you dumb Black person that's the point. his whole speech shows that he actually spent his time in jail thinking about what he did and why, this doesn't make him a hypocrite. your have a better argument by pointing out how he loses it the moment the king makes his wish
I think you're off the mark a bit.
In the intro cutscene of WW we see Ganon breaks out and immediately begins conquering again.
This causes the gods to flood Hyrule.
I think this is what humbles Ganondorf. He's... completely baffled by the incongruous decision to flood the kingdom rather than let someone they don't like rule it. As if his rule could be worse than the deaths of almost everyone in the kingdom.
So he's tired and mindboggled by the time HoW shows up
But they didn't die. Near as I can tell, the people were all evacuated to the tops of mountains and THEN the land was flooded. It's a bit like how the entirety of Castle Town was moved to Kakariko Village somehow. I'm sure some people died, of course, but the gods ensured that the people would survive.
The issue with Ganondorf is that he is the WORST possible ruler. I think the premise behind the flooding of Hyrule is that despite how shitty it seems to us, it's apparently still preferable to a Hyrule under Ganondorf's control. That Ganondorf is objectively worse than flooding Hyrule. The gods were pushed to desperation because that's how bad Ganondorf was in their eyes.
For a guy that lost his sense of self by being defeated so many times that he just became an aimless force of destruction as Calamity Ganon, you'd expect Ganondorf to be a little bitter, resentful and jaded from having done the same song and dance so many times and they don't even bother to touch on that.
The Ganondorf we see in Tears of the Kingdom might not even be the same ones from Twilight Princess and The Wind Waker. They died in their respective games and Four Swords Adventure already set the precedent that there can be more than one Ganondorf.
They mention the calamity in totk if you talk to the right people but none of these conversations are mandatory. You have to search for Impa and go to the school and for some reason the school is entirely optional despite being brand new. It's very clear they did this for players starting with totk and have never touched botw. It's bizarre because most people playing totk have played botw probably. You're left with a game that barely seems to remember the last game's lore. No one remembers the calamity that well or even Ganon for that matter.
BoTW felt like a decent prologue that made me excited for a sequel rather than an epic adventure in its own right. It's almost refreshing to feel disappointment since I haven't been invested in any game series for a while.
It's interesting in Tears of the Kingdom how in the final boss fight he talks about what's right for a king and his intent to rule, but after he goes full Demon King it's more generic darkness and destruction.
It seems pretty clear that the stone twisted his ambition further the more he tapped into it, culminating in the mindless dragon which blatantly invokes the Calamity. Not that he was ever a good guy, but there's a distinction between a cutthroat scheming tyrant and just laying waste to everything.
I'm also a little disappointed we didn't get to see more of his fricking sick demon horse
Who's spamming these threads? Ganondorf has always been barely a character in his games. But give him a few sentences in WW and suddenly whoahhh he's so deep.
You don't really have to go into deep lore to know why they are there. Just like you don't really need to know exactly where Gorons come from. You know they are from rocks and also eat rocks and that's about it. Gerudo have always been in the dessert or a canyon. They were in a fortress in MM but let's not talk about those Gerudo rejects. Also what Ganondorf is talking about here might be is his perspective. He's not really the type to care about his own people's suffering but he's probably talking about his own experience growing up in the desert. A lot of Gerudo never left the desert and never saw Hyrule could actually be lush and green and not hell on earth.
>A lot of Gerudo never left the desert and never saw Hyrule could actually be lush and green and not hell on earth.
hold on, i though in ooc they had to go to hyrule and pick guys up in order to reproduce since they are all female.
There is a difference between that and their entire population depending on Hylian men.
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anon they are an all female country,
put two and two together,
someone had to be imrpeganating them
11 months ago
Anonymous
Whoever the king of the Gerudo is.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ganon doesn't know what sex is so it can't be him.
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gerudo kings are born once every hundred years, even if he's fricking b***hes til hes 80 hes going to die before creating the next prince.
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Hylians can live until well over 100. Impa is like well over 100 years old. I assume Gerudo can do the same. He can probably keep fricking with only a 10 - 20 year gap.
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Hyrule isn't the only country in the world and Sidon's wife shows that foreigners will travel there looking for spouses
ganondorf in every incarnation represents an antithesis to the moral of his respective narrative. that monologue isn't about his motivations, it's about him forgetting what his motivation even was and musing about it. ganondorf in WW is a man consumed by a past that the world has long moved on from.
WW ganon was 100% as evil as every other incarnation. he seemed less evil because he saw the great sea denizens as kindrid spirits because they were destroyed by the gods via the flood.
he still cursed, kidnapped, and attacked them in spite of this because he's basically satan.
Yeah, the two children with super armor because of the irreversible wish that was just made on the triforce. He was going to die so he went out swinging. Before that, he said word for word "Don't worry I'm not going to kill you".
The 'depth' is his basic human ability to feel nostalgic and his delusion that he's justified. Which isn't deep at all.
Yet people argue even this is unironically too deep.
>Wind Waker had the only Ganondorf that had a personality beyond "grr I'm evil" >Wind Waker had the only Zelda with a real personality (well while she was still Tetra anyway)
How come Nintendo gave up on having Zelda characters be real characters after Wind Waker?
Because a man who repeatedly returns from the dead to do the same thing over and over is not going to hold onto his original depths forever.
The first time, maybe you had more complex reasons for why you do the things you do. The second time, you still have those reasons. But after a dozen or more times and thousands of years, none of your initial reasons matter anymore. The land has changed, the people are hundreds of generations removed. Nothing of the world you originally knew still exists, and yet you insist on doing the same things. Your initial complex reasons do not matter. You aren't human anymore. You're just a stupid, autistic, moronic piece of shit jackass making things hard for everyone else for reasons that you may not even remember anymore.
I actually feel like BotW Zelda is probably the best and most fleshed out version of the character, but that's literally the only positive thing I can say about the plot at all. Her English VA is fricking awful though.
Consider Hyrule Castle Town and then consider what all you see of the Gerudo territory. You'd think it was limitations of the N64 but you don't see anything outside of the fortress and maybe some monuments in the wasteland and then the Spirit Temple. I like to think there's a town where Gerudo live somewhere but you'd have to go further in the wasteland, probably southward if the map in Ocarina is anything to go by. Being isolated from other societies alongside living in the desert must have been hell.
Not an excuse at all. Remember, the king liked Ganondorf and was welcoming towards him and his people. If Ganondorf genuinely tried to negotiate, the king probably would have been very much receptive. Ganondorf wasn't interested in that though. He knew the king would welcome him with open arms; that's exactly what he was planning to take advantage of.
The picture OoT paints is that the only reason Hyrule didn't offer aid to the Gerudo is simply because the Gerudo never asked for it.
>If Ganondorf genuinely tried to negotiate, the king probably would have been very much receptive.
the fact that the shadow is a thing hints at hyrulian rulers not exactly being sunshine and roses when the masses arn't watching.
I'm not making an excuse for Ganondorf's actions, I'm saying that between the castle town and Kakariko, the Gerudo really didn't have much to rely on, hence why they were known as thieves. What we didn't see really shows how barren the valley and desert was and it puts Ganondorf's speech in Wind Waker in perspective. You can get lost in the wasteland and even die, now imagine having to travel about the wasteland AND the desert back home just to find something to eat or to try to go eastward to find a boyfriend to keep your already low population sustained if the king himself was occupied with other matters (I don't doubt he had to have a harem or so but he is only one man).
I heard somewhere there initial plans to have gandorf have a counterpart in majoras mask,
apperently he was just going to be this chill dude that just wanted to fish,
dont know why the decided against it.
Because then you'd need a Zelda counterpart and probably a Saria counterpart and even a Mido counterpart and things just getting overblown if you try to go that far.
No, you don't need all that. Ruto had a counterpart and Darunia too but not Saria or the Deku Tree. Those are some arbitrary conditions you're setting up.
I heard somewhere there initial plans to have gandorf have a counterpart in majoras mask,
apperently he was just going to be this chill dude that just wanted to fish,
dont know why the decided against it.
That could have been a hell of a twist if they played a cutscene showing how dramatic he was, only to treat you like a friend or even have his model but hide his face under a hat or something. You couldn't tell it's him initially unless you paid attention to certain details like his face and nose. You couldn't even see his red hair. Dunno where you heard that from but I'm down for it.
And yet in OoT he immediately turns Castle Town into a graveyard and doesn't do anything to help the Gerudo. He's just fishing for sympathy.
you dumb Black person that's the point. his whole speech shows that he actually spent his time in jail thinking about what he did and why, this doesn't make him a hypocrite. your have a better argument by pointing out how he loses it the moment the king makes his wish
None of what he says explains why he filled the moat with lava and tried to genocide the gorons by feeding them to a dragon.
I think you're off the mark a bit.
In the intro cutscene of WW we see Ganon breaks out and immediately begins conquering again.
This causes the gods to flood Hyrule.
I think this is what humbles Ganondorf. He's... completely baffled by the incongruous decision to flood the kingdom rather than let someone they don't like rule it. As if his rule could be worse than the deaths of almost everyone in the kingdom.
So he's tired and mindboggled by the time HoW shows up
But they didn't die. Near as I can tell, the people were all evacuated to the tops of mountains and THEN the land was flooded. It's a bit like how the entirety of Castle Town was moved to Kakariko Village somehow. I'm sure some people died, of course, but the gods ensured that the people would survive.
The issue with Ganondorf is that he is the WORST possible ruler. I think the premise behind the flooding of Hyrule is that despite how shitty it seems to us, it's apparently still preferable to a Hyrule under Ganondorf's control. That Ganondorf is objectively worse than flooding Hyrule. The gods were pushed to desperation because that's how bad Ganondorf was in their eyes.
Of course he's fishing, Hyrule is under water
For a guy that lost his sense of self by being defeated so many times that he just became an aimless force of destruction as Calamity Ganon, you'd expect Ganondorf to be a little bitter, resentful and jaded from having done the same song and dance so many times and they don't even bother to touch on that.
The Ganondorf we see in Tears of the Kingdom might not even be the same ones from Twilight Princess and The Wind Waker. They died in their respective games and Four Swords Adventure already set the precedent that there can be more than one Ganondorf.
four swords is a fricking capcom game and isnt canon Black person homosexual
Not the Capcom one you fricking moron.
it is canon, it's in the timeline
They mention the calamity in totk if you talk to the right people but none of these conversations are mandatory. You have to search for Impa and go to the school and for some reason the school is entirely optional despite being brand new. It's very clear they did this for players starting with totk and have never touched botw. It's bizarre because most people playing totk have played botw probably. You're left with a game that barely seems to remember the last game's lore. No one remembers the calamity that well or even Ganon for that matter.
BoTW felt like a decent prologue that made me excited for a sequel rather than an epic adventure in its own right. It's almost refreshing to feel disappointment since I haven't been invested in any game series for a while.
He's just wondering what all his ambition was for when the place he wanted to conquer didn't even exist anymore. It's not that deep.
It's interesting in Tears of the Kingdom how in the final boss fight he talks about what's right for a king and his intent to rule, but after he goes full Demon King it's more generic darkness and destruction.
It seems pretty clear that the stone twisted his ambition further the more he tapped into it, culminating in the mindless dragon which blatantly invokes the Calamity. Not that he was ever a good guy, but there's a distinction between a cutthroat scheming tyrant and just laying waste to everything.
I'm also a little disappointed we didn't get to see more of his fricking sick demon horse
gimme more
more Wind Waker
Phantom Hourglass was a direct sequel to Wind Waker and Spirit Tracks takes place in the same world, just a century later.
He looks like some kind of bird
Who's spamming these threads? Ganondorf has always been barely a character in his games. But give him a few sentences in WW and suddenly whoahhh he's so deep.
Don't come to the thread then
They've probably noticed that it's starting to upset people in the "Ganondorf is SUPPOSED to be a shitty villain!" camp
>Wind Woker
No one ever prevented the Gerudo from moving from the desert.
You don't really have to go into deep lore to know why they are there. Just like you don't really need to know exactly where Gorons come from. You know they are from rocks and also eat rocks and that's about it. Gerudo have always been in the dessert or a canyon. They were in a fortress in MM but let's not talk about those Gerudo rejects. Also what Ganondorf is talking about here might be is his perspective. He's not really the type to care about his own people's suffering but he's probably talking about his own experience growing up in the desert. A lot of Gerudo never left the desert and never saw Hyrule could actually be lush and green and not hell on earth.
>A lot of Gerudo never left the desert and never saw Hyrule could actually be lush and green and not hell on earth.
hold on, i though in ooc they had to go to hyrule and pick guys up in order to reproduce since they are all female.
That was some bullshit that only started in botw.
one of the gossip stones in oot says "They say that Gerudos sometimes come to Hyrule Castle Town to look for boyfriends."
I thought it was implied that they were forced boyfriends...
Those poor guys being hunted down and raped by tall Amazononians from the desert. Sounds awful
There is a difference between that and their entire population depending on Hylian men.
anon they are an all female country,
put two and two together,
someone had to be imrpeganating them
Whoever the king of the Gerudo is.
Ganon doesn't know what sex is so it can't be him.
gerudo kings are born once every hundred years, even if he's fricking b***hes til hes 80 hes going to die before creating the next prince.
Hylians can live until well over 100. Impa is like well over 100 years old. I assume Gerudo can do the same. He can probably keep fricking with only a 10 - 20 year gap.
Hyrule isn't the only country in the world and Sidon's wife shows that foreigners will travel there looking for spouses
ganondorf in every incarnation represents an antithesis to the moral of his respective narrative. that monologue isn't about his motivations, it's about him forgetting what his motivation even was and musing about it. ganondorf in WW is a man consumed by a past that the world has long moved on from.
Gul Dukat > Ganondorf
ATTENTION HYLIAN WORKERS
I am once again asking for that image of a defeated Kaptain K. Rool from Donkey Kong Country 2 with the caption "I coveted those bananas, I suppose"
Read the thread, moron
saw it a second after I posted, thanks dickhead
WW ganon was 100% as evil as every other incarnation. he seemed less evil because he saw the great sea denizens as kindrid spirits because they were destroyed by the gods via the flood.
he still cursed, kidnapped, and attacked them in spite of this because he's basically satan.
doesn't he start violently attacking two young children with swords immediately after this
nint*ddlers wouldn't know a depthful character if it fricked them in the ass
Yeah, the two children with super armor because of the irreversible wish that was just made on the triforce. He was going to die so he went out swinging. Before that, he said word for word "Don't worry I'm not going to kill you".
The 'depth' is his basic human ability to feel nostalgic and his delusion that he's justified. Which isn't deep at all.
Yet people argue even this is unironically too deep.
>Wind Waker had the only Ganondorf that had a personality beyond "grr I'm evil"
>Wind Waker had the only Zelda with a real personality (well while she was still Tetra anyway)
How come Nintendo gave up on having Zelda characters be real characters after Wind Waker?
Because a man who repeatedly returns from the dead to do the same thing over and over is not going to hold onto his original depths forever.
The first time, maybe you had more complex reasons for why you do the things you do. The second time, you still have those reasons. But after a dozen or more times and thousands of years, none of your initial reasons matter anymore. The land has changed, the people are hundreds of generations removed. Nothing of the world you originally knew still exists, and yet you insist on doing the same things. Your initial complex reasons do not matter. You aren't human anymore. You're just a stupid, autistic, moronic piece of shit jackass making things hard for everyone else for reasons that you may not even remember anymore.
despite having more cutscenes and voice acting botw/totk somehow has shitter script and story
I actually feel like BotW Zelda is probably the best and most fleshed out version of the character, but that's literally the only positive thing I can say about the plot at all. Her English VA is fricking awful though.
>i am le evil because... i am le poor!
kys reddit
Tendies are so fricking media illiterate that they think this shit is deep.
Consider Hyrule Castle Town and then consider what all you see of the Gerudo territory. You'd think it was limitations of the N64 but you don't see anything outside of the fortress and maybe some monuments in the wasteland and then the Spirit Temple. I like to think there's a town where Gerudo live somewhere but you'd have to go further in the wasteland, probably southward if the map in Ocarina is anything to go by. Being isolated from other societies alongside living in the desert must have been hell.
i assumed it was like that movie about people with fake memories where you reach the edge of town and its all a void.
Not an excuse at all. Remember, the king liked Ganondorf and was welcoming towards him and his people. If Ganondorf genuinely tried to negotiate, the king probably would have been very much receptive. Ganondorf wasn't interested in that though. He knew the king would welcome him with open arms; that's exactly what he was planning to take advantage of.
The picture OoT paints is that the only reason Hyrule didn't offer aid to the Gerudo is simply because the Gerudo never asked for it.
>If Ganondorf genuinely tried to negotiate, the king probably would have been very much receptive.
the fact that the shadow is a thing hints at hyrulian rulers not exactly being sunshine and roses when the masses arn't watching.
I'm not making an excuse for Ganondorf's actions, I'm saying that between the castle town and Kakariko, the Gerudo really didn't have much to rely on, hence why they were known as thieves. What we didn't see really shows how barren the valley and desert was and it puts Ganondorf's speech in Wind Waker in perspective. You can get lost in the wasteland and even die, now imagine having to travel about the wasteland AND the desert back home just to find something to eat or to try to go eastward to find a boyfriend to keep your already low population sustained if the king himself was occupied with other matters (I don't doubt he had to have a harem or so but he is only one man).
I heard somewhere there initial plans to have gandorf have a counterpart in majoras mask,
apperently he was just going to be this chill dude that just wanted to fish,
dont know why the decided against it.
His model is in the 3DS version labeled as fisherman
Because then you'd need a Zelda counterpart and probably a Saria counterpart and even a Mido counterpart and things just getting overblown if you try to go that far.
Nah it was just Ganon and iirc Sheik, presumably one for each fishing spot.
No, you don't need all that. Ruto had a counterpart and Darunia too but not Saria or the Deku Tree. Those are some arbitrary conditions you're setting up.
That could have been a hell of a twist if they played a cutscene showing how dramatic he was, only to treat you like a friend or even have his model but hide his face under a hat or something. You couldn't tell it's him initially unless you paid attention to certain details like his face and nose. You couldn't even see his red hair. Dunno where you heard that from but I'm down for it.
OH FRICK I'M GONNA COOVET
I'M GONNA COOVET
AHHHHHHH SHIT
I'M COOOOOOOVETING!!!!!!
Kys you unironic homosexual