They're 2 completely different species and based on different animals you fricking moron.
Of course they're different Pokemon.
Don't you know what convergent evolution is?
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They're 2 completely different species and based on different animals you fricking moron.
Of course they're different Pokemon.
Don't you know what convergent evolution is?
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I really like Galarian Zapdos
Exactly, there's literally no difference between Rfakes and regional forms. I don't know why gamefreak felt the need to make this distinction when there's no way to tell based off design alone. It's just world building that serves no tangible purpose
Remeber when everyone was saying A-Sandshrew should be Snowshrew, yeah well, thats basically what this is.
Gamefreak are just running out of concepts that they just rinse and repeat what they have and call it a different name, watch there be a Pika-clone that is literally Pikachu bit with blue cheeks instead of red ones and its finally called Pikablu
>its finally called Pikablu
Or Minun
Giving Rfakes their own dex numbers and pretending they're new species allows Shit Freak to cut down on their workload even more. From now on, at least half the dex in every new game will be slightly recolored old Pokemon presented as new species.
Bootlickers will justify this by blathering about "convergent evolution," but will still b***h about Savers Agumon, Metal Slime, Robonyan, Black Frost, etc.
you're a fricking idiot if you think that wiglett is cutting more room from the dex than a regular regional form
>there is a limit of 400 mon in the dex
>instead of being a regional and not taking up dex numbers now two are taken up by wiglett
It's not the confusing anon
why do you assume that the first thing they do is pick an arbitrary number of dex slots that they have to begrudgingly fill
Never played DP or SwSh?
Why would their limit be based on dex numbers rather than the number of models/animations they have to make?
YOU'RE a fricking idiot if you can't see that they're boiling the frog to get away with making far fewer genuinely new Pokemon per generation from now on.
You are like the idiots who thought Ridley couldn't get in Smash 4 because of Dark Pit and Dr. Mario
OP how would you like to get killed by Gapdos?
Zapdos and G-Zapdos share a name and Dex entry because the fact they’re not the same species is unknown in-universe. Diglett and Wiglett are different species/Dex entries because they’re known to be seperate species.
“B-but that’s so arbitrary!”
And?
At the end of the day, there is no difference between Rfakes and regional variants other besides the arbitrary lore bits, which is why creating a whole new type of regional variants just with a different name is so annoying, especially when SV already has normal regional variants themselves as well as another type of variants in the form of Paradox Pokémon.
So why can't they make up whatever the frick they want to? It's not like it's complicated
>same pokemon, different climate
regional
>lookalikes that aren't even the same species
fakes
>same pokemon, different climate
>lookalikes that aren't even the same species
Because what counts as the same species but in different climates and what counts as an entirely different species is completely arbitrary. Galarian Zapdos and normal Zapdos are not just different because of climate, they're entirely different species yet they're treated as merely just a regional variant.
Because you can still tell they both are birds in the end, there's a common, not so distant ancestor.
Now that is some shitty headcanon. If you are going to make shit up at least make it cool.
Yes there is, the Galarian birds are the sole exception and are probably the inspiration for R-Fakes in the first place. All of the other regional forms are either descended from the standard version, or (in the case of Hisuian Pokemon) likely turned into the standard version over time.
Hisuian typlosion makes no sense
>hisuian is the original forme
>for some reason the pre-evos look nothing like it
is the original forme
moron
You could easily just refer to them all as variants in your own mind palace if it makes things easier for you, and no one will ever know.
>a whole new type of regional variants just with a different name is so annoying,
This is annoying only to /vp/ because, for some reason, hardcore pokemon fanbase is extremely autistic about categorizing things. It's like the whole green/leaf/blue shitshow on bulbapedia or whatever it is.
I mean, it makes sense. Its not like the pokedex is something natural, its all manmade. The people of Galar have no way of knowing the difference between two powerful legendary pokemon, while they could extensively research two weak pokemon like diglett and wiglett
>trying to make sense of all the moronic shit that goes on in modern pokemon
You should have realized by now they have ran out of quality fuel and need to shoehorn a bunch of new moronic mechanics in every game.
Its really kind of sad and somewhat disturbing how quality keeps on dipping for not just pokemon but a wide array of categories almost every year.
Ok, let's review
>bird
>bird
vs
>mole
>eel
Both Zapdoses are birds. Wigglet is a reptile worm fish thing
Nah these are the same species. It's like two breeds of dog. They likely can interbreed (not in captivity).
>we've had convergent species since 2002
>suddenly, it's now an issue.
Literally none of those creatures have any similarity other than being electric type rodents
Dedenne and raichu have a ton of similarties to the point if you put pikachu and dedenne together people would think dedenne is the prevo.
>Plusle and Minum have zero simularities
based moron
Cheek pouch
Eyes
Common general shape/proportions
>literally none of these creatures have any similarity other than being the exact same
Convergent vs Divergent
Pachirisu and Pikachu are confirmed to be related species. These are not convergent evolutions. They look the same because they all come from a single ancestor that they all got their "chu" traits from.
These aren't a legitimate attempt at introducing regional variants or convergent species. These were just GF's poor attempts at trying to make more appealing mascot characters for merchandising and with the hope of creating something that might become just as popular as pikachu, but all attempts to capture lightning in a bottle again have been mediocre or decent at best.
See, this is Pikachu. The mascot of the series. Why the frick did we need another Diglett? Could have been any other Kanto pokemone who haven't had a new form yet.
Tentacool's getting one
Are there any aside from Diglett and Tentacool?
Yeah
Should have been CHARIZARD
Imagine both of them fighting over putting their talons on your sandworm
More like they'd rip you up like a hunk of meat until you fisted Zapdos with your shredded arm while being raped by Gapdos.
The difference is the gamedevs said it's different so it is
You'll just have to accept it lol
Zapdos is a Labrador and a pug
Wiglett/Diglett is a human and a chimp
Terrible comprassions anon
Zapdos is two different species of Galapagos finches. Wigglet is an eel. Diglett is a mole. Checkmate atheists
OP chose a bad example.
I know you are trying to shit on "rfakes" but the galarian birds are LITERALLY said to be disputed in terms of regional forms, science didn't quite settle yet so they could be regional forms OR "rfakes" like Wiglett. So basically you are making GF look good with how they tested the grounds in Crown Tundra before introducing Wiglett in SV
G-guys, what if we overthink this childrens game !?
it doesn’t work when they give it the exact same cry as the original
doesn't have its own name and separate dex spot, not a convergent mon
If convergent evolution isn't a thing, explain this.
the birds are divergent, you fricking peabrain
They're based on entirely different species of bird though so they can't be the same species.
They are taxonomically as equal to each other as a mole is to an eel.
What's the in universe explanation for the Galarian birds? Seems odd that they'd have to adapt to an environment. They seem like the kind of Pokémon that would change their environment to suit them.
The Galarian birds are canonically different species that just look like the Kantonian birds. Not divergent but actually convergent evolution. They share the same dex slot because Gamefreak didn't come up with the fake concept before, same reason why Nidorans have different slots.
[Citation Required]
Play the game.
Source?
The actual dex entires
They don't talk about about them specifically and how they came to be
It's literally the people who called them these names because of the similarities
It's literally what Cara Liss did with the Galar Fossils
>same cries
>same move levels
>nearly identical stats
>people still insist they're separate mons because it's implied by dex entries, the things that are notoriously made up bullshit
It doesn't have to be that
The answer is very obvious that this is just a prototype idea to what would become Wiglett and potential others
Interesting that these were essentially the prototype for Wiglett-style Pokemon variants. I wonder if they'll be retconned into different Pokemon?
I feel like that's the point but they teased it with the Galarian Birds instead of committing to it.
The Dex entries made it obvious the people only called them these names because of their visual similarities to the birds but it isn't their actual names
I like how the Galarian birds basically confirmed the legendary birds are just regular ass Pokémon that are kinda big. They really overhyped them in Pokémon 2000.
To be fair the 2000 ones could've been particularly old/strong members of the species.
That convergent shit have been the most fricking stupid idea and even they know it because the leaker said only digglet and tentacool got it, they are creatively bankrupt this gen with the moronic gimmick too
That's like saying that two breeds of dog are different species because whales and sharks kind of look alike. Get it together.
>they're different Pokemon
They aren't. They are both Zapdos.
They are different species in lore. Humans just mistook those as the other legends