>They're shooting at 2k price point supposedly
lmao, it's fucking dead then. If Valve ate the cost like with Steam Deck and made it $900 max then they would've gotten a lot of sales. Fucking retards.
yeah i don't think it will really be able to compete with meta headsets with that price. will still be interesting to see what they come up with. wireless sounds nice
Imagine a world where Steam Machine come back and are actually relevant because VR headsets would be too bulky and power hungry putting everything inside the headset
Yeah they essentially were small form factor PCs with SteamOS on them, but they never took off at all (especially since Proton wasn't really a thing and Linux-supported games were few and far in-between). Unlike the Deck which has the advantage of being a portable device, Steam Machines were just crappy PCs that couldn't play many games out of the box. At least if this is purely a box for running VR wirelessly, it has an actual benefit (and Proton is a lot farther along now)
It doesn't even matter if it hasn't sold well, it's still a success, valve has never liked windows being the only good main os, the steam deck helped build momentum for linux development and adoption.
If I install steam OS on my PC right now, how shit is it?
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it's Linux that is operated with the GUI
if you're familiar with Linux then you'll have no problems at all
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You can't. Valve didn't release steam os 3.0 to the public properly.
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When are they going to try to kill windows
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They're not. You vill update to 11 and enjoy ze games.
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I'm staying on 7.
Gabe can suck dick. >it will stop at 11
no, it will never stop and you will follow whatever your grand master Valve tells you to do. >no support for Steam Dreck 1 >but buy a Steam Dreck 2 to continue using Steam
(you) >thanks Valve, you are so great
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>thanks Valve, you are so great >Waiting 20 years for a steam deck 3 before giving up hope finally
(me)
Yes, that's pretty much it. Their aim was to make getting in to PC gaming easier. Steam Machines would be rated as Steam Machine Level 1, Level 2, Level 3, and so on. As years went on, system sold with newer hardware would be grouped together by similar performance and assigned even higher levels. Then, on a game's system requirements page, it would say "Needs Steam Machine Level 2 or higher," and that's all the user would need to worry about.
It's on the steam deck, and oddly they are talking about a steam controller 2 which I found hard to believe, but if they want you to play flat games in VR it suddenly makes sense.
vr is gay as fuck but steammachines could come back now that steamos is actually good
it would be like having a deck without the handheld gimmick and have better hardware
I'm gonna be honest... As much as I love Valve and hate exclusivity, buying any headset besides a Meta headset is a waste if you want to play games. Meta is the only company actively funding VR games, and it seems like Valve has completely abandoned VR game development. Even if they make another one you can play it with Quest Link anyway.
>Meta is the only company actively funding VR games
Nevermind the fact that Meta is a privacy nightmare, they're also the ones that ruined it by making most VR games they bought and dev'd exclusive to their shitty store.
Yes, it sucks, but unfortunately they've won, especially with Asgard's Wrath 2 coming out with Quest 2/3 exclusivity. At least you save money on the headset since they make money from the games. Also, it's probably the most organized piracy scene I've ever seen, they just made a program that just downloads any game you want straight from some server they pay for themselves. It's quite impressive. I have no idea how it hasn't been shut down.
You can still download vita/ps3/psp games from sony, but keeping a server updated yourself is a lot more work than that especially for Niche VR shit. The switch shops go down all the time unless you pay
I've heard PCVR has a hard time getting developer attention because they have to support so many devices, whereas if you develop for the quest 2 or whatever the target hardware is known.
A valve VR steam machine makes a standardized piece of hardware like the steam deck. It's also accessible to normies. PCVR needs to just werk for morons.
Deckard would be able to play the huge library of flat games, and flat games getting VR mods are slowly growing. Also it will be much better for desktop use.
The only thing that makes me question the survival is the price. To really make sense it has to have a bad bitch display. It won't be cheap.
>The only thing that makes me question the survival is the price. To really make sense it has to have a bad bitch display. It won't be cheap.
the displays are coming. slowly, but surely. just look at phones now, every single discount phone has a great display now.
Yeah but what I mean is they need state of the art to make the deckard high enough resolution to compete with just playing on a tv or monitor. Virtual monitors floating in your room are cool but they can't be blurry. You probably need something like apple's headset with over 3000px microled/micro-oled for good contrast, which is not what phones use. Phone displays are where cheap vr headsets use now.
this is the most gayest retard post on Ganker right now
if you EVER want to actually support the vr games industry, you never ever fucking touch anything zucc taints because oculus showed he is obsessed with creating a walled-off ecosystem with exclusives to a) strangle out competition b) have as much control as possible over vr
deckard and other non-facebook competitors are the only way to actual vr growth
I hope this is true. I was just thinking today it would be dope to have a steamdeck in a xbox form factor with the same power. PS5 and Series X would get BTFO because of Steams BC library. DGAF about VR.
Fine by me. They obviously are waiting to release half life 3 as some sort of way to show off vr. Yes I know alyx came out but they'd likely save the real part 3 once more people have vr headsets. Maybe they'll finally make it when this comes out.
Reminder that when zuckerberg was looking to buy oculus, it was rumored that he would only purchase the company if oculus could poach key valve employees before the deal. Around the same time, some valve VR employees suggested valve should share their VR R&D with oculus with no contracts or strings attached. Those same employees later left valve and traded coats for oculus and zuck bought it.
That's why valve hates zuck. They announced the index during facebook's F8 conference. And it may remain a tradition to announce VR products during meta's presentations. The next one is September 27th
I think it was Michael Abrash who did it, the other Quake guy. I also recall John Carmack talked about how he and Gabe aren't in speaking terms anymore due to some things about VR tech so maybe he had hands in Oculus-Valve conflict as well.
I also don't blame them. Those guys need to get paid what they are worth. They probably didn't want to work in R&D forever with no products in sight. I feel like the valve index only exists at all because the betrayal happened.
Lot of bad blood came off of that debacle too I reckon. At that point in time Valve fired a lot of people and dissolved its Augmented Reality division as well. Their flat management model is both a blessing and a curse for them imo. All that freedom of creativity, but at the same time the lack of accountability leads to an opening for its ruthless competitors who is not for all that flower and sunshine to exploit them and fuck them up.
Valve needs to realize their flat management is a false paradise supported by middlemanning PC sales and bleeding gambling addicts for virtual items. If they want to change anything they have to tell their employees what to do.
CS is the top played game on a steam. I don't know why they don't make CS VR. It's not a fast movement speed game, and VR needs a AAA simple multiplayer game that people play regularly. No single player experience you're done with in a few hours is going to replace that.
I understand valve wants everyone to adopt VR because then they're the only pc people in the market with infrastructure to use the vr ecosystem properly but until they start commissioning dev studious to make games that are better than tech demos then splash out 1k+ just to be able to watch vr porn after the tech demo excitement wears off
I still cringe at, I think it might have been gabe, that said valve wanted to be like nintendo. They make one game every few years when their volunteers feel like it. I like valve but that's just delusional.
I used my CV1 exclusively for porn for like 5 years and it finally died somehow. Probably gonna get a Quest 3 to replace it... and maybe the resolution is finally good enough to watch movies on a theater screen. I watched a few movies on CV1, but the resolution was very bad and the god rays were terrible and ruined the picture to the point where I'm not sure how the fuck they got away selling it with that flaw. Hopefully the pancake lens remove them entirely, gonna have to wait for reviews. The games are just a bonus honestly.
VR was a niche in 1988, 1998, 2008 and 2018.
VR will continue to be a niche in 2028.
Have you seen the FPS of these new games?
A very high fidelity game using UE5 hasn't even released yet.
Bethesda can still cripple top end hardware that ran last year's games at 90fps 4k.
Two 4kx4k 90fps screens? VR? Lmao get the fuck out never gonna happen.
This shit will always be one of two things; >a niche device for niche simulator applications with reduced settings/older games with easier graphics/more simple rendering >a fucking pipedream 12 year olds think will be magic portals
Fuck outta here.
Even when VR makes it it's going to be a hard story to tell. VR was conceptually proven around 2013, with good hardware emerging around 2019. It will finally fulfill the fantasy in the 2030s. Fucking embarrassing. I hope nintendo is working on something so we can get off the donkey sooner.
These guys that don't claim to be trannies but clearly want to be an anime girl need a fucking intervention. Which would normally come from their friends, but they end up hanging out with other men that also want to be anime girls. If you know someone IRL like this, you slap their shit back to reality
Is it just me or has the number of VR games dropped off a cliff since covid? The last one I remember coming out was HL Alyx
Has the fas actually passed already?
VRfags are still holding on to hope for their gimmick huh?
I have to respect the persistence at least.
You didn't know? pc gamings is now valid because of the steam deck.
Valve popularized handheld PCs
They can do the same for VR headsets though I doubt that since they're probably going for high-end like Apple
They're shooting at 2k price point supposedly
>They're shooting at 2k price point supposedly
lmao, it's fucking dead then. If Valve ate the cost like with Steam Deck and made it $900 max then they would've gotten a lot of sales. Fucking retards.
Even that is high. It was a huge gutpunch to pay $1000 for the index then the next year the quest 2 launches and it's better for $300.
I'd only pay $1000 headset if it was basically top of the line and I knew it would be years and years before zuck could compete with it.
yeah i don't think it will really be able to compete with meta headsets with that price. will still be interesting to see what they come up with. wireless sounds nice
Isn't basically every modern headset wireless? You just need a good router
Yeah that is a bad idea. The market got more price sensitive since the $1000 index
VR is the best way to play FPSes and any argument otherwise is a useless cope.
The mogging is even more extreme for vehicle sims and immersive sims, the later category is about to explode because of AI
>Steam memechines
clown world is unstoppable
Imagine a world where Steam Machine come back and are actually relevant because VR headsets would be too bulky and power hungry putting everything inside the headset
what even were steam machines? As I understand it, they were just literally any premade but with steam os instead of windows.
Yeah they essentially were small form factor PCs with SteamOS on them, but they never took off at all (especially since Proton wasn't really a thing and Linux-supported games were few and far in-between). Unlike the Deck which has the advantage of being a portable device, Steam Machines were just crappy PCs that couldn't play many games out of the box. At least if this is purely a box for running VR wirelessly, it has an actual benefit (and Proton is a lot farther along now)
The deck barely sold. Now make the chud excuse that they can't keep up with le demand.
It doesn't even matter if it hasn't sold well, it's still a success, valve has never liked windows being the only good main os, the steam deck helped build momentum for linux development and adoption.
If I install steam OS on my PC right now, how shit is it?
it's Linux that is operated with the GUI
if you're familiar with Linux then you'll have no problems at all
You can't. Valve didn't release steam os 3.0 to the public properly.
When are they going to try to kill windows
They're not. You vill update to 11 and enjoy ze games.
I'm staying on 7.
Gabe can suck dick.
>it will stop at 11
no, it will never stop and you will follow whatever your grand master Valve tells you to do.
>no support for Steam Dreck 1
>but buy a Steam Dreck 2 to continue using Steam
(you)
>thanks Valve, you are so great
>thanks Valve, you are so great
>Waiting 20 years for a steam deck 3 before giving up hope finally
(me)
Yes, that's pretty much it. Their aim was to make getting in to PC gaming easier. Steam Machines would be rated as Steam Machine Level 1, Level 2, Level 3, and so on. As years went on, system sold with newer hardware would be grouped together by similar performance and assigned even higher levels. Then, on a game's system requirements page, it would say "Needs Steam Machine Level 2 or higher," and that's all the user would need to worry about.
>what even were steam machines?
Overpriced prebuilt PCs
This time it's done by Valve, so not overpriced anymore
I completely forgot about those the same way I forgot about the controller they made & abandoned.
It didn't sell
It's on the steam deck, and oddly they are talking about a steam controller 2 which I found hard to believe, but if they want you to play flat games in VR it suddenly makes sense.
>literally who
>Pretends to hate Twitter
>Willingly calls it X
Actually, it's Nitter
I thought the rate limiting killed it? For a while I could never find an instance that worked
tried a few instances and they're working just fine even has the r18 stuff.
that is a very fluffy dog. is it yours?
No funny image i just had
Haven't used the fediverse in a while, but that's obviously a nitter instance so I figure they went around the rate limiting somehow
I already know that nitter=/=fediverse
>X
Yikes!
Are you saying valve is making a going into games machine?
Here's the souped up APU
like xbox sex or ps5
>install proton on your shitty pc
>take screenshot
>wowwww new steam machine leak
One of the more well-known publicly-facing data miners for VR stuff isn't exactly just some dude making shit up
Honestly I'd buy it if it was around 500 bux
vr is gay as fuck but steammachines could come back now that steamos is actually good
it would be like having a deck without the handheld gimmick and have better hardware
>Valve tapes a steamdeck and lenses to your face
>Allows VR hentai in the store
>Rakes in millions
Zuck is too weak to do it but Gabe isn't
>Allows VR hentai in the store
they already do, baka
I'm gonna be honest... As much as I love Valve and hate exclusivity, buying any headset besides a Meta headset is a waste if you want to play games. Meta is the only company actively funding VR games, and it seems like Valve has completely abandoned VR game development. Even if they make another one you can play it with Quest Link anyway.
>Meta is the only company actively funding VR games
Nevermind the fact that Meta is a privacy nightmare, they're also the ones that ruined it by making most VR games they bought and dev'd exclusive to their shitty store.
Yes, it sucks, but unfortunately they've won, especially with Asgard's Wrath 2 coming out with Quest 2/3 exclusivity. At least you save money on the headset since they make money from the games. Also, it's probably the most organized piracy scene I've ever seen, they just made a program that just downloads any game you want straight from some server they pay for themselves. It's quite impressive. I have no idea how it hasn't been shut down.
We used to download straight from the PS Store and Ninty eShop back in the day
You can still download vita/ps3/psp games from sony, but keeping a server updated yourself is a lot more work than that especially for Niche VR shit. The switch shops go down all the time unless you pay
>just buy into the ecosystem that encourages exclusivity and is linked with a social media giant
>nothing can go wrong
vr is better off dead than kept captive by a company that is actively malicious and exploitative
This is why I'm waiting to see how the Deckard will turn out.
I've heard PCVR has a hard time getting developer attention because they have to support so many devices, whereas if you develop for the quest 2 or whatever the target hardware is known.
A valve VR steam machine makes a standardized piece of hardware like the steam deck. It's also accessible to normies. PCVR needs to just werk for morons.
Deckard would be able to play the huge library of flat games, and flat games getting VR mods are slowly growing. Also it will be much better for desktop use.
The only thing that makes me question the survival is the price. To really make sense it has to have a bad bitch display. It won't be cheap.
Valve will probably be willing to sell it at a loss like PS and Xbox considering they mark everything up 30% on their store (like PS and Xbox).
>The only thing that makes me question the survival is the price. To really make sense it has to have a bad bitch display. It won't be cheap.
the displays are coming. slowly, but surely. just look at phones now, every single discount phone has a great display now.
Yeah but what I mean is they need state of the art to make the deckard high enough resolution to compete with just playing on a tv or monitor. Virtual monitors floating in your room are cool but they can't be blurry. You probably need something like apple's headset with over 3000px microled/micro-oled for good contrast, which is not what phones use. Phone displays are where cheap vr headsets use now.
yeah, let's be real, proper vr gaming is still a couple of generations away. it's almost here, but still not quite.
this is the most gayest retard post on Ganker right now
if you EVER want to actually support the vr games industry, you never ever fucking touch anything zucc taints because oculus showed he is obsessed with creating a walled-off ecosystem with exclusives to a) strangle out competition b) have as much control as possible over vr
deckard and other non-facebook competitors are the only way to actual vr growth
you need to change your opinion or kys
No one cares about VR, make another proper Half-Life game so we can switch over to Source 2 already
I hope this is true. I was just thinking today it would be dope to have a steamdeck in a xbox form factor with the same power. PS5 and Series X would get BTFO because of Steams BC library. DGAF about VR.
Nobody cares about VR
We need to make VR go away, how many hours a week can you work?
Fine by me. They obviously are waiting to release half life 3 as some sort of way to show off vr. Yes I know alyx came out but they'd likely save the real part 3 once more people have vr headsets. Maybe they'll finally make it when this comes out.
Reminder that when zuckerberg was looking to buy oculus, it was rumored that he would only purchase the company if oculus could poach key valve employees before the deal. Around the same time, some valve VR employees suggested valve should share their VR R&D with oculus with no contracts or strings attached. Those same employees later left valve and traded coats for oculus and zuck bought it.
That's why valve hates zuck. They announced the index during facebook's F8 conference. And it may remain a tradition to announce VR products during meta's presentations. The next one is September 27th
I think it was Michael Abrash who did it, the other Quake guy. I also recall John Carmack talked about how he and Gabe aren't in speaking terms anymore due to some things about VR tech so maybe he had hands in Oculus-Valve conflict as well.
I also don't blame them. Those guys need to get paid what they are worth. They probably didn't want to work in R&D forever with no products in sight. I feel like the valve index only exists at all because the betrayal happened.
Lot of bad blood came off of that debacle too I reckon. At that point in time Valve fired a lot of people and dissolved its Augmented Reality division as well. Their flat management model is both a blessing and a curse for them imo. All that freedom of creativity, but at the same time the lack of accountability leads to an opening for its ruthless competitors who is not for all that flower and sunshine to exploit them and fuck them up.
Valve needs to realize their flat management is a false paradise supported by middlemanning PC sales and bleeding gambling addicts for virtual items. If they want to change anything they have to tell their employees what to do.
>interpolated future-guessed player movement detection
BAHAHAHAHAHA
you can't stop suddenly when performing motions, so.
They better be working on a game for this shit
CS is the top played game on a steam. I don't know why they don't make CS VR. It's not a fast movement speed game, and VR needs a AAA simple multiplayer game that people play regularly. No single player experience you're done with in a few hours is going to replace that.
I understand valve wants everyone to adopt VR because then they're the only pc people in the market with infrastructure to use the vr ecosystem properly but until they start commissioning dev studious to make games that are better than tech demos then splash out 1k+ just to be able to watch vr porn after the tech demo excitement wears off
I still cringe at, I think it might have been gabe, that said valve wanted to be like nintendo. They make one game every few years when their volunteers feel like it. I like valve but that's just delusional.
I used my CV1 exclusively for porn for like 5 years and it finally died somehow. Probably gonna get a Quest 3 to replace it... and maybe the resolution is finally good enough to watch movies on a theater screen. I watched a few movies on CV1, but the resolution was very bad and the god rays were terrible and ruined the picture to the point where I'm not sure how the fuck they got away selling it with that flaw. Hopefully the pancake lens remove them entirely, gonna have to wait for reviews. The games are just a bonus honestly.
VR was a niche in 1988, 1998, 2008 and 2018.
VR will continue to be a niche in 2028.
Have you seen the FPS of these new games?
A very high fidelity game using UE5 hasn't even released yet.
Bethesda can still cripple top end hardware that ran last year's games at 90fps 4k.
Two 4kx4k 90fps screens? VR? Lmao get the fuck out never gonna happen.
This shit will always be one of two things;
>a niche device for niche simulator applications with reduced settings/older games with easier graphics/more simple rendering
>a fucking pipedream 12 year olds think will be magic portals
Fuck outta here.
>a niche device for niche simulator applications with reduced settings/older games with easier graphics/more simple rendering
And?
hardcore talk. i think we'll finally get there in a couple of years. it might take another ten years, but i'm sure we'll get there, eventually.
Even when VR makes it it's going to be a hard story to tell. VR was conceptually proven around 2013, with good hardware emerging around 2019. It will finally fulfill the fantasy in the 2030s. Fucking embarrassing. I hope nintendo is working on something so we can get off the donkey sooner.
VR is as niche as using a controller.
It's a device used to play games, sometimes exclusive to it.
Those games depend on if they suck shit or not.
>chud
don't care
These guys that don't claim to be trannies but clearly want to be an anime girl need a fucking intervention. Which would normally come from their friends, but they end up hanging out with other men that also want to be anime girls. If you know someone IRL like this, you slap their shit back to reality
Is it just me or has the number of VR games dropped off a cliff since covid? The last one I remember coming out was HL Alyx
Has the fas actually passed already?
This shit won't happen because we'd see a patent already, but here's the question anyway:
Say the deckard is a looneytunes price like $1000-$2000
BUT
It has a BCI that mitigates motion sickness and provides motion effects. What would you sell to buy it?
>Recently start playing VR again
>VR posts
AHHHHHHH GET OUT OF MY FUCKING WALLS
you have my permission to save this picture
I'm too retarded to understand this correctly: is Valve working on a beefed up Steam Deck that is not portable or this a wireless VR device?
beefed up steam deck that transmits to a wireless VR device.
>yes, we are winning reddit