Thoughts on the new White Dwarf?

Thoughts on the new White Dwarf?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thoughts
    I have none

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Surviving for your species to live on at the expense of people who want you dead is amoral
      >People who think survival is a good thing are wrong about the setting
      When're y'all just gonna realise GW hates you, quit paying extortionate prices for their terrible products, and move to another wargame?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The survival is at the expense of other humans retard, and it's failing because the Imperium is collapsing.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The survival is at the expense of other humans retard
          I guess I can stop surviving and then those other humans will also die and we'll all feel better about how ethical our solution was while the Chaos gods are skullfucking our souls for the rest of eternity.

          >it's failing because the Imperium is collapsing.
          So let's die faster?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you have to keep letting me do the thing that isn't working and is killing us or you want us to die
            Nice Imperium LARP

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's about surviving at the expense of others rather than pulling together and maybe actually making life better for everyone.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              wtf is this the new leftist talking point
              >if people fight for your home, country people you are actually selfish
              >communism now
              I don't think communism can deal with aliens and daemons.
              Your comment is deranged stupidity.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Jesus Christ GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE FANDOM IF YOU WANT TO TURN IT INTO FUCKING GAY UTIOPIAN SPACE COMMUNISM YOU FUCKING gay.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >fandom
                Back to tumblr

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you first moron. 40k at its inception was game of thrones tier "everyone is being shitty to everyone there are no good guys in the 41st millenium there is only war". it wasnt until around 4th where fags like you started actually sipping imperial koolaide

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                GW really screwed the pooch on that front. You'd think people would be able to recognize that the side that has Judge Dredd clones is not the good guys but GW definitely played with fire by constantly taking the setting more and more seriously, and in the end they got burnt by a bunch of people who genuinely think that the Imperium is not only not bad but something they identify with emotionally and spiritually.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you are an idiot, Judge Dredd is satire. 40k isn't Judge Dredd you fucking dunce.
                Its a pastiche.
                Also the idea fucking super soldiers gene soldiers are always bad wrong is asinine.
                Marines arent fucking clones either you stupid pearl clutching gay.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm talking about Adeptus Arbites you actual retard.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no one knows wtf you are talking about the Adeptus Arbites are not clones, cloning is banned in the imperium, they are just a homage to dredd nott actual dredd you fecal brained moron and a minor part of the setting in comparison to marines.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You actual retard arbites are not clones. 40k is a different universe.

                When I say clones I mean copies of the concept. 40k included Judges because they wanted to show the close ties to 2000AD, which is deeply satirical and represents a bad society.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you are fucking stupid no one can understand you because you neither know dredd or 40k
                Judges are clones.
                Arbites are just cops that are left over from GW owning the ip rights.
                40k was always played more straight than 2000ad they are different companies after all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >40k was always played more straight than 2000ad they are different companies after all.
                More straight, yes, but certainly not straight outright. At least not from the start. Morons like you wouldn't have gotten into it if it hadn't gotten more serious over time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                40k is not 2000ad you retard. if they made it just like 2000ad theyd get sued.

                Ah yes, the 'I'm not mad, you are' defense. Classic.

                you are mad as fuck and at people enjoying a scifi setting straight, apparently you think its dangerous kek.
                bedwetting pansy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >40k is not 2000ad you retard. if they made it just like 2000ad theyd get sued.
                Whoops my bad. Next you're going to tell me those aren't Xenomorphs, they're Genestealers! When someone puts in clear homages to things they appreciate, they're trying to tell you what kind of story they're making. In this case, 40k is a darkly humorous setting based on being as absurdly over the top and brutal as possible.
                >apparently you think its dangerous kek.
                I think it's stupid and has ruined the game, but I don't think it's dangerous. This is not a big issue for me, I just enjoy arguing on Ganker.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >stupid redditor can see references
                >thinks hes a genius.
                you sad strange little man you have my pity.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Genuine question, not asking this as some sort of own, when did you come to Ganker? I'm a newfag, I came in '09.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You actual retard arbites are not clones. 40k is a different universe.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >played with fire
                jfc take your meds and lie down you are sick in the head.
                Not everything has to be silly rick or morty you fucking retarded pearl clutcher.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can you write like like an adult? I'd like to see you try. If you have a problem with 40k not taking itself seriously go yell at the creators of 40k, not me.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                can you stop acting like a hyper emotional hysteric soccer mom?
                The fuck are you saying playing with fire? you retarded moral panic moron idiot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah yes, the 'I'm not mad, you are' defense. Classic.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                kys you pony fucking furmoron

                Yes. Because previously they respected the player base enough to assume that when they saw a xenophobic authoritatrian fundamentalist regime, they'd figure it out themselves.

                >le xenophobic le authoritay
                jfc you actual racist fuck killer aliens are not a minorities allegory.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ok, i'll humour you. how do you propose the imperium should "pull together" with tyranids, orks, dark eldar or chaos forces? Mind you, the imperium does work with eldar and tau sometimes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah the idea the imperium doesn't engage in diplomacy is a sigmarxist meme.
                Its just 40k is the horrible scenario where most aliens are evil not cute and friendly.
                Sigmarxists are fools they circlejerk over the tau. despite taus diplomacy being called gunship diplomacy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >missing the point so hard
        You are the exact person this article was written for.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Written by a retard that knows nothing of WH40k, only nu40k. Can safely be disregarded and ignored.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ANYWAY
      >Please buy our latest book full of noble brave space marines and guardsmen
      >Don't look at them as gene-enhanced religious fundamentalists or evil fascist foot soldiers 😉 just buy the book 😉

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >So who are the good guys here?
      >The evil soul consuming timeless eldritch hellspawn that will torture humanity for all eternity and dismember, maim, liquify all before them?
      >Or the Husband / Father donning his PDF uniform and grabbing his las gun to fight them?
      >NEITHER, THEY'RE BOTH EVIL, NO GOOD GUYS

      I HATE NU-GAMESWORKSHOP, I HATE NU-GAMESWORKSHOP

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But anon, that PDF trooper is fighting to defend an empire with a state religion! He's equally evil!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Both are evil. Only the humble ork boy getting suited up to have a good ol' Krumpin' time is in the moral right.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ganker reaction image
        >illiterate
        Checks out. They said the PDF trooper can be heroic, but the Imperium isn't.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >a construct is not made up of its constituent parts
          You're a fucking idiot, just like ~~*"""White"""*~~ Dwarf.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >constituent parts
            The Imperium has for more parts than the noble PDF trooper

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if you defend your home from demons you are evil

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Imperium being evil doesn't mean every inhabitant of the Imperium is evil.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you want an ethnostate anon?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you fight your enemies they win.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I HATE NU-GAMESWORKSHOP, I HATE NU-GAMESWORKSHOP

        Why? Genuinely, why?

        /tg/ used to hate the more positive, noblebright etc. aspects creeping into Warhammer. Heroic Space Marines were being denounced as knock-off capeshit. GW now panders directly to you and tells that they're emphasising the grimdark again, giving you exactly what you wanted with no good guys, and you're STILL bitching.

        fa/tg/uys really are unpleasable tards.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Probably because you're replying to a newgay and that /tg/ isn't a hivemind you midwit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > emphasising the grimdark again
          It never fucking left????????
          Why do you dumb fucks keep fucking saying this shit have you fucking read a single campaign book what the fuck does this mean

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The trouble with warhammer fans is that they don't actually read the published stuff and prefer to engage with the setting through shitty wikis, memes and lore youtubers who also can't be bothered to read too much.

          People have been asking the same retarded question with a straight face for as long as
          i can remember.

          >Is the Imperium really that bad, cmon guys it's actually kinda ok

          And then GW comes out every single time to emphasize that yes, it's fucking awful, in fact it's the worst thing imaginable and this amazingly falls on deaf ears every time.

          It's almost like a game at this point.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can smell the fat incel shaking with rage as he screenshots this with his phone

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You seem to be the one that is upset, satan.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its almost like 40k is suppose to be grimdark and humanities survival and existence is built upon literal mountains of suffering.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe if they actually decided to use diplomacy instead of wiping out any advanced civilization, including human ones and simping for ancient tech, those mountains of suffering wouldn't be necessary.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tau tried that with Deldar, chaos and tryanids with predictable results
          >muh diplomacy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          diplomacy and adopting Archeotech wouldn't change the fact the imperium is built upon and sustained by institutions that are wholesale barabaric in their practices, hell even with a hundred Cawls working to start the wheel of progress again it wouldn't take a staggering long time for the institutions of the Imperium to adapt even a half measure of what they make.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            most people fail to grasp the retroness of the Imperium is intentional.
            They don't want to "modernise" by our standards.
            Its all an elaborate strategy to minimise danger,

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              precisely and many of those retroness designs have since become things beholden to themselves.

              Isn't the imperium literally described as "the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable." in the blurb that ends "There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods."

              Yes it does and while I understand Joe guardsman might be something approaching our modern concept of a decent guy and even possess heroic qualities he is not the Imperium as a whole.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Isn't the imperium literally described as "the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable." in the blurb that ends "There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods."

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why do you keep spamming this sigmarxist?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You keep denying basic reality and people keep correcting you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                40k isnt reality. and the opening text is hyberbole and not exactly true

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the explicit opening text is false
                >the words I imagined in the warhammer community post are true
                Fascinating

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Priestly the guy who wrote it said its hyperbole. Its just dramatic exaggerated flavour text
                Reminder 40k has unreliable narration 😉

                Its entirely true to say its wrong because there are worse "regimes" described in 40k

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Priestly the guy who wrote it said its hyperbole
                Did he actually say this, or are you imagining more words between the lines?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                he did in an interview he said the opening text is hyberbole.
                Also parts of it dont make literal sense in the lore. Like "will of the gods"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Its like saying no one in the medieval era was good or no one in ww2 was good.
                The article you're raging at says the Imperium has good people in it. You're really bad reading aren't you?
                >he did in an interview he said the opening text is hyberbole
                Post the line

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't see it mentioned anywhere else in the thread (i.e. specifically the opening blurb), it was my 1st post in this thread, and I don't know what a sigmarxist is. I know who Sigmar is, and I know who Marx is, but I don't see the crossover.

                40k isnt reality. and the opening text is hyberbole and not exactly true

                Priestly the guy who wrote it said its hyperbole. Its just dramatic exaggerated flavour text
                Reminder 40k has unreliable narration 😉

                Its entirely true to say its wrong because there are worse "regimes" described in 40k

                It's hyperbole, sure, but it's at the start for a reason. It's to set the tone. It doesn't matter if they're right that killing ten billion people is nescesary to save more lives, it's still a cruel and bloody act.

                >Priestly the guy who wrote it said its hyperbole
                Did he actually say this, or are you imagining more words between the lines?

                To be fair to them, I reckon Dark Elves have a crueller and bloodier regime.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't care any more. I play how I want. It's my hobby, not theirs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They hated him because they told them the truth.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"waah waah the writers said that the hecking imeriumrino is le bad"
      I want zoomers who don't get the setting to leave

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you dont get the setting you lying retarded freak

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the only good guys are... you! the players!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >>the only good guys are... you! the players!
        >unless you voted for Trump. Then you worse than anything in the worlds of Warhammer!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the ethics of an invading space empire of Kafkaesque proportions cannot be condoned under the lens of real-world morality
      Yeah no fucking shit. Next article: We, A Bunch of First World SciFi Writers with Cushy Jobs, Would Probably Disagree with the Rampant Murder, Slavery, and Wretched Transhumanism found on Planet Athas

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you talking about the D&D setting Dark Sun? If you are then go even further with your rant about how the SJWs are ruining a good thing, And how Athas much like other grimdark settings shows us how things can be if we do not fight for our right to be free.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this supposed to be a big news flash or something? Who's going around saying any of these factions are good? The whole point of 40k was that it was a big meatgrinder of endless war between hyper militant species.
      I can't quite put my finger on it, but I feel like this has something to do with punching nazis. Am i correct?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd say so. This reads like the wind up to "as much as you enjoy our games you should never endorse any of the views expressed, even when you are subject to political, cultural and social attack from people who want your race exterminated"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The average twitter retard and 4chan-tourist lacks the fundamental concept of things in a fictional setting "make believe", and take any depiction of something they don't like in a setting as advocacy for that thing.

        So yes, it is obvious to anyone sane with a familiarity with the setting, but they still need to write something to point too to counter the screeching retards so Timmy's mom doesn't stop buying him his toys because of some shit she saw in some article that was just a series of angry tweets.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damn they are trying a bit too hard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Apparently there are no good writers either.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/66HCmaU.jpg

      Thoughts on the new White Dwarf?

      Normalgays can't understand make-believe so they need to dunning-kruger themselves into writing up shit like this to feel better about pretending to like the tabletop battles game where everyone is a murdering maniac.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      who the fuck writes this cringe?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There exist good people in 40k but no good factions or powers.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gimme the PDFs to the issue and maybe I can properly rate the article.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >this is a dark and edgy setting
    >there's no such thing as good guys
    >a racist army?? Warhammer is for everyone bigot

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't be disingenuous anon. That messaging is clearly calling out racists within the community.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That messaging is clearly calling out racists within the community.
        That's why he's upset

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Where?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The imperium is intolerant to the most extreme degree, towards anything different from them
      >One IG regiment is basically black genocide in space
      >Nooo you can't make fun of american Black tokenism online you chud!!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a racist army?? Warhammer is for everyone bigot
      >except for you.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what about AoS?
    the OP image clearly says "the worlds of warhammer" and uses an AoS image on it

    so where is the AoS "no good guys" or something similar statement?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are good guys in AoS.

      But it's not the stormshits.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >good guys
        >china/ba sing se indocrination crystal

        ah yes, there is no war in settlers gain

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's not evil if the humans it was used against are objectively anarchic chimps.
          Besides, nobody forced them to live there. If they dislike order so much, they're free to live in a human shithole like Hammerhal.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > human settlements on the interior of Hysh literally predate the existence of Lumineth in the Realms
            > THE HUMANS ARE FREE TO LEAVE!!!!
            GW writing is so shit. Human civilization literally predates the elves here. Why would they take the high and mighty bullshit from them?
            Especially when it's known to everyone they fucked over their own realm.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              While you're at it, why don't you go back to Europe and let the injuns own your country?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      good guys in AoS are the dudes that want to to destroy the travesty that is the setting

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ah, just like how it was in Fantasy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody is ever going to read aos lore to find out the answer to that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      GW only cares when it gets social media attention. AoS's current metaplot is how colonialism is good and needed and nobody bets an eye

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's multiracial humanity taking it back from monsters though. Anti colonialism is really just moaning about losing wars to Europeans.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          brit pilled assessment of colonialism
          literally same ideology as columbus

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but it's right though.
            England has done more for three world than any nation, especially at the expense of Europe

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Warhammer worlds is the name of the column, it wasn't about AoS this month

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    are there still any exclusive minis for being subbed to white dwarf?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lmao
      You get an exclusive subscribers version of white dwarf that just has art on the cover.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >who's the GOOD GUYS? i need to know who the GOOD GUYS are i can't mentally comprehend MORAL GREYNESS i need GOOD GUYS to self-insert into!
    This article was made for Americans.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you can't expect people to think too hard. they're only meant to be consumers after all

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >warhammer is le dark and edgy there are no good guys!
    >novels, codexes, and RPGs usually depict imperial life as fairly cozy and normal outside of hive shitholes, with imperial forces being depicted as unquestionably heroic and their enemies as unquestionably evil

    Really makes one ponder.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They've gotten increasingly nervous about the Imperium being perceived as the good guys over the last two years and I get the feeling it has a lot to do with them trying to sell a 40k film or tv series to streaming services or hollywood. Between this and the statement they put out last year it actually sounds like they're workshopping interview questions out loud

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >people are getting angry about warhammer 40k being grimdark
    uh

    The Imperium has never been good. Actually the problem is for the past 5-10 years (and really the thing to blame here is the Horus Heresy series) GW has been trying to write straight heroic narratives.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GW thinks they won't get taken behind the woodshack if they claim everyone is a chud and they don't have any opinions.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pretending like the Imperium aren't the good guys is just pandering to farleftists that don't buy the product. Its a lie and anti-fan drivel from schizos.
    I've talked to the looneys pushing this stuff to sanitise 40k and they sound like mentally ill extremists.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No it isn't. The Imperium have never been the good guys. The entire problem is somewhere in the late 2000s GW started writing them like they were.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Horus Heresy novels did this

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have to agree yeah. But we do still get stuff like this in recent Imperium codexes, so we can still qualify they are absolutely not "good".

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >orbital macro-laud hailers
            Every once in a while GW still has a good sense of humor

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Macro-laud hailers would be a nice thing to put on the table. The Sisters re-release started out vltra gothik, but the second wave was kinda tame by comparison. The Castigator can't compare to the Immolator or Exorcist, and the Nundams are nowhere near as ornate as they ought to be (and are just bad models but that's besides the point).

              We get so much of this shit that I have to wonder how anybody who is actually reading the shit GW releases could believe things are looking up for the imperium or they changed from grimdark

              It's because of the Horus Heresy. The Horus Heresy introduced a superheroic, there is a good guy and a bad guy narrative and it became one of 40k's most popular narratives ever. From a fluff perspective of mainline 40k the entire HH series was a mistake.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How did the HH do that? Even in the HH there’s are massive amounts of tragedies on both sides that implicitly caused. Like this is an earnest question I’m just starting to read these books and I don’t get that argument I see here. It seems like an extreme abstraction so far. Because all of these guys are fucking dickheads

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We get so much of this shit that I have to wonder how anybody who is actually reading the shit GW releases could believe things are looking up for the imperium or they changed from grimdark

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >anybody who is actually reading the shit GW releases
              Most of the people who talk about 40k on /tg/ don't engage with the tabletop at all

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Imperium have always been the good guys. Full stop.
        They are like the alliance in Warcraft.
        >b-but bad things happen
        Its just setting intrigue, internal drama, you know the setting. Get the fuck over it manchild pony fucker.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they have been the good guys since the 90s, they were conceived as the good guys by the original writers,

        nobody claims the imperium is good but dumb people still argue against these people that do not exist constantly

        The Imperium is the good guys, it just depends on how arbitrary and narrow your definition of good is.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >wanting your own race to survive is evil

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Imperium is killing its race

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's not grimdark that grimderp. Find me a story where the imperials are just killing their own for no reason.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I'm not going to accept evidence so go find me some evidence
          Diasporex

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your ramblings isn't evidence. Xenos and xeno sympathizers have to die so that the race can live.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >so that the race can live
              The galaxy is almost imeasurably worse off than when the Imperium took control and humanity is closer to extinction than ever.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not through the actions of the imperium. If they sat around and did nothing everybody would be dead. Ywnbawbtw

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >in charge
                >everything keeps getting worse
                >kill anyone who wants to try anything different
                >uh but you can't blame me even though I'm in charge
                You're sadly retarded

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                keeps getting worse
                No, you're in charge for real right now and everything is getting worse. Haven't you noticed?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you're in charge for real right now
                Not sure who you think I am, schizo

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People that share your ideals are in power and the entire country is falling apart. Because of gays like you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >have no idea what my ideals are
                >have no idea what country I'm from
                >have a schizo fit because he can't cope that the fictional space marines are losing

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What country are you from, friend? That applies to anywhere you could be from.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know right? If only Joe Biden was on the Golden Throne all those nasty Tyranids would go away and the Eye of Terror would close forever, then we could be friends with the Tau and Eldar forever.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Abyssal_Crusade
          Can't wait for your mental gymnastics about why killing off thirty loyalist space marine chapters for insane internal politics was a good idea

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Worse still, those Adeptus Astartes Homeworlds that lay in the path of the Warp Storm had their gene-seed corrupted

            Wow, you're a total gay that can't even read your own sources.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So the Saint was correct and the Imperium was wrong when they killed all his followers for sending the marines there? How can the Imperium be justified in killing all those marines and also be justified in wiping out all the Saints followers for that crime? Try reading the whole article next time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The entire point of that story is that the guy was a servant of chaos and a false god. I'm failing to see what your point even is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You just said he was justified in killing those marines though? You seem lost and confused.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm going to break it down nice and simple for you. You said the imperium is killing its own race. I asked for examples of the imperium killing their own race for no reason and your example was an agent of chaos sowing chaos and causing imperials to be killed. So your example of the imperium killing their own is chaos killing imperials.

                You seem like you're a massive self-hating gay.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'll break it dow nice and simple for you. Basillius was an authoritarian lunatic who ended up killing his own people with the support of the rest of the government who helped cover up his mistake. Only when he was dead was he retroactively declared a traitor, and the new set of authoritarian lunatics purged all his followers.

                If you want a real life example of this dynamic, the Soviet Union was full of it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the Imperium kills marines all the time its part of the job. You lorelet.
                Ever since the HH and Badab marines are carefully watched.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the Imperium kills marines all the time
                QED

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah its called 40k where ancient dudes jizz century-old dust over bureaucratic busy work while scribes die chained to their desk for 20 hour work days and slaves hand load cannons because technology is controlled by a cargo cult with a fetish for lobomoties.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >MUH SHADES OF LE GREY
    >NOOOO HECKING CHAOSRINOS ARE MISUNDERSTOOD
    >EMPEROR IS BIG BAD MAN!
    well this shit is confirmed gay chud shit now

    good riddance

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Orcs can't be savages and evil, but humans also can't be normal and good.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Emperor IS big bad man because he wiped out cool aliens that could've made for interesting units and mini-codexes.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lol the amount of imperium retards in this thread that are triggered by this article just shows how much of a problem these kinds of people have become in the warhammer community. The only argument against this is that GW has painted the imperium in a more positive light themselves, so the article is hypocritical, otherwise it's based and does truly represent what 40k is about

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >kafka trap desperation

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. arrived in the fandom literally three weeks ago
      The Imperium measures human lives in the hundreds of trillions. Sacrificing ten million to save twelve million is cold, cruel rationality.
      Humanity may not be 'the good guys' but they're as good as any race can be and not be wiped out by other races.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Imperium is being wiped out though. They are losing. All the HARD MAN HARD CHOICES justifications fall apart because they're losing.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I miss the days when the story was just called “fluff” and not “lore”.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Strange that when Ganker terms got popular everything on this board got worse, innit?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good? Bad? /Mydudes/ are the ones with the guns.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >have to start making things up and change the subject because you're not smart enough to process space marine fluff
    I accept your concession.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Spoken like the true gay you are. You know very well what this is all about. The people claiming orcs can't be depicted as savages are the people making this new shit up. I fucking hate miserable fucks like you. You coward.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why can't you accept that no one is a good guy in 40k?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why do you want noblebright 40k? Why are you trying to change it? Why are you trying to take my hobby from me? Why are you trying to ruin 40k?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The countries that opposed the soviets are good countries in your eyes?

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kept buying it long after it went to shit but I still kicked the habit before the late 2000s

    wouldn't know what it's like but it would have to have picked up a hell of a lot for me to buy it ahead of literally any other wargaming magazine

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hysterical that all the newfags getting upset about this. 20 years ago, shit even 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been controversial. Everyone knew and accepted that the imperium was another bad guy. That's half the point of the whole fucking setting. You secondaries should read a fucking codex once in a while, especially the old ones.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no we didn't stop lying. 20 years ago everyone just enjoyed the setting. People like you were no where to be seen.
      Fuck off with your leftist "we are the real fans" bullshit.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All my armies are explicitly evil and that's why I support them. The obvious message from this is "no pls stop posting that the imperium is justified on social media, you're supposed to be mildly ashamed of your armies politics but also buy more" and it's solely because of the bad publicity it gets them, and this deserves mockery.

    But the truth is the absolute dire state of morality in warhammer is by far the greatest appeal and it is entirely true that anyone who's attracted to any one army because they're the "good guys" deserves their faction to be wiped out with plague bombs. I hope my faction enslaves yours down to a man solely to convert your spinal juice into a mildly effective anti troop rifle. Warhammer is awful and I want to make things much worse for everyone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based. I play Nids and Orks, I'm not out for this noblebright bullshit. I'm out there to rip off limbs and beat people to death with the soggy end.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Q. Are there good guys?
    >A. No, there is only war.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Saying the Imperium is bad and people are bad for enjoying them.
    Is like saying the Medieval era is bad and anyone that ever enjoys any medieval era inspired RPG, book or table top game is also evil.
    In the end its just fantasy.
    The Imperium is the holy army of holiness smiting badguys in defence of humanity but it also has dungeons with ironmaidens and tone nail removal. Big whoop.
    If you can accept anti-hero you can accept the Imperium.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      toe nail*

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fucker, they literally say your not a bad person for enjoying them.

      Are you the kind of fucking moron who can't enjoy something without 100% agreeing with the media?

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah the imperium sucks but there are still brave men and women who take up arms to defend their homes. Space Marines are obviously heroic in a lot of their actions when they're not turning to chaos or establishing their own fifedoms. How is a sister of battle who's dedicated herself to killing demons and crazed cultists to defend her fellow man evil? They're pushing too far here.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because those same Space Marines will ruthlessly and unhesitatingly kill tons of people if asked by the Imperium. They will abide the Inquisition throwing surviving guard regiments who encountered Daemons into Death Camps. They'll shell entire cities if they do not comply with Imperial command, no matter if those rebelling have a point. They will butcher defenseless, innocent and peaceful species when asked, and will conduct war on entire systems.

      By their existence, Space Marines only exist because of grueling and gruesome recruitment methods that most aspirants will not survive. Behind every valiant son of the Emperor, there are literal mountains of dead aspirants who died in training or during surgery. Behind every bolt shell are hundreds of dead factory slaves. In every starship, there are thousands of menials whose entire life will consist of pulling a chain to load a gun.

      Sisters of Battle, vice versa, will purge and light you up on a pyre if you so much as disagree with the Emperor. They are zealots.

      At the end of the day, these characters can be heroic, but they are complicit In the cruelest regime imaginable. Just because they serve some greater purpose does not make themselves good. The same could be said of any 40k race.

      Can you say Necrons are good because they fight for the survival of the Necron species? Are Orkz good? Are Tyranids good? Survival is such a nothing burger of a "good" purpose in fiction, because by what right does the Humanity have more of a reason than the Tau or Eldar? It's a valid reason to fight, to resist or wage war, but I wouldn't call survival "good". Especially when it involves conquest and aggressive war. It's one thing to protect your home, but where does it end?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >nooo le hecking people are bad!
        >those aliums? doctors and lawyers, just misunderstood!
        this poster is gnomish

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Your missing the point. Imagine we were all Eldar. Would everything the Eldar have done been right and good, because hey, I'm an Eldar, so any action that protects and promotes the Eldar species is good, right?

          It doesn't matter who or what we are, we could be literal Dark Eldar tier monsters, but hey, any action that helps the Eldar is good! So by definition, Dark Eldar are good people! There can be no bad guys so long as they are helping the Eldar.

          >innocent and peaceful species
          >40k

          how do you tourists find this place

          I'm beginning to believe these posters saying you guys are legit shills

          I'm not going ask you to even bother looking up the thread because your missing the point entirely anyway.

          Let's just assume that, hey, you know what, there aren't any peaceful species. That still doesn't make the Imperium the good guys anymore than it makes the Tyranids the good guys. The Imperium, in 40k, might have more good qualities than Orkz and Dark Eldar, and let's not even talk about Chaos. But it's always been a point that the Imperium does a lot of fucked up shit, or let's so much bullshit slide. They might even be justified in some of it, but that still doesn't make you a good person.

          Do we want to talk about the purges in the Imperium? Of Fenris? If Armageddon? Or of the absurdly wasteful wave tactics endorsed by the Death Korps? Or of the Valhallans? How about the numerous, numerous atrocities committed by the Inquisition, and how they keep falling to Chaos anyways? Remember the Celestial Lions? How about the Marines Malevolent? What about all the Lobotomization of people into Tech Thralls or servitors? What about the way that the Imperium keeps letting Chaos worshippers into positions of power despite having numerous systems in place to stop it? Let's not even talk about how three fourths of the Imperium are in a brutal stranglehold by two different cults that will purge you for unorthodox beliefs?

          How about you prove to me that Imperium is good? Give me posts showing people living happy, Comfortable lives, or how it provides some nebulous benefit besides survival?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think you hallucinated that I said the imperium are "good guys". Funny post though, you sure are a smart boy, look at all those examples! You're so knowledgeable!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Then explain yourself, what do you think the Imperium is? What point are you even making?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's like 2 posts in that conversation from me and they're both pretty straightforward. Still funny that you made such a longwinded adversarial post asking me to prove the imperium is good (Seriously, only a stupid person would ask that).

                >what point are you making
                2 posts up there you can read, thats all I've said

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's your point? And why are you back tracking? Or furthermore, if you think the Imperium aren't good guys, then what's your problem with my post? That I talked about peaceful species in 40k?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretending 40k stories are about space marines killing innocent peaceful aliens is laughable. Completely deranged postings.

                You know what, fair enough. I'll concede that for the most part, those aliens don't exist since they're already dead. But that was the point I was trying to make from the start anyways.

                Everyone is evil. Those guardsmen should be doing something not evil instead. They are morally repugnant. All the workers too on assembly lines, evil evil evil.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I already conceded that first part, but it's more deranged to think that number one, that just because you do evil things doesn't mean you are 100% evil. Number two, yes, those guardsmen really shouldn't be propping up the cruelest regime imaginable. Some might not have any other option, or any way to change it, but just because it's their only option doesn't make it not evil. Maybe a necessary evil, but still evil overall. L

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are the factory workers evil?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By some degree, yes. A relatively minor one, and when weighed against the injustice done against them, they should be absolved of it if they were to be judged. But at the end of the day, they're still making the very weapons used to keep them, and others, enslaved. But any given person can be both good and evil at the same time.

                Would you say a German who worked in a chemical refinery evil? Probably not, but he still helped gas the garden gnomes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Would you say a German who worked in a chemical refinery evil? Probably not, but he still helped gas the garden gnomes.
                Anon, remember where you are.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they should be absolved of it if they were to be judged

                That doesn't sound like they're very evil then, if their sin is small and forgivable. Anyway, what should they do to be less evil? How does he live a moral life? This indentured slave making shitty lasguns.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There's like 2 posts in that conversation from me and they're both pretty straightforward. Still funny that you made such a longwinded adversarial post asking me to prove the imperium is good (Seriously, only a stupid person would ask that).

              >what point are you making
              2 posts up there you can read, thats all I've said

              There's like 2 posts in that conversation from me and they're both pretty straightforward. Still funny that you made such a longwinded adversarial post asking me to prove the imperium is good (Seriously, only a stupid person would ask that).

              >what point are you making
              2 posts up there you can read, thats all I've said

              Are you

              Yeah the imperium sucks but there are still brave men and women who take up arms to defend their homes. Space Marines are obviously heroic in a lot of their actions when they're not turning to chaos or establishing their own fifedoms. How is a sister of battle who's dedicated herself to killing demons and crazed cultists to defend her fellow man evil? They're pushing too far here.

              ? Or

              >innocent and peaceful species
              >40k

              how do you tourists find this place

              I'm beginning to believe these posters saying you guys are legit shills

              ?

              To be clear, yes, the Sisters of Battle are evil. Everyone is evil. That's 40k. You may feel that there is plenty of room between "good" and "evil", and that may be the case sometimes, but the Imperium is evil. It's only non-evil in the sense that survival is a non-evil goal, but that goes for every other faction.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Everyone is evil

                This is the logical conclusion for the smart boy

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You know what, fair enough. I'll concede that for the most part, those aliens don't exist since they're already dead. But that was the point I was trying to make from the start anyways.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i too thought it was truely evil with those sisters helped the poor get drinking water. Or gave them shelter from an invasion
                I was shocked and appalled such an evil act.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >innocent and peaceful species
        >40k

        how do you tourists find this place

        I'm beginning to believe these posters saying you guys are legit shills

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >how do you tourists find this place
          they usually come from chud discords and screencaps on reddit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and peaceful species
          They exist, newfag. Diasporex, Adarnian to name just two.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wow that sounds like 30k to me retard.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the imperium killed a bunch of innocent species and now there are none left so they can't kill innocent species anymore this makes them moral
              Actually retarded

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >headcanon

                You're actually making me think

                >how do you tourists find this place
                they usually come from chud discords and screencaps on reddit

                is correct and I don't want to think that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >name canon species
                >call it headcanon
                cope

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >took 20 minutes to come up with that
                >pretends to think I was calling the aliens headcanon and not the claim he made in the post I replied to

                I think you actually are a tourist from somewhere, wow.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>took 20 minutes to come up with that
                Sorry I'm not staring at Ganker hitting refresh all day like you are

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Hitting refresh

                This actually shows you're a tourist, nobody needs to refresh.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's actually proof I'm not a tourist because I've been here since before auto-refresh existed, and old habits die hard.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        SoB also
        help the poor
        Protect the weak
        Fight slavery
        Defend pilgrims
        etc

        Also your perspective of marines is twisted and wrong,
        At least when the lore was good. Marines were highlighted as being semi-independent of the Imperium. A few chapters had the honour of being referred to as the peoples champions for siding with the people over the Imperium. Like the Space Wolves.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the peoples champions for siding with the people over the Imperium. Like the Space Wolves.
          You said the Imperium was the good guys though? How can the Space Wolves be the champions of the people for getting into violent conflict with the Imperium if the Imperium is a champion of the people?

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Feels like a strawman argument anyway, I've never seen someone ask who the "good guys" in 40k were but I guess with the large amount of autists in this hobby anything's possible.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its all because of TDS and antifa schizos triggered over drumpf memes and the imagery of the Imperium.
      Theres nothing more to it.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Nobody’s saying you’re a bad person for enjoying the imperium
    That is kind of what they're saying. Why are you enjoying this fascist hellhole setting chud???

    >shouldn’t use a fictional dystopia as a model for real life politics, nor should you project your politics into the fictional dystopia.
    What does this mean? Are people trying to impose imperial policies in real life politics? Does the second thing refer to God Emperor Trump stuff which is the same as the current dark brandon stuff?

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    didn't you just contradict yourself in the last post.
    You are pushing your politics on the setting.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >leftypol spamming its retarded shit in the thread again.
    Yes i plan to recreate the Imperium irl, complete with warp travelling space ships.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I find it funny people chimp out at 40k but not Dune for having the same themes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but you see people didn't make worm Emprah drumpf memes. So 40k bad. This is just spiteful marxist revenge against the 40k fandom. Most of which aren't even american.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's literally just sjw i've noticed the same exact gays doing it in multiple fandoms from Fallout to Duke Nukem.
        They are the pearl clutchers of old. The basic mentality is anything male or edgy is scary and must be only thought of as "satire" and juvenilised. Otherwise it will result in zombie hitler being resurrected from hell. And normal men will transform into savage baby eating murdering rapists.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          40k hasn't been very satirical in this millennium yet you see it brought up constantly by people who hate the setting and likely hate you personally for liking it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah i see it constantly in all sort of setting fandoms. It's always the same hysteric reaction to anything a bit edgy.
            It has to be the same small group of people doing it

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It absolutely is the same group. And they are absolutely small (they literally used votebots in the battletech community and everyone called them out on it)
              They just scream the loudest. Someone just needs to say "No" and wait for them to get tired and go away.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah i see them on yourube/social media comments.
                Every time GW bends the knee they celebrate ruining 40k. Then you can see im the comments they start suggesting the next fandom to ruin

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Satanic panic was decades early.
          Funny as these people believe unironically in Donald trump executing a real life order 66 (presumably called order 1488) and having all white people activate like sleeper agents to conduct ethnic genocides.
          They unironically believe that.
          >Pic unrelated

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            a few years ago i saw a forum thread on a 40k fansite demanding the entire setting be rewritten because of "nazis".
            Strangely all the people advocating this were all from Scandinavia.

            Coincidentally there was a very real satanic panic in sweden by anti-male feminists

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This might shock you, but new generations literally stop reading books. They only read quick synopsis and wiki articles. All the meaty stuff you reference from Dune is in the books.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If this means no female SM, I'm ok with that. Fem SM belong to hentai.

    Reads like, the setting is this, if you complain about real world issues reflecting or not reflecting in the setting, you are wrong. If you praise the ideas in the setting, you are also wrong.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    That's my greatest wish, just send me the money so that I could fuck off.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The Imperium has all of those things anyway

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Guillimam is a white straight blond guy and is currently a hero, so are all guardsmen who get books written about them or Mephiston who recently got a book too.
      WHFB and 40k have had women warriors forever, but it doesn't make it like a netflix series where ALL white men are dumb fucks who need saving from women. Both 40k and AoS are currently safe from that shit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >watching netflix shows
        Why?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't, but I know what they're like because my shitty coworkers keep trying to make me watch them.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe the real good guys were the miniatures we painted along the way

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >y-you're just as bad as us
    The US is winning and Russia is losing, cope.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    do they really need to explain this to new players to avoid making them accidentally think over the top fascist regimes are cool?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      oh but also, dont forget warhammer is for everyone and the empire is multicultural and inclusive, there is absolutely no place for racism among humans in the warhammer universe

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >NO MY PLASTIC ARMY MEN FLUFF IS VERY SERIOUS PROOF ABOUT WHY FASCISM IS BASED THE LEFTISTS CANT TAKE THIS FROM ME
    Meds

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for literally proving my point by injecting your politics into it once again.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >the majority has to repeat the insanity of the minority because they're afraid of the minority calling them names
    How about no.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Meds

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gonna need a link to the archived post pls

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >spoonfeed me I'm retarded
        No thanks

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How rude

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    40k has nothing to do with the american presidency you unhinged idiot.

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    you're playing a shitty overpriced game made for retarded children

    you can keep it chud

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >want an irl imperium

    You are actually an insane person.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >If the govt is bad nobody is good
    Do Europeans really think this way?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I can't read

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How did you learn to write without being able to read?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      looking at the Russina one might start to think so

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is GW so woke now ffs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's ran by fat old british dudes who weren't cool enough to actually work for the company when it was fun and are now bitter cunts who hate the setting

      no joke

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sad if true

  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Proof of modernist gayry.

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    40gay was always shit, go back to your containment thread.

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Friendly reminder, women you will never be real astartes

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I agree with this poster so fucking hard. The Imperium, and 40k as a setting, are fucking fictional. Let it be fictional. Some trying to change or justify the fucking Imperium of Man. It doesn't fucking exist. Stop trying to change it, or gaslight people into thinking it's something it's not.

    Just let it be the cruelest regime of mankind ever conceived, and enjoy 40k for what it is.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I agree with this poster so fucking hard
      Updooted!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nice downvote, redditer

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's spell redditor

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no, the Imperium is as Priestly said the best hope humanity has.

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nobody claims the imperium is good but dumb people still argue against these people that do not exist constantly

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are literally many posts in this thread saying the Imperium are the good guys.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        untrue

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Thoughts on the new White Dwarf?
    What issue and can someone post the PDF here?

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m autistic and live by the idea that no matter how bad things are Hell can get hotter. So I look at shit like chaos, deodar, tyranids, necrons, orks and think yeah the Imperium sucks but I’d rather work with them or the Tau. The imperium is feudal so you can reform your own demense if you somehow get one as many people constantly do in these books because otherwise it’s too silly to even work

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it’s too silly to even work
      Of course it is, it's a loose justification for unending tabletop battles

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Clown cars still need food
        And contrary to popular belief Clowns do not eat souls for sustenance

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I meant to say fuel but I have food on the mind
          Let me go get a smoothie

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >both sides
    alt-right gay

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shit magazine, shit games, shit company

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Salty Imperium fags crying again when you point out that the lives of just about every Imperial citizen is an utterly miserable joke and that the leaders of the faction are all deviant monsters that are only exceeded by the fact that there's elves and daemons who love torturing people for eternity in the setting. You will never be as cool as Tyranid players.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      but thats wrong. Be quiet you politically obsessed marxist cretin.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >vast majority of population of Imperium is found on miserable overcrowded hive worlds where you eat your fellow humans in the form of recycled corpse starch as a matter of course and where dying at the age of 26 is considered a long life
        >agriworld workers are worked to death farming as a serf
        >death worlds are allowed to exist because they're great recruitment fodder
        >bureaucratic worlds where you are a literal state slave of the Imperium bureaucracy for the entirety of your life
        >shrine worlds where the local sister of battle will run you through with a chainsword if you forget to say "praise the emperor" at the end of every sentence
        wow such wonders, truly this place is just misunderstood and GW is being mean to the Imperium

        >Be quiet you politically obsessed marxist cretin.
        The fuck are you talking about? Don't project your obsession with politics onto me, buddy, I didn't mention anything about IRL politics in that post, you schizoid.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cherry picking hyberbolic quotes isn't an argument. Why would anyone in the Imperium be fighting if there was nothing worth fighting for.
          The setting isn't uniformly "bad",
          You have an incredibly biased negative view of the setting. Motivated by politics.
          40k is NOT a political setting. Its not a political guidebook, its dystopic fiction.
          You are pointing out the obvious and whole appeal then criticising the setting for it.
          Go watch MLP if you do not like it.

          Why do i not see this level of seething at Dune or GoT? its a complete joke.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >dystopic fiction
            Correct
            >criticising the setting for it
            Wrong

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Stfu you moron cretin.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why would anyone in the Imperium be fighting if there was nothing worth fighting for.
            I don't think most people in the Astra Militarum are volunteers, anon. There wouldn't be a need for mandatory tithing of people to join it if that were the case.

            In any case, yes, it's dystopic fiction. I find the setting funny and enjoy playing goofy RPGs in it where the players are cheered as humanitarian heroes for only losing 60% of their soldiers. I also enjoy Dune and GoT, so I don't get the rambling you're doing right now or why you're mad at GW for saying, "Yeah, the Imperium is dystopic." You're not actually engaging with me, you're making up a version of me in your head that is a secret Marxist infiltrator grown in a vat and sent by nefarious powers to make you mad, but I'm just some dumbass shitposting about Warhammer 40k.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I'm not a "secondary" "/pol/ack" i'm a fan from the early 90s

    And just because i criticise YOU for pushing your marxist farleft politics into 40k. Doesn't mean i am doing the samething

    You have a nice day you dishonest lying rat abd leave 40k fans alone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >marxist far left

      please fuck off you illiterate burger

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how about you mcfucking die commie idiot.

        >the peoples champions for siding with the people over the Imperium. Like the Space Wolves.
        You said the Imperium was the good guys though? How can the Space Wolves be the champions of the people for getting into violent conflict with the Imperium if the Imperium is a champion of the people?

        Because the Imperium isn't a monolithic political regime like you see it due to your funky dumb politics.
        Theres different factions within it with conflicting aims and motivations.
        Marines don't like the Imperium for a number of reasons and vice versa.
        But they both fight for the same goal thats defending humanity.

        >Why would anyone in the Imperium be fighting if there was nothing worth fighting for.
        I don't think most people in the Astra Militarum are volunteers, anon. There wouldn't be a need for mandatory tithing of people to join it if that were the case.

        In any case, yes, it's dystopic fiction. I find the setting funny and enjoy playing goofy RPGs in it where the players are cheered as humanitarian heroes for only losing 60% of their soldiers. I also enjoy Dune and GoT, so I don't get the rambling you're doing right now or why you're mad at GW for saying, "Yeah, the Imperium is dystopic." You're not actually engaging with me, you're making up a version of me in your head that is a secret Marxist infiltrator grown in a vat and sent by nefarious powers to make you mad, but I'm just some dumbass shitposting about Warhammer 40k.

        But thats wrong retard. Imperial guard is a voluntary army. Thats why they have recruitment posters you moron.
        >mandatory tithe.
        thats a demand on the governor of a planet not on the people. its means tested too and a small percentage of their own planetary army

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If the Imperium is too divided to blame it when things go wrong why do you give them credit when things go right?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Imperium does plenty of good, you are fixated on the scale of the Imperium and other biases.
            Like seething at "imperialism"
            You just arent honest.
            There is no better way to run the Imperium. Certainly not communism, thatd be a disaster.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >there is no better way to run the Imperium
              Guilliman disagrees and he's the leader of it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Guilliman is new fluff from new writers self inserting.
                But Guilliman waking up and saying wow this isnt the way it was supposed to be is completely redundant. No shit it wasnt what they had planned out, Thats the entire point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Guilliamn has been in the setting for five years now. If you don't consider him part of the lore stop coming online to scream about your headcanon, nobody else is discussing the same thing as you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                and he was written by numales and gays like yourself
                even matt ward couldn't handle working alongside the current regime of self-hating wannabe chuds

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Matt Ward still works there

                nulore is garbage its not even 40k anymore which was explicitly the 41st millenium

                Its capeshit fanwank for marvel soibois
                >waaah why don't you accept my manchild headcanon
                because fuck you idiot.

                Seethe. 40k has more players than ever. You're a forgotten minority.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >40k is more mainstream than ever
                *yawn* no one who originally got into the golden age of 40k got into it because it was popular.
                The appeal was it was underground, grungey you know "punk"

                you are a boring consumerist whore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >irrelevant old man yelling about how he was cool for buying toys less people knew about

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I eat mcdonalds burgers and they sell the most burgers so obviously they have the bestest burgers in the world!
                this chud having a melty

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I eat mcdonalds burgers and they sell the most burgers so obviously they have the bestest burgers in the world!
                this chud having a melty

                >tfw i stopped buying mcdonalds and bought my own fresh ingredients to make their menu but better.
                and thats how the battle was won. I will just make my own 40k

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I will just make my own 40k
                Go do that then. What do you need the validation of 40k fans for?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                have you tried playing games that aren't made to push the newest amazeballs releases and aren't ugoigo trash?

                I am a 40k fan. just not a current fan of their new shit, ie what GW hates.
                cause i don't buy the latest flying squirrel champion.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >fan of shit
                >can't put it down just keep eating shit
                >I'm a 40k fan
                yea I can tell

                gw is a dinosaur in terms of gameplay, if you print models to play their games you're still a retard at the end of the day

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if you print models
                haha what a curious point to make. Why 3d printing exactly? GW employee?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you're a shill!
                dude 40k is garbage
                printing 40k models to play a shit game makes you a retard
                if you have a printer you could make models for a game that isn't dogshit

                but have fun wasting your time so you can save a few dollars and stick it to the man while you still show up and fap over terrishit lore and gw gayry

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                where did i imply anything you are saying? you are dogshit.
                I'll do what i like you scared little man.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I NEED TO PLAY 40k!
                yes I know
                I'm saying you are a retarded child and the game you play is dogshit
                again you print minis but refuse to broaden your horizons, and that makes you retarded

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if you spent all the time learning how to 3d print you should be smart enough to learn a new game that isn't made for literal retards

                I know this concept is actually hard to grasp for 40k tards because they only think in terms of gw games

                i didn't say anything about "playing" 40k you are retarded.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'll make my own 40k
                >by the way by "make" I mean read wiki articles I like and ignore the ones I don't and post about it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what do you think make your own 40k means esl? it means make your own game. Not copy 40k

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I refer to my game as 40k but it has nothing to do with 40k
                This is some insane backpedalling

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oh so you are making my point for me? my point was exactly the schizo replies.
                I can make my own thing.
                I don't see how doing your own thing equates to slavish GW support. You are an idiot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm a fan of gw
                >but not THAT gw I'm one of the SMART ones
                >Nah I don't play I just like the models
                >No I don't buy NEW models I just buy "johnny" recasts on ebay to stick it to the man!
                >nah I don't even paint I read the SUPER COOL LOOOOORE
                Lmao
                have you ever tried not being a gay?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if you 3d printerino you are just as bad
                ??? wtf lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if you spent all the time learning how to 3d print you should be smart enough to learn a new game that isn't made for literal retards

                I know this concept is actually hard to grasp for 40k tards because they only think in terms of gw games

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think he's a 3d printer, I think he just writes 40k fan fiction

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                have you tried playing games that aren't made to push the newest amazeballs releases and aren't ugoigo trash?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Matt Ward still works there
                lmao he doesn't actually you fucktarded nopenis

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nulore is garbage its not even 40k anymore which was explicitly the 41st millenium

                Its capeshit fanwank for marvel soibois
                >waaah why don't you accept my manchild headcanon
                because fuck you idiot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even in the new fluff Guilliman has had to readjust to accepting the Imperium does do things better. Due to experience.
                Guilliman was alive when the Chaos threat was new and the Tyranids weren't around.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the Imperium does do things better.
                He broke every single rule they had to roll out primaris marines

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is whats so ridiculous to me. GW spergs at one retard turning up to a non-English event.
      Then fucking demands its English speaking audience globally repent for simply enjoying the product they sell.

      If i was GW i would have said we dont condone use of the swaztika at events, Full stop.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Then fucking demands its English speaking audience globally repent
        They never did this

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes they did, the published an article in ENGLISH on their war com page.
          You lying freak.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Post it and underline the part where they told you to repent for enjoying 40k

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              its between the lines you gaslighting cunt they imply the imperium is the same as the nazis. therefore people who enjoy it are also nazis.
              Complete anti-fan hatred from a stupid company. In line with anti-gamer rhetoric.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >its between the lines
                So they didn't say it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They did say it by printing the article. Shitting on the imperium and apologising for their product has nothing to do with a spanish troll

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You already admitted they didn't say it, you don't need to keep admitting it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they did say it.
                Why are you so mad at the truth? why the desperation to gaslight? are you on their pr team?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they did say it.
                Where? Other than in your imagination

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i just outlined it.
                >your imagination
                ok so the article never happened huh? they never responded to the spanish nazi by typing up a wall of anti-imperium and fan seethe.
                Its funny how the language in the article is EXACTLY like the language anti-40k trolls use on here. Like nonsensically referring to 40k as satire.
                If you think gaslighting works on someone like me think again you cowardly idiot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You outlined your imagination. I just read between the lines of your post and you said you're a raging marxist trying to ruin 40k. See how that works?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the article we printed never happened
                ahh cool i can just ignore it then and continue enjoying the Imperium as cool, guilt free.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The article happened but it didn't say what you claimed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ok so the Imperium is cool and i'll just keep enjoying it straight like i like my liquour and women.
                Thanks for clearing that up that the article was a mistake GW shill.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ok so the Imperium is cool
                Yes
                > i'll just keep enjoying it
                Sure, you can enjoy playing the bad guys. That's the draw of 40k.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                but i don't think they are the bad guys. I think they are the good guys,
                You just told me the article was not correct.
                Are you now saying i was right?
                You seem to be terrified of something but you can't seem to express yourself clearly.
                What are you afraid of?
                >you can
                i don't need your permission i'll enjoy things the way i like, you tiny little authoritarian.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I said you're inventing things the article never said. Now you're inventing things I never said.
                >terrified
                Unlike you I am of sound mind, but I can understand the world must be horrifying if you see hostile secret messages in every interaction. I hope someone who cares about you can get you help.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you are not sound of mind, you are attempting to badly gaslight.

                Again you are terrified to say what you are thinking for fear of giving away your agenda.
                I think the Imperium are the good guys, cool and i enjoy them.
                Whats the problem little guy?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Whats the problem little guy?
                Nothing really at the end of the day, you're free to be stubbornly wrong about fiction. I worry for your mental state that you're raving at me about secret messages between the lines though.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nothing? oh well if its nothing its ok then, why are you wasting your life angrily arguing over nothing?
                >you are wrong.
                No you are wrong
                >I worry for your mental state that you're raving at me about secret messages between the lines though.
                Same to you but i don't worry, i know you are just a nutter

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >why are you wasting your life angrily arguing over nothing?
                Why are you?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He was not wearing an swastika that I recall, but other imagery. He was denounced, due to the oponent being an extreme leftist crybaby Karen that didn't want to play against him.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At the same time hammer and sickle going with "georgian father of the people" would not raise any stink. Fuck commies.

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >shills get noticably rustled when you criticise war com and the idea of make your own 40k
    curious

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >people discussing mcdonalds
      >these burgers sure are salty
      >random gay declares the burgers are actually super sour
      >people ask him what the hell he's talking about
      >proudly declares he made his own mcdonalds
      >the people wish him luck but say it doesn't really make sense in a discussion about real mcdonalds and nobody is going to know what he's talking about
      >curious how rustled the mcdonalds shills are

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >being so disingenous
        >real 40k
        kek GW shill found

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The sjw bitched out kek he can't proceed without ranting about nazis.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's been five minutes anon, sorry you felt lonely when I got up from my computer.

  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sjw seething at dystopian settings for political reasons.
    Falls apart when the humans in the setting aren't to blame.
    Its funny how every malignant ideology needs to blame humans for everything to make sense.
    40k has a lot of external pressure on the Imperium, So the Imperium is at fault for its condition is a logical lie.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The soviets had external pressures but they were still ultimatley at fault for their own evil and self destruction. They're a lot like the Imperium.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The soviets decide to kill millions due to no external pressure just sheer evil.

        The Imperium kills millions not because it wants to it has no choice.
        Apples and oranges.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it has no choice.
          The Soviets claimed the same thing. They were evil liars, just like the Imperium

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >has no choice.

          Intellectual cowardice. People possess free will and are culpable for their actions.

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If there's one thing I've learned here today, it's that 40k fans are a lot more retarded than I thought. Who the hell looks at that setting and decides to become a cheerleader for one of the factions?

    t. Imperial Guard fan

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >imperial guard fan
      ironic post? no you are retarded. You are looking at fans pushing back as "cheerleading"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, I am looking at people saying that the Imperium are good boys who should be respected as cheerleading. I don't need them to be good whatsoever to have fun with the Guard.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It depends on what you think good means.
          Its commonly accepted anti-heroes are "good"

          Its like saying no one in the medieval era was good or no one in ww2 was good.

          >it has no choice.
          The Soviets claimed the same thing. They were evil liars, just like the Imperium

          No one cares what the soviets say because the soviets are lying fascists.
          They don't have to contend with an inter-dimensional plague that acts like the Thing.
          The Imperiums position isn't any different from the old scientist in the movie The Thing. Who concludes the alien will infect the entire earth if they don't sacrifice themselves.
          You are a disingenuous idiot.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the soviets are lying fascists.
            >the communists are fascists

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Americans think fascist means "mean guy I don't like"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                im not american try again. I think both ends of the horseshoe are fascistic.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think both ends of the horseshoe are fascistic.
                i mean, you can think that, but you're wrong. the word you're looking for is 'totalitarian' and yes, both fascist and communist states are usually totalitarian

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no im right, Fascism derives from Marxism. Its a religious shism. Marxists are basically the purest fascists.

                goosestepping commies

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              communists are just goosestepping fascists

              >has no choice.

              Intellectual cowardice. People possess free will and are culpable for their actions.

              They have zero choice. Thats the lore. If they don't they lose everything. Thats a completely alien concept to you and your sheltered life
              You are an idiot.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They have zero choice. Thats the lore
                No it isn't.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If they don't they lose everything.

                So they could not? So they have a choice? You don't get to abjugate moral responsibility just because life hands you a shitty choice.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If they have zero choice not to be xenocidal how come they chose not to be xenocidal in the gothic wars and didn't lose everything? If they have zero choice how come there are civil wars in the Imperium over what choice to make?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Its like saying no one in the medieval era was good or no one in ww2 was good.
            I don't think the Imperium's like either of those things because I'm not a retard. Also it's important to say that I'm not saying there aren't individual people in the Imperium who could be good, that's obvious, but the Imperium is obviously not good.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No its more correct to say there are evil people in the Imperium even sub factions
              but the Imperium itself is not guilty of any evil. If you think its goal which is basically defend humanity from monsters is evil. You are an idiot.

              >They have zero choice. Thats the lore
              No it isn't.

              Yes its the lore. The off sited exterminatus is to prevent an entire system falling to chaos.

              >If they don't they lose everything.

              So they could not? So they have a choice? You don't get to abjugate moral responsibility just because life hands you a shitty choice.

              its like saying a person will die of we dont remove their leg and choosing to keep the leg.
              If you think mass extinction is the choice to make you lost the argument.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you think mass extinction is the choice to make you lost the argument.
                Do you think Friend Computer is the good guy? He keeps humans alive forever after all

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                mass extinction is not a choice retarded socialist it fails to consider the wants of every human being in the universe.
                They don't want to die. You socialists even fail in your own theory.

                No Inquisitor can make the call for the rest if humanity to die because he wont make the difficult choice,
                .this is just a metaphor for life. and yes its difficult unfair sometimes wrong, sometimes right.
                In this case its not wrong and is just the horror of the setting.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but the Imperium itself is not guilty of any evil.
                At best you could argue that it's neutral, neither good nor evil. If I shoot you, an innocent person, in the head because someone's going to kill my family if I don't, I have not committed a heroic act. That is essentially the description you're giving of the Imperium and it's not a good one. Now mind you, I think your description of it is wrong, but at best we could simply agree on them being neutral. Anything more than that is silly.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your analogy fails because the Imperium is failing at protecting humanity. People always try to smuggle that point through while debating the morality of the Imperiums actions but it's important to remember their actions are also ineffective

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree entirely, I think this guy is misrepresenting the Imperium, but I'm simply saying that by his own logic there is no way we can think of the Imperium as good.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no you are retarded and missing the point The Imperium can be seen as good.
                Because its not intentionally engaging in bad

                Priestly made this point himself.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It absolutely is, it's merely decided it's a necessary evil as you've said. You're shooting that person in the head because the alternative is losing your family, and that's a step too far. Regardless of how necessary the act is, it's not a good act.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its not a necessary evil its a necessary practicality the evil is the external force that makes them do it.

                Your argument is like the people that say Jigsaw in saw isnt evil.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So, to be clear, you think that the deaths of innocents is a good act so long as the situation is dire enough? Undeniably the external force making this happen is evil, but just because one thing is evil doesn't mean another thing isn't evil. That's the whole point of the GW statement, that the whole setting is evil.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I believe an analogy can be drawn here to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the analogy is putting people under lockdown to save the whole
                or forcing them to be vaxxinated.
                Irony is the bedwetters itt support that sort of mandatory for the greater good thinking. Then pretend like they don't the Imperium.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did any country actually do forced COVID vaccination?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the irony to me is how on twit-er you still have these schizos demanding people be lockdowned. They are the same sort of schizos that seethe at the imperium.
                They are completely ok with acting like the imperium when it suits their bent view of the world.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its not a good or evil act. Its a horrible unfair choice forced on them by an uncarring universe.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again, we have a term for this, a necessary evil. You don't like the word but it's the accepted term for the English language.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is it sufficient to not engage in bad to be evil, or do you need to engage in good?

                Is it evil to kill ten billion civilians if you believe it'll save more lives in the long run?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >their actions are also ineffective
                they are more effecive than doing nothing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Whether the actions are effective is only relevant for certain branches of ethics (i.e. consequentionalism).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which branch of ethics says you can relentlessly do evil things while saying its for good and also fail to to do good but its still good because its the thought that counts

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think that's virtue ethics.

                I understand sarcasm, but I love being a pedant too much.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can't credit the Imperium as a whole for defending humanity and then say all the actions of its members don't count because they aren't the whole.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can because its unrealistic ti say everyone in the Imperium would be acting like a mary sue.
                Its part of the setting corruption is rampant.

                Your analogy fails because the Imperium is failing at protecting humanity. People always try to smuggle that point through while debating the morality of the Imperiums actions but it's important to remember their actions are also ineffective

                But thats wrong the Imperium is succeeding for over 10k years.
                >but people die in war
                yes people die when they die

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Alright then you think the Soviet Union wasn't evil either since only its members were evil, and apparently organizations aren't responsible for the actions of its members.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i said the soviets are evil like the nazis because both engaged in political persecution that was unecessary.

                The Imperium has to persecute chaos infected.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >engaged in political persecution that was unecessary.
                So does the Imperium. They persecute people who aren't infected.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they persecute people who engage in corruption. Because it jeopardises the whole.
                The setting stresses the Governors the people at the top are often the ones persecuted because they can turn an entire planet.
                And the suHispanicion of chaos or even xenos is in every case.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've just been reading along at this point but what the actual fuck

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you think thats bizarre Priestly the creator basically said that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you think mass extinction is the choice to make you lost the argument
                Chaos has made a ton of humans immortal so if survival is all that matters you should change teams

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no it hasnt, chaos is social darwinism taken to the extreme.
                Maybe 1 in billions will be made immortal or turned into a spawn. Its completely up to the gods.
                Most humans under chaos are disposable or tortured for eternity.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most humans under the imperium are disposable.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this would be considered heresy in the Imperium and get you shot

                There is no freedom in a chaos regime you are a slave.

                The Imperium is libertarian paradise by comparison.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >chaos is social darwinism taken to the extreme.

                not that anon but is it? my understanding is chaos is a literal manifestation of the fear of degeneration of civilisation and/or civic/personal ethics until nothing is left but someone who is so self-destructive in their particular vices that they become wholly reliant and thus a puppet of the gods and while it may be true that chaos worshipping civilisations exist, they only do to further the degradation of non-chaos groups as essentially the best selling point for chaos.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes chaos is basically survival of the fittest. It has an ultra competitive view of humanity that gives preferential treatment to the strongest.
                Its a competition to see who can be the champion and they only get the reward, Everyone else dies or worse.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                also its not darwinian its social darwinian because you essentially have a king deciding whether you'll be a prince or not
                You could reach the top and just be killed for the hell of it. Chaos in the setting is therefore complete lunacy to support.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't know
                chaos is literally giga nazis x 1billion. Like imagine if hitler was a god.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the general theme in the lore is any chaos worshipping society will ultimately go extinct. Chaos eventually will destroy them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                your understanding of the lore is utterly bizarre. Worshipping chaos is a complete gamble with nearly every result being death.
                It just means maybe you live a little longer than the other fool.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What about what I said about chaos is nonsensical? I acknowledge its a self-destructive path that will end in disaster be it death or worse.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >retards think imperium dies bad things because of politics
    i hate political autists on this site so much, not everything is political you fascist marxist freaks,
    Irony is its always these people squealing calling everyone 4chan. While being obsessed with everything being political

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's nothing political about the Imperium being not a good place, it's a silly fictional setting that has nothing to do with the real world. The people defending it are the ones insisting that calling it bad is some sort of slight against them and everything they love.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        stfu you lying political autist rat. This insinuation about defending it is political autism.
        The Imperium is not politics 40k is not politics.
        Enough you retarded 4chan fuck

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not saying they should feel that way, I think it's silly that they identify with a faction in a fictional setting this strongly. I like the Imperium as a faction in 40k, they're a ton of fun but I recognize if it was a real regime it would be absolutely horrifying and I'd want nothing to do with it. This is the logical stance to hold and it is apolitical.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the imperium can never be real you dipshit. It relies on magic in a magic setting
            Its complete irrationalism to even insinuate that

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Correct, so why are you so upset about people calling it bad? What are they doing wrong?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                stop lying, you are upset at people "defending" it and calling it good.
                Its irrelevant its NOT REAL.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no its moronic and not apolitical. Its just inane pearl clutching
            Like seething at satanism or insert whatever politics.
            People don't have to say they don't support fictional shit or be reprimanded for being a fan of fictional shit.
            Its not real.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You seem to think this is something it isn't. It's not them demanding you renounce your appreciation of the Imperium, it's them saying 'hey, this faction in our ridiculous wargame isn't meant to be the good guys' and it's apparently useful for them to say so given that multiple people in this very thread think they're the good guys. You're the one giving that more psychic meaning than it has, deciding that they're attacking you directly for liking a piece of media. The solution is to calm the fuck down.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No i know what it is, the argument happened earlier and the gay bitched out.
                Its a nazi witch hunt.
                You retards have associated the Imperium with drumpf and nazi
                before brandon came into power i had one of you schizos shitting himself imploring me to stop supporting drumpfy.
                Which is just mental, im not even american

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I like the Imperium, I don't want it to change. As a matter of fact I'm disappointed in GW for trying to clean it up and make it more appealing to normies. I also recognize that they're the baddies just like every other faction in 40k.
                You have anything else you want to say or are you just going to be a whiny little cunt?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its redundant at this point because GW caved to people that hate the setting and took up the anti-fan stance like Amazon with RoP.

                My enjoyment of the fluff is back 20 years ago.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fair enough, I agree! GW dug their own grave by making stories where the Imperium are the heroes and then surrounded themselves with a bunch of retards who then get mad when they say the original point of the setting, which is that everyone sucks and that's what makes it fun.

                Do you have anything to you say you actual whiney cunt? you are too much of an actual pussy to say what you think.
                You keep repeating this lie that they are the baddies but you cannot explain it.

                Its because you have TDS

                They're mass-murderers based on vague suHispanicions and outright fabrications. The number of innocent people killed for no reason in the Imperium no doubt numbers larger proportionally than any regime in human history, because it's meant to be ridiculous and fucked up. Is it equally evil to every other faction? No, Chaos is more evil. The 'Nids are more evil. But they are still evil.

                Calling the imperium baddies is a completely new thing, stop lying.
                It's gamers are dead rhetoric

                Ah yes, seeing the shadows of Gamergate on the wall for the rest of time. You desperately claim I'm being political when the only framework you have to understand me is via your own political viewpoints.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                fuck off i dont agree with you. Enough of your stupidity. Get a life

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The 'Nids are more evil.
                are they? they're just animals

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                While I'm broadly in agreement with you, I think Norn-Queens are beyond animal level intelligence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's an argument to be made there about intent versus instinct, where there isn't an argument is the Imperium.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you have anything to you say you actual whiney cunt? you are too much of an actual pussy to say what you think.
                You keep repeating this lie that they are the baddies but you cannot explain it.

                Its because you have TDS

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Calling the imperium baddies is a completely new thing, stop lying.
                It's gamers are dead rhetoric

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. Because previously they respected the player base enough to assume that when they saw a xenophobic authoritatrian fundamentalist regime, they'd figure it out themselves.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Another lost soul mindbroken by gamergate. Sad to see.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                gay bedwetting marxist take your anti-fan bs and blow it out your ass

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There's nothing political about the Imperium being not a good place, it's a silly fictional setting that has nothing to do with the real world.

        40k owes a lot to 80s british (counter) culture and anti-Thatcherism. The Imperium (and Megacity One) are bad places because they were parodies and satire in response to percieved overly authoritatian and conservative governments of both Thatcher and Reagan.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >muh thatcher muh raygun
          >please keep your muh politics out though

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the statement everything is political is pure fascist thinking.
    Basically proves marxists are fascists they say this all the time.

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just read a great Fulgrim/Snaguinius smut, bros. It was purely apolitical

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The reason why these leftypol shills are continually attacking 40k is just political revenge,
    they got mind raped rent free by drumpf emperah memes which were fucking funny shitposts no one genuinely believed.
    They did because they are literal autists then feel like they need to destroy 40k in revenge, GW are a dense as bricks for pandering to this

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this thread real? This is a very strange thread

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'm enjoying 40k straight without a licence having dangerous thoughts about being a marine wooohooooo

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    leftypol we lost, the 40k chuds beat our ass

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