Valve has downgraded the SSD included with some Steam Deck models
>It's okay when Valve does it
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Valve has downgraded the SSD included with some Steam Deck models
Severely underrated
needs image with the text too, but still made me chuckle.
Valve has downgraded the SSD included with some Steam Deck models
oh no, now it's only 999 times better than the switch instead of 1000!
>Immediately talk about the Switch despite no one mentioning it
nintendo really lives rent free in your head
cope
But Nintendo guys Valve simps truly are a sad lot.
not that guy but you are right. nintendo is so stingy they can't think about putting in ssd shit into a switch
>they can't think about putting in ssd shit into a switch
Anon, do you think switch uses a hard disk?
Anon, do you think any form of storage that isn't a mechanical disk is an SSD?
What do you think they are
He's asking you. Answer the question.
It's moronic zoomers, that think digital downloads are pro consumer. And updates are pro consumer etc.
They are fricking stupid.
It uses cheap fricking eMMC.
I love when people are wrong about things I didn't know, I get to watch them be corrected without receiving the scorn myself.
who are you calling wrong there? that anon is right that the internal storage is emmc. but it doesn't need more than that and external flash.
Doesn't the switch use 32 GB eMMC NAND Flash storage? Been a while since I opened my switch up.
for the games it has, it's more than enough (about 100mb sec tranfer speed for flash). it's not worse than the ps4/xone hdd's when it was released - with the added benefit of a nifty physical catridge like.
Maybe if Nintentroons weren't so buttblasted about it starting these stupid threads, it wouldn't be an issue. Alas, here we are, and they are mad AF. Frick 'em. Corporate drones deserve the rope.
>Immediately defend nintendo despite no one asking
nothing lives in your head tendie, you have aphasia.
>Heh, my brand new handheld is better than a cheaper one that's 5 years old
Wow how amazing
>Switch is 5 years old
and more amazing than switch will ever be. hell, it can play switch games lmao
>b-b-b-b-b-but Nintendo!
moronic shill roflmao
>no physical media (you know OWNING games)
>better
Choose one
It's a scam in my book.
>pc gaming
>physical copies
???
Yes, zoomer. You don't know that this was a big thing.
In fact PC games were way superior to console games.
Not anymore, frick Valve.
You were talking about the Steam Deck though, not steam itself.
>release mobile $thing
>mobile $thing doesn't have physical carts
>but but you can download
Frick off.
If Valve weren't basically greedy bankers now, that are doing the least amount of work possible, they could have done physical carts, but they didn't, because they want to frick their subscribers even more.
Dude have you seen how many switch carts also require extra download now because of cart storage costs?
They can't even put out the promised 64gb cartridges because it costs too much to manufacture.
>other thing is sometimes le bad, so let's not do it at all
NO
I won't buy that shit, simple as that.
I also won't buy Shitch carts without the full game on it, or some games on it, but others aren't.
Lie.
I can still play my NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, PS2 etc. games on original hardware. I don't need a Nintendo or Steam server to do it.
inb4
>but if I pirate
Good for you. Half my floppy disks don't fricking work anymore and two of my N64 carts don't work right even with isopropyl alcohol to the contacts. Also, almost all of my GBC games have dead batteries and I can't save.
Almost all of mine even still work.
All my CDs work.
>le batteries
duh simply replace them, dumb frick.
With internet servers, you are fricked as soon as the company shuts them down.
With physical media you can take good care of it. You can take shit care of it (you), but that's your choice.
So you think physical games have no form of online drm?
Mine don't.
Any that does that isn't a physical game.
I will go with old school copy protection like the Monkey Island wheel, which you probably don't even know about, Zoomer.
It's called a code wheel dipshit
No, it's called a Pyrate wheel, arrrrr.
There are no such thing as "physical games", no matter how hard the retro trannies try to gaslight you into MUH REAL HARDWARE narrative.
>just replace them hurr
They're fricking soldered into the carts you dumb frick. Did you think I meant the AAs? I mean the fricking SRAM batteries.
>With internet servers, you are fricked as soon as the company shuts them down.
This is why you buy DRM free games and stop being moronic and refusing to use cracks.
>They're fricking soldered into the carts you dumb frick. Did you think I meant the AAs? I mean the fricking SRAM batteries
replace them moron it takes 2 seconds and like 30 cents
just install your games in microSD cards and print out tiny game covers and make your own carts
There is no fricking benefit to physical games in terms of preservation.
of all the fricking things to complain about you complain that valve didn't put out fricking game cartridges?
its a major fault.
game cartridges for steam games is literally an absurd demand, doubly so when the device already accepts SD cards, which serve basicaly the same function
>owning games on your mobile pseudo console is totally ABSURD
Frick zoomers.
btw. did they at least do something so you can transfer downloaded games from a local PC to that shit dreck, or do you have to download from Valve servers once again despite already having downloaded the game?
Nintendo allows to grab patches from other Switches via ad-hoc.
>transfer downloaded games from a local PC
This worked from the very beginning if you run Linux on your PC.
So it doesn't work for 99% of their user base, got it.
Another shit $thing by shit corporation.
Holy frick, imagine being so incompetent that even Nintendo does a feature that you are too stupid to do despite being simple.
Didn't Valve even update all sorts of games on PCs because of the Steam Dreck? Why?
>why doesn't ext4 work on pajeetdows
gee, I fricking wonder
>$filesystem doesn't work on $OS
Factually incorrect.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-now-lets-you-mount-linux-ext4-filesystems-in-wsl-2/
And ext4 is shit on top of that.
Cope
>in WSL2
wow, a linux virtual machine
Actually:
"Linux filesystems, such as ext4, cannot be natively accessed in Windows 10 without installing special drivers."
inb4
>nooo, you can't just install a driver, that doesn't count noooooo
t. moron
>Hoarding useless toys is good, because I'm a failed manchild that needs to fill my Le Epic Mancave with shitty video game tat
You're a literal hoarder dude, seek help before your house is completely filled with garbage in 15 years
>you...you are a hoarder
of something of value, which is what humans do all the time.
You at the same time hoard digital shit as a subscriber and you pay for shit that you don't own.
You are pathetic.
Your cartridges are worthless. The data stored on them is what matters, which is why I have a RAID5 array and cartridge copiers.
>Your cartridges are worthless
I laugh right to the bank.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/134153780704
while the zoomer cries.
>but da data
hahaha, cope
>Of value
Black person your shitty mass produced video games that I got for free on my sdcards have 0 value. Literally worthless plastic crap. Retro trannies acting like their Bing Bing Wahoo childrens toy is a first edition LotR print or a rare Beatles bootleg so it has some collectors value is both hilarious and sad.
>that I "got" free
I'm not talking with Black folk.
Did you steal your Steam Dreck too?
A proper Black person would steal that too.
Wait, you can't, because it's not even sold in regular stores.
This also means it won't go on sale.
Cope and seethe toy hoarder.
t. worthless bit hoarder
even if you had the game files on a cartridge you'd still be buying a subscription as per the end user agreement, moron
nothing changes except the fact that buying a piece of plastic with a bit of flash memory in it makes it FEEL like you actually own something
to brainlets that is
>buy Steam Deck game on cart
>can't play it on my normal pc as well
>they can't create hardware for that cart for PC
They are greedy bankers, wanting to continue selling game subscriptions instead of something of value.
Didn't Nintendo create something like this for SNES and Gamecube, so you could play mobile console games on these?
Imagine being Valve and not able to do what Nintendo did 25 years ago.
>Didn't Nintendo create something like this for SNES and Gamecube, so you could play mobile console games on these?
If you mean satellaview that was literally tied to online radio signals
>satellaview
Nintendo actually did things with that that were impossible using a SNES cart, because lack of disc space, but nice try homosexual.
> Nintendo actually did things with that that were impossible using a SNES cart, because lack of disc space
Yes, because it used online radio transmissions like I said
Read Black person read
You can play most physical PC and console games on your deck just fine if you aren't stupid, because it's a PC.
>MOST
Frick off, Trannie
>if you aren't stupid aka figure it out in a meta game aka do the work for the Valve fricks
Frick off, trannie
Lol straight to nintendo
Steamies going:
- hahaha, I can steal Nintendo games
No Nintendo gamer would ever go
- hahaha, I can finally steal Steam games
Because Nintendo gamers are moronic.
That's why Nintendo games never drop it price, they know the morons will always get them full price.
>you are moronic when you don't become a Black person
>that's why they never drop in price
That's a lie.
The original high quality Nintendo games didn't do that. Current Nintendo games do that. Even Metroid Other M did that within a month, because it was shit.
there was no performance change. the deck wasn't capable of using that entire bandwith because of the cpu
This won't be relevant until DirectStorage and p2p NVMe becomes a thing. Right now it's not possible to max the bandwidth of a PCIx2 out, never mind a PCIx4.
No buy then
I'll wait for the Steam Deck 2
honestly okay with this because valve and steam are the only good things left in video game. the only; as well as sandlot
Hmm
>Nooo the corporation can't lie
Sheep
Did I say they couldn't lie?
I have 512 GB model, if I get downgraded I'm returning it and filing a chargeback with my card company.
since the processor can't actually occupy the four lane bandwidth, you're actually just getting a battery upgrade
how would you know? you are too stupid to understand what this actually means so you are obviously too much of a techlet to check to see which drive you got for yourself.
Do a chargeback, get banned by Valve
And Steamies will defend that.
>anyone else would have banned you too
>yes, every regular PC store would have banned you from their games store and DRM ridden online client
Valve should get sued for their scams.
So, they didn't downgrade SSD but gave M2 slot less lanes. God I hate journalists.
The other way around.
So, the SSD is still the same, but the PCIe lanes on the motherboard was reduced from 4x to 2x?
Not only are jurnos so dumb that they don't understand the difference but 2x vs 4x will have absolutely no impact on performance outside of fringe cases like if you are moving a FRICKHUGE amount of data on the Deck and at that point the CPU would probably limit the transfer speed before the 2x lanes will.
It might become a problem once direct storage becomes a thing (in 5 years or so) but at that point the rest of the deck will be so outdated that it probably won't be able to run any games that utilize it anyway
I was expecting something like downgrading from NVMe to the same shitty eMMC that the 64gig version has, that would have been shitpost worthy atleast.
Reading it backwards, again, assuming you're human.
Okay yeah, your right, but my point still stands. 2x vs 4x speed wise will do frickall to the decks performence since the rest of the specs will bottleneck it before it reaches a point where this downgrade actually becomes a problem
pretty sure they did this in order to be able to speed up production, since the damn thing is still backordered until next year
NOGAEMS
>microsoft pajeets hate it
>console warriors hate it
>chink UMPC shills hate it
wew
on the other hand, a lot of consolegays are really starry-eyed when it comes to deck. a lot of them have always wanted to get into /AlmostEveryMajorReleaseEver/ and now they can with this neatly packaged handheld that looks like it came from a console company. they are the ones getting scalped on ebay
It means the deck will cost less to buyers right?
no, since the SSD is the one part where they're recouping costs
The interface itself is still 4x, it's just defaulted to 2x in BIOS because the read and write speed isn't the bottleneck and the powersaving is huge while the actual performance doesn't actually change at all.
Even on the fastest internet connection you can provide to the Steam Deck, downloading and installing a game is CPU bottlenecked. Nothing gets even close to saturating have the raw bandwidth of the Steam Deck's SSD at 4x.
Uh, no. They actually switched to using NVMes with only two lanes.
>source: my ass
I mean, it doesn't really matter in the first place. You literally can't max out the bandwidth, it tops out around 300 MB/s.
>and the powersaving is huge
>and it's a massive powersave.
>you're actually just getting a battery upgrade
I don't suppose you frickasses could substantiate the claim that this is a significant battery saver?
>still nothing
So, no difference then.
Linux can't even support PCIx4's bandwidth limit, why were they shipping with them in the first place. Honestly, moronic move, they deserve the bad publicity, not because it's scummy (which is is because they're keeping the price the same while shipping a downgraded product even though there isn't a difference for the end user) but because they used a part they could've made cheaper and improved something else.
>Linux can't even support PCIx4's bandwidth limit
lolwut
Not that anon, but it has nothing to do with Linux in this case.
The only way to reach PCIx4's bandwidth limit here is point-to-point access, e.g. giving the GPU direct access to the drive and streaming textures outside of the CPU itself at the same time the CPU is using it.
Linux can actually reach higher thoroughput than Windows with pure CPU workloads due to io_uring.
>Linux can actually reach higher thoroughput than Windows with pure CPU workloads due to io_uring
Yeah, that's why I was wondering what he was talking about. Literally the most popular OS for datacenters and you think it can't saturate 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes?
aren't most people going to upgrade the ssd anyways? at least the 64gb and 256gb versions?
most people don't ever open their electronics, anon
Only a very slim portion of people would entertain the idea of doing anything themselves
I'm just gonna use a micro SD card.
bricked my deck cuz i sleepily turned it off while it was updating so i bought a 512 micro ssd which i was thinking about doing anyway cause 64gb holds 5% of all modern games and a few tools from ifixit. i built my own pc but i was still nervous when tinkering with this sucker. now it works, is upgraded AND still has its goddamned warranty.
if you dont like the deck, you are a corpocuck artard and need to commit suicide or take lsd.
I don't care because I put a 1TB ssd in mine the day I got it.
Someone elaborate on what the downgrade is or call OP a gay, since the 64GB SSD included with mine was some brand I never heard of.
The Deck was always poorly engineered and it doesn't seem to be very good at anything. It's only advantage so far is that it's unprecedentedly cheap for a UMPC.
>poorly engineered
how so?
BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK?
Why are you replying to a bot?
They always use a cat gif with white text to categorize their posts.
>uses uncommon size m.2 drive making it hard for users to upgrade
>wifi module put in a place where the ssd would interfere with it unless you use a very specific ssd
>cooling solution and battery are lacking
>poor connectivity and bad positioning of single USB-C connector
Everything about the deck seems like they totally forgot about the user experience.
All of these sounds like nitpicks that only people who will open theirs up will ever have a problem with, which, if we are being honest here, are going to be a fraction of a fraction of the people who buy one.
The lacking battery and cooling is stupid though. If they just made the deck a little thicker in the middle (they have the fricking room for it by the looks of it) this could be easily fixed, same goes for moving some internal components around to leave room for a physically larger SSD and moving the WiFi card out of the way.
But, and you are going to have to trust me on this one, having a USB-C port anywhere but on the top of a device is fricking moronic since it makes the device cumbersome to use while you charge it. Take it from someone who owns both a GPD WIN 3 and a Switch, you don't want that shit on the bottom of the device.
What they should have done is have one at the bottom and one at the top, that would solve the "dock" issue immidietly and still have a non moronic way to charge the thing during portable use
KEK they're doing this even on the most expensive models
Imagine paying full price to get cucked
It didn't downgrade the SSD, it's just limiting the interface link to 2x instead of 4x, because telemetry has shown nothing gets even close to needing that B/W and it's a massive powersave.
Pcbros are proving to be even bigger cultists than any consoleBlack person would ever hope to be, well done i suppose
>If you aren't brainlessly shitting on something based on a fricking INTERNET ARTICLE HEADLINE and want clarification and actual specification you're an anticonsumer cultist
almost all major releases ever
and you are against this; against other people having it; attempting to prevent natural discussion
as a consumer yourself
Oh frick off GPT-Ganker
AM I BEING DETAINED?!
anon this is an objectively positive change that got spun into a scandal to farm hate clicks
remember; almost every major release ever
and you are somehow against that and desperately try and try to find any little thing wrong with it
the worst part is not not all of you are shills; meaning it is consumers who are being anti-consumer. it's both insane and amazing. how did we get this way?
My question is what it CAN'T play. Fortnite?
consolegays are all mindfricked
Wow, speed is only 2GB/s now. That shit is so weak you can't even notice the difference between a nvme she a microsd, it deserves criticism but nothing will change.
almost every major release
I missed my chance bros. Should got one earlier. Now if I get a Deck, Ganker will ask what year it is and if I say post-2022 they'll shame me as a cuck and troony homosexual with a slow SSD. Why even live?
Anyway, we went over this already today and it doesn't really matter because the processor was never able to handle the full bandwidth of a pcix4 to begin with
Valve has downgraded the SSD included with some Steam Deck models?
Just get a loki max
Please go shill in the chinkshit thread currently on the index instead of here, thanks.
>shilling
What a moron. The only thing being shilled here is the Steam deck.
>Came into the thread saying "Buy this chinkshit handheld"
>WHOA why are you accusing me of shilling, if anything people are shilling the steam deck here!
Weak
>Uh it's actually a good thing that they are suddenly cheaping out and using worse parts
Lol. Lmao.
Your shilling failed.
Try again next thread Zhang
Correct
Oh so people have already done tests comparing the two SSDs?
The theoretical maximum of two-lane drives is roughly 1GB/s and four-lanes 4GB/s.
You can't get over 300MB/s even with a four-lane NVMe on the deck, it's choked by CPU. The only way the theoretical maximum will ever become relevant here is DirectStorage and point-to-point NVMe.
The whole thread is damage control over valve deciding to swap out cheaper parts, moron. Fricking right it makes sense to talk about alternatives fir people who DONT like getting paddled in the ass by corporations.
You've yet to provide any proof that the cheaper part results in a worse experience
>worse experience
>"well I'm having fun with it!"
Be quiet, you fricking valve stooge
That's not what I said you brainlet.
With the fan stuff there was videos instantly showing the problem. Surely if the cheaper SSD is actually worse there would already be comparisons showing such.
>With the fan stuff there was videos instantly showing the problem.
Not a good example, considering valve denies that the fans are anything but a "software issue" and doesn't allow RMA on them now. Just like the stick drift.
However, that anon is perfectly apt to use AYN as an alternative. When they changed specs out of the blue on people, they actually UPGRADED them. That's what a good company does, not some penny-pinching scamcorp like valve
I wasn't talking about what valve thinks, I was talking about it being an actual issue.
Again, if it's actually slower then show me a comparison demonstrating that.
>Again, if it's actually slower then show me a comparison demonstrating that.
uh, anon..it is actually slower. It's a slower part. That's what this whole thing is about?
Oh so you have stuff showing it being slower than the x4 deck?
Yeah, it's called technical specification, dumbass.
You mean the same specs that say there's no impact to gaming performance between x2 and x4
>specs
>opinions on the specs by those who want to sell it to you
anon, I care about precisely ONE of these fricking things.
Then you should care about proving those opinions wrong with evidence too
Black person you don't have to "prove" an opinion is wrong. You can just fricking ignore it. It's an opinion, and nothing more. Hell, you should be completely discounting THIS opinion due to bias anyway, on account of it being a literal asterisk point from the people trying to sell it to you.
>proving those opinions wrong
it's my opinion that you're a raging troony homosexual with 8 valve dev dicks in his throat right now. Prove me wrong
>can't argue that the downgrade isn't scummy anti-consumer garbage
>change tack and start trying to argue that the downgrade doesn't exist
I hate deck shills so much.
Still waiting for someone to show the x2 drive being slower than the x4
Nobody has to. It's an objectively slower part, idiot. prove a 3090 is faster than my 16mb voodoo. I want direct comparisons.
>It's an objectively slower part
Then surely there would be at least one video or one post comparing the two parts, right?
>Then surely there would be at least one video or one post comparing the two parts, right?
prove that a 3090 is faster than my voodoo 3dfx. If it IS, there ought to be at least one video comparing the two, right?
>whataboutism
Still waiting for the x2 x4 comparison
Don't need a comparison. It's literally a downgraded part. the x2 is objectively inferior.
doesn't really matter unless you were planning to use the steamdeck for something other than vidya.
Which you should be free to do?
i guess but there's no reason to do so. like are you really planning on using it to edit videos?
lol remember last week, when the deck was a PC, so it's all about freedom, and Linux is all about freedom and the deck is about being free to use it as you wish?
What happened to that?
>Ganker is one person
Anon, literally everyone on Ganker should be of the mind that a PC should be open to user freedom. Because otherwise, it's called a console.
the original difference with pcs and consoles was programming tools. they could be using the same hardware, but the pc booted into some programming environment, while a console was for end users. there wasn't this other autistic category of ricers who whined about freedom but were really just users themselves and couldn't program shit. linux created this useless group.
There was some madman the other day who installed Gentoo, you were saying?
I mean we still haven't really addressed the fact from other hardware as part of the steam deck it couldn't actually make full use of 4x speed anyway.
did people say they were going to use their steam deck for work, what are you talking about?
So, it's not a PC, then. It's a gimped steam console.
Huh? It's still a pc. You can still do whatever you want with it. Nobody is stopping you.
it's not that you CAN'T, it's that you probably shouldn't
You argue like someone who is in middle school.
Take it up with the steamie weenie that sold you that crock of shit. This is a gaming handheld console first and foremost, anything else is a bonus because it doesn't have artificial barriers put in the way like other consoles have. It's not a laptop replacement and anyone who denies this is coping.
>This is a gaming handheld console first and foremost, anything else is a bonus*
*some units may ship with "flaw", which in our opinion shows no difference to "bonus"
Why bother worrying about something that nobody is gonna use?
>deck shills so bad at argument that their position is now "Just don't worry about it!"
Welp, my work here is done exposing you weirdoes. Enjoy your 300 more posts of raw cope, because nobody is listening to you.
So is this some weird autistic internet crusade?
There's a non-zero possibility he's an actual shill for the Aya Neo
that make sense. We have to be careful, there are so many pretenders out here trying to take the deck's crown
Black person shut your fake ass the frick up.
>testing now means opinion
>the x2 is objectively inferior
The manufacturers say it isn't, why is it so hard to provide evidence that proves them wrong?
>The manufacturers say it isn't
lol wut? Where? Do you think the valve devs are "manufacturers" now?
Do you?
>This guy told me 2 is more than 4, prove him wrong
Are you genuinely moronic? You can't even grasp the concept of more and less.
Anon, did you know that some GPUs perform exactly the same on x8 PCI lanes as x16?
Prove it
Less than 0.5% difference
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2488-pci-e-3-x8-vs-x16-performance-impact-on-gpus
That's what I figured. I didn't figure it'd offer much more battery. That said, the deck still can't max out even two lanes, so I understand why Valve is doing this.
They're not changing the mobo, moron. They're changing the drives. Work on your reading comprehension.
>They're not changing the mobo
I'm mocking people like you
>I-I was only pretending to be moronic
I guess if you understood the joke you wouldn't be sperging out about this in the first place.
your heart is in the right place but you are too moronic to have this conversation.
oh hey, an actual bot post! *snap*
you just don't understand what you're talking about. wait for the LTT video in a couple weeks after they get their hands on one. but in the meantime, stop talking about things that you don't understand.
>Can't argue the downgrade isn't scummy anti-consumer garbage
The theoretical maximum data bandwidth of the cpu being below the theoretical maximum bandwidth of the x4 spec doesn't qualify?
No, of course it doesn't qualify. You're paying for a device with certain specs. If you don't get that, you're getting israeliteed. Simple as.
Bro it literally isn't a downgrade.
Are you a techlet?
Technically it is a downgrade, but it's not meaningful given the specifications of the device. It would matter if you were taking the SSD out of your steam deck and putting it into a computer.
Realistically, the 2x part should have been what was in the Deck from the very beginning start.
Probably, but it's likely as an OEM supply they probably got the x4 SSDs for a better deal.
>Asking for clarification of an online article headline is damage control
>by the way it completely justifies shilling!
You REALLY suck at this.
you can't get away from the paddling
Valve downgrades their system, meanwhile AYN upgraded everyone's battery in the Odin but somehow Valve are the good ones here in the mind of a Steam drone.
how much better is the 6800U supposed to be?
Than what?
than the thing it's being compared to in this thread, the Steam Deck
Oh, word is about 50% to 80% faster than the deck, but I would probably say more like 30% myself, at a direct comparison. Battery life is going to be much improved too.
Doesnt make a difference you god damn techlets. It's like a car having a part that can run 250km/hr. But then the company changed that part so that it only goes for 125km/hr.
But none of this is relevant because overall the car itself can only realistically run at 100km/hr because of bottlenecks to its capabilities not related to the replaced part.
Are you people moronic?
WHY DIDNT THEY MAKE IT CHEAPER THEN???
Uncharitably? Because they don't have to.
Charitably? Odds are good they're making the change because supply is shit and prices are up, so it's not actually a cost savings for them, it's keeping the COGS neutral
I think one of the valve employees said it was due to ramping up production
Man, availability of everything is such a b***h right now. So fricking tired of suppliers being low on raw materials. Three fricking weeks before we can get in sheets of plastic, ridiculous.
I'm a filthy bushman 4 days out of the week so I just wanted the glass because it's more scratch resistant and easier to clean.
>buy steam deck
>immediately upgrade SSD anyway
meh, at least it's not like nintendo and TN/IPS displays (altho it is bad cause they don't indicate which one you'll get like nintendo)
So glad my 3DS is IPS.
How do they get away with this?
Because Steamies are a cult.
It's a religion.
Valve could blow up the white house and the steamies would still defend it.
They are mentally moronic.
>you can break DRM
Yeah, but why buy it from Steam, when you can get it without any DRM on GOG?
>waaaaahhhh, buy it on Steam for achievements
2 minutes later
>achievements do not matter or count waaaaa
They are mentally ill.
I wasn't talking about the Steam Deck, schizo.
>but Nintendo
They are actually called out for their shit Switch, moron schizo.
>Valve could blow up the white house and the steamies would still defend it
You say that like the former vice president ISN'T at like a 23% approval rating with the entire country.
That's fake news.
He is beloved by everyone, especially children.
Are you an election conspiracy theorist?
I don't know, is it appropriate for a sitting federal office to regularly and repeatedly threaten its citizens for any sort of questions after the prior executive attendant spent the entire four years of attendance bogged by accusations of electoral fraud which even in spite of a lack of evidence both timely and excessive evaluation was allowed to take place?
Don't be a conspiracy theorist.
You are a minority.
Most people took the jab too.
Technically electoral fraud doesn't require a national scale conspiracy, and can be committed by multiple independent actors.
That is unless you're accidentally admitting to something rather than just misusing the term "Conspiracy Theory" for "Observations of Suspicious Actions"
>it...it's fraud
conspiracy theorist, be gone.
Biden is the best president ever.
Even does stunts himself, like falling of bikes.
Glad to see we're both all in good fun here.
The narrative for the past couple of years has been "widespread" voter fraud.
Widespread doesn't necessarily imply conspiracy
There's a lot of shootings in the US but that doesn't mean there's actors coordinating to commit these repeated crimes.
>but that doesn't mean there's actors
You almost got it, champ.
>implying the feds wouldn't sacrifice people's kids to lunatics to try and emotionally blackmail them into giving up their rights
>implying the crisis actors thing wasn't a fed scheme to legitimize the unpersoning of bill hicks
Oh they do, but when they do there is a high risk involved, because sometimes people do not accept getting bought with millions of tax payer money and then you have to get rid of them too and that's quite suspicious.
Pic probably related
>that pic
Just a coincidence.
Anon, feds don't give a frick about people. It would be literally the most moronic thing they could possibly do to use crisis actors for shootings, when they can just vaguely push a nutcase in the direction of the nearest gun free zone and let what inevitably happens happen, whack the nutcase you let loose on the people you genuinely could not give less of a shit about, bing bang boom. Great emotional blackmail, no loose ends to rat on because the target doesn't know the attacker and the attacker's dead.
The crisis actors thing was genuinely, a fed informant that got in talks with you know who to intentionally sabotage him and pull attention away from the fact that there literally is never a case where these guys aren't known entities to law enforcement.
>It would be literally the most moronic thing they could possibly do to use crisis actors for shootings
You do not understand.
When there is an actual shooting, they do not control the narrative.
What if it's a Black person?
What if it's a veteran?
Something that breaks the mass media disinfo.
That's why they fake that shit, for full control.
That's also why for certain shootings they know immediately that it's their terror (it's their actors) or not. That would be impossible if it was real, because they can't figure that out so quickly.
Nice try you dumb fed, you're not going to trick me with your bullshit.
I know you guys approved the two rifles used in Uvalde, and I'm well aware of the tactic of intentionally proposing a ridiculous situation to cover up the far more awful one.
Yep, everyone is a fed on here trying to fool you.
Everything you see on the fake news is fake.
Why don't get politicians and CEO get shot?
If I was a psychopath, I would go for these.
Why regular people?
That makes no ssense, unless it's supposed to be about fear.
Why would regular people give interviews on fake news?
Do regular people act like that?
Wouldn't they be in shock?
Maybe even half of their face missing?
Have you even seen actual gun wounds?
>Why do psychos not attack heavily protected targets
Literally not even trying
>heavily protected targets
So what?
If I was fed up with the lying and cheating and corruption, it would go there, and not kill children, because wtf is that supposed to do?
It's just stupid.
Not saying that this other thing would do something, because in the end these are also actors.
>there are totally psychos out there
Mineral deficiency, on pharma drugs, etc.
But these aren't reported, because not controlled.
The reported ones are fear porn, fictional fear porn.
They say they're doing it to speed up deliveries. It seems like a bad move, I'd personally rather wait an extra month or two than get israeliteed on the "shittier" version while other people are getting the "better" version by pure luck. It will suck if next gen games start actually using NVMes but since it's not a windows platform it probably will never be supported anyway.
Games are programmed to work on HDD speeds because reasons.
Some get up to sata ssd speed requirements and actually write "requires a whole ssd"
These are nvme which no game can utilize to large degree.
>These are nvme which no game can utilize to large degree.
That's both MS and Sony's design goals. MS more clearly so with DirectWrite.
(me)
ignore the pic. was for another post.
I dont own an nvme ssd on my rtx 3080 pc because theres literally nothing I can gain from it atm.
Directwhatever can come, but theres no games, for years and years.
This sadly. DirectStorage is just going to be another hyped up meme that two games use.
*DirectStorage
DirectWrite is a completely unrelated older technology related to font rendering.
Linux has also supported a similar thing with point-to-point NVMe for a while (before microsoft even started pushing DirectStorage) but nothing really uses it yet and the kernel API isn't exactly stable.
It can't saturate 4 PCEe 3.0 lanes on the Steam Deck. A variety of factors end up choking the device before it can saturate even two lanes. This obviously doesn't hold true when we're talking about devices with far more CPU cores.
my bad. i knew i got it wrong somehow.
i'm not exactly sure what sony's alternative is, but it does exist. it's a lot of words and no single buzzword api though.
yeah can't wait to see direct storage in action in 2030. shit like this always takes years to adopt.
Just in time for Steam Deck 2: the Steam Duck
yeah, but in the future games will allegedly use direct storage where the gpu can fetch data directly from the ssd and bypass the cpu. this could saturate the SSD in gameplay but nothing that currently exists on steam uses it as far as I'm aware. windows 11 has drivers written by microshart to compete with the ps5 which is why this is relevant now. It's unclear if linux systems will ever have drivers that are compatible with games using direct storage without developers specifically enabling it. sort of a directX type situation.
>It's unclear if linux systems will ever have drivers that are compatible with games using direct storage without developers specifically enabling it. sort of a directX type situation
APIs for this already exist on Linux. I'm sure Valve will have a compatibility layer for DirectStorage within a week after release.
then the x2ies are getting cucked lel
Maybe if the SSD is fast enough. Also, apparently DirectStorage is already out (but no game uses it), so Valve needs to hurry the frick up.
I imagine it's super low priority for them since it's still vaporware. I imagine PC adoption is going to be extremely slow and it will only be on AAA microsoft/sony published console ports for the next decade. I'd still rather wait longer for my delivery even fully understanding that it's bottlenecked elsewhere for basically my entire usecase.
Aren't we still waiting for Ray tracing compatibility layers?
I'm not a graphics developer, but that seems a little more complicated than DirectStorage. I think RT already works decently well on Linux if you have NVIDIA. AMD can work if you use their proprietary driver but not with the open driver that Valve is using.
KHR_ray_query support was flipped on by default in May. It's still pretty WIP, unfortunately. The mesa devs are chugging along but complete raytracing support in vulkan is still a bit off.
Recently they got most of NV_mesh_shader in place for AMD cards. It'll probably make it next Mesa release.
>APIs for this already exist on Linux
And still no one it.
Whoa just like Linux in general.
Okay this is a serious question.
If the Deck can't feasibly reach the max output of the SSD then why did Valve even go for the 4x in the first place? Shouldn't they have gone for 2x at the very start?
Supply chain shit
Might have been existing as a distribution scheme from the manufacturer.
These are the kinds of small details that are usually best answered with "the supplier gave us a good deal on this thing that met our other requirements, and it just didn't really come up until now"
Unironically this is just how manufacturing and logistics go.
You take what you can get.
The number of supported PCI E lanes of an M.2 SSD isn't really that important in its pricing.
Shut the frick up moron.
Lord Gaben could buy your prostitute mother and rape her if he wanted.
All hail Lord Gaben! Glory to the PC master race!
oh no, the downgraded SSD will operate a nanosecond slower
How do I tell if mine's downgraded?
If you have one already probably not. If you're getting one you could probably pop it open and check the SSD itself, it has a sticker on it detailing specifications.
sudo lspci -vv | grep -A 50 01:00.0 | grep 'LnkSta:'
Alternatively, an anon said the BIOS will tell you
ty anon. Looks like I'm good. If I ever rip it out to use in my PC I could use all 4 lanes.
It's not a downgrade if the device couldn't even reach that "grade" to begin with you idiots.
Imagine holding this huge cringy piece of shit in your hands
I'm tired of imagining, start the q3 orders already for fricks sake
does this change actually save power, if so how much are we talking. 1w, 2w, 4w?
@604256040
>strawman
No more (You)s
That's not a strawman, you're missing a fundamental tenet of reality. You have genuine problems and you should see a doctor for them.
@604256227
>valve saying they've found no impact to gaming performance between the x2 and x4 SSD is somehow the same as them saying the number 2 is more than the number 4
Like I said, strawman
>No argument
>no rebuttal
I accept your concession.
I accept yours as well
Imagine not being one of the first people to get a Steam Deck. Fricking decklets.
>VRRRRRRRRR
>technical looking
>update screen
How about they rename themselves to Unfinished Corp.
This console war shit cannot be healthy for you. Get some sun or something, it'll clear your head.
Go suck Sweeney's wiener some more.
>buy console with 40 mil pcb trace
>component only draws 1µA
>company revises board and ships some units with 20 mil trace instead
>scammed out of potential current throughput
Man you people are dumb.
The 2x models should have been what Valve used to begin with.
They're just finally dealing with the SSD supply chain better.
>valve won't release sales numbers
>previous hardware all flopped hardcore
>instead change the specs to save literally pennies on each unit
UH OH
They literally doubled production of the Steam Deck. There was a Steam News entry about it.
how is that relevant? They probably need to rush them out because they can't afford to keep renting the factory floor kek
>VALVE WON'T RELEASE SALES NUMBERS
>okay but they doubled production
>LOLE WHY DOES THAT MATTER????
have a nice day, chink.
he didn't say it didn't matter. He literally laughed at it being further evidence of failure.
"he"
Frick off, schizo.
>Ganker is one person
>wanting proprietary carts on an open console
At least make a less moronic argument like
>I want a second microSD card slot.
>open
Why even bother.
Open means cheaters.
What's even the point?
>but you can copy Nintendo games on it and play them
So it's made for Black folk who don't pay for their games, got it.
Who are you quoting, GPT3-kun?
(you)
these threads with screencapped articles, the article title copypasted into the post then one line of greentext are marketers right?
deck threads are marketer threads, period
you are correct
only it's not valve marketers
>only it's not valve marketers
who else could it be selling the steam deck?
you haven't noticed the fact that 90% of the posts in these threads are anti deck FUD?
what you have here is an unholy alliance of microsoft marketers and chink shills, both of which have a lot to lose if the deck becomes succesful, combined with clueless console warriors and the usual baiters and shitposters, resulting in misinformation and general idiocy being rampant
>FUD
why are you using marketer's terms?
It's almost like the term "FUD" was invented to refer to Microsoft's marketing strategies or something.
because it's an apt descriptor
It really isn't though. This is a response to something that valve have actually done. It's not just fear, uncertainty or doubt. It's a response.
>it's lies when people say that there is no physical media support
>total lies
>it's not updates updates updates updates
>and the Steam Dreck can totally get the games directly from Windows PCs with Steam installed
>haha, it would be totally moronic to have to download them once again from Steam via Internet connection
>claiming so is FUD
Why are Steamies lying so much?
>it's lies when people say that there is no physical media support
up until you brought it up no one was even talking about physical media because the very concept of cartridges for the deck is stupid
The concept of the Steam Dreck is FRICKING stupid already.
>but I want a mini-PC
What's the fricking point. Get a notebook, moron.
if there's a use case for a switch then there is a use case for a deck
also, I own a notebook, it sucks, I wish I had something smaller but not minuscule
>Get a notebook
Post a video of you playing Factorio while holding a notebook in your hands for at least an hour and I will. Shouldn't be a problem if it's the same as a Deck.
Why would I hold it in my hand?
It's a big screen that I can put anywhere.
That's what a table is for. And it supports all kinds of controllers and other stuff too.
And doesn't use OS created by mentally ill trannies.
Do you have any recommendations for gaming tablets that are as strong as the steam deck?
A notebook, because I can use physical media with it.
For example play GTA as it was supposed to be played.
inb4
>but but I can steal
Cope
>Why would I hold it in my hand?
Because the Deck is a handheld. You're claiming a notebook is a viable alternative, so post a video of using it as a handheld gaming device. If you can't, hopefully you will reflect on what a gigantic moronic moron you were, and won't post any more "just get a laptop" crap in the future every time a Deck is brought up
>handheld
No, it isn't.
The 3DS is a handheld, because it's very small.
The Dreck is too big for that.
The Shitch is also not a handheld.
No, the Deck is a handheld because you hold it in your hands, and it was designed that way. Go be moronic with your goalpost moving somewhere else mongoloid.
I can also be moronic and claim a 3ds isn't a handheld because it's a brick with 0 ergonomics and doesn't fit into your hand aka not a handheld.
I can hold my notebook in my hands.
Doesn't make my notebook a handheld, dumb frick.
Then why don't you post a video of someone holding one for an hour while playing a game?
It's genuinely amazing seeing the number of genuine bot and chinese shills/FUDposting, outright lies, etc posted in these threads, it's outright blatant at this point.
This is such a horrible place to discuss anything, but it's somehow even worse in these threads.
You have to wonder, who is it that wants people not to buy steam decks so badly, is it a combination of groups and individuals or one particular thing?
All said and done I'm pretty happy with mine, but wow.
>god why can't the deck be more restrictive, proprietary and shitty?
what the frick am I reading?
Console warriors are extremely mentally ill. There is no legitimate reason for their actions other than something being wrong with their brain.
More like brand loyalists in general. I really wonder where humanity went wrong.
Mentally ill people have always existed, you just didn't have the internet constantly exposing them to the world.
I'm not even sure these people legitimately hold these opinions, I think they just have a vested interest in less steam deck sales.
People are disgusted what Steam is doing.
- ruined PC gaming around 20 years ago
- now trying to ruin portable consoles with their digital only shit
They deserve to starve.
Frick them.
Anti-psychotics would solve this problem.
I'm not convinced they would. I think he needs a .22 in the head.
>wanting to own games is psychotic now
t. moron
>wanting big box based PC gaming back is psychotic as well
t. zoomer scum
>put game files on an SD card
>I now own the game
checkmate, moron
You seem to have forgotten that shit like StarForce existed back then which required the disc to be inserted to play, so I'd like to remind you that DRM has always existed and was always a piece of invasive shit.
I can still even play these disc DRM games.
disc DRM games >>>>>>>>>> online server shit
Digital and unfricked user ownership is literally the ideal setup for a portable device.
False.
But nice going for the WEF "you won't own anything" agenda.
Download-only portables means as soon as the company shuts support down, all games will vanish and the hardware will be useless and worthless.
And Valve already stopped supporting Windows XP, this means games not running properly on later Windows versions can't be played. This also means people that simply want to play games they purchased on Windows XP, can't play them anymore, because of the shitty online DRM of Steam.
This is just plain sad.
>I, I upgrade to the new Steam Dreck, because Steam shut off support
>that's fine because I'm moronic consoomer
>But nice going for the WEF "you won't own anything" agenda.
>Download-only portables means as soon as the company shuts support down, all games will vanish and the hardware will be useless and worthless.
Valve could explode like the death egg at the end of Sonic 2 tomorrow.
Literally all my DRM free games would work.
There would be literally nothing stopping me from getting a crack for my steam games on the device.
Unlike you, you subhuman animal I don't hold the same fake opinion that Software is immune to any sort of ownership rights or stakes.
Now go fricking put a bullet in your head for enabling that, and also undermining the ownership of even physical copies, because it's literally all just data.
>Literally all my DRM free games would work.
Which are your DRM free games on Steam?
Can you select for them specifically in the Steam store?
A customer friendly company would do that.
In fact GOG makes sure games work.
Steam doesn't do shit.
>Which are your DRM free games on Steam?
ESL chink shillchan, and too long for one post.
>Can you select for them specifically in the Steam store?
Not specifically through the steam store but there's easily available lists of DRM free titles.
>Not specifically through the steam store
Got it.
>but fan sites
Don't mean shit.
>Steam doesn't have DRM free games because they don't advertise it directly on their store
lol
Steam itself doesn't even need drm free games for this particular argument, the argument is centered around the deck itself, which has access to more than just steam.
Unlike certain other products which only have access to their companies respective stores.
>Zoomer laughs in moronness
You know on GOG it's simple. I buy game. I know it's DRM free and if they go down, it will still work.
On Steam I can't do that. I have to research and trust shitty fan sites, that may be wrong, despite it would be trivial to implement such a feature.
They are not interested in doing that.
Why?
They claim to be customer friendly and "btter than pirating".
When you pirate you also know that your stolen game has no DRM anymore.
Why pay the Steam israelites, when they are way worse and do a shitty job at literally everything?
Windows XP isn't a supported os that has nothing to do with valve
If youre still hanging on to XP you don't understand computers will enough to try to have this argument. You literally just have autism and can't stand change.
>it it isn't supported
That doesn't mean anything.
The NES isn't supported by Nintendo anymore, but it still works because it has no shitty online DRM
>but update, consoom more
My games work, cope.
It means quite a lot in the realm of operational security
Things change over time, it's part of the world, the world doesn't stop because you have crippling autism.
>operational security
What does this even mean?
You understand you can use a PC without internet access?
You understand you can use a PC on a network without internet?
You understand what security issues even are?
If all games worked on Windows 10 or 11, then maybe you had one point (but you still wouldn't, because it's consooom and buy new hardware and other crap, which I refuse to do when it works).
Imagine buying NES games and then Nintendo steps in and tells you that you have to buy a SNES to continue playing them. And use security and unsupported NES (lies) as arguments.
Fact is: if Valve gave a shit they could easily keep Windows XP support,but they don't, because they don't give a shit. They artificially limit their shitty DRM client so that you are forced to consoom.
>You understand you can use a PC without internet access?
For now.
Windows XP will work forever.
Latest Windows may stop working without internet, exactly.
And shitty corporations like Valve will FORCE you into that.
And I will refuse.
They can frick off.
The UN will come after you.
you were never gonna buy it even if valve did release hl2 on a cartridge
I actually bought Half-Life 2 on disc.
And in fact they are right now releasing Portal 1+2 for Shitch, which I will probably buy.
I also already own that on disc as well.
Now cope.
And I do that despite hating what Valve is.
>Buying 15 year old shitty ports
Wow I'm really jealous
>345 posts
>69 posters
Yeah, I should have bought Half-Life 3.
Left 4 Dead 3.
Portal 3.
Oh wait.
hahahahahaaa
maybe valve would've put more effort into XP support if microsoft wasn't breathing down their neck 24/7
Valve claims they are anti-Microsoft, but they aren't.
And in fact the Gaben frick is "ex" Microsoft.
Like Snowden is "ex" CIA.
>For now
It's been For Now for 40 years already. When is your For Now gonna become something substantial
in two weeks
>for 40 years
Windows XP
>40 years
Windows 10
>40 years
You are literally moronic.
And Windows 10 already has forced updates.
And it's not really your OS, you would know that if you weren't a soulless zoomer.
No, 42 years. MS-DOS, 1981. And every single version since can be used offline. And there are no forced updates. You would know this if you weren't a tech illiterate zoomer.
What you claimed was "for now", which is idiotic, because no one claimed that to happen during DOS days.
There were other things to complain about.
No one even claimed that 20 years now, right now the path is obvious for anyone with a brian.
And in fact back then PC games were mostly high quality games that were properly tested and just worked.
There was not constant updating going on for unfinished and broken software.
>Properly tested
Black person, nobody tested shit in the 6th and 7th gen. Game releases are more stable now than 20 years ago, and if they weren't, people actually get around to patching them. People scream like dogs when there's a bad release because that's the exception now.
>Game releases are more stable now than 20 years ago,
Lies.
PS2 started getting buggy games at the end of its life, zoomer. Preparing for the buggy PS3 future.
MGS2 and games like that worked flawlessly, and were even 60 fps.
However other consoles like the Wii continued on, because when developers fricked up, they had to do a recall.
Still even on Wii U most games did not get patched, or at least not patched for bug fixes, because most games were properly tested.
And thus the HD gaming means buggy games meme was shattered forever.
Another lie.
Internet was a thing on PC since basically forever, more common were BBSes, but games were patched to hell and back like they are nowadays. Most were properly tested and developers still gave a shit about them.
Yes, that's a PS3/360 generation game.
Compare that to the original PS2 release, which ran properly and was well tested.
That's modern gaming in a nutshell.
imagine porting an existing game over, and even fricking that up.
Zoomer developers in a nutshell.
Yes, that meme hack'n slash developer is shit and overrated
>PS3
Not PS2, cope.
Everyone knows that the shit hit the fan during HD gaming phase with Snoy.
awful ports like the saturn version of sotn existed, nes was also full of broken games, especially rpgs like ff1. pokemon on gb is also notoriously buggy
>but saturn
No one gave a shit about failed systems.
why did you ignore the rest of my post
Because it's irrelevant.
No one had a Saturn. Everyone had a SNES.
what? you ignored the part of my post where i pointed out buggy games like ff1 and pokemon.
>2 games were totally really buggy
>2 games
Is this another 2 weeks meme in the making?
How many examples specifically do you want me to post?
Show me let's say 20 Sierra games from back then, adventure games, that locked the computer up when playing in a wrong way.
I know of one issue in Quest for Glory 1, again the shitty VGA remake, that had a serious script bug, which in fact broke the interpreter.
And that was actually the start of modern gaming and proves my point.
QfG1 VGA was rushed, anyone who played both knows that.
>it has to be from this one specific company
Why?
You said buggy games were everywhere.
I'm fine with LucasArts games as well.
But I guess you searched for some fan site with some unknown games with some issues and want to win an argument, which you won't.
Back then most games were properly tested. That doesn't mean that every game worked flawlessly, or that even games that were properly tested didn't contain bugs.
But if you want to say and you do that games nowadays are even better than the quality of games back then, then you are talking out of your ass.
>You said buggy games were everywhere
I didn't say that you schizo
also what the frick is with this arbitrary restriction of "the games all have to be from the same company", what the frick is that?
Almost all adventure games back then were either Sierra or LucasArts, fricking schizo zoomer.
Wait why did you make up this restriction that my list only be one genre? Where did that come from?
>QfG1 VGA was rushed, anyone who played both knows that.
I mean frick they even cut the kino carpet ride at the end of the game from VGA remake.
That's actually even the prototype "remaster" of current days. Shitty, buggy and missing content.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UnintentionallyUnwinnable/Sierra
Sierra games have so many ways to soft lock them or bug them out there are entire wiki pages dedicated to them.
>unwinnable, because didn't get an item in time, and can't go back
That's bad game DESIGN, you moronic frick, not a bug.
That's like saying having to restart a game when you lose all lives is a bug.
>computer speed issue on faster computers
I already mentioned that.
And as I said - it's fascinating how few bugs the QfG games have, because they had so much content and so many ways to play through them.
You are actually proving my point, dumb frick.
So old games are designed like shit?
Some were, tons of modern games are also designed like shit.
Didn't get thing before cut off point.
Isn't that what games are doing nowadays all the time in regards of achievements?
Do you consider that a bug or not?
Choose wisely.
No, because not getting an achievement doesn't mean "Throw out the save files and start over". God, what a moronic false equivalence.
>achievements do not matter
For some they are part of the game, and they literally are.
You can't turn them off in Steam nor on Playstation. Probably also not on Xbox.
>"Throw out the save files and start over"
That's factually incorrect.
When you have save FILES, you can return to a previous save file to fix your progress.
It's like screaming that Demon's Souls allowed you to kill important NPCs with no way of getting them back. That was a game design decision. You may think it's shitty, but it's not a bug at all. And it's also only your moronic zoomer opinion anyway.
>Oh no, I have to start from the beginning of a level? THAT'S A BUG
It would be a bug if you killed an NPC and the game locked up. Simple as that.
patches became a thing as soon as internet became common you fricking liar
>And in fact back then PC games were mostly high quality games that were properly tested
Do zoomers really believe shit like this? This is the vidya equivalent of I was born in le wrong generation redditors
Remember Tomb Raider?
Actual Tomb Raider, not nu Raider.
Released for PS1, PC etc.
Was it buggy? No, ran absolutely fine, because it was a properly tested DOS game.
Then came Tomb Raider 2, still fine.
Followed by Tomb Raider 3, which was a buggy broken mess on PC. And it was of course a Windows 9x game using ShitX.
>Remember Tomb Raider?
>Was it buggy? No
Yes it was dumb zoomer. Look at change logs for any source port of Tomb Raider just to see how many bugs it actually had
Here's an example:
https://github.com/rr-/Tomb1Main
Scroll down until you get to the part where it talks about all the bugs and glitches it fixes from the original game
Here's just a tiny snippet:
fixed keys and items not working when drawing guns immediately after using them
fixed not being able to close level stats with Escape
fixed freeze when holding action key during end of level
fixed reading user settings not restoring the volume
fixed Tomb of Tihocan playing secret sound
fixed The Great Pyramid secret
fixed running out of ammo forcing Lara to equip pistols even if she doesn't carry them
fixed a crash when Lara is on fire and goes too far away from where she caught fire
fixed settings not being saved when exiting the game with Alt+F4
fixed settings not persisting chosen layout (default vs. user keys)
fixed the sound of collecting a secret killing the music
fixed the infamous Tihocan crocodile bug (integer overflow causing creatures to deal damage across the entire level)
fixed Lara jumping forever when alt+tabbing out of the game
fixed Lara voiding if a badly placed timed door closes on her (doesn't occur in OG levels)
fixed bats being positioned too high
fixed Lara not being able to grab parts of some bridges
fixed alligators dealing no damage if Lara remains still in the water
fixed shotgun shooting when a locked target moves out of Lara's sight
I played Tomb Raider in Dos so many times, no issues at all, no crashes, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Wait, your own link:
This is an open source implementation of the classic Tomb Raider I game. It was made by reverse engineering the TombATI / GLRage variant of the original game and replacing proprietary audio/video libraries with open source variants.
YOU ARE FRICKING moronic.
That's a reverse engineered version of Tomb Raider, created by FRICKING zoomer idiot developers.
>it talks about all the bugs and glitches it fixes from the original game
read Black person reas
Why would I trust moronic zoomer developers?
The original game worked fine.
It's reverse engineered, which means tons of new bugs added, especially when zoomers are involved.
Original Tomb Raider was not open sourced, but nice try, you fricking liar.
>but a bat was placed too high
Oh wow, such a big bad "bug" you got there.
Compared to current days gaming really a horrible "bug".
>works on my pc
That's actually a modern gaming issue.
OG Tomb Raider was a really fine piece of work.
>but that one bat!!!
Idiot.
>That's actually a modern gaming issue
Now I know you're a liar
It is.
>it doesn't work for you?
>well, update your graphics driver
>update your OS
>did you change to Windows XP compatibility
>still doesn't work?
>frick
>download this fan patch
so there was no such thing as multiple graphical APIs before directX?
Original Tomb Raider for DOS was software rendered.
There also was a 3dfx accelerated version, which ran perfectly, and of course this was 3dfx only, and it was properly tested, unlike Tomb Raider 3.
>I haven't found bugs so there means there weren't any
Classic example of zoomer logic.
>No, ran absolutely fine, because it was a properly tested DOS game.
The amount of RPGs and Adventure/Puzzle games that you could soft lock just because you did things out of order or in a non-intended order was higher on DOS than on any other system in history combined. Thinking DOS games were bug free or extremely tested is delusion.
Hell some of the most famous game breaking bugs in history were from DOS games, like Gandhi in Civ 1 using nukes all the time because of a negative integer bug.
>soft lock
Show me, you fricking lying piece of shit.
I played so many Sierra games. There were some which had a few issues, but most worked absolutely fine, including Sierra's open world RPG Hero's Quest / Quest for Glory, which had so much content and various ways to play through it.
The actually broken version was the VGA remake, the EGA original was properly tested and it's fascinating that even after this many years almost no bugs showed up.
Look up ScummVM game patches for Sierra games. It's obvious when software quality went downhill.
But still Gabriel Knight 1 worked pretty fine, it had issues on faster computers, but that's another topic.
The banana is red. This is important, please listen. I will ask you about this again at the end of this passage.
Operational security isn't on topic. That said:
What color is the banana?
Are you fricking moronic?
It's a LINUX machine for frick sake anon. Valve could be nuke by chinks tomorrow and every single Deck would still work. Sure, you might have to jump through the hoop of cracking the games you have on it but after that it will continiue working just like any othe PC on this planet filled with moronic apes.
>linux means no online DRM involved
>but but but I can crack games and steal them
>that makes it great
Everyone can also do that on Switch, as on 3DS.
So what you are saying is that online DRM isn't bad because some asshat can crack it.
Idiots like you are the cancer of society.
Instead of supporting stores that sell it without DRM in the first place, you fricking monkey support a shitty corporation instead and then even defend that shitty customer-hating corporation.
LINUX means that you can literally just sidestep the fricking DRM you moronic ape. Hell, if the OS stops working for whatever fricking reason you can install ANY other OS on the fricking thing that has support for the hardware inside it.
This has nothing to do with DRM and everything to do with you being such a dumb autist that you are unable to look past the fact that the device in question is made by a company called Valve
>haha, I can hack it
3DS + Switch can also get hacked.
You got nothing, except for a OS that was developed by mentally ill trannies and support trannies and Code of Conducts which is leftist garbage.
>I CAN STEAL GAMES
>SEE, IT'S ALL FINE
For the 5th fricking time. It's not a fricking console, it's a fricking PC.
You know, like that laptop you might have? That desktop you are probably posting from right now? It's like those two, but in another formfactor. As soon as the hardware is in your hand, you can do whatever the FRICK you want with it and if that means never using it to buy a single Steam game or even using the software that came with it, then so be it.
The difference here is that Nintendo does their fricking best in limiting how their users use THEIR hardware, but on something like the Deck, you can literally just use an USB stick and install/use whatever the frick you want on it, no strings attatched since they don't even deny warranty for people who does it
>a PC
Do you even know what PC means?
Personal computer. That is all.
Is a console a personal computer?
Yes.
>you can do whatever the FRICK you want with it
You can, however that may result in a ban from Valve depending on what you do.
And thanks to the morons that you are, Valve knows which serial number went to whom.
So when I hack the Switch, Nintendo doesn't know who I am. But Valve does.
Cope.
>however that may result in a ban from Valve
You're not even trying to sound sane any more.
>Valve doesn't ban cheaters
Oh you
>Banning an actual cheater from playing online which is something every online game does since the mid 90s is the same as banning someone because they installed generic third party software or a different OS on the device
Like I said, you're even farther from sounding sane with every post
>noooo, you can do anything you want with your hardware, but you aren't banned
>unless you cheat, yeah
>As always the Valve overlords would never ban you for detecting any modifcation and consider that cheating
>it's only when you knowingly cheat whatever that even is
>but you can do anything with the hardware you want to, really
Schizo
Banning cheaters from online games is bad how exactly?
>again, the overlords can never be wrong
Take your vaccine and be done with it, NPC.
>Install a game
>Agree to a EULA which says you will be banned for cheating
>Cheat
>Get banned
>Blame Valve for your own choice
You're literally using the same arguments the average DINDU NUFIN Black folk use when cops pull a gun on them
>What do you mean I wasn't supposed to be robbing a gas station officer, THATS RAYCIST
>you cheated because Steam says so
Always trust authority, they know best.
>DINDU NUFFIN MAN
A literal Black person typed that post
>Valve knows best, always
Get your poison vaccine, naow.
I'm so sick of people like you.
>NO OFFICER MY TYRONE WAS AN INNOCENNT BABY BOY NEVER DONE NUFFIN
>even going for the Valve is now police meme
I trust the police more than Valve, and I don't really trust the police.
Valve are scum. Banning games left and right when they feel like it, but not banning similar games when they make too much money.
They are liars and scam artists.
Bro valve is a company and not a democracy.
>it's fine when a company fricks you in the ass
>you deserve that, and when they call you a cheater and weren't cheating, that's also fine because private company
>unlike the police
>UNLIKE THE POLICE
hahahahahaaa
You will be in for a surprise.
>DINDU NUFFIN MAN THEY PLANTED THIS CSGO WALLHACK ON ME CAUSE I WUZ BLACK
>Result in a ban from Valve
>So when I hack the Switch, Nintendo doesn't know who I am. But Valve does.
This argument is not even worth addressing since you have made it plainly obvious that you are either shitposting for (you)s or have such a low IQ that you can't even tell the difference between a Switch and a laptop or even how they track their users
>Steam doesn't track
hahahahaa
They invented that shit in the first place.
Everyone else copied them.
How do they know that you played the game for less than an hour for refunds when they feel like it?
BECAUSE THEY TRACK YOU, you dumb frick.
Everything you do.
>How do they know that you played the game for less than an hour for refunds when they feel like it?
They know because you launched them from Steam, which is your choice. I have plenty of games in my Steam library that show as 0 hours played but in fact I played some of them for more than a 100, just because I use mods or custom launchers that directly launch the .exe from the Steam folder and completely bypass Steam.
>there are some games that don't use Steam online DRM
>figure out which they are, because Steam won't tell you
>haha, this is so great
>I want to refund this game and Steam says no, because it doesn't use Steam DRM
>I want to refund 3 games in a row and Steam blocked me, why???
>But they surely know best, I shouldn't have requested that many refunds in the first place
Things that definitely happened: Part 4
Go ahead, try to refund a few games, they will block you.
You understand you also only have 14 days right? Trying to refund a game from 5 years ago isn't going to work.
And?
I said they will block you if you refund too many games, and that's a fact.
And I sourced that on top of that, while you claimed that it never happened, which is a lie.
Yes? What part of a refund isn't a fricking 2 hours free demo don't you understand?
>You refund 5 games in 6 months
>that means you are "demoing" games, whatever that even means
>there is no way that 5 games in 6 months do not work on your PC, or are of shitty quality, because we at Valve do so much quality testing that this is impossible
You are full of shit, Gabe.
So you are literally just making up random shit and pulling numbers directly from your ass.
The pcgamer article literally says that.
6 months. 5 games.
That's all you get for being a Gabe frick boy.
And who knows, they probably even lowered that limit further, just like Snoy.
>I said they will block you
They won't, you just won't get a refund. Claiming that's the same as having your account banned is just lying.
Also if you think Valve is being strict, you haven't looked at Sony or Nintendo refund policies
>We are unable to provide refunds or exchanges for mistaken purchases, and/or if you don't like the game.
>Also, when you purchase digital content in Nintendo eShop, at the time of your purchase, you consent to Nintendo beginning with the performance of its obligations immediately, before the cancellation period ends, and you acknowledge that you will thereby lose your right to cancel at that point.
>They won't, you just won't get a refund. Claiming that's the same as having your account banned is just lying.
Point me to the part of the post where this was claimed.
The post said "blocked you", not banned you, because of course they want more money out of you.
>but but Sony or Nintendo
Sony + Nintendo still have PHYSICAL MEDIA, which you can buy, and you own it, and you can SELL that physical media, sometimes even for a profit after playing.
And thus have basically unlimited and perfect refunds, which sometimes even give you a profit.
But not for digital-only games.
>but digital games
That's why these are cancer and should be exterminated.
And in fact on Switch you get tons of these indie games on cart, which is actually great.
I hate the Switch, but that's something that is actually good.
>on Switch you get tons of these indie games on cart* **
*for a limited time only
**for 200-500% markup
>markup
>digital game has no value
>markup
>you actually own it vs. you rented/subscribed to it
>markup
Yes, owning things is typically a bit more expensive than renting.
>owning things
If I wanted to "own" my software for preservation, I'd pirate it. I wouldn't pay scalper prices for a $15 indie game.
Has no value either, moron.
For it to have value, you have to actually own it aka have rights, like being able to resell it, dumb frick.
I don't give a frick about value, I care about playing video games. And cancer like LRG stops people from doing that, by design.
>cancer like LRG
>better have everything only digital, which means it goes away when Nintendo, Valve or Snoy chose
moron.
The cancer is actually digital downloads.
LRG sometimes does shitty things, like their Doom collecton on cart requiring a Nintendo Network account, which makes the whole physical on cart pointless.
>scalper
Original release was like §35 without shipping
>how dare you ask for a few dollars on top
Those aren't actually scalper prices.
And btw. you dumb frick, LRG has been doing open pre-order months since forever now.
There are only a few games that are actually released in a really limited state.
>Original release was like §35
LOL
>$20 for a shitty digital download
Way overpriced, dumb moron.
It has no value, so I think 0.25$ would be an acceptable price for this.
>LRG has been doing open pre-order months since forever now.
Who cares? You're still paying nearly double for the privilege of playing a game 6-8 months late. LRG only exists for collectorgays and scalpers. Not for people who play video games.
But it's already obvious you're one of those two, because you never shut up about "muh value"
>privilege
>you play late, oh noes
I own it.
Now frick off, moron.
>collectorgays
There will be a lot of tears the more DRM stores are turned off. And I will laugh at the stupid masses like (you).
>muh value
You see the point of that is: you give Valve your hard earned money, for literally nothing in return.
It's basically like going to cinema, but its your cinema.
I rather spend my money on something that actually has value, and which I can sell if I have to.
(you)
>spends $20 on some shitty digital downloads x200 -> $4000 down the drain, and more than $1000 when to the fat Gaben pig
>lose job
>don't have naything of value, immediately fricked
(me)
>spends $30 on a few LRG releases, on some other SLG releases, on regular physical releases etc.
>lose job
>own thousands of physical games
>sell a few
>I'm good
That's the difference between a moron and something with an IQ over room temperature.
You think even that it's a good deal when a shitty digital download is sold for just $5, while it having no value at all and it can be taken away frm you any time. You are called subscriber for a reason.
>I own it.
Yeah, and I own the nsp I downloaded. And I didn't have to pay an arm and a leg and wait half a year for it to show up.
>Sony + Nintendo still have PHYSICAL MEDIA, which you can buy, and you own it, and you can SELL that physical media, sometimes even for a profit after playing.
I have the entire Switch library on a single hard drive, and I have spent exactly 0$ on it, and as a bonus I don't have my room cluttered with useless plastic toys and boxes like a mentally ill hoarder. So what exactly do you get with your "physical collection", besides junk that you put on your shelves next to your Funko soitoys?
>I'm a Black person
I don't give a shit.
You bought the hard drive? dumb fricking Black person.
You were too chicken shit to steal that one too.
Chicken, chicken, chicken.
And melons.
So even Black folk are smarter than you and know not to waste money on shitty manchild toys?
I wouldn't brag about that online man, it's embarrassing.
>shitty manchild things
>but I got these on my harddrive because
Pathetic, dumb Black.
>Things that definitely happened: Part 4
Steam troony lying as always.
Let me quote it
https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-refunds/
Can you get a warning for refunding too many games?
Yes. If you issue multiple refund requests within a short period of time, Valve will send you a warning along with your refund ticket stating that the refund system is not to be used as a way of demoing games. While there is no official number on how many games you can refund before receiving the warning, it seems to trigger after issuing around five refunds within six months. The standard warning message is as follows:
"You’ve requested a bunch of refunds recently. Please keep in mind that refunds are not a method for trying out games. If we think the refund system is being misused we’ll decline to grant future refunds."
>NOOO I can't abuse refunds what the frick literal fascism Gabe is Hitler
Seethe and dilate
>options like physical media means restrictive and shitty
Cope
>proprietary
The definition of the Steam dreck.
Can you buy it anywhere else, but from the Steam fricks?
>but but I love Steam, let me get fricked by them in the butthole, they are good guys
Posting on Ganker should require you to send hiro a doctor's note confirming you are not schizophrenic or have bpd.
I don't think they're either, they might be paid, or they might have strong beliefs or outright just side with or worship a corporation that they think is threatened somehow.
To add to my post, they don't even seem to post in good faith, so it's clear they have some sort of strong weigh in to results, but no real concern for outright virtues or negatives to the steam deck or steam as a company.
It just seems like an obvious and concerted effort to try and affect sales.
You people are so dumb. You're defending a multi billion dollar company that's getting away with doing anti-consumer practices.
The more they get away with it the more they'll do it in the future, it only gets worse. Take a little look into the history of what happens when companies find they can get away with doing things like this.
>You people
it's just valve shills from the steam community forums. They've been here for months, selling the deck.
What exactly does the steam deck "get away with" that we should be boycotting it for?
You're speaking in rather vague terms, it's almost like you don't have an actual argument and are just trying to instill fear, or uncertainty or doubt about steam as a company, weird, it's like I've heard that before as a term or something.
Watch there be no reply.
>boycotting
You really are a moron.
Read the article and you should hopefully be able to piece together why what they did by quietly tweaking the technical specifications is bad, might take you a few hours but stick with it.
If not boycotting, what would you suggest?
You clearly have a vested interest in people not buying them.
>You clearly have a vested interest in people not buying them
How about you stop trying to be Columbo because you suck.
Maybe holding Valve accountable for changing things quietly and not telling the people who were getting one that things had changed? I guess that's too much to ask for?
And how should that be done?
You still haven't suggested what you actually, concretely, want.
Is yapping at me like this effectively "holding valve accountable"?
>Is yapping at me
He doesn't realize how a board works.
There are 70 posters in this thread and the person replying to me very clearly has a certain degree of autism and a relatively unique posting style.
I'm still curious what he thinks should actually be done, but I doubt he'll actually reply about that in a concrete manner, I'd be really surprised at least.
You don't actually care. It's just more fuel for console war schizo breakdowns. Why pretend?
it's only bad if you paid when the 4 lane was the only SKU and you receive a 2 lane. they didn't take all of your cash up front and then snuck the change in after everyone paid. Just refund your reservation if you think 2 PCIe lanes aren't enough.
great bait niggemoron! i was there when they created ther original IPs, i and people like me helped MAKE them into a billion dollar company in a trillion dollar industry. this hardware shit is negligible and you know it. not saying its good but its not that bad. its simply fodder for console and other media autists to shit on the one modern private company who prioritizes end user comfort and freedom.
I'm sorry OP can you repeat that? I'm not sure i got it, what did valve do?
steamies r dum consoomers fr fr no cappers
And to the Black person using GPT-Ganker to shit up the thread, I hope your server provider experiences a power outage.
Wait til you see how they downgraded TF2.
Next time someone makes a Deck thread, please stealth it. For the love of fricking god.
I never bought a single NES cartridge in my live but I have the entire North America release on my NAS. Funny how that works.
Valvecuck are legitemately mentally ill sometimes I think they could be even worse than Nintodlers and Playstrannies
What even is going on in this thread at this point? It looks like two misconfigured GPT-3 bots are arguing with each other over banal shit.
Is it actual bots?
I thought it was paid third world people at least.
I don't even know at this point. But I look at the posts and it looks like both of these idiots have no contextual awareness and are just going back and forth in a really unnatural manner. Also, the posting rate is entirely too fast.
Part of the issue is a ESL chinese shill is failing at grammer and spelling and fricking up their output and it seems to be continually degrading.
>use correct gramma
Frick off, moron normie.
Using correct Grammar is normal to native speakers Chinku-chan
>make it easier for bots to read what you write
Only a glow Black person would ask for dis
Literally false advertisement on Valve's part.
Enjoy getting fricked by Australian Consumer Affairs, again.
eMMC isn't really an SSD anyway, it's basically just an SD card.
Any reason why they put an x4 in there in the first place?
availability most likely.
Not that my opinion matters to most of you but isn't the downclocking of the SSD in newer models a good thing if it favors battery life?
>370+ posts
>still nobody's posted a comparison of the x2 and x4 SSD models
I can't wait until we get cloud gaming for everything, that should hopefully stop the need for needing fast storage to run things locally. It'll also stop a lot of piracy too because people won't be able to mess with the game files locally and you'll just be streaming the games.
Are you actually insane?
I can't imagine why anyone would want cloud gaming to be a significant thing, just buy subscription to the computers which only we own to play your games, which only we own. Yeah, that sounds fricking swell anon.
>yes, I will not own anything at all anymore, and pretend to be happy
Cope
I will go back retro gaming my ass off. And I will own every single fricking game.
I got mine before the downgrade in May. Sucks to suck
How many modern games are so buggy that they barely work without a patch? I seriously can't think of that many.
>he doesn't insert disc without internet
>downloads day 1 patch
>pretends that it's all fine
There are even games nowadays released on physical media that do not contain the whole or even half the game.
But how do you know if the game is broken without the patch?
You insert disc and try to play it.
Of course I don't do that, because I don't own a PS4 or PS5 or anything like that.
PS3 was already horrible enough.
I own like 150 PS3 games. I can count the PS3 games without patch on one hand.
Ok but that's because it stops you from playing it before you patch it, not because the game is unplayable because it's too buggy.
also if it wasn't broken, there wouldn't be patches in the first place.
Look at for example the Super Mario 3D Collection on Switch. That's 3 games, that were released on their original systems without a patch.
And on Shitch they got 2 or 3 patches.
One even added Gamecube controller support.
Imagine creating this collection and no one thought of Gamecube controller support, despite Sunshine basically requiring that.
That's modern gaming for you.
And even Nintendo is doing it, because customers are moronic as this thread clearly shows.
Why bother?
Why test when the brain lacking consoomer will buy it anyway?
And they are right. Frick NPCs.
Why would they not make people download a patch? Even if it's just minor fixes and performance increases there's no reason to let people play a 1% worse version of the game.
>Why would they not make people download a patch?
I would properly test games, LIKE NINTENDO DID ON WII U, and not have to release patches in the first place.
Especially for fixing things like
- debug cubes that any playtester should have found
- gamecube controller support
on wii u there were massive RPGs like Xenoblade X, and yes, there was a patch. a patch, not patches, for one single issue. One single issue in a massive RPG.
>i would refuse to continue to fix minor issues after release
Why?
Are you moronic?
I wouldn't release it in such a state in the first place.
And I said Xenoblade X is fine. One issue in a massive RPG, I can accept that. And I'm not against patches, but games should be tested properly.
Nowadays nothing is tested. The customer does the testing.
Nintendo during Wii U days had games finished for months in advance and they were play tested like crazy, as it should be. Nowadays even Nintendo rushes games out of the door.
What state? You've mentioned 2 games that had major issues on release.
>Man would literally run in a circle catching bugs instead of releasing the game
>companies playtesting is no gud
>I prefer to test the games I pay for myself, without getting paid for that
My 512GB steam deck just arrived in the mail today. Double checked and it doesn't have the gimped SSD!
>gimped
there is literally no difference
What's the appeal of the cleveland steam deck anyway?
What's the qc like on the Loki/company that makes the Loki?
You should be more worried about customer support which is apparently extremely shit. There were people who has extremely simple issues with shipping or customs that normally get resolved in a day or two, but it took them weeks to resolve with these chinks, because they either don't respond to you or you get a literal bot preprogrammed response.
I bought a similar chink device 2 years ago (it wasn't a UMPC though), and it ended up being held at customs for 6 weeks because the customs demanded some simple form from the sellers to verify something, and they wouldn't send one for 6 whole weeks and just sending bot responses from the support mailbox, it was worse than dealing with pajeet support.
Valve trannies are mentally damaged
this
>no, don't buy a notebook
>give these fricks monies for their shitty propritary product
>it's Linux
>what's your pronoun?
>have you signed the code of conduct?
Steam should die.
Is this the "MTX is patched in after the reviews" tier scumbagery? Or the ""this electronics is great but only the north american models because every other market gets the watered down versions of them"?
valve are such soulless shits. No wonder the only place that champions them is this shithole
>trusting valve
who cares?