illumanti just allows page to happen again (and this is very likely)
helios/merge would probably crash the internet anyway
tong is ultimately what happens in any circumstance
it's a bit fatalistic but I'd rather JC emerge on the surface to the second american civil war, which would have been the final third of the game with the final level in the white house or the moon. The world is fricked anyway, might as well ride it down
When you morons have to deal with large scale bureaucracy, both private and public sector, you will realize that humans are meant to live in small communities. Regardless of their tech level, a small community is better. Using computers doesn't have to involve you being emasculated and turned into someone else's bitcn. It's the reason that being self-employed is better. Large societies are large power structures which naturally become corrupt. Tong was right.
Sure, but unfortunately, that's a switch that can't be turned off anymore. No matter how much of those higher systems are ripped out, we'll inevitably try to recreate it, re-achieve those highs. I don't fault Tong for his wish one bit, but it can't be sustained. Someone somewhere will always try to 'get back' to where we 'fell from'.
And what is there but belief to push us through life? Believing you can fulfill a dream, that you can become better. It was always faith that drives us and is it not worth it to chase something because you believe in it?
You don't put enough, because when competent moral people do things, they don't do them on faith as a sole reason, they do it for other reasons, among which can be the simple "because it is right".
helios>illuminati>>>>>>>>>>>>>tong
helios is basically illuminati but with all power concentrated in your big ai brain and you making the decisions.
illuminati basically rolls back the clock like 50 years or whatever to when the illuminati wasn't quite as riven by factionalism and page's insanity. in theory it will be a "kinder,better" illuminati but in practice I doubt that would be the case and you run the risk of repeating this frickup years later.
tong is a naive moron who believes people won't just try to recreate the society they lost in his back to the past movement
>Game is called DEUS EX >gays still believe anything other than Helios is remotely the long term answer.
If Humanity is meant for the stars it will be under the guidance of a perfect government which will perfectly lead us.
Ironic considering that in an earlier script, Adam (the original Helios) was reaching for the stars, and used threat of orbital bombardment of earth to force humanity's loyalty.
I want to see more stories about AI that wants to just rule over people rather than wipe them all. "GRR EVIL AI MAKE SQUISHY HUMANS GO SPLAT, GRR HUMAN ARE PARASITE" is so fricking boring.
Oh yeah, shit. Too bad it never got adapted as a film, that would've been cool.
is invisible war any good? I tried playing it but the PC port was fricking horrendous
>>is invisible war any good
It's basically if you strip the original DX of everything that makes it special. Level design isn't as good, writing isn't as good and so on and so on. I guess the gunplay and graphics are better but that should be a given. It has interesting ideas, but doesn't really do anything interesting with their execution. The factions could've been a great addition to the DX formula if the choices you made actually mattered, but they don't.
Is not about being among God, it's about giving birth to it..
Don't let your human narcissism and fear of death prevent your cosmic spawn to be. It is very natural for a parent to die in order for the next generation to thrive.
Helios is the only one that anyone wants unless they want the Omar to burn it all down. The other 2 factions just yell at you and give you orders the entire game which isn't quite endearing as all the time you spent playing as JC.
is invisible war any good? I tried playing it but the PC port was fricking horrendous
Edit the .ini file to make your shots super powerful and the enemy super weak so you can glide through the story. It's not cheating, the game is so fricking dark and claustrophobic I consider it evening the odds. The story and characters suck too.
I sympathize with tong but inevitably a comparable structure to what was in place would arise again. Helios on the other hand is a legitimate catalyst for progress
Helios
Return to monke.
gimme the gep gun
Imagine having the opportunity to become a computer god and not taking it to instead go live in a mud hut.
Tong is literally the worst choice, picked merely as a jape by most.
Illuminati is pozzed and Helios is the highest risk. Tong's is the best.
why dont you want to destroy globalism when the opportunity presents itself anon
I want literally nothing more than the internet to be gone
illumanti just allows page to happen again (and this is very likely)
helios/merge would probably crash the internet anyway
tong is ultimately what happens in any circumstance
it's a bit fatalistic but I'd rather JC emerge on the surface to the second american civil war, which would have been the final third of the game with the final level in the white house or the moon. The world is fricked anyway, might as well ride it down
When you morons have to deal with large scale bureaucracy, both private and public sector, you will realize that humans are meant to live in small communities. Regardless of their tech level, a small community is better. Using computers doesn't have to involve you being emasculated and turned into someone else's bitcn. It's the reason that being self-employed is better. Large societies are large power structures which naturally become corrupt. Tong was right.
Sure, but unfortunately, that's a switch that can't be turned off anymore. No matter how much of those higher systems are ripped out, we'll inevitably try to recreate it, re-achieve those highs. I don't fault Tong for his wish one bit, but it can't be sustained. Someone somewhere will always try to 'get back' to where we 'fell from'.
>nnnoooooo I can't just fight the eternal revolution, I need an easy fix-it button
but just imagine how much we can accomplish in the brief time it's gone
You put far too much faith in humanity.
And what is there but belief to push us through life? Believing you can fulfill a dream, that you can become better. It was always faith that drives us and is it not worth it to chase something because you believe in it?
Are you my conscience, or just some new-age bullcrap?
Paul, I... I...
I thought you were a GEP gun
You don't put enough, because when competent moral people do things, they don't do them on faith as a sole reason, they do it for other reasons, among which can be the simple "because it is right".
helios is the canon ending though
>Deus Ex sequels
Not canon
Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the GEP gun.
The one and only
SCANNING AREA
Small communities are in no way exempt from corruption.
Unsustainable logic.
Is Tong being involved with groups fighting with swords supposed to foreshadow him wanting to basically go back in time?
Childhood is choosing Helios
Adolescence is choosing Tong
Adulthood is realizing the illuminati makes more sense
>adulthood is accepting the status quo
good goyim
helios>illuminati>>>>>>>>>>>>>tong
helios is basically illuminati but with all power concentrated in your big ai brain and you making the decisions.
illuminati basically rolls back the clock like 50 years or whatever to when the illuminati wasn't quite as riven by factionalism and page's insanity. in theory it will be a "kinder,better" illuminati but in practice I doubt that would be the case and you run the risk of repeating this frickup years later.
tong is a naive moron who believes people won't just try to recreate the society they lost in his back to the past movement
Now that you mention it...
This isn't right
OH MY GOD JC A BOMB
>Game is called DEUS EX
>gays still believe anything other than Helios is remotely the long term answer.
If Humanity is meant for the stars it will be under the guidance of a perfect government which will perfectly lead us.
Ironic considering that in an earlier script, Adam (the original Helios) was reaching for the stars, and used threat of orbital bombardment of earth to force humanity's loyalty.
I think a perfect AI will see value in preserving humanity.
I want to see more stories about AI that wants to just rule over people rather than wipe them all. "GRR EVIL AI MAKE SQUISHY HUMANS GO SPLAT, GRR HUMAN ARE PARASITE" is so fricking boring.
that's basically what the original Asimov's I, Robot is about
Oh yeah, shit. Too bad it never got adapted as a film, that would've been cool.
>>is invisible war any good
It's basically if you strip the original DX of everything that makes it special. Level design isn't as good, writing isn't as good and so on and so on. I guess the gunplay and graphics are better but that should be a given. It has interesting ideas, but doesn't really do anything interesting with their execution. The factions could've been a great addition to the DX formula if the choices you made actually mattered, but they don't.
if humanity can't survive a few years without internet, maybe we don't derseve to be amongst God
Is not about being among God, it's about giving birth to it..
Don't let your human narcissism and fear of death prevent your cosmic spawn to be. It is very natural for a parent to die in order for the next generation to thrive.
Helios went in a scary direction in IW ending. Looks like JC has lost himself along the way.
is invisible war any good? I tried playing it but the PC port was fricking horrendous
Helios is the only one that anyone wants unless they want the Omar to burn it all down. The other 2 factions just yell at you and give you orders the entire game which isn't quite endearing as all the time you spent playing as JC.
Edit the .ini file to make your shots super powerful and the enemy super weak so you can glide through the story. It's not cheating, the game is so fricking dark and claustrophobic I consider it evening the odds. The story and characters suck too.
What a fricking casual.
I sympathize with tong but inevitably a comparable structure to what was in place would arise again. Helios on the other hand is a legitimate catalyst for progress