I am a longtine console chad and was thinkinh about getting the rog ally or a gaming desktop. I already got a xsx and ps5 and hacked switch but I also want to play pc games and read hentai VNs. The ally seems a bit to expensive for that so I'm thinking about buy a decent budget pre-built with some upgradiblity for down the line. Any suggestions?
If you just want to do VNs mostly get a cheap one. You can probably get some cheapo for 500 or so and it will do most of what you want.
Why would you buy prebuilt
I built my first gaming pc myself. Last one I bought 5 years ago was prebuilt because it was on a stupid sale on Amazon and the parts solo would have cost $100 more.
My current PC is a pre-built because 4-5 years ago when I got it the GPU would have cost as much as the pre-built.
Why not? What exactly is the point to le build it yourself?
the conventional wisdom for the past decade+ has been "never buy prebuilt", because it's basically just a markup for a worse product. They charge you for the labor of assembling it, then tack on more to make their profit. But prebuilts have gotten better quality and the part prices so incredibly semitic that prebuilts can actually compete for value now. And during the era where there were shortages, prebuilts were pretty much superior to DIY since you'd have to wait in a line to pay double the regular price - if you could get a GPU at MSRP, otherwise you'd pay triple or quadruple to a scalper. (source: me, bought a 3080 for like 1000 bucks)
costs half as much and only takes an hour
at the moment prices for individual components are so retarded you can often get a better deal buying pre-built.
Wildly false, the only components that are fucked are gpus, every other component is still priced roughly the same as they have always been and you will get a component 2x as good or more if you buy it individually compared to what dogshit they throw in prebuilts.
Wound up being a bit cheaper than building myself, and it saves the hassle of actually building it and having a single point of contact if anything goes wrong.
TL;DR Money>Kudos
Lack of intelligence.
I thought that was a rainbow colored horse dildo from the thumbnail
Dude, my friend bought a prebuild from walmart for $999
Ryzen 7 5800
16gb of ddr4
Rtx 3060
You gettin ripped off.
Your friend got ripped off.
Bruh I bought a pre built
With a
5800x
Rx 6800 xt
32 gigs 3600hz
1tb Samsung ssd
And an aio cooler
online for 1200 burgers
But to be fair Walmart can have some good deals
Got an rtx 2060 laptop with an i5 9300h for 589 bucks
4 years ago from them
Get it so you can feel the same regret most of us feel
ahahahahahaahahaha
Just build your own, it's practically retard proof at this point. Prebuilts cheap out on parts as much as humanly possible and charge you more for it. 9 times out of 10 the cases are designed like shit specifically to discourage or flat out stop you from upgrading. Or you could just disregard all that and have fun replacing the thing in a few years when the power supply they salvaged from some Eskimo's snowmobile shorts out and fries your shit.
Whats a cheap build reccomendation with a 1660 suoer in mind
Literally anything on sale on Newegg with good ratings. I don't know what your budget is but you can go as cheap as possible and get stuff from a generation or two ago. You can use PCpartpicker.com to make sure everything is compatible & will fit.
$400-$500
There are online stores where you can pick any parts you want and pay an extra $5 fee to have some monkey put it all together for you. They send you all the packaging and receipts so you know they didn't fuck you in the ass. I haven't a built a PC since 2011.
Where the fuck are people putting your shit together for you for $5 and not completely fucking it up
>DUDE IT'S EASY
Why do you people never understand some people just don't want to be assed putting shit together? I don't feel like taking hours out of my day to perfectly wire shit and all that. Same way I'd prefer my furniture be put together instead of requiring me to do it. And I have no issue paying extra for that. I think my prebuilt was all of 100 more than if I bought the parts myself and I'll gladly pay 100 to not have to fuck around with that shit.
Building a car is also just legos. I doubt you could do it, though.
I miss when internet/computer access was gatekept by IQ.
>1,500$$$$
Has:
Intel i5 of unknown generation 100$?
GTX 1660 100$
32gb RAM of unknown DDR 100$?
256gb SSD 40$
3tb HDD? 60$
mouse and keyboard 80$
dvd player 10$
unknown motherboard 50$
unknown power supply 70$
Shitty ugly case FREE
They are charging you like 1,000 dollaridoos for assembly for that one in the OP!
And refurbished.
Hi. As a PcPlayer how good is your handling with the controller and can you tell my why are the cod pros so extremely good and precise with a controller?
Yeah no, that shit will Blue screen itself by next year and become basically useless in three years. Pre-Builts are for scamming retards, families, and poorfags who think the rig will be state of the art cutting edge gaming shit
>I am a longtine console chad and was thinkinh
stick to consoles
the people who say prebuilts are bad are tech illiterate retards who once read someone saying prebuilts are bad because the average person buys the shittiest prebuilts without looking at specs or gets them from walmart or something
that or autists who feel like they're geniuses because they wasted an hour of their life putting together hardware and want to feel superior
i bought a prebuilt in 2016 from a shop that doesn't exist anymore, shit works great and i upgraded to a 2070 last year. just be smart
It's understandable why people would be wary of prebuilts. I've bought a few in my life, if only to let me practice and learn how to assemble a PC myself. Sometimes you get a decent quality one, othertimes you get a piece of crap. It's a gamble you take when someone else builds it. Last year I lost a PC because the power went out, and since I was taxing the system with an update, the damn thing bricked on me. So you need to always be wary. having a UPS is good too, for emergencies.
which company was it from. there's like a few good prebuilt companies and plenty of ones i don't
What are the good ones?
>shit works great
>no mention of hardware
>no mention of price
only retard here is you anon. people willing to overpay for mid or poor parts just because "it works and i can't tell the difference anyway" are clowns. 10 years ago or a little more, prebuilts were viably priced for their parts. or picking components and them building it for you was still reasonably priced. neither is the case today
whats a good site for prebuilts? im way too lazy and retarded to build my own pc plus i have no idea what parts are actually good or not so i cant be bothered to pick them out individually and then pay some pajeet to build it for me
Oh god, why did I go and look at pre-built PC's again. The curiosity is painful. Why do these companies pair 5600G with 32 gigs of ram? Why would you put a AIO water cooler on a 5600X? Why would you ever give a liquid cooler of any kind to someone who wants the low hands-on convenience of a pre-built? How can you sell a gaming PC with a GTX 1050 Ti for over $2000?
One of the best PC cases of all time is a prebuilt by HP (unironically)
there's literally nothing wrong with a prebuilt and sometimes they can have cool unique designs such as the omen x as mentioned above or some of those alienware ones.
prebuilts get a bad wrap because companies like HP used to bolt down the harddrive bays on cheap prebuilts
i for one like the dell alienware design where the PSU can swing out on a hinge.
i brought my own fractal case and built my own and it's "ALRIGHT" but i prefer to seemless designs of some of the more expensive cases. Ganker wouldnt know about this because they are poor.
This is a troll post. Do not listen to this anon. Aurora cases are the worst garbage to have ever existed. Dell makes 100% proprietary parts.
there's nothing wrong with proprietary if you dont mind overpaying
Yeah. No.
why? why are they bad? because they cost maybe 20$ more?
Prebuilds are "fine".
Yes, they pinch and gimp on SOME part or another, but they work.
During the Corona's GPU scalping days, they even momentarily became cheaper than building your own.
Don't neglect the 2nd hand market either.
I just bought myself a neat Ryzen 7 3700X + 16GB DDR4 + RTX 3060ti + 1GB SSD tower for 600 bucks, sharp.
Some local zoom zoom wanted to switch to Piss5 gayman' and thus gave away his brand new PC practically for a price of the video card alone.
>Ryzen 7 3700X + 16GB DDR4 + RTX 3060ti + 1GB SSD tower for 600 bucks,
damn that kid scammed himself so fucking hard lmao
What can I say? Consolikids are retards, but rest of us benefit of it greatly.
I snatched a similar deal way back in 2011, when a wannabe Mac-fag put his Intel i7-2600 + 12GB DDR3 + GTX 550ti 1GB up for 500 bux. It ran The Witcher 2 great at 1080p, which happened to be one of the first games I got to play in widescreen.
the best part?
>the delusional applefag thought he scammed you
I bet.
Jokes on him, I used the PC up until February 2023, when I got the R7+3060ti set I mentioned earlier. I only upgraded the old warhorse's GPU around 2017 with a 2nd hand 1050ti 4gb, and it was still quite a beast.
>Consolikids are retards
Fuck you PCfag, enjoy your busted ports you gay
Thanks! We will! 🙂
What are your specs?
i5 12500f + rtx3060 12gb
psa if your a fucking idiot just buy something like this
its 400 bucks off on ebay right now
i think this is a really good deal for what you pay for
Consider, it's probably been sitting at that previous price for at least 3 years. Then they dropped it because 40xx series exists.
i got a prebuilt during COVID. it's been good to me so far. I'm going to upgrade the CPu soon.
You should check if that case is even possible to upgrade parts on. Some of the big companies (lenovo, dell, HP and others) often use backwards ass cases that don't let you upgrade, sometimes even the motherboard and PSU are proprietary which will force you to start from scratch if you want to upgrade
And I wouldn't pay a dime over $500 for those specs
Would be cheaper to build one.
I built an apu rig a year ago for under $400.
Can run most games low settings 60fps.
Eventually got a gpu a few months ago (3070ti) and now it can run most games high settings well over 60fps.
If you just want to game for cheap than an apu build works...but also gives you a path to upgrade with simply dropping a good gpu in it down the line.
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Video to help you out if you want a cheap gpu build or an apu build.
I have a 1660Ti.
It's pretty good.
I'm literally retarded and have used a laptop my entire adult life
is it plausible that I could finagle building my own PC without completely destroying it or should I just get a prebuilt slop like a normie
Just buy from those companies that assemble for you. You get all the customization ability with no stress of breaking a pin or having a cat brush your leg and static discharging all over or w.e dorks worry about these days.
Then again, if Joe Rogan can build pcs and only fudged it once and needed help, back in like 2001, I'm sure you can.
i just brought all my parts to a local shop and they set it up for 20 bucks
imagine letting someone else get that click when you pop in a gpu
yeah i just married my wife and they took her virginity for 20 bucks!
my pc is male like me though
how can you tell the gender of a pc
is it under the bios settings?
That's an option potentially but assembling a computer is really not that hard. I just did it for the first time a few months ago and got it to post first attempt. Only tricky thing was connecting all the pins to the case because it was all broken English in the manual
Ask your mom she's going to be paying for it.
>$1600
>1660
>256g ssd
>i5
>+ 3TB
Learn to read gay
prove it not HDD
>refurbished
>32 GB ram with a quad core CPU
>1660S
>small ass sata ssd in the year of our lord 2023
>that abhorrent front IO
>dvd drive in the year of our lord 2023
>$1545.29
I know you weren't specifically asking about that computer OP, but good lord is that one of the worst prebuilts I've ever seen. That wouldn't have even been a good deal during the chip shortage nonsense
If you can find a prebuilt with the parts you want and it's not much more expensive than buying the components separately, why not? I built my two PCs before this one, but I've got a well paying job now and still don't spend much money, so I didn't mind spending 2500 on this prebuilt.
whatever you do, avoid ibuypower.
Why do you say this? I bought my first prebuilt from there it’s still going strong 7 years later 1060ti
Horrible fucking experience with them.
>buy PC
>Breaks in literally 5 days. GPU fried
>have to RMA
>Takes two weeks. They also never update the RMA process so I end up thinking they aren't doing it for weeks, and have to repeatedly call them
>online chat bot does not function.
>after I get my part back, the PC dies AGAIN in 2 days this time with the PSU frying the entire PC
>PC operated for a week and broke twice
>they again want me to RMA for two weeks and I say fuck you, send me the part
>end up initiating full refund because they're so fucking stupid.
Generally you're supposed to go the extra mile for customers that get fucked over, instead of shrugging and going "lol deal wit it nerd"
Also they are overpriced. The PC I got from them was 2100 and had a 3070, terrible value and I regretted that. When I refunded I found an MSI PC with basically the same stats except a 4070 instead of a 3070. It was 100 dollars less.
and you bought it new not used?
I don’t think you’re being honest but I guess small chance it can happen
Never happened to me
i remember switching to cyberpower because the ibuypower rig i got had its fans constantly screech and it reaches bsod thrice. I fried one hard drive and they never helped fixing it so i ended up going with cyberpower and this PC hasn't shat itself yet
Prebuilts can be worth it when they are deeply discounted. Overall I'd much rather look at the used market or paying someone to assemble a PC from parts of your choosing over a prebuilt. The only real benefit of a prebuilt is feeling pretty safe with the warranty.
> paying someone to assemble a PC from parts of your choosing over a prebuilt.
That’s what a prebuilt is dumbass
Anything supporting the ~~*climate agenda*~~ is going to be working against your best interests anyhow.
Don't support your own enslavement.
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Also, buy individual parts , and assemble your own PC. It's easy, and costs less.
>climate pledge friendly
>quad core CPU in 2023, dvd drive, and a mechanical hard drive which is basically the only kind that uses power
okay
Just my two cents but I would never buy anything from Amazon Renewed. I've been burned twice by them so be warned
I bought a prebuilt because I figured I couldn't be assed to build a new one in 2018. Came dead on arrival. Returned for full refund and just built my own. If it wasn't for a power surge frying the mobo last year I would still have it. I built again since I did need a new GPU and bought a surge protector for it.
It's not like a PC you build yourself can't be DOA or die suddenly. Parts die. What's the rate of gigabyte GPU failures, like 40%?
Caused by the grid or a shitty PSU? I had a shit PSU fry my shit once and never bought a cheap one after that.
>$1600
>Gtx1660
>2023
Anon...
It's actually $350. The $1600 was for a laptop ad.
>$350 for that spec
I have to say it is semi-decent. Ideal for a poorfags, who love to play DOTA, CSGO, and so. Not for the incoming graphically demanding AAA games.
Thinkcentre M90 and M80 desktops are sold for $20-40, they come with 1st gen to 4th gen Intel CPUs.
3TB HDDs are $10-15 used because the insane failure rates.
And 240GB SSDs start at $14-15.
The only good thing about it is the GPU which is bottlenecked but its cheap, im worried about the PSU though, even the OEM PSU made by Acbel and FSP were anemic as fuck and at that price they are probably using chinkshit.
And it uses those $80 Foxconn OEM GPUs... no wonder its so cheap.
>4th gen Intel
I've certainly never seen a 5th Gen Intel or higher in most prebuilts.
5th gen was HEDT only, after 6th gen lenovo moved to M700 and M900 series in an attempt to make cheaper cases.
You are right, but those poorfags, which are not smart enough to build a pc, want to play the game now. That cheap prebuilt pc is good enough for them.
You can, but I think lenovo uses the proprietary hardwares - semi-upgradeablity. I suggest you to research first before buy. I'd avoid buying from the big PC manufacturers (Dell, Lenovo, Acer, etc) as they tend to use a lot of their own proprietary parts.
Some lenovo gaming desktops are upgradeablity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ySKpQh9yeM
>Lenovo Legion Tower 5
>$629.99 at microcenter
I bought it for my son. Happy family cuz I need my pc back! lol.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/664711/lenovo-legion-tower-5-gaming-pc
>Over 50% "discount"
?
I was thinking the same thing. Plus ut already has a 1660 in it. My question though is the upgradeablity? Could I get a better gpu and cpu later on.
>disc reader
already ordered, coming to my house soon
>m90 series thinkcentre
Should be good enough for $100-150 if it comes with a modern GPU.
Otherwise they are worth $20-40.
Considering prices pre-built is honestly not a terrible idea, but make sure you look into the individual companies.
A lot of the big ones have special contracts with motherboard, PSU, storage, etc companies and install the absolute bottom of the barrel, not even available to regular consumers components. I know Dell/Alienware used to do this with shit tier otherwise unsellable GPUs.
All my clients with prebuilts always came with with problems in his Pc. Motherboards are generic green and legacy BIOS (Why does it seem like nowadays every prebuilt reject UEFI?)
>GTX 1660
400-watt, no-name power supply
>DVD
Jesucrist
Most generic windows crackers do not support UEFI, funny enough the good and FOSS ones do.
I bought a prebuilt with a 3050 for 800 bucks
slapped some more ram in and put in an ssd for an 150 and it seems like it was an okay buy? but beats teh fuck out of buying all the parts myself only to fuck them up
In 25+ years of building PC's with no precautions what so ever (i.e anti-static wristband shit), I've yet to wreck a single component.
Also looking at this.
Anon just build your own already.
Definitely not. any XX50 card is going to be subpar, and an i3 is ancient. Current gen is i9, so they are going back three generations just to sell you shiny lights (i7, i5, i3)
Prebuilt is cheaper so that they can install Windows Spyware before you even get your hands on it
It isn't that hard to format the drive & install your own custom, clean version of windows...
paid 800 bucks for this, did I fuck up?
>W11
Already fucked up
>@1330MHZ
Holy fuck...anon, I...
this is why I got a fuckin prebuilt
I have no idea what that means and bought that ram to upgrade from the 16 gb it had
Fuck pre-built and their propriety psus... especially lenovo.
prebuilts scam the shit out of you. literally like minimum 33-50% markup, if not more. these people are trying to sell you a 1660 super, a card which is 4 years old, for the price of a 3080 essentially if not a 40xx
32gb at what speed? what ddr is it even? likelihood is its the cheapest possible, which means you could buy 32gb for like 100 bucks. etc
the era of prebuilts being viable choices is over, they're all huge scams now
>the era of prebuilts being viable choices is over,
yeah, but it would be over when 4070 costs $399.
the weak link is usually by far the power supply i would just keep an eye on that
On Cyber Monday, I bought a 2000$ prebuild PC for 1200$. I searched all of the components on Newegg or Amazon and added up the total price. Getting each part and putting it together itself would have cost 300$ more and my time. The computer is modifiable. Now I know I have a working PC, replacing individual parts is much more simple than putting one together.
If you buy the more expensive prebuilds they're good quality. But if you're buying the 400-800$ ones, you're probably better off putting it together yourself.
Yeah, you pretty much need discounts this deep for them to make sense. For reference highly sought after components like GPUs rarely go on sale these days at all so there is definitely room to maneuver in certain price ranges.
You can build a significantly better PC than your image for roughly 600-800 usd. If you're set on prebuilt, get one from Micro Center, most major chains' prebuilts are flagrant ripoffs
Just looked up that PC. That's pretty good value. You probably can't beat it with individual parts.
btw It's $347 if you're wondering.
I take it back, I just realized that the CPU is unlisted so it's probably not that great.
it's a 4th gen i5. Pretty weak, but probably good enough for 45-60fps at 1080p. Not terrible for $350 imo
Why the fuck would anyone buy this
Just get a cheap as fuck old office leased computer, one with standard parts, then slap in a cheap GPU, you can get (almost) all the benefits of PC gaming for only a couple of dollars
Then one day if you want to you can ship of Theseus, I did that with my old ass dell computer, literally every part has been upgraded now, and for less than the consoles in between
a local prebuilt is your best bet for prebuilt. it's so much better to just bring your prebuilt back to the guy at your little local shop if you have any problems than it is to deal with big companies. otherwise a steam deck is a better deal than any prebuilt you'll find online. the rog ally is ass don't touch it. just keep in mind that if you buy a budget pre-built with the intent of upgrading it later the upgrade later might be in the realm of $500 since you'll probably need to upgrade the motherboard, processor and RAM. if you want to not have to upgrade all that stuff later try to get a PC that uses DDR5, that'll at least ensure you're on the latest platform so you don't have to buy a new motherboard.
if you're anywhere near a microcenter just go there. their prebuilts are good, they'll assemble stuff for you for a cost and they have bundle deals so you can get a discount getting your mobo/ram/cpu all at once.
>a local prebuilt is your best bet for prebuilt.
How I can find them?
friends, family, look for computer repair shops they'll typically sell PCs as well, every gaming cafe around me also sells pre-builts
>Spending hundreds on oversized GPUS
>Spend hundreds on designer tempered glass cases
>Entire build covered in RGB lights
>Forgetting the most important component of any build
A true unsung hero
would this protect my gayman pc from a lightning strike
lost my last one to that
Yes. It also has a back up battery so if power goes, the pc stays on so you can shut it down or finish work.
Depends in the model, just get any Cyberpower Full Sinewave model.
If you're going to buy a prebuilt you have to really know what you're doing. HP prebuits are usually fair for $144 via Amazon (which is my current PC) and it's been doing the job for me quite well for all of the activities I want to do. The only downside is I can't play graphics demanding games, but I am currently in the process of building a PC next week when I buy my case. Boomers, idiots, and lazy fucks that refuse to build their own PC will get ripped off the most because they would rather pay $999 for an Alienware computer than spending $400-500 for a decent DIY build, or just buy something cheap they can use for now and slowly work their way up to build a viable PC.
I bought mine off of NZXT a few years ago. Had an issue with the power supply or something almost immediately and had to wait a while for the repair to be approved and done. After that it was fine and has been since. It wasn't massively overpriced, didn't have to take the time to build it myself, didn't have to deal with actually figuring out what the problem was and getting in contact with whichever person made the parts myself. Overall I'd say prebuilts are worth it if you're lazy and don't like the headache of having to deal with more than one person if something went wrong
If you don't know much about PC building the infinitely better option is to buy an upgrade combo or whatever they call it. Usually has mobo+cpu+memory at a discount, so you don't need to worry about those parts' compatibility.
Then just get the cheapest case, probably a 6700 XT for a cheap but really good GPU, ~700 W PSU, SSD+HDD, keyboard and mouse combo, monitor.
Could i do that with the one in OPs pic?
No
Damn it has proprietary parts.
Been using a prebuilt dell since 2021 with a 1650 super I got for $600, I put a better cpu fan and upgraded the ssd and it's better been good for games up to Elden Ring at 1080p
I wouldn't buy a high spec prebuilt though would probably have lots of heating issues
If you're buying pre-built, don't buy from places like Walmart or Target. They're overpriced and have garbage specs because they were made to fool grandma's who want to buy a computer for their grandson's birthday so he can play "that vidya game the kids are all talking about these days"
Do your consoomer research and buy from a reputable company like Maingear or Origin. They have cheaper options that are on par with what you would find in a Walmart with none of the bullshit bloatware and nonsense part choices.
Maybe back when GPUs were at peak whale, hell I even shilled it. But not now when you can find all the parts
didnt read thread but can anyone recommend sleeper build that has top of the line parts? Looking to upgrade my 2016 prebuilt. Doesnt have to be prebuilt, im sure i can connect some wires lol