Troika

so far ahead of their time

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I loved Bloodlines and liked Arcanum. Should I play Temple as well?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Toee is easily the best dnd game ever, with tons of problems.
      Nowadays there are community patches for most of it.
      In toee vanilla some rodents killed by lv1 team before they ever arrived in the city. :/
      It's a difficult game.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        the rats at the beginning of fallout are rough

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          This horror was DIFFERENT.
          Still have heavy ptsd from that day.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Toee is easily the best dnd game ever
        Maybe because it was an adaptation from an actual paper DnD module(s).

        Like... there are a lot of modules that were not adapted to a newish game format it's a shame.

        They got the edition rules and the setting they just need to adapt it and present it to a wider audience.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nope, Low Magic Age is.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao @ this guy

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They are all vastly different
      It's really hard to say if someone will like a game like TOE without trying it. I love it. But it did filter a lot of people. You gotta like difficulty games that punish you for making mistakes you had no way of avoiding without trial and error or having knowledge of the game before playing it.
      I for example, don't mind that at all. I like to be challenged at all times in every aspect of the game, including game knowledge itself.

      I don't know if they were ahead of their time, really. Arcanum was an iteration on the Fallout formula (which Tim Cain created!), which drew heavily from Dark Sun: Shattered Lands. Temple of Elemental Evil was an adaptation of a D&D module from the 80s. Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines drew from games like Deus Ex, Arx Fatalis, Thief and Fallout. I think, rather than innovating, they did things masterfully. All three games they made were excellent examples of their medium, and it's a shame that they've only come to be appreciated in hindsight.

      I agree
      Can't stop thinking about what would have been if their talent was matched with good amount of resources for development (which they obviously didn't have)
      VTM:B and TOE would have likely been vastly vaaastly better games. You can just feel the lack of simple polish as you play.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know if they were ahead of their time, really. Arcanum was an iteration on the Fallout formula (which Tim Cain created!), which drew heavily from Dark Sun: Shattered Lands. Temple of Elemental Evil was an adaptation of a D&D module from the 80s. Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines drew from games like Deus Ex, Arx Fatalis, Thief and Fallout. I think, rather than innovating, they did things masterfully. All three games they made were excellent examples of their medium, and it's a shame that they've only come to be appreciated in hindsight.

        And what I mean is that the formula and skeleton (i suppose) of these games (which is the hard part to design) is done so fricking well. Masterfully even, as you said.

        And the reason I often think about that "what would have been" is because polishing those formulas would have been the EASIER part. If it weren't for the lack of resources.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Toee is easily the best dnd game ever, with tons of problems.
      Nowadays there are community patches for most of it.
      In toee vanilla some rodents killed by lv1 team before they ever arrived in the city. :/
      It's a difficult game.

      Temple is only one that kind of struggled, the other two were instant classics at launch. Temple is still a cult classic though, especially with the community fixes/additions.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      its probably the most d&d rpg but theres alot of issues its like 20% good game and 80% buggy frick

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Arcanum
    Ok.
    >ToEE
    Great.
    >VTM:B
    Bad.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >VTM:B
      >Bad.
      Gay

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know if they were ahead of their time, really. Arcanum was an iteration on the Fallout formula (which Tim Cain created!), which drew heavily from Dark Sun: Shattered Lands. Temple of Elemental Evil was an adaptation of a D&D module from the 80s. Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines drew from games like Deus Ex, Arx Fatalis, Thief and Fallout. I think, rather than innovating, they did things masterfully. All three games they made were excellent examples of their medium, and it's a shame that they've only come to be appreciated in hindsight.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it's a shame that they've only come to be appreciated in hindsight.
      What are you talking about? Troika has been beloved forever, all 3 games were huge for the crpg crowd because they were basically the only big budget ones coming out at the time. I mean Arcanum only sold a quarter million copies but that was a huge success for a pc game in the early 2000s

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I played them all as they came out and loved them. But if they had done well, Troika wouldn't have closed shortly after Bloodlines. I'm glad that they've received the attention they deserved in recent years, but outside of a hardcore RPG crowd they weren't always as well-known.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Both Temple and Arcanum sold well, although Temple didn't review very well. Only vampire underperformed

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >releasing buggy unfinished games fixed by modders
    truly groundbreaking

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Chad behavior

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        gigachad, anon. frick making money and frick giving your employees stable jobs, that's cuck shit.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They were groundbreaking, yeah

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        i'm not being sarcastic. it's common practice nowadays.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    VTMB is their only good game and it was buggy as hell when it released
    the other two are garbage with one of them being an overrated turd

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What video games do you like? I'm curious.
      Can I guess? Morrowind? Japanese games?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        kek i literally uninstalled Morrowind yesterday, such a shit game i gave it many chances and even tried mods to fix it's garbage combat but no it still sucks
        >Japanese games?
        only few JRPG's are good then again the same can be said about WRPG's
        oh and let me guess you think turds like Baldur's Gate and Planespace are the peak of the genre huh?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Morrowind is garbage
          I agree
          >Baldur's Gate is the peak of the genre
          Are we talking about D&D based RPGs & cRPGs? If so then arguably, yes. But not because the game itself is god knows what, but because the rest of the genre sucks for the most part. Only a handful of games are worth mentioning

          I don't understand your taste in games. What do you play? I can't concieve how anybody who's not a drooling TES moron or a jarpig could dislike Arcanum and TOE E

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            every RPG using D&D rulset is trash, even games like Drakensang using German autism RPG rulset are trash
            this is why Dragon Age Origins is superior to KOTOR and Divinity OS is far superior to Neverwinter Nights, because they didn't use that god awful outdated system
            ToEE is garbage for this reason as for Arcanum it's simply a dull and boring game with horrible gameplay and terrible setting (frick your steampunk shit)
            Arcanum came in 2001 and it does not come close to the level of the good RPG's released that year such as Wizardry 8, Wizardy TOTFL, King's Field 4, Growlanser 2...... it's insane how you contrarians and pseuds decided to latch unto
            speaking of TES Skyrim is the only good one, mainly because the combat is not total shit like Morrowind and Oblivion

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              what an incoherent post. esl or mental illness?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >nothing to say
                figures, Arcanum pseuds cannot defend the turd they pretend to be fans of

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                sorry, still incoherent.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >every rpg using D&D ruleset is trash
              >D&D is somehow inherently bad
              One of these...

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              So your argument is that the games you mentioned are good because they made a more recent homebrew version of D&D rules for their games?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >recent homebrew version of D&D rules for their games?
                I bet you think monopoly is a homebrew of chess

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      What video games do you like? I'm curious.
      Can I guess? Morrowind? Japanese games?

      kek i literally uninstalled Morrowind yesterday, such a shit game i gave it many chances and even tried mods to fix it's garbage combat but no it still sucks
      >Japanese games?
      only few JRPG's are good then again the same can be said about WRPG's
      oh and let me guess you think turds like Baldur's Gate and Planespace are the peak of the genre huh?

      >Morrowind is garbage
      I agree
      >Baldur's Gate is the peak of the genre
      Are we talking about D&D based RPGs & cRPGs? If so then arguably, yes. But not because the game itself is god knows what, but because the rest of the genre sucks for the most part. Only a handful of games are worth mentioning

      I don't understand your taste in games. What do you play? I can't concieve how anybody who's not a drooling TES moron or a jarpig could dislike Arcanum and TOE E

      It's always fun to see unwashed plebeians squeal to each other their incorrect opinions.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Until you present your own supposed superior opinion (so we can all laugh at you, obviously) your smug criticisms can be shoved up your ass

        Come on prove me wrong

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    There will never be another game like Arcanum

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    the part about them not being allowed to patch the game because the contract forbade them from publishing their own patches is fricked up
    like toee shipped with a bard bug and when tim asked the publisher QA team why they didnt detect it they responded with "oh we just didn't like playing bards", same with vtmb and nosferatu
    total publisher death

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You forgot to post the latest game directed by Cain and Boyarsky.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    morons on here are still pretending that Arcanum isn't dogshit?

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >troika
    >three of a kind in russian
    >makes 3 games
    >leaves the industry, doesn't explain

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >founded by three guys mad at fargo
      >company fails
      >one goes to work on an mmo
      >one goes to blizzard
      >last one eventually goes back to work for fargo
      kek

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >so far ahead of their time
    and behind release schedule and milestones lmao

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