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they're all shit
I can't. they are all masterpieces.
tendie pedo moment
That doesn't answer the question
V and it's not even a contest, which says something considering 4 exist.
5 has best the combat and stealth tho
Don't bother, people still think the game is "unfinished", even though every single plot point is wrapped up, and the datamines revealed only small snippets of dialogue weren't included.
Scrapped in a very early stage, never got past concept art.
>even though every single plot point is wrapped up
Right, except for the entirety of Chapter 3 which was cut and totally wasn't down to the fact Kojima was pulled from the team, locked in a different office, refused any form of communication with the people under him, and the team were told by Konami to just wrap up whatever was actually finished and cut everything else before release.
Nope, all planned. Konami and Kojima are actually good friends and it was all a ruse that comically tanked Konami's decades of goodwill within weeks. Kojima is secretly working on MGS6 at this exact moment.
I’ve seen some very good essays that talk about expressions of duality, a very american phenomenon. The third chapter was either dlc, or another expression of phantom pain. Two chapters feels right.
>we still feel the Phantom Pain from the missing limb that is the lack of a third chapter
la creadividad kojimbo i kneel
There never was a chapter 3.
literally nothing was wrapped up.
Name one plot point that was left hanging.
There isn't a single indication that a Chapter 3 went into any sort of development.
>bb..ut muh title card
And Chico had concept art. Doesn't mean anything if it never went into development.
maybe the fact that the real big boss was never in that hospital you play through in the start, so even the truth mission is a lie.
Listen, just because your schizo theories didn't pan out changes nothing. Every single plot point in the game is resolved, or is carried over into Metal Gear games taking place after it.
Most retards don't even know that the Nuclear Disarmament ending is canon. In the instruction manual to Metal Gear it's flat out stated that almost every single nuclear device has been decommissioned, hence why Outer Heaven getting one is a big deal. Kojima used Phantom Pain to explain how this came about.
if you paid attention to even the smallest detail of the game you'd know nothing got resolved
>Liquid and Mantis steal the biggest most powerful weapon ever built and fly off into the sunset
>this is never mentioned again
Would not have made any difference if that shit was included. It wouldn't make Chapter 1 more satisfying, nor chapter 2 just look at the themes and you'll understand what Kojima was going for and why MUH CUT CONTENT is a fucking meme.
I don't care about that shit, but the fact that there is a weapon like that just out in the wild and never comes up again in the series is a massive hole that should be explained or have never happened in the first place. There was absolutely NO point to Sahelanthropus being stolen by them if there was never going to be a conclusion to it, they should have cut that entire bit altogether.
not that anon, and i can't prove this but i swear somewhere in my memory is a comment by a dev or something saying that there were 5 environment types planned, one of which was a snow biome. and we only got 2, the desert and the jungle/savanna. maybe i'm crazy but i swear i remember hearing there was going to be 5 environment types planned. also stuff like the man on fire plotline just ending, and then him going into a cage or whatever and that's just the end of it. that robot thing that huey makes that you get a cutscene for and then nothing happens with it and the game just forgets about it. there was definitely a ton of shit cut that was just left hanging
>also stuff like the man on fire plotline just ending
It was Volgin, and he doesn't "go into a cage". After realising that Venom isn't the real BB, he lets go and dies.
>saying that there were 5 environment types planned
That was repeated on threads on here before the game was released, that's why you remember it. Someone made it up, and it went viral.
>that robot thing that huey makes that you get a cutscene for and then nothing happens with it and the game just forgets about it
Sahelanthropus is a useless pile of scrap without Psycho Mantis puppeteering it. It doesn't hop any plot relevance once Skullface is dead, and Liquid stealing it does nothing, since it's damaged and can only be repaired by Huey.
oh and the face that millar was clearly dealing with "skull face"
>There isn't a single indication that a Chapter 3 went into any sort of development.
Kingdom of the Flies, which wraps up the entirety of the rivalry between Elie and Big Boss through the game.
He's talking about the Metal Gear developed for Mother Base, not Sahelanthropus. It was a planned vehicle that was cut from the game.
Kingdom of Flies is a shit and unnecessary level, which explains why it was cut halfway through development. It serves absolutely no purpose story-wise, and ends on the same "Liquid fucked off somewhere with Psycho Mantis" note.
>He's talking about the Metal Gear developed for Mother Base, not Sahelanthropus. It was a planned vehicle that was cut from the game.
No, there wasn't. Once again, information about "what was planned" is so polluted by schizo YouTubers and people making shit up here and in the "Never Be Game Over" reddit thread that I'm not surprised you're confused. This piece of information is completely made up. There is not a single source backing it up.
As much as I don't like plugging some videos, go here:
And skip to 02:09:00. The guy in depth goes over "cut content" for Phantom Pain, and how much of a meme it is.
>I-it was shit that's why it was cut
Fuck off you deluded retard. It was cut because the last six months of the game were wrap up detail while Kojima was forced into an office away from the team and refused to work with them.
Then provide source?
>Everybody else is wrong, I'm right
Not even worth arguing with you. Peak main character syndrome.
Can you provide a SINGLE official source for your "cut content" existing? Because as we stand right now, you're making it up.
i was not talking about sahelanthropus i was talking about battle gear or whatever it was called, you get a cutscene where huey finishes it and throw his hands up in triumph, and then you walk out the room and nothing is ever said about it again and you don't see it or get to use it ever
The purpose of Battle Gear was to create a weapon that could take down a Metal Gear. Then it turned out Sahelanthropus is just a useless pile of junk that needs to be psychically moved about.
Kingdom of Flies is a payoff for quite a few things that were built up previously, up to and including the fact that Venom had some vision issues that was harped on early in the game, and it makes itself known during that chapter from the little we know about it. The issue is that Konami and Kojima were at odds, and Konami forced their team to wrap up and release MGSV in less than 6 months (because they unironically wanted out of video games), which resulted in an unfinished product.
>(because they unironically wanted out of video games)
More like because they actually wanted to release it.
>muh ebil Konami forcing Kojima to make PS360 game!
Kojima promised that every new Kojima Productions game will be on Vita when they announced NGP
Well, the game wasn't ready yet, especially since the game was being built as the FOX Engine was still being developed and refined in tandem. Literally no one denies Kojima could have better managed the project to be more efficient, but in the end of the day it was Konami that pulled the trigger (and they STILL made their profit less than 5 days after the game released even in the state it's in).
There is a lot of footage of chapter 3. You are just a troll or a contrarian. If content was not cut, well it's worst, because this just mean that they made an empty world, same levels in chapter 2, and hopes in the story, just as intended. I want to point also that even with chapter 3 the game would feel built on scraos of development.
>There is a lot of footage of chapter 3.
May I see it?
Probably he talk about Mission 51. Considering how much the game chapters are an unfinished mess, we don't know where Mission 51 was going to be originally, if at the end of Chapter 2, beetween chapter 2 and 3 or at the start of chapter 3.
Are you retarded? It's outright stated by the developers it was part of Chapter 2.
How can you people be so imbecilic. It was a datamined TITLE CARD, and nothing else. There isn't a shred of content from Chapter 3, because it was tossed early on in development.
Chapter 3 was supposed to be nothing but a title card that showed up when nuclear disarmament was made official, but Konami scrapped the plans and hard-locked the game from ever "officially" being able to be nuke free so that the card never shows. Why is a mystery.
Please, stop making up stuff, I beg of you.
It probably was just never implemented properly. Same reason why the last unique mission the game has ends with children stealing a nuke mecha is never addressed or followed up on.
>>It probably was just never implemented properly. Same reason why the last unique mission the game has ends with children stealing a nuke mecha is never addressed or followed up on.
It's never addressed because the "mech" is a pile of useless scrap without Psycho Mantis. Its design is worthless.
You're right anon it being worthless without psycho mantis means that Liquid and Psycho Mantis stealing it and leaving with 0 resolution is acceptable.
>They stole a useless pile of junk without a single nuke.
When you figure into the equation that the Nuclear Disarmament ending is canon (see MG1's manual for confirmation) - yes, this plot point is resolved.
>without Psycho Mantis
But it HAS psycho mantis, you dumbass.
Yes, retard, who is a single, mentally insane person. You want your nuclear weapons platform to depend upon a complete schizo, who falls under the influence of whoever in the vicinity has the darkest thoughts?
The purpose of Metal Gears was to be highly mobile nuclear weapons platforms. Sahelanthropus can't even fucking MOVE by itself - it's a total failure.
You would think a single insane person going rogue with a nuclear armed robot would be a big deal, but I guess not. Let's just never resolve that bit of story because the robot has a questionable design lol
>nuclear armed robot
It doesn't carry a single nuke, cretin.
Shame there's no place they lived at that could potentially have some they could steal, perhaps with some nearly indestructible robot with other arms to fight with. Yep could never happen I sure am happy that the plotline is """"""""'resolved"""""""""
>Nearly indestructible robot.
>Defeated by a single mercenary.
Without it being a functioning mobile nuclear platform, it's just a really big tank - in other words, a really big, easy to hit target.
That's the definition of nitpicking. The essence of the matter is that the entire design was a dead end, and a failure, and no state would sponsor its construction. And it was a failure because Huey had no one to plagiarize this time, which was the entire point.
Defeated by a legendary soldier with dozens and dozens of rockets or armored vehicles, and that didn't even fucking destroy it. What could the base do to defend themselves from it? Fuckin nothing, especially if Venom is out
Its armor is made of fucking nuclear material, at the very least someone could build nuclear weapons out of its hull, at worst it would be completely reverse-engineered and the technology downscaled to make entire armies of Battle Gears
They could have EASILY resolved this by simply having Venom disassemble the thing to have it remade into the smaller but functional TX-55. Eli and Mantis should have never been in the fucking game.
It doesn't matter whether if there was cut content. The story we got was shit and was told in a shit manner. That's enough to condemn the game.
>it doesn't matter
And yet you kept arguing there is, moron.
>story was shit
Every single Metal Gear game has shit story. That wasn't what we were discussing.
>And yet you kept arguing there is, moron.
I haven't replied to you before jackass.
>Every single Metal Gear game has shit story. That wasn't what we were discussing.
Why even bother with this story intensive series then?
Datamine revealed that the game was so unfinished that a lot of content not even reached the point to be transformed in datas to be mined
>every single plot point is wrapped up,
What's your point here? His plot point ends in MGS. And Sahelanthropus is completely useless when not psychically puppeteered, so nobody would be interested in the design, since it's a failure.
>And Sahelanthropus is completely useless when not psychically puppeteered,
Yes, which is what Psycho Mantis has been doing for the entire game, is doing in that cutscene and would have continued to do in the cut content missions that they never finished. Are you so dense that you genuinely believe this is completely wrapped up and not unfinished at all? MGS1 never mentions anything about Sahelanthropus or what happened to it.
And nothing engaging enough to make me want to play around with any of the mechanics it is has to offer.
Mg survive is better than mgs v in every way
Except the whole game will be dead and unplayable when Konami finally cuts the cord
MGS survive is the proof that the gameplay and fox engine carry a lot that turd that is GZ, TPP and Survive itself. People who avoid to play for good Survive sometimes dear to discover that truth.
>People who avoid to play for good Survive sometimes dear to discover that truth.
No content. MGS4 sucked but at least it had stuff to do.
>Combat in a kojima title
That’s never been good and never will be.
MGSV doesn't even have great gameplay since each mission is use the traq on enemies at a distance while crawling (rocket arm if armored) and balloon them. You can even one hit vehicles with the balloons.
You just lack creativity man, why would you use an easy approach like tranq instead of all the creative ways devs have put there?
because if you give players an easy ultra-efficient option they're just gonna do it even if it's boring
tranq gun was a mistake from its introduction and if it existed at all it should have been slow reloading, short range, triggered an alert immediately upon wakeup, and very limited ammo
The best way to S rank most missions is to go full Rambo and simply beat the timer, killing everyone in sight.
Everything in this game is easy. Throwing decoys under people and then knocking them out by activating it is extremely easy. Your sidekicks make the game really easy. It would be easier to talk about which tools actually make the game a fair challenge rather than ridiculously easy.
You’re the kind of person that uses glintstone shard for the entirety of elden ring and then says the spells all suck without even experimenting.
V is a work of art with the best gameplay, you got filtered
No, it arguably has the best mechanics but everything else is so boring and lackluster there's no point.
You are comparing two PSP titles to a full console release. At least the missions for those games didn't feel almost completely disconnected from the story. I also had a lot of fun with local multiplayer on PO and Co-Op on PW.
4's balance is way off but the send off is pretty satisfying and retarded in the way MGS always has been. I'll take that any day over disaster of a story MGSV had and that's including the dumb Johnny and Meyrl subplot.
That's jus being butthurt. Your feefees might have been hurt because you got hyped too much, and the game did not deliver but there is no way MGSV is worse than PW, PO or 4.
V is great. It's a great game in general, and up until a certain point, it's a great MG game. If Kojima ever got to finish the damn thing it would have been a masterpiece.
The answer is PW and its not even close.
People who say 5 is shit are so delusional. The gameplay alone makes it an 8 or 9.
Every game featuring Solid Snake is extremely overrated, but Guns of the Patriots plays almost like a parody.
MGS2 no contest.
V by far.
4 was a good fan service game and the last game of the series to me.
Not fan service
Everyone knows MGR>4>3>1>2>AC!D>5
>Peace Walker worst
>no TPP on the list
peace walker shouldn't even be there cause it's basically a VN with shitty gameplay attached, but the story and dialogue is some of the best in the series. in terms of pure gameplay it's the absolute worst 100% but for story it's probably in the top 4. i still voted for it though because it's the one i am least likely to ever play again
>peace walker shouldn't even be there cause it's basically a VN with shitty gameplay attached
So other MGS games are basically movies?
Doesn't 4 have 7 hours of cutscenes?
It also has some great gameplay sections, something people constantly seem to forget.
mgs1,2,3,5 and to a lesser extent 4 all have excellent gameplay attached, they are so good that people like me will happily replay them time and time again while skipping all the cutscenes and dialogue, just to enjoy the gameplay by itself and go for high ranks or beating the harder difficulties. peace walker's gameplay is trash.
Peace Walker gameplay is fantastic.
eh disagree, but tbf when i played through the series it was with the legacy collection on ps3 so i played 1,2,3,4 and then peace walker and going from mgs4 to a handheld game running on a tv it felt like a big downgrade. maybe if i played it on the psp when it came out i would have liked it more
I seriously love Peace Walker. They had to minimize the controls to bare minimum for PSP's limited controls and memory limitations, so they left out some of the pace ruining features, like camo changing during mission or even crawling, especially after MGS4 made crawling too op and too prevalent.
Levels are small with well defined enemy positions, they kind of reminds me of VR missions in a way.
Not to mention Paz fight.
The gameplay in 1 does not hold up as much as people like to pretend. Furthermore, the story makes it clear that this was Kojima's first real cinematic foray, with constant restating of tired platitudes. People defend 1 for being a landmark game in spite of it not really holding up.
Completely disagree. I think the mechanics of 1 are the most polished aside from 2 largely because they are more simplistic than the later titles. The boss battles, level design, OST, and story are also the best out of series in my opinion.
maybe you mean mgs portable or whatever it's called, mgs pw has cutscenes and dialogue and normal gameplay. Hell it's my second most played mgs after v. V and pw's mission structure fucks with the story's continuity but massively helps replayability especially with side ops and shit (there are even custom side ops on pc with mods)
peace walker no contest
>spend 5 minutes shooting rockets at a tank
>repeat ad nauseam
Eat my ass Peace Walker rocks.
PW also has the worst bosses in the series
>1-4 has interesting bosses with backstories, gimmicks, and fun way to engage them
>HERE'S GIANT ROBOT #1!
>NOW HERE'S GIANT ROBOT #2!
But I only played snake eater
MGSV really was the thing that finally broke the camels ass.
2 sucks, but 4 is so bland and boring I couldn't bare to finish it.
piss walker has the retarded canon-ruining writing of 4 with the shitty repetitive mobileshit gameplay of 5 that 5 actually cribbed it from and slightly iproved upon
peace walker is the worst, but phantom pain is a close second
mgs2 on the other hand is so fucking cringe that it warps back to being based
I find it hard to believe Ground Zeroes is as loved as the poll makes it out to be. It's pretty much a demo.
Ganker is full of contrarians.
it's very well crafted and very replayable
of course, those who paid full price for it at launch were 100% scammed, but today it's an enjoyable appetizer before the absolute trainwreck that is tpp
it's a demo but it's a fairly good demo, this is voting against what you don't like remember. V has more issues as a whole so people who don't like the newer games are gonna vote for it
if mgs5 was a series of 15-20 levels in the same scope and replayability of ground zeroes it would have been a perfect game, but instead we got riding around the desert clearing out camps and giant 10 hour long chunks of game with no story
Ground Zeroes is a better made product than 95% of MGSV. While V has parts that are absolute on par with it that people frequently ignore for the sake of shitposting, it doesn't excuse the rest of the game surrounding those segments.
There is not point on hating specifically the demo game, because the risk is pointing a sin to cover another. It's better to vote Phantom Pain, but this doesn't mean I'm ok with GZ, because the problem was all the V project mismanagement.
Remember when there was a significant group people that thought that Chico would be Quiet?
>3 of them voted for mgs1
how does it feel to be such a contrarian that you don't even belong in the most contrarian website on earth
1 has the least good things of any of the games
2 and 3 have much better stories while 4 and 5 have superior gameplay, I'd say 4 also has better story just worse paced
all the good things about the story of mgs2 were introduced in mgs
all of the "innovations" introduced in mgs2 ended up ruining mgs4 as well
who cares if they were introduced there if the plot wasn't even about them?
its like saying MG 2 is better than MGS 3 because all the good things about the story of mgs3 were introduced in mg2
>1 has the least good things of any of the games
Muisc, atmsphere and boss crew
>4 also has better story just worse paced
4 ruined everything that was good about 2 and 3's story (then piss walker raped the corpse)
There's nothing good about 2's story
2 got it beat in story and music. 3 got it beat in Boss crew.
People who vote 4 should kill themselves
4’s cutsceens are absolute tedium and lots of it doesn’t makes sense, like johnny not having the nanomachines, but everyone who does collapsing from ptsd when they’re turned off. But he’s been immune to pstd this whole time and doesn’t flinch? It makes zero sense.
Best thing about that game was Snake’s design, which was cool as hell.
Making Johnny a prominent character is the worst thing 4 did storywise. They do explain why he doesn't have nanomachines and therefore no side effects it's just really dumb. He was afraid of needles so he just never got injected with them.
Sounds like a lot of people in 2020-2022.
>has to shove in the anti-Vaxx agenda whenever possible
I see losing 2020 fair and square still lives rent free in 4chan's head
Imagine being this thin skinned that merely pointing out an object fact on how people reacted to a semi similar procedure puts you on the defensive, and you start manifesting 4chan as a coping mechanism.
I genuinely thought the explanation is he shit them out from all his aggressive diarrhea
Funny enough if I remember correctly there is a line about him being sick all the time or having diarrhea being result of him not having nanomachines.
Millions must fulfill The Boss' dream.
johnny is afraid of needles and never took the vax
Wasn't there an outrage at ground zeroes when it came out?
$60 asking price for a tech demo would do that. Which isn't an issue in 2023 when you can get it for as long as $3 these days on a good sale.
It was supposed to be $40, but in the end it was $30.
On PC I think it was $20 on launch.
Why are salty boomers still so assblasted at mgs5? it doesn't deserve all this hate.
Yeah V is pretty good much better than MGS3 for me.
>point camera at any random object or scene in the game, or equip an item and call someone on codec
>get detailed dialogue all about it with jokes and information
>call anyone on codec
>get the same 3 canned responses with no contextual information about anything
>all story delivered in boring ass tapes that don't take context into account
>point camera at any random object or scene in the game, or equip an item and call someone on codec
>get detailed dialogue all about it with jokes and information
That was MGS3. 2 had nothing but Rose whining and crying
even mgs1 had full dialogue about almost every item you equipped, natasha went on and on about all the guns and stuff. mgs2 had a ton of random calls with otacon on the tanker that most people didn't even see cause of how many there were. and rose calls were kino don't lie
>and rose calls were kino don't lie
They were fucking awful, don't lie to yourself. Rose is not charming or funny or interesting, she is a needy, clingy, whiny cunt
I forgot about Otacon on the tanker though, some of the shit he says about the photos you can take is funny
jack remember when you were in america and said it was the chrysler kong climbed well it was actually the empire state building you fucking moron
>Rose is not charming or funny or interesting, she is a needy, clingy, whiny cunt
exactly, that's why it was kino, she talks like a real woman just exaggerated, you felt raiden's frustration during each call.
>said tapes can get interrupted by the obligatory and generic lines for snipers, gunships or mission briefings
>Dead even between V and 4
Sometimes you guys are alright
4 of those votes are mine
i voted with my wifi, my phone, my mother's phone AND my father's phone
mgs4 deserves all the hate it can get
>Peacewalker not the worst
I'm convinced most people here just haven't played it.
I played the whole thing co-op with a friend on release on PSP, then we played it together again on the PS3 version with a third friend along
There's no way I can hate it, great memories. It was MGO for people who didn't get to play MGO
The motherbase system is far better than in phantom pain
i seriously hope there are no bros in this thread admitting to getting filtered by 4
i'm sure most haven't even played it since it's only on the ps3
sure thing bud, let my boot up youtube
Yeah idk it gets too much bashed just like V, i played MGS 4 for the first time 1 and half year ago and it was kino, sure the pacing is kinda meh but its fine.
The only good part of 4 was the Rex vs Ray fight
The rest of the game was just a giant cock tease
>here's all these cool mechanics, have fun with them for the next 5 fucking minutes down this hallway until the next 2 hour badly written info dump that shits all over every character you ever liked from the series because kojima had a melty
Those people never got to experience MGO2.
>SNAKE, LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT JIVIN' GORILLA
>"Haha! Aren't you glad you don't have to spend 30 seconds changing discs anymore? Technology has come so far! Now please wait 10 while the game is installing the next chapter"
What an embarrassing failure of a game.
>people actually voting Phantom Pain or 4 over Peace Walker
Board full of redditors and retards that watch OuterHeaven on Twitch and parrot the same nonsense. Phantom Pain has the best gameplay in the series, the best graphics in the series and the best story in the series
>best gameplay in the series
disagree but i can see people thinking this, the gameplay is great, it just wasn't as tight or interesting as mgs2/3 for me
>the best graphics in the series
objectively true but not really that relevant
>the best story in the series
5 has the worst story, the worst characters, the worst pacing, the worst level design and the worst presentation, art design, concept art and ost of the entire franchise
>but i can ride a jeep, weee
go back to fortnite.
>and the best story in the series
Fucking lmao. How do you end up this delusional?
>How do you end up this delusional?
By getting into (much better written) schizo theories instead of the story presented
i choose to believe the indoctrination ending of mass effect 3 too but that doesn't make it real
>newest game in series has the best graphics
MGSV has the worst level design in the series.
>MGS 3 exists
You didn't like the tree hallways?
They weren't bad but uh it gets stale after a while.
>sit back and snipe everyone then run through: the game
At least in MGSV the mechanics made it not only viable but FUN to sneak up and CQC, hold up, or choke out every guard instead. Also harder than the others since you can't just knock someone out and run to the next screen to prevent them from waking up
>not enjoying comfy jungle stealth in bed on psp
The interactive movie mgs4 is much better.
1 > Rising >>> 2 > 3 >> PP >>> 4 >>>>>>>> PW
It's kinda funny that every new Metal Gear game kept proving that Otacon was a fraud.
MGSV may be the worst pile of shit I ever played in my whole life. Fuck Kojima, fuck konami and fuck the open world meme.
Have you only played 2 other games in your entire life?
Grow the fuck up zoomer piece of shit
MGS 1 kino
MGS 2 kino
MGS 3 overrated kino
MGS4 has some issue but still kino
MGS V kino af
MGS S*rvive piece of shit.
MGS Peace Walker idk never played
MGS GZ kino but its just one giant mission.
Metal Gear Rising Revengeance kino but killed by reddit and YT pozzers.
>killed by reddit and YT pozzers.
why are you posting your self portrait?
>MGS Peace Walker idk never played
Peace Walker is better than 4 and V, it has some goofy parts but all the characters are great, which is why MGS V was such a disapointment.
MGS4 was the last MGS that actually played like one, MGS5 is SOCOM with better gameplay, not an MGS.
>5 is worse than 4
I'm glad Kojima killed Metal Gear, gaymers are retarded and gayming is dead
>PW that high
>MGS2 that low
jesus this board has shit taste.
Phantom Pain had the weakest story tbh, but trailers are peak KINO, this is where Kojima peaked tbh
>Peacewalker being beaten by both 4 and V
What the fuck. It objectively has the worst gameplay and story of all the MGS games. Maybe only tied for V's story quality but V at least has great gameplay, same as 4 which also has a meh (but not awful) story. Both 4 and V shit all over PW in terms of gameplay. Why are they so much higher.
it is because it was released on PSP originally therefore least amount of people played it. I personally haven't played it too
Peace Walker is fantastic, millennial.
Also controls != gameplay. Not to mention 4 is a crawling simulator.
almost wrote an angry paragraph and called you a dyslexic gay
>Here boss fight this tank for 47th time
>Just keep shooting rockets at it until it explodes
>Make sure to fulton every single person you down as well!
The gameplay is much worse than just the controls dipshit. I played it on PS3 on the HD collection and the controls were fine. The issue is entirely centered around the repetitive as fuck missions, gameplay loop and fuckawful boss fights.
>seethes about optional sneakable side missions
Meanwhile in TPP.
>Both 4 and V shit all over PW in terms of gameplay
Having mechanics is worthless if you don't get any chance to actually take advantage of it.
PW story wasn't great, but at least it didn't go out of its way to specifically shit all over the previous casts for no goddamn reason. At worst it's forgettable, but 4's story is a blatant middle finger to the fanbase.
PW has a story, V doesn't really.
PW has levels that have stuff in them and aren't just empty world with a few buildings thrown in them here and there.
PW doesn't spoil each cutscene before it happens by telling me it's starring the skull unit.
PW has the excuse of being a PSP game while V has no excuse.
I'd say PW is the 2nd worst because of that.
Ground Zeroes Nd Phantom pain should be treated as the two parts of the same game
ground zeroes is little more than a demo and wouldn't be considered a mainline game at all if it weren't so much better than what came right before and after it.
MGS2 by far.
Ground Zeroes was the worst, it wasn't even a full game. Just a shitty demo.
V might be the worst "mgs" game but it's the one with best gameplay. 4 on the other hand has mgs dna but is fucking bad and disappointing in every possible way, from bad non existing gameplay to godawful story.
>did not play it
mgs4 has a bajillion of problems and gameplay isn't one of them
it's literally deeper than 5 in every possible way
the biggest problem with the gameplay is that there's not enough of it and the things that are there are just meh. besides boss fights that were cool moment to moment gameplay was lackluster. they've spent most of the budget and dev time on making cutscenes. whoever thinks watching sunny make eggs tutorials is fun should go fuck yourself.
sorry but I had to give it to Phantom Pain
I'm sorry but as much as I would have liked I have never finished MGSV campaign during all these years. I have restarted it on 3 different platforms but it's just not... happening.
Fuck you Kojima.
>Game with best gameplay in the series is considered the worst
So is gameplay important or not? Because to me it seems like you morons only care about watching movies not playing games.
what's the point of good gameplay in huge, empty levels where you can snipe everything from a kilometer away?
you're just a boring person
MGS4 was the worst game ever made until MGSV came out. I fucking hate Kojima and I have no respect for any Kojima-drone
>MGS4 was the worst game ever made
tendie pedo moment
go make your 87435132412456468th speedrun of Mario 64
MGS4 is a highly underrated game with bloated cutscenes strapped to it. The only real bad segment is Chapter 3, but even that has a decent boss fight at the end of it.
MGS4 is not bad because of bad gameplay or set pieces, it's bad because of everything it represents. The endless cutscenes, the pants on head retarded plot, the obnoxious sense of self-importance despite how it's a bunch of anime tropes, the fucking brown and bloom... It's not a video game, it's an insult. Especially in the face of everyone who loved the first three
And still MGSV is worse.
It's literally no different than MGS2 or 3 from that same criticism, just more of it across the board (because it is a bigger game overall). The cultural zeitgeist dislikes MGS4 because it's a forever PS3 exclusive, and is probably never getting ported, ever.
>The cultural zeitgeist dislikes MGS4 because it's a forever PS3 exclusive, and is probably never getting ported, ever
lmao fucking cope, I got that shit on release day. If it ever got ported, it would just get exposed even harder once more people could see its bullshit first hand.
Explain how V and 4 are worse than Peacewalker.
4, not even a contest. At least V has some fun missions.
if chapter 3 got cut then it wasn't important to the plot anyways
right now mgsv is being dunked on the most on the poll because americans are asleep. most euros had a ps3, played mgs4 and enjoyed it
on the other hand, as soon as americans awake, mgs4 is going to get drowned in votes, because americans grew up with a 360, and so were forced to look up on youtube sone kind of MGS4 COMPILATION: THE MOVIE reel with only cutscenes and all gameplay removed.
I voted for 2 due to:
The main character, Raiden, being shit
Horrid level design
The story going off the rails on irrelevant bullshit in the last hour and ending on a cliffhanger
>The story going off the rails on irrelevant bullshit in the last hour
That's the only good thing about MGS2's story though
>That's the only good thing about MGS2's story though
something completely irrelevant and out of the blue is the best part?
Yes. It's better than "BOOHOO BULLETS CAN'T HIT ME I'M SO SAD" and "BLEH I VILL SUCK YOUR BLOOD" and "JACK YOUR BEDROOM IS SO EMPTY"
>"BLEH I VILL SUCK YOUR BLOOD"
I DO NOT SAY BLEH BLEH BLEH
>he doesn't know
I played 4, most of the stuff introduced in 2 got rewritten for the better.
You are really too dumb for the game
The only bad part of MGS2 was the last section, but not because of the story, because it explained way too much for retards like you who couldn't figure it out from context clues. This is why V's story is better, it uses the same ideas but doesn't spell them out in boring expo dumps.
>The only bad part of MGS2 was the last section
You call me dumb for hating the last section and you agree it's bad?
>it explained way too much for retards like you who couldn't figure it out from context clues
and the person explaining them to you was lying to you the entire game, why trust them now?
Not that anon but I think most of MGS2 is bad, just from a map and game design standpoint. Having to unlock the radar in areas sucks because the game is built around its usage, and first person aiming with the tranq pistol trivializes most rooms. The plot is really the strongest point the game has in its favor, but even then has issues presentation wise, cramming lots of exposition into codec calls with a person directly in front of you for example
>first person aiming with the tranq pistol trivializes most rooms.
There is no game where having a manual aim tranq gun is not completely OP and game-breakingly dominant
The Deus Ex crossbow would like to have a word
Not a tranq at all, still counts as a kill
Even with the tranq darts?
4 has the worst gameplay. 5 has the worst story. This is an undeniable fact.
Anyone that says MGS4 has the worst gameplay has never touched the game in their life. What an unbelievably retarded take.
Go ahead and tell me which game you think has worse gameplay then, and explain why.
Peace Walkerz because literally drilling a fucking Helicopter with 50+ misses is beyond retarded. But please refute it.
God you kids are such reactionary drones.
mgs5 is a trainwreck from the beginning to the end
mgs4 is also a trainwreck for 80% of the game, but at least it has a strong start and a memorable end
I think 3 is kinda overrated so ill vote for it. Peace Walker was fantastic and ground zeroes is really nice slice of pie with quality content
V > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1 > PW
1 > 3 > PW > V > 2 > 4
V > 4 > 3 > 2 > PW > 1
3 > 2 > PW > 1 > V > 4
It's funny how this shit board hyped itself up to some imaginary version of V then got disappointed with the actual game
V is a good game but not a good MGS game
it's pretty bad even as a game per se.
even from a game without the mgs moniker on the cover, i still expect a proper narrative beginning, middle and conclusion.
mgs5 just fails to deliver on its promises, and is largely remembered as an overgrown children playground where you can kidnap sheep
boring, bland, brown and bloom battlefields.
In terms of what? Story? Gameplay? World? Player agency? Or overall?
Is Survive any fun as a co-op game? Me and my friend are dying for a new game to play.
Yes, do not believe Kojidrones, it is fun
V at least has the studio meddling excuse, 4 has no reason to feel like that much of a chore following how good 2 and 3 were.
kojima didn't want to make it so he made it deliberately retarded
but he didn't want to make 3 and 2 at first either so eh
For a guy who claims to be some kind of creative dad, he sure doesn't like being asked to create things
I’m glad common sense overrides V contrarianism. 4 and 5 aren’t just bad mgs games. They’re genuinely shit games
As someone who’s beaten every mgs game I’m always astounded to see people say muh gameplay! It’s a fucking kojima game he has never made remotely interesting combat or gameplay content. I love his games but I consider them artsy movie titles. The only one I’d replay for the gameplay is rising
>It’s a fucking kojima game he has never made remotely interesting combat or gameplay content.
This is peak contrarianism.
Nope thought this since I beat mgs 3 as a kid, loved characters, loved the story, loved the plot twist. Hate the dog shit shooting and stealth.
How do I vote for all of them?
Probably survivors. Or whatever that last attempt was. And the pachinko games.
Unironically MGS. It was amazing at the time, but now that all the other games are out, I’d play any of those again. MGS is just too short and simple comparatively.
where has op talked about replayability?
I like everything about Peace Walker except the actual gameplay, it feels horribly gimped by being on a handheld and with the exception of the big robots, which at least had neat designs, none of the "Destroy this vehicle" encounters were ever very fun
PW and PP aside, even the worst MGS is better than 99% of the games made today. Yes that includes the Survive which is a far better game than PP was. At least it didn't shit on it's legacy and influence completely.
Sad to see 86 people don't have friends.
Peace Walker is just absolute, irredeemable shit.
Even Portable Ops was miles better.
Am I weird for liking 1 the least because it's gameplay just isnt't as good as everything that came after it?
people like you who are incapable of putting things into the perspective of when they came out are cursed to only enjoy the latest schlop.
Piss Walker was the least MGS MGS game of them all easily. Also the least fun. MGSV was also weak on MGS elements but at least it was still a great game, albeit 50% unfinished. MGS4 was peak MGS, if you voted this you don't like the MGS series. MGS4 also had MGO for free, the greatest multiplayer game, gave endless hours of extra enjoyment. The voters are retards.
fuck off retard. mgs4 was born out of pure hate and snoy corporation desire to have a ps3 blockbuster exclusive that could rival call of duty, it was a giant fuck you statement to all fans who just wanted some kind of continuation and conclusion to the story of solid snake. mgs4 is unabashedly stupid, senseless (unironically the theme of the game), shit in your face, postmodern masturbatory affair for midwits. only dumb fucks like you who never got mgs in the first place thought 4 was "cool" "because it had that stupid over the top raiden fighting robots scene, black dude with a monkey and sexy boss fight". peace walker on the other hand is pure soul, it was kojima going back to the basics of mgs, it was his passion project and it shows in every possible way, especially in writing. there's more meaning and creators love poured into this 5 min tape from pw than in whole mgs4 shitfest.
>all boss bottles were mechs, no a single human boss battles. extremely forgettable
>shitty fulton trash system along with motherbase no one gives a fuck about
>cut scenes scribbled comic slideshows
>paz, chico and other random forgettable an annoying nobodies introduced
>no signature ninja as was in every
was this Kojima "going back to the basics of mgs" mate XD what a fucking joke. I'd spit in your face if I saw you.
most of this comes from psp having shitty hardware but as a handheld game which most people play in short bursts it was well designed, especially build your own base part. I wouldn't mind having some memorable human boss battles but also wouldn't call these forgettable. story presentation was awesome, what kinda mouth breeding asshole hates max payne style of presentation? paz and chico were so "forgettable" they soon turned into memes. there were no ninjas in mgs3, both gray fox and raiden ended up as somewhat tragical characters and their stories explored themes of mechanical augmentation. you're fucking retarded.
TPP is the most brutally disappointed I've ever been with a video game, and I will always despise it, but objectively speaking 4 is the worst. Yeah the first two acts are good, but what happens afterwards is fucking torture. No one defends post act 2 MGS4.
1 & 2 are kino of the highest order
the rest are interactive movies written by an autistic nihonjin
>there are people who unironically think that piss walker is better than 4 or 5
PW easily, I'll never understand the love for it.
>V and 4 are higher than PW
The fuck? V at least has extremely fun gameplay along with 4 (when you're not watching it)
Peace Walker is just straight up filler trash
The total lack of good writing after 3 says a lot. 4 is the only one with both bad gameplay (barely any gameplay) and a bad plot so it's obviously worst.
2 > 3 > 1 > GZ > TPP=PW > 4
Excluding Peace Walker (because it would be unfair to compare it to the other mainline games), it's difficult to pick the worst MGS game, although the choice obviously comes down to MGS4 and 5. Both are very different.
>MGS3 less than 1 and 2
mgs3 used to win "best game ever" polls on Ganker before r**dit was even FOUNDED, newfag.
this thread is worthless. might as well have a poll for the biggest retard in the special olympics.
Ground Zeroes obviously. Come on.
Base building and catching army pokeymans was always gay shit that didn't belong in Metal Gear.