This still upsets me

Ash has been competing in leagues for several years and Iris magically wins one on her first try? She’s somehow gotten more far than people like Dawn and somehow can go toe to toe with Cynthia?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Iris is a CHAD prodigy not a contest jobber.
    Ash is also 10 and defeated Cynthia so.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Except Ash has had development to actually take down Cynthia. Dawn should have won a Grand Festival if Iris became Champion

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Ash's development l
        >iterally using mons he caught in this gen and a special snowflake Lucario he had for like 2 weeks in-universe time

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          And Iris' development is what exactly? Ash always wanted to win a league

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Iris is one of worst written prodigy characters ever. At least with a shitty genius characters like Sora from no game no life while it doesn't make sense how they figure out everything you can understand what they do with the information to succeed. What does Iris actually DO that separates her from non-prodigies?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >no game no life
        lose weight
        If you actually fucking watched that garbage you shouldn't be allowed to talk to people

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You have to watch bad to know good

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > What does Iris actually DO that separates her from non-prodigies

        This

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Misty did that too dumbass

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Became a Champion? Of what region? Cerulean Gym?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Have pikachu in hair

              [...]
              Win.

              Okay but how does she win? What does she do differently that gives her better results?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This differently

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You got your answer though!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It wasn't an answer though

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It was.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the fuck is was

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't even fucking matter.
                The reason she's a prodigy is that she started winning young. That's it. That's all that being a "prodigy" means

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Iris is one of worst written prodigy characters ever. At least with a shitty genius characters like Sora from no game no life while it doesn't make sense how they figure out everything you can understand what they do with the information to succeed. What does Iris actually DO that separates her from non-prodigies?

          Win.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Have pikachu in hair
        [...]
        Okay but how does she win? What does she do differently that gives her better results?

        they are just good, that's how it works in Pokemon. Why is Whitney a Prodigy in Johto? Because she wins.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Iris is too cool

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      jobber*

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Jobber is too cool?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No she's not cool she's a jobber

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >toe to toe
    kek she got stomped by the weaker half of Cynthias team

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cynthia's Milotic defeated Dracovish, was her second Pokemon ever and Haxorus had a clash with mega Garchomp. How's sucking that copium going?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This
      iris is TRASH

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ah the progression of Cynthiafag cope

        >Cynthia is strong and just as strong as Leon
        >Cynthia made it to the Masters 8 without a gimmick because she doesn’t need a crutch like Leon (really was Iris)
        >Cynthia is so strong but wait one half of her team is extremely weaker than the others but she’s still so strong
        >Cynthia didn’t need a Keystone to win
        >Cynthia only used her Keystone because Iris was mind fucking Haxorus and boosting his strength.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          is strong and just as strong as Leon
          full power (2-gimmick) Cynthisa is ~equal to 3-gimmick Ash and thus stronger than Leon, yeah

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Cope cope cope. It’s okay, when the anime doesn’t confirm, headcanon will always be there.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            1-Gimmick Ash>1 Gimmick Cynthia, so it follows that 2 Gimmick Ash>2 Gimmick Cynthia.
            Here's your actual order, anon.
            Ash(3 Gimmicks)>=Leon>2 Gimmicks Ash>2 Gimmicks Cynthia("full power")

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >1-Gimmick Ash>1 Gimmick Cynthia
              Liar, he used 2 power-ups just for a togekiss

              FP Cynthia = 3 gimmick Ash > Leon

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Using more than 1 gimmick would've broken the rules, and Ash stayed within the rules.
                As much as you wish for it to be, Aura is no gimmick.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Cynthia mega evolved to counter Iris Dragon Power”
                >Cynthia’s lost didn’t matter because Ash was using mega evolution and aura

                Notice a pattern here?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Call it whatever you want to cope.
                Without it Ash was weaker than Cynthia.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Leon 1 gimmick > Ash 3 gimmick > Leon no gimmick > Cynthia 2 gimmick > Cynthia 1 gimmick > Iris > Cynthia no gimmick

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Leon is a jobber who loses to anything with more than 1 PU.
              aka to Ash and Cynthia

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >1-Gimmick Ash>1 Gimmick Cynthia
                Liar, he used 2 power-ups just for a togekiss

                FP Cynthia = 3 gimmick Ash > Leon

                Based, Leonjeets seething

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      coooope

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Shitrona lost
      Megas are not legal

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cope cope cope. It’s okay, when the anime doesn’t confirm, headcanon will always be there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The anime itself disagrees with you.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It’s okay, this is going to continue to analy mind fuck them each and every time

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The actual translation is slightly different, but the quote is still clearly implying it was fairly close, just not as directly.
          It's along the lines of "Iris did well, but unfortunately lost".

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I’ve heard different things about what it truly said. “Iris put up a brave fight but couldn’t close the gap” is another one. Is the implication that Cynthia almost lost or Iris did well in general?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what sucks is they actually could have told an interesting story about how such a bratty child became the champ
    Instead, for the 100+ episodes we're with her she remained an insufferable brat and only when she's brought back for nostalgia points does she suddenly swap around
    what a waste

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Swap around what? She still brags about becoming a Champion to Ash. She’s changed nothing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Comedy director Tomiyasu, pls understand.

      This is who you wanted as Champion?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically yes. Zoomers wouldn't get it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Do you have anything better to do than hating on younger viewers?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Comedy director Tomiyasu, pls understand.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Time is handled ambiguously in the anime, while for us who see the story from Ash's point of view it seems like years, within his universe it's barely a couple of months, making many non-canon events.

    Also since her appearance established Iris as a prodigy, her 6 year old self could easily have swept Ash and Gary out of the Johto league.

    Ash instead is used depending on the plot, but the core of the character is being a hard work character (and with a lot of luck) against talented characters like Gary, Iris, or Leon. Only in Kalos and some movies was he treated as the chosen one and it was terrible at the plot level.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So it makes more sense that Iris became Champion before him?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes it does

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        She had a block, all for basing her entire strategy on a single pokemon. It was thanks to her journey with Ash that she managed to overcome this and when they said goodbye to him she continued her path alone.

        It could be said that (apart from the obvious convenience of the script) what delays Ash in his growth as a trainer are his friends, they are always helping him and do not allow him to grow by himself, an example is that now that he stopped traveling through a region and only dedicated himself to fighting in a ranking tournament, his level rose exceptionally. Just look at how strong and confident Ash is from the AU's films.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So his friends are the one who are holding him back. Not the other way around?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            So you’re saying that Iris got interested in badge collecting after her series?

            Possibly, being off screen the writers can justify any shit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          During BW Iris was show to already be around Ash's level (since BW Ash was a retard).

          And in the time they were separated we saw Ash rise from Top 8 in the Unova League to Runner-up in Kalos and finally to Champion in Alola. It's not too far-fetched to imagine Iris went through a similar progression, especially when you consider that she has always used the same pokémon team, instead of swapping them around every time she changed regions like Ash does.

          So you’re saying that Iris got interested in badge collecting after her series?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also since her appearance established Iris as a prodigy, her 6 year old self could easily have swept Ash and Gary out of the Johto league.
      So a bullshit Mary Sue got it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Look what all that Mary Sueness got her! It’s almost like the writers don’t give a shit !

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        She can’t be a Mary Sue if she had a hard time bonding with her Excadrill for years and took a while for her Dragonite to listen to her. And not to mention since becoming champion she went 0-2

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Still became a fucking champion despite not having the drive for it like a rival character

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Who cares?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Serena shitters and racists mostly

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Anipoke filled with over aged white men? Racist? Oh never, how could that be? Racism? Noo

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I do. It's bad writing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Do you think the writers gives a shit?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                how are the paths of "Dragon Master" and "Champion" so dissimilar that you can't see them leading down similar paths?
                If anything, Iris seeing Ash do the gym challenge while she was with him is a reasonable impetus for her to realize the similarities, and thus decide to do it herself after. She was busy with Axew at the time, and that' where her focus was, but with that resolved It really isn't that much of a leap anon.
                I don't get why you feel the way you do

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't get why you feel the way you do

                Oh really? You don't WHY they're feeling that way?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You don't WHY they're feeling that way
                did you burst an aneurysm or something

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You’re not far behind if you don’t know how to use capitalization and punctuation. Still gonna bitch about bad writing?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >still gonna bitch about bad writing
                you seem really confused if that's what you're asking me
                I suggest you try reading again

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Exactly.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > how are the paths of "Dragon Master" and "Champion" so dissimilar that you can't see them leading down similar paths?
                They aren't but she did fuck all to reach that goal while she was on screen.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Despite that her title is:

          Kek

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ugh
            it looks like a fucking seven eleven

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Ash takes 7 attempts to become a champion for various circumstances. Either he wasn’t ready(Kanto, Unova), there was just somebody better than him(Johto, Hoenn & Kalos) or Arceus just really hated him that day(Sinnoh).
    >We know that becoming a champion is a huge deal and that means you’re a super strong trainer as demonstrated by Cythnia and others
    >BW demonstrated that Iris is basically on par with Ash in terms of strength as demonstrated when she beat him in that tournament in the finals and getting a Dragonite is basically a huge buff(ignore it’s jobber status later)
    Im perfectly fine with her becoming a champion but it would have been satisfying if we had some sort of mini arc/special showcasing it. Like her Axew evolved off screen and became a powerhouse. It should be the coolest thing ever but again this was just off screen.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    During BW Iris was show to already be around Ash's level (since BW Ash was a retard).

    And in the time they were separated we saw Ash rise from Top 8 in the Unova League to Runner-up in Kalos and finally to Champion in Alola. It's not too far-fetched to imagine Iris went through a similar progression, especially when you consider that she has always used the same pokémon team, instead of swapping them around every time she changed regions like Ash does.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    She started battling at an age younger than Ash and she actually trains a set party once she became a champion. What you should be asking is how Ash is able to defeat all these champions with a team he started training months ago, but I know ashnimefags like to ignore the plot armor he gained past BW.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What you should be asking is how Ash is able to defeat all these champions with a team he started training months ago
      You’re acting as if people haven’t been doing that already.
      >His Dragonite was able to one shot Korrina’s Mega Lucario
      >His Lucario that he got over a span of a few months is somehow stronger than Korrina’s Lucario that she’s raised for years

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What you should be asking is how Ash is able to defeat all these champions with a team he started training months ago
      The way I see it is that most of those pokemon were already high level and thanks to the huge amount of experience (badges) they behave like puppies with Ash, if it were Ash from Kanto they would behave like a group of Charizard not obeying or respecting his trainer.

      And in Lucario's case, Ash gave him intensive training thanks to his previous experience with all the Lucario trainers he met, as well as his natural advantage in having such a particular Aura.

      In the case of Dracovish I have no excuse, does anyone know at what level the Galar fossils are given to you when they are created?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        15

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What about the interest in badges?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Iris has been a trainer longer than Ash and any other companion, and even won more battles than Ash.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why do Iris haters suddenly forget about this?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because she was just strong in her village. Why she fought a real competitor she got wrecked and lost then her Excadrill lost it stopped listening to her for years and only had her Axew which she didn’t use for battling.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Except she ended up beating that Haxorus and that competitor considered giving her his Gym since he was so impressed. Why are you forgetting these details?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Was this after she met Ash and Cilan or before?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              After

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I was referring to when she was younger and got wrecked by Drayden. Iris isn’t an incompetent battle given that she did beat Ash

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And you think a 6 year old would have done better?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No but I’m sure his Pokémon wouldn’t outright ignore him for years

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                She barely commanded him after that and went to school almost immediately after. She made it clear she never sends out to battle. Did you watch the show or just came to shit on Iris?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I stopped watching BW. I don’t hate the character or want to shit on her I just noticed that she’s way more flawed than Ash

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And you think a 6 year old would have done better?

                Do you think a 6 year old Ash would have done any better?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              All they remember is “what a kid” and nothing else. Static in their mind after that

              Ok but is Ash now stronger than Iris?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                because I want to know
                Also Iris looks like a 14 years old teenager

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > Why she fought a real competitor
          You mean Drayden?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        because they didn't watch BW

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          All they remember is “what a kid” and nothing else. Static in their mind after that

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Irisbros I’m so happy we united to make sense of the sensical. She won

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is Ash stronger than Iris?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Time is weird in Pokemon. Not even a year has passed in-universe. Iris might've been getting it in for the same length of Ash off-screen.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      *for same length of time as Ash

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Iris went on a journey across the world battling and meeting dragon trainers and dragon Pokémon before she came back to a Unova to become Champion. Why did you speedwatch the episode before making this thread?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We didn’t see it happen on screen. It just came an off screen adventure to make her out to be cool than she actually is.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They literally do that for every single returning companion. I hate Iris as much as the next guy but I’m not gonna say disingenuous stuff to shit on her.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are you saying you'd want a whole Iris solo special series? I'd be down for that too, would be way more fresh than more Ash, good idea anon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Like a 4 parter in the same style as the Mega Evolution specials or better yet I would have sacrificed a good chunk of JNs episodes in order to see her progress. It’s not like we’re losing anything if we don’t see Ash & Pikachu for a a few episodes. Hell they literally did that in JNs with that Goh flashback episode

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Like the four parter we got on how Steven became Champion?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Steven only appeared in 1 episode back in AG and seeing him again in XY as champion doesn’t bother me. Wallace was the champion and he didn’t even appear in his debut generation it was just DP and we never saw him again until JNs. Same thing with Lance becoming champion in JNs, we know he was an E4 member in Johto and AG and we never saw him again, also Kanto/Johto never had an established champion back in the original series so it’s fine. Iris’ case is different became she was a main character. I don’t know why this simple concept is hard for people to understand.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > Iris’ case is different became she was a main character

                WAS as in no longer
                WAS

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Her involvement to the show is still important

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not really. BW ended 12 years ago and three series has past by. Journeys made her relevant again. This is no different than past Champions, you're just biased

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ash has like anti-plot armor. Instead of the plot conforming to his success, it instead drives a status quo of him losing just before the end so a soulless franchise doesn't have to end so they can keep selling merchandise.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Pokemon has soul, you retard

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >more far
    Further

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    She was the more interesting og the two Unova game champions to use for the M8 (due to her connection to Ash) so they halfassed her anime version to match the games

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Winner

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Shitris sucks

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