>Two editions each with enjoyable mechanics that are simple but robust

>Two editions each with enjoyable mechanics that are simple but robust
>A strong setting that focuses on the battle of good and evil both broadly and within each individual
>Setting unchanded by the modern day political climate, with lore that has remained constant and unchanged in the 10 years between editions
>Setting and tone inspired by the romantic fantasy subgenre, which itself was inspired by the kino of chivalric romance
>No freakshit races, with only longstanding fantasy races as playable options (humans, elves, orcs, merfolk, and talking animals)
Why are you not playing Blue Rose, /tg/?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Art looks like my moms coffee mugs and sci fi games are infinitely more interesting than fantasy games

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      First edition art is whispy and stylized

      Gimme a link to the pdf and I might

      Second edition (AGE version) is in the sharethread archive. First edition is here.
      https://vdoc.pub/download/blue-rose-rpg-3c8u21pvm130

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *first edition art is whispy and stylized, but the new version has lots of modern art.
        Can't believe I forgot a whole half a sentence there.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What do you do in a typical session?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Usually the typical things that you do in other roleplaying games. One of the key differences with the romantic fantasy genre that Blue Rose bases itself off of is, instead of the players tending to play their own indipendent band of adventurers, characters in romantic fantasy stories are meant to be members in a larger organization. In this case the PCs serve the kingdom of Aldis, the titular kingdom of the blue rose.

            There are a lot of different organizations in the setting that players could slot into. You could be part of the Sovereign's Finest, who are basically state funded adventurers. It's your job to travel to the various periphery towns of the kingdom and provide news, healing, protection, and other things the government is supposed to supply its citizens. Often, teams of the Finest will contain nobles (which is a meritocratic position rather than a hereditary one) to act as judges, so a lot of the less combat-oriented sessions have to do with solving disputes for people as an impartial arbitrator. It's a lot more fun than it sounds.

            Other stories might involve other organizations. The kingdom of Aldis has its elite knightly orders, so you could be fighting on the front lines (the lich-king's kingdom is literally right past the northern mountains and he's constantly sending zombies and other troops). Or for something less combat oriented, there are more political problems to be dealt with at court in the capital.

            >talking animals
            Literal talking animals, or furries?

            Literally talking animals, Narnia style. Well, they don't have a voice, but they can talk psychically and also move light objects. It's basically the same thing.
            There are rules for like 20 different species. Wolves cats badgers apes crows bears horses and even dolphins.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Literally talking animals, Narnia style. Well, they don't have a voice, but they can talk psychically and also move light objects. It's basically the same thing.
              >There are rules for like 20 different species. Wolves cats badgers apes crows bears horses and even dolphins.
              Based

              If it's in Narnia it's not freakshit. If you disagree with me your opinion is wrong and you're a moron

              [...]
              First edition is derived from Mutants and Masterminds, actually. Second edition drops the d20 entirely, instead becoming a 3d6 system.

              >If it's in Narnia it's not freakshit. If you disagree with me your opinion is wrong and you're a moron
              Even more based

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >but they can talk psychically and also move light objects
              I'm having Valdemar flashbacks.
              Then again, that's romantic fantasy, should have expected it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Valdemar is listed as one of the primary influences for the game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what is the name and rules of the game in that drawing?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just fancy Crib

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sci-fi games have shitty clunky autsimo mechanics or are just fantasy, but in space

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Play better Space Elfgames.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gimme a link to the pdf and I might

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lol lesbians

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yup. Heterosexual couples of the same race procreating, too.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >talking animals
    Literal talking animals, or furries?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literal talking gay animals.

      How that doesn't qualify as freakshit grooms me, turns me gay, convinces me to cut off my dick, and leaves drugged and passed out in a bathroom full of pozzed loads.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If it's in Narnia it's not freakshit. If you disagree with me your opinion is wrong and you're a moron

        Yeah I'm a feminist but I don't like 3.5 derived mechanics, sorry

        First edition is derived from Mutants and Masterminds, actually. Second edition drops the d20 entirely, instead becoming a 3d6 system.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Second edition drops the d20 entirely, instead becoming a 3d6 system.
          Now I am interested. Since the original was M&M-based, I guess that means it also avoids classes and levels too?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It has both, unfortunately. When I said it was based on M&M, I mean that a D20 was the only dice used for resolution, with the same sort of bruise/wound system for combat.

            Why am I not playing Blue Rose?
            >Any number of editions and games with mechanics I enjoy, which I tweak to be as simple and complex as I want when I want
            >Settings' focal points can encompass whatever narrative and combative tone I wish
            >Setting "unchanded" (whatever that means) by modern day political climate, with lore that can change or remain the same on a whim; some settings have been in progress and evolving for over a decade
            >Settings and tones inspired by whatever I want, without hinging on meaningless cross-board meme words derived from outside the tabletop gaming niche like "kino" and "freakshit"
            I'm too busy writing and playing what I like instead of spending time looking into other systems I'll end up having to change aspects of anyway.

            Modifying systems can be a lot of effort, but I really hope you enjoy how your games all turn out anon

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Damn, guess I'll just steal the setting for GURPS then, because I became allergic to class-and-level structures as soon as I got out from under them.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I really hope you enjoy how your games all turn out anon
              Thanks.
              Game design is legit hell sometimes, but I think it's worth it, just because of the sheer freedom of it.
              I hope you enjoy your games as well, dude. You're all right.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >First edition is derived from Mutants and Masterminds,
          True20, actually. A lot lighter weight than m&m

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are there other games that use the True20 model besides blue rose and m&m?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://rpggeek.com/rpgsystem/489/true20
              https://rpggeek.com/rpg/210/true20
              Neither of those list the T20 Traveller edition, so I'm sure there are even more.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Literally talking animals, Narnia style. Well, they don't have a voice, but they can talk psychically and also move light objects. It's basically the same thing.
          >There are rules for like 20 different species. Wolves cats badgers apes crows bears horses and even dolphins.
          Based

          [...]
          >If it's in Narnia it's not freakshit. If you disagree with me your opinion is wrong and you're a moron
          Even more based

          It's so strong and brave of you to take a break from judging child drag shows and grooming to samefag.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you morons need better material

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing gay about Puss in Boots you morondaggot

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah I'm a feminist but I don't like 3.5 derived mechanics, sorry

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll be real with you OP. The reason why I don't play Blue Rose is because I'm nogames

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why am I not playing Blue Rose?
    >Any number of editions and games with mechanics I enjoy, which I tweak to be as simple and complex as I want when I want
    >Settings' focal points can encompass whatever narrative and combative tone I wish
    >Setting "unchanded" (whatever that means) by modern day political climate, with lore that can change or remain the same on a whim; some settings have been in progress and evolving for over a decade
    >Settings and tones inspired by whatever I want, without hinging on meaningless cross-board meme words derived from outside the tabletop gaming niche like "kino" and "freakshit"
    I'm too busy writing and playing what I like instead of spending time looking into other systems I'll end up having to change aspects of anyway.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's "Romantic Fantasy" and idiots who don't know art movements thought that meant Fabio so they made fun of it.

    - t rpg.net exile

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw no Fabiocore games

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw no Fabiocore games
        It just makes you wanna cry

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who wouldn’t want to rp as Fabio? Dude’s sick

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this the feminist setting with matriarchies and men that have to ride side-saddle?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, this is not the setting where the continent is literally two giants petrified while having sex.

      This is the setting where deer and doe are in fact pigs and will rescind your right to vote and hold offices if they don't like your face.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's one matriarchical kingdom that's not!Hawaii and one patriarchical theocracy that's not!Armenia, and they're both presented as being bad backwards retards.

      The setting is overall quite humanist. It's very lefty, but not in a "die cis scum all white men are sexist/racist" kinda way.

      No, this is not the setting where the continent is literally two giants petrified while having sex.

      This is the setting where deer and doe are in fact pigs and will rescind your right to vote and hold offices if they don't like your face.

      Arthur got his right to rule from a wattery tart. Don't see what's so strange about getting right to rule from a god-deer.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >patriarchical theocracy
        Aren't they a necroarchy though?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The country to the north is the necroarchy. It's not even a country; it's just one extremely large gulag controlled by a lich king who makes human and orc slaves mine magic crystals for him.

          The theocracy is to the east and they're geographically in a desert but not arab themed. I think they're called Jarzon or something. They're patriarchical, traditional, and extremely distrustful of magic (somewhat warrented since magic works like the Force in Blue Rose, where doing evil magic makes you evil). But the theocracy and the main kingdom are tense allies; they're both enemies of the lich king and they both overthrew their own lich rulers together in the before times.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Also the continent isn't giants having sex it's a normal planet made by gods just like every other fantasy setting

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How does it handle mass combat?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think it does, I'm afraid. Seems like the kinda game where mass combat is more roleplay than mechanics. Actual tactics and such.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How does it handle a good ol fashioned one on one sword fight?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Very good in both editions! Armor/AC builds are incredibly viable in 2e, while in 1e they're more balanced.

          Mages are fairly gimped because even minor unethical magic spells cause corruption. Any damaging spell, even shit like magic missile, is corrupting. Any spell that influences another's mind against their will, even something as minor as suggestion, is corrupting. Fighting with magic is possible via telekinesis and such, but tricky; mages definitely need their sword-wielding friends to back them up

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >hurting someone with magic is corrupting
            >shanking them in the gut is fine
            Can't help but feel there are some ethical oversights here.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Regular bad actions also give you corruption, but dark magic does it even moreso.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's like the force. You can be evil without being force sensitive, but if you are force sensitive and start doing evil THE RIDE IS ON

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are you not playing Blue Rose, /tg/?
    Because I don't agree with the politics of the authors, and I don't agree with the very obvious political subtext running clear through the game. Blue Rose goes out of its way to insist that diversity is strength and only the mixing of races and cultures is the way forward, but we in the real world know that those are both practically and morally wrong.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ideology. You do not agree with the *ideology* of the authors. Blue Rose suggests no policy through either alegory or outright message. The game is an exaltation of an unchanging ideology.

      A shame you don't like it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thus.

      It's a bunch of gay shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not like people who play D&D will destroy roads in order to bring about libertarianism every other weekend.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And I find myself wondering, not for the first time, if I have come upon an example of someone who is confusing 'libertarian' with 'libertine'.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Them being one and the same is an Anglo thing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Blue Rose goes out of its way to insist that diversity is strength and only the mixing of races and cultures is the way forward, but we in the real world know that those are both practically and morally wrong.
      ...Have you never heard of Britain?
      Are you amerimutts really so retarded you think Danes, Normans, Frisians and Saxons are the same race and culture?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't forget the Celts

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Are you amerimutts really so retarded you think Danes, Normans, Frisians and Saxons are the same race and culture?

        They are. Americans don't get any training, their easy-mode country color codes the races. This leads to most Americans being incredibly bad at racism.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Are you amerimutts really so retarded you think Danes, other Danes, other Danes and yet another group of Danes are the same race and culture?
        Yes, I know Frisians technically aren't Danes but they pretty much spoke the same language, had the same gods, had almost identical culture and had overlapping borders.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Danes, Normans, Frisians and Saxons are the same race and culture?
        Are you trying to reverse meme the americans or something?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >same race
        Yes

        >and culture?
        For the most part, yes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          American moment

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ever stop to think that those differences that are so vitally important to you could very well be invisible to outsiders. The same way you can't tell Hmong from Viet from Khmer.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the perception of outsiders matters even 1% on the question of ethnic identity
              You burger morons are a blight upon mankind. death to america the great satan.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He mad

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Blue Rose goes out of its way to insist that diversity is strength and only the mixing of races and cultures is the way forward, but we in the real world know that those are both practically and morally wrong.
      ...Have you never heard of Britain?
      Are you amerimutts really so retarded you think Danes, Normans, Frisians and Saxons are the same race and culture?

      The book never mentions diversity being strength. The setting is very clear that the reason the kingdom of Aldin is strong is because of the magic of the Golden Hart and the Blue Rose, which ensure that none of the people who take power have too much selfishness or corruption in their heart. It's an idealized fantasy setting, not an alegory.

      The reason that Aldin is so diverse is because being open to people rather than paranoid, and accepting people for their values rather than their cultural and ethnic trappings is a good and righteous thing to do. Regardless of whatever benefits it may or may not have.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >is a good and righteous thing to do.
        It's evidently not and something mostly adopted by evil people as a wedge against natives.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't sully Kamen Rider by associating him with you anti-nativist scumbags.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That sounds as suicidally retarded as the people who insist diversity = strength has no practical limits, like agreement on basic principles.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wow monoethnic North Korea is such a great country

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for warning me before I wasted my time reading the material.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sounds like a game for me then, and i say this with the utmost honesty
      i beg any reader that might disagree with me to not think of this post as bait

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >old ip

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ...yes? i've alredy posted in this thread, why does this matter?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because it means you're reaffirming a point you already made elsewhere to try and create an artificial consensus of opinion by seeming like more than one person.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              well that was not my intention, i saw a post and i replied to it

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Doesn't mean that he replied more than once to the other guy. Could be that anon posted earlier in the thread and is only replying for the first time. Could be that none of this matters and no normal person cares about establishing 'consensus' on fucking Ganker.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There are no normal people on Ganker.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that stopped beeing true a long time ago, normies post on Ganker like one would go to a brothel, to relieve themselves with a few hours of obscenities before going back to polite society they don't brag about it, but it's a thing they do and that society acknowledges

                you can even get STDs if you're not carefull

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                All normies should die

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well that's not gonna happen anytime soon, so you better learn to live with them

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And people under 18 shouldn't post but here you are anyway, shitting the place up.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >to try and create an artificial consensus of opinion
              My man, this site and the arguments we're having on them don't matter in the fucking slightest. Janitors do more worthy things than we do. We're shooting the shit, having a little bit of fun, stop being such a whiny bitch.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ok, Pundit.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    unchanded by the modern day political climate, with lore that has remained constant and unchanged in the 10 years between editions
    Setting still plagued by biological essentialism and bad cultural stereotypes.

    I might as well just make my own. With freakshit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >With freakshit.
      And hookers.
      And freakshit hookers.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >all Fabio party

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why could Fabio not be the generic standard male for military shooters?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "Too Unrealistic" turns out realistic soldiers have all the personality of wet cardboard.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Organized and unorganized mass bullying tend to do that to people.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Never quite got that point, I'd want troops passionate and loyal to a nation, not a bunch of broken goons.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't understand.
                If you are giving weapons of mass killing to a group of people who you know are mostly from the bottom feeders of your community and people everyone hated the most, you wanted them to fear you and their other superiors more than any foes they will faced.

                So they won't even think of disobeying any orders you give, even if it is to eat actual shit.
                Otherwise, what you get is an uncontrolled group of violent weapon-carrying organized group of killers instead of a controlled one.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why would we recruit garbage people into the army in the first place?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why do you keep doing that

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                doing what?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because more decent people have much better and safer career choices because they are wanted by more employers?

                Because beggars can't be choosers?

                Because if you forced a draft, you mostly get losers that either too poor or too desperate to evade it?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most people in the army are already garbage people tbh
                Either desperate idiots or the kind of people who actively want to take away rights, more than pretty much any other org.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They tried that during 'Nam.

                The troops did democracy and political action and fragged COs that clearly had reached their ceiling of incompetence when they were handed command of a unit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                fragging incompetent COs sounds like a system working, granted Nam is a whole pile of incompetence

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    more like blue waffle

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am playing and I'm having a hell of a fun.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was unbearably hamfisted SJW tripe before I even knew those words. The first edition rules were bad, it got worse from there. Green Ronin has been shit for so long it's hard to remember if they ever did anything good.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I understand not liking the setting if you're a 4chanmoron or whatever, but the rules are great for both editions. True20 is the best D20 has ever been or ever will be, and the second edition is easily the best version of the AGE 3d6 ruleset.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not even pol, that's how odious this turd was. I was intrigued by the idea of true20 until I bought the rules. It was a step down from 3rd edition d20, generic and artless homogonization for it's own sake. Huge regret purchase. Blue Rose had most of the mechanical sins of T20 layered under the hackneyed tropes of a chick-lit fantasy novel. I took mine to a used bookstore after a year and the beardo behind the counter rolled his eyes at me. They offered a dollar, and I was happy just to get shelf space back. I browsed 2nd edition at my local game store to see if anything got better, it did not. You like it, go play it, I don't care. Better you than me.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not tying to start shit or say that my opinions are better than yours, I'm just legitimately confused. I thought that it was so much better than dnd 3e; the true20 system was elegant, they fixed caster imbalanced, and while options were limitted the options they did have mattered a lot. What about it set you off? What part of it did you see that I missed?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm kind of with you, dude. Although, like I said here

            I tried running a one shot of the d20 one using that module that was around about the Frog Prince and I think I may have bolloxed up some of the combat rules. I love this game's vibe and I have a playgroup that would probably be down if I had a clear vision (one of our number pretty much grew up on Mercedes Lackey and the like) but I think I may be too retarded to run it.

            I think I messed it up, the system is part of what drew me in. I had played in a store Mutants and Masterminds game, and I'm not really into superhero stuff, but the toughness save mechanic instead of HP really grabbed me in particular. Unfortunately Blue Rose is a much less stabby game, which, while cool in its own right, leaves me feeling underprepared to run fights in it when they do happen as a result.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > I took mine to a used bookstore after a year and the beardo behind the counter rolled his eyes at me.
          That wise old neckbeard was right

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I tried running a one shot of the d20 one using that module that was around about the Frog Prince and I think I may have bolloxed up some of the combat rules. I love this game's vibe and I have a playgroup that would probably be down if I had a clear vision (one of our number pretty much grew up on Mercedes Lackey and the like) but I think I may be too retarded to run it.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    We're here, we're just quiet. If sense could be talked into the Kenji from KS types on here it would have happened a long time ago.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kenjin is a hero

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >muh culture war
    Why do accuse random people of not fighting hard enough for The Cause™? Why do you act like Ganker never existed before the election tourists?

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This game has some neat worldbuilding. I like the idea of the most gluttonous being the ones who are starving, so therefore temperence is a full and satisfied belly.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will be forever salty that pathfinder 2e copied dnd5e and not true20.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I haven't played its immediate offspring True20 but I like it's design quite a bit. Never bothered looking at Blue Rose itself, though.

      >that pathfinder 2e copied dnd5e
      You think the 'every class feature is a feat' game is draws more on the 'feats are optional and almost discouraged' game and not the OTHER 'ever class feature is a feat' game?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The second edition drops the true20 engine, but it's still a very interesting ruleset. I hightly recomend giving both a look over.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I wanted to play as an enforcer of a fascist regime run by a fucking stag I'd play Game of Thrones and support Based Stannis.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The deer is just democracy but with extra steps

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The deer therefore must be destroyed.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Ganker
    >Conservative
    >Ganker

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nice to have you back after 6 years; you've got a lot to catch up on.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Hombre, if only you'd knew how many of us walk these roads

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wish you would walk somewhere else instead.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no thanks, i like it in here

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >chuds
    Way to out yourself. Shouldn't you be busy crying on Twitter?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nta, but you can't really blame a fella for using a buzzword on Ganker
      that'd be hypocritical

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >my face when I am to face off a furfag and a feminist in a hypocrisy competition

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are you not playing Blue Rose, /tg/?
    Green Ronin don't want my money.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    unchanded by the modern day political climate, with lore that has remained constant and unchanged in the 10 years between editions
    Blue Rose was woke before being woke was cool. Saying it's setting is "unchanged by the modern day political climate" is pretty absurd when it was created by and for people who LOVE the current political climate.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That doesn't matter tho. Games changing for politics indicates a lack of principles and therefore a lack of passion, meaning that whatever artistic goes into designing that game is hollow at best. Remaining constant shows strong principles and vibrant passion, indicating the effort that went into designing that game. That makes it really fucking cool, even if you don't agree with the ideology of the authors.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, that argument only makes sense if we assume there has been a massive shift away from progressive politics in the mainstream of the gaming audience, and if anything the opposite has happened over the last ten years. What would Blue Rose have to change to conform to pop politics? Nothing. So I question the "constancy" of the authors.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're being retarded. "They didn't need to betray their artistic vision so therefore we don't know if they would betray their artistic vision that they didn't betray. And even though they didn't betray their artistic vision, it still counts as if they betrayed it even though they didn't because they could have." This just sounds like you're looking for a reason not to like this thing.

          If the first edition is motivated by strong principles (and it is, because nobody was talking about trannies or the polyamorous in 2005), and the second edition lore is exactly the same, that's a setting inspired by strong principles. The rest is just mechanics.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You're being retarded.
            No, you're attacking a retarded strawman while I stand over here wondering what that poor scarecrow did to you.

            >"They didn't need to betray their artistic vision so therefore we don't know if they would betray their artistic vision that they didn't betray.
            This is a correct summation of my point. You get credit for not folding to pressure, but there actually has to be pressure for you to get credit.

            >And even though they didn't betray their artistic vision, it still counts as if they betrayed it even though they didn't because they could have."
            This is some nonsense you straight-up imagined and that I never said or implied. I never suggested they betrayed their artistic vision nor do I think that is what happened.

            > because nobody was talking about trannies...and the second edition lore is exactly the same
            That's because the first edition lore was pro-chud and pro-poly.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you not playing Blue Rose, /tg/?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this the blue rose dev? If so, this is the second most based dev-coment I've seen on RPGnet, coming just behind that one time Gygax said that killing Evil-aligned noncombattans is something Lawful Good characters can do.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what the fuck is rpgnet?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a political discussion site for the 5e community.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Given the Consultants that contributed to D&D 5E, that's no surprise.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So it's like /tg/?

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are you not playing Blue Rose, /tg/?
    It's published by Green Ronin who are deep Red

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wasted my time opening this pdf, it was made by a retard who wouldn't even pass his own metrics

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for this. Top-tier summation, lots of stuff in here I'd never even heard about. Very useful

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ABLOO BLOO BLOO MUH SCARY POLITICS!
      shut the fuck up, just shut the fuck up

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cool stuff, the fact that they're angry it calls them out means it's doing a good job pointing out the political scum.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you calling people "political scum", makes you, ironically, also "political scum"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't care if you support people who wish me death, but it's useful to know who's doing it so I don't accidentally support them monetarily. Sticking your head in the sand is your prerogative.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i'd agree with you if that list was more impartial (and had some goddamn sources)

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That side isn't the one that hates me, so it's not my concern personally even if I can see how you would feel if you were on the other side. Anyway. The issue with your argument is just that there's not very many right wing people making tabletop games. And you're also wrong, because the list includes Varg Vikers for being a neo-nazi and several other people who are apparently 'anti-semitic'..

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That side isn't the one that hates me, so it's not my concern personally
                okay, so you admit that the list is biased and thus isn't what it claims to be (an actual guide to "Ethical Companies")
                >The issue with your argument is just that there's not very many right wing people making tabletop games
                the whole Green section proves that this is false
                > And you're also wrong, because the list includes Varg Vikers for being a neo-nazi and several other people who are apparently 'anti-semitic'
                the list includes Varg and One (1) other company for antisemitism, that's 2, in the whole red section, that for the record, they are the only 2 bros in the red section that aren't left wing, two is not "several", and honestly it feels like the author is trying to cover his own ass in an attempt to keep up his """apolitical""" charade

                if the author simply named his PDF "A list of Left-Wing Companies that Right-Wing TTRPGs players should avoid" i would have no qualms with it (i mean i still would have some qualms with it, but you get the point), instead he hides behind his clamis of beeing "apolitcal" and "objective", like he's afraid of admitting that he's right-wing and biased, as if a non biased opinion ever existed

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay anon. Name all the devs you know of who are explicitly far right wing (not apolitical, explicitly and openly far right) that are not on that list.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Rules for Radicals posting
                You have to go back.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sorry, but i can't answer that question, i don't frequent those spaces, so the only names that comes to mind are those that are so obvius that even the creator of the PDF couldn't ignore, but don't let that discurage you, there are plenty of people that think it like you do, they're only keeping it a secret in order to not get deplatformed and keep their money, but they usually leave a couple of clues for the enlightened folks like (You), treat it like a treasure hunt

                [...]
                And for clarity's sake because I know you'll pull this, them being far right instead of just right wing is important because nobody is on that list just for being left wing, with milquetoast opinions like wanting to tax the rich or believing in gay marriage, they're there for openly attacking a group. They are leftists, and the opposite of leftists are the far right, not your standard neoconservative.
                [...]
                If the complaint is that his list is biased because it's not listing far right game developers then I think it's only fair to ask him to name someone he thinks should be on the list that isn't.

                >they're there for openly attacking a group
                going "white people, amiright?" on a twitter post or putting brown people in medieval fantasy settings isn't an attack, for anything more serius, proofs need to be provided

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well anon, if you can't name any actual examples, how can you prove that he's biased? You're making an unfounded assumption, and you should understand why I doubt any conclusion you make without any evidence.
                >Attacking you isn't an attack
                Okay anon, if that makes you feel safe.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well i can say he's biased because the great majority of the people on the "naughty list" are Leftist or publicly expressed leftist beliefs, while people who did not expressed such beliefs, or better yet, spoke out against them, are given a spot on the "good guy" part of the list
                >gettin called mean words on the interent is an attack
                if that's true then i'm eligeble for a veteran discount becuase i've been under attack since age 12

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But anon, those people are on the list because of their openly hostile views, which happen to be leftist. Presumably if we had more examples of openly hostile far right devs, they would also be on the list. However, they do not exist, and you cannot prove to me that they exist because you can't name any examples, so you cannot prove any sort of bias. This is why when you have an argument you need to provide proof. I have no reason to take your conclusion as fact without any evidence.
                >I've been under attack
                And yet you cannot empathize with someone on the other side also being attacked.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the shit you call "Openly Hostile" is fucking moronic, there are no evidence that any of the companes in the Red List did anything wrong except beeing leftist, even for the accusation that might actually carry some weight, like accusation of sexual harassment, no further proofs are provided,
                you say that i need to provide some proofs? well so do you, bring me proofs that the any of the companies or individuals in that document did anything except expressing an opinion you disagreed with but do you know who's in that list and it's actually proven that he's done something tangibly, legally, wrong? Varg
                >And yet you cannot empathize with someone on the other side also being attacked
                no, i cannot, because i find your views utterly repulsive,

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you are the one making a positive claim (that he is biased for excluding far right devs) which means that per the rules of debate, you are the one who has to provide evidence. I'm not making a claim, only telling you that you need to prove something to me before I believe it. You want me to prove a negative here which is not only against the standard rules of debate, but it's not even important for my position in this argument. I'm asking you to prove he is biased to me, not trying to convince you he's unbiased.
                >Varg
                Whose inclusion is actually evidence against your claim, you realize, even if you don't want to acknowledge it (and attribute it to a conspiracy.)
                >I find you repulsive
                I just find you pitiable, especially since you don't know anything about be or what my views actually are. You have a predetermined enemy archetype in your head and you are projecting it outwards towards me simply for disagreeing with you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                anon, this is not a debate, this is a shitflinging competition on the indonesian mushroom collecting chatroom known as Ganker, you want proofs? i alredy told you, the fact that he puts people in a red list simply becuse they express opinions he disagrees with while claiming that they are "unhetical", like they're some danger to the hobby, it's that simple, you want more? i don't have more, belive what you want, i've rested my case
                and as i said before, pointing out that Varg's on the list means jack, he's an easy target that's obviously there just to make it seem like the author is truly "apolitcal", and it's no consiparacy, it's called plasuible deniability
                >I just find you pitiable
                what's there to pity, we're both wasting our time shitflinging about dangerously unimportant issues on Ganker
                >especially since you don't know anything about me or what my views actually are
                well sorry if after stating that: those of "My side" hate you, that you implied for more people in the industry to be far right and for stating that said PDF to be good at "pointing out political scum", sorry if i didn't exaclty paint you as a staunch egalitarian

                at this point why are you still replying to me? you either don't belive me or you're replying to me in bad faith, what are we doing here?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Really? I have been nothing if not polite towards you. This has been a discussion, a debate, not a shitflinging match. At least on my end. If you simply want you shitfling, you are going to have to find someone else because I'm not going to facilitate that behavior.
                >He puts people in a red list
                For having openly hostile views towards certain races, sexes, and sexualities, yes. This is important information for people who are in any of those demographics and would like to know such things before purchasing a product from them (and thus financing their views.)
                >I don't have more
                Then the polite thing to do is to stop debating, anon. If you cannot provide requested evidence to substantiate a claim then the conversation has stalled and reached its useful end. Anything after that is repetition, or shouting into a void, and there's no point to it. This is why you are getting frustrated, you want me to believe you, to agree with you, simply by taking your word for it. I don't, but you don't want to take the time necessary to provide supporting evidence to convince me. So we have reached an impasse. At an impasse, a conversation ends, but you do not want it to end, you still want to convince me. You need to let go of that desire, or bring proof, or else it will turn into simple shitflinging, which I have already told you I will not facilitate for you.
                >He means jack
                He's one of the very few far-right devs. It's not meaningless that he's there just because he's 'obvious'. Him being obvious means he's infamous, not a valid example. Less famous examples are, as the name suggests, just not going to be known. Maybe the author doesn't know of any. Maybe they don't even exist, you certainly can't prove any do.
                >It's no conspiracy
                Your claim about the author literally fits the textbook definition.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you trying to talk with a retarded keyboard commie?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Embarrassing pretending to be another person

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >fucking idiot doesn't have ID enabled
                Go back

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                aight, let's de-escalate
                the main gripe that i have with your posts is that what you consider Hostile views, in my opinion really aren't, this might just boil down to the different ideologies we have, but i find that these hostilities to be utterly inoffensive towards me and others like me, white people not beeing present in a book doesn't bother me, straight white males all beeing evil nazis, despite the clear idiocy of such a concept, doesn't bother me becuase at the end of the day, it's just a book, and if i don't like it i'll just ignore it

                Why are you trying to talk with a retarded keyboard commie?

                love you too bud

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's why my personal issue in regards to any developer isn't how brown their setting is or not, though things like claiming to be historically accurate then not being so does cause some irritation. Nor ultimately is it what's in their book that irritates me. Rather, it's what the developer's personal views happen to be, if those views happen to be outright hostile to any demographic I belong to. Hence why forewords/playguides from the developer, as well as what the developer has posted about people on their social media or forums, and other words straight from the devs about real people are what bothers me, and being informed about such is what I find useful about the document that's the subject of discussion. Not any in-setting nonsense, even if some of that nonsense can still push me away from the game. In regards to your nazi example, it wouldn't be that I'm upset about what's happening in a book, but if the developer truly believes that, which would make me want to avoid lending them financial support (rewarding them and facilitating further such behavior on their part.)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                Take Eclipse Phase as an example. First edition can be obtained free, and if you've ever read the books the devs are clearly some kind of ancom, at least in ideals, and the America stand-in is depicted as bad and backwards. Despite all the weird types of anarchy or socialism people practice in this setting, you're never forced to agree with them or play as a supporter of any of these systems, and ostensibly there's a habitat exploring every type of possible government. The America expy isn't portrayed as being bad and nasty because they're racist or whatever or any other popular issue these days (This US got completely taken over by Latinos and speaks Spanish) but for being hyper religious bio-essentialists (and as someone with trans-humanist leanings, despite the depiction being eye-rollingly biased, I'm not in such a demographic that would be offended by negative depictions of people rejecting human enhancement.) It's a semi-cyberpunk setting too, so while all other libertine immoral behavior I'd object to is present, it's in the context of being part of a quite hedonistic and degenerate corporate dystopia society, and you're at least free to disagree with any part of this moral code, as many people in the setting already are. So all good. But then when they started doing a second edition (that would cost money) they started attacking players on their forum who liked/sided with factions the devs no longer liked or considered acceptable, having fits about real world US politics, and otherwise telling people who fit into whatever x category not to play their games. So that real world behavior, towards real world people, about real world issues, is what made me decide that I didn't want to financially support them or otherwise be involved with that developer anymore, not the dystopian luxury gay space communism. This is what I mean above when I say that it's their real world behavior/views, not the in-world setting, that I consider hostile.

                that's a very fair take, and i'm kinda in the same boat you're in (if you know anything about the newest editions of Vampire: The Masquerade you'll know my pain) but the thing is that these changes, 9 times outta 10, don't come from the actuall ideologies of those that write the books, but rather as an attempt to stay relevant in these modern day, young and hip and in touch with the current socio-political climate, and most importantly, stay profitable
                this costant pandering to the moderate leftist youth doesn't happen because bossman thinks that latinx trans folk need rapresntation, but rather as an attempt to cash in on a misguided movement that will buy fucking anthrax if it has a pride flag painted on it, these hostilties, these alienations that, ironically, both of us are facing (because belive, i'm also not happy with the current status of "the Left" and sure as fuck i'm not happy with some of the new Game releases), aren't coming from a genuine aggression and disdain for our ideologies, but rather, from greed,
                Idiotic writers that don't understand the setting (but are very progressive we swear), Cretinous Moderators with a finger costantly on the "Banned" button, scanning the forums for any wrongthink, Artificials Echochambers that rejects any discussion that isn't "The Game is Good, i Love this game, i love spending money on this game" all tools and usefull idiots created under order of the Corpos to attract "da youth" and make a quick buck out of what they pobably percive as a passive fad

                but i belive that, these people belive only in money, and would sell their mother to twitter if it benefitted them
                the problem is not the ideology that is pushed, that's just the bait, it's shitty bait for sure, but the cause why a lot of TTRPGs are going down the shitter is, IMO, Corporate Greed.

                We're getting thrown under the bus not becuse of our ideologies, but because our demographics simply rakes in less money

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I understand that, but whether the developer is saying something thanks to honest belief or are simply being performative for twitter likes (in hopes of this making the more money,) it still ends up being an opinion I don't want to support because of the downwind consequences. All this perfomativeness spreads and more and more products start to reflect it, which will harm the number of products I can find entertainment in. In a wider context, supporting the idea that one should performatively have these views enables those who legitimately have those views to speak out and convince others to agree with them. You remember the whole 'those who behave as idiots will attract real idiots' quote that's bandied around to refer to Ganker? And far more importantly than that, wider support for such views will lead to them effecting actual policy, for governments to create laws which aim to satisfy these groups even if in some deceptive or irrelevant way (like 'treating' symptoms and not causes) which will end up damaging my quality of life. So while I know that I on my own can't stop any of this, I at least want to be able to tell myself I'm not responsible for supporting or facilitating it, you know? You and I both know that all of this is meant to be deceptive and cynical manipulation of dumb naive kids to accrue more money and power by the corporate-government complex, and if they all decided to flip the opposite way and being trad-fasc or whatever was cool the companies would follow suit but in the same empty way with the same consequences, but these dumb kids are indeed throwing money and power at these types and hurting all of us in the process. Tabletop is a very minor tendril of all of this compared to things like Hollywood of course.

                I think at the end of it all we can both share a disdain for this corporate-government complex, even if we disagree on what the socio-economic state of the western world should be.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think at the end of it all we can both share a disdain for this corporate-government complex, even if we disagree on what the socio-economic state of the western world should be
                Yeah, i think we can sorry for the spergout earlier

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's okay, I was trying to reach you so we could have a coming to terms and I'm glad we did. Honestly speaking, we probably have a bit more in common on the alphabet axis too than you think.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >All this perfomativeness spreads
                You need to rethink your life choices.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's why my personal issue in regards to any developer isn't how brown their setting is or not, though things like claiming to be historically accurate then not being so does cause some irritation. Nor ultimately is it what's in their book that irritates me. Rather, it's what the developer's personal views happen to be, if those views happen to be outright hostile to any demographic I belong to. Hence why forewords/playguides from the developer, as well as what the developer has posted about people on their social media or forums, and other words straight from the devs about real people are what bothers me, and being informed about such is what I find useful about the document that's the subject of discussion. Not any in-setting nonsense, even if some of that nonsense can still push me away from the game. In regards to your nazi example, it wouldn't be that I'm upset about what's happening in a book, but if the developer truly believes that, which would make me want to avoid lending them financial support (rewarding them and facilitating further such behavior on their part.)

                Take Eclipse Phase as an example. First edition can be obtained free, and if you've ever read the books the devs are clearly some kind of ancom, at least in ideals, and the America stand-in is depicted as bad and backwards. Despite all the weird types of anarchy or socialism people practice in this setting, you're never forced to agree with them or play as a supporter of any of these systems, and ostensibly there's a habitat exploring every type of possible government. The America expy isn't portrayed as being bad and nasty because they're racist or whatever or any other popular issue these days (This US got completely taken over by Latinos and speaks Spanish) but for being hyper religious bio-essentialists (and as someone with trans-humanist leanings, despite the depiction being eye-rollingly biased, I'm not in such a demographic that would be offended by negative depictions of people rejecting human enhancement.) It's a semi-cyberpunk setting too, so while all other libertine immoral behavior I'd object to is present, it's in the context of being part of a quite hedonistic and degenerate corporate dystopia society, and you're at least free to disagree with any part of this moral code, as many people in the setting already are. So all good. But then when they started doing a second edition (that would cost money) they started attacking players on their forum who liked/sided with factions the devs no longer liked or considered acceptable, having fits about real world US politics, and otherwise telling people who fit into whatever x category not to play their games. So that real world behavior, towards real world people, about real world issues, is what made me decide that I didn't want to financially support them or otherwise be involved with that developer anymore, not the dystopian luxury gay space communism. This is what I mean above when I say that it's their real world behavior/views, not the in-world setting, that I consider hostile.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Really? I have been nothing if not polite towards you. This has been a discussion, a debate, not a shitflinging match. At least on my end. If you simply want you shitfling, you are going to have to find someone else because I'm not going to facilitate that behavior.
                >He puts people in a red list
                For having openly hostile views towards certain races, sexes, and sexualities, yes. This is important information for people who are in any of those demographics and would like to know such things before purchasing a product from them (and thus financing their views.)
                >I don't have more
                Then the polite thing to do is to stop debating, anon. If you cannot provide requested evidence to substantiate a claim then the conversation has stalled and reached its useful end. Anything after that is repetition, or shouting into a void, and there's no point to it. This is why you are getting frustrated, you want me to believe you, to agree with you, simply by taking your word for it. I don't, but you don't want to take the time necessary to provide supporting evidence to convince me. So we have reached an impasse. At an impasse, a conversation ends, but you do not want it to end, you still want to convince me. You need to let go of that desire, or bring proof, or else it will turn into simple shitflinging, which I have already told you I will not facilitate for you.
                >He means jack
                He's one of the very few far-right devs. It's not meaningless that he's there just because he's 'obvious'. Him being obvious means he's infamous, not a valid example. Less famous examples are, as the name suggests, just not going to be known. Maybe the author doesn't know of any. Maybe they don't even exist, you certainly can't prove any do.
                >It's no conspiracy
                Your claim about the author literally fits the textbook definition.

                >I didn't exactly paint you as a staunch egalitarian
                I'm not, I'll admit that for sure. But you are still making many assumptions about exactly what I believe and making judgements based on that. All you know, for certain, is that I don't agree with standard leftism. What could that mean? So many things that it's hardly a useful observation by itself.
                >Why are you still replying to me?
                You continue to try and present arguments, points, and so I continue to try and reach you and convince you to substantiate them. I want you to do your part to make this a proper discussion instead of, as you see it, 'shitflinging'. If you had stopped trying at any point to even present an argument and had resorted to nothing but ad hominem, then I would have ignored you. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, basically.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Being Leftist is being openly hostile to me, as a red-blooded white male. I will never support them directly or indirectly.
                The document's good, you're just asshurt that people aren't agreeing with you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                god not this again, i just ended a multi-hour argument with a fella not even 10 minutes ago about this very topic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay anon. Name all the devs you know of who are explicitly far right wing (not apolitical, explicitly and openly far right) that are not on that list.

                And for clarity's sake because I know you'll pull this, them being far right instead of just right wing is important because nobody is on that list just for being left wing, with milquetoast opinions like wanting to tax the rich or believing in gay marriage, they're there for openly attacking a group. They are leftists, and the opposite of leftists are the far right, not your standard neoconservative.

                >Rules for Radicals posting
                You have to go back.

                If the complaint is that his list is biased because it's not listing far right game developers then I think it's only fair to ask him to name someone he thinks should be on the list that isn't.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good document, thanks. Will save for personal use and reposting.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't the first time this got posted, it got revealed that one of the good "non-woke" companies was lead by the guy who made this PDF, Kasamir Urbanski? Why should we allow such blatant shilling to go on our site?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >NaMposting

        [...]

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what did anon mean by this

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It means he doesn’t like getting called out, which is hilarious and pretty hypocritical

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a shame there aren't more in depth / lore deep dive videos on Blue Rose. Seems most of the older videos disappeared when Youtube yeeted old unlisted/privated videos last year.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Open the Book
    >Written by Jeremy Crawford
    >Close the Book

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who is that and why should I hate his works?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Jermey corwoford is one of the head honchos behind the newest editions of D&D, known for having made some... questionable game design choices

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Such as? Most of us don't obsess over individual creators, so we don't know WHO made the fuck ups; we just know fuck-ups exist and disregard the game because of them.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Setting unchanded by the modern day political climate
    lolololol Anon, Blue Rose features Le Bad Empire that's Le Bad because it represses gays.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The evil empire is le bad because it's ruled by a lich and makes its entire population work in slave pits for 14 hours a day. and even still it's pro gay/trans, not because of equality but because of an old superstition that trannies are good at magic (sorta like some real world cultures like the ojibwe who thought gays/trannies were gay/trans because they had two souls).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        forgot pic

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why are you copying posts from rpgsite

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you're interested in the game more than the fluff, have a look at True 20, which still holds up as a streamlined 3.x

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fantasy age is pretty good if you liked the dragon age rpg

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You mean the AGE dragon age rpg? I thought it was kinda mid, tbh. Blue Rose seems to have done a lot better with the base system, with a better magic system, better classes, and better talents.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Publishes the gay rpg
      You can’t take this guy seriously

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Found where some of the posts ITT are coming from. Explains why they weren't showing up in an archive search.

    https://www.enworld.org/threads/tell-me-about-blue-rose.124570/page-8#post-2228407

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are you not playing Blue Rose, /tg/?
    You listed a bunch of good reasons.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because while I’ve personally read a fair amount of stuff in the “women-centric fantasy” genre it’s transparently based on, none of my usual players have.

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uh oh forgot the third version
    Everything becomes 5e in the end

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      LAAAAAAME!

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    From what I recall of Blue Rose it was unironically preachy in that sort-of-political yet out of touch boomer way.
    Doesn't it basically assume that you're going to be on the side of enforcing the one LGBT state, that all others are regressive enemies and that brainwashing people is not only fine but standard practice?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, you are out of touch.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Doesn't it basically assume that you're going to be on the side of enforcing the one LGBT state, that all others are regressive enemies and that brainwashing people is not only fine but standard practice?
      Yes, it's amusingly unself-aware that it's a dystopian nightmare. The authors are the sort of people who read Brave New World and are like "Why is John the Savage so problematic?"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      from what i remember, not really, it just had the usual milquetoast "Democracy good, Tyranny Bad" that's been popular since ancient greece

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The setting explicitly says that brainwashing is among the most evil things you can do with magic, but it does have truth-sensing used for criminal investigations.
      The main kingdom of the setting is very gay and stuff, yes. The other kingdoms run the gamut of tollerance and intolerance. The represive caste-based matriarchy is shown as just as bad as the theocracy that puts gays in reeducation camps. The worst kingdom is ruled by evil necromancers and doesn't care about gays one way or another, because the entire living population is enslaved.

      >Doesn't it basically assume that you're going to be on the side of enforcing the one LGBT state, that all others are regressive enemies and that brainwashing people is not only fine but standard practice?
      Yes, it's amusingly unself-aware that it's a dystopian nightmare. The authors are the sort of people who read Brave New World and are like "Why is John the Savage so problematic?"

      Blue Rose is not dystopian even remotely.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Blue Rose is not dystopian even remotely.
        All progressive utopias are dystopian if you believe in the freedom to think for yourself.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Blue Rose is not dystopian even remotely.
        The idea of being stuck at a table with the kind of people who demand to play renfaire Seattle while LARPing as the ideological gestapo certainly sounds dystopian to me.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          dunno man, playing as the Gestapo of [Ideology that i agree with] sounds kinda fun to me

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Being a little to obvious Anon.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Blue Rose
    The chud dictatorship game?

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only people i've ever heard champion Blue Rose in real life are hideous hambeasts heavily into Mercedes Lackey and terminally online political homos who don't care about games at all and get offended when you say you don't see the setting as any useful for playing games in.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Luckily, I'm championing Blue Rose online, not irl 🙂

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This game looks like it was made for actual gays. Nothing about this seems remotely compelling, it seems like it was made entirely for homosexuals, or worse, the Lancer audience.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw the blue rose thread has a thoughtful and well meaning conversation between two people with different ideologies that came back from the brink by extending understanding and patience
    Huh. It works.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you know what they say anon, Friendship is magic

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I heard that one also got an RPG, was it any good mechanically?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          dunno, but knowing other material that spawn off the Funny Horse Show it will either be Predictably Shite or Outragiously Good
          i know that some people on /tg/ play it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          never played it but I heard it was just d20

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Blue Rose
    "I warned you about the Magical Deers, Bro"

  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know, besides all the shitposting that happened in this thread i forgott to add that i really like this game

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You aren't allowed to like things we don't agree with politically.

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