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>neonate, you have to go raid a warehouse full of sabbat, and then sneak onto a ship, sneak into a museum, find the nosferatu in the sewers full of monsters and also raid the giovanni haven
What was his problem?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    he had high hopes for you

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    bad writing, lacroix's court was just him and his african boyfriend

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I really like to think he was obsessed with his Sheriff vampire big black wiener.

      Americans...

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        LaCroix is french, anon. The amerimutts have a point.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The French invented Blackphilia.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I really like to think he was obsessed with his Sheriff vampire big black wiener.

      [...]
      Americans...

      All me and the voice in my head, by the way.
      I am no longer here.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Kyle go home your parents miss you

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Jack spelled it out for you. He wanted you dead, but your "suicide" missions (generally) furthered his own goals, and if you somehow prevailed he'd spin it as a Camarilla success story.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    answer neonate

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I really like to think he was obsessed with his Sheriff vampire big black wiener.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Mutt's law

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I mean he's an evil vampire from a clan called The Unconquerables whose entire shtick is that they're immortal narcissists obsessed with power and control. I'm not sure why you would even feel the need to question it every single move the guy makes in the entire game makes perfect 1:1 sense in the moment, he's not even subtle or clever about it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Ventrue are usually smarter about it though, they know there's no reason to antagonize your overpowered golden goose. They also generally have allies or at least childer in positions of power to support them. Admittedly, his plans may have succeeded if the Neonate wasn't a freak of nature, but he also wouldn't have gotten his sarcophagus.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    He wants you to die every mission he sends you on he hopes will kill you and if it doesnt might as well benefit himself, your continued unlife is an affront to his dignitas, since you only lived by nines standing up for you.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Every mission
      the ship and museum missions really weren't dangerous at all and both were actually kind of sensitive, not something I'd entrust to someone I wanted dead
      Lacroix was probably genuinely impressed by how you handled yourself in Santa Monica despite his initial plans

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The ship was full of armed cops.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          So what? You're a vampire. They're humans. If you can deal with a gang of Sabbat, a few cops are a joke

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You're a neonate who has been a vampire for at most 1-2 weeks at that point. Guns will kill you, especially since it's not guaranteed you have fortitude or other disciplines like that.
            >If you can deal with a gang of Sabbat
            The warehouse was full of humans that wanted to join the sabbat and that was considered a suicide mission for the MC.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Guns do bludgeoning damage to vampires, even neonates

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You can die from bludgeoning damage.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You literally can't die from bashing damage in WoD, only be knocked out. Vampires can also soak it with their full pool of stamina and then halve the damage after soaking it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You can die from it in the game, which is why you can use blunt weapons to kill vampires and why you can also die from being shot.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That's just for game purposes. Lore-wise a few cops with handguns are not a big threat to a vampire, even a weak one.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Tabletop rules are also for game purposes and also make no sense logically.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Except that it says specifically in the books that vampires are strongly resistant to firearms due to their dead flesh and healing factor, and there are many canon examples of vampires being shot multiple times and being fine. That's not simply for game purposes, it's part of the lore of what a vampire is.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yes and that makes no sense. You can paralyze a vampire if you stab them in the heart, yet they're immune to being shot in the heart?
                You can kill a vampire with decapitation, yet exploding their brains with a sledgehammer is just bashing damage so they just walk it off?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Vampires are only paralyzed by a wooden stake to the heart. Head injuries have specific rules where it can become aggravated damage, so technically a vampire could die from being shot or struck enough times in the head, although it would probably take several shots or very powerful swings with a hammer.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Where does it specify the stake has to be made of wood? A metal spike through the heart doesn't do damage to a vampire?
                Anyway, my point is a neonate can die from being shot and I'm right.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Where does it specify the stake has to be made of wood? A metal spike through the heart doesn't do damage to a vampire?
                In every VtM rulebook mention of staking it says the stake must be wood to paralyze the vampire. A metal spike would do lethal damage from the stab wound, but wouldn't paralyze or kill the vampire.
                >Anyway, my point is a neonate can die from being shot and I'm right.
                Technically true, but it would be very unlikely that a few cops with handguns could take down a neonate who has the element of surprise. The original point is that the mission is not extremely dangerous.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Then surely bullets through the heart should do lethal damage as well, no?
                > but it would be very unlikely
                How is it unlikely for 20 cops to kill a neonate?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Then surely bullets through the heart should do lethal damage as well, no?
                No, it does lethal damage because it's a melee weapon, not because it hit an organ. Vampires don't need any of their organs, the stake through the heart thing is a supernatural curse. Swords and knives do lethal damage.
                >How is it unlikely for 20 cops to kill a neonate?
                If 20 cops were all lined up waiting with their weapons drawn ready to kill a vampire, sure it would be likely. In the mission they are just patrolling a ship at night. In order to kill a neonate, they would have to notice them, instantly draw their weapon, and shoot them multiple times in the head before the neonate had time to make eye contact and dominate them, or use any other number of disciplines to take them out.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds to me like all of this is just made to balance the tabletop combat. It makes no sense whatsoever otherwise.
                > they would have to notice them, instantly draw their weapon, and shoot them multiple times in the head
                This also applies to the warehouse so why is it a suicide mission?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Sounds to me like all of this is just made to balance the tabletop combat. It makes no sense whatsoever otherwise.
                To some extent it is, but the basic idea is that a Vampire can absorb a lot of physical force due to being a corpse, but being cut up with a sharp object will cause deeper wounds that are harder to heal.
                >This also applies to the warehouse so why is it a suicide mission?
                Because the warehouse was owned by the Sabbat, so it's likely the people there would be ghouls and possibly other vampires, and they would be more prepared to mag dump into anyone they didn't recognize.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I'm gonna give up on this conversation because it literally makes 0 sense to me.
                >can absorb a lot of physical force due to being a corpse
                Like this sentence is completely nonsensical to me. You're a corpse so someone shattering your bones is better than cutting your bones? I guess lol.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >being a vampire? A-OK for me!
                >being a corpse that moves, walks, talks, shoots and drinks blood? Lets fricking go
                >but being resistant to gunshots or bludgeons when you don't need anything in your body working? Cringe

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                If you don't need anything in your body working then how is stabbing someone lethal?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Rips away parts of your stasis kept cursed body apart a lot more than a bludgeon. A good knife slicing up pieces of you or a machete trying to lop off limbs disrupts the consistency of the animated corpse more than you punching it or bludgeoning it. Corpses are surprisingly study in that regard, pulverizing something requires a shocking level of force administered, even tenderizing meats needs strong hammers consistently beating the frick out of already sliced pieces, but a knife slices and dices a human and a corpse much better and inflicts more damage.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I specifically said stabbing, not slicing off limbs.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                If you don't need anything in your body working then how is stabbing someone lethal?

                This is probably made more confusing by how WoD named damage types. There are three types: bashing, lethal, and aggravated. Bashing is bludgeoning damage that can knock someone unconscious or eventually kill them, Lethal is serious tissue damage and blood loss, and Aggravated is damage caused by supernatural weakness. Lethal damage is not actually lethal to vampires, it just indicates more serious wounds than bashing damage. A vampire can only actually die from Aggravated damage, which comes from fire, sunlight, or head injuries. You can also start to do Aggravated damage if you do all of their health levels in lethal or bashing and then keep attacking while they're in torpor, which is basically destroying their entire physical body.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Do you think a knife going into your body doesn't slice in and out of large chunks? Spears are bladed Anon, they're sharp, meant to shank people, a knife isn't a dagger, its something which usually does piercing and slashing as you either pierce and slice or use it purely to slice off pieces parts and more.

                Do you even know what you are trying to argue with your autism?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, not him but you're a corpse animated by blood and maintained because Caine from Caine and Abel split existence and commited a murder so foul it spawned the Abyss and entropy in settings.

                You are a blood child of Caine. You are a cursed unliving shitwreck of a fricking failure ambulating through existence because that guy got prime magician demon woman pussy with Lilith and refuses to let go and just admit he fricked up when he commited murder so hard he split reality apart. You're supernatural, high generation (which means low power) and exist as a thing which is mostly harmed by magic and fire and sunlight, bullets can't frick you as hard unless they're consecrated or incendiary, and you can only be killed by being beaten to shit, the sun or decapitation. Stakes are basically the one big weakness you have besides an assassin, a very big bomb, solar incense, solar attacks or basically dragonfire rounds.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Not sure what your post has to do with anything I said, anon.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You're magic. You're literally a timestopped corpse that's animated by blood and a curse and a biblical curse descended down from Caine. You don't make sense because you're being sustained by capital G God and his insistence your kind exists. You are basically immune to bullets and take em like lovetaps because you're supernatural dipfrick.

                Yes, a stake paralyzes you but a headshot barely does much because your brain doesn't work, its dead, its pure blood magic that animates you. It doesn't really matter if someone brains you with a sledge if you're older than a decade and tough because your brain isn't needed, you can get 50 BMG'd through the dome and still be animated. It just depends on how strong you are, and how old you are, and your Generation among shit like Fortitude. High power Ventrue just take buckshot like its nothing.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Saying "muh magic" is not a good argument. Things still have to be consistent. If your brain is not needed then decapitation also wouldn't kill you.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Its not an argument, its a reality of the setting. You are magic. Some of the vampires literally do magic. Your disciplines are supernatural, your need for blood is supernatural, you fricking fight shit like animated stone gorillas and people who half transform into furries or go invisible by sucking a fricking hooker by the corner, and not the thai kind.

                If you don't like the answer, that's too bad frickboy, there's no other answer to be given. Your brain doesn't matter, but decap is lethal yes. A stake of wood paralyzes but a gunshot might as well be a funshot for most things. Magic animated corpse stuck in time of death, fueled by blood.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >High power Ventrue just take buckshot like its nothing.

                Can confirm, Fortitude is fun. Played a Ventrue on the tabletop once, got shot by five people with assault rifles at once. It tickled.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You literally can't die from bashing damage in WoD, only be knocked out. Vampires can also soak it with their full pool of stamina and then halve the damage after soaking it.

                you take bashing damage and fill one box of your health until you no longer have any empty health boxes
                if you continue taking bashing damage you go back and start over and turn those same boxes into lethal damage.
                It is difficult to die from bashing damage, but continued bashing damage from a scene (encounter) will eventually lead to your death

                The reason a vampire doesn't die is due to roleplaying purposes. The vamp just got magdumped by a bunch of cops and collapsed. The cops don't know that they're a vampire because WoD (everything is mysterious and unknown). And when they're in the Morgue, they revive and drain the mortician of blood and slink away, healing a little bit.
                Your typical human enemy shouldn't have any idea about the supernatural, and going further by burning the body is just metagaming.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Did you forget that the ship had its entire crew murdered and it looked like whatever was in the sarcophagus did it?
        Also lacroix got the info on the museum from Garry and expected a backstab move, which happened.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This is pretty much how WoD elder vampires operate, go send the neonates in to do everything. No reason to risk your unlife when you can just throw a bunch of pawns at the problem.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    He's a ventrue who exerted political power to get a pawn out of a situation where he would have looked back to be cruel if he didn't aquiesce to the anarchs defending him, playing everyone in the room with an invented speech of pity and giving people a chance while getting disposable and surprisingly competent fodder for his plans.

    This is how you play as a Vampire. Their entire society is a blood pyramid scheme and you have to make moves versus your superiors and your underlings and make every single thing count, gathering allies and doing your shit while pissing off as little people you can't kill.

    If you can't understand that LaCroix is doing the exact same shit every other vamp is doing by exerting political theory, ideology, shilling their own cause and more to also win you over, you're unironically the most easily manipulated pawn in the game, and irl.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    you fledgling, are the problem and the solution to this city.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    im tryna play this ish but game crashes after the intro cutscene fr

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    sir anons who were in the other thread yesterday , if you're using hammer to make maps for this game, disable the bsp directory launch command otherwise youll get a bunch of fake leaks. worth the headache, map making is fun and easy.
    someone should make those planned expansions tim cain talked about on his youtube

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Eat shit and fricking die, cape.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      bend over, anarch bawd

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Frick you, pig!

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Guys the bullets don’t matter. These are American cops. They couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn from 5 feet away.
    They only get an accuracy bonus against Brujah.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i need a brujah anarch gf

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Has she had Skyla and Skrewdriver dude hook up yet?

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >trusting someone with an X in their name
    No.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Guys, I play the tabletop. oWoD was somewhat famous for jank and questionable rules. If you try to dissect it too much it won't make a lot of sense. Vampires are resistant to damage because they don't need organs. They are especially resistant to bullets and punching, but modern firearms can fire hard/rapidly enough to mitigate that resistance.

    More to the actual point, what the Fledgeling went through initially was a win-win for LaCroix. Either they die, or a Sabbat warehouse gets blown up. The Elizabeth Dane was honestly less dangerous than the Sabbat warehouse, and was more of a test to make sure the warehouse wasn't a fluke and if the neonate has enough braincells to handle something more subtle. The Museum was also supposed to be a slam-dunk in lore, though the game somewhat fails at reflecting this because of how janky stealth can be in this game. Where LaCroix's motives get questionable is later on.

    Ideally, the Camarilla works by the young trading service to the elders, in exchange for protection and power. Money, better havens, domain rights, siring rights, political appointments. LaCroix gives you a few of those things, but when the endgame hits he always throws you to the wolves immediately as a political move. though personally I don't think he set the fire at Griffith Park. I think that was either Jack or Ming-Xiao.

    Just my two cents. Normally the stuff you do for LaCroix in the mid-game is something you'd be doing normally for the prince, albeit with a full coterie behind you. I also wouldn't be surprised if a more fleshed out LaCroix route was sacrificed due to rushed development.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The initial draft of VTMB had you doing stuff for the Tremere Justiciar as well as Lacroix, this got shafted and streamlined into just doing some errands for Strauss for the Camarilla ending and making him Prince.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think it's ever established that Strauss becomes prince in that ending.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You didn't cheat, did you?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >max fortitude
      >max armor
      >max ranged and kind of some melee
      >somehow magically cannot outlast the enemy as a full blown tank with top tier guns
      No, she got cheat coded on because if the game was so bullshit as to lmao wreck me easier than ON MY FRICKING TOREADOR when I had max forti, then the game ain't playing fair.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't have to, she bugged out and stopped chasing me. Spent the rest of the fight shooting her from a safe distance

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Only on one playthrough. The rest I just rush her with the flamethrower

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Does the flamethrower and the Aug count as cheating?

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