TLJ was one of my favourite PnC games

What does Ganker think about the sequels? Are they worth playing?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Remember trying it ages ago but not much else.
    Is there reason why it's goodest point and click?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Is there reason why it's goodest point and click?
      The same reasons which make other PnC great - atmosphere, characters, plot, humor, puzzles.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        So nothing remarkable? Just better than average everything

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          What do you mean by "remarkable". It wasn't groundbreaking in any way, didn't change the genre, didn't have any very unique feature. But I loved the story and for me it is remarkable.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know, I guess something that sets it apart from others.
            It's no big deal, I'm more of a hidden object game player myself than point and click.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I think the world and two lead characters are the peak of the point and click genre. The game is also deceptively long but never feels bloated, it's a great adventure.

              The sequel was also really good for the time, was once one of the best graphical games available.

              The final part was... okay. It was a somewhat disappointing ending despite wrapping up every plot thread, it focused more on adding new ones and choices.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with all of your opinions.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm more of a hidden object game player myself than point and click.
              They are very different indeed. Try some good PnC.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I played deponia at some point. It was pretty good, but I'm stupid so get lost when there's too many areas and items then it goes to either too much trial and error going here and there trying all possibilities or look up some guide

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Dreamfall is pretty good and the 3rd game kinda blows but has Charlotte Richie kill it as a VA and carry the experience.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    bumping
    I wish April got to show Crow Stark.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >devs tease during kickstarter that an Arcadian will come to Stark and it will be a big deal.
      >it's just some nobody that comes to Stark for like 5 seconds to push a button
      Frick you, Ragnar for getting my hopes up

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I played the first one a few weeks ago and found it to be pretty good. My biggest gripes were times where I felt it was way too heavy on dialogue and it takes a while to get into the more exciting parts. Everything else is good.
    Also, the rubber duck puzzle is a meme. The worst puzzles are a three-way tie between the underwater cave puzzle, the part where you need get the sailor to sign the map, and the part where you need to get the two workers to open a door for you.
    Now, from my knowledge, people say the second one is either mediocre or good but not as good as the first, and the third one is absolute gigapozzed dogshit that ruins the entire story.
    Can someone explain what went wrong with the third one?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Point and click games aren't made anymore so it tried to be more like a telltale game. It failed at that, but succeeded at retaining the feeling of the world and characters (albeit the "modern" section of the story was bland on purpose but that made for bad gameplay).

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Point and click games aren't made anymore so it tried to be more like a telltale game. It failed at that, but succeeded at retaining the feeling of the world and characters (albeit the "modern" section of the story was bland on purpose but that made for bad gameplay).

      they also made the fantasy side all about two burley gay guys and someone's tumblr-sona fighting a resistance against le ebil techno natzis

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Can someone explain what went wrong with the third one?
      Remember that massive moral panic that happened around 2013? The whole insanity around Gamer Gate and Sharkesian's shitshow and "gamers should not be your audience"?

      Well, Ragnar Tornquist, the guy who wrote all of TLJ/Dreamfall (as well as The Secret World) was always - like most snowBlack folk - very strongly left-leaning, but he used to also still very talented writer. TLJ is full of critiques of capitalism, full of gay characters and the main implied love-interest for the MC is a black guy, but nobody cared back then because honestly... they satire of capitalism was well done and funny, the gay characters were still WELL WRITTEN characters, and everything was appropriate for the setting.

      Well, Tornquist got caught in the 2013 moral panic bad. Like, REAL bad. He... he basically completely lost his mind. He isn't the only one who went mental during that era, it was quite common. The mass panic and radicalization of the political spectrum just sucked people in and made them lose track of common sense.

      So basically what happened then is that Tornquist started writing Dreamfall Chapters out of place of profound, deep SPITE. He felt like everyone who isn't radical leftist like him (which was 99% of fans of his work) are his enemies, and that games themselves are a terrible medium that has only one justifiable purpose: to preach left-wing ideology, and delibertely piss off everyone who disagree's.

      HIs own identity, and with that, the undeniable talent he had, were consumed by aggressive, spiteful political ideals.
      I am not a /misc/ tard and I try to separate authors from their works, and I don't mind works that reflect different values than mine as long as there is great craft behind them. So trust me, I take no joy in saying this.

      The guy just lost track of what matters. He focused so much on preaching and subversion, that he forgot how to make a character likable, or a story coherent.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What is he doing now? Hopefully he's not around here anymore?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Tornquist made his own indie game studio while Funcom (owner of TLJ rights) is now a Tencent subsidiary
          What a happy ending!

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Tornquist made his own indie game studio while Funcom (owner of TLJ rights) is now a Tencent subsidiary
          What a happy ending!

          Oh, and pic rel is his newest project

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Why do I get a feeling epic is going to give away this shit for free not even a year after its release.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I really don't like the dreamfall games. both of them have a weird pacing issue with them, going slow to build up all these different plot threads only to rush it at the last 20 minutes and only use one or two of those threads. there are so many questions left unanswered in both games where TLJ had the decency to wrap some of them up. They also really like shafting any storyline that had to do with Stark, and that was the ones I was more interested in.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >there are so many questions left unanswered in both games
      I heard that Dreamfall ends in a cliffhanger but I thought that at least it gets resolved in Chapters.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Agartha? maybe, I stopped playing after Zoe's last bit in the game. The Stark story still stays on another cliffhanger where everything is left in a state of unease.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Dreamfall I'm fine with, but Chapters was terrible. Main reason being that they just did the same story as Dreamfall but all over again because of 'muh amnesia'. I hate that shit SO FRICKING MUCH it's unbelievable.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I loved the second one as much as the first one. April becomes a magical hobo and people never liked that, but i was ok with it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >April becomes a magical hobo and people never liked that

      That would be me, and I was very attached to the character (TLJ was my first modern adventure game). The way The longest journey ends, you get the idea that April and Crow had a lot more adventures until they got old , but once she appears in Dreamfall, you don't even get to know what she has been up to in the last 10 years other than becoming a freedom fighter. Then She gets unceremoniously stabbed at the end, which reminds me of a certain fantasy book that would come out years later

      I had too much hype for Dreamfall. I even have two copies of the game, the normal and the limited. So much regret.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Same here anon, tlj was my first pandclick game I randomly bought in some second store, i was fascinated, then hyped as frick for dreamfall trailers

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I imagine 'The Longest Journey Home' was supposed to fill the gaps of April we never got to know about, but not enough money was raised to make it unfortunately.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >What does Ganker think about the sequels?

    I loved The Longest Journey, but I fricking fricking hated Dreamfall. The trailer made it look a bit like the playtime would more or less be distributed amongst three protagonists, But the main character sucks and you barely get to play as April Ryan or Kian. It's even more of a frick you when you realize that April's polygonal model has the same level of complexity as a background NPC. Then you get to the end of her storyline and... surprise.

    I did bother with the episodic third game after this garbage..

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The norwegian guy who wrote it is one of the most insufferable nords in skyrim. He sort of ruins your memories with his much-later made sequels.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Are they worth playing?
    NO.
    Dreamfall is "merely" terrible, the and the Chapters are one of the most insane, brutal, deranged murder of an IP I've ever seen in my life.

    Some people "like" Dreamfall because it still features the setting and a lot of the characters they grew to love in TLJ, and because there still is some half-decent writing in there, albeit now in minority. But as a sequel, it is already fricking awful. Firstly - it's absolutely desperate attempt to make the game in something more "modern" (by late 2000's standards), is obviously, just frick-awful. The puzzle elements are reduced to absolute nothing, while new new systems, like stealth and combat (yeah, both are now actual major mechanics) are unsurprisingly, absolutely abysmal. That alone makes Dreamfall mechanically just an objectively terrible game.

    In terms of story and writing, it gets a bit more complicated, but I think the easiest way to is to say that tone-wise Dreamfall is to TLJ what Warrior Within was to Prince of Persia, and in terms of actual new additions to the story, they are all either retcons, objectively inferior, or an absolutely entangled mess plot-holes masquerading as cliff-hangers.
    The new protagonists are dull and barely tolerable, the complete retcon of the cyberpunk settings is beyond jarring, and the old characters mostly have been turned into edgy, whinny, unlikable parodies of themselves.
    There are still glimpses of beauty in there, but they are a rarity, but they are incredibly rare, and again, the sheer audiancity of how many plot elements are introduced with absolutely ZERO conclusion is mind-boggling. It was a desperate attempt to make the franchise relevant to console crowd by essentially rebooting it, and if failed.

    As for Chapters... I don't even want to waste my breath on that shit. It's some of the worst shit I've ever seen in this industry. I you ever loved TLJ... chapters are literally 100% purely made to spite you. Don't... don't touch them.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Very insightful but sad post. Really a shame, as TLJ was great, I thought that its story may be concluded properly. I guess I'll remove Dreamfall from my wishlist.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That's spot-on. I was thinking that maybe my hate for dreamfall was overblown, but you made me remember things I had forgotten.

      The Longest Journey is lengthy and has a ton of world building. Dreamfall feels like little more than a prologue to a game. Graphically it looks great on PC, but there's no depth. The gameplay changes made me remember another adventure IP that was very desperate to keep up with the times.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >remember another adventure IP that was very desperate to keep up with the times
        I remember playing StS3d as a kid but I got stuck pretty early. Was it so bad also?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I never got to play it, but even in the worst case scenario, it would still have a dry british humour similar to the two other games. The real problem probably game with the german (?) made sequels.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      blessed image

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Is that the old graphics adventure where the protagonist girl has a black boyfriend?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Is that the old graphics adventure where the protagonist girl has a black boyfriend?
      They never really get together. There is black guy who is her best male friend, and who is obviously desperately in love with her, and you can chose (though dialogue choices) imply that those feelings may be mutual.
      But shit starts to hit the fan before they ever get chance to actually date.
      Also, the game features I think total of like 6 gay characters, including the two ladies that own the boarding house where the MC lives, who will NOT stop talking and their love life, as well as pretty much half of it's world being one giant massive satire and criticism of capitalism.

      And you know what? None of that was a bad thing, because back then, before Tornquist lost his mind, he knew how to do all of that tastefully, without being overly preachy or annoying about it, or making it feel out of place.

      The problem really only started with the latter titles. Specifically, with the Chapters, because Dreamfall, for it's many faults, still at least had some common sense and boundaries.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Huh. The thing is, I don't even remember any of the gay stuff. Not sure if I was not paying attention to that in the early 2000s, or I completely forget once I got to Arcadia. All I remember is the shithole flatmate that sells you to the bad guys

        With TLJ, the memories that have stuck with me the most are the good times with Crow. The poor guy deserved a bit more respect.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Huh. The thing is, I don't even remember any of the gay stuff.
          I do, quite vividly, but not in a negative way. It was perfectly fitting for Stark, just like the constant jabs at capitalism were. It was a hyper-modern, cyberpunk dystopia, where the main character lived in a community of weird art students who cling together in fear that the souless cyperpunk reality will consume them.

          Of course there would be gays, and weird geeky black guys, and of bi-sexual bawds, and creeps that like to spike drinks in the bar, it's absolutely 100% fitting for the settings, and more importantly, most of those characters weren't just tokens or caricatures - they were well written, with complex and interesting personalities.
          It's the kind of shit that modern Ganker would absolutely lose it's mind over, but to me, it was just good writing, correctly acknowledging what kind of people and would inhabit such environment.

          I played the game a decade ago and don't remember most of it. I was thinking about picking it up again, what's wrong with the new titles. Did it become too preachy?

          >Did it become too preachy?
          See

          >Are they worth playing?
          NO.
          Dreamfall is "merely" terrible, the and the Chapters are one of the most insane, brutal, deranged murder of an IP I've ever seen in my life.

          Some people "like" Dreamfall because it still features the setting and a lot of the characters they grew to love in TLJ, and because there still is some half-decent writing in there, albeit now in minority. But as a sequel, it is already fricking awful. Firstly - it's absolutely desperate attempt to make the game in something more "modern" (by late 2000's standards), is obviously, just frick-awful. The puzzle elements are reduced to absolute nothing, while new new systems, like stealth and combat (yeah, both are now actual major mechanics) are unsurprisingly, absolutely abysmal. That alone makes Dreamfall mechanically just an objectively terrible game.

          In terms of story and writing, it gets a bit more complicated, but I think the easiest way to is to say that tone-wise Dreamfall is to TLJ what Warrior Within was to Prince of Persia, and in terms of actual new additions to the story, they are all either retcons, objectively inferior, or an absolutely entangled mess plot-holes masquerading as cliff-hangers.
          The new protagonists are dull and barely tolerable, the complete retcon of the cyberpunk settings is beyond jarring, and the old characters mostly have been turned into edgy, whinny, unlikable parodies of themselves.
          There are still glimpses of beauty in there, but they are a rarity, but they are incredibly rare, and again, the sheer audiancity of how many plot elements are introduced with absolutely ZERO conclusion is mind-boggling. It was a desperate attempt to make the franchise relevant to console crowd by essentially rebooting it, and if failed.

          As for Chapters... I don't even want to waste my breath on that shit. It's some of the worst shit I've ever seen in this industry. I you ever loved TLJ... chapters are literally 100% purely made to spite you. Don't... don't touch them.

          >Can someone explain what went wrong with the third one?
          Remember that massive moral panic that happened around 2013? The whole insanity around Gamer Gate and Sharkesian's shitshow and "gamers should not be your audience"?

          Well, Ragnar Tornquist, the guy who wrote all of TLJ/Dreamfall (as well as The Secret World) was always - like most snowBlack folk - very strongly left-leaning, but he used to also still very talented writer. TLJ is full of critiques of capitalism, full of gay characters and the main implied love-interest for the MC is a black guy, but nobody cared back then because honestly... they satire of capitalism was well done and funny, the gay characters were still WELL WRITTEN characters, and everything was appropriate for the setting.

          Well, Tornquist got caught in the 2013 moral panic bad. Like, REAL bad. He... he basically completely lost his mind. He isn't the only one who went mental during that era, it was quite common. The mass panic and radicalization of the political spectrum just sucked people in and made them lose track of common sense.

          So basically what happened then is that Tornquist started writing Dreamfall Chapters out of place of profound, deep SPITE. He felt like everyone who isn't radical leftist like him (which was 99% of fans of his work) are his enemies, and that games themselves are a terrible medium that has only one justifiable purpose: to preach left-wing ideology, and delibertely piss off everyone who disagree's.

          HIs own identity, and with that, the undeniable talent he had, were consumed by aggressive, spiteful political ideals.
          I am not a /misc/ tard and I try to separate authors from their works, and I don't mind works that reflect different values than mine as long as there is great craft behind them. So trust me, I take no joy in saying this.

          The guy just lost track of what matters. He focused so much on preaching and subversion, that he forgot how to make a character likable, or a story coherent.

          for detailed breakdown. Dreamfall wasn't preachy at all, but it was trash for just about every other reason: awful and failed attempt to shift from PaC to more "modern" gameplay, massive retcons, poor attempt to add gravitas by making all established characters edgy and miserable, bland and boring new characters, insane amount of retconning and being all a setup with zero pay-off.

          Dreamfall Chapters are the only ones that became preachy. But that was only the surface of the issue: besides some of the most ham-fisted, desperately in-your-face preachiness, it's straight up spiteful, actively trying to piss the old fans off - and unsurprisingly, it just ends up being bad writing in general - introducing even more retcons, nonsensical, hypocritical plotlines that go nowhere, insufferable characters, completely inconsistent world-building, dumb plot twists existing to make it clear that the writer "does not care what you think". If it was JUST preachy, I could get over it, but it's worse.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks After reading this, I will avoid Chapters. Time to read a wiki or something to see how the cliffhangers were solved.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Time to read a wiki or something to see how the cliffhangers were solved.
              I honestly just could not finish Chapters, but I think I can very safely say: they were not. Straight up, Chapters ended up with just as many shit unresolved as Dreamfall did, hell, with most of the shit introduced back in OG Dreamfall unresolved.

              Also... the retcons. I don't even think we can talk about "revolving" plotlines when like 90% of the story is just COMPLETELY retconned from game to game.
              Remember how Stark was a Fifth Element meets Brazil style cyberpunk extreme?
              Well in Dreamfall, it's not. It's now a "near future" type settings where things like simple robot toys are peak of technology, just barely introduced.
              Oh - wait, it's totally a hyper dark noir-cyberpunk again in Chapters.
              These games take place like 10 years and 1 year apart, for the record.
              Oh yeah, and remember that really charming ending of TLJ, where it's explicitly stated that the old lady telling the story is April, and the game teases sequel by Crow talking about how many more adventures they had together?

              Yeah, Chapters start with April being killed off. At the age of like 24. She's dead, burned to crisp, frick you, frick TLJ, frick continuity, frick anyone who liked the old games, now get ready to listen for 3 hours how muslim imigrants are great and how racism is a big issue we all need to fight against... in this fricking Fifth Element style cyberpunk setting, that also stopped being over-the-top cyberpunk, but now is one again, because something something "collapse".

              So given that approach to consistency in storytelling... can we talk about "solving" of anything?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Chapters start with April being killed off. At the age of like 24. She's dead, burned to crisp, frick you, frick TLJ, frick continuity, frick anyone who liked the old games, now get ready to listen for 3 hours how muslim imigrants are great and how racism is a big issue we all need to fight against
                What the actual frick, this is some Suicide Squad horseshit.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >What the actual frick, this is some Suicide Squad horseshit.
                It is. The first time I saw the intro of the first chapter, which literally is just April's burial, I though it was a joke, or a cheap setup for a "gotcha! - you thought she is dead, but she isn't!" moment, I genuinely could not process that the game is being serious, and that yes, April is dead, and will have no further role in the story.
                It's literally just a middle finger to the fans. As I said, the core issue is: Tornquist wrote Chapters from a place of actual SPITE. He was angry, incredibly angry, and wanted everyone around him know how much he hates the world, and his fans, and the whole industry.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >cheap setup for a "gotcha! - you thought she is dead, but she isn't!" moment
                That's what I was going to ask too - does April appear in flashback or something? But I guess not.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >does April appear in flashback or something?
                She does not appear as far as I have played. For hopefully self-evident reasons, I did not finish Chapters, though I did google things and asked few people who suffered through it, and they all confirmed that yes, April is dead and she does not play any further role in the story what so ever. Apparently, she appears in Kian's dream at one point, telling him that her death was a good thing.
                Narratively speaking, she is just replaced by a different character, called Saga. Who would eventually become Lady Alvane, the narrator from the first game.
                Saga has absolutely no purpose to exist, other than to be even less likeable version of NuApril, with great emphasis being placed on her being edgy and a complete bawd.
                Otherwise, she is nu-April, - literally, she was supposed to be April, killing April off was a last-minute decision, Saga was supposed to be a heroine of a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT story set another 100 years after Chapters: she is just forced into the story because Tornquist literally wanted to demonstrate his power over the narrative, and his disregard for what the fans wanted.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                How embarrassing...

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It is. And what makes me pissed even more about it is the fact that I loved Tornquist, I considered him second to people like Avellone or Mitsoda, just one step behind genuine geniuses like Dybowsky.

                You had no idea how excited I was when they first announced Dreamfall. And even though I did not enjoy Dreamfall, I was still deeply invested in the settings and believed that Tornquist can create fascinating fiction. How disappointed I was when I learned that instead of a new TLJ game, Tornquist will focus on Secret World. I still played a lot of Secret World when it went FTP because I still enjoyed Tornquists writing, enough for me to suffer through a terrible MMORPG for a while.

                And I say all of this as someone who always was on the exact opposite of political spectrum.

                To see him fall from grace this badly, to see Chapters to be such a pile of MISERABLE shit, was genuinely completely heartbreaking. And a terrifying cautionary tale of how ideology - any political belief, regardless of side, grown too invasive - can literally mind-break people, and how even tremendously talented people, when they lose sight of what really matters, can become despicable wretches.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Mitsoda
                >Dybowsky
                Had to check who they are. I guess I'll play VTMB or something instead of Dreamfall as I have it on my to-play-list.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Had to check who they are. I guess I'll play VTMB or something instead of Dreamfall as I have it on my to-play-list.
                Dybowsky and his IPL are a very obscure studio, though to me, they made the best games ever created. But they are so niche and so ineaccesible and fully understand why most people don't even know they exist.
                Brian Mitsoda's fame was obscured by the name of the brands he worked under: Troika and Obsidian. Which themselves wer more associated with Avellone, Mortimer and later Sawyer. But Mitsoda was the brain behind VTM:B, Alpha Protocol's dialogues, and much of Never Winter Nights 2, so he was an integral part of the old Troika/Obsidian golden era.

                I think I stopped playing adventure games after a streak experiences ranging from Ok to not so great. Still Life, Secret Files Tunguska, Nibiru (Whatever you do, don't play this last one)... But few things have gotten to the level of TLJ and Syberia, IMHO.

                Have to second Still Life, I almost forgot about that game, but it was really good. Basically like Heavy Rain if Heavy Rain wasn't trash.

                A also was reminded of something called The Black Mirror, a 2003 point-and-click which had some really neat if really cheezy atmosphere. Czechs used to make ton's of point-and-clicks, and some of them were even decent (like In the Shadow of Raven).
                But yeah, TLJ and Syberia in my eyes stand heads apart. I'm not a big fan of point-and-clicks, they really have to have good atmosphere to draw me in, and I don't think any other grabbed me as much as those two.

                I was reminded of Syberia somewhat when I played IPL's Know By Heart for some reason. It's not really technically similar, Know By Heart is not a point and click, it's a simple virtual narrative experience, more akin to a walking sim than anything, and it's set in very real settings, not fantastical one: But it has the same strange nostalgic weight and tone.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Dybowsky and his IPL are a very obscure studio, though to me, they made the best games ever created. But they are so niche and so ineaccesible and fully understand why most people don't even know they exist.
                I didn't know the name but I am aware of Pathologic. It looks like a fascinating game but also very frustrating. Hbomberguy's video about it was enough for me, lol.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I didn't know the name but I am aware of Pathologic. It looks like a fascinating game but also very frustrating.
                Yeah. I consider Pathologic 1 the most fascinating game I've ever played, and Pathologic 2 arguably the best game I've ever played, plus they also made The Void (which is fascinating, though even more "hardcore" than Pathologic's), Knock-Knock (which I never finished because that game is a psy-op that is designed to mess with you, and it caused nightmares and anxiety attacks in my case, so I dropped it), and recently also Know By Heart, which is an unusually tame game for the studio, a small passion project of one of the developers, basically a virtual, slightly interactive nostalgic trip to his youth, but it is definitely charming.

                I'd say at least Pathologic 2 is worth a try, even to people who think it's too intimidating/frustrating. It's most mechanically fleshed out and most accessible, and while it cruel and depressing, it's still playable for most people.

                Just make sure to pirate or buy at sale or something, because it is... an IPL game, it's just by default not for everyone.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >even more "hardcore" than Pathologic
                What do you mean?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Just make sure to pirate

                That makes me think that I really should buy Syberia. I'm not supposed to be an unemployed penyless teen anymore.

                Damn, almost 20 years since I played it, and it never left my memory. HG101 is a good site for finding lesser known adventure games.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I should have placed Still life in "Very good" rather than ok. I forgot about it quickly, but it was great with the looks and atmosphere of the city (was it Prague?)

                Nibiru unfortunately, I remember it more for how terrible it was. You visit old WWII german bunkers and they are cool scenarios, but the rest of the game is awful and uninspired, with the final puzzle being a blind slider puzzle that is impossible to solve without a guide. If you fail once, it is randomised and... Well, let's hope you saved before.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >was it Prague?
                Yeah. The irony of Prague also being the location you explore in Dreamfall Chapter's Stark is very strong there.

                >even more "hardcore" than Pathologic
                What do you mean?

                >What do you mean?
                IPL games have a habit of being hard and intentionally frustrating, because they believe that story should be primarily told by gameplay, and gameplay needs to have stakes. And since their stories are mostly dark and depressing, the gameplay being difficult, punishing and at times frustrating, is integral.

                However, The Void is by far THE hardest and most frustrating game they made. It's genuinely, intentionally absurdly antagonizing, it's a game designed to make you quit, several times, often 5+ hours into a playthrough, it's designed to make you feel utterly and completely hopeless and it mechanically forces that feeling on you.

                It has a point, it's not just pretentious imagery and difficulty for the sake of difficulty, but my god it pushes way too hard. I'm happy that I finished it and "figured it out", but I don't understand where I got the patience for it.

                TLDR: It's difficult, it's cryptic, it's extremely hard, it's weird and borderline nonsensical, and it's absurdly punishing.
                On the flip side: breasts. A lot of nudity, in general, tons and tons of female nudity.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >TLDR: It's difficult, it's cryptic, it's extremely hard, it's weird and borderline nonsensical, and it's absurdly punishing.
                Interesting. I only heard it's an "art game" and watched some videos but they didn't really tell me what this game is about.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                And I thought Marvel comics were bad every time they make changes and do the most embarrassing retcon to justify themand have to bullshit. I just read about saga being April's reincarnation, but even if it was an attempt to "undo" a bad decision, this is not fricking Doctor Who.

                There should be a thread about adventure games here or on /vr/. I really need something good right now.

                I literally got told that i was banned in 2021 while posting this. I hate dynamic mobile IPs

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I really need something good right now.
                I honestly don't play that many point-and-clicks, but if you haven't played them: I strongly recommend Syberia 1 and 2. I've heard the franchise also ended up absolutely tragically, but the first two games are very good, very similar to TLJ, arguably less well written, but they make up for it with some of the absolutely most fricking BEAUTIFUL environments I've ever seen in a game. It's one of those games where basically every screen and locations burn into your memory, and has this absolutely beautiful, melancholic air around it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Played them years ago (the starting funeral FMV is beautiful), although same as TLJ and Dreamfail, the way a certain train machinist gets treated at the end of II soured me to the point that I started wondering if this a fricking trend with european adventure games. Then, The Whispered World happened. It's gotten to the point where I don't trust these games anymore.

                All I have pending at the moment is the Deponia trilogy, but the puzzles in those games make me feel like an idiot.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I can recommend the Whispered World, The Night is Grey and Primorda.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Adding the last two ones to the list, thanks.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I think I stopped playing adventure games after a streak experiences ranging from Ok to not so great. Still Life, Secret Files Tunguska, Nibiru (Whatever you do, don't play this last one)... But few things have gotten to the level of TLJ and Syberia, IMHO.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Syberia
                I heard a lot of good things about it but never played it. Is it really that good?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I might be a lone voice here, but I tried Syberia a while ago, trying to recapture the TLJ feel and it didn't really do it for me

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >and it didn't really do it for me
                I always though that what Syberia was missing, was more vocal protagonist. In TLJ, April commented on everything and it added a lot to her character, and a lot of depth to the world.
                In Syberia, Kate just stays silent a lot of the time, and it makes the experience feel weirdly desolate at times for it. I think Kate is ultimately a decent character, but the game gives you a lot less space to grow invested.

                With that said, I'm an obsessive fan of Art Nouveau, Magical Realism and old clockwork machines, so the game had me sold since the first second just on those aesthetical tropes.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It is. Those two games play like a single game split in two episodes. I remember 1 being better overall, but 2 got better with the pre-rendered backgrounds, specially in the post-soviet locations.

                I remember having to play them stretched because they are 800x600 and I had a 5:4 1280x1024 screen with no aspect ratio management (it was the 2000s), so they may be worth a replay with RTX integer scaling.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I heard a lot of good things about it but never played it.
                I only played the first two, and I got super lucky twice, accidentally solving two of the game's most infamously terrible puzzles on first try, plus I am specifically biased towards the settings of the game, but...
                Yeah, I'd say they are fine. Certainly very atmospheric, downright beautiful. The story in nowhere near as complex and interesting as in TLJ, it's all a lot more low-key, but I do enjoy it for it. Enough to replay them regularly every few years, just for the mood.

                I've heard nothing but bad things about Syberia 3 and onwards, hell, even 2 was already noticeably weaker than the first game, so I never continued with the franchise.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I'm playing Whispered World and frankly this shit is boring. I don't see how they earned those awards with this game at all. Play book of unwritten tales or discworld instead if you want point and click fantasy. Or go old school and dig up simon the sorcerer. (I heard 3 and 4 were dogshit though, not sure how 5 was)

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Well in Dreamfall, it's not. It's now a "near future" type settings where things like simple robot toys are peak of technology, just barely introduced.

                The town would work if Stark was something like Final Fantasy VII. Midgard is a dystopia with multiple levels, but once you go out, most towns and cities don't look that advanced. But I don't remember if it is just a different country, or the entire technology level is retconned.

                >She's dead, burned to crisp, frick you, frick TLJ
                And here I was thinking they would do a "Jon Snow".

                >now get ready to listen for 3 hours how muslim imigrants are great and
                I was already getting that vibe in Dreamfall.

                >So given that approach to consistency in storytelling... can we talk about "solving" of anything?
                My doubts and uncertainty is the only thing solved here. I'm this fricking tempted to grab that Dreamfall LE artbook from the shelf and use it as toilet paper. Man, I'm fricking pissed.

                This is the point when fans decide to do their own fan sequel to TLJ. Just that TLJ had a more or less satisfying ending that did not require a sequel.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >But I don't remember if it is just a different country, or the entire technology level is retconned.
                It's both. Chapters take place in "Prague", which is a district of a megalopolis covering most of northern and central Europe - where as TLJ took place in Newport, a East Coast America located megalopolis.
                Dreamfall takes place all over the place, starts in Casablanka, then visits Japan, and even Newport.

                However, the technology is completely retconned between each title. Between TLJ and Dreamfall, there is a canonic event called "collapse", which is absolutely not explained, though it's hinted that it may have been caused by Arkadia and Stark colliding temporarily. Anyway, the Collapse caused the technology to revert to near current-day level. The game conveniently says nobody knows what happened, because even people's memories were altered and wiped during the process.

                Then in Chapters, everything is back to TLJ levels despite taking place exactly 12 months after Dreamfall, basically, and this time, they don't even bother explaining it.

                >I was already getting that vibe in Dreamfall.
                I though Azardi were actually a neat concept, an interesting play on the Arabian culture stereotypes. Especially considering that Azardi may well be the villains in Dreamfall, they are the evil, collonial empire forcing their "advanced culture" on everyone else.
                In Chapters, it's different, it's not some fantasy arabia-inspired steampunk civilization. It's absolutely 100% set in our world, in central-north Europe, it specifically speaks about middle eastern immigrants and how amazing they are. It even has the gall of talking about "value of local cultures" - while preaching message of pro-muslim immigration... while being set in PRAGUE, and the only two references to Czech culture is a czech-named girl who is a violent, rabid Marxist, and a trash-can speaking in early 2000's google-translate version of Czech. I wish I was making this shit up.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I played the game a decade ago and don't remember most of it. I was thinking about picking it up again, what's wrong with the new titles. Did it become too preachy?

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    dreamfall is good, do not play the third one

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Dreamfall had potential to be good. They basically had a solid act 1that lasted 90% of the run time, and quickly threw shit together to call it an end.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Oh yeah the ending sucks. The game is good doe, the humor is very similar to the first one.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          > the humor is very similar to the first one

          Not sure if in Dreamfall I got to frick somebody's life over and over as I did to the police inspector in TLJ. That was some fricked up comedy. The voice actor for the ES dub was really motivated with the toilet scene.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Play Dreamfall when it comes out
      >I'm in my last year of high school, life is good for me.
      >Can't relate to Zoe's struggles with depression at all.
      >Merely a year later the longest depression of my life begins.
      >Replay Dreamfall and it hits me like a ton of bricks.
      Frick man, Dreamfall was so much more poingiant than I realized when I first played it.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    hows the third game?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It fell kind of flat for me.
      Zoe has amneia so they basically just redo the same story as Dreamfall for a second time which is quite boring. And the ending falls flat on every level. Some of the characters are great though, like Enu. It's also one of the rare instances where I like the new voice actor for a character that replaced the old one (Zoe). The puzzles are pretty simple and mindless. It sort of goes semi open world for no real benefit. They should have just focused on content rather than chasing the open world trend or w/e.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    never played the sequel but always felt intrigued by the cover.
    I heard that the third game is pretty bad however

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >never played the sequel but always felt intrigued by the cover.
      Don't get the cover fool you. It's already pretty dishonest, as it implies there will be three main characters this time around (Zoe, that is the new girl, that Altair-looking motherfricker, and of course, new-and-improved, Edgy April).

      And that is already a lie. You play as Zoe only, and while pretty, she is as fricking dull as dishwater. April and the Not!Altair only become player-controlled for like 10 minutes each, it's a joke. At least the Not!Altair guy is somewhat interesting, but Edgy April is just insufferable, a textbook example of how to gut any charm from a character.

      Dreamfall is kino. 3rd game is pretty good but not as much

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      I will give Dreamfall credit for one thing, and one thing only.
      It did very good job of translating the old, beautiful pre-rendered environments, into fully 3D space. Marcuria blew my mind when I first placed Dreamfall, it genuinely looks as beautiful and charming as it did in TLJ, and considering how NOTORIOUSLY hard it is to translate beautiful 2D art style into 3D modeled one, that is an achievement worth acknowledging.
      Shame about literally everything else though.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    it really is sad that creative worlds stopped being a thing in video games after the PS2 area. Stuff like this is why I loved gaming in the fist place.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Dreamfall is kino. 3rd game is pretty good but not as much

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  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    dreamfall was weird, janky, unsubstantial and sorely lacking in the puzzle department.
    the setting feels off, like it's not quite TLJ anymore but a fanfic of itself, and the story leaves you on a cliffhanger when it's barely even begun
    it was nice revisiting old TLJ characters and seeing what's become of them, like the calculator wizard ...but that's about it

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I havent touched Chapters yet, just wanted to say this thread reminded me of how fricking good and cozy the ending to TLJ was.

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    TLJ was my first point and click game I've played, I wish I could remove the memories of the game just to experience it all over frick the underwater stone puzzle though, I loathe that part

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Series got hijacked by libtards.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Series got hijacked by libtards.
      The series was made by an absolute libtard. Again, Ragnar's extremely left-leaning bias was always there, at the root of original TLJ.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        There's a big difference between Left-Wing and libtard. I remember when Chapters came out, it was a heightened period of agitation for everyone politically. That's what I mean.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >There's a big difference between Left-Wing and libtard.
          We are talking still about one guy, and while he became extremely rabid during the same era Chapters were being made, his political views were still the same, it's just the intensity with which he wanted to express them changed.

          But you are right that chapters is what it is due to political events taking place at the time when it was being made.
          Tornquist wasn't the only one who went mad at the time. Remember Harvey's meltdown? The whole fricking story behind Subnautica and it's expansion?
          Talented people were getting caught in that shitstorm left and right (figuratively and literally), everyone was acting like a moron, and a lot of creative works suffered for it.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer Dreamfall over TLJ, at least story-wise. So unlike most fans I wanted a sequel to Dreamfall...until I got it. I couldn't even get through the first episode of Chapters. I forced myself to finish it and thought: "No way this can get any worse, right?" Then episode 2 introduced that oh so quirky rebel girl and I never clicked uninstall so fast in my life.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >I prefer Dreamfall over TLJ, at least story-wise.
      I am no sure how that is possible, because I don't think there really is a story in Dreamfall.
      There is a lot of things happening, but not what I would call a story. A story needs to have a coherent progression with a beggining and an end, while Dreamfall keeps vomiting random new shit at you every five minutes, none o which leads or builds up to any form of conclusion at all.

      I can see how Dreamfall could have been an interesting (if bloated, and absolutely a lot less charming than TLJ was) first chapter of some actual story, but as we all know, that never happened, and I don't think it was ever even planned. Looking back at it, I'm 100% sure Tornquist had no clue where Dreamfall was going even back when he wrote it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not even sure what's the point of introducing woke into point and click like this when only boomers play it. Woke identify the most with zoomers who aren't going to play this game.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Tornquist just wasn't thinking straight when he made that game. And if this:

        [...]
        Oh, and pic rel is his newest project

        is indicative of his current work, I don't think he recovered either.

        >TLDR: It's difficult, it's cryptic, it's extremely hard, it's weird and borderline nonsensical, and it's absurdly punishing.
        Interesting. I only heard it's an "art game" and watched some videos but they didn't really tell me what this game is about.

        >I only heard it's an "art game" and watched some videos but they didn't really tell me what this game is about.
        Yeah. The whole game is "super artsy", but at it's core, it's essentially one giant puzzle. To figure out what the frick is it about, is the challenge, because at first glance it looks like just a giant pile of seemingly nonsensical surrealistic imagery, for some reason accompanied by absurdly punishing gameplay mechanics that are on their own, unique and hard to describe, though the closest similarity it has is to the modern survival genre (just as Pathologic games do). Meaning at core, it's all about resource and time management, with some basic combat and RPG-light mechanics. It has quite a lot of mechanical depth to it, though I'd be dishonest if I ignored how janky and awkward it also often is.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >TLJ thread
    >More than 10 posts
    What the frick

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I should be watching Eurovision to see if somebody gets punched tonight, but a Longest Journey thread? Frick tv.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Chapters has forced gay MC who declared his homosexuality for no reason in the land of furry, just think I should drop this warning around here.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I also loved TLJ. Played Dreamfall back in the day and thought it was a totally unfinished, incomprehensible mess, barely felt connected to TLJ in any real way. Chapters was I think one of the few times I felt unambiguously spited as an audience member, I thoroughly regret giving it any money. That one half-second shot of the guy manhandling someone, from an over the shoulder perspective with his arms wobbling about (I think it's in the first trailer if you can be bothered looking it up), still lives rent free in my head as a comical example of the incompetence of their animation and general technical ability with the game too.
    Why did it have to be this way

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I played through Dreamfall: The Longest Journey and only started the prequel and the episodic sequel.

    I liked Dreamfall but Ragnar Tørnquist's writing is some self-insistent goggeldy asiatic. He has great prose and complete shit taste in tropes and storyline. I could barely understand what the frick they were even talking about sometimes. "She put him in The Dreamer". The whole concept about selling dream-machines that will put people in a dream-coma and live inside a literal world of dreams but it's actually real is a kind of fiction I just can't accept, but in execution it also seems so all over the place.

    What I liked is the characterization of certain people, the voice acting (but not that welsh Ragnar Tørnquist self-insert who pouts about being a "Guy in his late 30s who hasn't figured out his life" it's like, I get it, that's you, you stupid game dev)

    I can recommend it to anyone curious but I'd never recommend it to someone who doesn't know it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Dreamfall doesn't even remotely hold a candle to TLJ

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It's in my GOG library. I also overall liked Dreamfall, so I know I'll love TLJ.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Not him but, I played Dreamfall before TLJ too, and seeing the origin for some of the locations in Dreamfall was pretty great. Also it gave me a much better appreciation for April and she's actually quite likeable in TLJ compared to Dreamfall. Crow is still amazing too.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, April and Crow in TLJ are just fun. They are a joyful characters, despite the fact that the story can get pretty damn dark at places.
            I hated how they turned April into a generic edgy jaded warrior, and Crow into a bitter, endlessly whinny b***h. And it didn't help that Zoe was boring and Kian... I can't even tell you if Kian is good or bad as a character because he has so little presence you just don't get to learn anything about him.

            As a side-note, I found it absolutely fricking hilarious that they killed April in Chapters, only to turn Zoe INTO April (literally, Zoe's personality in Chapters, is April from TLJ) while also introducing Saga, who is again just April but Dreamfall April.

            I get that people were very vocal about their dislike of Zoe in Dreamfall, and that Tornquist decided to go back to a voice he was comfortable with and that people enjoyed, but FRICK ME, this is pathetic.

            Just don't fricking kill April (she wasn't supposed to die anyway, you fricking WROTE HER AS THE NARRATOR OF THE FIRST GAME YOU MORON!) and give her back her TLJ voice and everyone would be fricking happy!
            People would be fine with Zoe still being bland if old April was around to lighten up the mood.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I think Kian could have been more satisfying as a character if they were able to flesh out his Akavir life a bit to help give more context and emphasis on his struggle with the beliefs he held for so long that were shaken and eventually broken and changed. We spent so little time with Kian that when he talked to April for like... five minutes, his sudden questioning of his beliefs felt very jarring. There could have been some very interesting dialogue between Kian and April over a longer period and then they killed off April too.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Akavir
                Wrong game series anon

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Eh, Azadi. W/e

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Would you a dragon?

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Is this thread just a single guy talking to himself?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      yes, all me btw

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