this has to be the worst sprite in video game history. WHAT WHERE THEY THINKING?
this has to be the worst sprite in video game history. WHAT WHERE THEY THINKING?
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this has to be the worst sprite in video game history. WHAT WHERE THEY THINKING?
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very clearly a spaceship heading north
grey circles at the bottom are the exhausts
triangle in middle is the "command room" or whatever and is raised from the rest of the ship
pretty much pic related
It really needed to be at a pitched angle to convey that better when on the world map. Especially since it's not obvious the thing would even be a ship in the first place. It rises up as the second form of the very stationary Ocean Palace and never once moves anywhere. Nor is there any indication in dialogue that there's even a plan for it to move anywhere.
Not only that but inside there are two elevators helping insinuate it's a floating tower
Not to mention you can't see the ship's nose when on the bridge so it's not even obvious where you're standing relative to the rest of the structure. I wonder if the Japanese dialogue makes it more obvious what the Black Omen is there for. Was it supposed to carry Queen Zeal to other planets after Lavos sucked this one dry? But it's still chilling in 2300 AD for seemingly no reason so it even being mobile in the first place is pointless. It may as well be a tower considering how it's being used.
I didn't see it as a ship at first either.
>It may as well be a tower considering how it's being used.
Yeah, I assumed it was just a floating tower/palace/shrine to Lavos that Queen Zeal will live forever in. I guess looking like a ship doesn't change that. Basically just a place for her to bask in Lavos power forever. It being used to take her away from the planet eventually is a cool idea though. I'm also curious if there's some extra lore about it somewhere.
Isnt the implications that Zeal became a part of Lavos, hence the one humanoid lifeform sprite looking vaguely like her? Hence the ship may be restarting the Lavos life cycle. Impregnation of a planet>absorption of its lifeforce>taking on a "host" form avatar (Zeal) to carry out its will while it sleeps>eventually fully absorption of host>construction of space vessel for when planet is full fed on>vessel leaves dead world behind>over millenia, host mutated into a new full grown Lavos>vessel absorbed/destroyed as it grows(like a cocoon)>impacts next planet when fully grown to restart the process. All the while guiding intelligent lifes evolution in order to create a sentient race with the smarts to build it a new "chariot" so it can go on repeating the cycle of consumption.
She's on the bridge if you go into the black omen, she isnt a part of lavos but lavos definitely has her DNA along with everyone else on earth.
Is that really "physically" her or a manifestation of her mind Lavos generates or even some kind of bioclone it creates with her will? In that cutscenes after the Ocean Palace when you see Crono get fucked, it definitely shows what looks like her sprite being absorbed into the big lavos sprite.
>Queen Zeal becomes Jenova
Queen Zeal does say something about how it is a chariot to the stars for Lavos. Seems like this was Lavos' plan considering that it guided human evolution, as suggested in the game.
>all of human evolution in CT universe was designed in mind to create the Black Omen thanks to the influence of Lavos
freaky
Lavos doesn't give a shit about Zeal though. I doubt it has any plans related to the Black Omen at all. It probably doesn't even know what it's there for. Though Queen Zeal is delusional so it's moot I guess.
Yeah I think it being referred to as a palace was a strong indicator. Also why would there be a star destroyer at all? It makes less sense thematically, she isn't trying to leave Earth, Lavos isn't going anywhere.
When the world is dead, she/it will.
i have no idea how so many people misinterpret this thing. it's clearly this
Dude, I get that now - but when I was a kid it looked like a fucking tower to me and I'm not alone.
because everything is draw in the opposite direction
The Epoch is a good example of what's wrong with the Black Omen. Notice the foreshortening that makes the back "point" look tilted downward a bit since it's further away from the camera. The Black Omen is just flat.
Akira Toriyama is the GOAT
Post your face when you realized it's actually a battle ship and not a floating tower
What? No. I was obsessed with that sprite as a kid. In fact, I emulated the game just to see that sprite again when I saw it at a friend's house
I don't get the tower thing, especially when there's a clear part that's above the rest, which looks exactly like the command center
I however see a face in the reactors(?) which I wonder if it was deliberate. I wish we had concept art
If you didn't immediately realize this you have NPC brain
>t. npc brain
>he has to assign comparisons to things he does not recognize based on member berries of pop culture shit instead of just accepting and comprehending abstract alien designs with no specific rhyme or reason that a normie can assign comparisons to.
u wot
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I CANT UNSEE IT
played this game on an emulator long before it got released on DS and me and my cousins always assumed it was a tower.
if it was a ship, the elevator(s) would not have taken so long for you to go up or down, nor would they be going vertical either. i'm really curious to know how it was written in other languages. its still a weird design prompt, even to this day.
>at the same angle as everything else on the world map
>WHAT THE HELL HOW WERE U SUPPOSED TO KNOW IT WASN'T AN EVIL CHRISTMAS TREE
>IT'S ANGLE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!!
I honestly wonder if the Black Omen was originally meant to fly around the world map in a way reminiscent of Doom Gaze in FFVI but they decided last minute that it'd be annoying forcing you to chase it down with the Epoch so they just had it stay put.
It's cooler and more ominous that it just stays put throughout history. Also helps show how the world changes.
what's the point of building a space ship if it stays still? QZ isn't that dumb now, is she?
The biggest reason people think it's a tower is because of this. It goes beyond a perspective fuck up. It doesn't make sense at all for a horizontal ship to disintegrate ass first like that.
Couldn't it just be a space ship pointed vertically up like an actual space shuttle?
If a ship is floating on air. I wonder if it's more efficient to fly straight parallel to the earth until you escape gravity or straight up perpendicular to the earth.
Would think the former but no idea
I think the fact that you can see the curvature of the horizon/atmosphere break between sky and space from the one room on it, gives some credit to the idea of it being pointed vertically up for launch(if it indeed is a space ship). I dont see how a horizontal "floating" ship could get that perspective, unless its floating really high in the sky, which is a possibility as well, but a super high floating "tower" you may get that view from its higher levels.
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Why the fuck would the draw a horizontal ship vertically oriented anyway?
It also bobs up and down in a weird way that makes it look more like a tower moving vertically than a ship.
That's a good point, it makes no sense for a horizontal battle ship to be bobbing back and forth if the thrusters are always on, there's also no thrusters underneath to keep it hovering so even as a battleship it makes no sense
This is 100% why people interpret it as a Tower
>if the engine/reactors/whatever are located at the back then it makes sense
I've never heard about the tower thing before, but godspeed I suppose. It's very clearly just a ship to me, engines bridge and all. The shadow it casts on the map only reinforces that.
I never got the autism surrounding this sprite. You can see the command center on top and the thrusters in b the back.
Once you know what it is you can see it. But imagine playing the game back when it was new and this thing rose out of the ocean and was specifically called out as being the second form of pic related. Neither structure moves anywhere or is ever stated to intend to move anywhere. The closest thing you get to referencing the Black Omen as vehicle comes from Ayla of all people who says something like "fish become bird." Your brain simply isn't on the wavelength to think they just dropped a fucking starship into the game and from there it just gets worse.
This is the more confusing aspect of it. Is the ship being built under the palace? Is the palace transformed into the ship? There is that giant empty shaft room in the palace that i feel had some connection between the two.
In Japanese it's called the Black Dream, Zeal basically says something along the line of the Black Omen being hers and Lavos's dream or something, IIRC
In reality, it's a perversion of the Ocean Palace made with hers and Lavos' powers
NTA but I don't know Anon, my brain immediately went to battleship, it's just a Star Destroyer or something and it looks the part. It's just not how I would've drawn a floating castle or tower in that game.
Look, it's a male black omen. See his two little balls?
"deceased crab" moment
I get it no, but what killed him?
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chrono trigger sucks. the reasons people like it at all (if they even really do) are the reasons it sucks. it's notable from a design perspective because of how far they stretched the paradigm of a console rpg before breaking it. things like:
>a focus on deemphasizing player agency and strategy in favor of narrative set pieces
>a comparatively very modern idea that is leveraged by games like the last of us (which are also shit)
>a brusque pacing is facilitated by low difficulty, low player agency, and a lack of any real exploration or side activities
>this pacing is important because the focus of the piece (i cringe even calling this thing a game) is on the fast paced spectacle based narrative, and bogging the player down with -gameplay- would shatter the illusion
it is quite intentionally an rpg designed for people who don't like rpgs. it's an anti-rpg and an anti-game, and it is masterfully crafted to that end. i personally find it revolting. the only reason it has such a mystical reverence in the western gaming sphere is because of its incessant shilling by early games media, and subsequently by those early readers and forum goers, in an attempt to establish authenticity and clout. it echoes books like infinite jest and ulysses which are considered works of genius by people who have not read them. my evidence for this is that chrono games sell like shit, and chrono merch sells like shit. people bemoan se for not making plastic frogs and maguses, but in reality they would never buy them because they don't love this "game" or even the story, they just love how good it feels to put it in a top 10 or a 3v3 and imagine people thinking they have great taste.
Yeah well I actually really love Chrono Trigger so not only are you a fagoot, but you're a wrong gay
Not understanding that someone else could have a different perspective and projecting your own views as the sole correct opinion is something that subhuman low IQs love to do
you "love" it because you're a literal npc. you fell for the game's trick and that's it. you also certainly love it as "story" and not a "game" because it isn't really a game. cope
Mmm delicious Zoomer buzzwords.
Define "game"
why do you jrpg nuts always fall for bait? that's why that anon constantly posts that shit, you guys are so easy to fish (you)'s
I just reply to bait sometimes because it's fun to see where they take it next and how long they're willing to keep it up.
fair enough I do the same, lmao
its just a lot of people take it seriously, good to see you dont
He's a salty WRPGf neckbeard so the answer's
i'm not a zoomer or a warpig. i love jrpgs, just you know, the ones that are actually games in any formalized sense. chrono trigger is the proto-movie game and 30 years of gaslighting by the gaming ~~*media*~~ has created an army of rabid npcs who love their little clout badge of a game. you can always spot them because they never refute a single point and just spam buzzwords.
>t. zoomer
The only way its not a game is if there is no possible way lose or rendered unable to "beat the game". CT still requires a player to engage with it enough for them to have to make decisions and recognize solutions for challenges put in front of then. You can be pissy about it not being the kind of game you like, but saying its not a "game" has as much truth to it as any claims that you may have to being an actual clever, intelligent individual.
tl;dr
>It's not skyrim and that makes me mad
Sounds like you just don't like linear RPGs. Though Chrono Trigger does have some optional exploration and side quests, along with being able to fight Lavos whenever.
As for difficulty, most RPGs are braindead easy. Chrono Trigger might've benefited from some optional challenges besides fighting Spekkio's forms or Ocean Palace/early Lavos, but the balancing is enjoyable enough. The game is easy, but most of the bosses and a good number of enemies have gimmicks that makes them entertaining to fight. I don't mind easy games along with challenging ones, and CT is more fun to play than most RPGs.
Ho boy, with this attitude better stay away from Terranigma if you want to keep a peaceful life.
Holy shit imagine writing this retarded shit and thinking its smart
>posts no argument
>follows up with "don't say i have no argument"
wow compelling stuff
Oh and before you reply and say "no argument" you dont have one either. You have the typical contrarian take of "thing sucks because it doesnt check these boxes I made up for it and decided are good". Your complaints apply to the entire genre of JRPGs which were and still usually are about a linear narrative and its clear from this post youve never played any other than Chrono Trigger. If you dont like that game flow go play Skyrim like the other anon said.
It's an attempt at copypasta, stop giving it any mind and anon will get bored and go away.
if they post Sch*la in that poster, might as well add QZ to the top left part.
Is there official art of it as a spaceship? Cause if not, I'm denying.
I don't think so.
But for what it's worth, it's casting a shadow on the ground in such a way that would only make sense if the sun was pointed away from it at all times if it was a tower.
The shadow is part of what makes the perspective confusing.
holy shit middle solves everything
and yeah I always thought it was some pyramid thing
you do realise shadows are dependant on the suns position right?
also wtf are you talking about, pyramids don't fly, how is that an example of comparison
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Then it's a floating palace tower.
Oh look, another AVGN-wanabee zoomer thread
We have this thread constantly, why do we need to incessantly humiliate low IQ fucktards who have zero spatial intelligence? It's a battleship and if you interpreted anything else you are a dysgenic mutant.
That said, a floating tower is a cooper idea; it would however have to be drawn differently given the perspective.
why does a battleship with rear thrusters only, bob back and forth?
That's friction, mate
It's fucking awesome and you're a fag.
I think the worst sprite on the SNES is the Gil Turtle from FFV. It just becomes a mess of pixels and you can't even tell where the head is or how it's shaped.
Wrong, Emporer Gestahl is the worst SNES sprite.
I always saw a puppy dog and couldn't take him seriuosly.
I can't even see what it's "supposed" to look like even when trying. They just straight up drew a big Snoopy snout on him. What is that big black rectangle supposed to be?
Handlebar mustache gap. Or fumanchu.
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Love it when this gay gets discarded like a used tissue of the floating continent.
He survives. He just steals the Ninja's outfit and pretends to be him so everyone thinks he's dead
They even make jokes about this in FFXIV, you can get doggy Gestahl as a pet.
This one wins for me too. Literally never could see him as anything other than a goofy floppy dog.
I've never played the game so maybe it's different in real life, but from that thumbnail it's pretty easy to tell you're looking at a turtle standing on its hind legs and one arm while looking at its other arm, almost as if about to lick its claws. come on now, there's way worse.
It looks fine.
This lil fish food bro has got to be up there in the ranks too.
Sides gone. Thanks, anon!
Looks more like Waluigi in a coat with purple wig.
I could never make out Seth's Face, but I can see how everyone saw the one on the right.
I thought the guards in Edward's castle had Doom guys face. Also they walk really weird.
its a dragon dildo
Arek from Lufia 2 is my personal favorite garbage sprite.
The face/mask/head/whatever is so overly detailed that it's hard to make out anything but two slits.
Katsuya Terada (at least I think he drew it; there aren't any credits) just said "fuck it" and slapped a helmet on him in the comic.
I must be getting tired, since I was scrolling past this thread for the umpteenth time and for a split second I thought the engines looked like googly eyes.
I've always saw them as eyes and it does seem to form a face of some sort
>it does seem to form a face of some sort
Of course it does
Lol, what happened to your previous pic
Yeah, it does, but no concept art to confirm it or something annoys me in a way
Ambiguous sprites are a superb way to make the mind run wild with imagination; I’d say they’re remarkable
At forat I thought it was supposed to be some weird robotic hermit crab
Can’t unsee it FUCK
Any games with crabs?
crabs are like bat enemies except whenever there is a beach level
they're everywhere
Kinda makes sense considering Lavos and the Lavos Spawn are a little bit crab like themselves.
What's the matter with it now, sperglord?
I know it's supposed to be some stars wars like battleship but a floating tower is just cooler.
It's absolute ludokino