what's the problem? don't you understand how inflation works? you should be angry at whoever's inflating the money supply, not at a game developer (or anyone else trying to sell something in this fucked up economy)
Don't know who told you that but reality says otherwise. If you buy them in the inflated currency yes it does. Inflation is an increase in money supply not the cost of individual goods.
It's a 7 year old game. You might have just woken up from a coma but the rest of us havent. Plus it's a DIGITAL game. There is no manufacturing left in order to adjust for the cost of production.
Everything is a conspiracy if you're retarded.
the product is already made and it does not produce any extra costs.
just a garden gnome trying to wring more money out of people who actually suffer from inflation.
If you want more money, make more games.
Wow a lot of people in this thread who don't understand basic economics at all. I'll give you a hint: the price of a video game bears no relation to the cost to develop it. If this scares and confuses you, try reading a book sometime
It's a 7 year old game. You might have just woken up from a coma but the rest of us havent. Plus it's a DIGITAL game. There is no manufacturing left in order to adjust for the cost of production.
>muh digital goods
updates require money and that money's now worth less
stop being greedy little garden gnomes then claiming it's everyone else
If they want me to fund their development they should find a business model that has me directly fund their development instead of selling copies.
I'd like to pay for their labour, not a copy of the easily reproducible product of it.
Great. You have planted the seed now. Every single fucking game will be a sub service or free 2 play but require 350 bux of DLC to run
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Every single fucking game will be a sub service or free 2 play but require 350 bux of DLC to run
They're called battle passes.
Fucking garden gnomes will never put the game on discount, but will do shit like this.
good, just lower the price of the game when it gets old
on steam anything made before 2016 is a ripoff because it goes on 80% discount twice per year and at that point you're just getting ripped off if you buy it at the "normal" price and they should really just lower the regular price instead
You might actually be retarded.
No, I'd prefer something like crowdfunding with the final product being freely available instead of the gnomish scheme crowdfunding actually is currently.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'd prefer something like crowdfunding with the final product being freely available
that's because you want to let everyone else fund it, claim you can't risk your money on it being shit, then you get a free game in the end
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have given money to free games several times already. I bet you haven't. Sounds like projection.
It's a 7 year old game. You might have just woken up from a coma but the rest of us havent. Plus it's a DIGITAL game. There is no manufacturing left in order to adjust for the cost of production.
the manufacturing cost is the steam cut technically
and they're like a 5+ dev team in a first world country iirc. Its not a "lot" of money if you have lots of employees
the product is already made and it does not produce any extra costs.
just a garden gnome trying to wring more money out of people who actually suffer from inflation.
If you want more money, make more games.
It does work to some extend. US can afford it, because dollar is the global currency, and they aren't giving it to everyone, only the select few corporations, so their whole scheme is sustainable until the rest of the retards realizes what the government is doing.
I think they went too far during covid tho
Games going up in cost after coming out of early access in one thing, even if that's still shitty.
Games going up in price, years after release, because of "inflation" is another thing entirely. Especially for a fucking digital game.
You don't mind sending me 50 bucks do you, anon? Well, of course I won't give you anything in return, I just want it. What are you, too poor to give your money away for no reason? Maybe you should get a job.
It's not that I can't send you money: I could, and I wouldn't even notice the money missing from my bank account. It's that I won't, because you're a gay.
Then don't buy it. Or get a job so that 5 dollars doesn't ruin you financially.
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The cost of running servers and paying teams to manage and run the games, as well as the cost to host the game on storefronts.
They don't have to run any servers, it's not an online game. The cost of distribution doesn't suffer inflation as it's a flat percentage of sales revenue.
Why are you suddenly getting mad? This isn't even the first time they've done this. Yeah, it's gay as fuck, but one would expect you'd have stopped thinking about the game years ago after the first price hike. I certainly did.
Hey, those CDs and garden gnomeel cases don't just appear out of thin air. Don't forget all the fuel used to power the delivery trucks. It's not like we live in a world where you can instataneously duplicate a digital file and deliver it once, 7 years ago, to Valve's servers.
nooooooo i want this game im not going to buy to cost a very specific price no no no no i get to set the price i get to set the price fuck them no no no no reeeeeeeeeee
Now I get it. There has been nonstop threads about this and it's probably people mad about this. That's hilarious. The steam reviews have hundreds of hours kek
Still find it hilarious how willing lefties are willing to kill their own, or anyone who refuses to apologise for something they have nothing to do with.
When you filter it down to the facts. Factorio dev shared some thoughts he agreed with. Says you should seperate art/subject from the individual, and for people to mind their own business. And lefties fucking imploded.
Then like clockwork, according to the steam brigading he was a "racist bigot" for saying fuck off
Capcom AAA games typically lower in price naturally as time goes on, such as RE8 being $40 default now and currently on sale for $20. What is special about factorio that it's increasing its price when larger companies are lowering theirs? The "thousands of hours value" hasn't seen other similar types of games increasing their prices either
Explain how this negatively affects you personally. If so, how much would you be willing to pay for a game that had thousands of hours of dev time and won multiple awards?
This to be honest.
I don't care if the game went to 35, I'm more afraid that other garden gnomes will now go "OOOH Y-YES RIGHT INFLATION SORRY GOTTA MAKE YOU PAY MORE NOW!"
It's not bad because the act itself is bad, it's bad because others will abuse it and the common NPC will accept it since if everyone does it then it is okay
microsoft has now adopted it
nintendo is adopting it
$70 for new games is the new standard
but if would royally suck if nintendo decides that mario kart 8 deluxe should be sold for $70 from now on
>never puts the game on sale >increases cost as the game gets more substantial or economy is fucked
yeah sounds like all the old customers are getting the best deal here, what's the problem?
Games with "thousands of hours of dev time and multiple awards" are a dime a dozen nowadays. Those are bad metrics to ascertain value by. I mean, Avengers won a bunch of awards and probably had hundreds of thousands if not millions of hours of dev time and we're currently spitting on its corpse.
It literally *is* a premium product. Factorio is still receiving updates that expand modding capabilities; that fix bugs; that improve performance; etc. The reason Factorio is rightfully affected by inflation is that there are still ongoing development costs and e.g. salaries being paid, attached to the game. It's not triple-A trash that was cut loose and sent drifting after its two-week launch window by an irresponsible publisher with total lack of aftersales care, like EA or SquareEnix.
I wish, Gabe will return you as much as you paid, not more and like banks, Gabe think that 1$ is 1$, you won't convince him that due to inflation older 1$ cost more than today 1$ so he should pay you more. Only dumbest goys fall for inflation meme.
>sell game for $10 at 1:1 ratio >inflation happens >10 dollars isn't worth what 10 dollars was on release >adjust price to account for discrepancy >"HURR DURR HOW DARE YOU GAYMERS RISE UP DURR"
>Muh "My bux don't go as far now" hikes are pure slumlord tier tactics.
but it's literally true. If you don't adjust for inflation you're losing money. Why do you think your salary goes up every year even if you don't get promoted? It's to adjust for inflation
My salary DOESN'T go up every year. Hence all the fags like me crying about garden gnomes hiking prices for inflation.
Real wages have been stagnant for nearly 20 years because wage rises aren't in line with inflatioan.
Anyway - that's not the point. They aren't losing money. The game launched 7 years ago. This is like a prostitute arbitrarily raising costs of handjobs because she thinks she's leaving money on the table by not asking for more.
I will simply dip my hand in ice cold water so it goes completely numb, put on nail polish and jerk myself. garden gnome.
Imagine being such a shitty professional you don't get annual raises.
Ah shit I forgot you're not a professional and just a burger flipper waiting to be automated
>They aren't losing money. The game launched 7 years ago.
do you know what the yearly rate of inflation is anon? At least in the US, it's around 5-7%. EVERY YEAR. The amount they charged 7 years ago LITERALLY DOESN'T GO AS FAR as it did back then.
This whole thread and the lack of understanding around basic economics is seriously distressing
What difference does the yearly rate of inflation make? The game was already made, tard.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the price of a shirt or furniture increases every year due to inflation too. They're "already made", so what's the problem? They should charge the same price for it in perpetuity right? Of course fucking not, you're just baiting at this point
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
no, you retard, last seasons clothing is always on discount or dumped at outlet stores
it never goes up in price until it becomes "retro" or "vintage" decades later
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You buy clothes that were made eight years ago? Holy fuck that's embarrassing.
curious how you gloss over the furniture analogy
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You buy clothes that were made eight years ago? Holy fuck that's embarrassing.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
no, you retard, last seasons clothing is always on discount or dumped at outlet stores
it never goes up in price until it becomes "retro" or "vintage" decades later
Clothes literally rot. Digital games need to be constantly patched for updated hardware, servers need to be paid for to allow the game to be downloaded, fees are paid to store fronts like Steam, and the energy costs for running their servers. That doesn't include all the bureaucratic systems they have to pay for, like accountants, lawyers on retainer, etc.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They could just make the game free and let the community handle all of that. They chose those costs.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, let the community pay their bills. Makes total sense.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>servers
what servers? it is a singleplayer management sim with a tacked on multiplayer mode that can easily function using p2p multiplayer
why would they have servers for this? steam is already taking care of the games availability for download
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Steam servers, retarded underageb&
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
is included in the 30% steam cut yet the argument implies that there are server related costs besides the 30% steam cut
gay
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>is included in the 30% steam cut
Which now went up, since the price increased. Retard
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
CDN for mods that uses a TB of bandwidth per month.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have old clothes that are worth more than most peoples car.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
nobody will buy your "old" clothes
you are living in a bubble of volatile investiments
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You dont know what you are talking about.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
pls make sure to buy those latest sneakers for $2000
you will surely offload your pyramid scheme stock very soon
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yep you're an ignorant gay
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
from a Ganker Gankerggot like you, i take that as a compliment
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
never been there. You obviously know nothing about what your shitting out of your cunt.
Why do you like to give an opinion on what you are obviously ignorant of?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nope. 7 year old shirts or furniture are cheaper now then when they were made. Idiot.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Holy shit you are retarded
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The claim was "they aren't losing money" which is objectively false, if you put any amount of currency in your pocket 7 years ago and take it out today it's worth considerably less denominated in value rather than in that currency.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
How can you lose money you don't have. If I don't get a raise when I ask for it, did my boss just rob me? Retard.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If I don't get a raise when I ask for it, did my boss just rob me?
Yes.
By that logic, rereleases of games made in the 90s should cost over $100 to account for inflation.
Daggerfall should cost at least $110 instead of being free to play.
They covered development cost long ago, the money they spent to develop the game doesn't take into account inflation 6 years later, so the price shouldn't either.
It's the only game so far that had its retail price increased over the years.
And yes zoomers are getting garden gnomeed beyond belief. PC games used to cost about $40-50 in the 90s, and development was far, far less expensive and lengthy. Gaming never tried to adjust itself for inflation until this year, despite longer development cycles and tons of money spent on making games.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>By that logic, rereleases of games made in the 90s should cost over $100 to account for inflation. >Daggerfall should cost at least $110 instead of being free to play.
yes, it should. And if they could get away with it, you can bet your sweet perky ass they would
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
no they couldn't. Do you think this is all just guess work or something? These triple A publishers hire teams of analysts going through sales data to determine exactly with how much they can get away with. The box price, the deluxe edition price, the date when the game will go on a sale and the percentage, they got that shit down to a science and the Factorio dev is an autistic idiot who has absolutely no clue about any of this so he is leaving millions of $ on the table, ironically due to his own greed in an attempt to make more money.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>if they could get away with it
They could. People keep showing this tweet but all fail to show the comments below.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
this. In reality the factorio guy is being extremely conservative with his price increase
You're bitching about people sucking at math and your own image is a self own. Even at 5% annual inflation over 6 years with compounding interest would be 30+% 5-7% inflation is a new phenomenon zoomer. Inflation used to be 2-4% and even that was enough money printing to destroy the system. I'll let you guess what 5-7% means. Not that a retard like you would ever understand.
Maybe if it cost them money to keep producing fresh copies of the game it would gel, but that's not the case. The game has been made, it's done, and costs no one a thing to replicate infinitely.
And again, virtually no other indie dev feels the need to do this. Why is he special?
>Maybe if it cost them money to keep producing fresh copies of the game it would gel, but that's not the case. The game has been made, it's done, and costs no one a thing to replicate infinitely.
his game doesn't exist in a vacuum dipshit. 30 dollars doesn't go as far today as it did 7 years ago, that's an objective fact. The fact that you're too dumb or naive to realize that speaks volumes.
>virtually no other indie dev feels the need to do this. Why is he special?
...because he can? If any other indie game were in the position he is (i.e. made a good game that people actually want to play) then they would do it too. Not only because it makes financial sense, but because it makes common sense.
>30 dollars doesn't go as far today as it did 7 years ago, that's an objective fact.
I don't give a fuck. The game didn't get 5$ more valuable. You want to keep making money, make a new fucking product.
>The game didn't get 5$ more valuable
if you believe that, then it sure as hell didn't get less valuable either. Which it would've been if they didn't increase the cost and kept it at 30 dollars. Due to the rate of inflation, the "value" of the game has been steadily decreasing YoY
>...because he can? If any other indie game were in the position he is (i.e. made a good game that people actually want to play) then they would do it too
no they wouldn't you idiot. Factorio isn't even that successful compared to stuff like Stardew Valley, Hollow Knight, Valheim etc. This developer is just a combination of extremely greedy and very stupid because he doesn't understand how demand works. After 2-3 years, the vast majority of people who were going to buy your game at full price have already done so. The only way to expand your audience after that point is to reduce the price and / or put your game on sales.
not really. They likely would have sold ten times that amount if they had put the game on sales. You really think EVERY developer is wrong and this autistic fuck is the only person in history of the free market who has figured out the secret to maximizing your revenue?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> You really think EVERY developer is wrong
He charges premium because the market he cutters to is willing to pay premium. It's not Terraria, it's autism simulator.
>he game has been made, it's done,
It's still being actively maintained. The game is feature-complete. But the game is not done. Devs are still expanding on modability; are still improving performance; and are still applying more bugfixes.
bro if you want the game you probably already have it how does this affect you? Still half the price of a PS5 game. It ain't exactly locked down with DRM either. "Gamer Rage" is fucking cringe.
They must get mad at devs raising their prices to avoid cognitive dissonance and admit democrats tanked the economy. >muh digital goods therefore the devs should continue to sell their game for 1/10 the cost of a gallon of milk
This is him increasing his own employees wages with inflation, retard. Where do you think wages go up from? From people selling products at higher prices.
This argument only works when everyone's wages also increase with inflation, which they haven't.
>sorry, everyone go home, some retard that doesn't understand ANYTHING about real life or economics on Ganker is very angry so I'm gonna fire everyone instead of raising the price of the game + your salary
why is nobody else doing it in the gaming industry? You think the Factorio dev faces some unique challenge having to pay a team of developers? Again, should the next Assassins Creed game be sold for $700 because they easily have 10 times more developers to pay than the average studio?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>should the next AC be sold for $700
An individual could feasibly spend that much on it if they chose to right now.
Either way, insanely stupid and disingenuous argument.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What is disingenuous about it? >Factorio dev has to pay his team so the game needs to cost more >bigger team = game should cost more money
That is literally your argument.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because you're throwing out arbitrarily huge numbers when the price hike has nothing to do with team size. A comparable thing would be $75 or $80. But it's already been explained to you why AAA devs don't need to do that and are already making money hand-over-fist through MTX.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Microtransactions are less consumer unfriendly than what the Factorio dev is doing. If he added a cash shop where his fanboys can whale to their hearts content and finance the game to go on sales, it would be better for the average player.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>$5 price hike on a $30 game is less consumer friendly than thousands of dollars of dlc in a $70 game
You really can't make this shit up
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes, you aren't forced to spend a single dime on MTX and the $70 game will eventually go on a 85% off sale. Just accept it, the Factorio devs are objectively the worst developers in the entire video game industry. They are more greedy than Activision and EA.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You aren't forced to buy Factorio either lol
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>why is nobody else doing it in the gaming industry?
videocult did it with rain world before it happened to factorio, give it a month or two and you'll see big indies rising prices of their old games en masse
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>why is nobody else doing it in the gaming industry?
Irrelevant. >You think the Factorio dev faces some unique challenge having to pay a team of developers?
Who knows? It's his prerogative. He manages it, he decides the risks he takes (and rising the price of the game is also a risk, it should generally decrease sales, and if it decreases sales enough he'll have lost money in the end. Why do you think you should be able to run someone else's business? Do YOU know what challenges e faces? >Again, should the next Assassins Creed game be sold for $700 because they easily have 10 times more developers to pay than the average studio?
I'm not saying what prices should be running, I'm saying you're not the one to decide, gay. Unless you go out there and make a game yourself, in which case I'll defend your right to set your prices. At worst I'll say it's a bad idea and that you're losing profits in the end or something.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The reason, fucktard, is that big companies shit out a new game every 2 years (at twice the price of Factorio) + most indie games have a fraction of the intrinsic value that Factorio does
If they didn't reduce the price after releasing Factorio 2, you would have a point
>This is him increasing his own employees wages with inflation
Who gives a shit about his employees retard, the CONSUMERS wages have stagnated and this garden gnome has decided to jack up the price? No shit people are upset about it and rightfully so.
>His employees are also customers of other products. Are you brain dead?
So not me? Why should I care about shit they want to buy.
>Who gives a shit about his employees retard
uhhhhhhhhh he does? how much of a prole can you be?
Still not me, they're getting a raise due to a price hike on a product which has already been completed and on sale for 6 years, as far as I'm aware they've done fuck all to earn it from consumers.
Agree! at least that's what happening in 3rd word countries nowadays, inflation keep happening but the wages not increasing so WTF am I gonna do about it?!
I agree, but only assuming his game doesn't have a cash shop and all that other modern shit. If its a finish doroduxf that still gets dev support and shit, I'm fine with that.
I haven't pirated a game in over a decade, but if I ever felt like playing Factorio, I am going to make an exception. This developer is NEVER going to get a cent from me purely out of principle.
>$30 isn't a fair price for a game that has no microtransactions/no battlepasses/no rotating skin shop. A game that you can sink hundreds of hours in and play multiple times. A game that has recieved bug fixes for 6 years after its launch.
>the price is good because it doesn't have microtransactions
kys sheep
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Way to not read my entire post. Guess I was expecting too much from double digit IQ gamers.
all those things shouldnt be in any game. youve just been made to believe its okay goybrain
When did I say microtransactions were good? A dev puts out a complete game with none of the modern money grubbing tactics and people still don't want to buy it because its "not on sale"
why the fuck do they have 30 people in their books? Like what are they even doing? Have they even released any info of a new DLC or something? Are they even working on something?
Of course anon. Remember how all those devs halfed the price of their new releases because of record low interest rates and government injected cash. Just like how if their is a labor shortage fast food outlets will raise wages, rather than put up signs saying "drive thru not work, no people make burgers" and close their doors.
The fed (aka the banks) will never ever allow deflation. They control it completely and wanted this. 0 inflation would be ideal but they gaslit people for decades into thinking them taking 2% off the top was good. Now they realized how stupid people are and just went whole hog.
>money loses value over time for no reason other than manufacturers, distributors, and retailers colluding to charge customers more for the same products they've always sold
Reading this thread makes me realize just how shitty gamers really are. The devs should have just sold the game for $60 originally and just put it on sale for $30 every so often. You retards will buy anything as long as its on sale, but not when its already half the price of a AAA release. Steams "Sale culture" really ruined the entire market.
most people would never touch a game like this for $60. It's not just Steam sale culture, you have sales everywhere. Amazon has sales of physical copies. Microsoft and Sony have sales on their stores. Brick and mortar stores have sales and frequently put old games into bargain bins etc. It's simply not normal to sell a 7 year old product for a higher price than at its release. Literally no one does this.
why do you think amazon raises the price of their shit right before Prime Day? It's so they can charge the same price with a huge SALE! DISCOUNT! tag on it and the shit works
normal businesses: >price of energy has gone up, price of materials has gone up, this has cut the margin we have on our product so we must increase the price
garden gnomes: >nothing has changed but this is a good way to get more money out of people
>see news >delete my positive review on steam >leave a negative one instead >uninstall my steam copy >pirate the game multiple times elsewhere >only play the pirated copies from now on
You can still buy a key for 20€.
What is the problem here?
I looked at their website and they actually have a good amount of people working there - u less most of them are freelancers, which I doubt.
>garden gnomes then
bazillion years old game now on sale! for the modest price of 29.99! grab it now >garden gnomes now
bazillion years old game will increase price starting next week! grab it now while its 29.99
This thread again ?
Software programmers are workers just like other engineer/scientist types, they have to get a degree for it, spend 8 hours a day in an office working, that office is physical space so the owner has to pay rent, electricity, heating etc, the computers aren't that expensive but the license fees on some software can be, although game devs would probably need rigs with very expensive GPUs to test their games.
If anyone here doesn't know, writing the software is not that hard but verifying it, making sure there wasn't any mistake in the reasonning, requires a lot of time, there are automatic ways to do it but even those have to be verified. It's possible to spend a whole week just trying to figure out a small problem which only becomes obvious after you figure out what it is.
Makes sense if it's a multiplayer game.
But yeah otherwise it's a cheap trick ( buy it now before it gets more expensive ), I personally don't feel bad about pirating games.
>inflation
lmao
Richest 1% bag nearly twice as much wealth as the rest of the world put together over the past two years
Published: 16th January 2023
Super-rich outstrip their extraordinary grab of half of all new wealth in past decade.
Billionaire fortunes are increasing by $2.7 billion a day even as at least 1.7 billion workers now live in countries where inflation is outpacing wages.
A tax of up to 5 percent on the world’s multi-millionaires and billionaires could raise $1.7 trillion a year, enough to lift 2 billion people out of poverty.
The richest 1 percent grabbed nearly two-thirds of all new wealth worth $42 trillion created since 2020, almost twice as much money as the bottom 99 percent of the world’s population, reveals a new Oxfam report today. During the past decade, the richest 1 percent had captured around half of all new wealth.
>You think the developers of Factario are the 1%?
no just saying this bout of "inflation" is just billionaires charging more for shit just because they can. They were already stupid rich and they want more and it will never stop
It's his game he can increase the price anytime, I am okay with that, but "MUH INFLATION" is a very dumb excuse to use, come on man, stop acting like a pseudo-intellectual man! Just tell everyone you want more money and your cult will still pay and buy your game happily. You already sold the game and gain profit from it, it's more than enough to cover your prior cost to produce the game and its development cost.
>This is the only instance I have ever heard of
older games get "re-released" all the time for updated pricing to reflect the current market. It's shockingly common
not really. They get re-released in GOTY editions or remastered editions and whatnot, but those always include added value, like all the DLCs or updated graphics and textures, better framerates on consoles etc. Even in the most shameless example with all those anniversary and ultimate editions of Skyrim, at least it isn't being sold more expensive than at release.
I am. Normal people don't only look at the year. Here's what you're trying to do >Child born on 31/12/2022 >Time passes to 01/01/2023 >HE'S ONE YEAR OLD!
Cope, seethe, cry.
No, I see that it's almost 7 years old and just round up. You're autistic and are unable to do this and resort to extremes to prove your point.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Let's say you were born on 25/02/2005
Would you say you're 18 years old? Do you round up your own age and go to the bar? No. Not even American do that.
This was a based decision because in the end it finally gave me the push I needed to buy the game instead of beating around the bush. Time to get into autism.
actually luxury goods getting their costs bumped up isn't uncommon, for example regular "essential" groceries are only taxed 1% where I live, but non-essential or perhaps "luxury" goods like chocolate or soda are taxed 5.3%
>actually luxury goods getting their costs bumped up isn't uncommon
essential good like bread is up 1 dollar here in my shithole, and twice in 2022, and they are going up 1 dollar again next month.
bread is luxury good now huh I guess I better start buying flour and consume them with hot water instead
egg is luxury good too that's the power of inflation turning everything into luxury, except my salary and neetbux, yes I am working and receiving neetbux at the same time because I have autism
Nobody realizes the cost of chickens themselves hasn't gone up. You can literally buy your own chickens and immeasurably improve your own lives.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
chicken feed has gone up in price
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You don't have to feed a chicken chicken feed. The primary reason to own a chicken is to feed it table scraps, which has proven to be very successful in reducing waste (as well as improving the world because chickenshit is rich in nitrogen)
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
chicken feed has gone up in price
It has nothing to do with this shit, it's because of the avian flu scare. Except the biggest egg distributors posted 0 cases and made like 65% more profit. The answer is capitalism.
I dont know how scummy is this because I dont care about their autism game. I would think it's bad because your game is old and you should just be making something new where you can charge whatever you want, not hiking up the price of your old famous product. On the otherhand if they're still working on it and adding content frequently then I guess that's justifiable
>my girlfriend wanna buy a new LV bag next month >I need more money to cover her luxury lifestyle >gotta increase the price of my game to earn more money to feed my sexy wife >have to come up with an excuse to not offend my loyal fanbase >read the latest yahoo news >INFLATION IS KILLING EUROPE THIS WINTER >Good idea!
That's what happened behind the scene guys please understand this poor cuck have to buy more bags for her waifu if not she's going to leave him.
Man will only do evil thing when he is manipulated by a woman.
I bet this dude increased the price of the game twice because his wife told him to do so.
Definitely a golddigger wife.
I have friend who commited suicide when his girlfriend broke up with him last year, he gave half of his salary to her every month, I told him that's a bad idea, this factorio guy is giving me this vibe it's like deja vu. A man will never turn greedy unless he is being manipulated by a woman, this is a life lesson that I will never forget, my friend commited suicide because he gave that woman his dad's insurance money to pay her education loan or some shit and she left him for another guy.
A bunch of losers ITT. You can't imagine the pressure of being responsible for the financial future and creative independence of thirty people. If you're not willing to step beyond the safety of a salary and think about the demands on people that provide your stability, you shouldn't comment.
>thirty people >1 guy work full time >29 contribute a little bit now and then, their pay is 100$ once per month for their contribution >I HAVE 30 MOUNTHS TO FEED, TRUST ME
Nah, not falling for this.
why the fuck should the customers give a shit about how many salaries he has to pay? The Ubisoft Assassins Creed team is notoriously large, like 1000+ devs. Should an Assassins Creed game be 10x more expensive than a game made by 100 devs?
it's not even that, it's just basic logic. Price of inflation goes up, value of dollar goes down. Price of game increases to account for both factors. Kinda funny that the fucking Factorio dev of all people would get so much shit for following this basic thread of logic
Czechbros, is it really that bad? Says that the inflation got to 9,9% this year, but it can't be "we're increasing the game's price"-level bad. > t. Ruskie with 12% inflation reported
Man will only do evil thing when he is manipulated by a woman.
I bet this dude increased the price of the game twice because his wife told him to do so.
Definitely a golddigger wife.
Best part is that being a garden gnome he will only increase the sales from from people that were on the fence about buying it and future customers will pay $35 without a problem.
Factorio, the game that has a no-sales policy meaning you'll always have to pay full price no matter how long the game was released.
Now also the only game that had its retail price increased over half a decade later, ever.
Expect their next game to have denuvo an a $5 price increase every year because of "inflation".
It's the Matrix games model. Cultivate a niche by finding out the exact pricepoint where normalmorons will give your games a wide berth but enthusiasts will still flock to it
They treat their game as a manufactured physical product, despite the game costing them absolutely no money to run since it's an offline singleplayer game with no new content.
outrage only lasts about 2 weeks, everyone will forget and move on, I bet the devs could've just raise the prices without saying anything and no one would have noticed kek
He's just an autist. Like, not the fucking meme kind. Idk why people are confused by this.
>putting his game on sale
See[...]
They treat their game as a manufactured physical product, despite the game costing them absolutely no money to run since it's an offline singleplayer game with no new content.
Sales sell you a lot of copies in the short term but decrease your future sales at normal price significantly, especially when your game has already reached "total coverage" on Steam for your genre, which Factorio must be pretty close to reaching due to how successful the game is. If they run sales they make more money for a few years but then they'll just run out of people to sell the game to anymore.
>but then they'll just run out of people to sell the game to anymore.
Then create new content to sell instead of expecting free money at your doorstep for a game made 10 years ago?
One minor bugfix per month, great. >But games take time to make.
Not my problem. You expect customers to pay for development AND pay again at the end to play the game?
I don't expect anything. But if I make a really good game I can charge whatever I want because people will buy it. That's the position they find themselves in, and if I were them I'd so the same thing.
When most multi billion $ corporations are pricing their products more fairly and reasonably, then yes, the indie dev is in fact the bad guy. Sony or Activision don't sell 7 year old games more expensive than on release. In fact, I can get pretty much any $70 triple A game for LESS than Factorio if I just wait for a sale in a year or 2.
That's not what I said you fucking retard. I said I can get any triple A game for less than factorio if I wait for it to go on a sale. Witcher 3 was once a $60 full price release, 7 years later, I can get it for 5 bucks.
But you said they're priced more reasonably, which isn't objectively true in any measure.
Just look at Nintendo for simple evidence of AAA games not going on sale.
show me a multi billion dollar corporation that doesn't put their games on sales 7 years after release. I don't give a shit about the base price if a $70 game frequently goes on 75% off sales, it's still effectively cheaper than Factorio.
Sure, literally all of Nintendo's first party developers
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
okay, fair enough. So Microsoft, Sony, Ubisoft, Activision, EA are all more consumer friendly than the Factorio dev and the one company that is just as greedy and consumer unfriendly is Nintendo.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, actually all of the other companies you mention fill their games with dlc, microtransactions, and publish multiple games per year
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah, and even those greedy companies that will try to nickel and dime their audience as hard as they possibly can STILL aren't greedy and stupid enough to raise the base price of their games 7 years after release.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The point is that they don't need to because the base price doesn't matter when you can have an influx of cash from MTX or DLC. Factorio has neither.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Factorio devs are working on the DLC. Which they are going to sell for the same price as the base game by the way, so another incredibly scummy and greedy move that is unprecedented in this industry.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>DLC priced similarly to base game is unprecendented
You're unbelievably new lmfao
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why are you trying to gaslight me? I've been playing games since the 90s back when DLC meant actual expansion packs with dozens of hours of new content and even then it was NEVER sold at the same price as the base game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Monster Hunter? Pokemon? Mario Kart? How about the entire concept of MTX in video games having thousand, if not tens of thousands of dollars of DLC available? You're either a complete retard or a disingenuous troll
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I guess I just come from a different gaming background and am not very familiar with console gaming. From Opposing Force, to Aoe2 Conquerors, to Shivering Isles to Throne of Bhaal to Lord of Destruction and WC3 Frozen Throne I cannot think of a PC game that sold its expansion for the same price as the original game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I am unfamiliar with current gaming
Then stop arguing on Ganker, boomer.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He's exactly who should be posting here though.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
current expansions don't usually do this either though. You keep bringing up Nintendo games and I already admitted that they are indeed as bad and greedy as Factorio dev. But that's pretty much it. Monster Hunter World is cheaper than Factorio by the way and goes on sales. Both the base game and Iceborn.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>don't usually
Lol
You have absolutely no defense of MTX and that's really all that needs to be said
>All this fuzz over a 16% increase on a game that has been bought by almost everyone that would like it >It's still DRM free and easy as shit to crack the mod forum
>explain how greedy devs on steam set a precedent for greedy devs on steam
dunno
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because gays are simping hardcore for this price change, other companies will take notice and follow suit.
Nobody is "simping" for the price change and Factorio is not a AAA game. Cope and seethe.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dishonest fucker
AAA is already $70 + the other money siphoning tactics, they've been way ahead of the curve. Name 5 AAA game releases in the past 2 years that don't have some DLC or MTX in it
You can wait a year or two and the game will eventually go on sale, sometimes for less than $10
if that was true other companies would never do sales either but see [...], just pirate you fucking retards
They literally just announced the change you braindead normie
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They literally just announced
The game has never been in sale, it's been 7 years. Where's the precedent?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Did you even read the OP post?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Reading comprehension? I'm saying if this will set a precedent then how come their retarded "no sales" politic has not spread to other companies in 7 years?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sorry, i think we are arguing about two different things. The precedent im talking about is raising the price of the base game, not it never going on sale
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>dishonest fucker
I accept your concession
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
so what you're saying is devs should actually sell games for 200$ base price and then put them on sale for $70 after a year so people can get a real bargain deal? Its just the sale that matters right? Not how much entertainment you can get out of it or how polished and complete the game is?
I think increasing the price is a weird move but you're jumping waaaay too far ahead with that logic. We're not talking about Bethesda implementing horse armor leading to an increase in microtransactions levels of influence and AAA devs were already trying to push $70 for a game well before this.
AAA is already $70 + the other money siphoning tactics, they've been way ahead of the curve. Name 5 AAA game releases in the past 2 years that don't have some DLC or MTX in it
thanks for telling me about another piece of shit dev game that goes onto my block list
also i will pirate it and then instead of playing, i will put it right into the trash can
the fact that games for the longest time were around the same price, even though inflation has made a dollar from 2000 worth multiple times that since then, is kind of amazing. its funny that when big games went from 60 bucks to 70 or 80 bucks, people sperged out, even though they're actually still paying less than they did 20 years ago and games today have much bigger budgets
now you might say "well anon, the issue isn't the price per se, but the fact those games aren't worth it anymore, and they were back in 2000" and i'd agree. but then just don't buy those games. problem solved
lmao get a load of this bootlicker I'm not watching this filth >oh yes massa pay me less thank you for employing me
fucking pathetic gay you deserve to get fleeced for every cent
You won't be complaining if they lowered the price. Devs have the right of pricing their games however they want, and you have the freedom to put up with shit like this or not.
Personally, I won't.
Who do these retards think they are fooling? The game was released 7 years ago and they already made back the sunk cost to make the game a long time ago. It's not like they are running a business where cost is a constant factor against profits where you need to raise prices to keep said profits to keep the business afloat.
>>you should accept any price a producer asks of you
No. You can just
not
buy
the
game.
Holy fucking shit, fucking socialists.
> the consumer and producer together decide the worth of a product
And yet here you are, trying to pretend that you alone decide it. Here's the evil, ugly truth: you are irrelevant to the game's sales. If 35 bucks really is too much, the owner will end up losing money in the long run. Fucking socialists I swear.
>every point gets refuted >NOOOO YOU WON'T ALLOW ME TO HAVE MY OPINIONNNN
Absolute moron.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>call someone socialist >"yes, i have won this discussion and have refuted his points adequately"
stop replying to me, you are not worthy of my attention
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>go back to mother russia, gay
this statement automatically discards everything you say. bottom of the night to you
the fuck is socialist in expecting work to be done lmao, hes asking handouts for his shitty 7 year old game because his 30 employees need it, sure work for it you lazy gay.
I know it says "inflation" but really why? He isn't adding new content, overhead costs aren't going up. Why not just say I'm increasing the price because I feel like it.
>people shouldn't be forced by others to do things if they're not violating other people's property or threatening to >hmmm so... that means you're le bootlicker????
I fucking hate socialists so much
Didn't buy it before, won't buy it now. Don't see the issue, let him be a fag if he wants to. People who were on the edge will panic buy it now, the rest will pirate(already pirated, rather) it or just move on since the game was never for them anyway. People will go full >doesn't affect me
like they do with censorship or anything in life really until it does affect them.
I genuinely can't tell if you people are vatnik bots still butthurt because he mentioned that some of his people were in ukraine, or twitter lefties still butthurt about his telling cancle culture gays to fuck off. which ever it is, this "outrage" reeks of people being assblasted about anything but the price.
You're pretending to be someone who supports the dev because you have an agenda. It's painfully obvious. As are all the other people in here "defending" him. No rational thinking person would actually share your opinion.
False flag: a misrepresentation of affiliation or motivation or a false equivalence deliberately put forth to manipulate the context, perception, or frame of an action, object, or argument
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/false-flag
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you're falseflagging by manipulating perception through the denial of rational posters that know a $5 price hike is nothing to screech over. Thanks anon!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
But what does it mean?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It means you're pretending to be supporting the dev with irrational arguments in an attempt to rile other people up to be against them.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What's irrational?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That inflation should affect the price of older games.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the game is still being updated
gamers are so fucking entitled its unreal
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Now I see why AAA devs are pushing live service so hard.
Why is that irrational?
Because it was worth its price at its time. Over time its value decreases as new technology is created and gameplay is refined. Should cars increase in value over time? Should doom 1993 cost $150?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Its 5 dollars increase for 7 years of upgrades.
Gamers are so fucking entitled.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>7 years of upgrades.
more like 7 years to finally get out of early access
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It was in early access for less than 4
How much cope do you have?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>over time its value decreases as gameplay is refined
That makes literally no sense. Digital goods don't depreciate. It's a better, smoother, and more content-rich game than it was at launch.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean as newer games refine gameplay
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>he wants modern games to refine gameplay
literal reddit tourist
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I haven't been using reddit a lot since the_donald got banned. cope
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>literally admitting to being both a redditor and a 4chan tard in one comment
no thanks
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There was literally nothing wrong with reddit until conservatives started being censored
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>falling for false flagging
Literal retard
>REDDITORS UNIRONICALLY BELIEVE THIS
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no argument
You LITERALLY have no argument retard
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>falling for false flagging
Literal retard
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop false flagging
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Newer games don't inherently refine gameplay. There are worse sandbox games than Factorio that released after it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's fine then that the price went up because they re-evaluated its value and think it's worth a price increase since they've added more content and improved it. That's nothing new. But when you say it's because of "inflation" what the fuck does that entail for all other older games? Does that mean they should all increase with inflation as well?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It doesn't entail shit for all other older games. It is this team's decision based on a variety of factors. Fearmongering about all other indie devs making their decisions based on Factorio is unbelievably stupid, even more so when you consider that they haven't ever put the game on sale, but that somehow hasn't caused ripples in indie game sale pricing.
So you're falseflagging by manipulating perception through the denial of rational posters that know a $5 price hike is nothing to screech over. Thanks anon!
>only the goods I accept to have price hiked are acceptable, if I don't like it then the price hike shouldn't exist!
Nobody enjoys the price hikes you fucking socialist moron. It's the fault of the government destroying the value of money.
Here are some valid points: >I think this is a bad idea, people won't pay for it. He's mispricing the game. >35 is too expensive for the game, I refuse to buy it. >35 is too expensive for the game, I will now pirate it.
Here's a wrong point: >He said he'd keep the pricing, so rising it means he's breaking his promise.
If you believe this, you're being disingenuous. Imagine if we had 1000% inflation, should then prices stay the same? Oh, but THEN the socialist retards would maybe be able to notice that the prices went up and then they would be ashamed to try to defend that the game should stay the same price.
Here's one of the most retarded takes of all time: >The game has been playable for X time, therefore I value the game less.
Here are socialist cuck completely invalid points: >I'm really angry at him rising the prices, how dare him, I hope he dies. >I'm angry at someone else getting money for the work and decisions he made. >I'm going to buy the game and review it negatively, that will show him!
Fascism is socialism with a cooler flag. Fuck off.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>every opinion I don't like is socialist
Into the garbage can
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Into the garbage can
Yeah, that's where socialist opinions go.
Also >trying to tell other people how to run their business >th-this is not socialist guys omg he's generalizing! that's.. that's actually capitalism!!!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes that is literally capitalistic, it's a business owner making an independent decision. Socialist is not an adjective.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it's a business owner making an independent decision.
Yup.
>Socialist is not an adjective.
Indeed, it's an insult. Which is what you are. And you trying to tell what the business owner should be doing is also socialist. Fucking socialists.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>agrees >continues to use socialist as an adjective
That's like saying people who are mad at McDonalds making a hash brown $3 when it used to be $.50 are socialist. You're a goop-brained tribalist.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Consumers in a market shouldn't be able to have preferences in how businesses should be run
My brother what the fuck are you talking about? Anyways, I hope you don't hold any shares in a company, because that would probably make you a socialist in your view.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>My brother what the fuck are you talking about?
The socialists are talking as if it's unnacceptable to rise the price to 35. If they were saying >I think this is a bad idea, people won't pay for it. He's mispricing the game. >35 is too expensive for the game, I refuse to buy it. >35 is too expensive for the game, I will now pirate it.
Then it would be fine.
When they say >how DARE him? I hope he dies
That makes them socialists.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>The game has been playable for X time, therefore I value the game less
So this is retarded, but saying the game is not worth $35 without giving any explanation at all is a valid point? Because I guarantee the age of the game is a major factor for most people saying the game isn't worth the asking price.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>$35 without giving any explanation at all
He said that it's because of inflation. Your feelings do not make the reason irrelevant, it only makes you said/angry.
>agrees >continues to use socialist as an adjective
That's like saying people who are mad at McDonalds making a hash brown $3 when it used to be $.50 are socialist. You're a goop-brained tribalist.
Said people should stop buying from McDonalds and go eat somewhere else, not talk about how McDonalds should be destroyed. That's socialism.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>not talk about how McDonalds should be destroyed
What the fuck are you talking about? Nobody is advocating for Factorio to be destroyed. You can't follow a simple analogy?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This poster
maybe release new product or make expansion pack worth its price, otherwise fuck off and die
literally said the dev should die.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Good try, but that's a swing and a miss.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NUH UH
Why even bother posting such a useless post? You could have just kept quiet, saved my time and yours.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>evidence of people wanting the game destroyed is telling a dev to fuck off and die on Ganker
Why even bother posting such a useless post? You could have just kept quiet, saved my time and yours.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>people talking about X is evidence that people are talking about X
Well, yes. This is what we were talking about. Did you forget already, peanut brain?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>if I say two things are equivalent that means they DEFINITELY are
We can all read the thread, newfriend.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You wanted me to say, in my example, that socalists would want to kill the owners of McDonalds then? Is that what you're sperging about? C'mon now.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That would be logically consistent with the other posts, yeah. But the real problem with your disingenuous post is that nobody is advocating for anything to be destroyed or killed besides some anonymous poster.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Killing the owner is even worse than destroying the restaurant. I took it more lightly than I could have.
>your disingenuous post is that nobody is advocating for anything to be destroyed or killed besides some anonymous poster.
>people talking about X is not a good example of people talking about X
Holy cope.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>socialists want to destroy McDonalds >actually, an anonymous guy who isn't really a socialist just said that online
Lmfao
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
, an anonymous guy who isn't really a socialist
Who ever said he isn't a socialist? He wants to harm innocent people, hes DEFINITELY a socialist.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Killing the owner is even worse than destroying the restaurant
No, owner is only one person, restaurant provides jobs for many people
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Nuh uh, he never said anything about destroying Factorio, he just wanted to KILL THE DEVS, TAKE THAT HAHA
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>telling someone to fuck off and die is WANTING TO KILL THEM
I've yet to see a post from the "everyone is a socialist" camp that isn't nonsense hyperbole
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
actually i meant for his company to die but i dont give a fuck he can drop dead too.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Very socialist of you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
stop quoting me you low iq schizoid
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Holy cope. Just stop posting, you're anon, nobody will remember your embarassment except yourself 10 minutes from now. Fucking socialist moron.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>socialist
you are both retarded and mentally ill, consider suicide
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>He said that it's because of inflation. Your feelings do not make the reason irrelevant, it only makes you said/angry
When I said "no explanation", I was referring to the people saying the game isn't worth the asking price, dummy. According to
Here are some valid points: >I think this is a bad idea, people won't pay for it. He's mispricing the game. >35 is too expensive for the game, I refuse to buy it. >35 is too expensive for the game, I will now pirate it.
Here's a wrong point: >He said he'd keep the pricing, so rising it means he's breaking his promise.
If you believe this, you're being disingenuous. Imagine if we had 1000% inflation, should then prices stay the same? Oh, but THEN the socialist retards would maybe be able to notice that the prices went up and then they would be ashamed to try to defend that the game should stay the same price.
Here's one of the most retarded takes of all time: >The game has been playable for X time, therefore I value the game less.
Here are socialist cuck completely invalid points: >I'm really angry at him rising the prices, how dare him, I hope he dies. >I'm angry at someone else getting money for the work and decisions he made. >I'm going to buy the game and review it negatively, that will show him!
Fascism is socialism with a cooler flag. Fuck off.
, it's valid to say the game isn't worth $35, until you actually explain why you don't think it's worth $35. Then suddenly you're a retard.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>According to
Here are some valid points:
>I think this is a bad idea, people won't pay for it. He's mispricing the game. >35 is too expensive for the game, I refuse to buy it. >35 is too expensive for the game, I will now pirate it.
Here's a wrong point: >He said he'd keep the pricing, so rising it means he's breaking his promise.
If you believe this, you're being disingenuous. Imagine if we had 1000% inflation, should then prices stay the same? Oh, but THEN the socialist retards would maybe be able to notice that the prices went up and then they would be ashamed to try to defend that the game should stay the same price.
Here's one of the most retarded takes of all time: >The game has been playable for X time, therefore I value the game less.
Here are socialist cuck completely invalid points: >I'm really angry at him rising the prices, how dare him, I hope he dies. >I'm angry at someone else getting money for the work and decisions he made. >I'm going to buy the game and review it negatively, that will show him!
Fascism is socialism with a cooler flag. Fuck off.(You), it's valid to say the game isn't worth $35, until you actually explain why you don't think it's worth $35. Then suddenly you're a retard.
Go into detail, what do you mean? Which of the quotes are you talking about? Are you being vague on purpose?
>socialist
you are both retarded and mentally ill, consider suicide
Suiciding where I live isn't easy because of socialists like you who think you can tell me how to live my life.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>35 is too expensive for the game, I refuse to buy it. >>35 is too expensive for the game, I will now pirate it
These are listed as "valid points" >>The game has been playable for X time, therefore I value the game less.
This is listed as a retarded take, even though it's just a guy saying why he doesn't think the game isn't worth $35.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>These are listed as "valid points"
Of course. That's merely stating the person's preference and how he's reacting to the price change.
>This is listed as a retarded take, even though it's just a guy saying why he doesn't think the game isn't worth $35.
It is a retarded take, yes, because games don't change since release. Being unable to explain something is better than giving a retarded explanation, for sure. Where's the issue?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is what stormfags actually believe when there is no serious fascist movement anywhere
>460 replies
you guys are so stupid it's funny, you're like morons of gaming. You are being used to advertise the game and you don't even understand it.
For me, personally, I think factorio should cost $80 imo. Definitely worth it. I'll support him with whatever price increases he goes with! He deserves it.
I made this argument ages ago, talking about all the weeb developers leaving homeconsoles for the DS >why do I have to play weebshit on a one inch screen with Nintendo 64 graphics at full price in 2007? >autistic screeching
It feels like watching reruns of that time
If it was $80 I'd probably have pirated it instead.
Then after 200+ hours of gameplay I'd probably have ended up buying it anyway.
Remember when Ganker said digital games would save developers money and they would pass the money to the customers?
That's ok, nobody else remembers either. Now the average game with all the dlc is well above 120 usd.
Go buy Monster Hunter Rise with ALL the dlc, tell me how much it costs you. >but the dlc is optional
It would've been on one disc, maybe two with a director's cut.
>Remember when Ganker said digital games would save developers money and they would pass the money to the customers?
I think that's only in your mind.
Remember when Ganker said digital games would save developers money and they would pass the money to the customers?
That's ok, nobody else remembers either. Now the average game with all the dlc is well above 120 usd.
Go buy Monster Hunter Rise with ALL the dlc, tell me how much it costs you. >but the dlc is optional
It would've been on one disc, maybe two with a director's cut.
>Minecraft adds more shit >Minecraft increases the price >nobody complains >Shovel Knight adds more shit >Shovel Knight increases the price >nobody complains >Factorio adds more shit >Factorio increases the price >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I AM SUPPOSED TO ENJOY THIS FOR THIRTY DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gamer entitlement was and still is very real
>digital game >never on sale >features being held back for dlc anyway
Insanely gnomish
At least Nintendo does like, 30% off once a year for their games digitally and doesn't raise their prices, and they're about as gnomish as it gets.
>makes russians seethe >makes redditors seethe >mods are welcome >game is optimized beyond all hell >probably the most autistic game ever created
kvetching over 5 dollars is fucking hilarious
I'm gonna be honest. If they just shadow dropped the price increase without saying anything, I wouldn't be upset. It's the "muh inflation" bit that pisses me off.
>money is worth less now >what are we gonna do? >well we can't increase the price because someone on Ganker doesn't understand basic economics... so I don't know man
>worth
You don't understand economics.
Whoever owns the game at the moment sells the game for the price they believe will get them the most profit. If it's short term or long term, that's for them to decide. Hell, there might even be cases where they want to get some pocket change and don't really care about maximizing profits, they just want to sell more for whatever reason. Maybe to get the brand solidified, or maybe some other reason entirely.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So then they increased the price not because of inflation but because they want to make more money. Ergo my original post.
>you see, billionaires now have trillions to their names >you understand who you have to pay more, right?
No, not really. Why their money (they are not gonna use anyway) affect me?
>>you see, billionaires now have trillions to their names
What? >>you understand who you have to pay more, right?
I never said that you understand anything.
So then they increased the price not because of inflation but because they want to make more money. Ergo my original post.
. The number changes but what matters is the value of money. That's what they're trying to keep the same by increasing the number. 5 bucks does not buy what 5 bucks used to buy 10 years ago.
He adjusted exactly the percentage amount that the consumer price index increased from the beginning of 2020 until now. The effective cost of the game is identical assuming your wages were also increased over that time period. Looking at the average hourly wage from the beginning of 2020 until now, we see that same percentage increase of roughly 15-16%. Therefore it makes perfect sense what he's doing, I can't comprehend why people have fault with this other than being either mathematically or economically illiterate.
what's the problem? don't you understand how inflation works? you should be angry at whoever's inflating the money supply, not at a game developer (or anyone else trying to sell something in this fucked up economy)
Inflation on digital good does not exist, they're being garden gnomes.
Don't know who told you that but reality says otherwise. If you buy them in the inflated currency yes it does. Inflation is an increase in money supply not the cost of individual goods.
inflation by definition is the increase of price of goods.
Wow a lot of people in this thread who don't understand basic economics at all. I'll give you a hint: the price of a video game bears no relation to the cost to develop it. If this scares and confuses you, try reading a book sometime
>I'll give you a hint: the price of a video game bears no relation to the cost to develop it.
It's almost like you get it now
but it sounds like you still don't
I was agreeing with you. OP thinking inflation is a conspiracy is due to his retardation.
>muh digital goods
updates require money and that money's now worth less
stop being greedy little garden gnomes then claiming it's everyone else
If they want me to fund their development they should find a business model that has me directly fund their development instead of selling copies.
I'd like to pay for their labour, not a copy of the easily reproducible product of it.
so you want Factorio to be a subscription service?
Great. You have planted the seed now. Every single fucking game will be a sub service or free 2 play but require 350 bux of DLC to run
>Every single fucking game will be a sub service or free 2 play but require 350 bux of DLC to run
They're called battle passes.
good, just lower the price of the game when it gets old
on steam anything made before 2016 is a ripoff because it goes on 80% discount twice per year and at that point you're just getting ripped off if you buy it at the "normal" price and they should really just lower the regular price instead
You might actually be retarded.
No, I'd prefer something like crowdfunding with the final product being freely available instead of the gnomish scheme crowdfunding actually is currently.
>I'd prefer something like crowdfunding with the final product being freely available
that's because you want to let everyone else fund it, claim you can't risk your money on it being shit, then you get a free game in the end
I have given money to free games several times already. I bet you haven't. Sounds like projection.
yes, i do buy video games
I pirated your game 🙂
ahem DENUVO :^)
>Factorio released in 2016
Retard.
It's a 7 year old game. You might have just woken up from a coma but the rest of us havent. Plus it's a DIGITAL game. There is no manufacturing left in order to adjust for the cost of production.
the manufacturing cost is the steam cut technically
and they're like a 5+ dev team in a first world country iirc. Its not a "lot" of money if you have lots of employees
>they're like a 5+ dev team in a first world country iirc
30+ actually.
Everything is a conspiracy if you're retarded.
my favorite part of being a conspiracy theorist is not having myocarditis
the product is already made and it does not produce any extra costs.
just a garden gnome trying to wring more money out of people who actually suffer from inflation.
If you want more money, make more games.
Call me when my wages increase in line with inflation. Call me when I get to inflate my backpay 7 years.
Guess it's time to raise HL1 to $50 to account for inflation
I don't think HL1 has the demand that Factorio still commands
HL1 sells more units per year than Facautism
The product was made years ago
the Witcher 3 doesn't cost 80€ now
99% of devs don't seem to feel the need to pump the prices of their games on Steam for it, so why is this guy different?
the "problem" is that the inflation did not rise by fucking 16% since 2016.
are you kidding? it was more than that the last 2 years alone even using the government's fake CPI
>he's actually buying it
good goyim, stay uninformed and consume digital products
>nothing is happening keep voting blue
golem
Inflation has nothing to do with digital products specifically. It affects everything.
do you really not understand compound interest? how old are you?
Most people don't actually understand inflation. They think the government can print money and give it to them, and it would make everyone richer.
but we literally have 1000s of years of examples of governments printing silly money and the exact same thing happens every time
It does work to some extend. US can afford it, because dollar is the global currency, and they aren't giving it to everyone, only the select few corporations, so their whole scheme is sustainable until the rest of the retards realizes what the government is doing.
I think they went too far during covid tho
kek @ all these salty idiots. Stay poor gays
Stay triggered you greedy sperg.
Games going up in cost after coming out of early access in one thing, even if that's still shitty.
Games going up in price, years after release, because of "inflation" is another thing entirely. Especially for a fucking digital game.
Fucking garden gnomes will never put the game on discount, but will do shit like this.
You will pay $35 for his game and you will enjoy it
Nah i'll just pirate it.
Then don't buy it. Or get a job so that 5 dollars doesn't ruin you financially.
The cost of running servers and paying teams to manage and run the games, as well as the cost to host the game on storefronts.
>Then don't buy it.
You don't need to tell me that.
>heh heh just get a job and you won't care
You don't mind sending me 50 bucks do you, anon? Well, of course I won't give you anything in return, I just want it. What are you, too poor to give your money away for no reason? Maybe you should get a job.
Is this what being a poorfag does to a man? You're an olympic level mental gymnast, anon, you should easily be able to get a job in a circus.
Why should I send an obese, lazy NEET my money?
Making money by selling a game you made for a fair price is unethical?
Lying is unethical, yes.
It's not that I can't send you money: I could, and I wouldn't even notice the money missing from my bank account. It's that I won't, because you're a gay.
>You don't mind sending me 50 bucks do you, anon?
for what game?
Scamming and bootlicking does not count
I already own the game. It's called ethics, anon.
>running serves
Playstation 2 era of online multiplayer was free of charge no need to pay addon fee because dumbass retard keep saying maintenance-shit!
They don't have to run any servers, it's not an online game. The cost of distribution doesn't suffer inflation as it's a flat percentage of sales revenue.
>Fucking garden gnomes will never put the game on discount, but will do shit like this.
https://gog-games.com/game/factorio
this
games have always been free for those who know
buying one is just because you want to donate to the devs
Get a job
Why are you suddenly getting mad? This isn't even the first time they've done this. Yeah, it's gay as fuck, but one would expect you'd have stopped thinking about the game years ago after the first price hike. I certainly did.
Isn't Factorio a single player game? Just pirate it.
There's multiplayer and a built-in mod portal that you need an account to use.
Hey, those CDs and garden gnomeel cases don't just appear out of thin air. Don't forget all the fuel used to power the delivery trucks. It's not like we live in a world where you can instataneously duplicate a digital file and deliver it once, 7 years ago, to Valve's servers.
But that is not why they are increasing the price. Go to sleep.
Precisely anon. You're almost understanding the issue now. Keep squeezing that grey matter, it will come eventually.
people pay for games?
It's an odd concept really. Why pay for a copy of something that can be copied at virtually no cost?
nooooooo i want this game im not going to buy to cost a very specific price no no no no i get to set the price i get to set the price fuck them no no no no reeeeeeeeeee
I'm fine if new games have am higher price. But old games increasing in price and not because of supply issues is scummy.
He’s cashing in on the Destiny sales. Sad
>takes 20 times longer than average to complete space exploration
>supposedly smart
Imagine self-reporting like that
but I thought the factorio dev was based
Show me the Stalin rant he posted.
Factorio looks like a gay autistic times ink but I might just buy it at full price to support such a based individual.
Now I get it. There has been nonstop threads about this and it's probably people mad about this. That's hilarious. The steam reviews have hundreds of hours kek
Still find it hilarious how willing lefties are willing to kill their own, or anyone who refuses to apologise for something they have nothing to do with.
When you filter it down to the facts. Factorio dev shared some thoughts he agreed with. Says you should seperate art/subject from the individual, and for people to mind their own business. And lefties fucking imploded.
Then like clockwork, according to the steam brigading he was a "racist bigot" for saying fuck off
He is.
I will now buy your game
Capcom AAA games typically lower in price naturally as time goes on, such as RE8 being $40 default now and currently on sale for $20. What is special about factorio that it's increasing its price when larger companies are lowering theirs? The "thousands of hours value" hasn't seen other similar types of games increasing their prices either
Explain how this negatively affects you personally. If so, how much would you be willing to pay for a game that had thousands of hours of dev time and won multiple awards?
not a single penny
Set a semitic precedent for other developers.
This to be honest.
I don't care if the game went to 35, I'm more afraid that other garden gnomes will now go "OOOH Y-YES RIGHT INFLATION SORRY GOTTA MAKE YOU PAY MORE NOW!"
It's not bad because the act itself is bad, it's bad because others will abuse it and the common NPC will accept it since if everyone does it then it is okay
$70 is already the standard for new releases how long have you been asleep?
I wouldn't say it's the new standard yet, they're trying to push it but it's not widely accepted as far as I can tell
For AAA it is
microsoft has now adopted it
nintendo is adopting it
$70 for new games is the new standard
but if would royally suck if nintendo decides that mario kart 8 deluxe should be sold for $70 from now on
Zero since the dev outted himself with his greed. Too late now. Respect your customers
>never puts the game on sale
>increases cost as the game gets more substantial or economy is fucked
yeah sounds like all the old customers are getting the best deal here, what's the problem?
I bought it in 2019. So whatever it was then.
Games with "thousands of hours of dev time and multiple awards" are a dime a dozen nowadays. Those are bad metrics to ascertain value by. I mean, Avengers won a bunch of awards and probably had hundreds of thousands if not millions of hours of dev time and we're currently spitting on its corpse.
10 British pounds
>won multiple awards
does anybody unironically care about this? awards aren't inherently meaningful especially in vidya
Before that tweet, 20€
After, not even gonna pirate
How self centered.
Make a new game if you want more money. Your game is old. It’s not some premium product.
It literally *is* a premium product. Factorio is still receiving updates that expand modding capabilities; that fix bugs; that improve performance; etc. The reason Factorio is rightfully affected by inflation is that there are still ongoing development costs and e.g. salaries being paid, attached to the game. It's not triple-A trash that was cut loose and sent drifting after its two-week launch window by an irresponsible publisher with total lack of aftersales care, like EA or SquareEnix.
>Factorio dev is a retard, AGAIN
I hope more devs do this. I don't buy games anyway but I do develop them.
post ur gaem
lmao at the gays caping for this bullshit, no one else does this AND the game never goes on sale
I’ll see if I can refund
>buy 1 million copies of game for $30 today
>price goes up to $35
>refund games for full price
>???
>profit
I wish, Gabe will return you as much as you paid, not more and like banks, Gabe think that 1$ is 1$, you won't convince him that due to inflation older 1$ cost more than today 1$ so he should pay you more. Only dumbest goys fall for inflation meme.
>sell game for $10 at 1:1 ratio
>inflation happens
>10 dollars isn't worth what 10 dollars was on release
>adjust price to account for discrepancy
>"HURR DURR HOW DARE YOU GAYMERS RISE UP DURR"
Producers of goods justify inflation hikes due to the increased cost of inputs.
Muh "My bux don't go as far now" hikes are pure slumlord tier tactics.
>Muh "My bux don't go as far now" hikes are pure slumlord tier tactics.
but it's literally true. If you don't adjust for inflation you're losing money. Why do you think your salary goes up every year even if you don't get promoted? It's to adjust for inflation
My salary DOESN'T go up every year. Hence all the fags like me crying about garden gnomes hiking prices for inflation.
Real wages have been stagnant for nearly 20 years because wage rises aren't in line with inflatioan.
Anyway - that's not the point. They aren't losing money. The game launched 7 years ago. This is like a prostitute arbitrarily raising costs of handjobs because she thinks she's leaving money on the table by not asking for more.
I will simply dip my hand in ice cold water so it goes completely numb, put on nail polish and jerk myself. garden gnome.
>My salary DOESN'T go up every year
not my fault you're stuck in a shit job that doesn't respect your labor
All jobs are the same unless you're a chad or gnomish.
>I will simply dip my hand in ice cold water so it goes completely numb, put on nail polish and jerk myself
d-does this actually work?
Yes. But if you let if you let your fingers get wrinkly, it will feel like it's your grandmother jerking you off.
>if you let if you let your fingers get wrinkly, it will feel like it's your grandmother jerking you off
oh no...anything but that...
Imagine being such a shitty professional you don't get annual raises.
Ah shit I forgot you're not a professional and just a burger flipper waiting to be automated
Imagine being such a shitty dev you can't turn a profit after 7 years of release.
>They aren't losing money. The game launched 7 years ago.
do you know what the yearly rate of inflation is anon? At least in the US, it's around 5-7%. EVERY YEAR. The amount they charged 7 years ago LITERALLY DOESN'T GO AS FAR as it did back then.
This whole thread and the lack of understanding around basic economics is seriously distressing
What difference does the yearly rate of inflation make? The game was already made, tard.
the price of a shirt or furniture increases every year due to inflation too. They're "already made", so what's the problem? They should charge the same price for it in perpetuity right? Of course fucking not, you're just baiting at this point
no, you retard, last seasons clothing is always on discount or dumped at outlet stores
it never goes up in price until it becomes "retro" or "vintage" decades later
curious how you gloss over the furniture analogy
You buy clothes that were made eight years ago? Holy fuck that's embarrassing.
Clothes literally rot. Digital games need to be constantly patched for updated hardware, servers need to be paid for to allow the game to be downloaded, fees are paid to store fronts like Steam, and the energy costs for running their servers. That doesn't include all the bureaucratic systems they have to pay for, like accountants, lawyers on retainer, etc.
They could just make the game free and let the community handle all of that. They chose those costs.
Yeah, let the community pay their bills. Makes total sense.
>servers
what servers? it is a singleplayer management sim with a tacked on multiplayer mode that can easily function using p2p multiplayer
why would they have servers for this? steam is already taking care of the games availability for download
Steam servers, retarded underageb&
is included in the 30% steam cut yet the argument implies that there are server related costs besides the 30% steam cut
gay
>is included in the 30% steam cut
Which now went up, since the price increased. Retard
CDN for mods that uses a TB of bandwidth per month.
I have old clothes that are worth more than most peoples car.
nobody will buy your "old" clothes
you are living in a bubble of volatile investiments
You dont know what you are talking about.
pls make sure to buy those latest sneakers for $2000
you will surely offload your pyramid scheme stock very soon
yep you're an ignorant gay
from a Ganker Gankerggot like you, i take that as a compliment
never been there. You obviously know nothing about what your shitting out of your cunt.
Why do you like to give an opinion on what you are obviously ignorant of?
Nope. 7 year old shirts or furniture are cheaper now then when they were made. Idiot.
Holy shit you are retarded
The claim was "they aren't losing money" which is objectively false, if you put any amount of currency in your pocket 7 years ago and take it out today it's worth considerably less denominated in value rather than in that currency.
How can you lose money you don't have. If I don't get a raise when I ask for it, did my boss just rob me? Retard.
>If I don't get a raise when I ask for it, did my boss just rob me?
Yes.
And your defending of such obvious garden gnome tactics is seriously distressing.
it's not "garden gnome tactics" dipshit, it's basic economics
By that logic, rereleases of games made in the 90s should cost over $100 to account for inflation.
Daggerfall should cost at least $110 instead of being free to play.
They covered development cost long ago, the money they spent to develop the game doesn't take into account inflation 6 years later, so the price shouldn't either.
It's the only game so far that had its retail price increased over the years.
And yes zoomers are getting garden gnomeed beyond belief. PC games used to cost about $40-50 in the 90s, and development was far, far less expensive and lengthy. Gaming never tried to adjust itself for inflation until this year, despite longer development cycles and tons of money spent on making games.
>By that logic, rereleases of games made in the 90s should cost over $100 to account for inflation.
>Daggerfall should cost at least $110 instead of being free to play.
yes, it should. And if they could get away with it, you can bet your sweet perky ass they would
no they couldn't. Do you think this is all just guess work or something? These triple A publishers hire teams of analysts going through sales data to determine exactly with how much they can get away with. The box price, the deluxe edition price, the date when the game will go on a sale and the percentage, they got that shit down to a science and the Factorio dev is an autistic idiot who has absolutely no clue about any of this so he is leaving millions of $ on the table, ironically due to his own greed in an attempt to make more money.
>if they could get away with it
They could. People keep showing this tweet but all fail to show the comments below.
this. In reality the factorio guy is being extremely conservative with his price increase
You're bitching about people sucking at math and your own image is a self own. Even at 5% annual inflation over 6 years with compounding interest would be 30+% 5-7% inflation is a new phenomenon zoomer. Inflation used to be 2-4% and even that was enough money printing to destroy the system. I'll let you guess what 5-7% means. Not that a retard like you would ever understand.
I get a 10-20% raise every year
Fuck forbid a company just goes out of business because it fails to provide a new quality product before it runs out of money
I hate socialists so much. Complain to the US government for printing money instead.
Maybe if it cost them money to keep producing fresh copies of the game it would gel, but that's not the case. The game has been made, it's done, and costs no one a thing to replicate infinitely.
And again, virtually no other indie dev feels the need to do this. Why is he special?
>Maybe if it cost them money to keep producing fresh copies of the game it would gel, but that's not the case. The game has been made, it's done, and costs no one a thing to replicate infinitely.
his game doesn't exist in a vacuum dipshit. 30 dollars doesn't go as far today as it did 7 years ago, that's an objective fact. The fact that you're too dumb or naive to realize that speaks volumes.
>virtually no other indie dev feels the need to do this. Why is he special?
...because he can? If any other indie game were in the position he is (i.e. made a good game that people actually want to play) then they would do it too. Not only because it makes financial sense, but because it makes common sense.
>30 dollars doesn't go as far today as it did 7 years ago, that's an objective fact.
I don't give a fuck. The game didn't get 5$ more valuable. You want to keep making money, make a new fucking product.
>The game didn't get 5$ more valuable
if you believe that, then it sure as hell didn't get less valuable either. Which it would've been if they didn't increase the cost and kept it at 30 dollars. Due to the rate of inflation, the "value" of the game has been steadily decreasing YoY
Old games should be getting lass valuable as new games raise the bar and increase what we can expect in quality
*should*
>new games raise the bar and increase what we can expect in quality
>seriously believing this
>...because he can? If any other indie game were in the position he is (i.e. made a good game that people actually want to play) then they would do it too
no they wouldn't you idiot. Factorio isn't even that successful compared to stuff like Stardew Valley, Hollow Knight, Valheim etc. This developer is just a combination of extremely greedy and very stupid because he doesn't understand how demand works. After 2-3 years, the vast majority of people who were going to buy your game at full price have already done so. The only way to expand your audience after that point is to reduce the price and / or put your game on sales.
Last year they sold 500000 copies. Your argument is null.
not really. They likely would have sold ten times that amount if they had put the game on sales. You really think EVERY developer is wrong and this autistic fuck is the only person in history of the free market who has figured out the secret to maximizing your revenue?
> You really think EVERY developer is wrong
He charges premium because the market he cutters to is willing to pay premium. It's not Terraria, it's autism simulator.
wow you should offer them financial advice, i'm sure they need it
fear of a negative response like these entire threads? expectations of what someone should and shouldn't do aren't actual rules you have to follow
>he game has been made, it's done,
It's still being actively maintained. The game is feature-complete. But the game is not done. Devs are still expanding on modability; are still improving performance; and are still applying more bugfixes.
>inflation is gonna get fixed by vendors increasing their prices!
nobody said that, vendors are just trying to save their asses
plus tip
bro if you want the game you probably already have it how does this affect you? Still half the price of a PS5 game. It ain't exactly locked down with DRM either. "Gamer Rage" is fucking cringe.
They must get mad at devs raising their prices to avoid cognitive dissonance and admit democrats tanked the economy. >muh digital goods therefore the devs should continue to sell their game for 1/10 the cost of a gallon of milk
What a greedy retard
hard agree, all games should adjust for inflation. It just makes sense, devs have to get paid
This argument only works when everyone's wages also increase with inflation, which they haven't.
What a retard take
Thanks for elaborating fagboy
This is him increasing his own employees wages with inflation, retard. Where do you think wages go up from? From people selling products at higher prices.
the game is already made he should and stop employing 30 people for 7 years for basic maintenance
>sorry, everyone go home, some retard that doesn't understand ANYTHING about real life or economics on Ganker is very angry so I'm gonna fire everyone instead of raising the price of the game + your salary
why is nobody else doing it in the gaming industry? You think the Factorio dev faces some unique challenge having to pay a team of developers? Again, should the next Assassins Creed game be sold for $700 because they easily have 10 times more developers to pay than the average studio?
>should the next AC be sold for $700
An individual could feasibly spend that much on it if they chose to right now.
Either way, insanely stupid and disingenuous argument.
What is disingenuous about it?
>Factorio dev has to pay his team so the game needs to cost more
>bigger team = game should cost more money
That is literally your argument.
Because you're throwing out arbitrarily huge numbers when the price hike has nothing to do with team size. A comparable thing would be $75 or $80. But it's already been explained to you why AAA devs don't need to do that and are already making money hand-over-fist through MTX.
Microtransactions are less consumer unfriendly than what the Factorio dev is doing. If he added a cash shop where his fanboys can whale to their hearts content and finance the game to go on sales, it would be better for the average player.
>$5 price hike on a $30 game is less consumer friendly than thousands of dollars of dlc in a $70 game
You really can't make this shit up
yes, you aren't forced to spend a single dime on MTX and the $70 game will eventually go on a 85% off sale. Just accept it, the Factorio devs are objectively the worst developers in the entire video game industry. They are more greedy than Activision and EA.
You aren't forced to buy Factorio either lol
>why is nobody else doing it in the gaming industry?
videocult did it with rain world before it happened to factorio, give it a month or two and you'll see big indies rising prices of their old games en masse
>why is nobody else doing it in the gaming industry?
Irrelevant.
>You think the Factorio dev faces some unique challenge having to pay a team of developers?
Who knows? It's his prerogative. He manages it, he decides the risks he takes (and rising the price of the game is also a risk, it should generally decrease sales, and if it decreases sales enough he'll have lost money in the end. Why do you think you should be able to run someone else's business? Do YOU know what challenges e faces?
>Again, should the next Assassins Creed game be sold for $700 because they easily have 10 times more developers to pay than the average studio?
I'm not saying what prices should be running, I'm saying you're not the one to decide, gay. Unless you go out there and make a game yourself, in which case I'll defend your right to set your prices. At worst I'll say it's a bad idea and that you're losing profits in the end or something.
The reason, fucktard, is that big companies shit out a new game every 2 years (at twice the price of Factorio) + most indie games have a fraction of the intrinsic value that Factorio does
If they didn't reduce the price after releasing Factorio 2, you would have a point
maybe release new product or make expansion pack worth its price, otherwise fuck off and die
>This is him increasing his own employees wages with inflation
Who gives a shit about his employees retard, the CONSUMERS wages have stagnated and this garden gnome has decided to jack up the price? No shit people are upset about it and rightfully so.
His employees are also customers of other products. Are you brain dead?
He does whatever he wants with his company that made a very successful game. You are a nobody, you have achieved nothing and you never will.
>His employees are also customers of other products. Are you brain dead?
So not me? Why should I care about shit they want to buy.
Still not me, they're getting a raise due to a price hike on a product which has already been completed and on sale for 6 years, as far as I'm aware they've done fuck all to earn it from consumers.
>factorio autist projecting his own shitty life on others
many such cases,sad
>Who gives a shit about his employees retard
uhhhhhhhhh he does? how much of a prole can you be?
He kept the price the same, dollars are worth less and you got poorer. If you want to blame someone blame the democrats who did it.
>$35 for a one time purchase of a game that you will own and can play forever is too much
Videogames are not a basic human need. Put 5 dollars away each if you're that strapped for cash and really want to play it.
Agree! at least that's what happening in 3rd word countries nowadays, inflation keep happening but the wages not increasing so WTF am I gonna do about it?!
does this indieshit really need a team of 30 people? maybe its time to downsize
I agree, but only assuming his game doesn't have a cash shop and all that other modern shit. If its a finish doroduxf that still gets dev support and shit, I'm fine with that.
I haven't pirated a game in over a decade, but if I ever felt like playing Factorio, I am going to make an exception. This developer is NEVER going to get a cent from me purely out of principle.
stfu you gay. you would have never bought the game. fuck off to resetera
Yes I would have. As I said, I don't pirate games and I would absolutely have checked it out if it was on sale for a fair price.
>$30 isn't a fair price for a game that has no microtransactions/no battlepasses/no rotating skin shop. A game that you can sink hundreds of hours in and play multiple times. A game that has recieved bug fixes for 6 years after its launch.
Get fucking real.
>the price is good because it doesn't have microtransactions
kys sheep
Way to not read my entire post. Guess I was expecting too much from double digit IQ gamers.
When did I say microtransactions were good? A dev puts out a complete game with none of the modern money grubbing tactics and people still don't want to buy it because its "not on sale"
all those things shouldnt be in any game. youve just been made to believe its okay goybrain
Trans rights 🙂
why the fuck do they have 30 people in their books? Like what are they even doing? Have they even released any info of a new DLC or something? Are they even working on something?
New DLC which as big as the original game and it will cost just as much.
Note the downvotes and that 80% of Ganker now has opinions indistinguishable from Reddit
>reddit thinks raping children is bad
>you agree
>you are reddit now
Classic manufactured Ganker outrage over nothing
So if deflation occurs, does this mean he'll lower the price?
Of course anon. Remember how all those devs halfed the price of their new releases because of record low interest rates and government injected cash. Just like how if their is a labor shortage fast food outlets will raise wages, rather than put up signs saying "drive thru not work, no people make burgers" and close their doors.
no
The fed (aka the banks) will never ever allow deflation. They control it completely and wanted this. 0 inflation would be ideal but they gaslit people for decades into thinking them taking 2% off the top was good. Now they realized how stupid people are and just went whole hog.
>implying deflation will ever happen again
>money loses value over time for no reason other than manufacturers, distributors, and retailers colluding to charge customers more for the same products they've always sold
Explain why we put up with this
Some inflation is good because it encourages people to spend, invest and pump the economy instead of sit on their money forever like a dragon
He's free to up the price of his videogame and I'm free to pirate it.
Destiny made the game too popular Sadge
Reading this thread makes me realize just how shitty gamers really are. The devs should have just sold the game for $60 originally and just put it on sale for $30 every so often. You retards will buy anything as long as its on sale, but not when its already half the price of a AAA release. Steams "Sale culture" really ruined the entire market.
most people would never touch a game like this for $60. It's not just Steam sale culture, you have sales everywhere. Amazon has sales of physical copies. Microsoft and Sony have sales on their stores. Brick and mortar stores have sales and frequently put old games into bargain bins etc. It's simply not normal to sell a 7 year old product for a higher price than at its release. Literally no one does this.
why do you think amazon raises the price of their shit right before Prime Day? It's so they can charge the same price with a huge SALE! DISCOUNT! tag on it and the shit works
normal businesses:
>price of energy has gone up, price of materials has gone up, this has cut the margin we have on our product so we must increase the price
garden gnomes:
>nothing has changed but this is a good way to get more money out of people
that söy latte doesnt heat itself, devs got to eat somehow
Why am I not surprised that users on this board, that don't buy jack shit, know nothing about inflation?
>see news
>delete my positive review on steam
>leave a negative one instead
>uninstall my steam copy
>pirate the game multiple times elsewhere
>only play the pirated copies from now on
You can still buy a key for 20€.
What is the problem here?
I looked at their website and they actually have a good amount of people working there - u less most of them are freelancers, which I doubt.
friendly reminder that game prices should always go down over time, never up
also, 30 years later, $20 is still the gold standard for game prices
>garden gnomes then
bazillion years old game now on sale! for the modest price of 29.99! grab it now
>garden gnomes now
bazillion years old game will increase price starting next week! grab it now while its 29.99
And you will kick and scream and get mad at everyone except the democrats making you poorer.
>inflation is running at 10% therefore I must increase my price or I'll miss out!
35$ for shitty indie game, lmao glad i pirated this garbage
Here it is for free:
http://gog-games.com/game/factorio
>gog version
oh no no no nobody tell him
what wrong with the gog version?
Let me guess: It's another semi-mutliplayer game that was abandoned on Gog?
Why would anyone play this when Satisfactory exists though? Even for free, its still an inferior game
oh sweet thanks a-
>gog version
yes a superior version
Don't care as I don't pay more than 20 bucks for a game/
This thread again ?
Software programmers are workers just like other engineer/scientist types, they have to get a degree for it, spend 8 hours a day in an office working, that office is physical space so the owner has to pay rent, electricity, heating etc, the computers aren't that expensive but the license fees on some software can be, although game devs would probably need rigs with very expensive GPUs to test their games.
If anyone here doesn't know, writing the software is not that hard but verifying it, making sure there wasn't any mistake in the reasonning, requires a lot of time, there are automatic ways to do it but even those have to be verified. It's possible to spend a whole week just trying to figure out a small problem which only becomes obvious after you figure out what it is.
This is normal.
>NEW console games
>game is out for 7 years
>put the price UP
Uhhh
Even Nintendo, who keeps their nearly decade old games at full price forever, isn't this greedy
Makes sense if it's a multiplayer game.
But yeah otherwise it's a cheap trick ( buy it now before it gets more expensive ), I personally don't feel bad about pirating games.
Huh now that I think about it, Factorio was the only game I bought full price in probably 10 years
My boss gave me a 13% pay raise to account for inflation.
Is this good?
fanboysisters.. we're losing!!
holy fuck
what a fucking joke
Even if your wage was increased to account for inflation you would still bitch and cry about this.
>inflation
lmao
Richest 1% bag nearly twice as much wealth as the rest of the world put together over the past two years
Published: 16th January 2023
Super-rich outstrip their extraordinary grab of half of all new wealth in past decade.
Billionaire fortunes are increasing by $2.7 billion a day even as at least 1.7 billion workers now live in countries where inflation is outpacing wages.
A tax of up to 5 percent on the world’s multi-millionaires and billionaires could raise $1.7 trillion a year, enough to lift 2 billion people out of poverty.
The richest 1 percent grabbed nearly two-thirds of all new wealth worth $42 trillion created since 2020, almost twice as much money as the bottom 99 percent of the world’s population, reveals a new Oxfam report today. During the past decade, the richest 1 percent had captured around half of all new wealth.
You think the developers of Factario are the 1%?
Who lied?
>You think the developers of Factario are the 1%?
no just saying this bout of "inflation" is just billionaires charging more for shit just because they can. They were already stupid rich and they want more and it will never stop
It's his game he can increase the price anytime, I am okay with that, but "MUH INFLATION" is a very dumb excuse to use, come on man, stop acting like a pseudo-intellectual man! Just tell everyone you want more money and your cult will still pay and buy your game happily. You already sold the game and gain profit from it, it's more than enough to cover your prior cost to produce the game and its development cost.
>thread theme
How often does a 7+ year old game rise in price? Seems like a real rare thing for a developer to be that deseparate to rape consumers.
2 year old game*
This is the only instance I have ever heard of, outside of early access games raising the price for the full release.
>This is the only instance I have ever heard of
older games get "re-released" all the time for updated pricing to reflect the current market. It's shockingly common
not really. They get re-released in GOTY editions or remastered editions and whatnot, but those always include added value, like all the DLCs or updated graphics and textures, better framerates on consoles etc. Even in the most shameless example with all those anniversary and ultimate editions of Skyrim, at least it isn't being sold more expensive than at release.
6 year old game*
It's 2023 bro.
It has not been 7 years since 25/02/2016
Act like a normal person
I am. Normal people don't only look at the year. Here's what you're trying to do
>Child born on 31/12/2022
>Time passes to 01/01/2023
>HE'S ONE YEAR OLD!
Cope, seethe, cry.
No, I see that it's almost 7 years old and just round up. You're autistic and are unable to do this and resort to extremes to prove your point.
Let's say you were born on 25/02/2005
Would you say you're 18 years old? Do you round up your own age and go to the bar? No. Not even American do that.
Yeah, they say they're 21 not 18. Stupid ESL.
Arrest yourselves and go to bed you unholy gays
>It's 2023 bro.
what're you talking about dude, it's still 2022 I have my calendar right h-
My piracy has been retroactively justified.
Not that I care, it's just funny.
This was a based decision because in the end it finally gave me the push I needed to buy the game instead of beating around the bush. Time to get into autism.
>Ganker commies are STILL seething at the free market
kek
>copyright
>the free market
choose one
DON'T RAISE PRICES ON VIDEO GAMES YOU FUCKIN gay
YOU KNOW WHAT A VIDEO GAME IS? IS A FUCKING LUXURY GOOD
LUXURY GOODS ARE THE FIRST THING TO GET CUT WHEN THE ECONOMY GET SIN TROUBLE
FUCK FUCK FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUU I HOPE NO ONE BUYS YOUR SHITTY GAME
actually luxury goods getting their costs bumped up isn't uncommon, for example regular "essential" groceries are only taxed 1% where I live, but non-essential or perhaps "luxury" goods like chocolate or soda are taxed 5.3%
fine but i still hope no one buys this gays game
>actually luxury goods getting their costs bumped up isn't uncommon
essential good like bread is up 1 dollar here in my shithole, and twice in 2022, and they are going up 1 dollar again next month.
bread is luxury good now huh I guess I better start buying flour and consume them with hot water instead
dude the price of eggs has gone from 3 bucks to 8 bucks over the past 12 months, it's fucking insane
egg is luxury good too that's the power of inflation turning everything into luxury, except my salary and neetbux, yes I am working and receiving neetbux at the same time because I have autism
>egg is luxury good too
Nobody realizes the cost of chickens themselves hasn't gone up. You can literally buy your own chickens and immeasurably improve your own lives.
chicken feed has gone up in price
You don't have to feed a chicken chicken feed. The primary reason to own a chicken is to feed it table scraps, which has proven to be very successful in reducing waste (as well as improving the world because chickenshit is rich in nitrogen)
It has nothing to do with this shit, it's because of the avian flu scare. Except the biggest egg distributors posted 0 cases and made like 65% more profit. The answer is capitalism.
>basic food ingredient is luxury good
what a world
well bread is still the same price where I live, maybe it's a supply issue
ummm sorry sweaty videogames are essential to my mental health care
I dont know how scummy is this because I dont care about their autism game. I would think it's bad because your game is old and you should just be making something new where you can charge whatever you want, not hiking up the price of your old famous product. On the otherhand if they're still working on it and adding content frequently then I guess that's justifiable
>pre-order AAA games plus pre-order season pass
>pirate Factorio
Simple as. At least AAA devils don't try to hide their gnomish visage.
will you be getting extra content?
there's literally nothing wrong with that post
But wait, purchasing power has gone down, not up.
>my girlfriend wanna buy a new LV bag next month
>I need more money to cover her luxury lifestyle
>gotta increase the price of my game to earn more money to feed my sexy wife
>have to come up with an excuse to not offend my loyal fanbase
>read the latest yahoo news
>INFLATION IS KILLING EUROPE THIS WINTER
>Good idea!
That's what happened behind the scene guys please understand this poor cuck have to buy more bags for her waifu if not she's going to leave him.
based and womanpilled
I have friend who commited suicide when his girlfriend broke up with him last year, he gave half of his salary to her every month, I told him that's a bad idea, this factorio guy is giving me this vibe it's like deja vu. A man will never turn greedy unless he is being manipulated by a woman, this is a life lesson that I will never forget, my friend commited suicide because he gave that woman his dad's insurance money to pay her education loan or some shit and she left him for another guy.
>projecting weirdly specific insecurities about women onto indie game developers
That's a you problem lmfao
Indie game dev always kill themself for woman, example alec howaka & zoe quinn controversy
A bunch of losers ITT. You can't imagine the pressure of being responsible for the financial future and creative independence of thirty people. If you're not willing to step beyond the safety of a salary and think about the demands on people that provide your stability, you shouldn't comment.
Yeah thirty people could actually sell new creative things instead.
It doesn't matter anyway, the market will decide.
I can't imagine the pressure of being responsible to my wife heavy spending luxury lifestyle.
>thirty people
>1 guy work full time
>29 contribute a little bit now and then, their pay is 100$ once per month for their contribution
>I HAVE 30 MOUNTHS TO FEED, TRUST ME
Nah, not falling for this.
Confirmed for never even being part of a productive team, let alone running one.
Yeah, this was a serious PR blunder. Should've planned the expansion timeline better.
>companies don't outsource their work
>trust me
Fuck off.
Do you have any evidence of outsourcing or are you just being disingenuous?
Do you have any evidence of 30 employees being full time workers?
>answers a question with a question
So you have nothing but conjecture, like I thought
why the fuck should the customers give a shit about how many salaries he has to pay? The Ubisoft Assassins Creed team is notoriously large, like 1000+ devs. Should an Assassins Creed game be 10x more expensive than a game made by 100 devs?
>10x more expensive
The only arguments I see are so laughably disingenuous.
that's a fucking stupid argument and you know it
>OH NO NO NO
yeah because yours is so epic
it's not even that, it's just basic logic. Price of inflation goes up, value of dollar goes down. Price of game increases to account for both factors. Kinda funny that the fucking Factorio dev of all people would get so much shit for following this basic thread of logic
This must be one of those things only math literate people get. The outrage about this makes no sense to me.
if it's his only source of income i guess it makes sense
>ITT westoids trusting a bunch of gnomish slavs
hahhaha any slavshit knows you don't deal with them
>thirty employee
It's his wife (not married in an open relationship).
https://take.supersurvey.com/poll4674286xb4D74679-146
Czechbros, is it really that bad? Says that the inflation got to 9,9% this year, but it can't be "we're increasing the game's price"-level bad.
> t. Ruskie with 12% inflation reported
I got my daily Meal voucher increased from 50 crowns to 55 crowns so 10% is right I guess
Man will only do evil thing when he is manipulated by a woman.
I bet this dude increased the price of the game twice because his wife told him to do so.
Definitely a golddigger wife.
Best part is that being a garden gnome he will only increase the sales from from people that were on the fence about buying it and future customers will pay $35 without a problem.
Factorio autist is the one guy I buy this Bs from because he's...well, because he's one guy and an autist
Hypothetical question for you all, based on this thread.
Let's say a game is releasing on March 1st with a $60 price tag. If they offered to let you pay $70 to get access to the game a week early, would you?
if it was a game I for sure knew I wanted, yes
Factorio, the game that has a no-sales policy meaning you'll always have to pay full price no matter how long the game was released.
Now also the only game that had its retail price increased over half a decade later, ever.
Expect their next game to have denuvo an a $5 price increase every year because of "inflation".
They're also releasing DLC that will be full priced. So I guess it'll be $70 to get the "full experience"
Of course, it's a FAIR PRICE after all.
Lol, Steam sales give good coverage they've probably made less money by not participating
lol they have something in common
how the fuck is this your favorite game with less than a hundred hours?
Piracy
I am going to make a prophecy here, the dev will commit suicide when his wife left him from another dude.
>dev chooses to make up some excuse about "adjusting for inflation" instead of just putting his game on sale like everyone else and printing money
Is this a "no such thing as bad publicity" thing? It seems like if he wanted more money there were other avenues open to him
It's the Matrix games model. Cultivate a niche by finding out the exact pricepoint where normalmorons will give your games a wide berth but enthusiasts will still flock to it
He's just an autist. Like, not the fucking meme kind. Idk why people are confused by this.
>putting his game on sale
See
They treat their game as a manufactured physical product, despite the game costing them absolutely no money to run since it's an offline singleplayer game with no new content.
If someone buys it then the price is by definition fair.
outrage only lasts about 2 weeks, everyone will forget and move on, I bet the devs could've just raise the prices without saying anything and no one would have noticed kek
I am not angry but I feel bad for this dude, I hope he wake up and stop giving his hard earned money to a woman.
>I hope he wake up and stop giving his hard earned money to a woman.
whats this meme about
Its not a meme, if you are a man beware of the woman snake.
>2 weeks
maybe less, people are fucking retarded
Sales sell you a lot of copies in the short term but decrease your future sales at normal price significantly, especially when your game has already reached "total coverage" on Steam for your genre, which Factorio must be pretty close to reaching due to how successful the game is. If they run sales they make more money for a few years but then they'll just run out of people to sell the game to anymore.
>but then they'll just run out of people to sell the game to anymore.
Then create new content to sell instead of expecting free money at your doorstep for a game made 10 years ago?
They still update the game and kovarex' reply means that they want to/are doing new projects. But games take time to make.
One minor bugfix per month, great.
>But games take time to make.
Not my problem. You expect customers to pay for development AND pay again at the end to play the game?
I don't expect anything. But if I make a really good game I can charge whatever I want because people will buy it. That's the position they find themselves in, and if I were them I'd so the same thing.
>2266 Like
Look at all those bootlickers.
And not even police bootlickers. Or military bootlickers. I get them, I do. But corporate bootlickers? They're something I'll never EVER get.
>indie games are corporate
Huh
How's the boot taste?
I hope you've never spent money anywhere brainlet, you're bootlicking if so
Why so emotional? We are all complicit and nothing can be done.
garden gnome MAD
I REPEAT
garden gnome IS MALDING
> A small indie studio is the same as a multi billion dollar corporation like Activision or Sony
When most multi billion $ corporations are pricing their products more fairly and reasonably, then yes, the indie dev is in fact the bad guy. Sony or Activision don't sell 7 year old games more expensive than on release. In fact, I can get pretty much any $70 triple A game for LESS than Factorio if I just wait for a sale in a year or 2.
Show me a multi billion dollar corporation that sells their games for $35 base price. You're a retard.
That's not what I said you fucking retard. I said I can get any triple A game for less than factorio if I wait for it to go on a sale. Witcher 3 was once a $60 full price release, 7 years later, I can get it for 5 bucks.
But you said they're priced more reasonably, which isn't objectively true in any measure.
Just look at Nintendo for simple evidence of AAA games not going on sale.
show me a multi billion dollar corporation that doesn't put their games on sales 7 years after release. I don't give a shit about the base price if a $70 game frequently goes on 75% off sales, it's still effectively cheaper than Factorio.
Sure, literally all of Nintendo's first party developers
okay, fair enough. So Microsoft, Sony, Ubisoft, Activision, EA are all more consumer friendly than the Factorio dev and the one company that is just as greedy and consumer unfriendly is Nintendo.
No, actually all of the other companies you mention fill their games with dlc, microtransactions, and publish multiple games per year
yeah, and even those greedy companies that will try to nickel and dime their audience as hard as they possibly can STILL aren't greedy and stupid enough to raise the base price of their games 7 years after release.
The point is that they don't need to because the base price doesn't matter when you can have an influx of cash from MTX or DLC. Factorio has neither.
Factorio devs are working on the DLC. Which they are going to sell for the same price as the base game by the way, so another incredibly scummy and greedy move that is unprecedented in this industry.
>DLC priced similarly to base game is unprecendented
You're unbelievably new lmfao
Why are you trying to gaslight me? I've been playing games since the 90s back when DLC meant actual expansion packs with dozens of hours of new content and even then it was NEVER sold at the same price as the base game.
Monster Hunter? Pokemon? Mario Kart? How about the entire concept of MTX in video games having thousand, if not tens of thousands of dollars of DLC available? You're either a complete retard or a disingenuous troll
I guess I just come from a different gaming background and am not very familiar with console gaming. From Opposing Force, to Aoe2 Conquerors, to Shivering Isles to Throne of Bhaal to Lord of Destruction and WC3 Frozen Throne I cannot think of a PC game that sold its expansion for the same price as the original game.
>I am unfamiliar with current gaming
Then stop arguing on Ganker, boomer.
He's exactly who should be posting here though.
current expansions don't usually do this either though. You keep bringing up Nintendo games and I already admitted that they are indeed as bad and greedy as Factorio dev. But that's pretty much it. Monster Hunter World is cheaper than Factorio by the way and goes on sales. Both the base game and Iceborn.
>don't usually
Lol
You have absolutely no defense of MTX and that's really all that needs to be said
RDR2 is less than $20 right now
Go live somewhere with no corporations and you might get a clue.
>corporate
little garden gnome mad he cant garden gnome White People?
Why does reddit get so mad about the pricing of games they have no interest in?
This is fucking hilarious. The only argument Gankereddit can produce against price increase is disingenuous bullshit.
>Inflation
Not my problem garden gnome.
>All this fuzz over a 16% increase on a game that has been bought by almost everyone that would like it
>It's still DRM free and easy as shit to crack the mod forum
>upset a game you already own is going to cost more
>upset a game that you haven't bought in 7 years is going to cost more
What am I missing
a brain
>i-it's about the message and how it affects muh community!!
said anons on /egg/, just pirate and move on fucking retards
>HOW DARE YOU MAKE MONEY!!??
Basically only that
its sets a precedent and retards defending it are annoying, honestly i dont give a fuck i was never going to buy this garbage game anyway
What precedent does it set?
AAA games increasing their price after a few years without even using the excuse of a """definitive""" edition
Explain how Factorio sets a precedent for AAA games lmao
>explain how greedy devs on steam set a precedent for greedy devs on steam
dunno
Nobody is "simping" for the price change and Factorio is not a AAA game. Cope and seethe.
Dishonest fucker
You can wait a year or two and the game will eventually go on sale, sometimes for less than $10
They literally just announced the change you braindead normie
>They literally just announced
The game has never been in sale, it's been 7 years. Where's the precedent?
Did you even read the OP post?
Reading comprehension? I'm saying if this will set a precedent then how come their retarded "no sales" politic has not spread to other companies in 7 years?
Sorry, i think we are arguing about two different things. The precedent im talking about is raising the price of the base game, not it never going on sale
>dishonest fucker
I accept your concession
so what you're saying is devs should actually sell games for 200$ base price and then put them on sale for $70 after a year so people can get a real bargain deal? Its just the sale that matters right? Not how much entertainment you can get out of it or how polished and complete the game is?
>MFW you simps would still buy it for $200
Because gays are simping hardcore for this price change, other companies will take notice and follow suit.
if that was true other companies would never do sales either but see
, just pirate you fucking retards
>factorio retarded devs never putting the game on sale will set a precedent and sales will be no more!!!!!!!!!!!
didn't happen did it lmao
I think increasing the price is a weird move but you're jumping waaaay too far ahead with that logic. We're not talking about Bethesda implementing horse armor leading to an increase in microtransactions levels of influence and AAA devs were already trying to push $70 for a game well before this.
AAA is already $70 + the other money siphoning tactics, they've been way ahead of the curve. Name 5 AAA game releases in the past 2 years that don't have some DLC or MTX in it
It's on GOG, what's the point of buying lmao
thanks for telling me about another piece of shit dev game that goes onto my block list
also i will pirate it and then instead of playing, i will put it right into the trash can
didn't know the studio behind Factorio was based in Tel-Aviv
>didn't know the studio behind Factorio was based
Me neither.
I have bought it already so who cares. Anyone who hasn't bought it yet is either someone who will never play it or a subhuman zoomer.
damn there are so many more poorfags than I thought
It must suck being poor and not knowing how to pirate.
Most poor people are stupid.
That's why they're poor.
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the fact that games for the longest time were around the same price, even though inflation has made a dollar from 2000 worth multiple times that since then, is kind of amazing. its funny that when big games went from 60 bucks to 70 or 80 bucks, people sperged out, even though they're actually still paying less than they did 20 years ago and games today have much bigger budgets
now you might say "well anon, the issue isn't the price per se, but the fact those games aren't worth it anymore, and they were back in 2000" and i'd agree. but then just don't buy those games. problem solved
This is the second price increase. It was originally $20 but then bumped to $30 in 2018.
fuck off leftypol
lmao get a load of this bootlicker I'm not watching this filth
>oh yes massa pay me less thank you for employing me
fucking pathetic gay you deserve to get fleeced for every cent
You won't be complaining if they lowered the price. Devs have the right of pricing their games however they want, and you have the freedom to put up with shit like this or not.
Personally, I won't.
Who do these retards think they are fooling? The game was released 7 years ago and they already made back the sunk cost to make the game a long time ago. It's not like they are running a business where cost is a constant factor against profits where you need to raise prices to keep said profits to keep the business afloat.
>people should only make as much money as I allow them to
I fucking hate socialists so much
>you should accept any price a producer asks of you
no, cumzoomer, in capitalism, the consumer and producer together decide the worth of a product
in a world where shit like apple or supreme exists that's funny to read kek
>>you should accept any price a producer asks of you
No. You can just
not
buy
the
game.
Holy fucking shit, fucking socialists.
> the consumer and producer together decide the worth of a product
And yet here you are, trying to pretend that you alone decide it. Here's the evil, ugly truth: you are irrelevant to the game's sales. If 35 bucks really is too much, the owner will end up losing money in the long run. Fucking socialists I swear.
>keep your mouth shut, you cannot have an opinion and cannot share it
go back to mother russia, gay
>every point gets refuted
>NOOOO YOU WON'T ALLOW ME TO HAVE MY OPINIONNNN
Absolute moron.
>call someone socialist
>"yes, i have won this discussion and have refuted his points adequately"
stop replying to me, you are not worthy of my attention
>go back to mother russia, gay
this statement automatically discards everything you say. bottom of the night to you
Did I say that gay? Using inflation as a reason is total bullshit.
>Did I say that gay?
Yes.
>Using inflation as a reason is total bullshit.
>Inflation doesn't affect you because... IT JUST DOESN'T, OK??!?!
>if you don't sell products at the prices I like then I hope you die
socialist mentality
the fuck is socialist in expecting work to be done lmao, hes asking handouts for his shitty 7 year old game because his 30 employees need it, sure work for it you lazy gay.
>the fuck is socialist in expecting work to be done lmao,
You want to determine how he should run his business. That's socialism.
i dont give a fuck and hope he goes bankrupt, still will laugh and point out his retarded decision making.
I know it says "inflation" but really why? He isn't adding new content, overhead costs aren't going up. Why not just say I'm increasing the price because I feel like it.
pls understand, we are very poor and need more money
>thinking all that money goes directly into the devs pocket
>what are taxes
>what are salaries for stuff
>what is steams 30% cut
>what is 30 x 7,500,000
>what is regional pricing
https://steamdb.info/app/427520/
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the price is in dollars
The dev is Czech.
when did the commies invade Ganker?
same time you bootlickers did
>people shouldn't be forced by others to do things if they're not violating other people's property or threatening to
>hmmm so... that means you're le bootlicker????
I fucking hate socialists so much
???
they put the price up by more than that
Didn't buy it before, won't buy it now. Don't see the issue, let him be a fag if he wants to. People who were on the edge will panic buy it now, the rest will pirate(already pirated, rather) it or just move on since the game was never for them anyway. People will go full
>doesn't affect me
like they do with censorship or anything in life really until it does affect them.
I genuinely can't tell if you people are vatnik bots still butthurt because he mentioned that some of his people were in ukraine, or twitter lefties still butthurt about his telling cancle culture gays to fuck off. which ever it is, this "outrage" reeks of people being assblasted about anything but the price.
>all this false flagging
Holy moly you people are mentally insane
>literally everything getting more expensive
>but not my video boo boos they must be exempt from reality
huh?
Stop false flagging
what? nice digits though
You're pretending to be someone who supports the dev because you have an agenda. It's painfully obvious. As are all the other people in here "defending" him. No rational thinking person would actually share your opinion.
It's perfectly rational, just not socially "acceptable".
Stop false flagging
I don't think you know what that means.
False flag: a misrepresentation of affiliation or motivation or a false equivalence deliberately put forth to manipulate the context, perception, or frame of an action, object, or argument
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/false-flag
So you're falseflagging by manipulating perception through the denial of rational posters that know a $5 price hike is nothing to screech over. Thanks anon!
But what does it mean?
It means you're pretending to be supporting the dev with irrational arguments in an attempt to rile other people up to be against them.
What's irrational?
That inflation should affect the price of older games.
the game is still being updated
gamers are so fucking entitled its unreal
Now I see why AAA devs are pushing live service so hard.
Because it was worth its price at its time. Over time its value decreases as new technology is created and gameplay is refined. Should cars increase in value over time? Should doom 1993 cost $150?
Its 5 dollars increase for 7 years of upgrades.
Gamers are so fucking entitled.
>7 years of upgrades.
more like 7 years to finally get out of early access
It was in early access for less than 4
How much cope do you have?
>over time its value decreases as gameplay is refined
That makes literally no sense. Digital goods don't depreciate. It's a better, smoother, and more content-rich game than it was at launch.
I mean as newer games refine gameplay
>he wants modern games to refine gameplay
literal reddit tourist
I haven't been using reddit a lot since the_donald got banned. cope
>literally admitting to being both a redditor and a 4chan tard in one comment
no thanks
There was literally nothing wrong with reddit until conservatives started being censored
>REDDITORS UNIRONICALLY BELIEVE THIS
>no argument
You LITERALLY have no argument retard
>falling for false flagging
Literal retard
Stop false flagging
Newer games don't inherently refine gameplay. There are worse sandbox games than Factorio that released after it.
That's fine then that the price went up because they re-evaluated its value and think it's worth a price increase since they've added more content and improved it. That's nothing new. But when you say it's because of "inflation" what the fuck does that entail for all other older games? Does that mean they should all increase with inflation as well?
It doesn't entail shit for all other older games. It is this team's decision based on a variety of factors. Fearmongering about all other indie devs making their decisions based on Factorio is unbelievably stupid, even more so when you consider that they haven't ever put the game on sale, but that somehow hasn't caused ripples in indie game sale pricing.
Why is that irrational?
>only the goods I accept to have price hiked are acceptable, if I don't like it then the price hike shouldn't exist!
Nobody enjoys the price hikes you fucking socialist moron. It's the fault of the government destroying the value of money.
Your greentext is LITERALLY what you're saying. Holy shit lmao
Stop moving goalposts
can you still play multiplayer with the pirated version?
Ridin' with Biden baby
>complaining about 5 dollars
get a fucking job jesus christ
Stop false flagging
get a fucking job commies
This really got the communist trannies seething, didn't it?
fuck yeah dude i love spending more money on everything to own the commies
samefags running rampant
It's a Discord that keeps making this thread over and over again, of course they're samefagging
which discord
chud communist
So they fit right into Ganker then?
Ganker is a fascist board
Here are some valid points:
>I think this is a bad idea, people won't pay for it. He's mispricing the game.
>35 is too expensive for the game, I refuse to buy it.
>35 is too expensive for the game, I will now pirate it.
Here's a wrong point:
>He said he'd keep the pricing, so rising it means he's breaking his promise.
If you believe this, you're being disingenuous. Imagine if we had 1000% inflation, should then prices stay the same? Oh, but THEN the socialist retards would maybe be able to notice that the prices went up and then they would be ashamed to try to defend that the game should stay the same price.
Here's one of the most retarded takes of all time:
>The game has been playable for X time, therefore I value the game less.
Here are socialist cuck completely invalid points:
>I'm really angry at him rising the prices, how dare him, I hope he dies.
>I'm angry at someone else getting money for the work and decisions he made.
>I'm going to buy the game and review it negatively, that will show him!
Fascism is socialism with a cooler flag. Fuck off.
>every opinion I don't like is socialist
Into the garbage can
>Into the garbage can
Yeah, that's where socialist opinions go.
Also
>trying to tell other people how to run their business
>th-this is not socialist guys omg he's generalizing! that's.. that's actually capitalism!!!
Yes that is literally capitalistic, it's a business owner making an independent decision. Socialist is not an adjective.
>it's a business owner making an independent decision.
Yup.
>Socialist is not an adjective.
Indeed, it's an insult. Which is what you are. And you trying to tell what the business owner should be doing is also socialist. Fucking socialists.
>agrees
>continues to use socialist as an adjective
That's like saying people who are mad at McDonalds making a hash brown $3 when it used to be $.50 are socialist. You're a goop-brained tribalist.
>Consumers in a market shouldn't be able to have preferences in how businesses should be run
My brother what the fuck are you talking about? Anyways, I hope you don't hold any shares in a company, because that would probably make you a socialist in your view.
>My brother what the fuck are you talking about?
The socialists are talking as if it's unnacceptable to rise the price to 35. If they were saying
>I think this is a bad idea, people won't pay for it. He's mispricing the game.
>35 is too expensive for the game, I refuse to buy it.
>35 is too expensive for the game, I will now pirate it.
Then it would be fine.
When they say
>how DARE him? I hope he dies
That makes them socialists.
>>The game has been playable for X time, therefore I value the game less
So this is retarded, but saying the game is not worth $35 without giving any explanation at all is a valid point? Because I guarantee the age of the game is a major factor for most people saying the game isn't worth the asking price.
>$35 without giving any explanation at all
He said that it's because of inflation. Your feelings do not make the reason irrelevant, it only makes you said/angry.
Said people should stop buying from McDonalds and go eat somewhere else, not talk about how McDonalds should be destroyed. That's socialism.
>not talk about how McDonalds should be destroyed
What the fuck are you talking about? Nobody is advocating for Factorio to be destroyed. You can't follow a simple analogy?
This poster
literally said the dev should die.
Good try, but that's a swing and a miss.
>NUH UH
Why even bother posting such a useless post? You could have just kept quiet, saved my time and yours.
>evidence of people wanting the game destroyed is telling a dev to fuck off and die on Ganker
Why even bother posting such a useless post? You could have just kept quiet, saved my time and yours.
>people talking about X is evidence that people are talking about X
Well, yes. This is what we were talking about. Did you forget already, peanut brain?
>if I say two things are equivalent that means they DEFINITELY are
We can all read the thread, newfriend.
You wanted me to say, in my example, that socalists would want to kill the owners of McDonalds then? Is that what you're sperging about? C'mon now.
That would be logically consistent with the other posts, yeah. But the real problem with your disingenuous post is that nobody is advocating for anything to be destroyed or killed besides some anonymous poster.
Killing the owner is even worse than destroying the restaurant. I took it more lightly than I could have.
>your disingenuous post is that nobody is advocating for anything to be destroyed or killed besides some anonymous poster.
>people talking about X is not a good example of people talking about X
Holy cope.
>socialists want to destroy McDonalds
>actually, an anonymous guy who isn't really a socialist just said that online
Lmfao
, an anonymous guy who isn't really a socialist
Who ever said he isn't a socialist? He wants to harm innocent people, hes DEFINITELY a socialist.
>Killing the owner is even worse than destroying the restaurant
No, owner is only one person, restaurant provides jobs for many people
>Nuh uh, he never said anything about destroying Factorio, he just wanted to KILL THE DEVS, TAKE THAT HAHA
>telling someone to fuck off and die is WANTING TO KILL THEM
I've yet to see a post from the "everyone is a socialist" camp that isn't nonsense hyperbole
actually i meant for his company to die but i dont give a fuck he can drop dead too.
Very socialist of you.
stop quoting me you low iq schizoid
Holy cope. Just stop posting, you're anon, nobody will remember your embarassment except yourself 10 minutes from now. Fucking socialist moron.
>socialist
you are both retarded and mentally ill, consider suicide
>He said that it's because of inflation. Your feelings do not make the reason irrelevant, it only makes you said/angry
When I said "no explanation", I was referring to the people saying the game isn't worth the asking price, dummy. According to
, it's valid to say the game isn't worth $35, until you actually explain why you don't think it's worth $35. Then suddenly you're a retard.
>According to
>I think this is a bad idea, people won't pay for it. He's mispricing the game.
>35 is too expensive for the game, I refuse to buy it.
>35 is too expensive for the game, I will now pirate it.
Here's a wrong point:
>He said he'd keep the pricing, so rising it means he's breaking his promise.
If you believe this, you're being disingenuous. Imagine if we had 1000% inflation, should then prices stay the same? Oh, but THEN the socialist retards would maybe be able to notice that the prices went up and then they would be ashamed to try to defend that the game should stay the same price.
Here's one of the most retarded takes of all time:
>The game has been playable for X time, therefore I value the game less.
Here are socialist cuck completely invalid points:
>I'm really angry at him rising the prices, how dare him, I hope he dies.
>I'm angry at someone else getting money for the work and decisions he made.
>I'm going to buy the game and review it negatively, that will show him!
Fascism is socialism with a cooler flag. Fuck off.(You), it's valid to say the game isn't worth $35, until you actually explain why you don't think it's worth $35. Then suddenly you're a retard.
Go into detail, what do you mean? Which of the quotes are you talking about? Are you being vague on purpose?
Suiciding where I live isn't easy because of socialists like you who think you can tell me how to live my life.
>>35 is too expensive for the game, I refuse to buy it.
>>35 is too expensive for the game, I will now pirate it
These are listed as "valid points"
>>The game has been playable for X time, therefore I value the game less.
This is listed as a retarded take, even though it's just a guy saying why he doesn't think the game isn't worth $35.
>These are listed as "valid points"
Of course. That's merely stating the person's preference and how he's reacting to the price change.
>This is listed as a retarded take, even though it's just a guy saying why he doesn't think the game isn't worth $35.
It is a retarded take, yes, because games don't change since release. Being unable to explain something is better than giving a retarded explanation, for sure. Where's the issue?
This is what stormfags actually believe when there is no serious fascist movement anywhere
There's no inflation, the price of things is just going up due to Unrelated Issues.
This whole thread reeks of mental illness. Was anyone here actually going to buy the game before this?
>460 replies
you guys are so stupid it's funny, you're like morons of gaming. You are being used to advertise the game and you don't even understand it.
For me, personally, I think factorio should cost $80 imo. Definitely worth it. I'll support him with whatever price increases he goes with! He deserves it.
2D games should never cost more than $5, we aren't in the 60s anymore, this is unacceptable.
I made this argument ages ago, talking about all the weeb developers leaving homeconsoles for the DS
>why do I have to play weebshit on a one inch screen with Nintendo 64 graphics at full price in 2007?
>autistic screeching
It feels like watching reruns of that time
If it was $80 I'd probably have pirated it instead.
Then after 200+ hours of gameplay I'd probably have ended up buying it anyway.
>Remember when Ganker said digital games would save developers money and they would pass the money to the customers?
I think that's only in your mind.
>First they mindbreak the trannies
>Next they mindbreak Ganker
fucking kek. Factorio devs are based
The trannies are the ones making these threads though
Remember when Ganker said digital games would save developers money and they would pass the money to the customers?
That's ok, nobody else remembers either. Now the average game with all the dlc is well above 120 usd.
Go buy Monster Hunter Rise with ALL the dlc, tell me how much it costs you.
>but the dlc is optional
It would've been on one disc, maybe two with a director's cut.
yeah whtever
where is the expansion you fucking gays
I need NEW and more POTENT cracktorio
>Minecraft adds more shit
>Minecraft increases the price
>nobody complains
>Shovel Knight adds more shit
>Shovel Knight increases the price
>nobody complains
>Factorio adds more shit
>Factorio increases the price
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I AM SUPPOSED TO ENJOY THIS FOR THIRTY DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gamer entitlement was and still is very real
Everybody complained for Minecraft's and Shovel Knight's price hikes. Stop lying to us.
Factorio didn't add more shit
Confirmed for not reading patch notes.
>basic maintenance is the same thing as Minecraft's yearly updates
You are a retard
New thread? You shitposting newfags need to be contained.
Free market of ideas, baby!
Containment is communism
I don't get what's the big problem here
>all this bitching over $5
cringe
The 5$ doesn't mean anything, this is really about their transition surgery cost and they're seething at the dev as a way to vent about it
>The 5$ doesn't mean anything
good
shut the fuck up then
Learn to read
shut the fuck
get a job
stop bitching about five fucking dollars
Learn to read
>It's just 5 dollars. What's a 10 dollar increase? Can't you afford 20 dollars? It's only a hundred dollars come on now just pay the goy fee.
>>It's just 5 dollars
yup
5 dollars
rude
scamming and bootlicking does not count
also donate to his patreon,
FIVE
~
FIVE DOLLAR
~
FIVE DOLLAR FACT-O
you want 5 dollars? work for it gay
>it's just a measly $5
goy! No need to kvetch!
get a fucking job hippies
>hippies
oy howard, hows that lawn goin?
did ya receive that walking stick as a birthday present yet?
get a job
I do have a job howard, I am not as lucky as you to retire yet ho ho ho
you don't have a job
you're not working
get a job
I slack off at work, that doesn't mean I don't have a job however
You did it as well when you were my age
>Ganker defends greedy devs now
I hate election tourists so goddamn much.
They're pretending to be retarded
back to
leftypol only invades pol.
pol however, invades everyone else
Just added factorio as a filter 🙂
>digital game
>never on sale
>features being held back for dlc anyway
Insanely gnomish
At least Nintendo does like, 30% off once a year for their games digitally and doesn't raise their prices, and they're about as gnomish as it gets.
Oh, btw, I don't see any replies with the word "factorio" in it because I just filtered it. Just thought I'd let everyone know 🙂
fucking commie bullshit
Once again, I'm letting you know I can't see replies with the word "factorio" in it because I have it filtered
>FIVE
>FUCKING
>DOLLARS
>makes russians seethe
>makes redditors seethe
>mods are welcome
>game is optimized beyond all hell
>probably the most autistic game ever created
kvetching over 5 dollars is fucking hilarious
>kvetching over 5 dollars is fucking hilarious
FIVE
GODDAMN
DOLLARS
KEK
>makes russians seethe
>game price affect me downloading it from rutracker in any way
you are so gay, holy shit
Ok. Give me 5 dollars in crypto then
The price just went 5 dollars higher!
NOOOOOOOO
FIVE
WHOLE
DOLLARS
I'm gonna be honest. If they just shadow dropped the price increase without saying anything, I wouldn't be upset. It's the "muh inflation" bit that pisses me off.
>inflation doesn't exist because... IT JUST DOESN'T OK???
>inflation exist because garden gnomes said so
>they have no reason to lie to me
Stay poor
>inflation is extremely prevalent in communist countries
>communism is a gnomish creation
Really makes you think
TIL america is communist while china and north korea are capitalist
China is late stage communist (capitalist)
>communist countries
Such as Cuba (yeah, not a big list of communist countries)? They do not have such huge inflation as capitalist countries.
>they said
Stay greedy
Let's be real here. It isn't about inflation. It's about making more money. I appreciate honesty far more than excuses.
>money is worth less now
>what are we gonna do?
>well we can't increase the price because someone on Ganker doesn't understand basic economics... so I don't know man
>Doom 1993 should be worth $150!
correct
Why is Ganker filled with poorfags? just pay
because nazis are cowards
>because nazis are cowards
>worth
You don't understand economics.
Whoever owns the game at the moment sells the game for the price they believe will get them the most profit. If it's short term or long term, that's for them to decide. Hell, there might even be cases where they want to get some pocket change and don't really care about maximizing profits, they just want to sell more for whatever reason. Maybe to get the brand solidified, or maybe some other reason entirely.
So then they increased the price not because of inflation but because they want to make more money. Ergo my original post.
>you see, billionaires now have trillions to their names
>you understand who you have to pay more, right?
No, not really. Why their money (they are not gonna use anyway) affect me?
>>you see, billionaires now have trillions to their names
What?
>>you understand who you have to pay more, right?
I never said that you understand anything.
. The number changes but what matters is the value of money. That's what they're trying to keep the same by increasing the number. 5 bucks does not buy what 5 bucks used to buy 10 years ago.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>FIVE DOLLARS
>IS FIVE DOLLARS MORE THAN I CAN HANDLE
>YOU CAN'T DO THIS
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>she's still false flagging
>xe's moving goalposts
>she/they is STILL false flagging even at page 10
>all this bitching over 5 dollars
you could've made that 5 dollars already if you worked instead of bitched
>xe is STILL moving goalposts even at page 11
get a fucking job commies
scamming and cootlicking does not count
>people getting paid for their work is scamming
GET
A
JOB
COMMIE
SCAMMING AND BOOTLICKING DOES NOT COUNT YOU garden gnome
He adjusted exactly the percentage amount that the consumer price index increased from the beginning of 2020 until now. The effective cost of the game is identical assuming your wages were also increased over that time period. Looking at the average hourly wage from the beginning of 2020 until now, we see that same percentage increase of roughly 15-16%. Therefore it makes perfect sense what he's doing, I can't comprehend why people have fault with this other than being either mathematically or economically illiterate.