there are more people signed up to hype for the kickstarter launching in like ten days than there were total backers for the previous one.
what the fuck.
they literally fired their most popular writer for being right wing. they have repeatedly, frequently and proudly told their fans to fuck right off if they dont want woke bullshit and people are just clapping like seals
Well to be honest anon, haven't you been on /tg/ before? Right wing people don't pay for games, nor do they play em. They just whine about them and then come here to cry about it.
Also that said writter was literary writting shite boomer nonsense in his novels, of course they will fire him if some chud off twitter can write better then him for same money, while being free ad on top.
what he said. I mostly play mechwarrior vidya or read the warrior trilogy (I forgot what the other good trilogy was)
Ya, at this point getting rid of the fucker was literary free advertising, also main people making minis that aren't plastic are still the ironwind guys and those are plenty conservatives last time I checked, yet you rarely see those models coming on sale.
Really, I love ironwind stuff, yet it's weird how there are so few iron wind minis about the place.
This. Go anti-woke, go broke is a well known phrase.
Don't forget to dilate
shit, thanks for the reminder. You're a good anon.
>Right wing people don't pay for games, nor do they play em
hahahahaha good one
I am yet to see the "hardcore" right wing fans to prove it otherwise, most got a model, and it's usually unpainted and stolen off google.
ntayrt
No horse in the culture war thing but it seems weird that there's such a big public push against right-wing and alt right gamers if there are no right-wing and alt right gamers. Largely like there's people who can make money off controversy and witch hunts so they're doing that. Its likely similar enough for 'them' or whoever.
Anon's not wrong. Like the Twitterati, Ganker's 4chantards are not consumers. Given that we know they also live in their mom's basement and subsist on chicken tendies this isn't surprising.
As a marketer, you can safely ignore Ganker and Twitter for opinions about consumption.
>Ganker's 4chantards are not consumers.
are they here wity hyou right now?'
>The venn diagram between BT grogs and Robotech fans is a circle. I never met a RT fan in the wild outside of specifically BT oldtimers.
you're on to something there
t. RT fan.
that's the opposite of a bad thing, please don't let the door hit your moron gay ass on the way out.
The "majority" aren't
>muh righties
or
>muh lefties
The muhjoritee are basically indifferent to politics, society, anything that doesn't directly and tangibly impact their lives. They do not care about any of this, they just want to play their dumb games.
Retard.
First post completed the thread.
>people are just clapping like seals
First time encountering brandloyal nerds as a consumer demographic?
the silent majority has spoken.
Which is why BattleTech is relegated to kickstarter.
>retards will dump millions into your R&D, production and shipping costs for you
>ha ha, fools! see how battletech is dying!
They literally put out the Alpha Strike boxed set with no kickstarter my friend, they're basically at the point where they don't need it, but like every slimy cunt online they're just gonna keep using it, since it's free investor capital with no expectation or legal obligation for a return.
KS is so normalized in tabletop market you have to be a special kind of idiot to not capitalize on free capital with zero risk of your own when launching a product.
Heck, tabletop RPGs are some of the few KS products that aren't rancid bullshit. I've never seen an RPG go the way some videogames, weird ass inventions or whatnot go where tons of people put in money and nothing fucking happens.
Granted, I've backed like 2 Kickstarter rpgs so I could be talking well outside of my ass here but the over/under seems pretty good.
There's been a handful that take forever to deliver, but i think that mostly happened in the early days when no one had any idea what the fuck they were doing. Well that and the one person who went nuts and claimed the Sun talks to them, but psychotic episodes aren't exactly something you can account for.
anon, someone was literally messaging her and telling her to burn down orphanages and his username was The Sun
wait, what? I was checked out of KS completely by that time so I didn't follow the drama.
wtf?
One I’m backing is taking a while to deliver but that’s because the company admitted they bit off more than they could chew with three different books, and that they’ve learned their lesson for next time.
Robotech RPG Tactics. Kevin Siembieda pulled a nice bait n switch by having another company run the KS and then go away leaving him with 1.4 million to squander on Thai Ladyboy hookers.
have a nice day
That's literally not him saying it. Obviously
>people are clapping like seals
anon, Games Workshop made a joke announcement of "War-tur" a few years ago, water from a special glacier to make it easier to thin paint. It was a literal joke and people spammed them for months wondering when the fuck the preorders were going to open.
To buy tapwater.
These people are at least signing up for what I can tell is a new box set and miniatures and from what my friend told me the support for actual vehicles is pretty rare, so yeah, big bucks. Stop stop crying man
blaine losing his job was gay sure but im really tired of this faggy nu-conservative attitude where you just instantly ragequit and go home if you have to look at a black person for five seconds
like literally fuck off back to your trailer and seethe there if you're that thin-skinned, the people I play with rolled our eyes collectively and then got on with our campaign because we're not children
is it nu-conservatives if old-timey conservatives nearly 50 years ago were trying to ban D&D too?
Yes.
>but im really tired of this faggy nu-conservative attitude where you just instantly ragequit and go home if you have to look at a black person for five seconds
What's wrong with it? From where I'm sitting, it seems like it's working.
>they figured out how cancelling works, shut it down!
>tfw stoped buying since Bendis got onto Superman
He just fucked it up as I expected and I decided to spare myself the grief.
>the problem is that i see black people
I'm quite sick of retards like yourself who never actually talk or try to understand your opponents in a democratic system and ascribe the worst motivations possible as though that isn't actively destroying your society
i know there's a lot of gays like yourself, who will literally eat shit because your betters told you to but come the fuck on.
>highly highly doubt they got rid of him for the superficial claimed reasons.
I don't, dude's been writing for about what 40-50 years for BT, they had decades to get rid of him. fasa, to CGL and they didn't.
companies regularly fold to pressure and complaint volumes, conservatives don't pay the bills like stakeholder groups do.
>conservatives don't pay the bills like stakeholder groups do
I thought conservatives were the silent majority and going woke makes one broke?
You don't know what the term 'stakeholder group' means? 'Conservatives' aren't the ones chasing EGS scores for cheap loan refinancing.
Its a great game whats to know. Pardoe loved the franchise and wrote good books in his time but he was an attention hungry edgelord I highly highly doubt they got rid of him for the superficial claimed reasons.
I am truly broke this year sadly but I really want in on this one.
Vastly overestimating both BLP's popularity and ability as a writer. Was he popular? Yeah, but he wasn't some rockstar. Was he good? No, none of the authors are it's all shlocky bubblegum.
That said, the salt from those who unironically ride BLP's dick is absolutely exquisite, please keep posting.
Pretty much nobody actually gave a fuck about Pardoe. He's considered one of the better BT novel writers but that's a low bar to clear, and the general opinion has for years been that he wrote one very good book decades ago and pretty much everything else he's done has been mediocre, with his last few books being downright bad.
At the end of the day what most BT want is the rulebooks being in back stock and new models that look better than the 1980s pewters, both of which CGL did successfully deliver in the last kickstarter and thus can be assumed to be able to do so again. That counts for a lot more than any outrage about a hasbeen boomer novelist not getting his contract renewed due to getting into internet shouting-matches.
The rulebooks are garbage.
I'm greatfull for the fagstarters though. They pay full price for preorders and I'll get everything for half off on miniature market at the same time their rewards ship.
the battlemech manual and alpha strike ones are good
>they
Yes, the people who control the IP being completely unrelated to the people who work with it and generate money from it is an unnatrual, cancerous state that lowers efficiency.
News at 18:48
BPL burned his own bridges, even if the drama that ultimately got him let go as a contractor is fucktarded. He also wasn't that good of an author in the first place, just not as bad as Stackpole, and Battletech's fiction has never really been the main draw of the game for the majority of fans.
It's a dumb little bit of drama but Battletech has survived worse than BPL's firing on the merits of the game itself. If Catalyst can keep themselves from fucking the game itself over they'll probably maintain a reasonably sized audience for the foreseeable future.
Turns out being an insufferable cunt to various people you work really lowers the threshold for acceptable cause. The fact that he got canned over drama that was gayer than a Cali monkeypox clinic is a thin skin covering the fact they wanted him gone in the first place.
>BPL burned his own bridges, even if the drama that ultimately got him let go as a contractor is fucktarded. He also wasn't that good of an author in the first place, just not as bad as Stackpole, and Battletech's fiction has never really been the main draw of the game for the majority of fans.
I've literally never read anything Pardoe has produced outside of the actual BT gaming books. I had no idea he was such a nutcase. The guy created a persecutor so he could be the victim and then proceeded to convince himself it was really happening. Shame he couldn't put that imagination to use in his writing.
>The guy created a persecutor so he could be the victim and then proceeded to convince himself it was really happening.
BLP hasn't appeared to have made up anything regarding the claims that got him fired. Some schizo was legit hounding him and has admitted to as much on their personal blog.
Pardoe was also just kind of a cunt to work with and not a particularly good writer.
You mean the personal blog Pardoe wrote for them?
If you have evidence that BLP made the blog himself you're free to post it. I haven't heard of anything like that beyond retards on /tg/
Literally the only person that says this person actually exists is BLP. Tomorrow I'll call over to the local agency and ask if they can verify whether the "J." person really exists. I'll be dollars to donuts they don't.
He did actually, just not for BT. One of his more recent books is literally a 4chan persecution fantasy about woke trannies taking over the country and losing a war with China because they're too busy celebrating pride to fight a war.
What people seem to forget is that BLP was a freelancer to begin with. Yes, he'd been with the franchise since forever, but at some point he stopped being in-house. It doesn't matter what your relationship with the company heads is (Incidentally it wasn't good thanks to BLP being caustic even outside of political arguments), if you're a freelancer, you can be let go at any time for any or no reason.
>if you're a freelancer, you can be let go at any time for any or no reason.
Actually, as a freelancer, you aren't let go. You simply aren't rehired. Ironically, this is the one thing Pardoe got right in his complaining; he and Gina Carano got the same treatment. They simply didn't get rehired.
>BPL burned his own bridges
He was literally harassed by a chud for just being right-wing, and said chud then created a fake poll with fucking bots to oust him.
chud got found out, but nobody gave a shit because imaginary twitter buyers.
Can't believe /tg/ is so full of commie revisionists.
they do good enough shit and do not go woke
simple as that
firing an cunt is going woke, dontcha know?
>we dont want politics in gaming
>hello i am right wing. trump is a good president. i am opposed to the things antifa(anti fascist) believes. january 6 was a peaceful protest, do not gaze upon the footage of us beating a capital police officer and tasing him three times
>this kind of politics is okay, basically i dont want blacks and trans posting about my favorite game on twitter
>We are the anti bad guys and if you ever disagree with us you must be a bad guy
For what it's worth, they realized they were dealing with a psychotic trannie. 'Ace Keller', who spent ten years larping as a blonde lesbian nurse, has basically confessed he was an autogynephile. You can read it on his site, it's the most deranged thing ever. Reading between the lines, it was pretty clear he knew the gig was up.
Also, they actually asked Blane to promote Battletech: Mercenaries (according to his blog).
He refused, because he's done with them.
It's often really obvious when someone wants you gone for office politics reasons. You find women will band together to remove men they can't control and throw accusations at them. The moment they see blood in the water they try to lynch you and get you removed from your positions. A lot of "cancellings" are basically liberal women (or fake women) coordinating behind the scenes to remove wrong thinkers or to get positions for their friends in other companies. If you're a victim of this you have basically no desire to return to your old position because the snakes are still in control and you will be demoted and replaced entirely if they do anything but use your name for clout.
tl;dr Leftists are like Reddit moderators. There is always some gay discord or email group they use to set up gay ops against people they don't like.
I've seen that yeah. Women new hires periodically trying to get male bosses fired over drunkard she said he said shit when it's obvious 90% of them are just supporting their clique. Never gets anywhere because the two woman bosses belong to his clique and they also know it's just opportunism.
Is this some psy-op to get more people to sign up? Otherwise, why are you being salty, just don´t buy the product.
Battletech is still a thing?
shit that hasnt been relevant for what, twenty years?
its come back in a relatively big way. new video games, tabletop shit thats pretty accessible, all of the backlogged novels can now be ordered from Amazon, yadda yadda yadda-
If managed to bounce back amazingly, which is a living proof that presentation is all. The rules are just as arcane as they were in the 80s, but they updated the art and models, and it's raking in fat bucks now.
Be my Kurita girlfriend and play BattleTech with me.
The marketplace of ideas has spoken.
So all the chuds who ran to Battletech from 40K are getting filtered again lmao
Maybe screaming about trannies 24/7 doesn't work on stopping people buying franchises they like.
Aren’t most of these people just secondaries pulled in by that big red 40k YouTube influencer?
Also, why does he have 40k in his channel name? An attempt to attract from the 40k content consumer? Or did he try to start his YouTube career reading 40k wikis but found out that it was a very full market?
yes
He’s told people to leave Battletech after this controversy
A factor I don't think you are considering is the number of 40k refugees. 40k as a game is at the worst place it's ever been with unbalanced and bloated rules and extortionately high prices. The mechanics of the game have reached a point where it just isn't fun to play anymore. The stories of a game you can get a full army and all in one rulebook for less than $150 sounds like god damn magic to people who have known nothing but 40k their whole lives. The combination of the low price point and increasing discontent with Warhammer and Games Workshop as a whole has made BattleTech a very attractive offer. To add on top of it the vastly lower price means that it's far easier to get friends into the game, giving the growth of the game more momentum and it's potential market capacity so much higher.
For reference the average price for getting into 5th Edition D&D with a cap of the Players Guide, DM Guide and Monster Manual is higher than the cost to get the starter set. Contrary to belief this has nothing to do with sudden redditor approval due to cancelling but rather simple economics and a large group of people that are burned out from GW's abuse of their Wargame pseudo-monopoly.
Will 40k players really gravitate towards Battletech though? They're quite different games. I don't think 40k players will like sheets and hexmaps. Honestly they might benefit from something more niche like Infinity or Heavy Gear in terms of gameplay, though the aesthetic of BT might be closer to 40k than those two. Maybe alpha strike might get a boost in popularity?
They flocked after GW went "woke" but 40krefugees found that the BT audience has low tolerance for their retarded bullshit and didn't want to change.
Basically the people that feel alienated by these changes will never find a home, not because of the companies but because they themselves are bad people that others don't want to have around
that makes sense. BT players went through something much worse with WizKids and the Clicktech era. If that didn't kill BT nothing will, however I can see that making the fanbase on high alert for any real subversive elements. Catalyst basically is being forces to make Classic BT. So 40k players are most likely already being shown the door.
It's really no different when people from a nice little town find themselves overrun by people escaping from the crap of the big city who then outnumber the locals and start voting in the same policies that destroyed the cities in the first place. Far too many of the new crop of writers and developers are perfectly fine with pandering to the new customers and don't care if the people who stayed with the game for decades are pushed out in the process.
It will be fun to watch when those reddit and 40k players move on from BattleTech to the next new thing and BT is left foundering. Maybe then some rich fan who actually cares about the setting will be able to buy the property from Topps/Fanatic and clean house.
Reminds me of that time when Libertarians cause bears to destroy a city.
The BT audience is full of people who simp for Robotech retardation so that's not a surprise. The kind of people who "hate anime" but get very upset when you point out which japanese artists and storylines they're clearly ripping off, when they're not busy stealing from Dune.
bro, u retarded.
Most people think Robotech is cancer because the real estate company behind it pissed into their cereal bowl when they forced all originally japanese illustrations off the books.
The only people who like Robotech are Robotech fans.
The venn diagram between BT grogs and Robotech fans is a circle. I never met a RT fan in the wild outside of specifically BT oldtimers.
BT fans like Macross and the other constituent parts that were used to make Robotech.
Macross and Robotech aren't the same thing. Robotech is a mash of like three different IPs slammed together by some retards in a real estate company.
At least macross fans aren’t toxic gatekeeping racists
I know Robotech was a wild mashup of three separate shows, but what I mean is I have, with mine own eyes and ears, witnessed some old dude say Robotech was the superior show and that he thought Macross was stupid.
>BT fans like Macross and the other constituent parts that were used to make Robotech.
You people are out of your fucking minds.
I can go online and order an amazingly detailed, attractive rules book for 40k right now. Can I do that with BT…?
Yes, fairly easily. Best bit is, a lot of them are free
Okay, I’m in. Where can I get them…?
>http://www.usethefuckinggoogle.com/
Sure. Here's the starter box: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech-getting-started/products/battletech-a-game-of-armored-combat
Eight minis, 60$, two mapsheets, a rulebook, dice, a novella.
Here's the starter box with simpler rules if you don't want to commit to 60 bucks: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech-getting-started/products/battletech-beginner-box
Here's the Mech only rules: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-battlemech-manual-book-pdf-combo
Here's the "literally everything" rules: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-total-warfare-pdf
Here's the box set for the "minis and measuring" Variant ruleset: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-alpha-strike-box-set
Full Rulebook for that: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-alpha-strike-commanders-edition
>I want an RPG!!!!
Here's the neckbeard masturbate-to-my-sheet rules: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battletech-a-time-of-war-the-battletech-rpg-pdf
Here's the "rolling dice is a failure state" narrative play asshole rules: https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/mechwarrior-destiny
Here's the rules on how to play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv8WQlf2ML4&t=
Otherwise, you will need to expand your game further doing your thing. I have to go play Alpha Strike now. Comstar vs Clans
Is the starter box IS vs. Clan?
Alpha Strike box has 8 IS vs 5 Clanner mechs, the quickstart rules and unit cards in the box are for AS not classic BT, but the pilot cards can be used for both.
If I just want to play IS stuff is there a good starter?
Pretty sure the basic boxed set (BT:game of armed combat) has nothing but IS mechs.
Other than that, it helps to think of the game as a historical wargame, but in space in terms of collecting.
I'm just not really into the clan stuff. What about those little gacha packs you get? I like the idea of opening some mystery boxes and playing a game. I know they will be something of a rip-off, how much so?
$60 is very reasonable, purchase made. I haven’t tried to compare book quality to 40k / AoS, but those books are $60 by themselves so it’s ridiculous for me to expect the same degree of lavishness — I do hope though it’s not awful.
That's what made Warmachine and Hordes, but 40k rebooted for the 4th time and all the 40k paypigs went right back. I wouldn't expect battletech to survive much longer under it's current direction. Old grogs are the life blood of battletech and they're not happy with the direction the writers have taken it. The fad will do and then you'll join us warmachine players..
>He doesn't know about the sun forcing kickstarters not to deliver.
Oh... oh dear. Hope the sun doesn't target YOU.
There's also the problem of plastic quality quite often which is why I stopped backing KS. Great minis then... they're plastic made of used condoms from china.
Oh piss off grogs are death
That's certainly a fair assessment. I completely agree with it. My post was not in approval of the decisions but rather to highlight how the economic advantages of the game place it in a position of rapid potential growth.
If anything the greed of the executives realizing this will be the death of BattleTech as they try to make a reckless push for the "wider audience" also known as Twitter. I fully expect for within the next 3-5 years for a new "edition" of BattleTech to be released with the intent to cater to "modern tastes".
We all know what happens when people with money stumble onto a lively unmilked IP that has gone under the radar. I've seen it happen plenty of times. It's like a pack of hyenas ripping into a live animal in slow motion over the course of years.
BattleTech is very much in the early stages of infection when it comes to "mainstream decay" which is characterized by incredibly rapid growth and a sort of a feeling of boundless optimism from the belief that their niche game is finally getting the recognition it deserves. You can see this in the start of 5e and late 7th edition 40k which saw a absolutely massive surge of interest in the game.
Then comes the staff restructuring which sees the shedding of veteran staff along with a massive influx of new employees who have never heard of the game before. This process takes around 2-5 years. It usually starts with a handful of really big names leaving the company before a more gradual attrition kicks in.
Next is the HR poisoning, where the new HR department gradually fills the staff with incompetent 0 value employees who have no passion for what they are doing and are more focused on re-writing things to appeal to twitter.
Finally the game reaches terminal stage where the HR poison makes all the decisions and the game is doomed to a slow, agonizing death over 10 or more years of gradually fading interest as people get sick of the increasingly stupid shit and low quality products.
Shut the fuck up
My apologies for the reddit spacing.
I guess to expand my points right now a lot of the big games are in this terminal stage where the setting has been diluted to the LA flavored slop and it's beginning it's final death throes as the rules department is infested with idiots and the core gameplay that drew people and allowed people to stomach the lore changes is now starting to fall apart. Often this is accompanied by stupid decisions from on high, such as Magic: The Gathering's overprinting.
Magic the gathering is the most likely to implode soon, the set quality has gone down and the speculation and scalping market is out of control while the prices only rise. D&D with the OGL is functionally immortal, despite WoTC's best efforts to kill it, but this golden goose is tied exclusively to the fact that 5e is the idiot's game of choice. They aren't profiting from the OGL. There are only so many people who will buy a copy of the players guide, DM guide and monster manual. Their attempt to transition into a subscription based model is a clear sign that there is concern over the sustainability of their current business model, and trying capitalize on the legacy content that hasn't gotten reprints in this hypothetical mega edition.
40k's lore death didn't begin at the gathering storm but mid-Horus Heresy and is a unique case of a game decaying before the rise of Californian Imperialism. Due to it not being stationed in America the decay of it's gameplay has been more from a hyperactive attempt to appeal to competitive players rather than it being only from incompetent staff. The edge that will extend it's life, is the most dedicated whales in any industry I've ever seen. It costs $60 to get a 5 man squad. Compare that to the gameplay value a gacha game would give you for that money. I suspect GW can take 15 more years of near constant decline. It is a Hobbesian leviathan, that like the Imperium of Man, has the financial scale to survive on pure inertia.
That sounds about right to me. Battle tech games didn't do so well recently did they? I heard one had an in your face chud and skipped it. But I was never much into battletech tbh, I enjoyed the online game and painting a few models for fun.
If you're arguing with me and say "post your models" I know you're trying to dox me. If I know my opinions can be used against me, I make sure nothing I say can be tied to my real identity. I can post my models all over the place and no one will ever know I hate morons. But.. I do hate morons and you have seen my models.
Lastly, right wing people are usually community focused, unlike the terminally online lefties. They don't need to post on twitter for validation on how well their dwarf unit is painted. They will turn on to their mates house and get "oh they're nice" and have a target painted on their back for that game because all freshly painted units must be wiped out in their first game. It's an unwritten law of tabletop gaming
tl;dr right wingers won't let you dox them and they don't need your validation on social media.
> I know you're trying to dox me
Chill out, Blaine Fondue.
>then you'll join us warmachine players.
We've done much better then you gays
Fasa closed up shop, there was the dork age clix shit
and still BT wend on wards.
>arch
are you like a retard or anything.
this is clearly a bait thread, at best t's here to get teh sigmarxists that cross post here to give some sort of hew and cry about how the chuds are over.
Even though 1. sub =/= actual money and 2.i earnestly believe it's people trying to get plastic scuplts.
Please be my gf... i think chuds are hot and i will never make you top me
The writer brought back smoke jaguars and is notoriously difficult to work with.
He wasnt fired for being a chud, the drama at the end just gave management a reason to axe him.
And he's only written one decent novel and thats highlander gambit
>Destroying the Black isn't enough
>we must also reduce him to servitude to the Republic
As based and redpilled as the conveniently completely empty, yet completely functional warp bus station dimension in The Expanse.
>what did the expanse mean by this
The Schrödinger's native americans of this westwards expansion were gone4reels, leaving proper human beans to inherit the universe once again.
>most popular
Why should I give a fuck again?
Good for you anon, congrats on beating the suicide rates of your average right winger in modern day climate.
>Get excited for new product!
And 40k wokeness is at a very mild level. You can fully ignore a black Astartes, just give him a white head or keep his helmet on. There’s nothing in fluff that calls out racial stuff, unless it’s space fantasy stuff like Space Wolves turning into furries or Night Lords looking like vampires, etc. The only place you can see chud content is Slaanesh, but they’re SUPPOSED to be grotesquely screwed up and weirdly sexualized. They generate horror by putting out magic musk which makes you see these twisted monsters as super attractive.
If more people are backing this than before, it sounds like they did the opposite of tell their fanbase to fuck off.
>they literally told their fanbase to fuck off
i don't follow bt what was this?
OP thinks having chud lore means the company is telling all the fanbase to fuck off.
So basically 40kids jumped to Battletech got called out for being racist loud mouths and losers and are now saying Battletech has fallen to?
Is arch Warhammer trying to start shit again? I
Wouldn't putting it past him, he been quite sad his kiddy diddle nazi circus got called out and GW asked him to stop.
you mean the infulencer formerly known as arch warhammer?
Is he trying to save Battletech or something
A thread died for this cancer:
>Blaine got shafted but he's on to better things.
>"Lemmings will support the kickstarter" fucking let them, they're not as autistically involved and looking into the behind the scenes bullshit that lots of us are with CGL's bullshit.
>I'm literally going to steal from CGL from now on, by my own choice, since they're seemingly going in a shit direction overall and I refuse to give them my money.
Just do your due diligence and steal where you can, print where you can, and call MadCap a gay where you can to deny them money as much as possible (and piss off that gay commie). If others still want to support it? Well that's there fucking decision, stop whining about the shit you can't control and start doing something about the shit you CAN.
I've just bought the AS box, I'll enjoy getting more mechs to fill out the army list. I hope the IS command lance gets restocked locally so I can get the glaug.
Good for you, I'mma steal the AS main rulebook through PDF.
And good for you, I am not ideologically opposed to the concept of filesharing.
And this right here is how we all make friends. You're alright anon
So what game will you based poltards try to go to now?
The game where they jump from a building
No one gives a fuck about political shit.
Fire the right wing writer? No one cares, they'll still buy your stuff.
Be transphobic? No one cares, they'll still buy your stuff.
>North Korean eldar
They couldn't even do the meme right and make them Tau?
The liberal humanist model of human rights is a very specific political and philosophical model emerging from very specific historical context position it itself as a universal.
So…..Catalyst owns the IP? FASA is gone? If so, why is the owning company putting out kickstarters?
Because Catalyst doesn't want BT. You want new BT stuff, you gotta pay for it.
Topps owns the IP, not Catalyst. Catalyst basically steers the ship in every way that matters, but they don't own it.
>FASA is gone?
Shit anon, I know you just got out of a coma but sit down, there's been some stuff since the willennium.
Just let him live in ignorant bliss, the past 25 years have been a ride he doesn't need to know about.
It's too obscure system for anyone to care or remember it exists.
"Trans rights" isn't human rights, its additional privileges. As in the privilege of not being forced to confront reality.
Haha, you’re being marginalized.
Look, the fastest way to reduce the frequency of transsexuality in the population is to allow for complete transition and bottom surgery to occure on as many of them as possible. Gays can breed, whether they're in the closet or not, but fully transitioned transsexuals can not.
You can literally have your cake and eat it, you just gotta have enough impulse control to wait for it to be baked in this case.
Pretty much this, if we just had to wait for the population of trannies to reduce by 41% each year, thats one thing. But the fact is they keep trying to infect kids with this shit in their young age and confuse the fuck out of them, and a lot of it isn't even people with ACTUAL body dysmorphia, but degenerate gays who want to live their fucking fetish instead of keeping it private like every other goddamn person on the planet.
My dude, you're saying most teenagers wish they were born as the other sex for long enough to a diagnosis and then wait years (current avg. wait time in the UK just to start hormones is 5 years) to get on pills let alone get surgery that can cost upwards of $10k?
Did you wish you were born as the other sex as a teen, anon?
NTA but it's extremely disingenous to present like the average MtF goes through the NHS process for hormones instead of DIYing.
Yes, mutilating children's genitals naturally is only legal up to two hours after delivery.
Answer the question, man.
The answer wasn't directed at me, Just pointing out how easy it is to spot your kind even in text.
I'm sure you have plenty of experience transvestigating.
You don't need to be Sherlock to pay attention to dialect.
But you do need to pay attention to notice the dialect. Close attention. Lots of research. So much time spent researching trannies. Shemales. Femboys. Futas.
Not him but the fact Trannoids use words like Seethe, Chud and other such retarded Zoomerspeak unironically is pretty easy to track.
Cope and seethe originated from Ganker, you retard. Jesus, the 2016 eternal summer gays are the worst.
Cope and Seethe originated from retarded children coming to this site post-2016 you fucking retard.
Just go back to twitter, you can shout trans rights and use your retarded childspeak with glee there.
Does it literally take you that much brain power? Jesus, now I feel bad dunking on the mentally impared.
So you're just thinking about trannies and their dialect as sort of background noise? They're always there, rent-free in your head?
For christ sake shut the fuck up. You're not being witty repeating the same tired lines over and over again as people call you out for being an outlying political drudge.
You sound like that cunt people only interact with at the club or store to play games with and nothing else. Just stop.
No, i am just trying to understand just how many trannies are in your head. Cause you seem very invested into the topic.
I'm not even the same fucking anon you were trying to quip with you invalid.
I'm just sick of seeing the exact same "Argument" over and over again where you off-board socialist losers get called out so you resort to trying to sound smart with phrases like "Rent Free and Seethe".
Do you know what I do when I see idiots like you, I sigh a little knowing some low IQ mongoloid is out there literally unable to converse with people on an anonymous image board without resorting to fucking slogans.
You talk like a fucking AI.
Do you constantly think about the fact that Texan's say Y'all when talking with them, or the accent of someone from Minnesotta? or do you just notice after a few times?
Get woke, not broke, anon. Turns out most people don't care about culture war issues.
I think its more that the woke side of the culture war is currently more profitable. The prolific amount of community posting about being anti-hate, etc. at least points towards culture war issues being profitable. It will be interesting to see what happens with wargaming and tabletop during/after this recession.
Did you wish to be born as the other sex as a teen, anon? You said it was common, so i just want to know.
Anon, everyone here wants to be a permae-boi. Why ask this question? There's a reason there's so much rage on Ganker.
Nah. Everyone just enjoy kicking some chuds while they're on the ground and seething about absolutely nothing.
>17k people
I have no idea whats going on but by the looks of it its dead. Whats the point of this thread and lefty politics spamming?
Look here, transition isn't some magic where you pop a pill and go home. It's a process that takes years and is even mostly reversable as nature isn't one to be driven out by a pitchfork in the first place. So creating legal and easily accessible ways to transition means that no random chud penis slasher (who isn't working in a hospital delivering male infants, mind you) can cut up children's genitals any longer. Bottom surgery is, in any case, the very end point of transition rather than the first step - and with information on and care for transsexuals being easily available, any Tom or Jane (future Jane or Tom) could easily find out that the chud groomer is a criminal.
I furthermore recall that the same kinda people who're now warning us of genital mutilations happening out of delivery wards were big on how teaching sex ed to kids was literal grooming too.
Yet they conveniently never mentioned all the infants that got infected with their teenage mother's STDs after they got their way and schools stopped teaching sex ed.
You seem very desperate to show sexual things to children anon.
>reversible
Thanks, didn't need to read the rest of your bullshit after that.
>reversable
lol
Literally on Wikipedia. It's not like Mastectomy is some kind of forbidden wizardry either, if the detransed male absolutely doesn't want his fun bags any longer.
As for FtMs, they generally aren't part of this discussion to any extend.
>Mostly reversable
>ones that are reversable are minor things like hair and body fat distribution
>Permanant ones are literal body changing with the first one being permnant right away
Right, so again tell us why you think these things which can cause permanant effects and can hamper natural growth should be given to children again?
>Transition literally kills trannies faster
So... there's no downside to supporting transition?
It reduces their ability to breed, it kills them sooner and they will suffer from ironic ailments that are directly related to the process... and by supporting that, you get showered with praise for how liberal and enlightened you are.
Children suffering is good and politically desired. Allowing transsexual castrators too run free means that the weak get filtered out earlier and more decisively, making it a great addition to abstinence-only sex ed.
I don't want my medical tax money going to fuel pointless vanity projects and child molestation sessions for a bunch of degenerate weirdos to be honest.
Trans people need to shut up and stop acting like they're worth anything more than others.
I do. We need more molestation. Maybe society might function for once.
This. Too many of the great minds of our civilization are sex pest and molesters. We clearly aren't going to win against China of we keep restraining our national potential unduly.
Nah man, its not the people suffering actual mental issues that need to die out; its the degenerate fucks who encourage this shit that need to be weeded out, otherwise we're just going to get more and more...
This, the whole reason the entire "Trans kids" stuff exists is because of weird cult-like indoctrination and pushing of ideology on children.
I've had people say they are proud that their 1 year old son wears a dress, when their grandfather has pictures of him as a baby in a dress because little baby clothes were basically all simple dresses or one-pieces.
It shouldn't be supported at all, because it does serious, irreparable harm to the autistic and mentally ill instead of helping them.
>Wikipedia
Again, didn't have to read shit after that.
They use chemical castration drugs as puberty blockers. The body doesn't magically stay paused in puberty as you grow without side effects, and even then you never fully finish out the puberty you were supposed to experience.
You don't fuck around with a healthy body's hormones you dumb gay.
>Wikipedia
And where do you get your information? Fox News? 4chan infographs? Glowie statistics?
Lol he dunked you dipshit, quit while you still have some dignity.
He didn't dunk on shit. He's just spewing the same brainwashed bullshit that every other culture warrior spouts. Wikipedia isn't perfect but I trust it a hell of a lot more than some anonymous shitposters or outright propaganda.
You trust a list that literally as a guidelines part of their references?
There is no way this isn't curated infomation.
I mean your chart right there seems more like a bucket list trying to sell HRT than actually listen pros and cons.
Even then look at references F.
>Widening and rounding of the Pelvis
Do you know how fucking horrible that is for a man who doesn't actually need the space in the pelvis?
>Gets called out for using Wikipedia as a source
>"OH yeah, what's YOUR source?"
moron it definitely SOUNDS like you got assfucked.
I'm not evem the same anon arguing for trans rights. I don't care but I find it hilarious how somehow demonarereal.org is a trustworthy source over something curated like wikipedia.
Stay mad anon
>Curated like Wikipedia
One of the biggest issues Wikipedia has is that it is not impartial on it's articles, especially on hot topics like HRT. I mean the very info we have seen seems to downplay how much it fucks your prostate for example.
I agree. Wikipedia isn't the end all be all and if all the academic resources say that HRT is good when in truth it isn't then that's what's going to be feed to Wikipedia. It's going to get even worse with generative AI. But I do think Wikipedia is a great equalizer in information rather than having extreme bias.
>Great equalizer
>no extreme bias
Not even close
Academic sources cannot received their credentials and become academics in the first place unless they sign DEI statements pledging loyalty to woke doctrine.
Nothing is real, everything is fake
You'll feel better once you wake up from that solipsistic coma.
So is the future of humanity just everyones personal schizo delusions? I guess that makes me right 100%
He's just going through babbys first Nihilism streak, it's fine for every 12 year old on the internet.
>It's going to get even worse with generative AI.
Considering that Wikipedia only ever had the fact that it was free going for it, AI shitposting reducing its relevance won't be an actual material loss to humanity.
So you were not here when the chud moderator for Wikipedia was discovered basically going full Orwellian on articles that went against Transexuals?
A great example of something like this is the article for Gdansk. It used to be that the article's name was changed to and from Danzig about daily.
How exactly do you reverse hormone imbalances that cause skeletal weakness and deformation?
>is even mostly reversable
Someone hasn't done their research. Enjoy your fucked up bones, cancer, and organ failure.
Maybe there's more of them then you in the hobby?
Or in the vernacular of the day, "LOL, REEEEEE Much?"
Jesus christ this thread is like a twitter immigrant holding centre.
Either way, firing a writer who has been with the franchise for decades is always a bad idea because you cannot replace experience.
Getting some random trannoid for clout on twitter would be even more hilarious as Trannies are utterly devoid of any creative motive, hence why most of them are codemonkeys like furries.
It's discord trannies and Matt Austin on twitter.
Exactly, literal bog-beasts who hold no thought other than their own sexual deviancy in their heads who have been fed so many self affirming slogans from corporations they honestly confuse their crossdressing kinks for some divine higher purpose.
>Either way, firing a writer who has been with the franchise for decades is always a bad idea because you cannot replace experience.
There are better-written fanfics on wattapad than 99% of BT novels. Replacing "experience" in this case can only improve the product.
No there isn't. Look, I get it, you're some weirdo who had very few friends and even fewer role models so you dived head first into the political tribal shitflinging match.
But the fact that almost all modern media is very flat and very bad proves you wrong on every account. Nobody cares about trans people other than the religious zealots using them as a meatshield and the corporations using them as a walking slogan board.
Normal people care a whole lot after they come face to face with them and their "work".
you are on Ganker, you are not normal.
Care implies affection. People simply tiptoe around the overly sensitive cretins to avoid setting one off and the overbearing powers that be ruining their life for introducing reality to the poor mentally deranged freakshow.
So Battletech is not based?
Battletech is based, but some of the writers and editors in current CGL are cringe.
Battletech has always been a weird mix of based and cringe. Look up the eridani light horse controversy.
>stealing japanese designs
of course not, there's better western mecha.
Trans people don't get special rights. That's not how human rights works.
Natural rights are those that are not dependent on the laws or customs of any particular culture or government, and so are universal, fundamental and inalienable (they cannot be repealed by human laws).
Legal rights are those bestowed onto a person by a given legal system (they can be modified, repealed, and restrained by human laws). Politics is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, such as creating or enforcing legal codes.
Any human or trans rights which are not inalienable are, by definition, political. Any trans or human rights which are not political are, by definition, inalienable.
Note there are no inalienable rights. All can be repealed by force. All rights, even "inalienable" ones are paper and predicated on the existence of a Soul or soul-stand-in.
This is still all necessarily a political positioning.
I can not appeal my inalienable right to life while drowning in the ocean.
My inalienable right to free speech or property or whatever can be taken by a variety of means regardless of whatever the paper says about inherent value of being.
Inalienable rights is a statement, not a matter of fact you fucking retard.
Inalienable rights means quite literally, rights that should not be infringed by the state, AND IF THEY ARE, then it is a clear sign for the people to remove the state doing so.
No inalienable right has clauses or What ifs. You either have those rights, or you do not.
You don't have them. They're just paper. Its not a quality you have. Its an ought and a should, aka bullshit. Its very alienable. Even the name is a lie.
Are you an ESL or just a moron?
The point of the name is that they SHOULD NOT BE INFRINGED.
They are the rights that should not be infringed. It's not that you can't infringe those rights, it's that they SHOULD NOT.
Inalienable is actually posited as inherent and unable to be taken away. This is necessarily false.
Should and ought are not is and are.
Positing them as such is an untenable position although effective are motivating retards.
The idea of rights is they are ideals and freedoms given unto people under a form of social agreement, they are inherent as they are laid down as equal ideals and freedoms to all within the legal framework.
The Inalienable part the point that these given rights are not to be taken away as they form the cornerstone of rights themselves.
You arguing sophistry about how rights are not natural laws is pointless and shows how you are wanting to win through semantics instead ot tackling the issues of rights.
I could pin you down and slit your flabby pale neck from ear to ear, would you argue that I am not crossing any lines? Or if I pouned your flat skull into dust, am I not harming you?
>I could pin you down
>doubt.jpg
But besides that, you're missing the point that the original documents your defending actually posit it as inherent and inviolable as an extension of God and the Soul as superseding even natural laws. Its bullshit. Its the wrong word. Stop using it.
How about I don't and you pathetic little faux Darwinists can stop pretending humanity is an entirely logical animal.
the rights exist because we want them to be the core part of civilisation and to not crush ourselves under the big retarded machine that is Government. We make up excuses about god because god is the biggest equaliser we have.
>he thinks I think we're rational
lol
lmao even
>the rights exist because we want them to
They don't exist as inalienable. They exist as extensions of statecraft.
They are inalienable because we wish them to be Inalienable. The state has no hold on these rights bar enforcement.
People have fought the state for rights before, ergo you pathetic little sophist.
Your wishes mean about as much as you can put them in a bucket or build a bridge to the moon with them.
You can fight for rights, which are then held by whatever replacement state you fill in if your revolutionary whatever is successful, but they will always be predicated on the ability to exercise force. That's actually the foundational premise of your claim as well.
>Rights are only ever won through revolution.
If we're talking about governance, my wishes and dreams are as much reality as the entity we call government anyway, they're both products of higher thinking wishing to promote order onto chaotic man-apes.
I do wonder if you're the same retard as
who tries to claim Hobbes was wrong and nobody ever listened to him while spouting the exact same theory Hobbes codified.
As far as I can tell we're dancing around Stirner because everyone is too embarrassed to say
>spook
I'd say your wishes and dreams are less reality based on your more limited capacity to actualize them compared to statehood which is more or less a self perpetuating monster at this point.
I am for sure not the ironic distancing macro spam idiot though.
because I instinctively end the line when I get to the edge of my type box on Ganker.
Either way Stirner's argument even falls right onto my side of the point: the rights exist because people demanded them, people also demanded they be inalienable, so they are so.
Claiming the state can remove them is pointless because ANYONE can remove the rights, the term is to point out to cross them is a taboo.
They don't exist unless people enforce them. The demands of 'the people' are never enforced by 'the people' they are always enforced by different mechanisms.
They can not be inalienable. They can be called inalienable or inherent incorrectly, 'the people' are wrong a lot.
Claiming the state can remove them is the point. The are not inherent or inalienable. They are culturally preferred and developed, important, useful, contestable, subject to specific historical context, etc. but they are not inalienable no matter how hard you cry.
The only one here crying about them being called inalienable is you because your 'tism brain can't handle something not being literal.
>wanting clear terms to disambiguate complex sociopolitical discussion is bad autism
Okay? Its a simple shift, it even saves time to just call them
>rights
instead of lieing about them being inalienable and getting excited about it when called on it.
>the term is to point out to cross them is a taboo.
Nah, other anon
The point is being able to weaponize them against your enemies, while ignoring when you violate them to give you or your allies an advantage. It's what USA always did.
These "rights" are straight up build on USA's and the West's influence and power over the world. Not on a referendum.
>A country is not applying it's own rights to others that means it's bad
Why would a country afford it's rights to it's enemies anon?
>under a form of social agreement,
which is based on?
Where did it come from?
Oh that's right it's based on the values of the society that were particular and specific, but i can't remember what would form the particular and specific values of our own.
Care to remind me?
Which rights should not be infringed by the states are, then, a matter of politics (or philosophy).
They would be, but we ironed them out like 200 years ago, every other supposed right people cry about stems from them.
Human rights are inalienable in the sense that your ability to remain alive will be strongly impacted by their violation.
If they aren't guaranteed, you're simply on the fast lane to becoming organic refuse somewhere.
They aren't guaranteed. Ever. Its not how statehood manifests. It necessarily requires the capacity to revoke them at will to preserve its capacity to enforce them in others.
They aren't meant to be guaranteed in their original inception. They were abstract, emergent rights that describe the laws of society and international relations that come into power where people aren't trying to turn each other into lawn decorations and nations aren't trying to turn each other into historic research fields.
A nation (and, back in the days, a people) could go as far as to put them into actual law and nations could form treaties between each other to secure them, but without that, nobody got struck by lightining or hounded by biblical plagues for breaking them ever.
>back in the day
Nah, they were always a tool of the emergent upper middle class to mobilize the lower classes to supplant the ruling families. This is not to say there have not been strong benefits for many due to this. Civil society can be a pain in the ass but its a lot easier than the alternatives. But the rights have always been revocable and describing them as inalienable has always required a belief in the soul to hold, and has only held as much as the paper they were written on. aka not at all when it comes down to it, or if the enforcement mechanisms are having a bad day, or if the ruling class has deep enough pockets, or etcetcetc.
>they weren't meant to be guaranteed
Then stop calling them inalienable or inherent.
>Then stop calling them inalienable or inherent.
You will literally stop being alive when they aren't being adhered to. They are inalienable because you will soon stop being a person when they are no longer applied.
They are both inherend and inalienable as you have to be deprived of your means of livelyhood, either or both spiritually and physically, or of your very life for them to actually be extinguished.
They aren't inalienable in a nice way, like fucking Batman bursting through the window to beat up the baddies every time they're broken, they're inalienable because not having them will be what caused you to be removed from the realm of the living.
That's not how Inalienable rights work, otherwise the dumbass communists crying about shelter and food being free have a point.
Inalienable rights are those that MUST exist for people to exist as free people, If they do not have them, they are not free and ergo must act to become free.
It is necessarily impossible for an inalienable thing to be removed.
Retard skeleton anon is trying to say something along the sophist lines of
>when your inalienable right is removed you die so you are technically not a person anymore so it can't be taken from you
You're both wrong though. There are no inalienable rights. That's a mythological fiction with great political utility, but not an actual thing.
The entire premise of inalienable rights is that if they are not to be infringed, that they are lines not to be crossed.
The entire premise is
which is some absurd bullshit that has been extended to an even sillier degree by saying its value is in the paper it is written on as ensured by the state.
Its not inalienable, to refer to it as such is a lie.
If they can be removed from you, they are alienable. A wide variety of rights in the UN Universal Declaration do not result in death if removed.
>inalienable right to not be tortured
>be tortured
>how could this happen to meeee?
Personhood itself is a statehood category not an inherent position.
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say at this point, you're just making a batman metaphor and trying to post old macros?
That's because the UN Universal Declaration stretches far beyond what's covered by basic natural human rights.
> what's covered by basic natural human rights
Who covers those in an inalienable way?
The simple fact that you'll soon stop being alive or find living a good bit more strenous if they're being violated does. They're emergent whenever you can go on about your life unmolested and deal with people as if they weren't thinking of how to prepare you for tonight's dinner.
So you have no source except an appeal to common man or some shit. Doesn't cut it, not common enough to consider inalienable.
Well it was until we let immigrants in. Turns out the developing world really WAS full of lesser humans.
They are inalienable because all our capacity for thought and action is granted by God. Wise law reflects that God intended for man to have his own mind, and to set the course of his own life.
Ah, there we go. If you have to fall back to that there isn't much more to be done conversationally. You can likely meet your god sooner if you try and hold that position though. I advise you try it and report back to us about it.
The original study of natural laws was literally just listing all the crimes against humanity authors could find written source documentation for. Like fucking literally. The point being that there clearly was not act that was "illegal" by nature. State actors could decide to not be monsters, but there was no compulsion to, other than their personal conviction that it might be sensible to slow down with the war crimes at this point of time.
But because that made for a kinda depressing study, so scholars eventually turned to the question of what might be the minimal rights are that clearly apply whenever there's no universal civil war. From that, two strains emerged - Hobbes and all the rest of the Western Judeo-Christian world.
Hobbes countinued to argue along the lines of the early modern "the universal civil war is the natural state"-type argument and proposed that laws that oppose this state are made up, fake and gay. They all were unreasonable restrictions people had to subject themselves to stop murdering each other though. Because in humanity's natural state, peace was simply impossible.
Meanwhile, the rest of the western world moved towards the posiition that there is in fact a basic set of natural rights that emerge whenever people aren't engaging in Hobbes' natural civil war. They found that there are actual regularities to situations when people consistently not murder their fellow men and that legal peace among men could clearly be established on the basis of that. Yes, even without Hobbes' unreasonable laws of the Leviathan.
Human rights and international rights as we know them emerged from that. They are extremely minimal and they aren't enforcable legally, but they basically propose that there is actually a natural state of peace we can strive towards. Most people liked that and subscribed.
Weird that all the geopolitical and international relations, as well as individual state relations and individual civil relations use hoobes while professing the other huh?
Yes. As natural rights are emergent rather than enforced or established, states have to enter into treaty relations if they want to put teeth to them.
Natrual law doesn't have a Batman, God or The Constitution behind it. They're simply descriptive of the minimal regularities that occure in the conduct of people and nations in a natural state of peace.
>It's weird that people follow Hobbes despite me trying to argue the contrary
Weird flex, but I have a distinct feeling you're a socialist anyway so logic has no bearing on your mind.
Can't tell if you're using
>natural
in a weird Joseph Campbell sort of way or something else.
We're not separable from governance like that, even prehistoric groupings are a mixture of formal and informal in constant tension/reification. The clean break between natural rights and civil rights doesn't exist the way you want it to, or perhaps refering to them as
>Law
instead of
>tendency
is too much of a stretch.
Not sure where the batman thing is coming from though.
It's babby's first Nihilist rant anon, he just wants to sound big and strong claiming only thing real is force and violence and rights and not real and neither is god.
He's not going to even attempt to understand how all rights fundamentally stem from instinctual needs filled by people.
>Right to property is because people instinctively gather resources for themselves
>Right to speech is because people instinctively communicate no matter the topic.
>Right to self is because people will instinctively fight to keep autonomy.
And so on and so forth. The guy is an idiot, who both tries to belittle abstract concepts while viewing humans entirely in the abstract.
This is peak revisionism. Imagine trying to claim Rousseau was a bigger influence on English Common Law Philsophy than Hobbes.
All Russeau lead to was the French Revolution and the colossal repeating joke that is collectivism and Socialism.
Dunno where you live, but Rosseau's politics are taught as: "This is the guy who held the door for Totalitarianism and all the two-bit dicators who claimed that they're juuuuuuuuuusst enforcing the will of the people."
Luckily, there were other writers working on the field of natural law before and around that time. It's why the US Constitution has a Swissman's fingerprints all over it as the founding fathers were swapping Vattel's book like it was a forest porn stash they recently discovered.
In any case, the point being that Hobbes disagreed with the idea that there could exist a natural state of peace while most other writers eventually found the argument to the contrary more... agreeable.
This isn't to say that Hobbes was wrong. These are philosophical stances and Hobbes' argument towards the need for a social contract was meant to be the more practically applicable one from the outset while the minimalist, bare bon natural rights/human rights in a state of natural peace-discourse was pushed by people writing under the yoke of all manners of rising absolutist princes who were undermining and dismantling existing rights and constitutional structures within Europe wherever and whenever. They were literally trying to find something, anything that could not be taken from them and reasons why that should be the case. Because they really couldn't stop their princes from giving it their best shot all the same.
ntayrt also
>the point being that Hobbes disagreed with the idea that there could exist a natural state of peace
This is a bad reading of hobbes. He would likely argue that there is not possibility of perpetual peace (that's a different guy's problem but we're at 0ver 300 and getting into Kant and his shit is not a thing I'm up for today) but there are specific and frequent references to the creation of civil society through sovereign statehood methods.
Even then, the difference remains that Hobbes argues from a natural state of war while natural rights argue from a natural state of peace.
Hobbes didn't care. Anything is fine to him as long as people would just stop murdering each other over whether Jesus would beat the everliving shit outta people whishing each other a merry christmas or not. His opponents, on the other hand, proposed that the exact minimal state of law required for peace can clearly be defined. The social contract need not be arbitrary and can be quite liberal rather than oppressive.
He really doesn't. Even in the introduction he goes over where there are not natural states to refer to based on human engagement and complexity. He argues that it can be quite violent, but that there are degrees of violence that are more or less conducive to all the non-violent stuff we would rather get up to.
The entire point of this thread is to bait you into being banned.
Your ashamed parents will put on your grave your true gender. Cope & Dilate
This thread got interesting
It's what happens when jannies don't do their job.
take your meds schizo
>Catalyst Game Labs recently suspended publishing new works by long-time BattleTech author Blaine Lee Pardoe, primarily due to Mr. Pardoe’s online activities which do not align with Catalyst’s publishing vision. This has nothing to do with Mr. Pardoe’s quality of work or ongoing sales, or (as reported elsewhere) his personal feud(s) with other fan(s) of the BattleTech brand. Mr. Pardoe has been instrumental to the BattleTech IP over the years, and we wish him well in his ongoing, professional career. This decision was made in consultation with Topps Entertainment, owners of the BattleTech intellectual property, but final determination was by Catalyst Game Labs.
Literally the most lukewarm sacking ever.
Let me guess. Free market's and the ability of a company to do as it likes (As the right cries bloody murder is should have the right to do) is bad when it's someone you agree with?
If it bothers you, do something about it. Seething on /tg/ isn't going to change fate.
Why do leftists like you really enjoy turning everything into sludge? is it because that is all you yourself can produce?
Ugly, stupid people want to make everything ugly and stupid.
It wasn't even their decision. The IP got sold decades ago and somebody working for the current actual IP owner told them that Pardoe makes for bad optics for the brand currently owns it.
As someone who missed the first kickstarters I'm genuinely excited to get a big batch of mechs to play with.
Then why are there non-trans trans political activists?
>join the game just a few months ago
>already full-on political drama over buying plastic
Can't escape this shit.
>he thinks kickstarter is anything other than sockpuppet accounts being used to pump hype
is there any hope for zoomers?
Why do threads about actual games get half as much engagement as a thread that's just an anti-chud circlejerk?
I miss old /tg/
Easy, mods don't exist but 4chan next door does.
>it's 4chan
don't forget bunkercucks and siggies
Most of those left are just stuck raging at everything in traditional gaming. The rest has been chased away by the negativity or moved on in general.
chuds weren't as common and groomed as they are today. Old /tg/ was better due to less chuds having influence in games.
You drastically overestimate the influence of 3% of the population. You are lunging at shadows and it's embarrassing for anyone not sharing in the delusion to watch.
>You drastically overestimate the influence of 3% of the population.
They are much, much less than 3%, not even 0,5%, but it doesn't matter.
Their quantity is irrelevant if their political activists have influence on the right places and on social media. There are many ways for how a minority can enforce it's wishes on a majority.
Pic related for example is a manual book written by a dude on Harvard, teaching how to use mass media to ideologically manipulate populations into following his morals.
Let's also forget it's not the Trannoids themselves, but the entire apparatus of Critical Theory and intersectionality that aids them. Transexuals are one of the apex of victims in their own philosphical spheres, the sexual deviants at the very edge of even the LGBT community, the outcasts of the outcasts, and therefore must be pushed to the forefront and celeberated as the most important among them. It's why the TERF Rebellion is so hilarious, because it's not radical right wingers or evil white men, it's the same people who used to praise the intersectional dogma hating the fact they are being pushed aside for primacy.
ntayrt
It has been sadly amusing watching revolutionary or at least rebellious left radical queer and feminist movements get coopted by suburban white boys in blackface to turn it into another consumer option and method of recapture.
How the shit is this thread still up?
The actual majority is neutral. No one fucking cares about trannies but you and that's why it's embarrassing, how do you not understand that?
>Can't disprove the post
>Immediately gaslight
Also see
The same people constantly pushing for representation of all "Minorities" as if they are not already overrepresented are the same ones screaming about how trannoids need to be able to groom children.
>can't disprove the post, immediately attempt to deflect by calling gaslight
lol
>The actual majority is neutral.
Wut?
Why you think that is a refutation? The SAME book mentions that, and that's why a minority on the right places can force a change in beliefs I'm larger populations.
Is that why you guys came to this board to spam 24/7 back in 2014?
no, u, fag.
Ok, where did this meme come from? I need the sauce
I've found it weird how many chud Discord moderators there are. Smaller game discords have normal people as moderators but once a discord reaches a certain population the chances that some or all the moderators are trans increases disproportionately.
>You drastically overestimate the influence of 3% of the population
>minorities cannot have disproportionate power.
Bro that's not a good argument.
There's naturally a difference between 3% (Native Americans) and 3% (people so rich that they forgot that they've been funding a couple of nation-wide psyops for decade and a half)
Are you talking about garden gnomes?
I recall some Israeli chick bitterly complaining that nobody in Israel can afford a home that wasn't built by Palestinians.
>There's naturally a difference between 3% (Native Americans) and 3% (people so rich that they forgot that they've been funding a couple of nation-wide psyops for decade and a half)
yeah i agree
where can i get that power.
There have been entire countries ruled by tiny minorities, this is part of what caused Arab Spring.
You sure they're not much more? They put down white on the census.
Half of this board was trap pics back before the great porn-purge, you really are post-2010 aren't you?
Yeah and now in certain circles if you say the word "trap" you are Hitler. You didn't refute my point.
you can say that about literally any word or literally any great historical person.
And I do.
Everyone, literally everyone knows about Aragorn in MTG. But it’s not just the King of Gondor, here is a less obvious race swap.
I don’t like that the Hobbits look like the movie characters, but I can accept it from a business standpoint. But, there’s no business standpoint into making Gandalf into some weird Asiatic. Does WOTC care about the East Russian / North Chinese market? Did they really want to make him a full-on Han Chinese but stepped back because it would be too much for such an iconic and beloved character? But everyone knows what they’re doing, it’s not a secret. Hell they probably think they’re being discreet and tastefully respectful to the IP. I hate seeing talented artists being bent to this shit.
Haven't seen any spoilers yet, anything interesting? I only play casually with friends but I love LotR so I might buy this expansion.
And here we have the human maggot, easily wishing to destroy and chew through everything just because it fires of dopamine in his burnt out soft skull.
It's okay. It's disappointing that more people care about Black Aragorn than they do about the fact he completely fucking sucks.
Black as in swamp or black as in race bent?
As in he's black. Green white with just fucking awful effect.
Fuck off snaggletooth, I don't give a shit about race politics I give a shit about wizards charging bank for garbage.
>I don't care about race politics
You can enough to defend nogwashing like most gelded muttoids. I hope someone sticks you like the fetid overgrown pig you are.
Sounds like they want to start political drama for free publicity, guess I'll skip this expansion after all.
>It's dissapointing more people care about random blackwashing because I am a social parasite who agrees with this type of poltiical sabotage.
Britbong here, If we had a white person play a black person in a play you moronloving mutts would go apeshit, so kindly stop stealing our culture.
The only people who play mech warrior at my flgs are a literal group of men who wear dresses and put makeup on.
You might be surprised to hear this, but normal people are actually happy to see extremist cunts go.
>I only consider my kind of extremists as normal
No surprise there.
>You might be surprised to hear this, but normal people are actually happy to see extremist cunts go.
I agree, let's start with you.
Again, I don't think I've seen much that can increase the popularity of a brand more quickly than shitting on rightoids.
slide.
I don't think there's much a developer can do to increase their popularity faster than telling rightoids they aren't welcome.
I've NEVER seen this go badly for anybody who's tried it.
Disney?
They own such a large degree of the entertainment industry that the laws bend at their beck and call, anon. The strategy seems to work.
Have you been asleep for the past 5 years?
Are you saying the claim is wrong?
Their problem wasn't telling right wingers to fuck off it was telling their brand loyalists to fuck off and equating the two groups.