i dont really see how i "am the product" if i have 136 games on epic games and i havent spent a single cent on it. i have just grabbed every free game. how am i aiding epic games in any way? i would feel like a fool if i didnt use it to grab free games until they eventually stop
Epic things you are the product what they've really done is given you hundreds of dollars with of games and gotten nothing. Even if they did have extensive spyware then they wouldn't have made money.
What they want to happen is you to buy games which you and a lot of other people haven't done.
How much money do you think they're making selling the fact my computer is a piece of shit from 2014? Not even a fraction of a percentage of what they spent for the free games they gave me, I bet.
My man tracking users and selling the data is big business, care to guess where Google got all their money from?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>watching kitboga >find out the fucking DMV sells your information to seedy overseas companies that further sell to scammers so they can trick grandma into losing her retirement
I fucking hate this place
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
oh so that's why I keep getting telemarketer calls from my hometown even though I haven't lived there in like 6 years
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
a lot of those "were calling about your cars extended warranty" guys have your address, phone number, first and last name, possibly last 4 of your social, and also the make and model of every car you own and registration thanks to your own fucking government, and then they give that money to ukraine and israel but cant afford anothee stimulus
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
advertisers. dunno why you would work so hard for pennies when you could just have people hand you money.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
targeting ads means getting ppls data.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
...right, but, google was using the data to push ads to people more likely to click them, not selling the data wholesale. thats the whole point. "give us, google, your money, and we will use this data only we have, to push ads to people more likely to click them". that way you can keep charging people continuously, because you have it, and they dont. yeah sure they probably sold some of it wholesale, but thats a much smaller, one off, slice of the pie.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
more likely they were giving private data to the government to keep them rolling in spookbux just like the other pseudo state apparati. it's not like youtube ever got profitable despite being part of the same machine
It's called telemetry.
Epic Games gathers a shitton of info about you and your devices, which they both use against you and sell to third parties.
If they are doing it right, it will come back to bite you in ways you don't even know, and can fuck with things like your credit score or your health insurance costs down the road.
not him but he is right, you just won't ever make the connection
if you have certain lifestyle patterns that aren't monetized well, EGS tracks that, sends the data to a 3rd party and eventually that lifestyle will get more properly monetized, it's why companies pay the 3rd party data gathering company for their(Your) data
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
EGS, as in Epic Games Store, does not have that level of influence in markets. This would be believable if we were talking about a FAGMAN company
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's called telemetry.
Epic Games gathers a shitton of info about you and your devices, which they both use against you and sell to third parties.
If they are doing it right, it will come back to bite you in ways you don't even know, and can fuck with things like your credit score or your health insurance costs down the road.
must be sad to be american lmao
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
it’s bad but imagine not even being able to produce anything such that you’d consume American products, fucking lmao, shits dark
Big true. The type of processor you currently use tells me everything I need to know to convert you to Christianity and influence your employer to give only you a specific health insurance plan. Big fucked bros.
steam just gives this information out for free lmao. you can literally just go to the steam hardware survey and see all of this right now, for literally nothing
what fucking retarded company is paying egs for shit steam literally hands out for free lmao
Steam makes you consent to it and doesn't scrape anything for reporting metrics otherwise.
EGS is literal chinese spyware that will scrape anything it's not specifically told not to.
You reminded me of this https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sergey-galyonkin-epic-games-store-courting-new-younger-audience >For example, Galyonkin confirmed that of all Fortnite players, only half have Steam installed and of those that have it installed, 60% are not using it actively.
Like, how the fuck would they know that?
Wasn't that the guy who datamined the fuck out of the steam userbase before jumping ship to epic?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes, he created steamspy, and once valve broke it (can't remember how), he got assblasted and got a job at epic
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>(can't remember how)
Steam profiles were public by default and Steamspy just collected the data.
Valve then made Steam profiles private by default and most Steam users decided that they liked it that way so Steamspy lost access to that data.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Using the steam API yeah, but this isn't something he could get from that
You using Epic is the product. The more people they get on their platform, the more gravity it has to pull in new users. It's like social media where there is usually one winner-takes-all and 2nd place is left with peanuts.
It's why WhatsApp is so popular in Europe even though texting is free now, or WeChat in China. Then the US has had a culture growing up with the explosion of iPhones being a status symbol and now iMessage has been taking over with its "blue bubble vs green bubble" bs. Epic would target any of these markets the same way- by losing money in a gamble to pull away enough users that your platform hits critical mass.
>how am i aiding epic games in any way?
You count as one of their active/returning users, the higher that number is, the easier is for epic to talk devs into making their game exclusive
They believe that once you have money to spend, after all you are just a kid playing fortnite, you will do it at the store where you already have a library of (free) games. What they don't understand is that to make the user feel indebted or self-justify using the store, you have to make them spend small amounts of money initially and over time.
i dont really see how i "am the product" if i have 136 games on epic games and i havent spent a single cent on it. i have just grabbed every free game. how am i aiding epic games in any way? i would feel like a fool if i didnt use it to grab free games until they eventually stop
I'm guessing their idea was that if they build you a big enough library for you to be using the epic launcher regularly, you would probably end up buying something while you're there, but the shop is still so slow and shitty to use, that I don't see how people would use if for "convenience", when it's faster to boot up steam and shop there.
Yeah, same, I've bought games on Steam that I knew I got free on EGS, just so I didn't have to use their awful launcher, that's how bad their service is from a consumer POV.
retard, the goal here is market share, if you accept the free shit on the ride up it is in fact free. They aren't looking to make money on you till 5 years from now, at which point you will either choose to value and extend your free gibs library or disengage and continue using steam.
>at which point you will either choose to value and extend your free gibs library or disengage and continue using steam.
Why the fuck would I stop using steam (or gog for that matter) just to "extend" the free gibs library when I can continue my business with the former and keep the free gibs.
I'm not the product, retard. All those parents buying their kids VBucks for Fortnite are funding it. You do remember that Fortnite is still crazy popular with kids?
No, it's still the parents, Epic's just taking another L along the way.
The funny part is all the people trying to complain about China spying on them, they do realize that Google/Apple/Microsoft are doing way worse, and you use their phones/computers all the time? The majority are probably using the softcore porn digital delivery app(Tiktok), which is absolutely doing the same things as Google/Apple/Microsoft. >but I'm on Win 7/8.1
Based on the statistics, you're not, and if you do, they're not updating the security anymore. Which is way worse.
>if you buy a $1.50 hotdog at Costco, you are the product
You’re a fucking retard if you don’t understand the concept of a loss leader. Epic isn’t “making you the product”, they’re burning money in the hopes you become a regular customer
The business idea here is to get people logging into EGS and have games through their launcher so it’s natural to also /buy/ games. It’s a foot in the door persuasion attempt.
Unfortunately a lot of people do what I do and just grab freebies, and then never buy jack shit. It’s like they’re handing out free samples at the baked goods store to get foot traffic but most people are just there for a free meal.
Now it’s not as crazy a strategy as it might seem, because Steam has a crazy strong position so you really need to suck people in to try to convince them to try your alternative.
You might think “why not compete without freebies”, but playing second banana (at best) for years with no real growth strategy other than “I hope people like us more than Steam” is death in the finance world. You need aggressive expansion to build investor confidence. As long as your base grows profitability can be long in the future. Look at Netflix. The party is over when they try to fleece their customers instead of expanding.
You know those chinks get in a room and worship a giant picture of a white israeli guy from Georgia right? You just play genshit and will never touch a woman so I doubt you would know that.
It was earning pennies compared to fortnite
averaging at $100 million, so if tim tried running egs like he does now on ue money alone, he wouldn't even last 6 months
to be fair, unreal has absolutely established dominance as far as gaming engines go. in that sense they are successful. now they just need to start turning the screws
no it fucking hasn't lmao, it's still a midrange engine for midrange games. Unity will still dominate indies, and AAA will still stick to proprietary engines for the most part
>now they just need to start turning the screws
thanks to unity shitshow you missed a turned screw just after unity pulled a unity
tim has started taking fees for non-gamedev usage of unreal engine, tho idk how big is it and whatever, we'll see how it changes the gameplay for him
>I mean, we know for a fact thanks to epic's court cases the only thing keeping their store afloat is fortnite and UE license.
Obviously? EGS is not their primary business and never has been, really. They were subsisting entirely on UE licensing money until Fortnite, and the Fortnite cashflow was so extreme they decided to throw that spaghetti at the wall and see what they could make stick. Make hay while the sun is shining, and all that. If EGS fails and they squander all the Fortnite money they'll just go back to developing UE like they did for a decade before they accidentally fell ass-backwards into a trillion dollar IP.
This is, like it or not, pretty standard practice in the games industry. It's why so many studios like Squeenix are flinging millions at GaaS slop that never sells. Because if even ONE catches on, it pays for all the rest, and they have the cashflow to keep trying. If EGS had managed to become profitable, it would have been enormous for them. If it doesn't, fuck it, what else were they doing with a trillion dollars in V-Bucks earnings? They'd be stupid to not at least TRY to leverage it into a stronger market position once its popularity inevitably fades.
They could've... Made more video games. Like Unreal Tournament 4 Or Unreal Championship 3 Or even a brand new game like a single player focused shooter like Unreal 1 They could've rehired Cliffy B to see what crazy bullshit he wanted to try (he made the shit he did because those were the only thing private investors would give him funds for).
>Profitable by 2021? What did you expect when they said they wouldn't be profitable by 2022! The projection for 2023 is fair, so you should just give it time for their projection for 2024 to come around. I trust that Tim Sweeny wasn't wrong when he said it'd be profitable by 2025, and it's silly to think that their projection to be profitable by 2026 wasn't a realistic goal. Besides, they did say it wouldn't make any money until 2027, which it is clearly not.
You joke, but…
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/epic-expects-epic-games-store-to-be-profitable-by-2024
>it took wow 20 years before they had to resort to nostalgia >frotnut reached the same point in 5.
dire. What are they going to do when they run out of nostalgia bait?
They don't even have collabs in the battlepass anymore, or even new collabs in the shop.
I don't know how they expect money to come in with the state it's degraded to
>epic can no longer justify its free million dollars exclusive policy >indie games are selling literally 2 copies
unless Epic starts making fortnite hayday money again, its joever
4 more years bros, were turning this ship around >continues funneling every dollar of profit into risky courtcases that will yield at most a 15% increase to profits made on the google play store, still banned from apple store lmao >kills rocket league >kills fall guys >fortnite paypiggy money in the shitter >exclusivity deals crumbling
OH YEAH! ITS EPICS TIME IN THE SUN!
>Profitable by 2021? What did you expect when they said they wouldn't be profitable by 2022! The projection for 2023 is fair, so you should just give it time for their projection for 2024 to come around. I trust that Tim Sweeny wasn't wrong when he said it'd be profitable by 2025, and it's silly to think that their projection to be profitable by 2026 wasn't a realistic goal. Besides, they did say it wouldn't make any money until 2027, which it is clearly not.
>Pay untold millions for exclusives >Platform ends up being unprofitable
Where the fuck do they find the braindead morons who make these decisions?
I'm a fucking retard and I'd end up making better ones.
>THEY'RE GONNA BE PROFITABLE IN 2027 BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY'D BE PROFITABLE IN 2027
lmao
Good bait though.
Pretty much every company that's ever been successful ever is guilty of such hubris.
Remember the PS3? The Wii U? The Xbox One? And that's just hardware examples, I could go on.
>not profitable
They're a private company.
They don't want to be profitable for tax reasons.
Tim can just put all the extra money in his pants and say 'oops, no profit this year fellas' and nothing can stop him.
They will magically be super profitable the day Tim decides to sell the company or take it public.
>Tim can just put all the extra money in his pants and say 'oops, no profit this year fellas' and nothing can stop him.
That's not how it works, anon.
t. an accountant
>Epic Games Store launched 1,797 days ago on December 6, 2018 >Epic has since invested (estimate) over a billion dollars on exclusives and half a billion dollars on free games and other expenses >We can just round it to 1,500,000,000 USD >1,797 days have a total of 155,260,800 seconds >Epic willingly spent 9.6 dollars a second on the hope that it becomes profitable by 2027
This doesn't account for purchases like Bandcamp, Rocket League and Fall Guys that were either moves for the Apple/Google trial or just getting a game off Steam to get their audience (and fucked it all up after).
im still pissed about rocket league and fall guys, i loved those games and now i cant play them anymore because they come loaded with spyware. total horseshit. at least i didnt spend any money on them.
fall guys is also EOS as they basically fired everyone because Tim oopsied their salaries into the apple lawsuit. Stumble Guys has more content with more variety and more frequent updates despite being a "cheap rip off" of fall guys
The Apple lawsuit was about setting legal precedent to say platform holders couldn’t charge the 30%. He just started with Apple because they get the least amount of fortnite bucks from ios
>mfw redeemed hundreds of games on EGS using my browser >never bought anything and never will >never installed EGS launcher and never will >the couple of free games I've tried out I played on Linux using Heroic launcher
Tim can get fucked.
>MFW new free game on Epic >Never claim, never install EGS >Just a new target for the next time I'm on fitgirl, dodi or cs.rin.ru
Thanks Tim! Gives me the same outcome without the spyware!
Has there been any big spyware/virus cases with any of the big trustable scenes recently? IGG injecting splash-screens (who knows what the fuck else) is the most recent I know about.
Empress is absolutely fucking crazy, but even he isn't being malicious (yet).
Wouldn't those just be the directx and vcredist files? They're checked by default and IIRC if you uncheck them the fitgirl installer downloads nothing extra.
Since Timmy already sued apple and steam will he sue microsoft or sony next and blame them for ESG continuing to fail because we know Tim's plan is literally perfect and only failing because mega corps are working against him.
Nobody on earth has come up with a reason why you'd buy a game on EGS if it wasn't exclusive or cheaper, and they were never cheaper. How do you run this platform if you've never bought a game?
timmy tenncent is so retarded he thought he could just force people to not use steam by bribing devs, oblivious to the fact that uplay and the EA store both tried and failed at that
yeah, by posting a compilation pic of info that can be google without the need to scoop through reddit
and eisberg shill appearing everywhere whenever epic gets related, so doesn't really count as stalking
go the fuck back bitch
>lurking steam >small salt and sacrifice discount >wait what, when was this released? >check forums (steam of course, epic doesnt have those) >been out for over a year on epic store, only hitting steam now >On Epic Store yes, due to an exclusivity deal. As they say though, such deals seem to have a "black hole effect" on the games' adoptions.
Just another hades or darkest dungeon 2 I guess
>log in on the website >grab free games >close the website
thanks tim!
Never installed their spyware or any games but I have every free game they ever gave away.
Honestly, with all the money they poured into it, they had a good shot of getting a solid chunk of the market. Too bad timmy invested that money like a retard and only succeeded in antagonizing people into not using his store out of principle
>on gg deals >looking for game discounts >game I want is "free" on EGS >retail price on steam >guess ill just pirate and wait for a reasonabke price on steam
Every time I've been forced to use Epic Games something went wrong with downloads/installs etc. They should have focused on making the system better than steam first.
The store doesn't have to work, it only has to exist for them to have standing for their lawsuits.
This is why Apple and now Google hammered Epic over how bad their store is, because its such an obvious slap-dash attempt to toss something together so they can file lawsuits against actual sustainable businesses.
>had an account before the store existed to mess with UE and wait for that UT game tthat never happened >never buy games, just get free >never install launcher, just Geforce now
heres how epic could have won >the 12-18 percent cut whatever (customers dont give a shit) >all 60 dollar games are permanently 50 dollars >all 20 dollar games are permanently 10 dollars >free indie games here and there WITH fortnite crossover events like steam used to do when they had to build a community >SUPER SEXY EPIC SALE where we get those PEAK steam sales >FINAL FANTASY 7 FOR 14.99 DOLLARS >HITMAN FOR 9.99 >Tim shuts his fucking mouth and stops trying to outisraelite apple and google >Community Manager making fun videos and pimping cool crossover video game events >free cosmetics and shit everywhere >literally be spending less money than theu currently are and making more money as a result
but yeah keep crying about app store fees and buying/killing studios faster than EA
They can’t set prices arbitrarily like that because it tanks the value of the product itself. There’s a reason a bunch of games got yanked off EGS when they did that “surprise” $5 or $10 or whatever it was off every game even new ones.
>tanks the value of the product
and epic would eat that cost. at the moment most people arent even aware kingdom hearts is on PC because epic is such a black hole
>all 60 dollar games are permanently 50 dollars >all 20 dollar games are permanently 10 dollars >SUPER SEXY EPIC SALE where we get those PEAK steam sales >FINAL FANTASY 7 FOR 14.99 DOLLARS >HITMAN FOR 9.99
They can't do any of that. Publishers are the ones setting the prices, not Timmy. The last time he forced a store wide sale, certain publishers chose to pull their games rather than accept their games being discounted.
>they cant
they can WITH COORDINATION with publishers. You cant do the Timmy epic special of LMAO HERES A GAME FOR 10 DOLLARS OOPS I FORGOT TO TELL THE PUBLISHERS AND DEVS I WAS DOING THIS. Epic has lacked decent planning through this whole process and they just toss whatever hand grenade shows up in their pockets
>they can WITH COORDINATION with publishers
Problem is, the publishers wouldn't agree. These are the same people constantly trying to normalize higher and higher prices for new games, they would never agree to sell their games at a lower price point, even if Epic compensated them in full.
Depending on the contract, they can.
Some stores like GOG 'purchase' a quantity of game licenses from a publisher for a lower price (since they purchase in bulk), which then allows them to put regular sales on for sometimes more than Steam or other services.
>all 60 dollar games are permanently 50 dollars >all 20 dollar games are permanently 10 dollars >SUPER SEXY EPIC SALE where we get those PEAK steam sales >FINAL FANTASY 7 FOR 14.99 DOLLARS >HITMAN FOR 9.99
They can't do any of that. Publishers are the ones setting the prices, not Timmy. The last time he forced a store wide sale, certain publishers chose to pull their games rather than accept their games being discounted.
You forgot >launch with a slick, lean feature-complete client that has the features people like (MVP: friends list with drop in multiplayer available by simply right clicking a nigga) but without the ridiculous heft of Steam
That's unfortunately far in the past and difficult to rectify without a time machine, but the client being unfathomably bad in nearly every imaginable way was a major reason why EGS got shat on so much. The monkey business with Deep Silver and Metro Exodus resulted in a lot of anger, but the client being an unusable shitheap with Timmy Tencent actively trying to excuse its sorry state was just violently rubbing it in while laughing at the potential consumers for being stupid retard nagger cattle.
Many companies are still not profitable. I'm pretty sure that Netflix even at peak popularity wasn't profitable. Lots of businesses invest most of their profits back into themselves to keep growing. Epic has successfully made tons of people sign up for their storefront and can now use those numbers to attract investors.
However, Epic is working under a false assumption. They falsely assume that a lot of their users will turn into paying customers when in reality, the vast majority of all people who use EGS simply claim the free games. I don't remember the exact data but a minuscule amount of their users end up paying, a number that decreases even more if you don't count Fortnite purchases.
Epic's end goal is gain a majority market share through their free games and cashback features but nobody uses EGS exclusively. Steam users and little kids use EGS as a tool for gibs and that's it. Steam is still growing at faster rates than EGS because they don't offer anything worth paying for. They funded Alan Wake 2 which is a nice but that's a niche game and won't break even.
>I don't remember the exact data but a minuscule amount of their users end up paying,
The evaluation of the topic that sticks with me is Valve makes more money from Linux users every year, than Epic has made from their store ever.
That was also before the Steam Deck and Steam for Linux getting up over 4% of the English-speaking market.
Those companies that "weren't profitable" like Netflix or Uber subsisted on the investment bonanza that was going on the previous years, and even disregarding that the biggest takeaway would be that, just like those companies, once they're done growing and have successfully killed their competition they're gonna put the squeeze on consumers harder than ever. Given Epic's reluctance to put meaningful consumer-facing features on their client and how they have dragged their feet on what few they've added, plus a little gem from the Wolfire vs. Valve lawsuit filing where Wolfire kept referring to the Steam Store and Steam Client as separate entities and arguing that the developers should only pay for the store costs (that is, bandwidth and storage), I'd be willing to bet Epic's long term plan once they've got people tied down is to sell a monthly subscription to access client features that were free on Steam such as remote play or controller mappings.
I appreciate your care but I am Square Enix's slut and bought these games on PS2, then again on PS3, and will gladly pay full price for all of them again on PC because I have brainworms.
These neo-console wars disguised as Engine & store wars are so asinine. Why do you give a shit about Epic and their awful store if you never use it anyway? Steam will remain king until Epic gets their shit in order and actually build a proper store, end of.
Tim being the colossal dishonest homosexual he is makes me care >MUHNOPPLIES MUHNOPPLIES >court docs reveal they would love to be a monopoly >MUH APPLE MUH FAIRNESS >court docs reveal they would take a deal exclusive to just them and shut up >MUH EXCLUSIVITY MUH GAMER FREEDOM >refuses to support linux, moneyhats devs for exclusivity
Its probably not a good idea to put all your chips on Gabe, but Valve has done incredible work for VR and Linux support where Epic has taken every dollar its made and turned it into....suing apple because "I want more money"
My point is instead of shitting up Ganker further with moaning about this prime-a turbosperg, just fucking ignore him, it's literally the biggest middle finger you can give to people like that anyway
Eh, Tim pays people to "disrupt" and post here, and hes a big ego guy. I think calling him a fag and laughing at his trillion dollar company failing to hit their mark does more damage to him.
>It's Microsoft fault Valve chose to use Chormium shit in their store to bloat it when it worked better before that
Why should I blame Microsoft for Valve's decision?
>its chromium!
what internet browser do you use? they will not be supporting win7 after 2024. win7 is completely fucking dead come 2024 and its because microsoft will not be supporting it. Its XP all over again.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Firefox, sorry Ranjeet but I'll stick to W7.
Before they started using the cross-platform embedded open-source engine they use now, they used Microsoft's closed source engine that isn't really supported anymore by Microsoft, especially not on old platforms they've EOLd.
Trying to blame Valve is a no win scenario. Maintaining a browser engine is a ton of work, which is why there is really only KHTML and Gecko left.
>No it's not pajeets fault at Valve for using poo coding in their store!
They made that decision, nobody else.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
its always the pseuds who think they know everything. just move to linux
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>support
I can still use it on w7, I won't even be able to USE Steam because pajeets want me to stop using it.
Sorry sirs, I'll stick to w7.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>outdated OS >outdated browser
i hope you have enterprise grade firewall, if not you might as well use your ccn and ssn number as your user id, fucking retard i swear to God
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>No it's not pajeets fault at Valve for using poo coding in their store!
chromium is an industry standard browser that is often used for cross-platform UI layout. want to know why? because every other cross-platform UI toolkit is fucking ass. QT, GTK, wxWidgets, they all look like garbage. chromium just werks and almost all ui design R&D these days is HTML+CSS+JS because it's now the defacto standard. you're just a nodev who thinks reinventing to wheel is a virtue
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fuck UI. Give me a terminal input version of steam. Especially since they deleted the —no-browser option
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You mean steamcmd?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
No I mean a full featured steam that you operate with text commands
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>full featured steam >no browser
You might need to be specific about what you consider 'full featured', because on Linux at least you can use the command line to do all the essential stuff for games you own, but a lot of the other Steam functionality only exists within the website.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
All the steam features that don’t actually use a UI. Cloud saves, remote play, a list command so you don’t have to look up app ids separately. Store browsing/buying might be a pain but it makes sense to use a UI for that. Plus steamcmd can only run applications that don’t have steam drm which means you don’t need steam to run it in the first place. There’s no reason to constantly run a bloated ass embedded browser doing nothing when half this shit could be handled by a 10kb daemon running in the background. Especially when steamwebhelper is constantly fighting with GNOME and making all my games run like shit. -no-browser used to solve this but they removed that too.
inb4 >GNOME
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I use Gnome, can't say I've ever had any performance or resources issues.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
steamcmd is still around, tard
retards
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
issue with steamcmd is that you can't play games if they use the steamapi drm thing, you need the full client to do so
i know it's possible to crack it quite trivially, but it's still not ideal
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe its been a while since I've used it, or maybe its just the fact that games on Linux I would have used it with don't use the DRM.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
steamcmd is still around, tard
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They made that decision
Embedded Gecko never really caught on. KHTML (aka Webkit / Blink) is really the only option without doing a ton of work.
Also there is this:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-users-windows-7-8-and-81-moving-extended-support >Firefox version 115 will be the last supported Firefox version for users of Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1. >Mozilla will provide security updates for these users until September 2024. No security updates will be provided after that date.
So you're already running an old version of a browser, and security updates end in less than a year.
Nobody can support an OS that is abandoned by its vendor.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
And I can still use it, what's your point?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
No company is going to keep supporting a platform abandoned by its vendor, and there is no community that can support Windows 7 either.
Sooner or later you're going to have to accept that the community of users interested in maintaining a good OS are all using Linux.
Everyone who isn't, either bought into Apple's platform, or bent over for Microsoft.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Like I fucking said, I don't care if its "supported" or not. I won't straight be able to use Steam at all with w7. I can still and will be using firefox this moment.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It is true, you can probably keep that up for another year or two past the EOL, but sooner or later you're going to find you are having to do the same kind of things people like me were doing to get stuff working on Linux 10 years ago, but without the community of users and the access to the system that we benefited from back then.
Linux users can actually build a better platform and make it work. Windows 7 is never going to come back, and Microsoft is never going to change for the better.
Before they started using the cross-platform embedded open-source engine they use now, they used Microsoft's closed source engine that isn't really supported anymore by Microsoft, especially not on old platforms they've EOLd.
Trying to blame Valve is a no win scenario. Maintaining a browser engine is a ton of work, which is why there is really only KHTML and Gecko left.
Whether or not there is workshop support is entirely up to the individual game. For example Cities Skylines 2 decided not to allow it, because paradox is a bunch of naggers
>the fucking irony of posting an image about people complaining about a guy who seems to always be there whenever Epic or the EGS is mentioned on the interwebs by posting in every fucking thread where Epic or the EGS is mentioned
That you're doing this shit for years by now is almost impressive, Eisberg.
I honestly miss Mixer, that thing ran like a fucking sewing machine and the low latency mode was especially impressive (at least at the time). It's a shame it had to out-Twitch Twitch in order to live, which obviously was never going to happen.
There is only one reason why I have never bought anything from EGS: >2023 >Still not a sngle Unreal game in the Unreal store
People who have no respect for their own legacy deserve no respect from me.
Eat shit and die.
That's not just deHispanicable, but also extremely soulless.
It's worse than Nintendo pissing on Wario and Metroid. Worse, even, than Konami going pachinko balls deep raping Castlevania.
oh you missed it.They farted it out, and the community was so passionate they started working on new levels and even balance patches because epic wasnt gonna do anything with it, so they sort of handed it over to the community with effectively 0 tools and then killed it
oh you missed it.They farted it out, and the community was so passionate they started working on new levels and even balance patches because epic wasnt gonna do anything with it, so they sort of handed it over to the community with effectively 0 tools and then killed it
me again, attached does an alright job talking about it
>duskdev shits on epic store, confronts Tim directly about why Unreal isn't available anywhere and why doesn't Tim put it on EGS at least, which blew Tim the fuck out >new blood ceo shits on epic store, made a fortune thanks to steam, launched multiple successful games back to back, got refused on EGS because he isn't hip enough for them
eh, maybe new blood isn't as shitty as some posters make it seem
ultrakill is still tranny garbage though
They made their own seperate chinese client and have sales targeting chinese users occasionally.
Which apparently is just as bad as Epic literally being half-owned by Tencent - a company which is known for stealing and dealing with your private data.
>They made their own seperate chinese client
To comply with local laws >and have sales targeting chinese users occasionally
There have been sales for other nationalities.
Try again.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon that was clearly someone else who was agreeing with you, it's like you somehow missed the half of the reply that made it painfully obvious
what is happening to all the millionaires and billionaires who make such retarded decisions, do they have a mental problem or does money cloud their minds?
Natural consequence of capitalism. You can’t afford to put the people that know what they’re doing in charge because they’re more productive doing actual useful work. You inevitably end up with utter retards in charge.That’s why all the best game companies started as indies and slowly degraded after getting bought out by publicly traded behemoths
>he's the schizo >not the guy creating 5 anti-epic threads per day
???
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ban evading 15+ times just to post a shitty image is pretty schizo
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh nooo, why don't anyone think about the poor jannies!?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
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Why are you creating daily threads like this and knows everything that happens in them?
ESL detected.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes, you
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
what's really convenient is how he came up with all of his reddit knowledge just in time for epic vs google trial
getting triggered by that steamie screencap and showing signs of him being an ESL
really makes one think isn't it
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Should you be making some posts on /fuckepic?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You really seem to know a lot about the reddit, why don't you go back instead of constantly spilling spaghetti?
As always, thank you for the pic. My 30 second paint mashups look decent compared to... that thing. I imagine the low resolution is to save hd space, right? You should convert the pic to jpg too if that's a problem over there.
BLOOD BASTERD PROSTITUTE DELETED THIS THRED RIGHT NOW
EPIC GEME GOOD
EPIC GEME STORE GOOD
UNREL ENGENE GOOD
FARTSHITE BEST GEME
FAIL GAYS BEST GEME
RAKSHIT LEGUE BEST GEME
TIM-SAMA SUPERPOOWER STEME BAD DESTROYER DO THE NEEDFUL
this. even if you call 95% of the shit that comes out on steam shit/slop/asset flip, its sheer numbers. about 42 games came out on steam, today. on the epic games store?
well. i dont know. it doesnt let you search games that way. you have to click on a game in the "new releases" section to actually see the date it was added, and some of these are a few months old.
Yeah, Timmy did. The idea was to force enough people to go to his platform for something you couldn't get elsewhere, that it would naturally become self-perpetuating.
He's such a fucking dumbass though, that he thought he was smarter than what, 500 or more years of mercantile wisdom about the customer needing to come first, even if only superficially? He decided hey, fuck the people who I'm trying to get to spend money. They don't matter - only the people publishing these games need to be catered to!
There was never any avoiding EGS falling on its face. The only question was how long fortnite and UE can keep it afloat.
Sorry you couldn't understand my post. An education past the 4th grade should help you with the harder words and concepts being used.
Might be hard, but I'm rooting for you, little bro.
that fuckhead Allison even suggested Timmy how Steam is ripe for disruption
deluded beyond belief
not surprising considering Allison was working for old Telltale shortly before its bankruptcy
I love Tim but his launcher is SLOW. I don't particularly care about Steam's social features but you need some basic features like profiles and chat when you have several online games (fortnite, fall guys etc.). also you don't necessarily need to copy Steam. you need innovation. Tim is absolutely based for actually investing in gaming creation but he needs to make his launcher more fun.
i don't know about you guys but i'm just not going to install 2 game stores on my pc. im just not. steam works and has plenty of games. so yea. if you sell your game on epic im just not going to ever play it. like ever. i don't give a shit. it might even be the best game ever made. i don't care.
this is the same mentality as PS/Xbox players and its not very hard to have the same mind-set on PC, your game library is where you want to be at all times and that's never going to change.
I decided not to install Epic after seeing the kind of devs who were hype about it.
They were praising it for not allowing customers to "troll" by giving bad opinions and disallowing community forums for games and shit like that.
Strongarming yourself into a video game market doesn't really work. Xbox 360 tried with the japanese market, and a bunch of exclusives did them no good either.
Exclusives only work if there's no community. No one identifies as a Netflix or Disney+ user....it's just some service people pay to stream crap from. Steam is a lot more than a store now, and people don't want to deal with another community
>Game is given for free on the EGS store >Said game's Steam forums are immediately flooded by people asking for help, be in-game or technical troubleshooting.
>Game is given for free on the EGS store >Said game's Steam forums are immediately flooded by people seething about the game because the devs dare to put it on another store
fix'd that for you
>I've only pirated Epic exclusives
And the only game I actually bought when it came to Steam was FF7 remake, I would buy the Kingdom Hearts games too but they don't seem to be coming to Steam ever
Remember when Tim said PC gaming is dead and consoles are the future during the PS3/XB360 era?
Then he said the reason for the EGS was to make PC gaming great again by saving it from Valve's monopoly or something.
And they do that by making it shittier for the end users with no user reviews or anything because "the game companies will decide, game users will just have to put up with it."
It's like he's trying to sabotage Tencent's efforts on purpose. Like how Branden has done far more damage to America in just 3 years than what agents of China, Russia, and various other enemies could've only dreamed of during in their entire lifetimes.
>has near limitless cash from kids buying skins >could have but a tiny amount of that to improve his launcher at breakneck speed >instead spends it all on exclusive, free games, an old mall and losing lawsuits
He really needs someone to filter out his retarded ideas
In other words, he thought he could win by outspending Steam.
He thought he could come along after Steam, Ubi, Origin, BattleNet, GOG, and just spend his way to a W
If it became profitable the free games will stop
You want the opposite since the longer they remain irrelevant the more free games they will offer to get more users who will hopefully buy something
If it became profitable the free games will stop
You want the opposite since the longer they remain irrelevant the more free games they will offer to get more users who will hopefully buy something
Yeah, but the problem is that if they hemorrhage money for too long, they'll inevitably have to close down and we lose access to our free shit.
One of the thousand pieces of bullshit you get with Prime is a bunch of random lootboxes and the world's shittiest version of Humble Monthly - https://gaming.amazon.com/home . Literally no one knows about it or uses it.
It's free games, dlc's, and in-game items you get with a Prime membership.
I got Dishonored 2, Prey, Mordor, Jedi Fallen Order, Witcher 3, and some others from it
One of the thousand pieces of bullshit you get with Prime is a bunch of random lootboxes and the world's shittiest version of Humble Monthly - https://gaming.amazon.com/home . Literally no one knows about it or uses it.
Not completely true. Most of it's garbage. But you have to keep checking because they give away good triple AAA's on occasion
I don't care about in game items
I've gotten a few things out of it and it's not like I wouldn't have Prime anyways but goddamn. The launcher is also a weird vestigial thing that doesn't really make sense. You'd think it'd be integrated into the Amazon storefront or something so you could buy games off it, but nope.
Amazon piss me off because they put games on there I've bought already. Rage 2 was good i liked it
I got AC Origins deluxe from them at least. that was the best score I got from them so far, and was actually good
they give away a bunch of Neo Geo games, but I've never bothered downloading their DRM client to play them
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah I don't get it either. If they wanted to use it as an actual draw (for the three people on the planet who don't use Prime for shipping, but could still be convinced to buy it), they should get more recent and higher prestige games. If they just want it to be a dumping ground for shit like all the SNK games so they can say "there's free video games", why get the 5-10 year old titles as well? And then there's also the wordle microgame stuff and that's even weirder.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't know why they have a separate website for Amazon Gaming either.
You'd think they'd have everything integrated with Amazon proper and have their own Steam set up to sell games digitally.
Maybe it's just not on the table for them right now? dunno
I really don't want to install their desktop DRM to play anything. I don't even like having to install Epic just to play Rage 2. I'm really just trying to never use EGS forever
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Same on all counts. At this point the only reason I'd ever use EGS is because I want to use some mods for KH3 and I don't know if they work on pirated copies. I know the KH2 rando mod doesn't work with the pirated PC version.
And as far as Amazon not wanting to compete with Steam directly, I can understand them not wanting to piss Valve off given how many of the games Amazon publishes are on steam like New World and Lost Ark. They already shat the bed with Crucible, no use in making enemies.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I got Dead Island 2 and Calisto Protocol free with the AMD bundle with my vidya card.
Dead Island 2 was a key on EGS. So I just never played it :/
I think you're right maybe they either want to keep a working relationship with DRM platforms. maybe they're just too preoccupied with their streaming content, or with trying to put UPS out of business or something
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you've got way too much free time, https://www.yalelawjournal.org/note/amazons-antitrust-paradox is a really good writeup on all the shit Amazon does to weasel its way into every corner of basically all commerce.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
thanks for the link, browsing it right now. I love this stuff actually, even if the legal speak is above my paygrade
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
its just there to tick a box. tons of companies do this, so when they present their stuff to something large they can put "and games!". thats it. microsoft did (still does) this forever. remember zune, remember windows phones, windows mobile, yadda yadda. its a small loss that might be the straw that pushes forward a massive deal that will make it all back. it sounds retarded when you consider its like hundreds of millions of dollars a year, but is it really when it might of got you a government contract thatll make multiple billions back?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>windows phones
it's unrelated but I always thought Microsoft had what it took to conquer the mobile OS market. they had the platform everyone already loved. but instead Google and Apple drink their milkshake. oh well. some minor UI tweaks to literally just copy Androids icons on a wallpaper background and they could have done it imo. microsoft, such dummies
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
really? it never seemed like it to me, even though i personally wanted a windows os phone back then. even had one of the main team leaders of windows mobile stay at our house like 15 years ago and i was joking i could save phones right then and there if i just killed him in his sleep.
it probably would of been pretty shit if windows won, but alteast we wouldnt be fucking around with whole entire different os's while trying to get shit on our phones working with computers.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They got their hands burned by the antitrust lawsuits for bundling hardware and software, and eyes were on them in particular. They weren't able to create exactly the sort of walled garden apple ended up cultivating because they'd already done it before on PC.
The UI was the least of their issues, the tile shit that got such a bad reputation on Windows 8 actually translated extremely well to the phone screen. The main issue is that Microsoft was a couple of years late into the market and they were the eternally uncool Microsoft going against Apple (you know the drill) and Google (who were still high on the "don't be evil" reputation of the 00's), so they never managed to gain the critical mass needed to take a proper chunk out of the market. It didn't help that they only ever really had Elop-era Nokia making proper devices for them, everyone else just kinda half-assed some extremely limited runs into the market that nobody bought.
The things is that now that I see Windows 11, and where things have gone, I'm glad it never happened. If they'd won the mobile war it would just have meant that things would have gotten worse and worse on the mobile market.
I wanted to have windows on my phone, but I was thinking of Windows 7 back then when I say this, not this monstrosity OS they've been pushing since Windows 8. I never liked tiles, desktop or otherwise (which is why I use the Classic Shell mod for my Windows 10). But I'll take Android on it's worst day over that dumpster crap
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They got their hands burned by the antitrust lawsuits for bundling hardware and software, and eyes were on them in particular. They weren't able to create exactly the sort of walled garden apple ended up cultivating because they'd already done it before on PC.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The UI was the least of their issues, the tile shit that got such a bad reputation on Windows 8 actually translated extremely well to the phone screen. The main issue is that Microsoft was a couple of years late into the market and they were the eternally uncool Microsoft going against Apple (you know the drill) and Google (who were still high on the "don't be evil" reputation of the 00's), so they never managed to gain the critical mass needed to take a proper chunk out of the market. It didn't help that they only ever really had Elop-era Nokia making proper devices for them, everyone else just kinda half-assed some extremely limited runs into the market that nobody bought.
Well as long as fortnite makes money the store can sustain
Honestly I don't know what they can do to be profitable at this point, they make around $30-40 million from 3rd party games a year and their crazy spending plus costs to run the service puts them in the red for like over 10 years at this point.
Even if they stopped spending it won't reach profitable for well over two decades unless user spending increases substantially
>Well as long as fortnite makes money the store can sustain
You see, that's the problem Epic is facing rioght now. Fortnite isn't making them nowhere as much money as they thought it would.
Well they started giving a cut to fortnite creator games on top of spending in the game going down
Plus pretty much every other endeavor they do isn't making much or are money pits
The 30/70 revenue share. On Steam, developers basically pay 30% of their revenue to stay on the platform, doesn't matter if they're AAA trash like Ubishart or irrelevant Indie studios. On EGS Indies get a much better deal, in exchange for having no audience whatsoever since 99.99% of EGS's users are retarded Fortnite addicts who play nothing but it.
>release new hot skin in parpnite >delete it from the shop 16 hours after its released >artists make porn of the skin after its gone form the shop >no one can buy it anymore
the new tomb raider games
old and new fallout games
the bioshock games
dishonored games
evil within games
wolfestein games
just cause games
hitman games
metro games
batman games
borderlands games
darksiders games
prey, alien isolation, gta v
they have gifted all those games, which are considered AAA
Apparently I already had it.
I don't remember buying it and I don't see the transaction in EGS. I don't see it as a code redemption either. Maybe it just didn't show in recent.
I bought it for ps4 a while back though too.
But yeh, been claiming games since basically the launch of it all.
One day... I'll get around to them lol
Isn't there supposed to be a group of shareholders or people who's job it is to keep CEO's from going too far off in the deep end, else they end up being forced to step down? Why hasn't that happened to Tim yet? He's going to completely bankrupt the studio with his deranged personal vendetta against Gabe.
Isn't there supposed to be a group of shareholders or people who's job it is to keep CEO's from going too far off in the deep end, else they end up being forced to step down? Why hasn't that happened to Tim yet? He's going to completely bankrupt the studio with his deranged personal vendetta against Gabe.
if you believe the shitposts, tencent owns the most and timmy might actually be just an unwillingly pawn. it coulda sorta make sense, why hes seemingly acting so stupid. its not actually him, its tencent, and tencents worth like 376 billion so throwing him and his company under the bus is really just pennies to them.
tencent takes 55% of the cut on their own store. they dont actually care that steam takes 30%, they just might want to erode valves market share so they can slip right in.
I hope you guys keep using EGS claiming all those free games cause every game claimed increases the counter which potentially means Epic has to pay more to the devs - as usually the pay depends on how many games end up being claimed.
I would make a million EGS accounts if there was an easy way to do it just to farm accounts and slowly drain Timmys bank account dry.
they did both. dunno why this matters so much, but theres been some interviews of devs talking about getting one time payments based on estimated sales and some devs getting pissed because they got 200k when the sales made epic like a million or yadda yadda. again, i dont know why this makes a difference.
Not that it matters now that someone brought a link but burden of proof lies on whoever makes the first claim, which was the guy claiming Tim paid per copy
>epic laid off more than 830 employees because they are bleeding money >every single unreal engine game for the past 5 years has been a complete technical blunder with shit performance, stuttering, screen-space garbage, temporal smeared shit >spending millions fighting google and apple over the 30% cut they take (which is industry standard when you build a userbase and platform) >wasted $273 million (according to pitchfork) buying bandcamp and sold it for $130 million (according to billboard) >spent $95 million buying Cary Towne Center mall to build their new headquarters but haven't done anything with it. >>now they are paying fines for not maintaining the land >hit with a $520 million dollar fine from the FTC AND they have to refund ALL customers that have made a purchase on fortnight after SCAMMING its users by making unintended purchases >fortnites revenue has continued to decline and epic are spending more than ever fighting for zoomer relevancy with tie-ins >tencent are angry at epic's performance and see this as tim sweeney's fault and have threatened to pull their funding if cuts aren't made >EGS has been a complete failure
hate epic's monopolistic practises (shit client and forced exclusives)
are claiming free games which cost epic money
aren't spending ANY money on EGS >>the few exclusives people buy epic only makes 12% (or 5% if UE) >>EGS gained 48% users in 2020 (108m to 160m) >>EGS only gained 2.94% ($680m $700m) more revenue during a pandemic
its over for epic
$273 million (according to pitchfork) buying bandcamp and sold it for $130 million (according to billboard) >>hit with a $520 million dollar fine from the FTC AND they have to refund ALL customers that have made a purchase on fortnight after SCAMMING its users by making unintended purchases
$95 million buying Cary Towne Center mall to build their new headquarters but haven't done anything with it.
It's hilarious to me how much money someone can just piss away like this.
Making a new store with a shittier ui and paying for exclusives just makes me not want to buy the game, I'd rather just pirate if it's not going to sit with all the other stuff I paid fot
They probably could as well if they had better marketing.
The only thing they had to do is capture new blood over old blood. Nobody in their right mind is going to switch from steam over to epic just because. But for kids who don't have a steam account, its more likely to make a epic account to play games on there. Eventually those kids would grow up, and be the same kind of audience as steam drones. But that would take time, and in todays business world you have to grow 195% every quarter or you are deemed unprofitable and get all funding pulled.
don't forget the absolute blunder of EGS starting in the first half year of its release >Metro >Shenmue >all those Wishlist shit >the absolute inorganic marketing via e-celebs who barely were able to go "plz use epic" >all those Early Access games which vanished
To me its puzzling how EGS could fuck up so badly.
Look at fucking steam. I mean objectively look at it. Its clunky, it runs like shit. Clicking on store sometimes does not work and just keeps you on your library. At times it wont load the store properly. The forums are a joke and its attrocious to mod them.
And it took them like 20 years to get there. All sweeney had to do is build up a solid platform, one that works, and has all, and i mean ALL of the basic features. How the fuck can you launch a store without a goddamn shopping basket... iirc that was a feature EGS was missing at launch? I mean sure, I can understand missing a feature like the workshop... but they couldn't even get the most basic features shipped on a storefront that is supposed to cater to literally millions.
What's more ridiculous is that even now, after everything that's happened, he still has no real plans to improve the store or offer any of the features steam does. Skipping one paid exclusive and putting the money into the store could make it drastically better, yet he refuses. He's genuinely retarded.
Epicbros where do we go from here ? It's obvious that Epic is the better storefront since it gives us free games. Honestly it's quite disheartening seeing it fail, I even made threads quite often against Steam so that the public opinion would shift towards hating that dogshit store (that, remind you, doesn't even give us free games). I hate steamies so much, we could've gotten free AAA games like GTA5 every month but now we're only getting scraps... Think about it, GTA6 free on release only on Epic Games Store !
Hope based Tim doesn't give up and continues pressing forward and slowly eating away at Steam, that way we can secure even more free games.
>give free money to developers >somehow it translates savings to the customers
I don't get it. Even chinks will lower the price of their games to entice buyers, not give free shit outright.
Tim thought that giving 18% more of the revenue share would encourage developers to lower the price to compensate, forgetting that publishers are the ones setting the price and that no publisher is retarded enough to turn down 88% of $60 in favor of 88% of $50
Tim thought that giving 18% more of the revenue share would encourage developers to lower the price to compensate, forgetting that publishers are the ones setting the price and that no publisher is retarded enough to turn down 88% of $60 in favor of 88% of $50
Dude actually believes in trickle down economics lol
Probably doing just fine with Unreal Engine. He wouldn't have had the money for his retarded crusades and we wouldn't have to see schizo Twitter rants.
>epic games believed it could get half of all PC gaming revenue if they kept paying for exclusives
Are they legitimately retarded? Even a kid could tell them that's not how the games market works.
I will never install the Epic Chinese Store on my PC and they can keep losing money on giving games away, not going to take the bait.
This. There is no such thing as a free game, if what you're getting doesn't have a pricetag its because you're the product.
i dont really see how i "am the product" if i have 136 games on epic games and i havent spent a single cent on it. i have just grabbed every free game. how am i aiding epic games in any way? i would feel like a fool if i didnt use it to grab free games until they eventually stop
>he doesn't know
i guess i dont. i'd love to be enlightened.
You're the product.
Epic things you are the product what they've really done is given you hundreds of dollars with of games and gotten nothing. Even if they did have extensive spyware then they wouldn't have made money.
What they want to happen is you to buy games which you and a lot of other people haven't done.
They're selling your computer specs. And that digital advertising id you have gets updated. That's the grand evil. Fuck Timmy for doing it.
The real tragedy here is there is a man with this much money and absolutely zero brains.
How much money do you think they're making selling the fact my computer is a piece of shit from 2014? Not even a fraction of a percentage of what they spent for the free games they gave me, I bet.
My man tracking users and selling the data is big business, care to guess where Google got all their money from?
>watching kitboga
>find out the fucking DMV sells your information to seedy overseas companies that further sell to scammers so they can trick grandma into losing her retirement
I fucking hate this place
oh so that's why I keep getting telemarketer calls from my hometown even though I haven't lived there in like 6 years
a lot of those "were calling about your cars extended warranty" guys have your address, phone number, first and last name, possibly last 4 of your social, and also the make and model of every car you own and registration thanks to your own fucking government, and then they give that money to ukraine and israel but cant afford anothee stimulus
advertisers. dunno why you would work so hard for pennies when you could just have people hand you money.
targeting ads means getting ppls data.
...right, but, google was using the data to push ads to people more likely to click them, not selling the data wholesale. thats the whole point. "give us, google, your money, and we will use this data only we have, to push ads to people more likely to click them". that way you can keep charging people continuously, because you have it, and they dont. yeah sure they probably sold some of it wholesale, but thats a much smaller, one off, slice of the pie.
more likely they were giving private data to the government to keep them rolling in spookbux just like the other pseudo state apparati. it's not like youtube ever got profitable despite being part of the same machine
It's called telemetry.
Epic Games gathers a shitton of info about you and your devices, which they both use against you and sell to third parties.
If they are doing it right, it will come back to bite you in ways you don't even know, and can fuck with things like your credit score or your health insurance costs down the road.
>schizo jibber jabber
not him but he is right, you just won't ever make the connection
if you have certain lifestyle patterns that aren't monetized well, EGS tracks that, sends the data to a 3rd party and eventually that lifestyle will get more properly monetized, it's why companies pay the 3rd party data gathering company for their(Your) data
EGS, as in Epic Games Store, does not have that level of influence in markets. This would be believable if we were talking about a FAGMAN company
must be sad to be american lmao
it’s bad but imagine not even being able to produce anything such that you’d consume American products, fucking lmao, shits dark
reminder that your phone listens to everything you say and targets ads directly towards you 🙂
what ads? what phone?
oh dont worry, you not owning one has put you right at the top of our list. weve got everything else you own with their own personal agents
>ads
I haven't seen ads in decades
Yes, even on my phone
Big true. The type of processor you currently use tells me everything I need to know to convert you to Christianity and influence your employer to give only you a specific health insurance plan. Big fucked bros.
steam just gives this information out for free lmao. you can literally just go to the steam hardware survey and see all of this right now, for literally nothing
what fucking retarded company is paying egs for shit steam literally hands out for free lmao
Steam makes you consent to it and doesn't scrape anything for reporting metrics otherwise.
EGS is literal chinese spyware that will scrape anything it's not specifically told not to.
That data isn't personalized and is basically useless except for assessing trends
god I hate the 20 IQ drooling retards that infest this website so much
>my health insurance's face when they find out I have a 2060 and raise my premium for being poor
You reminded me of this https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sergey-galyonkin-epic-games-store-courting-new-younger-audience
>For example, Galyonkin confirmed that of all Fortnite players, only half have Steam installed and of those that have it installed, 60% are not using it actively.
Like, how the fuck would they know that?
Wasn't that the guy who datamined the fuck out of the steam userbase before jumping ship to epic?
yes, he created steamspy, and once valve broke it (can't remember how), he got assblasted and got a job at epic
>(can't remember how)
Steam profiles were public by default and Steamspy just collected the data.
Valve then made Steam profiles private by default and most Steam users decided that they liked it that way so Steamspy lost access to that data.
Using the steam API yeah, but this isn't something he could get from that
>tfw my credit score goes down because of my dxdiag
>health insurance costs
lol imagine being an amerilard
Least schizophrenic amerimutt
ok product
how many of those games have you played?
how many of your files been uploaded to epic/tencent/ccp servers?
is it worth it?
Bout 25 out of 300
Zero, I know I admin my own net
Yea
tims worth 8 billion dollars. you didnt give him "anything", apparently, and yet, he has the money. odd.
You using Epic is the product. The more people they get on their platform, the more gravity it has to pull in new users. It's like social media where there is usually one winner-takes-all and 2nd place is left with peanuts.
It's why WhatsApp is so popular in Europe even though texting is free now, or WeChat in China. Then the US has had a culture growing up with the explosion of iPhones being a status symbol and now iMessage has been taking over with its "blue bubble vs green bubble" bs. Epic would target any of these markets the same way- by losing money in a gamble to pull away enough users that your platform hits critical mass.
>how am i aiding epic games in any way?
You count as one of their active/returning users, the higher that number is, the easier is for epic to talk devs into making their game exclusive
They believe that once you have money to spend, after all you are just a kid playing fortnite, you will do it at the store where you already have a library of (free) games. What they don't understand is that to make the user feel indebted or self-justify using the store, you have to make them spend small amounts of money initially and over time.
So they should just have deep discounts other platforms can't match?
This, they haven't got a penny out of me.
>using their platform
>giving them your information
they may not have gotten a penny out of you, but you're doing what they want.
if you're white then you already know how to evade chinese spyware
only smart anon here
Bi-Long Dong thanks you for your data.
I can download the same games right now for free without installing EGS. Why do you choose to be their product by using their spyware?
I'm guessing their idea was that if they build you a big enough library for you to be using the epic launcher regularly, you would probably end up buying something while you're there, but the shop is still so slow and shitty to use, that I don't see how people would use if for "convenience", when it's faster to boot up steam and shop there.
I have like 300 free games on EGS. The 10 of them I actually played, i ended up just getting on Steam instead.¨
I don't know why I even claim those games.
Yeah, same, I've bought games on Steam that I knew I got free on EGS, just so I didn't have to use their awful launcher, that's how bad their service is from a consumer POV.
retard, the goal here is market share, if you accept the free shit on the ride up it is in fact free. They aren't looking to make money on you till 5 years from now, at which point you will either choose to value and extend your free gibs library or disengage and continue using steam.
>at which point you will either choose to value and extend your free gibs library or disengage and continue using steam.
Why the fuck would I stop using steam (or gog for that matter) just to "extend" the free gibs library when I can continue my business with the former and keep the free gibs.
I'm not the product, retard. All those parents buying their kids VBucks for Fortnite are funding it. You do remember that Fortnite is still crazy popular with kids?
Not so much with the parents after that $500 million lawsuit.
No, it's still the parents, Epic's just taking another L along the way.
The funny part is all the people trying to complain about China spying on them, they do realize that Google/Apple/Microsoft are doing way worse, and you use their phones/computers all the time? The majority are probably using the softcore porn digital delivery app(Tiktok), which is absolutely doing the same things as Google/Apple/Microsoft.
>but I'm on Win 7/8.1
Based on the statistics, you're not, and if you do, they're not updating the security anymore. Which is way worse.
>Google/Apple/Microsoft
>you use their phones/computers
Nope
>if you buy a $1.50 hotdog at Costco, you are the product
You’re a fucking retard if you don’t understand the concept of a loss leader. Epic isn’t “making you the product”, they’re burning money in the hopes you become a regular customer
That's not a free product, and the costco hotdog wasn't initially a loss leader when it was introduced.
The business idea here is to get people logging into EGS and have games through their launcher so it’s natural to also /buy/ games. It’s a foot in the door persuasion attempt.
Unfortunately a lot of people do what I do and just grab freebies, and then never buy jack shit. It’s like they’re handing out free samples at the baked goods store to get foot traffic but most people are just there for a free meal.
Now it’s not as crazy a strategy as it might seem, because Steam has a crazy strong position so you really need to suck people in to try to convince them to try your alternative.
You might think “why not compete without freebies”, but playing second banana (at best) for years with no real growth strategy other than “I hope people like us more than Steam” is death in the finance world. You need aggressive expansion to build investor confidence. As long as your base grows profitability can be long in the future. Look at Netflix. The party is over when they try to fleece their customers instead of expanding.
The trick is to be a high-IQ consumer and never be the product. You take what's free and run. You pirate where you can. You never tip your hand.
China is literally the only world power that isn't controlled by israelites. I bet you want TikTok banned too boomer.
>newfag doesn't know
lMAO
get it???
video games
Han Chinese are basically israelites, they act the exact fucking same.
>China is literally the only world power that isn't controlled by israelites
Absolutely brainwashed retard. israelites>chinks
>t. israelite lover
kys. i d rather see 6 trilion israelites dead
You know those chinks get in a room and worship a giant picture of a white israeli guy from Georgia right? You just play genshit and will never touch a woman so I doubt you would know that.
My feelings exactly. I claim every free game just to cost them money, but I have never even installed the Epic Spyware Store.
I only installed EGS once to try out Unreal only to ditch unreal
>Epic said it wouldn't be profitable until 2027
>EPIC IS DOOOMED 2 MORE WEEKS!!!!
Retards
I mean, we know for a fact thanks to epic's court cases the only thing keeping their store afloat is fortnite and UE license.
wasn't UE earning less than EGS as of the document from the Apple case
It was earning pennies compared to fortnite
averaging at $100 million, so if tim tried running egs like he does now on ue money alone, he wouldn't even last 6 months
to be fair, unreal has absolutely established dominance as far as gaming engines go. in that sense they are successful. now they just need to start turning the screws
no it fucking hasn't lmao, it's still a midrange engine for midrange games. Unity will still dominate indies, and AAA will still stick to proprietary engines for the most part
>now they just need to start turning the screws
thanks to unity shitshow you missed a turned screw just after unity pulled a unity
tim has started taking fees for non-gamedev usage of unreal engine, tho idk how big is it and whatever, we'll see how it changes the gameplay for him
>I mean, we know for a fact thanks to epic's court cases the only thing keeping their store afloat is fortnite and UE license.
Obviously? EGS is not their primary business and never has been, really. They were subsisting entirely on UE licensing money until Fortnite, and the Fortnite cashflow was so extreme they decided to throw that spaghetti at the wall and see what they could make stick. Make hay while the sun is shining, and all that. If EGS fails and they squander all the Fortnite money they'll just go back to developing UE like they did for a decade before they accidentally fell ass-backwards into a trillion dollar IP.
This is, like it or not, pretty standard practice in the games industry. It's why so many studios like Squeenix are flinging millions at GaaS slop that never sells. Because if even ONE catches on, it pays for all the rest, and they have the cashflow to keep trying. If EGS had managed to become profitable, it would have been enormous for them. If it doesn't, fuck it, what else were they doing with a trillion dollars in V-Bucks earnings? They'd be stupid to not at least TRY to leverage it into a stronger market position once its popularity inevitably fades.
They could've... Made more video games.
Like Unreal Tournament 4
Or Unreal Championship 3
Or even a brand new game like a single player focused shooter like Unreal 1
They could've rehired Cliffy B to see what crazy bullshit he wanted to try (he made the shit he did because those were the only thing private investors would give him funds for).
Sorry they're too busy pumping out Fortnite skins to make new games. 🙁 Epic hasn't released a new game in nearly 7 years.
Unreal Tournament lost areana shooters war to it's successor - Fortnite.
Pretty sure the original date was 2024.
You joke, but…
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/epic-expects-epic-games-store-to-be-profitable-by-2024
>$146 million for randyshit
yeah, Timmy is EXTRA retarded
God they're stupid.
Anon even the kids aren't playing fortnite anymore, epic just dumpstered the fallguys studio
TWO MORE WEEKS!
Why do you think they make posts like this?
Do you trust activision blizzard when they said Diablo 4 was their best launch ever?
>it took wow 20 years before they had to resort to nostalgia
>frotnut reached the same point in 5.
dire. What are they going to do when they run out of nostalgia bait?
>y-yeah game is more popular than ever but only because of THIS
That's not as nice of a gotcha as you think...
WoW classic also broke all the records when it released. Your point? Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
>but only because of THIS
it's certainly not because of their modern output. Otherwise they wouldn't have to rely on nostalgiabaiting.
Yeah bro, two more weeks and it's gone! This time for sure
fortnite sisters???? our response????????
>google
TWO MORE WEEKS!
>game is more popular than ever
bots don't count ;^*~~*~~)
It took Fortnite a few months to get more players than WoW ever had.
>free game played by pajeets seamonkeys and other subhumans is more popular than a 20 year paid mmo with a sub.
fr on god?
>epic just dumpstered the fallguys studio
Dunno why they bought them in the first place.
They don't even have collabs in the battlepass anymore, or even new collabs in the shop.
I don't know how they expect money to come in with the state it's degraded to
they enslaved part of the studio to work on fortnite stuff and left a skeleton crew on fall guys itself
>Timmy saw Fall Guys blowing up on Steam
>Got jealous
>Bought the company
Simple as that.
chasing trends is what they do
>epic can no longer justify its free million dollars exclusive policy
>indie games are selling literally 2 copies
unless Epic starts making fortnite hayday money again, its joever
>epic said
It was leaked, and given their current trajectory that’s almost certainly optimistic
4 more years bros, were turning this ship around
>continues funneling every dollar of profit into risky courtcases that will yield at most a 15% increase to profits made on the google play store, still banned from apple store lmao
>kills rocket league
>kills fall guys
>fortnite paypiggy money in the shitter
>exclusivity deals crumbling
OH YEAH! ITS EPICS TIME IN THE SUN!
'Heres how Hillary can still win' energy
Im very excited to see what Epic has planned to gain traction between now and then
What changes in 2027?
by then everyone will understand tim's genius and delete their steam accounts.
To be fair who knows what will happen to Steam after Gabe dies.
I am expecting someone to run it into the ground.
>Profitable by 2021? What did you expect when they said they wouldn't be profitable by 2022! The projection for 2023 is fair, so you should just give it time for their projection for 2024 to come around. I trust that Tim Sweeny wasn't wrong when he said it'd be profitable by 2025, and it's silly to think that their projection to be profitable by 2026 wasn't a realistic goal. Besides, they did say it wouldn't make any money until 2027, which it is clearly not.
Yeah it said in OP they also thought that doing the exclusive shit would actually win them customers. Clearly they are retarded.
>epig superpower by 2027 sirs! You just wait you bitch mother
newfag fail its a chinese company
shilled by streetshitter scum, yes
IT WILL BE PROFITABLE SOON!!
JUST TWO MORE WEEKS TRUST THE PLAN SISTERS!!
you betrayed Gabe and you should feel bad for it. EPIC was never going to last.
it was 2137 when they planned to be profitable not 2027, god you retards don't understand anything about investments
schlomo finkleberg told me I just gotta keep my money in this and I'll be rich in no time (well, my grandchildren I dont have yet will be)
>Its ok because they acknowledged their store would be shit!
The absolute state of Epicnaggers....
>Pay untold millions for exclusives
>Platform ends up being unprofitable
Where the fuck do they find the braindead morons who make these decisions?
I'm a fucking retard and I'd end up making better ones.
>THEY'RE GONNA BE PROFITABLE IN 2027 BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY'D BE PROFITABLE IN 2027
lmao
Good bait though.
who do you think believes that, is it timmy or his ccp overlords
>put zero effort into the store and launcher
>wonder why you didn't steal half of steam's marketshare
Pretty much every company that's ever been successful ever is guilty of such hubris.
Remember the PS3? The Wii U? The Xbox One? And that's just hardware examples, I could go on.
Go on for exactly 42 more minutes or your point is invalidated. I've started the timer.
except those companies had something to have hubris over, ps2, wii, 360. EGS has nothing and timmy still thinks he deserves to collect free money
Huh? Didn't fortnite, Unreal engine and Unreal game series make a fuck ton of dosh?
Pretty sure fortnite has made more money then unreal and unreal engine combined
compared to fortnite, no. that court case revealed they make pennies in comparison to selling children skins
We will be profitable by 2077 bros don't give up hope
Then sick help you braindead piece of shit
>Epic Games reportedly believed it could get half of all PC gaming revenue if they kept paying for exclusives.
I own 273 games on ESG and I didn't pay for a single one of them. I dunno how they expected to make money.
>display open contempt for end users
>end users don't use your shitty products
how could this be happening?? metaverse sisters, this was supposed to be our time.....
If EGS is kill then do I lose the zero (0) games I purchased on it?
egs is not successful but eg is obviously insanely successful from just fortnite alone.
>not profitable
They're a private company.
They don't want to be profitable for tax reasons.
Tim can just put all the extra money in his pants and say 'oops, no profit this year fellas' and nothing can stop him.
They will magically be super profitable the day Tim decides to sell the company or take it public.
>Tim can just put all the extra money in his pants and say 'oops, no profit this year fellas' and nothing can stop him.
That's not how it works, anon.
t. an accountant
>he doesn’t know about Hollywood accounting
Epic has nowhere near the same level of horseshit that Hollywood studios have at their disposal to pull that shit off. Don't be retarded.
in this case I think they are not not profitable if you know what I mean (here in my town we call it a fail)
>Epic Games Store launched 1,797 days ago on December 6, 2018
>Epic has since invested (estimate) over a billion dollars on exclusives and half a billion dollars on free games and other expenses
>We can just round it to 1,500,000,000 USD
>1,797 days have a total of 155,260,800 seconds
>Epic willingly spent 9.6 dollars a second on the hope that it becomes profitable by 2027
This doesn't account for purchases like Bandcamp, Rocket League and Fall Guys that were either moves for the Apple/Google trial or just getting a game off Steam to get their audience (and fucked it all up after).
im still pissed about rocket league and fall guys, i loved those games and now i cant play them anymore because they come loaded with spyware. total horseshit. at least i didnt spend any money on them.
fall guys is also EOS as they basically fired everyone because Tim oopsied their salaries into the apple lawsuit. Stumble Guys has more content with more variety and more frequent updates despite being a "cheap rip off" of fall guys
Imagine spending hundreds of dollars on fall guys items and then epic buys the game and you cant play it anymore lol
>believed it could get HALF of all pc gaming revenue if they kept paying fpr exclusives
LMAO
Timmy's entire thing is "muh 30% cut", but gamers don't give a shit about that. Steam is just better than EGS, even with the free games.
and that the lower cut would mean cheaper games, which wad bullshit bevause devs could still charge 60 for a game if they wanted to
Not to mention nintendo, ms and sony also do 30%. Why doesn't he fuck off from their platforms too then?
The Apple lawsuit was about setting legal precedent to say platform holders couldn’t charge the 30%. He just started with Apple because they get the least amount of fortnite bucks from ios
>mfw redeemed hundreds of games on EGS using my browser
>never bought anything and never will
>never installed EGS launcher and never will
>the couple of free games I've tried out I played on Linux using Heroic launcher
Tim can get fucked.
give it up Tim
Microsoft store already beat you
and they have better chance at beating steam than you
all you can do is join the enemy of your enemy
>MFW new free game on Epic
>Never claim, never install EGS
>Just a new target for the next time I'm on fitgirl, dodi or cs.rin.ru
Thanks Tim! Gives me the same outcome without the spyware!
>without the spyware
Has there been any big spyware/virus cases with any of the big trustable scenes recently? IGG injecting splash-screens (who knows what the fuck else) is the most recent I know about.
Empress is absolutely fucking crazy, but even he isn't being malicious (yet).
Fitgirl makes you download additional files during installation which sets off alarm bells for me
Wouldn't those just be the directx and vcredist files? They're checked by default and IIRC if you uncheck them the fitgirl installer downloads nothing extra.
Since Timmy already sued apple and steam will he sue microsoft or sony next and blame them for ESG continuing to fail because we know Tim's plan is literally perfect and only failing because mega corps are working against him.
Nobody on earth has come up with a reason why you'd buy a game on EGS if it wasn't exclusive or cheaper, and they were never cheaper. How do you run this platform if you've never bought a game?
>Epic Games reportedly believed it could get half of all PC gaming revenue if they kept paying for exclusives
tim thought it free money
timmy tenncent is so retarded he thought he could just force people to not use steam by bribing devs, oblivious to the fact that uplay and the EA store both tried and failed at that
and you already posted this
I'm just making sure people know this thread is made by obsessed redditors.
how much is Tim paying you to do so
As much as Gaben is paying you to spam these threads.
Then stop making and posting in these threads.
yeah, by posting a compilation pic of info that can be google without the need to scoop through reddit
and eisberg shill appearing everywhere whenever epic gets related, so doesn't really count as stalking
go the fuck back bitch
hey, gonna post it a bunch of times again?
maybe you should go back if you have such a knowledge of reddit
>Ebin says they want to fight against monopolies
>Refuses to support Linux because of "muh leaving america when election goes wrong" analogy
Fuck Tim.
where can we follow the court updates?
What if EGS fails btw, do people who bought games on it lose access to all their games?
Obviously they do.
Then why are people buying games there?
because MUST CONSOOM WITHOUT THINKING
yes, remember tbhra?
You got all of those games for free, don't act like your account holds any value.
>Numbers go up, we have a lot of sales for our investors!
>No actually numbers are down! We can avoid monopolies, taxes and the laws!
I fucking hate this corpo-communist shitbin of a world
>lurking steam
>small salt and sacrifice discount
>wait what, when was this released?
>check forums (steam of course, epic doesnt have those)
>been out for over a year on epic store, only hitting steam now
>On Epic Store yes, due to an exclusivity deal. As they say though, such deals seem to have a "black hole effect" on the games' adoptions.
Just another hades or darkest dungeon 2 I guess
Salt and Sacrifice was also a bit shit and not at all like Sanctuary so that didn't help
>could get half a PC revenue
>on a platform that has 10% of what the other major storefront does
Is Tim genuinely retarded?
>log in on the website
>grab free games
>close the website
thanks tim!
Never installed their spyware or any games but I have every free game they ever gave away.
damn, a new spambot just launched, just in time for epic vs google trial, how convenient
The only one spamming this board is you tho? I think this is the fifth "EPIC BAD" thread from the /fuckepic subreddit just today
please to redeem the egs voucher sar
>no u!
your concession has been accepted, last (You) for you
Honestly, with all the money they poured into it, they had a good shot of getting a solid chunk of the market. Too bad timmy invested that money like a retard and only succeeded in antagonizing people into not using his store out of principle
>with all the money they poured into it
if only they poured bigger part of it into usable client instead of exclusives...
We are getting more of Tim's court autism? Sweet.
not really because he has a tard wrangler this time + no livestream like the last time so we have to depend on journowhores who report from there
>on gg deals
>looking for game discounts
>game I want is "free" on EGS
>retail price on steam
>guess ill just pirate and wait for a reasonabke price on steam
>Epic Games reportedly believed it could get half of all PC gaming revenue if they kept paying for exclusives.
Could have worked if they would have gotten some high class games and not B-tier exclusives.
They literally gave away GTA 5 nigga.
>years after it came out
>rockstar launcher anyway
>the most pirated franchise in history
slow clap
Every time I've been forced to use Epic Games something went wrong with downloads/installs etc. They should have focused on making the system better than steam first.
The store doesn't have to work, it only has to exist for them to have standing for their lawsuits.
This is why Apple and now Google hammered Epic over how bad their store is, because its such an obvious slap-dash attempt to toss something together so they can file lawsuits against actual sustainable businesses.
Epic couldn't afford any good games
I think hitman 3 was the only game they ever had that I wanted
I fucking love Unreal Engine but EGS was a mistake.
>had an account before the store existed to mess with UE and wait for that UT game tthat never happened
>never buy games, just get free
>never install launcher, just Geforce now
heres how epic could have won
>the 12-18 percent cut whatever (customers dont give a shit)
>all 60 dollar games are permanently 50 dollars
>all 20 dollar games are permanently 10 dollars
>free indie games here and there WITH fortnite crossover events like steam used to do when they had to build a community
>SUPER SEXY EPIC SALE where we get those PEAK steam sales
>FINAL FANTASY 7 FOR 14.99 DOLLARS
>HITMAN FOR 9.99
>Tim shuts his fucking mouth and stops trying to outisraelite apple and google
>Community Manager making fun videos and pimping cool crossover video game events
>free cosmetics and shit everywhere
>literally be spending less money than theu currently are and making more money as a result
but yeah keep crying about app store fees and buying/killing studios faster than EA
They can’t set prices arbitrarily like that because it tanks the value of the product itself. There’s a reason a bunch of games got yanked off EGS when they did that “surprise” $5 or $10 or whatever it was off every game even new ones.
>tanks the value of the product
and epic would eat that cost. at the moment most people arent even aware kingdom hearts is on PC because epic is such a black hole
>they cant
they can WITH COORDINATION with publishers. You cant do the Timmy epic special of LMAO HERES A GAME FOR 10 DOLLARS OOPS I FORGOT TO TELL THE PUBLISHERS AND DEVS I WAS DOING THIS. Epic has lacked decent planning through this whole process and they just toss whatever hand grenade shows up in their pockets
>they can WITH COORDINATION with publishers
Problem is, the publishers wouldn't agree. These are the same people constantly trying to normalize higher and higher prices for new games, they would never agree to sell their games at a lower price point, even if Epic compensated them in full.
>they never would
then epic is always doomed.
Yes, the objective was never to succeed running their own store. Their objective was preferential treatment in other's stores.
Depending on the contract, they can.
Some stores like GOG 'purchase' a quantity of game licenses from a publisher for a lower price (since they purchase in bulk), which then allows them to put regular sales on for sometimes more than Steam or other services.
>all 60 dollar games are permanently 50 dollars
>all 20 dollar games are permanently 10 dollars
>SUPER SEXY EPIC SALE where we get those PEAK steam sales
>FINAL FANTASY 7 FOR 14.99 DOLLARS
>HITMAN FOR 9.99
They can't do any of that. Publishers are the ones setting the prices, not Timmy. The last time he forced a store wide sale, certain publishers chose to pull their games rather than accept their games being discounted.
You forgot
>launch with a slick, lean feature-complete client that has the features people like (MVP: friends list with drop in multiplayer available by simply right clicking a nigga) but without the ridiculous heft of Steam
That's unfortunately far in the past and difficult to rectify without a time machine, but the client being unfathomably bad in nearly every imaginable way was a major reason why EGS got shat on so much. The monkey business with Deep Silver and Metro Exodus resulted in a lot of anger, but the client being an unusable shitheap with Timmy Tencent actively trying to excuse its sorry state was just violently rubbing it in while laughing at the potential consumers for being stupid retard nagger cattle.
>>all 20 dollar games are permanently 10 dollars
bankrupt, I'm not reading further
I love with when you retards try to Ganker because you always paint a spectacular failure that would bankrupt the company
I've claimed a bunch of free games and played maybe one.
>court testimony
In other words a thus far unsubstantiated claim. I'll wait till the records thank you
Many companies are still not profitable. I'm pretty sure that Netflix even at peak popularity wasn't profitable. Lots of businesses invest most of their profits back into themselves to keep growing. Epic has successfully made tons of people sign up for their storefront and can now use those numbers to attract investors.
However, Epic is working under a false assumption. They falsely assume that a lot of their users will turn into paying customers when in reality, the vast majority of all people who use EGS simply claim the free games. I don't remember the exact data but a minuscule amount of their users end up paying, a number that decreases even more if you don't count Fortnite purchases.
Epic's end goal is gain a majority market share through their free games and cashback features but nobody uses EGS exclusively. Steam users and little kids use EGS as a tool for gibs and that's it. Steam is still growing at faster rates than EGS because they don't offer anything worth paying for. They funded Alan Wake 2 which is a nice but that's a niche game and won't break even.
>I don't remember the exact data but a minuscule amount of their users end up paying,
The evaluation of the topic that sticks with me is Valve makes more money from Linux users every year, than Epic has made from their store ever.
That was also before the Steam Deck and Steam for Linux getting up over 4% of the English-speaking market.
Those companies that "weren't profitable" like Netflix or Uber subsisted on the investment bonanza that was going on the previous years, and even disregarding that the biggest takeaway would be that, just like those companies, once they're done growing and have successfully killed their competition they're gonna put the squeeze on consumers harder than ever. Given Epic's reluctance to put meaningful consumer-facing features on their client and how they have dragged their feet on what few they've added, plus a little gem from the Wolfire vs. Valve lawsuit filing where Wolfire kept referring to the Steam Store and Steam Client as separate entities and arguing that the developers should only pay for the store costs (that is, bandwidth and storage), I'd be willing to bet Epic's long term plan once they've got people tied down is to sell a monthly subscription to access client features that were free on Steam such as remote play or controller mappings.
The little kids playing fornite is literally what is funding them, moron
>minuscule amount of their users end up paying
I believe it was 13% of their userbase
please Epic fall I wanna get Kingdom Hearts on Steam
I think theyre under 3 year exclusivity like Tony Hawk, so expect spring 2024, that said their pricing is heinous and you should just pirate
I appreciate your care but I am Square Enix's slut and bought these games on PS2, then again on PS3, and will gladly pay full price for all of them again on PC because I have brainworms.
do your thing anon, and have a good day
kek it's the guy that got btfo'd by a janny
These neo-console wars disguised as Engine & store wars are so asinine. Why do you give a shit about Epic and their awful store if you never use it anyway? Steam will remain king until Epic gets their shit in order and actually build a proper store, end of.
Tim being the colossal dishonest homosexual he is makes me care
>MUHNOPPLIES MUHNOPPLIES
>court docs reveal they would love to be a monopoly
>MUH APPLE MUH FAIRNESS
>court docs reveal they would take a deal exclusive to just them and shut up
>MUH EXCLUSIVITY MUH GAMER FREEDOM
>refuses to support linux, moneyhats devs for exclusivity
Its probably not a good idea to put all your chips on Gabe, but Valve has done incredible work for VR and Linux support where Epic has taken every dollar its made and turned it into....suing apple because "I want more money"
My point is instead of shitting up Ganker further with moaning about this prime-a turbosperg, just fucking ignore him, it's literally the biggest middle finger you can give to people like that anyway
Eh, Tim pays people to "disrupt" and post here, and hes a big ego guy. I think calling him a fag and laughing at his trillion dollar company failing to hit their mark does more damage to him.
Stream will remain king as long as it has workshop support for all its games. Literally NO other reason to use another store, ever.
I have w7, fuck Steam.
Too many pajeets work at Valve now so they force chromium shit.
Does EGS work on w7?
its not steams fault, blame microsoft for dropping support. There are 0 browsers that will actively support win7 in 2024.
>It's Microsoft fault Valve chose to use Chormium shit in their store to bloat it when it worked better before that
Why should I blame Microsoft for Valve's decision?
>its chromium!
what internet browser do you use? they will not be supporting win7 after 2024. win7 is completely fucking dead come 2024 and its because microsoft will not be supporting it. Its XP all over again.
Firefox, sorry Ranjeet but I'll stick to W7.
>No it's not pajeets fault at Valve for using poo coding in their store!
They made that decision, nobody else.
its always the pseuds who think they know everything. just move to linux
>support
I can still use it on w7, I won't even be able to USE Steam because pajeets want me to stop using it.
Sorry sirs, I'll stick to w7.
>outdated OS
>outdated browser
i hope you have enterprise grade firewall, if not you might as well use your ccn and ssn number as your user id, fucking retard i swear to God
>No it's not pajeets fault at Valve for using poo coding in their store!
chromium is an industry standard browser that is often used for cross-platform UI layout. want to know why? because every other cross-platform UI toolkit is fucking ass. QT, GTK, wxWidgets, they all look like garbage. chromium just werks and almost all ui design R&D these days is HTML+CSS+JS because it's now the defacto standard. you're just a nodev who thinks reinventing to wheel is a virtue
Fuck UI. Give me a terminal input version of steam. Especially since they deleted the —no-browser option
You mean steamcmd?
No I mean a full featured steam that you operate with text commands
>full featured steam
>no browser
You might need to be specific about what you consider 'full featured', because on Linux at least you can use the command line to do all the essential stuff for games you own, but a lot of the other Steam functionality only exists within the website.
All the steam features that don’t actually use a UI. Cloud saves, remote play, a list command so you don’t have to look up app ids separately. Store browsing/buying might be a pain but it makes sense to use a UI for that. Plus steamcmd can only run applications that don’t have steam drm which means you don’t need steam to run it in the first place. There’s no reason to constantly run a bloated ass embedded browser doing nothing when half this shit could be handled by a 10kb daemon running in the background. Especially when steamwebhelper is constantly fighting with GNOME and making all my games run like shit. -no-browser used to solve this but they removed that too.
inb4 >GNOME
I use Gnome, can't say I've ever had any performance or resources issues.
retards
issue with steamcmd is that you can't play games if they use the steamapi drm thing, you need the full client to do so
i know it's possible to crack it quite trivially, but it's still not ideal
Maybe its been a while since I've used it, or maybe its just the fact that games on Linux I would have used it with don't use the DRM.
steamcmd is still around, tard
>They made that decision
Embedded Gecko never really caught on. KHTML (aka Webkit / Blink) is really the only option without doing a ton of work.
Also there is this:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-users-windows-7-8-and-81-moving-extended-support
>Firefox version 115 will be the last supported Firefox version for users of Windows 7, Windows 8 and Windows 8.1.
>Mozilla will provide security updates for these users until September 2024. No security updates will be provided after that date.
So you're already running an old version of a browser, and security updates end in less than a year.
Nobody can support an OS that is abandoned by its vendor.
And I can still use it, what's your point?
No company is going to keep supporting a platform abandoned by its vendor, and there is no community that can support Windows 7 either.
Sooner or later you're going to have to accept that the community of users interested in maintaining a good OS are all using Linux.
Everyone who isn't, either bought into Apple's platform, or bent over for Microsoft.
Like I fucking said, I don't care if its "supported" or not. I won't straight be able to use Steam at all with w7. I can still and will be using firefox this moment.
It is true, you can probably keep that up for another year or two past the EOL, but sooner or later you're going to find you are having to do the same kind of things people like me were doing to get stuff working on Linux 10 years ago, but without the community of users and the access to the system that we benefited from back then.
Linux users can actually build a better platform and make it work. Windows 7 is never going to come back, and Microsoft is never going to change for the better.
Before they started using the cross-platform embedded open-source engine they use now, they used Microsoft's closed source engine that isn't really supported anymore by Microsoft, especially not on old platforms they've EOLd.
Trying to blame Valve is a no win scenario. Maintaining a browser engine is a ton of work, which is why there is really only KHTML and Gecko left.
WORKING PROGRAMS DO NOT NEED SUPPORT
SUPPORT IS WHAT IS BREAKING THEM
Me too but that still doesn't change the fact Steam is the best store and will always be so.
>I use windows 7
grandpa...
WHAT THE FUCK BROS STEAM DOESN'T SUPPORT WINDOWS NT HOW DARE THEY
I used XP until 2014 what's your point?
you are using old operating systems with less and less support
upgrade to a more modern one or go to linux
You poo in the street
and what exactly do you mean by that?
Whether or not there is workshop support is entirely up to the individual game. For example Cities Skylines 2 decided not to allow it, because paradox is a bunch of naggers
It'll have support once Paradox makes their israelite gold
Why do people laugh at retards anon? It's fun.
GOOGLE BROS IT'S OVER
SIRS STOP REDEEMING W7 WE NO SUPPORT IT ANYMORE GOOD MORNING SIRS STOP USING NEEDFUL W7 CHROMIUM IS INDUSTRY STANDARD!
good morning sir thanks for doooin the needful and dont forget to always avoid redeeming and update windows to 11 is very good sir
>Steamies called everyone else pajeets
>turns out they're the real pajeets
can't make this up
still trying to go for "no u" naggerhomosexual?
maybe you should post
again
Pajeet lost all its meaning and basically just means "person who disagrees with me" at this point. Many such cases.
>any time now
>the fucking irony of posting an image about people complaining about a guy who seems to always be there whenever Epic or the EGS is mentioned on the interwebs by posting in every fucking thread where Epic or the EGS is mentioned
That you're doing this shit for years by now is almost impressive, Eisberg.
For me, it's complaining about random people while also complaining about random people
You mean the random people that desperately ban-evade to keep posting that shitty image?
I meant more like how it randomly talks about random people that are randomly talking about random people
The hypocrisy isn't lost to me on that.
man, no livestream, no doc leaks, tim has a tard wrangler
fucking boring
apple vs epic trial threads were much more kino
I wish I could scam dumbass investors this easily
>$15M to make some twitchfags say "uhhh EGS good"
It's always funny to see corporations getting scammed by those fags at twitch.
whats funnier is they used Mixer as an example of what theyre doing. The stillborn twitch clone that died almost instantly
I honestly miss Mixer, that thing ran like a fucking sewing machine and the low latency mode was especially impressive (at least at the time). It's a shame it had to out-Twitch Twitch in order to live, which obviously was never going to happen.
True but it gets old when you have morons like BurkeBlack shilling it so hard and making a big deal out of it.
There is only one reason why I have never bought anything from EGS:
>2023
>Still not a sngle Unreal game in the Unreal store
People who have no respect for their own legacy deserve no respect from me.
Eat shit and die.
well there was 1 but uhhh, Tim killed that too
That's not just deHispanicable, but also extremely soulless.
It's worse than Nintendo pissing on Wario and Metroid. Worse, even, than Konami going pachinko balls deep raping Castlevania.
oh you missed it.They farted it out, and the community was so passionate they started working on new levels and even balance patches because epic wasnt gonna do anything with it, so they sort of handed it over to the community with effectively 0 tools and then killed it
me again, attached does an alright job talking about it
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Wait, it's not? They delisted all the UT games on Steam a while back IIRC only to not even put them on their own store? What the fuck.
gog too
>duskdev shits on epic store, confronts Tim directly about why Unreal isn't available anywhere and why doesn't Tim put it on EGS at least, which blew Tim the fuck out
>new blood ceo shits on epic store, made a fortune thanks to steam, launched multiple successful games back to back, got refused on EGS because he isn't hip enough for them
eh, maybe new blood isn't as shitty as some posters make it seem
ultrakill is still tranny garbage though
dave is great
he told tyler mcvicker to "go fuck himself"
ok now that's I didn't know about
fukken BASED
They teased a UT3 remaster but either lied or just gave up on it.
Remember when Epic said they would relist Unreal Tournament 3 as a free game then walked back on that?
I don't care if Gaben wins. I'll buy a game from GoG or even Uplay if it's cheaper. I just want Sweeney to lose.
>Tim Sweeney is a mega retard
WOAH WHO KNEW?!?!?!?!?!?!
WHY IS EGS STILL MISSING FEATURES THAT GOG HAS
Because EGS isn't a product, it's a front operation for China to leverage lawsuits against US-based competitors.
>China is using law against competitors
>Muttland is simply sanctioning everything in violation of every international law
Valve bends the knee to China as often as Timmy
When has Valve bent the knee the china and how does this differ from bending the knee to other countries? You won't respond.
They made their own seperate chinese client and have sales targeting chinese users occasionally.
Which apparently is just as bad as Epic literally being half-owned by Tencent - a company which is known for stealing and dealing with your private data.
>They made their own seperate chinese client
To comply with local laws
>and have sales targeting chinese users occasionally
There have been sales for other nationalities.
Try again.
Anon that was clearly someone else who was agreeing with you, it's like you somehow missed the half of the reply that made it painfully obvious
wait isnt egs's whole thing is about steam being a monopoly? like, isnt this just them admitting they wanted to be the monopoly?
Fixed
what is happening to all the millionaires and billionaires who make such retarded decisions, do they have a mental problem or does money cloud their minds?
both
Natural consequence of capitalism. You can’t afford to put the people that know what they’re doing in charge because they’re more productive doing actual useful work. You inevitably end up with utter retards in charge.That’s why all the best game companies started as indies and slowly degraded after getting bought out by publicly traded behemoths
Tim is out there fighting for us and you are laughing?
he's fighting for your remote, not for you
Should I add this picture here?
how about you fix the text aliasing so it doesn't look like dogshit
>he's still at it
lol, have you tried going back?
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/656573436
>15 times
Why are you creating daily threads like this and knows everything that happens in them?
you're a brain damaged retard who clearly doesn't understand how an image board works
go back, faggola
awww did I upset the Redditor?
>redditor goes for no u response
as expected, I accept your concession, keep dilating in the meantime
holy schizo, i hope he is getting paid
>he's the schizo
>not the guy creating 5 anti-epic threads per day
???
Ban evading 15+ times just to post a shitty image is pretty schizo
Oh nooo, why don't anyone think about the poor jannies!?
ESL detected.
yes, you
what's really convenient is how he came up with all of his reddit knowledge just in time for epic vs google trial
getting triggered by that steamie screencap and showing signs of him being an ESL
really makes one think isn't it
Should you be making some posts on /fuckepic?
You really seem to know a lot about the reddit, why don't you go back instead of constantly spilling spaghetti?
o b s e s s e d
As always, thank you for the pic. My 30 second paint mashups look decent compared to... that thing. I imagine the low resolution is to save hd space, right? You should convert the pic to jpg too if that's a problem over there.
You told me this yesterday mr. Shill. Don't worry tho I'll keep posting this in your shill threads to make you happy.
>still at it despite getting btfo by both jannies and anons
I really hope you are not doing it for free.
How many times have you changed your IP now to mass report the post?
>Ganker is one person
Yep, this epicjeet is buck broken. Bring a new one, Tim.
holy schizo
Embarrassing. And I'm not talking about what's on the pic, reddit nagger. Go the fuck back and stay there.
>posting the same images over and over
Ironic considering how you ban evade to keep posting this image over and over
BLOOD BASTERD PROSTITUTE DELETED THIS THRED RIGHT NOW
EPIC GEME GOOD
EPIC GEME STORE GOOD
UNREL ENGENE GOOD
FARTSHITE BEST GEME
FAIL GAYS BEST GEME
RAKSHIT LEGUE BEST GEME
TIM-SAMA SUPERPOOWER STEME BAD DESTROYER DO THE NEEDFUL
YES SIR WE GankerS THEY REDDIT SIR
meds, NOW
your remote
gets me every time
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/text/%3Echews%20your%20remote%20/
Is this a bot?
>been posting since 2019
No that's a dog
>25 posts starting from 2019
yes schizo, everything's a bot and Ganker is one redditor poster
No, you're a bot animated by neurotransmitters
Are you the shill that keeps getting BTFO after spamming that fuckepic image?
>26 posts over 4 years
No schizo, go take your meds.
Do people actually hold their tongue like that?
Just make new games Tim, that simple.
>Unreal tournament 4
>Jill of the jungle 2
>Jazz Jackrabbit 3
>Infinity Blade 4
>Just make new games Tim, that simple.
Unironically this. Only games should be innovative like Fortnite.
tournament 4
dead game, was actually plenty fun
Epic is literally raping google in court today.
Don't, give me the next free game already Tim
It better be a good one this time
Epic Games Store is the greatest platform to play The Day Before on.
Games, like porn, are essentially a post-scarcity good, exclusives won't work unless they can get most of a year's releases to be exclusives
this. even if you call 95% of the shit that comes out on steam shit/slop/asset flip, its sheer numbers. about 42 games came out on steam, today. on the epic games store?
well. i dont know. it doesnt let you search games that way. you have to click on a game in the "new releases" section to actually see the date it was added, and some of these are a few months old.
Did these naggers really believe that they could defeat Steam by just giving away free games and paying for exclusive deals?
Yeah, Timmy did. The idea was to force enough people to go to his platform for something you couldn't get elsewhere, that it would naturally become self-perpetuating.
He's such a fucking dumbass though, that he thought he was smarter than what, 500 or more years of mercantile wisdom about the customer needing to come first, even if only superficially? He decided hey, fuck the people who I'm trying to get to spend money. They don't matter - only the people publishing these games need to be catered to!
There was never any avoiding EGS falling on its face. The only question was how long fortnite and UE can keep it afloat.
esl bro pls
Sorry you couldn't understand my post. An education past the 4th grade should help you with the harder words and concepts being used.
Might be hard, but I'm rooting for you, little bro.
>the original plan was for the Epic Games Store to someday grab half of all PC game revenue.
Maximum delusion
that fuckhead Allison even suggested Timmy how Steam is ripe for disruption
deluded beyond belief
not surprising considering Allison was working for old Telltale shortly before its bankruptcy
based its not about the money Tim, fuck that israelite gabe and his long nose supporters
it's all about the money for tim
cope mr israeliteell
You have ten (10) seconds to prove you are not chinese
I don't like Valve
Tiananmen Square Massacre
slow and steady wins the race, steam is dying while fortnite is averaging 6 million new players per day
I love Tim but his launcher is SLOW. I don't particularly care about Steam's social features but you need some basic features like profiles and chat when you have several online games (fortnite, fall guys etc.). also you don't necessarily need to copy Steam. you need innovation. Tim is absolutely based for actually investing in gaming creation but he needs to make his launcher more fun.
God i just fuckin hate these anti customer assholes so fuckin much. Exclusivity? Fuck you this is the free PC market you disgusting dick licker!
this runs epic games store lol
i don't know about you guys but i'm just not going to install 2 game stores on my pc. im just not. steam works and has plenty of games. so yea. if you sell your game on epic im just not going to ever play it. like ever. i don't give a shit. it might even be the best game ever made. i don't care.
this is the same mentality as PS/Xbox players and its not very hard to have the same mind-set on PC, your game library is where you want to be at all times and that's never going to change.
I decided not to install Epic after seeing the kind of devs who were hype about it.
They were praising it for not allowing customers to "troll" by giving bad opinions and disallowing community forums for games and shit like that.
any name or link you remember? i want to add some material
>add all free games to library so timmy has to pay for them
>never install epic chinkware launcher
Spotify still isn't profitable either, it's not gone anywhere and it won't go anywhere.
It's okay, Microsoft will buy it and save it and then steam and unify pc gaming and save gamer culture
Strongarming yourself into a video game market doesn't really work. Xbox 360 tried with the japanese market, and a bunch of exclusives did them no good either.
Exclusives only work if there's no community. No one identifies as a Netflix or Disney+ user....it's just some service people pay to stream crap from. Steam is a lot more than a store now, and people don't want to deal with another community
>Game is given for free on the EGS store
>Said game's Steam forums are immediately flooded by people asking for help, be in-game or technical troubleshooting.
>Game is given for free on the EGS store
>Said game's Steam forums are immediately flooded by people seething about the game because the devs dare to put it on another store
fix'd that for you
good evening sir
Tell your employers to give the EGS a forum so they don't need to rely on Steam's.
keep crying timmy
your store will never be good or usable
>I've only pirated Epic exclusives
And the only game I actually bought when it came to Steam was FF7 remake, I would buy the Kingdom Hearts games too but they don't seem to be coming to Steam ever
post yfw you didn't spent a single cent on tim store
Sweeney must be the most out of touch idiot I've seen.
Ah yes! I will show this to /misc/ to challenge their belief that high IQ is everything.
Remember when Tim said PC gaming is dead and consoles are the future during the PS3/XB360 era?
Then he said the reason for the EGS was to make PC gaming great again by saving it from Valve's monopoly or something.
And they do that by making it shittier for the end users with no user reviews or anything because "the game companies will decide, game users will just have to put up with it."
It's like he's trying to sabotage Tencent's efforts on purpose. Like how Branden has done far more damage to America in just 3 years than what agents of China, Russia, and various other enemies could've only dreamed of during in their entire lifetimes.
Why are you spreading lies like that?
>Garbage numbers
>still posts them
I don't buy EGS exclusives. I don't even claim the free games on EGS. I will never install EGS.
it was literally his game plan. he even acknowledged that steam was better.
>has near limitless cash from kids buying skins
>could have but a tiny amount of that to improve his launcher at breakneck speed
>instead spends it all on exclusive, free games, an old mall and losing lawsuits
He really needs someone to filter out his retarded ideas
In other words, he thought he could win by outspending Steam.
He thought he could come along after Steam, Ubi, Origin, BattleNet, GOG, and just spend his way to a W
RETARD ALERT!
Dude, fuck off. I got a bunch of free shit from Uncle Timmy and Tencent. I hope it turns profitable soon so they can give me more free shit.
If it became profitable the free games will stop
You want the opposite since the longer they remain irrelevant the more free games they will offer to get more users who will hopefully buy something
I get more free AAA games from fucking Amazon Gaming who gives a shit.
What the fuck is Amazon Gaming?
Yeah, but the problem is that if they hemorrhage money for too long, they'll inevitably have to close down and we lose access to our free shit.
One of the thousand pieces of bullshit you get with Prime is a bunch of random lootboxes and the world's shittiest version of Humble Monthly - https://gaming.amazon.com/home . Literally no one knows about it or uses it.
>What the fuck is Amazon Gaming?
It's free games, dlc's, and in-game items you get with a Prime membership.
I got Dishonored 2, Prey, Mordor, Jedi Fallen Order, Witcher 3, and some others from it
Not completely true. Most of it's garbage. But you have to keep checking because they give away good triple AAA's on occasion
I don't care about in game items
I've gotten a few things out of it and it's not like I wouldn't have Prime anyways but goddamn. The launcher is also a weird vestigial thing that doesn't really make sense. You'd think it'd be integrated into the Amazon storefront or something so you could buy games off it, but nope.
Amazon piss me off because they put games on there I've bought already. Rage 2 was good i liked it
I got AC Origins deluxe from them at least. that was the best score I got from them so far, and was actually good
they give away a bunch of Neo Geo games, but I've never bothered downloading their DRM client to play them
Yeah I don't get it either. If they wanted to use it as an actual draw (for the three people on the planet who don't use Prime for shipping, but could still be convinced to buy it), they should get more recent and higher prestige games. If they just want it to be a dumping ground for shit like all the SNK games so they can say "there's free video games", why get the 5-10 year old titles as well? And then there's also the wordle microgame stuff and that's even weirder.
I don't know why they have a separate website for Amazon Gaming either.
You'd think they'd have everything integrated with Amazon proper and have their own Steam set up to sell games digitally.
Maybe it's just not on the table for them right now? dunno
I really don't want to install their desktop DRM to play anything. I don't even like having to install Epic just to play Rage 2. I'm really just trying to never use EGS forever
Same on all counts. At this point the only reason I'd ever use EGS is because I want to use some mods for KH3 and I don't know if they work on pirated copies. I know the KH2 rando mod doesn't work with the pirated PC version.
And as far as Amazon not wanting to compete with Steam directly, I can understand them not wanting to piss Valve off given how many of the games Amazon publishes are on steam like New World and Lost Ark. They already shat the bed with Crucible, no use in making enemies.
I got Dead Island 2 and Calisto Protocol free with the AMD bundle with my vidya card.
Dead Island 2 was a key on EGS. So I just never played it :/
I think you're right maybe they either want to keep a working relationship with DRM platforms. maybe they're just too preoccupied with their streaming content, or with trying to put UPS out of business or something
If you've got way too much free time, https://www.yalelawjournal.org/note/amazons-antitrust-paradox is a really good writeup on all the shit Amazon does to weasel its way into every corner of basically all commerce.
thanks for the link, browsing it right now. I love this stuff actually, even if the legal speak is above my paygrade
its just there to tick a box. tons of companies do this, so when they present their stuff to something large they can put "and games!". thats it. microsoft did (still does) this forever. remember zune, remember windows phones, windows mobile, yadda yadda. its a small loss that might be the straw that pushes forward a massive deal that will make it all back. it sounds retarded when you consider its like hundreds of millions of dollars a year, but is it really when it might of got you a government contract thatll make multiple billions back?
>windows phones
it's unrelated but I always thought Microsoft had what it took to conquer the mobile OS market. they had the platform everyone already loved. but instead Google and Apple drink their milkshake. oh well. some minor UI tweaks to literally just copy Androids icons on a wallpaper background and they could have done it imo. microsoft, such dummies
really? it never seemed like it to me, even though i personally wanted a windows os phone back then. even had one of the main team leaders of windows mobile stay at our house like 15 years ago and i was joking i could save phones right then and there if i just killed him in his sleep.
it probably would of been pretty shit if windows won, but alteast we wouldnt be fucking around with whole entire different os's while trying to get shit on our phones working with computers.
The things is that now that I see Windows 11, and where things have gone, I'm glad it never happened. If they'd won the mobile war it would just have meant that things would have gotten worse and worse on the mobile market.
I wanted to have windows on my phone, but I was thinking of Windows 7 back then when I say this, not this monstrosity OS they've been pushing since Windows 8. I never liked tiles, desktop or otherwise (which is why I use the Classic Shell mod for my Windows 10). But I'll take Android on it's worst day over that dumpster crap
They got their hands burned by the antitrust lawsuits for bundling hardware and software, and eyes were on them in particular. They weren't able to create exactly the sort of walled garden apple ended up cultivating because they'd already done it before on PC.
The UI was the least of their issues, the tile shit that got such a bad reputation on Windows 8 actually translated extremely well to the phone screen. The main issue is that Microsoft was a couple of years late into the market and they were the eternally uncool Microsoft going against Apple (you know the drill) and Google (who were still high on the "don't be evil" reputation of the 00's), so they never managed to gain the critical mass needed to take a proper chunk out of the market. It didn't help that they only ever really had Elop-era Nokia making proper devices for them, everyone else just kinda half-assed some extremely limited runs into the market that nobody bought.
Well as long as fortnite makes money the store can sustain
Honestly I don't know what they can do to be profitable at this point, they make around $30-40 million from 3rd party games a year and their crazy spending plus costs to run the service puts them in the red for like over 10 years at this point.
Even if they stopped spending it won't reach profitable for well over two decades unless user spending increases substantially
>Well as long as fortnite makes money the store can sustain
You see, that's the problem Epic is facing rioght now. Fortnite isn't making them nowhere as much money as they thought it would.
Well they started giving a cut to fortnite creator games on top of spending in the game going down
Plus pretty much every other endeavor they do isn't making much or are money pits
>he thinks they'd continue the freebies if they became profitable
Kek, rofl even.
>he thinks only tim wheenie who can get you free stuff
make some Russian friends, technology illiterate zoomer
Ok yeah but what are some flaws or oversights of steam that competitors could capitalize on?
The 30/70 revenue share. On Steam, developers basically pay 30% of their revenue to stay on the platform, doesn't matter if they're AAA trash like Ubishart or irrelevant Indie studios. On EGS Indies get a much better deal, in exchange for having no audience whatsoever since 99.99% of EGS's users are retarded Fortnite addicts who play nothing but it.
A decent store without any extra bloated social media bullshit.
GOOD!
A lot of good stealing our Steam games for 6 months did for you. Chinese garbage
turns out Tim was a fucking IDIOT all along.
Why don't they just make a good storefront instead of just delaying games 6 months?
>half of all pc revenue
>if they kept paying for exclusives
epic deserves to go down in flames
>release new hot skin in parpnite
>delete it from the shop 16 hours after its released
>artists make porn of the skin after its gone form the shop
>no one can buy it anymore
epic is so bad at marketing and fomo
That's not Kimiko the Fox
There was a period of months where I couldn't even get the stupid store app to open and wasn't even worth the free games
And it still doesn't have feature parity with Steam...
I don't mind EGS.
Apparently I've claimed 338 free games so far lol.
What good triple AAA games can I get on EGS. Is it even worth installing
the new tomb raider games
old and new fallout games
the bioshock games
dishonored games
evil within games
wolfestein games
just cause games
hitman games
metro games
batman games
borderlands games
darksiders games
prey, alien isolation, gta v
they have gifted all those games, which are considered AAA
you have rage 2 deluxe edition because of prime gaming, but you dont have also ghostwire tokyo?
they gave that within a few weeks of each other
Apparently I already had it.
I don't remember buying it and I don't see the transaction in EGS. I don't see it as a code redemption either. Maybe it just didn't show in recent.
I bought it for ps4 a while back though too.
But yeh, been claiming games since basically the launch of it all.
One day... I'll get around to them lol
>FREE GAMES!
>it's fucking indie shovelware and 20 year old shit
So many dumb retards ITT who have never run a company let alone worked in their life
all these israeli corporations run at a loss so they pay less taxes or no tax at all
I fucking hate you guys for making me think epic bad, I could've been a Fortnite founder.
Isn't there supposed to be a group of shareholders or people who's job it is to keep CEO's from going too far off in the deep end, else they end up being forced to step down? Why hasn't that happened to Tim yet? He's going to completely bankrupt the studio with his deranged personal vendetta against Gabe.
i think timmy boy holds the majority stake
if you believe the shitposts, tencent owns the most and timmy might actually be just an unwillingly pawn. it coulda sorta make sense, why hes seemingly acting so stupid. its not actually him, its tencent, and tencents worth like 376 billion so throwing him and his company under the bus is really just pennies to them.
tencent takes 55% of the cut on their own store. they dont actually care that steam takes 30%, they just might want to erode valves market share so they can slip right in.
I hope you guys keep using EGS claiming all those free games cause every game claimed increases the counter which potentially means Epic has to pay more to the devs - as usually the pay depends on how many games end up being claimed.
I would make a million EGS accounts if there was an easy way to do it just to farm accounts and slowly drain Timmys bank account dry.
tim never paid per-copy, tim always paid a flat fee for infinite number of copies, retard
you're wrong
Epic vs Apple court docs say otherwise
have a nice day
if you really wanted to dunk on me you'd post proof
you're making it up though so you wont
here, naggerhomosexual, now have a nice day, because you were tricked into using shit store by a false assumption that timmy paid per-copy
I wish this was the case for a lot of indie devs I like, like the old 2dboy, but it's not, epic just makes a one-time payment
>epic just makes a one-time payment
no they dont
proof that they don't?
burden of proof lies on you
https://www.vg247.com/epic-games-store-free-games-11-6-million-cost-court-documents
they did both. dunno why this matters so much, but theres been some interviews of devs talking about getting one time payments based on estimated sales and some devs getting pissed because they got 200k when the sales made epic like a million or yadda yadda. again, i dont know why this makes a difference.
Not that it matters now that someone brought a link but burden of proof lies on whoever makes the first claim, which was the guy claiming Tim paid per copy
>epic laid off more than 830 employees because they are bleeding money
>every single unreal engine game for the past 5 years has been a complete technical blunder with shit performance, stuttering, screen-space garbage, temporal smeared shit
>spending millions fighting google and apple over the 30% cut they take (which is industry standard when you build a userbase and platform)
>wasted $273 million (according to pitchfork) buying bandcamp and sold it for $130 million (according to billboard)
>spent $95 million buying Cary Towne Center mall to build their new headquarters but haven't done anything with it.
>>now they are paying fines for not maintaining the land
>hit with a $520 million dollar fine from the FTC AND they have to refund ALL customers that have made a purchase on fortnight after SCAMMING its users by making unintended purchases
>fortnites revenue has continued to decline and epic are spending more than ever fighting for zoomer relevancy with tie-ins
>tencent are angry at epic's performance and see this as tim sweeney's fault and have threatened to pull their funding if cuts aren't made
>EGS has been a complete failure
hate epic's monopolistic practises (shit client and forced exclusives)
are claiming free games which cost epic money
aren't spending ANY money on EGS
>>the few exclusives people buy epic only makes 12% (or 5% if UE)
>>EGS gained 48% users in 2020 (108m to 160m)
>>EGS only gained 2.94% ($680m $700m) more revenue during a pandemic
its over for epic
$273 million (according to pitchfork) buying bandcamp and sold it for $130 million (according to billboard)
>>hit with a $520 million dollar fine from the FTC AND they have to refund ALL customers that have made a purchase on fortnight after SCAMMING its users by making unintended purchases
$95 million buying Cary Towne Center mall to build their new headquarters but haven't done anything with it.
It's hilarious to me how much money someone can just piss away like this.
I mean if I have access to Tencent's infinite money I'd waste them away on random shit too.
>Tells Apple and Google how to run their digital storefront
>Meanwhile Apple and Google have profitable stores and Epic doesn't
FUcking Kek
>doesn't count
your concession has been accepted
not even worthy of (You)
>Epic spent over 100 million to keep Boredomlands 3 exclusive for half a year
Randy laughing his way to the bank.
Tim is such a fool
it's going to become profitable by 2027 so everything is going according to the plan
Making a new store with a shittier ui and paying for exclusives just makes me not want to buy the game, I'd rather just pirate if it's not going to sit with all the other stuff I paid fot
>Epic Games reportedly believed it could get half of all PC gaming revenue if they kept paying for exclusives.
They probably could as well if they had better marketing.
The only thing they had to do is capture new blood over old blood. Nobody in their right mind is going to switch from steam over to epic just because. But for kids who don't have a steam account, its more likely to make a epic account to play games on there. Eventually those kids would grow up, and be the same kind of audience as steam drones. But that would take time, and in todays business world you have to grow 195% every quarter or you are deemed unprofitable and get all funding pulled.
don't forget the absolute blunder of EGS starting in the first half year of its release
>Metro
>Shenmue
>all those Wishlist shit
>the absolute inorganic marketing via e-celebs who barely were able to go "plz use epic"
>all those Early Access games which vanished
To me its puzzling how EGS could fuck up so badly.
Look at fucking steam. I mean objectively look at it. Its clunky, it runs like shit. Clicking on store sometimes does not work and just keeps you on your library. At times it wont load the store properly. The forums are a joke and its attrocious to mod them.
And it took them like 20 years to get there. All sweeney had to do is build up a solid platform, one that works, and has all, and i mean ALL of the basic features. How the fuck can you launch a store without a goddamn shopping basket... iirc that was a feature EGS was missing at launch? I mean sure, I can understand missing a feature like the workshop... but they couldn't even get the most basic features shipped on a storefront that is supposed to cater to literally millions.
What's more ridiculous is that even now, after everything that's happened, he still has no real plans to improve the store or offer any of the features steam does. Skipping one paid exclusive and putting the money into the store could make it drastically better, yet he refuses. He's genuinely retarded.
Epicbros where do we go from here ? It's obvious that Epic is the better storefront since it gives us free games. Honestly it's quite disheartening seeing it fail, I even made threads quite often against Steam so that the public opinion would shift towards hating that dogshit store (that, remind you, doesn't even give us free games). I hate steamies so much, we could've gotten free AAA games like GTA5 every month but now we're only getting scraps... Think about it, GTA6 free on release only on Epic Games Store !
Hope based Tim doesn't give up and continues pressing forward and slowly eating away at Steam, that way we can secure even more free games.
Free games.
Learn to pirate homosexual.
this platform wont ever be profitable when they throw out free games.
>give free money to developers
>somehow it translates savings to the customers
I don't get it. Even chinks will lower the price of their games to entice buyers, not give free shit outright.
Tim thought that giving 18% more of the revenue share would encourage developers to lower the price to compensate, forgetting that publishers are the ones setting the price and that no publisher is retarded enough to turn down 88% of $60 in favor of 88% of $50
Dude actually believes in trickle down economics lol
>release a digital storefront in 2018
>don't add a shopping cart until 2021
client rival war?? lmao what
Just use client and play game
for instance
Get on rumble mode in rocket league , dont play standard like a fag
we finally have Lightning McQueen
Where would Tim be today if fortnite hadn't been a massive hit?
Probably doing just fine with Unreal Engine. He wouldn't have had the money for his retarded crusades and we wouldn't have to see schizo Twitter rants.
>epic games believed it could get half of all PC gaming revenue if they kept paying for exclusives
Are they legitimately retarded? Even a kid could tell them that's not how the games market works.
can someone help guys?
https://twitter.com/DevSpacePrez/status/1722161073174765928
the monopoly push is still not getting any organic traction.