail into the world-building
      Luke's development and breakdown
      FOF
      One of the most complete games in the series that came before the DLC surge starting with Vesperia
      The writing
      Master Badtouch
      Jade
      YUKANA's singing
      Pikachu beating the shit out of you while beating the shit out of you with both MAs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Also best mascot

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Which is the most popular tales game? I know luke won a character poll but is abyss really the most popular?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's been topping Tales series polls for a long time.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, Abyss is the most popular.
        Also, Abyss is the only Tales of game that made it into the top 100 greatest video games of all time in Japan.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm pretty sure Symphonia is far more popular, as it's the one people consistently talk about and know about while only this place and a few JP boards talk about Abyss as much. Abyss is second, sure, but Symphonia is the FF7 of Tales.

          Which is kind of funny considering Abyss is closer to FF7 in terms of story. Especially with Luke having a similar yet different identity crisis like Cloud.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I remember watching the anime of this and the MC being such an insufferable fucking dick that I just stopped watching after a few episodes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I won't say you should go back and finish it, but that was intentional. Luke is one of the best protags in any JRPG because he starts out as an insufferable homosexual and eventually grows into a pretty cool dude by the end of the game.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He gets his comeuppance at the end of the first arc (out of 3) and changes into the shorter-haired version for the rest of the game.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Baten Kaitos had a better one.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think the twist was all that surprising, but the overall story was so well done. Also best cast in the series. Also best soundtrack.

    Damn it was so good, it needs a remaster so badly.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Luke is great. I wish more RPGs weren't afraid of having the MC get shat on at every turn.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      characters that grow over time are hated because every MC must be a perfect goody two shoes self-insert or an uninteresting tard

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like the irony of Van fighting for human determinism while also forcing Luke into a pre-determined role the moment he's born.
    What an asshole.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Van didn't consider Luke human for starters.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Kind of a hard sell when Van's entire plan was to replace humanity with people like Luke in an attempt to break free from a determined future.
        If he doesn't think of replicas as humans, then what is he even trying to do?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He thought it was a necessary evil to be free from the Score. Luke was a replica but was still being manipulated by parties other than the Score so he was the worst of both worlds.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            right, but either he thinks of replicas as humans and decides making a free people is worth genociding pre-replica humans, or he's just going to kill all humans in his mind to create a world populated by puppets (as he sees replica luke) which wouldn't be an improvement over the current world of puppets for the score.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the absolute naggerS at bandai nanco wont fucking release xillia 1-2 on pc, do they hate money? CMON

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They probably lost the code for the game or something and can't port it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's especially bad when you remember Xillia came out during the dark ages of dub only english versions. So while Japan got Miyuki Sawashiro's sexy voice for Milla, the rest of the world got pic related.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Abyss was fucking kino....

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes!
      >it's a Meaning of Birth moment

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Play Karma on different instruments
        >call it a new song

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's essentially the game's main theme, so might as well call the remix something else with hitting copyright issues.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's essentially the game's main theme, so might as well call the remix something else with hitting copyright issues.

          You know a fight in game is going to be good when you hear the opening song starts to play

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why were the 1v1s always so kino?

        ?si=DFOXPoV5P2TJDjYp

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Fuck
          Will Tales games be this good again?
          Honestly, I havent played Arise, but it's odd. Apparently it was the most sold Tales games ever but I barely see anyone talk about it.
          People still discuss the older ones

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's just shilling and sales numbers.
            It didn't leave any (good) lasting impressions because other than the graphics, it was mostly underwhelming for the actual fanbase.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            From what I've heard, Arise wasn't even a Tales game initially but got turned into a Tales game somewhere down the line

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Correct.
              https://noisypixel.net/tales-of-arise-not-intended-tales-of-game/
              >Perhaps the most thought-provoking trivia is how early on in its development, Tales of Arise was not supposed to be a “Tales of” game at all. Instead, the title was simply called “Arise,” with the intention of creating a brand-new IP developed by the Tales of team. It was such an innovative project that they weren’t sure if they should affix it to the Tales of IP.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >bog standard Action RPG with bog standard ARPG gameplay.
                >Innovative

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's PR speak, Anon. Publishers always say their upcoming game is ultra giga amazing even if it's trash.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The nuance is lost in translation, the point of Arise's development was to bring sweeping change to Tales specifically (yes, even before it was technically a Tales game, since it was the Tales team), not to innovate gaming in general.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Guy, do the world a favor, shove Anise off that ledge, then recruit Arietta into the party in her place.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Push yourself off a cliff.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bruh. Jade (and Luke and Tear) killed her mommy. She's never going to forgive them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They should've recruited her before that point. If they hadn't taken Anise with them Arietta would've happily joined up to protect Ion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Unironically very soon. Japan consistently votes Abyss as its favorite Tales game. They'll probably do a proper remake instead of a touch up like Symphonia and Vesperia.

            IM STILL MAD
            WORST TALES EVER

            If they remake Abyss I could definitely see them adding Arietta as a new party member. Wanting her is one of the most consistent complaints about this game that I see that's not totally misinformed bashing.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Like Every Tales games, Abyss fell of hard in the 3rd act. Arrietta death is the laziest writing i ever seen in JRPG games

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I wouldn't call one of the main villain gang dying 'lazy writing'.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              as much as i'd like that, i really don't see how they could make it work without major rewrites. Arietta is a lot cuter than Anise, but she's pretty fucked in the head by all the shit that's going on. I'm not sure she could properly cope with the truth about Ion.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >a lot cuter
                Not with the original JP voices. Can't beat Haruko Momoi.

                Also, Tokunaga>>>

                [...]

                's doll
                It was fononmodded by DIST THE ROSE after all.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Undub or Dub?

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You could see it coming from a mile away.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    IM STILL MAD
    WORST TALES EVER

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Asch should've taken over for the last hours of the game If you ended up losing the the final duel with him.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I always thought Tales of the Abyss had unironically great writing and multifaceted characters, they felt flawed and human and when they overcame their shit it felt real and earned (and not just Luke, though he's one of the best examples)?
    Luke after Akzeriuth is still a little immature and seems to want instant gratification redemption (self flagellation / "if I die for x then I'll be vindicated!!") but he realizes that's also a form of cowardice and that he doesn't actually want that, and becomes more even tempered over time.
    What really stuck out to me too was Jade also acknowledging that he fucked up by wanting to avoid the hassle of a long explanation and dealing with the fallout of international politics that would come with it (i.e. telling a monarch their son isn't their son) then thousands of death could have been prevented. He apologizes to Luke in one of those "night before final battle" scenes and it felt so real.
    People don't seem to remember that in "wooow Jade could have stopped it" posts.

    But it's been so long since I played it I'm beginning to doubt my own memory as to if it holds up against other RPGs writing wise, or if I am just viewing it through a nostalgic lens. Does it hold up?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's character development essentially.
      Especially for Jade since he actually grew attached to the group (moreso Luke) and strove to become a somewhat better person but still had problems doing so.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Jade: "if I was a king, responsible for my people, then yes - I would ask you to die." but as your friend, I feel compelled to stop you.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    But Zestiria is better though

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mieu is the cutest tbh no!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      not even the cutest in that image. Hell Mieu isn't even the SECOND cutest in that image.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >voiced by Yukana
        Tear wins in cuteness by default.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Jade the Necromancer
    >He's not actually a necromancer and never raises the dead

    ?????

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He tried to resurrect his teacher

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Invented the tech for making replicas
      >Attempted to clone his teacher he accidentally killed
      Please anon, at least play the game you're shitposting about

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      t. Didn't fight the superboss

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fomicry, anon.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why wont namco port the rest of tales of to modern platforms

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Out in less than a day
    >No one cares
    lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >no sequel with the protagonists son
      Fuck this adopted cuck shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I had two playthroughs of this, i don't want to fight permanent superarmor bosses again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      OP theme sounds nice though.

      Tales may have gone downhill, but most of the vocal OPs are good. To say nothing of the bangers from the older games.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm going to play it but it's lower in priority. I'm going to play Yakuza 7 and if I'm still in the mood then I'll jump straight into Gaiden if not then I'll do Tales

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I lost interest when I learned the e-boi isn't playable.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thats not a e-boi

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          'Hebe' is not a term in Japan. e-boicon originally covered girls 12-14 and only later started absorbing older terms for girls younger than that. e-boi is a bodytype, not an age, as the whole 'ancient e-boi vampire/dragon' meme and e-boibabas attest.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thats not a hebe either. It just a teenager like rinwell

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Shorter and smaller than Rinwell
              >Ignored my point that e-boi can cover girls up fourTEEN.
              I'm going to file you under 'people that don't want to admit they think this e-boi is cute'.

              But Alice Complex and Heidi Complex are.
              e-boita Complex refers to the oldest little girls

              Yeah, like I said, e-boi originally referred to the oldest (12-14, as in my post) and only later started absorbing older terms like Alicecon to be the general use term for anime girls 5+ in Japan. Only the old and crusty still use the older terms, or people like me when dealing with annoying people who scream about liking hebes and how that makes them not e-boicons.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Shorter and smaller than Rinwell
                ? She got same height and built as Rinwell

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But Alice Complex and Heidi Complex are.
            e-boita Complex refers to the oldest little girls

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What Tales of has the best cooking?

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Best game to start the series?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Phantasia ps1

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Symphonia is the Tales equivalent FF7 for the series, for better or worse. And I believe many western Tales fan started with it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Symphonia or Vesperia

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Zestiria

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The first one Tales of Phantasia. The remake on the PS1.

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This game gives me arthritis on the 3ds. Pretty fun. Did not like the last boss too much tho.

  58. 1 month ago
    aceman
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Arietta the CUTE! CUTE!

      • 1 month ago
        aceman

        Very cute

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          DEAD GIRL
          IM STILL MAD
          MADDDDDDDDDDDD

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Arietta and Symphonia 2's Alice is pretty popular in their gacha. Bamco realize they made a mistake by killing them off. You dont kill e-bois in JRPG. thats a taboo

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Arietta
            >gMA + xMA with Elise
            >Alice
            >gMA + xMA with Decus + cMA as I-no
            >I failed to roll the I-no cMA
            I'm still mad.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Arietta
            >e-boi

            She's the same age as Tear lol

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I always forget that Tear is only 16 years old.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                16 auldrantian years, anon. So about 31-32 earth years.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It's a bodytype, not an age.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Very cute

        And very dead!

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >playing through vesperia again
    >everyone treats raven like a crusty old fossil
    >he talks as if he's one bad step away from breaking his hip and retiring forever
    >find out he's only 35 years old
    Is this a translation thing or are you really considered an ancient fuck if you're 30+ in Japan?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Latter because JRPG sensibilties rife with anime tropes.
      Jade knows and exploits it despite being 30.
      KLARTH is called old and he's only 29.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Jade's 35*, correction.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The games are primarily about characters aged 15-17, 35 is one foot in the grave compared to that. Raven probably has to take a day off adventuring if he eats the wrong foods because his stomach is starting to go.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder that Van in Abyss is 27

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >purposely grew out his beard to look older
        Master Badtouch knows what to do.

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do birds fly Ganker?

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Of all the Tales games I've played, Abyss had the most notably good story. I liked most of the stories of the games, but Abyss felt like they were really trying to have something stand out with the effort they put into it. It's my favorite story in the series for sure.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tales Of Hebephillia

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tales Of Hebephillia

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And people try to pretend the 'official' heights mean anything.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love Asch.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He was kind of a retard, but then again he is Luke so that tracks.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Asch is shit

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jade Curtis is a menace to all of society.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Jade did nothing wrong.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Jade: "I created fomicry."

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw no younger clone twin brother

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >finally works on citra
    Huh, maybe ill finally play it and see for myself. I remember how you fags hyped up vesperia and it turned out to be shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Have fun, anon.
      Jade is the best character by the way.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ill keep that in mind

        Why would you specifically be waiting for the worst version to become playable when the better version has been playable for forever?

        Newer=better

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If only that were true

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why would you specifically be waiting for the worst version to become playable when the better version has been playable for forever?

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when tales of was good?
    Remember before team symphonia and team destiny merge?
    Remember when the series had soul?

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Call me a weirdo but I've always liked listening to Tear's fonic hymns and wish she did a nice full song instead of just clips.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Technically, it's done in the final battle and post-credits by splicing them together.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's what I linked to, anon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh, whoops.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yukana's voice is beautiful.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That minute and a half of just getting to smack Van around while she sings is a core memory burnt into my brain for fucking ever

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    that moment when the OP was so good they had to use it for the anime adaptation

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I miss Team Symphonia duels
    Lloyd vs Kratos
    Luke vs Asch
    Yuri vs Flynn

    All kino with great music

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I am so gonna kick your ass
      >no no no im gonna kick YOUR ass
      >OHHO ITS ON NOW

      Pure unfiltered kino

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's a great scene, great music and setup for the fight.
        Then you spend like ten minutes running around, waiting for Flynn to use all his moves and hope you don't fuck up and get killed by his MA for the secret mission.

        Not a TS game, but Stahn vs Dymlos was also amazing

        I really love Common Destiny

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not a TS game, but Stahn vs Dymlos was also amazing

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone post ANIME VERSION of Arrietta's death ?

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >people rather talk about about abyss a 20 years old game over the upcoming arise dlc
    Kinda sad

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >people would rather about a good game over a bad one

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I will talk about how Fuckable Edna is until year 2080

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is an Abyss thread

      but I do have the Arise DLC pre-ordered

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The PSP version of Tales of Phantasia is universally acknowledged as the best version of the game
    >despite already having three complete English versions of the script, the PSP game is the only version that's never been translated
    I HATE IT
    Translation WHEN?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Rondoline ruins the narrative anyway.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The PSP version of Tales of Phantasia is universally acknowledged as the best version of the game
      You mean Full Voice or the remake on Narikiri Dungeon X? And I find it more sacrilegious the GBA version is the only official release of Phantasia in the west

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The GBA ToP translation is one of the worst official translations I've ever seen, in terms of quality.

        Van is the best Tales villains of them all and was 100% right even if his methods weren't the best. Abyss' writing in general is in the upper echelons of the series. Sadly, the game is tarnished by all the backtracking and little annoying mechanics like the CC system.
        However, it has the BEST Cameo Battle of the series.

        Abyss does not have CC, only the ToD remake and Graces have CC.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I meant Capacity Core.
          The Chain Capacity system is great

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ah, now that I can agree with you on. I have no idea why they made stat-growth modifying equipment and only allowed you to have one of each, meaning that even on NG+ you can only truly max one character.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The GBA ToP translation is one of the worst official translations I've ever seen, in terms of quality.
          Kangaroo

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          but is it worse than breath of fire 2's official TL?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Narikiri Dungeon
        >That loser Dhaos had children

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        X edition. The FVE is very half-assed.

        >Narikiri Dungeon
        >That loser Dhaos had children

        He didn't have any children, the kids from NariDun are from a different country on Derris Kharlan. And Rody isn't his kid either, she just met him in a forest when she was a kid and looked up to him as a father figure.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >looking up to a genocidal psychopath

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon. He was wise and (generally) a pacifist on DK before it went to complete shit and before he just snapped thanks to humanity's stupidity on Aselia.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Not humanity's stupidity, it was literally one guy, Reisen, who was upset that Dhaos's preaching would cut off his funding so he decided to convince the king that Dhaos was an evil demon lord. Then in response to that Dhaos decided to actually BECOME an evil demon lord instead of doing anything reasonable. So the only people to blame are Reisen for just being evil and Dhaos himself for having a spergout.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Dhaos himself for having a spergout
                Sadly they had to do this considering how he acted in Phantasia for the most part.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That was his original characterization. So it's more like "Sadly they wanted to whitewash him so they had to contrive something."

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Rody knew him way before the events of Phantasia.

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone is a psycho, not only your party supports genocide but you end up doing what the BBE wanted to do from the start anyways.
    hell you let Anise kill the other e-boi for shit and giggles
    and the gameplay has been surpassed by modern Tales entries

    forgot how distant everyone is too, when Luke is about o anhero Tear still won't even grace him

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >but you end up doing what the BBE wanted to do from the start anyways
      You don't genocide humanity for Replicas.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Everyone is a psycho
      Wrong. Ion and Natalia among others are fairly stable.
      >not only your party supports genocide but you end up doing what the BBE wanted to do from the start anyways
      There was no choice in the matter considering the rapidly deteriorating state of the world.
      >hell you let Anise kill the other e-boi for shit and giggles
      Arietta was out to kill regardless.
      >and the gameplay has been surpassed by modern Tales entries
      Depends.
      >forgot how distant everyone is too, when Luke is about o anhero Tear still won't even grace him
      Bruh. Guy had to fucking restrain her when she tried and failed to maintain her composure otherwise she would've been vaporized into fonons as well in the situation.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. Abyss is the Tales which the playable characters caused the highest bodycount.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ENTER

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Fine. You win.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Poor Ludger has a higher body count than the majority of video game protagonists and antagonists.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Poor Ludger has a higher body count than the majority of video game protagonists and antagonists.

            his body count is on the same level as Ritsuka Fujimaru

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          **************Second Highest bodycount. Also didnt the one do the killing is the main character alone ?? Every Abyss character canonically kills people

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah Ludger's the one doing the killing, though the party members kinda take the blame as well for being complicit. But if you ignore the worldending shit Abyss has the highest plot relevant bodycount yeah. I mean, fuck, the God Generals all die like twice minimum what with their not-deaths and the replicas in the bonus dungeon.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Dist the Rose says hi.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >tfw no dmc style action game spinoff starting Ludger

          Bruh had everything, White hair, multiple weapons, devil trigger. Older brother with all the same powers, and very poor financial standing

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it was good, but star ocean 3's was better.

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Van is the best Tales villains of them all and was 100% right even if his methods weren't the best. Abyss' writing in general is in the upper echelons of the series. Sadly, the game is tarnished by all the backtracking and little annoying mechanics like the CC system.
    However, it has the BEST Cameo Battle of the series.

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tales is good.

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  83. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Even in the early game you'd have to be pretty shallow to hate Luke. Sure his social skills are poor but it's completely justified why he's in that state, and his ultimate reaction to things is always altruistic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody knows his situation at the time and even with his attitude you can clearly see Tear warming up to him until his ambassador status has him revert to his worst behavior.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Nobody knows his situation at the time
        They don't know that he's a REPLICAAAAA, but Guy and Natalia do know that he was found with no memories after his kidnapping and are partially responsible for raising him again. Doesn't help that Van knows exactly what's going on and is cleverly making use of that knowledge.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm talking about from a player's perspective.

  84. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  85. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If werent for how shitty and shiny new tales look, i would've beg for a remake by now.

  86. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Except you can totally see it coming. I liked it regardless and this one probably has my favorite cast of both protagonists and antagonists on a tales game. Everyone seems to have good reasons to justify their actions instead of being mere appendixes of the MC and the main antagonist and they all grow up and all that.

  87. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, it's gotta be this one. Just imagine if nearing the end of FF9, Zidane just openly announced he had been consciously working on Garland's behalf the entire time and just played up the flippant adventurer facade so well.

  88. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You did read Luke's diary after this scene, right? Right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reading Luke's diary makes the night before scene much worse when you learn that Luke was about to confess his love to Tear. He intended to confess but changed his mind because he thought it'll make it harder for Tear when he disappeared 🙁

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And then she found out anyway.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I love the subtle writing. Also, if you read his journal after Tear finds out about his condition, he also says he has one final secret he can’t tell her

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's a damn shame that "the main characters are authoring the synopsis as you go" isn't an absolute requirement for Tales development, it's such a cool detail.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a damn shame that "the main characters are authoring the synopsis as you go" isn't an absolute requirement for Tales development, it's such a cool detail.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reading Luke's diary makes the night before scene much worse when you learn that Luke was about to confess his love to Tear. He intended to confess but changed his mind because he thought it'll make it harder for Tear when he disappeared 🙁

      I love the subtle writing. Also, if you read his journal after Tear finds out about his condition, he also says he has one final secret he can’t tell her

      This was before gachas and fanbases absolutely seething when a male character talked to a female character, or even being in the same room as one. I miss the good old days

  89. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What a horrible game Abyss is
    Pretty much the only JRPG ive dropped solely because the story is so bad

  90. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is there a list of the classics to play. I plan on replaying phantasia this time on the ps1 with the patch (first time was the GBA version).
    I heard destiny is good but there's a remake? Also what's about eternia 1 and 2. What about the GB ones and the DS ones

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Destiny ps1 is kinda lame. It's basically a prototype for the ps1 remake of Phantasia. Destiny PS2 is one of the best Tales games in gameplay terms. Play the Director's Cut. A translation patch is available.
      Eternia is its own game. Thing is, originally, when it was released for ps1, it was named "Tales of Destiny II" for marketing reasons. Eternia has nothing to do with Destiny. Play the PSP version.
      The Gameboy games are the Narikiri Dungeon games. They're turn based and 8bit and not very good, imo.
      As for the DS games, Hearts > Innocence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempest.
      Tempest is absolute garbage. Don't play it. Hearts is the best and Innocence is okay

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The Gameboy games are the Narikiri Dungeon games. They're turn based and 8bit and not very good, imo.
        Only the original NariDun is turn-based, although it does have some timed attacks like Mario RPG. NariDun 2 is straight LMBS although comboing is impossible, and NariDun 3 is a mix of SRPG and 2's LMBS with one slight tweak. They're all fun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Destiny remake on the PS2 is really good in terms of gameplay/combat. Probably the best 2D Tales combat. IIRC there was a translation patch for it nowadays. Do be sure to play the Director's Cut version, if only for the bullshit broken Leon.
      Eternia 1 is pretty good, ToP PSX runs on the same engine. Story shares some similar beats with Symphonia, but it's a fun ride, though only 2 and a half characters are any fun to play as, IMO.
      Eternia 2 is some online thing, I think? Nobody talks about it and nobody cares.

      Destiny ps1 is kinda lame. It's basically a prototype for the ps1 remake of Phantasia. Destiny PS2 is one of the best Tales games in gameplay terms. Play the Director's Cut. A translation patch is available.
      Eternia is its own game. Thing is, originally, when it was released for ps1, it was named "Tales of Destiny II" for marketing reasons. Eternia has nothing to do with Destiny. Play the PSP version.
      The Gameboy games are the Narikiri Dungeon games. They're turn based and 8bit and not very good, imo.
      As for the DS games, Hearts > Innocence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tempest.
      Tempest is absolute garbage. Don't play it. Hearts is the best and Innocence is okay

      Tempest is so fucking bad that it's the only mainline Tales game that got demoted.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Others can provide an actual list. I'll just answer your second line.
      GB Tales are trash.
      Destiny PSX works like Phantasia PSX
      PS2 Destiny: DC (Director's Cut) also has a Leon sidestory which ends at THAT part but introduced the CC system and is pretty much unanimously preferred over the original
      Eternia is the official JP name of the "Destiny II" for the US. "Destiny II" is not the real Destiny 2, which takes place after Destiny 1.
      DS: Innocence is fairly dated but still functions. PSVita remake has its ups and downs. Neither were localized.
      DS: Hearts is 2D spritework with 3 characters on-screen, JP only. PSVita remake is 3D models with 4 characters on-screen, also has a divisive localization.
      DS: Tempest, JP only. Very bad from a technical standpoint, very short, although the characters are fairly likeable, they're not enough to salvage how horribly this plays.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Destiny PSX works like Phantasia PSX
        No, Destiny PSX is more like Phantasia SNES. It's Eternia that's like Phantasia PSX

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I could've sworn Phantasia PSX had screen freezes whenever mid- and high-tier spells were cast while Eternia was the first one to do away with those.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Destiny PSX works like Phantasia PSX
        No, Destiny PSX is more like Phantasia SNES. It's Eternia that's like Phantasia PSX

        >2
        Keep that shit away.

        The Destiny remake on the PS2 is really good in terms of gameplay/combat. Probably the best 2D Tales combat. IIRC there was a translation patch for it nowadays. Do be sure to play the Director's Cut version, if only for the bullshit broken Leon.
        Eternia 1 is pretty good, ToP PSX runs on the same engine. Story shares some similar beats with Symphonia, but it's a fun ride, though only 2 and a half characters are any fun to play as, IMO.
        Eternia 2 is some online thing, I think? Nobody talks about it and nobody cares.

        [...]
        Tempest is so fucking bad that it's the only mainline Tales game that got demoted.

        Wait
        In jp it's destiny. And eternia
        And in us it's Destiny and destiny 2?
        And there's a real sequel to destiny too?

        Also which no only games have localizations I might get the ps2 and psp roms.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >In jp it's destiny. And eternia
          >And in us it's Destiny and destiny 2?
          Yes. They were both PS1 games, with Destiny 1 having a PS2 remake. Eterina has a PSP port.

          >And there's a real sequel to destiny too?
          Yes, for the PS2. I believe it was the first of the three Japan-only ps2 Tales

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          JP -------- US
          Destiny --- Destiny
          Eternia ---- Destiny II
          Destiny 2 -- doesn't exist

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh right, I forgot about that nonsense. I'm so used to people knowing about this.
          Tales of Eternia got called Tales of Destiny II in the US, for some weird-ass reason, probably name recognition.
          There is also an actual sequel to Tales of Destiny, Tales of Destiny 2, but that one never got localized and I don't think it has a translation patch either.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The name change was because of He-Man copyright or something.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That sounds retarded enough to be true.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Also which no only games have localizations I might get the ps2 and psp roms.
          Can you rephrase the question? If you're asking which ones are Japan-only, then Destiny 2 and Rebirth. Eternia's localized on the ps1 (as Destiny II) and PSP (Europe-only, if I'm not misremembering)
          Destiny 2 and Rebirth have no translation patches that I know off and both are available on PS2 and PSP. the PSP releases run at 30fps instead of 60 but have extra boss battles and content.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry I was asking which jp only games have translation patches so I can play them on psp ps2 etc.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Ah, then Destiny PS2. I believe it's the only one that has a translation patch. Destiny 2 and Rebirth remain Japan-only to this day.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the PSP releases run at 30fps instead of 60 but have extra boss battles and content.
            They run at 60 FPS, the downside is that the screen has to be cropped to fit in the PSP's aspect ratio. It's worth it if you ask me.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              There's a code that lets you unfuck the aspect ratio, if you want, though obviously there's consequences. https://x.com/JLightfellow/status/1647320289875820544?s=20

              Ah, then Destiny PS2. I believe it's the only one that has a translation patch. Destiny 2 and Rebirth remain Japan-only to this day.

              Rebirth has an English-subbed Youtube playthrough that covers basically everything, but it's old as shit now and the quality's not great. Destiny 2's english patch seems to be pretty on its way so I'd wait to play that one. Rebirth's plot kinda sucks ass anyway so I'd just learn the gameplay and ignore the rest.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah the resulting letterboxing looks worse than the cropping to me.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But anon, you clearly must know about the racism between Huma and Gajuma.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Rebirth
                >The furries did nothing wrong and you're in the wrong for not wanting to live with and be ruled over by furries because humans bad!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That doesn't even remotely describe Rebirth's plot.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I fucking wish that was the plot. Racism demon final boss lmao

                Yeah it does. All the evil shit in the world ultimately stems from humans being racist, or did you forget about the existence of Yuris?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's been a while but I thought it was all MUH BOTH SIDES and the furries's racism was contributing too or something? Though the kickstarter was definitely that fucking goat furry anyway.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's only human racism that made Yuris, and Geyorkias wanted to kill off humans for being the source of racism that made Yuris. Yuris can just use the racism energy he gets from humans to make Gajuma more racist too. The goat (Zilva) does start shit in the plot, but outside of her, every time there's a Huma vs. Gajuma racism event, the humans are depicted as being in the wrong. As far as 'being forced to live with and ruled over by furries', that's the political situation at the start of the plot, and humans are continuously depicted as being bad for wanting their own independent human country.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Hahaha holy shit I forgot about that. I remembered the furries ruling over everyone until Agarte's dad died and went apeshit, and in my mind for the past few years I figured Geyorkias was just fucking pissed at everyone and their mom having Force + Agarte summoning him just to get some dick. Thanks anon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah there's ultimately nothing defensible about the plot (or the characters, frankly) of Rebirth.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Hilda's kind-of-reunion with her mom was depressing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Tainted by it being part of 'muh racism' plot.

                You're just distorting the game to fit your argument. Yes, the hyuma initiating a war on gajuma is what created Yuris initially, but no, "negative thoughts" from any being on Rebirth's planet contributes to Yuris's power, not just hyumas. Zilba, Saleh, and Touma are always depicted as being in the wrong. The desert towns both have gajuma being shitty (although one is gajuma on gajuma prejudice mostly), as well as the one town where gajuma and hyuma each have a mayor (I forget its name).

                Zilva got tricked because she thought she was serving Geyorkias. Saleh is a Huma. Tohma, and a town with Gajuma vs. Gajuma racism, does not absolve that Yuris was born from Huma, and that Geyorkias, the central good spirit, believes Huma should be genocided and literally tells you in the ending that Huma, not Gajuma only Huma, need to clean up their racism. And again, the Huma are repeatedly depicted as being in the wrong for wanting their own independent nation instead of being enslaved go Gajuma.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                One side has to be the one to get the ball rolling, in the past it was hyuma, and at the start of the game it's gajuma. Also you're conflating ヒト with ヒューマ in regards to what Geyorkias says in the ending. The former refers to both races, and is what he says.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Like the other anon said I'll bat for Hilda and maybe Kurea but everyone else can go fuck themselves yeah. I will also say that Annie is bland as shit and she's one of the most infuriating plotwise, but I always found her general interactions to be realistically written for a teenage girl. (As in, when she's just hanging out; writing in her diary, wanting to emulate her big sis figure, being polite but awkward, in general not being a zoomer caricature or an adult who happens to be 15. Too bad she's a turbo bitch outside of skits.)

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Claire's overly egregious mary-sue-ness makes her pretty indefensible. I think Agarte is the best character in the game.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Huh, my opinion is pretty much a 180. Kurea being completely useless in battle but getting her spotlight during segments and getting places with just her speech made her a gigachad for me, meanwhile I was still seething at Agarte causing this whole shitshow just to get some dick (and having the balls to even fail that at the end). Milhaust isn't even cute.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Claire pretty much says the correct thing 100% of the time and can talk anyone down out of any situation at any time. She's the writer's mouthpiece through and through. Agarte is a piece of shit at the start but you get to watch her growth first-hand into a genuinely good person. And then they kill her in an ass-pull for literally no reason

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah fair enough. I think if she didn't fucking die at the end I could have learned to like Agarte. I gave Kurea some free points too because jesus, can you imagine tard wrangling Veigue for nearly your whole fucking life? I think she earned her Speech 100 checks.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Huh, my opinion is pretty much a 180. Kurea being completely useless in battle but getting her spotlight during segments and getting places with just her speech made her a gigachad for me, meanwhile I was still seething at Agarte causing this whole shitshow just to get some dick (and having the balls to even fail that at the end). Milhaust isn't even cute.

                Agarte looks like a halfie and the plot would've probably made a little bit more sense if she was, because as it is, it makes zero sense why Ladras gave Huma Force. Why would he give a shit? On the other hand, if his wife or consort had been a Huma and his daughter a halfbreed, it'd make sense why he'd want to improve the lot of Huma.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It wasn't his choice, anyone bathed in the light gained Force.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You're just distorting the game to fit your argument. Yes, the hyuma initiating a war on gajuma is what created Yuris initially, but no, "negative thoughts" from any being on Rebirth's planet contributes to Yuris's power, not just hyumas. Zilba, Saleh, and Touma are always depicted as being in the wrong. The desert towns both have gajuma being shitty (although one is gajuma on gajuma prejudice mostly), as well as the one town where gajuma and hyuma each have a mayor (I forget its name).

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I fucking wish that was the plot. Racism demon final boss lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I like Battle Organization

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Rebirth's soundtrack is very good overall.

                >No vita emu
                Shame..

                There is though.

  91. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Technology BAD!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is there a Tales game that doesn't end in technology and/or magic being destroyed so everyone has to live in a mundane shithole and have 70% of their children die of disease?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Arise?
        Beseria?
        Zesteria?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >nu-Tales

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Beseria?
          >Zesteria?
          I forgot how the magic works there and everything about the ending except Meebo's gay ponytail. Also the very obvious sequel bait about dealing with the Seraphim in heaven starting all this shit that'll never be addressed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He did nothing wrong.

  92. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >they will never make a Symphonia 1 and 2 remake

    They're just waiting till sales die down like squeenix did with 7 right? There's no way they would let Symphonia rot.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >2
      Keep that shit away.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They'd just port it again to PS6, Xbox 4 or whatever and call it a day.

  93. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why did this have weaker critical reception than Symphonia? Nintendo bonus?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      PS2 anime RPG on a system full of them.
      Symphonia struck gold because GC (Meleefag paradise) was severely lacking in JRPGS.

  94. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  95. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >everyone hates him after they know hes a clone
    what a shit party

  96. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >remove victory screen banters and fun
    >make all the skits serious no fun allowed boring shit
    Tomizawa need to fuck off ASAP

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Arise does have skits where the party goofs around.
      It's all postgame tho

  97. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Normally, I don't find Jade attractive but that leer is doing things to me.

  98. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jade Curtis es un trolazo

  99. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  100. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  101. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    HD texture Patch for Tales of Innocence R
    https://noisypixel.net/tales-of-innocence-r-hd-fan-patch/
    by the same fans doing Abyss HD Project

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Is that for ds.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Innocence R is for Vita.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >No vita emu
          Shame..

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Do you mean you can't run the Vita emu? Because there absolutely is a working Vita emulator right now.

  102. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Would work better if it was short-haired Luke.
      This one would probably have a tantrum and lash out instead.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Short hair is ugly.

  103. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When is my boy Lloyd getting his own cameo battle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He'd probably be too broken against the player with how fucking fast he is.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Then do it like how they ruined Eizen for Arise's cameo fight.
        From Berseria's full sprint to Arise's jolly jog to fuck you up with his fucked hitboxes

  104. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  105. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I spent like 200 hours on Graces Wii knowing jackshit of Nip.
    Why is the story so criticized?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Go play the ps3 english version and you'll understand why.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Go play the ps3 english version and you'll understand why.

      Also Team Destiny writing.
      Notice how once you're done with a continent, you just kind of forget about it since it loses its role in the story.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Also Team Destiny writing.
        I mean I liked Destiny/Destiny 2's stories

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Because Asbel says the word "mamoru"
      That's all I've gathered from people who criticize it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Every character, even the supposedly smart ones, is a massive retard. Just to clarify, I'm ok with characters being stupid and making stupid decisions if it has a narrative point, characters aren't supposed to be omniscient and just because you as the player figures something out doesn't mean the player has to unless it's a CRPG or something.

      Graces doesn't do that, characters in that game are stupid because they think that makes for funny gags.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >doesn't mean the player has to
        doesn't mean the CHARACTER has to, I meant

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Pascal has autism and is generally an idiot with sparks of genius in technology
        >Hubert is a tryhard who sometimes gets in over his head because of teen impulsiveness
        >Malik is not actually that intelligent despite his position, considering he cheated on tests and stuff
        >Richard is empathetic to an almost suicidal degree to a certain character
        >Emeraude just went nuts with power
        Asbel, Cheria, and Sophie aren't particularly smart either.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Pascal is the definition of an idiot savant, she is a genius in ONE thing and clueless in everything else.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Asbel is 100% friendship and the story bends over for his obsession to work, and every villain you meet die almost immediately after they've explained their character and background.
      Pic related, what a waste of time

  106. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, this plot twist felt very similar to finding out that Cloud wasn't who he thought he was, either. Very good, though.

  107. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love Abyss.
    That is all.

  108. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Symphonia had better twists than Abyss.
    Baten Kaitos had one of the best twists in GAYMEN within the same era as Abyss.

  109. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sex With Edna !

  110. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tear is the quintessencial most perfect female ever in any media form. Think about it, Luke in a single blow:

    >discovered he was a clone
    >discovered the original version of him was more likeable
    >genocided an entire city
    >helped the villain like a fucking gulible idiot
    >everyone abandoned him for the original him, including his "best friend"

    But Tear, she remained by his side.

    You can make this shit up. She is faithful in an impossible level. A girl as perfect as Tear can't exist in this reality. It doesn't even exist in fiction outside of Tales of the Abyss. Tear is PERFECT.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Also, Yukana.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >everyone abandoned him for the original him, including his "best friend"
      Guy went back for him immediately after cooling down though.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Still, Guy abandoned him. Regardless of how much time he spent doing it, he still did it

        Tear was the only one who remained by his side

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Luke was a fucking bastard and the party witnessed him commit genocide, IIRC Tear was the only one who knew Van caused everything.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Tear is the best

  111. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >better girls
    >better game
    >better twist

  112. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >There will never be a better plot twist in a rpg than this.

    wow that was easy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      OP said better, not so bad it hangs over THE REST OF THE SERIES

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anon that's commonly cited as one of the stupidest plot twists in JRPG history and I have to assume you're shitposting

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        filtered

  113. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Should have had a Lynx style switch, fuck Luke.

  114. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I still feel melancholic when I watch the Abyss epilogue. Will Tales ever be this good again? Arise was just ok.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I recently rewatched the last several anime episodes. At least the anime epilogue makes it more obvious that it is Luke who appears at the very end.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The anime can have its own ending because in the game it's Asch no matter how much you try to cope

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Natalia accusing others of coping

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >cope
          stopped reading there, newfag

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >stopped reading at the end

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The end of the Nebilim quest literally spells it out too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Beg for Takumi Miyajima to come back.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      arise was easily the worst tales game i played, granted i havent played the ENTIRE series, only the important ones since I stopped playing them around the PS3 era.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >PS3 era
        Anything post-Graces is nu-Tales.

  115. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Which one are you referring to? That Luke is a clone? Or that the world is artificially created and controlled by the church and suspended in the sky?

  116. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Van is right, the Score is evil.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Van was 100% right and the party couldnt shut him down
      His replica world plan was shit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It was the only hway.

  117. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >all this discussion of Rebirth
    Was an english patch released or did everyone recently rewatch the really old yt translation playthrough?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If it got a patch I do not know about it. I would love to have one, I played through it ages ago in Moon, but I'd love to revisit it in a language I can actually read and understand.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      People can learn Japanese you know.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not possible

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Legitimately the hardest language in the world to learn.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Isn't Chinese even worse?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            To learn how to speak maybe, but as far as reading it? No, it makes more sense and is much more consistent.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no, chinese is kinda structured like english

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's loser speak from losers who want an excuse for giving up

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not even close

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Tell us then, oh wise polyglot, what language is harder?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Gaelic
              The first thing you have to learn is that you've been saying it's name wrong all of your life and that you'll get your skull smashed open for doing so in public.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you'll get your skull smashed open for doing so in public
                Considering over 90% of Irish people primarily or only speak English? Nah nobody gives a fucking shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It gets brought up when people talk about JP-only games, I lurk Ganker a lot and drop in when people talk about those. If you look in the Ganker archives you'll probably see me and one other anon or two seething about Rebirth every few months or so.

  118. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I always wondered if there's bad blood between Tales and Soul calibur devs, like SC6 picked fucking 2B for a guest fighter over any Tales character.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I have no doubt that 2B is way more popular overall than any Tales character.

  119. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Luke such a manlet?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Name 1 Tales MC above 6'
      Some Bros arent manlets but MCs? Nah

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There’s being a 5’7 manlet and then there is being 5’9 manlet

  120. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tales Of Hebephillia

  121. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I saw it coming as soon as asch started to show an irrational hatred for some spoiled child
    The true twist was seeing how a seemingly comfy and perhaps innocent game could get to be so cruel and have no fear to show a child drowning and dying in a sea of poison. Luke literally became an indirect genocidal retard
    I love that game specifically. Vesperia does some things better, but this was peak PS2 experience (still comfy despite all the dark tones)

  122. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Absolute ludokino from Tales of Destiny

  123. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nice to have our monthly not-garbage Tales thread, see you all next month.

  124. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good Tales Thread

  125. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I almost entirely forgot all of Grace's plot after just a year or so after playing it.
    I've forgotten a lot of details of the other games I'd played too, but Graces in particular just went in one ear and out the other

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Probably because it wasn't all that interesting? I didn't care much for it, beyond the hilarity of having Richard in the Zero costume in every single cutscene, and played more for the fun combat.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah the game itself was plenty fun, and I remember liking the party. It's just the actual plot past the beginning hours.
        I'm starting to remember Asbel getting kicked out of his house in the rain now. That was pretty funny

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