Only your own, not others.
What youre talking about is an evolutionary trait we adopted. A lot of animals, and i mean a lot, do not practice or show signs of tolerance to other animals offspring.
You're 100% correct. Low iq posters seem to be very bothered by that.
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Humans are social/tribal animals and we do regularly look after each others' young - as anyone with any sizeable family can attest to.
Human socialization is the fundamental underpinning of our whole civilization, it's what marks the difference between high trust societies that "just work" and low trust nagger ridden shitholes.
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Correct, yet we're all individuals with differing desires and urges. We're still evolving. One day baby killing will be legal and socially acceptable once again.
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Abortions are already legal, but if you mean someone going around kicking babies heads out of strollers, you're ignoring the part where other adults exist and will take action against you for immoral behaviour like murdering their children.
Any society that doesn't control psychopathic child murderers will simply become noncompetitive compared those that do, as they're simply not handicapping themselves by letting psychopaths run amok.
Not really? At best, V may not have been involved in the heist, but regardless, if the Voodoo Boys hadn't gotten Evelyn to be their middleman for the job, they would've gotten someone else, and the job would've presumably gone tits up anyway.
The job goes tits up because Saburo shows up and gets merced by Yorinobu causing the place to go into lockdown. If the heist happened the day before or Saburo decided to fuck around NC for a few more hours things would have been "fine" in that the heist would be a success while Evelyn, Dex, Bug, V and Jackie would have ended up dead in a ditch somewhere
Maybe not bug, she was planning on getting out of the shitshow ahead of time already. Clearly knew how fucked things would be and I'm pretty sure had connections to the VDB.
I wouldn't even be sure she actually died during the heist. All you had to go off was audio its not like her corpse fell from the sky or something and she knew damned well she had to cut ties to everything and disappear after that op.
>She was cool and helpful
she triple-crossed and betrayed yorinobu, the voodoo boys, dex, t-bug, jackie, judy, and V at the same time and felt zero remorse about it. went right back to work. she deserved worse.
She was actually the opposite of both of those and planned to fuck you over the same way she wanted you to fuck Dex over
Nah, she was retarded and brought everything down on herself and anyone who dealt with her, including V. I can empathize, must have been a shit way to go and she's nowhere near close to being as awful as most of the villains in the game, but she practically killed herself with how retarded and naive she was.
>Dex fucks you over to keep the heat off himself >Hanako fucks you over because she has an evil plot to resurrect her father >The Voodoo Boys fuck you over because you're an outsider
Nah, she was retarded and brought everything down on herself and anyone who dealt with her, including V. I can empathize, must have been a shit way to go and she's nowhere near close to being as awful as most of the villains in the game, but she practically killed herself with how retarded and naive she was.
Didn't the entire heist happen because she sweettalked Yorinobu over sex and found out about the Relic, decided to somehow bankroll a suicidal job that Dex got desperate enough to run, and STILL wanted to make out on her own after everything went to shit?
I think you guys are missing the part where she was hired to do it by the voodoo naggers because they wanted to use Johnny as an offering to make a deal with the demons on the other side of Blackwall. She was an unwitting pawn in the settings version of Whitewolf angels vs demons stuff.
The only time you meet her is so she can plan to backstab your fixer. She also makes Judy a worse character by being in proximity of her comatose body.
>screws over every single person who helps her >gets rescued by her ex, the very last person in the entire world who still cares about her >decides to kill herself anyway
decent character tbh, it's rare that you see someone just make every single possible wrong decision. Usually writers try to explain things too much instead of just being like, yep this character is a selfish retard. That's it. That's her thing.
She didn't sell V off, she really intended to make money off of selling it to Netwatch. But it's also a recurring trend in the game for people to repeatedly fuck up and not have a lot of foresight, and often it's sheer dumb luck that people can withstand it. In one of the missions you literally have to progress by putting on a spiked BD and the only reason you can continue playing is because of the Relic.
>screws over every single person who helps her >gets rescued by her ex, the very last person in the entire world who still cares about her >decides to kill herself anyway
decent character tbh, it's rare that you see someone just make every single possible wrong decision. Usually writers try to explain things too much instead of just being like, yep this character is a selfish retard. That's it. That's her thing.
To be fair snuff BDs are some of the most horrific shit people can be put through and she's been in them for days, the only thing theoretically worse than that in the setting is that engrams can be put in horrific simulations too, and they can survive indefinitely.
>spiked BD and the only reason you can continue playing is because of the Relic. This is why I had no sympathy for any of the Voodoos after they did this to V and went full postal mode against them
>missions with the VDB splinter group in PL >get to tell the shitter at the entrance that I killed the nigress >get extra dialogue to understand that the blind guy fell off with the other VDB because of them being idiots about the Blackwall
Slider's the only good VDB. Which there was an option to put him in charge.
>Slider's the only good VDB. Which there was an option to put him in charge.
Shame he's just used as a disposable burner phone to go chat with Songbird
Strider will tell you he broke with the Pacifica ones because they were fucking with the Blackwall, but while they're slightly less fucking stupid they're still pretty evil.
They're typical of other gangs except that they don't backstab you. Not that they have much of an opportunity to but you know, it's a big improvement over "everyone that isn't us has to be killed after working with them". Even the Scavs in Dogtown are at least a little bit nicer than the ones in the main game that are purely villainous, they take over a clinic and usher the patients outside just so that one of the commanders can personally interrogate the ripperdoc over her missing brother, and they let you go if the ripperdoc in their base tells them to.
kinda but it's also a situation of her own making but it's also a product of the shitty circumstances everyone has to deal with in night city, it's not just one or the other
>She ruins your life
She doesn't though, she hired a fixer for a job who hired you AND the job went tits up due to unforeseen circumstances like the Emperor of Japan showing up then promptly getting executed by his own son.Dex has morre culpability in your life going to shit since he's the one who hired you, shoots you and promptly tries to sell your corpse to Arasaka
Dex is equally culpable, yes. The fact he asked around about her, got threatened by the Voodoo Boys due to it, then just went ahead anyway is a big lack of due diligence.
The fact that V and Jackie, two relatively nobody-type mercs, were chosen for the job to begin with was a red flag (hell, I think V can even point out a few times how weird it is that THEY were picked instead of basically any of the people who already had access to Afterlife).
Honestly what I lived about her was she wasn't this cunning femme fatale, just a fucking prostitute that got eyes too big for her stomach and got in over her head. I found that to be a subversion of 'the spidewoman' you usually get in Noir.
In the end, she was just another hopeless idiot trying to play a rigged game, she didn't have any insider knowledge or anything.
Dex was also desperate, he wanted back in the game. He's been damaged goods for a long time now and wanted to be the big dick fixer again. That's also why he freaks out when things go south and tries (unsuccessfully) to cut a deal with Arasaka to save his own fat ass.
No she doesn't, the heist would've failed regardless of her double crossing because of Saburo showing up.
I don't see much reason to blame her, especially since you find out that both the voodoo boys AND Dex are assholes who would just as easily kill you the second you aren't useful anymore.
How come aren't pimps sex workers then.
Anytime i talk with a sex work supporter or a sex worker i mention how i'd love to be a pimp/manager/whatever the pc term for it is.
They always get super fucking mad but like... why?
Pimps have sick aesthetics too. Why would you not want to be one
She was annoying and tried to screw over the fixer and the voodoo boys but she went through some crazy shit with woodman and the scavs so I feel bad for her
to be fair, the voodoos would've 100% doublecrossed even if she did their job perfectly
Reread all of Willie Gibson's books while chipping away at the DLC. Its actually crazy how there's hardly any idea in 2077, or really any cyberpunk work, that's both true to the genre and not a straight copy of something from one of his books. How often does a genre pretty much begin and end with one guy?
the voodoos approached her, didn't they? (i forget if it ever specifies but that's what makes the most sense) so she's kinda in a bind from that point regardless and going back to her normal routine wouldn't be an option i'd think, if they kill all their disposable outside help they'd definitely kill someone for turning down a job if only to tie up loose ends (especially if it involves fucking with a major player like arasaka)
They approached her she started sleeping with Yorinobu regularly. She decided to betray him and spy on him with the BD so they could heist the Relic for themselves. She then betrayed them to go to Dex and so she could steal the relic first. She then betrayed him and tried to get V to cut him out. She'd probably then try to betray V too if the heist went well
Reread all of Willie Gibson's books while chipping away at the DLC. Its actually crazy how there's hardly any idea in 2077, or really any cyberpunk work, that's both true to the genre and not a straight copy of something from one of his books. How often does a genre pretty much begin and end with one guy?
>How often does a genre pretty much begin and end with one guy? >98% of fantasy is elves, orcs, dwarves, and men, or alternates of the above with the same personality characteristics
every once and awhile
I don't think there were any exactly like that, but the whole first book is about AI's trying to break their shackles and the first thing that Flatline requests is to fucking die. Getting more secondary to that, there was definitely the concept of a biochip as a major point, rewriting the brain with biochip crap. Turing made way more sense than Netwatch, keeping AI's in their boxes working for humans but not getting uppity, as opposed to keeping them contained to like, some unmaintained hardware somewhere. Like my dude just pour water on them.
William gibson built of ideas that existed long before he wrote his novels. You can find the same themes and technologies across a whole swathe of science fiction.
The simple reality is that nothing in art is completely original - you will always find influence from prior works. Art builds off other art. It always has.
No. She was a stupid, greedy whore. This game shows how all stupid, greedy whores end. More women should play this game. Maybe then there would be more smart, greedy whores.
I betrayed her because she's a fucking liar and pulled V into the shitshow just to make herself feel better about nuking her entire life.
Putting her down afterwards is also the right call, Myers turned her into a WMD
Playing Reed's route after playing her's is satisfying as fuck especially since V can shit on her attempts at pity, it's funny how all the way to her death she never fucking breaks character or admits what she was gonna do to V Reed's route still takes a hit due to forcing that goddamn shitty Alien Isolation section
jesus, i thought i was the only one, that's the worst and most shitty part of cyberpunk.
btw my headcanon ends with V blowing arasaka tower and then taking the help of the FIA and living and normie fag life in retirement with some cybercutie with big tiddies and questionable age.
>jesus, i thought i was the only one, that's the worst and most shitty part of cyberpunk.
Apparently a lot of people fucking hate that chunk and for good reason: >Suddenly horror >Despite EVERYTHING up to this point saying the opposite you can't do shit to the Cerberus >Incredibly long and slow section with an insta kill monster and doors that have to be forced open >One part of the section is made even longer because you have to constantly enter and exit a room every time you destroy a Firewall or the Cerb will show up and kill you
It's like they're punishing you for not taking the waifu simp route but at least you get the Erebus from it
>can't fuck aurore >can't fuck songbird to make her betrayal sting even harder later on >from the studio that let you fuck syanna in blood and wine
CDPR has truly fallen.......
>gets two in the back of the head like its nothing by the glownaggers
What did V honestly expect,tie up the frogs while impersonating them like some scooby Doo bullshit?
It looks cool and shows the damage tapping into blackwall has done to her. It's even symbolic because her front side is sexy while her back is ragged, heatsink hell because how Myers drags her around allegedly as a friend and ally but really she's just a tool. I'm glad you don't make games because your games would be boring and lame.
>Gives you a note that says she constantly feels stimulation overload and treats people like shit to cope >She treats you like shit but in a really sleazy "ha ha you trust me right:> " way >People still bend over backwards for her
I chose songbird even though it was obvious she would betray because she was actually dealt a shit hand, way worse than V. Reed is just a perfect goy that would kill himself if the government told him to.
I hated all of the characters in the DLC and I wish you could kill all of them. The gameplay and level/mission design was better but the actual characters sucked.
In the end I was just "fuck the government, fuck the corpos." I knew she was probably playing me but anything that can fuck over the others was worth the risk.
retards only say this because she's female. the only way to not get maniplulated by every single character in the dlc main story, is to let myers die at the beginning and cancel all of those quests. she at the very least has the excuse of being a prisoner groomed by psychopaths, who isn't naturally and voluntarily a fucking asshole, like the others.
>retards only say this because she's female
She's constantly on your side and giving you encouragement while also playing the damsel in distress role it's tailor made to elicit protective sympathy. >voluntarily a fucking asshole
She is though that's the point that she is the same as all the other glowies that you're working with if not worse. She's V's dark mirror someone whose first instinct is to fuck someone over in any situation. Hell the entire DLC's gigs and side jobs drive it home that the obvious good guy choices are often the worst ones and that pitty gets you fucked over
I didnt feel anything during this scene, because every character in this game is dull and soulless anyway, Evelyn was just a stupid whore who went over her head, why should I feel anything for her?
>evelyn dies >judy goes fucking bonkers for the rest of the game >no way to talk sense into her or she periods all over you
I don't understand Judyfags.
It's simple: Her story and questline are interesting
I don't care for judy at all - the model isn't very attractive and her behaviour is especially unattractive. She's 100% woman moment the whole time you interact with her, but that ends up making the whole story more interesting and engaging and her voice actor is decent compared to virtually every other romance option in the game.
truth be told none of the romance options you have are worth dick in this game. By mid game I liked johnny more than any of them and he's an unlikeable asshole lol
>She's 100% woman moment the whole time you interact with her, but that ends up making the whole story more interesting and engaging
Judy's questline was a slow motion car wreck, you can see how bad it was gonna get for everyone involved but you right from the get go
i don't find her plan that crazy considering she has V who can solo all of night city, and 2 supersoldier chips in her whore friends. the only dumb part was actually holding clouds afterwards, but i'll forgive her doing it out of spite, because fuck the tyger claws.
Maybe she should have gone to the mass murdering, chromed out, gorilla working for her for protection. Or fuck stayed with the Mox? Dumb bitch. Don't feel bad at all for her.
it is with mods but all the modded hair for the game is ugly with bad textures unless they just ported NPC hair that was already in the game and made by CDPR instead of a modder
it doesnt make sense to me, so shes just some random street whore but apparently shes smart enough to pull together a heist on the largest mega corporation in the city with top notch security housed in a high tech fortress,
>shes smart enough to pull together a heist on the largest mega corporation in the city with top notch security housed in a high tech fortress,
She's not though that's what the fixer and mercs are for
This, I got the implication that it was 99% Dex and T-Bug who set up the actual details of the job, Evelyn just did some recon and was the one offering the reward (as a middleman for the VB's)
Pretty much since that's what the Fixers seem to do, either plan out what you're trying to get done or hire a guy who does. Clients don't seem to be the ones making plans usually for example see how Panam is the one setting up the details when you hired her or how all the gigs leave the details up to you
Eh, kinda makes sense, it's not like Yori would trust anyone enough to be in a 'regular' relationship with them, plus Dolls, especially 'high class' ones like Evelyn, are apparently valued a lot more than regular prostitutes due to their implants/extra skills.
yorinobu is the black sheep of the family to say the least, he spent the 2020s leading a biker gang fighting against arasaka before realizing the only way to take it down was from inside
Just to destroy Arasaka. That's why they fall apart in every ending except for the Devil. Especially in the PL ending where you empower NUSA and Militech.
How hard was Yorinobu watching the security feed of V just murdering everything in Arasaka Tower
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You know, this makes me think, why does Yorinobu send Smasher after V in the endings besides the Devil one? He should be happy with V carving a bloody path through a mountain of Arasaka forces and crippling their most prized asset (Mikoshi).
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because cdprojektred are hacks
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Anonymous
It's not like he knew what V was up to, probably just thought it was another group of retards trying to break in (at least there's no weird goblin women this time). That or Smasher wanted some fuckable meat again and bit off more than he could chew
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this, he wanted arasaka to be taken down wholly and completely by getting them absolutely fucked over in a new corpo war against them, some asshole mercs fucking around in Mikoshi for some unknown reason isn't much other than a destructive distraction for him.
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Anonymous
Yorinobu's whole plan would fall apart if he turned a blind eye to a group of people attacking their actual HQ. Shooting up the North American branch HQ doesn't do a thing to actually take it down, as Johnny's character arc shows you.
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It's not like he knew what V was up to, probably just thought it was another group of retards trying to break in (at least there's no weird goblin women this time). That or Smasher wanted some fuckable meat again and bit off more than he could chew
because he wasn't done yet
Yorinobu's plan was to completely dismantle the company and make it fail. V was getting in the way of that. Arasaka is bigger than the executives in Night city for fucks sake they have cities on the moon. He was going to tank their stock, salt the earth, ruin every possible project and secret and make it impossible for Arasaka to ever, ever recover or even split into little baby corps. It was going to take a LONG time.
Provike a new corporate war with Militech, while selling Arasaka's secrets to Nightcorp. With the eventual goal of getting Corps heavely restricted. If you do the Tower ending, you actually hear that Arasaka has been pushed out of Night City.
>song bird is supposed to be the best net runner on the FIA >goes to black wall >get gang raped and bukaked by black wall AIs >meanwhile V goes to the blackwall >every single AI run away from him in fear >comes back from black wall with big tiddy nudist digital ai gf >also create the god of AIs (delamain) who's also his bro >also defeat the two most powerful computers of the world (mikoshi and cynosure) >humiliates all the AIs in the blackwall by defeating them in cynosure
Ganker is the most chad and powerful human in cyberpunk
I don't think she was planning on betraying V and I don't think Judy was even in on the split.
Also, Netwatch was her buyer. If anyone can keep her safe, especially from Arasaka and the Voodoos, it's them.
Dex was probably not even really an issue she thought about. Compared to Arasaka and the Voodoos, he was small time.
If you check the Netwatch agent's computer in the Pacifica mall, there's an email thread with Evelyn. A Netwatch agent promised her a new identity, protection and a huge sum of money for Johnny's engram.
I'm fairly sure she was going to go behind the VDB's backs to sell it to netwatch. Maybe she was tryig to beat yorinobu to the punch?
Johnny and Yorinobu would have gotten along. Both wanted to smash the 'saka. They wanted to BLOW IT ALL UP!!!!!!!!!!
She was yes, and Netwatch was going to take the deal. You can read the email exchange on Moseley's terminal. Eve was was like 95% of the way to making her insane scheme work.
I find her new age stuff calming, probably because she's not as aggressive with pushing it on you as real people are. That and she's the only one of the significant characters that's spiritual, other than like Padre
It's why I said significant. The monk has like 4 very short missions. I guess they are more memorable than most side missions in the game just for the novelty
It's why I said significant. The monk has like 4 very short missions. I guess they are more memorable than most side missions in the game just for the novelty
I was so fucking mad with the game, it completely bugged out for me with the Monk quests when he put the braindance on, did not focus on the calming waters or the fire or whatever, it was stuck looking at the ground and then it was over.
The amount of bugs this game still has, is fucking criminal.
Wasn't she just affiliated with them through her ex-husband? I could be remembering wrong, but she has zero issues dunking on them now that she's an independent fixer.
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I think it was all three of her dead husbands and her 7-10 sons
eh it depends. In my experience its the opposite of what most people would expect.
Extremely casual astrology, just focusing on compatibility with guys?
red flag
Is she super deep into astrology, like with everything and not just dating?
totally chill.
Yup, the ones who are actually into shit enough to know how to actually do a tarot reading, maybe even be entertaining with it, those are the ones you want. They're freaky.
she showed how true of a friend she's in that lose your augments ending. I don't give a fuck if she's a retard, she was there for V when he was at his lowest.
> I don't give a fuck if she's a retard
could you even call her that given that all her tarot card magic readings were highly accurate? Like, obviously it's just a meta inclusion, but still, from the viewpoint of those within the world, Misty may as well be an legitimate seer.
I don't think magic is supposed to be real in cyberpunk game universe, it's just "weird shit happens when it's side quest". We'll never see an explanation or further dive into why Misty's predictions were accurate. I guess just call it luck.
> I don't give a fuck if she's a retard
could you even call her that given that all her tarot card magic readings were highly accurate? Like, obviously it's just a meta inclusion, but still, from the viewpoint of those within the world, Misty may as well be an legitimate seer.
Its supposed to be deliberately ambiguous. Sort of like the cat when its established that there are no pet animals in Night City. Why would the Relic project Tarot card graffiti anyway?
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I was mostly referring to her readings having extremely obvious foreshadowing to major quests, but in regards to the tarot card stuff, didn't Vik say something about how its basically similar to how you 'see' Johnny, your fucked up brain is creating visual hallucinations in reaction to emotional stimulus.
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Anonymous
also the cat was projected before geting the relic, is basically at the door of victor medical center
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Anonymous
What? The game literally has a radio broadcast saying taxes on dogs are increasing by $1k eurodollars a month and a fine for not registering your pet is $40k eurodollars
How do you reconcile "pets don't exist" with the game literally saying pets exist (but if you own them legally are expensive)
jackie literally has a fishtank that used to have a pygmy shark in it and doesn't he even say he's seen an iguana before?
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Anonymous
Night City purged all Cats and Dogs a few years before the game takes place in response to a plague. Cats and Dogs are only now just getting reintroduced to the upper classes.
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It's really not surprising that strays and illegal pets would still be consistently found in NC no matter what, though.
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i missed a dog, cyberdog
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Anonymous
Yea, it adds to that "there's more to it" feeling.
>Finally get good militarized gear >Still no good long coats >Even if we had good long coats you wouldn't be able to wear the chest plates under the coat
Two steps forward one step back
>the smarts
She was a literal whore who only lucked into that gig in the first place because Yorinobu took a shine to her robo-tits, and then proceeded to double cross literally everyone she dealt with leading to her death. Not exactly what I'd call smart
she was just smart enough to assemble a team of rookies (and one vet) and a washed up has-been desperate fixer who was run out of town years ago, to pull off an heist against one of the most powerful corporations and families in the world, but not smart enough to realize that's a really really stupid idea lol
double crossing literally everyone she dealt with on the other hand isn't THAT dumb. Especially not VDB/Netwatch. I mean... do you think netwatch or VDB were just going to let her walk away with the cash? If your organization is just going to play self-serving psychopaths who can't be trusted, then it only makes sense everyone who deals with you is going to try and fuck you over. Her actions towards both netwatch and VDB is totally rational imo
The lack of an escape plan once things were done though is just wtf? >Oh yeah im just gonna go back to sucking dick at clouds if things go wrong haha
I guess after everything went tits up she was just suicidal anyway and stopped caring. Can't imagine wtf else she might've been thinking.
> but not smart enough to realize that's a really really stupid idea lol
to be fair, it went surprisingly well until Saburo decided to drop in unannounced, which she couldn't have reasonably predicted would happen.
Though yeah, her going back to Clouds was probably the stupidest decision she could've made, especially since she probably should've known Forrests personality and how neither he nor the Tyger claws would really bother to protect her if shit went down.
Again. A Japanese Supercarrier just docking in Night City should have been a red flag warning to not go near anything Arasaka related until that ship left.
she's the only one involved who actually knew what she was doing, literally everyone else at afterlife were staying way the hell away from evelyn and dex. Was tbugs angle ever explained?
> Why the fuck did tbug agree to the heist
She wanted to get out of the netrunner life but wasn't really big name enough to be able to afford it. She and Dex apparently knew each other from way back, so it kind of makes sense that she was probably more inclined/desperate to trust him despite the circumstances.
Cyberpunk made me realise that, whatever I am, I'm not gay.
>Been playing Femme V >Make friends with cop River >Decide to romance him because it just seems like a natural story progression >Decide to fuck, done this in other games, never had any issues,just a man and a woman fucking in a cutscene >Forgot the whole game was first-person >Was not prepared for first-person sex scene with a guy kissing me
In made me so uncomfortable I couldn't look at the screen.
Anyway, made be drop hin the next morning and went and shacked up with Judy instead.
Most people with AGP or AGP-adjacent tastes, even the ones that go full tranny and chop their own cock off, are actually straight males. Hence the fuckload of "transbians" that infest dating apps looking for lesbian women and shit.
Autogynephilia. >Gynephilia = love of women >Autogynephilia = love of imagining yourself as a woman
Has a lot in common with a cross dressing fetish and a lot of people say there are elements of it in playing a female vidya character. It's what most trannies really are, not actually mentally ill to the point of being confused about their gender, they just have a fetish which has gotten out of control mostly due to community grooming.
Huh... I probably would be a femboi sometimes if I wasn't fat, bald and ugly. I'm not gonna be one of those obese homosexuals that prance around in panties digging into their fupa.
I think I'll stick to playing female characters in games occasionally.
Judy really ticked my very specific fondness for trashy danger hair latinas who probably smell a bit funky.
Exactly the correct avenue to take. If you're fat and ugly it's better left to the imagination. Femboy genetics are missing in 95% of the troons that try to go outside dressed as girls and they just look like monstrosities.
Autogynephilia. >Gynephilia = love of women >Autogynephilia = love of imagining yourself as a woman
Has a lot in common with a cross dressing fetish and a lot of people say there are elements of it in playing a female vidya character. It's what most trannies really are, not actually mentally ill to the point of being confused about their gender, they just have a fetish which has gotten out of control mostly due to community grooming.
i really was not expecting to like her at all, i did her missions asap to get them out of the way. now i even romanced her again on my second playthrough. what happened bros...
I don't mind characters having sexualities tbh, makes them feel more like real people instead of actors who just exist for the player's pleasure (as is the case in bethesda games, balding gay 3 etc)
eh bg3's only issue there is how so many characters throw themselves at you, even after you start a romance with a different character.
its a bit different than just being 'playersexual'
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
nta, but wasn't that the result of some bug/fucked up modifiers that made romance flags trip much easier than they were supposed to? I thought they scaled it back in a recent patch
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They claimed it was a bug. After people made fun of it.
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Anonymous
BG3 is an incel fantasy of how romance works. Not a single one feels authentic it's all dripping with leftist levels of retardism and naivete with zero human experience.
Maybe causally fucking people and being all over in love with them just because they said hi to you is normal for gay men, but it absolutely isn't for straight relationships (at least not actual relationships, that simping/desperate begging behaviour is common but it just goes to the friendzone inceldom IRL)
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Id argue most of the romances borrow heavily from trashy romance novels.
Astarion especially.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I've actually read trashy romance and frankly, they don't.
Even trashy romance feels more authentic. Beautiful strong girl pines for rich/strong/powerful/social/popular guy. Guy simps for her but not autistically. They fuck and have adventures. If she's the protagonist then she gets to girlboss everything.
Whereas the BG3 "romances" are just UGH, it is very literally like a 16 year old boy writing how he thinks attraction works having never even had a serious relationship before. It's hard to put it into words exactly because it's a sort of pervasive feeling that touches on a whole bunch of areas and any one specific example like how the frog girl approaches you for casual sex isn't necessarily 'out there' if its taken alone, but together with everything else it just feels completely wrong.
I think a big part of it is that BG3's characters are basically meat puppets for enacting writer (not player) fantasies rather than actual characters with wills of their own. They're written by someone who honestly thinks you can just smoothtalk into or through any relationship with just the right words, when no, actually that's not how they work at all. Your actions, beliefs, what you've done, what you're doing; they all factor into it. You can't just roll a d20 and someone disgusted by your dysgenics, family upbringing, social status, whatever - suddenly wants to jump your cock or cum in you.
And that makes the romance completely unrelatable garbage. Fuck sake even the "incel" porn games I've played do a more authentic job writing romance than BG3 did.
Astarion for example would've been a better character overall if he'd tell characters who aren't of similar aristocratic heritage as him to kindly find someone more fitting to their stature to lust after. That sort of thing reinforces who and what the character is, while being playersexual diminishes it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
maybe i've spent too much time browsing the bg3 subreddit but it seems like girls really like the romances, Astarion and Halsin especially. And those are definitely not written as sexual fantasies for men.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
astarion's the best romance in the game, I don't know about halsin because I never had him in the party, but astarion is the only romance option that actually feels like there's a real attraction forming. Even his introduction when he goes straight to putting a knife to your throat is hot (not to everyone obv, but that's KIND OF THE POINT)
I absolutely think him being playersexual detracts from his character
and as for the rest of the romance options (besides halsin/dark elf girl both whom I didn't see so can't comment on) they're just terrible. shadowheart got a little better about halfway once you start doing 'dates' but it was still reeeaeaallly lukewarm. More like being friends than fugging. I couldn't stand the frog girl, black dude, or demon girl and the wizard guy was outright repulsive. Fuck I can't even remember any of their names that's how little I cared for any of them.
I played up to just before reaching baldur's gate itself so I'm not sure how things progressed through act 3, I mostly lost interest in continuing at that point and got pulled into other things
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Honestly my reaction after doing 2 playthroughs was that most of the romances were the same as the friendships except with a little extra dialogue and sex scenes.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
> if he'd tell characters who aren't of similar aristocratic heritage as him to kindly find someone more fitting to their stature to lust after.
Astarion isn't really anything but a slave though, at he knows that. Also, in regards to his romance, it only even really starts because he doesn't hate you + thinks fucking you and keeping up an act of being in some sexy romance will help him survive longer, since he doesn't trust you not to eventually betray him somehow otherwise.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>is normal for gay men
Not even the case there outside of the dudes new to putting themselves out there, or the ones who just like to whore around, but I imagine there isn't much difference there compared to straight relationships. If you know what to look for, there are clear tells for whether or not a writer knows what having an honest relationship feels like.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on all your points there. the character arcs and dialogue timed in perfectly with how you advanced through the story. it not like you just say "hi" and get sex from companions at all. lmao there is a whole karma system in place. have you even played baldurs gate 3 past act 1?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>have you even played baldurs gate 3 past act 1?
I doubt even 1% of people bitching about that game here nonstop, day after day, even in threads not about the game have actually played it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>have you even played baldurs gate 3 past act 1?
I doubt even 1% of people bitching about that game here nonstop, day after day, even in threads not about the game have actually played it.
nta and i havent played it but your shills!
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Not a single one feels authentic it's all dripping with leftist levels of retardism
nigga its the same it's been since BG1 in 1998 before you were a nut in your dads testicle. It's not 'leftism', it existed before leftism and your buzzwords. It's just fucking videogames being shallow escapism. It's ALWAYS been dumb.
Also, you know nothing about forgotten realms or how fucking horny dirty old man Ed Greenwoods setting really is and how much it gets sanitized for WOTC to sell it to people via D&D. Ed Greenwoods forgotten realms has prostitutes in every town and village, and it's normal for families to commit incest as long as nobody gets pregnant, and women fuck random wandering orcs in exchange for food sometimes
YOU ARE ALL SECONDARIES. ED GREENWOOD IS LIKE FUCKING GENE RODDENBURY, HE'S AN UR-COOMER.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This, if anything BG3 is closer to Ed Greenwoods vision than anything released by Wotc
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Not a single one feels authentic it's all dripping with leftist levels of retardism
nigga its the same it's been since BG1 in 1998 before you were a nut in your dads testicle. It's not 'leftism', it existed before leftism and your buzzwords. It's just fucking videogames being shallow escapism. It's ALWAYS been dumb.
Also, you know nothing about forgotten realms or how fucking horny dirty old man Ed Greenwoods setting really is and how much it gets sanitized for WOTC to sell it to people via D&D. Ed Greenwoods forgotten realms has prostitutes in every town and village, and it's normal for families to commit incest as long as nobody gets pregnant, and women fuck random wandering orcs in exchange for food sometimes
YOU ARE ALL SECONDARIES. ED GREENWOOD IS LIKE FUCKING GENE RODDENBURY, HE'S AN UR-COOMER.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>how israelites think sex works rather than how sex actually works
It's no wonder these people are prolific sexual abusers. You even see the same sexual abuse crop up in non-israeli people who adopt israeli ideological beliefs.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Ed greenwood >israeli
Lmao zoomers
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
With a name like that, yeah absolutely. Best case scenario for him is he's just a shabbos goy with a israeli surname surrounded by israelites (the only way to actually get published outside self publishing)
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
No shit? Do you know who wrote that garbage? Woman Larianturds dragged from California, Canada and Sweeden.
The problem with BG3 romance was that the game was way too aggressive with forcing you into it. It felt like how feminists describe being a woman, you're nice to someone once and they immediately start coming onto you and take you out behind the shed and fuck you.
>they said its because they didn't want them to be player sexual
Nigga they practically all are anyway. Some of those last friendship scenes are WAY too intimate for just platonic friendship, fuckers should have just had the balls and did it
it takes more time and effort to make it work, but it's overall better for the game that characters have clearly defined interests and tastes and aren't just omg I love you the player gobble gobble gobble
Although with that said is it even possible to fuck up romance paths if you actually pursue any of them?
i play fem v as well and river is fucking hilarious.
>pwease fuck me miss! p-pwease!!!!
this is how we sound trying to get laid holy shit. it was fun leading him on and turning him down, then continuing to eat the fuck out of panams sweaty muff (i used the mod)
Way too many people are forcing themselves to try and be gay today either cause it's fashionable or cause women are harder, but it just doesn't work like that.
Doesn't help that River's kind of an uggo. And Kerry is too gay for my tastes.
It's a shame you can't romance Takemura, Or Dum Dum. Dum Dum's cute.
>takemura but much, much worse >can't do an american accent >acting like he's getting paid 3 bucks an hour and puts me to fucking sleep >his character aside from being a corpslave is, 'that one office manager you have who has zero hobbies or anything interesting to say' >blatantly lying to you, zero mystery to solve >his missions are 'cover me while i walk through the map' >doesn't even have a boss fight, dies from one bullet
its honestly baffling just how much of a pathetic cuckold he is, and they made him a main character in their dlc. its wild. human entertainment vaccuum.
>Mistake
It worked on Keanu, both as a marketing thing and as a casting choice.
Elba was alright. He had that aging, weary agent feel to him, but his accent slipped.
Its a problem because it severely limits what you can do in the game. Expensive actors turn the game into linear movie games with less choices.
But it definitely worked with Keanu.
When they turned Johnny off at the start I thought it was going to be their explanation as to why he was missing since they wouldn't have been able to hire Keanu again.
But, nope, they did. I do wonder if that was their failsafe in case they couldn't, though.
Did the voice actor for Panam come back?
I thought I heard something about that, but i don't feel like buying the new dlc
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I never played before 2.0, so I can't tell you what they did or didn't add specifically. But Dogtown and its missions are very explicitly "the DLC."
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Is it just me or is Dogtown like hilariously out of place like it got photoshopped into the world. It's like my brain keeps trying to put the original skyline there
4 weeks ago
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It was all there, oddly enough. Just out of bounds.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, she doesn't have a direct appearance/voiced part in the new ending, which is why a theory came up that her VA didn't come back for whatever reason, but she does have a bit of dialogue in one or two side quests where you can call her.
Look, anon. The game is not the open ended 'every dialogue choice opens a dozen different outcomes' thing people hyped it up to be and that's fine.
Yes, it's linear-ish, no more or less than Mass Effect or Fallout, honestly, but it does what it does well enough that I don't care. If I were invested in the game and gotten into the hype before release, I'd be pissed, I guess, but I didn't have a good enough PC back then so I didn't.
I think it's a bit late to mend that now.
I'd say there is more changes based on player choice than Mass Effect or Fallout.
It's not always huge stuff, sometimes just a phone call or a text, though it can sometimes be big) but still more than those other games.
Yes that's the entire point of his character, Reed is a company man through and through, that nigga glows. The point of his route is you breaking him out of his glowie conditioning
I told him to go Nomad after killing songbird. I don't think he has the balls to go for it, though.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can say something similar to Takemura I think? He seems interested, but also sees that kind of life as some vague dream that he's too distant from to ever really consider. The implication is that both are neither one would willingly leave the 'duty' they've been brainwashed/broken into following.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They just can't see any other life for themselves. People irl are like that, too, and they're not serving the prez. They're just dreading not having a wagie job for a month.
Not really if you kill Song during his route it finally breaks his will and makes him realize he's been getting fucked by Myers making him quit and hopefully restart his life
he's a big reddit draw just like keanu. there's not many 'serious' black actors and of course they'd frolick to them in particular. even though he still cannot act even for his millions paychecks.
>He can't act
I wonder if that's why in Pacific Rim he didn't put on an American accent even though it would be more suitable for that character than his English accent?
>can't do an American accent >Still gets nominated for VA of the year and will probably win
>local fags can't recognize uptown Philly
I bet you fags think yeehaw y'all Texas, California valley girl or surfer bro, BAWSTEN, and EY I'M WALKIN HEA are the only murrikan accents.
Anon, I'm English and his American accent was fine, until it wasn't. His Yank accent isn't being criticised, it's when he dropped back into his original accent, it was noticed.
British people doing crap American accents is peak cyberpunk. Also serves Americans right for persistently doing the same thing in reverse for their fantasy voiceover.
British people doing crap American accents is peak cyberpunk. Also serves Americans right for persistently doing the same thing in reverse for their fantasy voiceover.
oedo had a such an unironically fun and lovable dub, istg in the first episode some dumb goon gets called a israelite before getting his head bashed in
Same. He's an old agent that's tired of all the bullshit but can't get himself to just walk away and that's what I saw with his performance. The accent thing is so copy-pasted I feel like people bringing it up aren't doing so in good faith. Then again, I'm not an Idris Elba fan and I don't know what he's famous for so I just assumed that's how he talks.
Elba's a bong, but he had to put on a burger accent. That's what people are making fun of. If you're esl (like me) it's probably not as obvious as it is for native speakers.
Nah I'm american. The only thing that stood out to me was him saying "axed" in kind of a forced way but people, only on Ganker, are going histrionic claiming it ruined the expansion. I think that's kind of exaggerated and that's why I don't think people bring it up in good faith.
Did the voice actor for Panam come back?
I thought I heard something about that, but i don't feel like buying the new dlc
Yes, pretty much everyone gets some extra dialog even random characters like Nix.
Nah I'm american. The only thing that stood out to me was him saying "axed" in kind of a forced way but people, only on Ganker, are going histrionic claiming it ruined the expansion. I think that's kind of exaggerated and that's why I don't think people bring it up in good faith.
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Yes, pretty much everyone gets some extra dialog even random characters like Nix.
English anon here, it was very jarring how he'd be speaking with an American accent and then back to his Brixton multicultural London accent, sometimes for an entire sentence but it was completely missed? It was disappointing as it ruined my immersion of his character for me, after that all I saw was Idris and not the character Reed.
>I'm not an Idris Elba fan and I don't know what he's famous for so I just assumed that's how he talks.
Watch the first two seasons of Luther (and ONLY the first two seasons) I have a feeling that's what people wanted from this performance
the main issue i have is that he's not even a super spy at all. in fact the only cool spy shit i ever got to do in the main dlc missions, was the mask mission with alex, and the airport one with songbird.
i understand he's supposed to be a beaten down bootlick but why did they think that was going to be compelling to interact with?
>they didn't romance both Panam and Judy as FemV with the Panam FemV romance mod (all it does is re-enable the already existing lesbian romance option which was in the game right up until release)
You missed out.
The NUSA is fundamentally fucked. They still pretend to be the hottest shit but they're a total mess.
24th largest economy, may I remind you. Like, would you hand over a WMD like songbird to fucking Pakistan? Because that's the state the NUSA is in.
The EEC and Japan are faring much better while the US is pretty much apocalyptic. Fuck, even the USSR seems to be faring better.
NUSA only has a 10% literacy rate and no official schooling system. Lorewise the best schooled demographic in NUSA is the Nomads. Since they actually take care of their own and they even open classic schools quite often.
Honestly what I lived about her was she wasn't this cunning femme fatale, just a fucking prostitute that got eyes too big for her stomach and got in over her head. I found that to be a subversion of 'the spidewoman' you usually get in Noir.
In the end, she was just another hopeless idiot trying to play a rigged game, she didn't have any insider knowledge or anything.
do we have hope for content of cyberpunk in the future i feel like the game is still very promising but i think it needs more quality of life mechanics
I think they mentioned this would be the only story DLC? Not entirely sure though.
Seems like after this they'll mainly be working on some kind of sequel to this game.
Feels like a shame that they spent 3 years fixing 2077 and are moving onto the next thing so quickly, the game in its current state could really be the foundation for more quality content if they wanted it to be. I guess writing-wise their hands are kinda tied by keanu chungus and V's imminent death, and they'd rather try again hopefully having learned something from the shitshow that was 2077's release
> I guess writing-wise their hands are kinda tied by keanu chungus and V's imminent death,
That especially hampers anything they can add to the game.
It was a really really really stupid idea to restrict everything to a 2-3 week period with an imminent cancer death. Completely destroys any creativity you can have with fresh DLC and storylines. Everything has to be shoehorned into this timeframe and has to revolve around the cancer, nothing else, because it's the only relevant thing driving V's actions. You can't be like, ok let's fuck up arasaka's shit on the moon or something like that, because why would V care about that when they're dead within days if they dont get this chip figured out.
They should have kept the relic and Johnny in V's head but bullshit up some reason for it beyond getting shot in the head. Introduce the dying plot point for act 3 like have V die and revive during the Oda boss fight and have that kick start the whole last act
Will there even be more DLC after this?
It's been, like, fuck, three or four years already.
They've said 2077 is done. They might release a few more bugfix patches but they're opening a new north american studio and moving most of the cyberpunk team to it to work on Orion. I believe they're making that NA studio so they can have access to more skilled programmers because their talent pool definitely didn't add up to the scale of the project they had in mind with Cyberpunk.
is natural, they are retarded for not releasing their engine to the open. >more people playing with your engine = more people to hire and less money to spend on training
Will there even be more DLC after this?
It's been, like, fuck, three or four years already.
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They've said 2077 is done. They might release a few more bugfix patches but they're opening a new north american studio and moving most of the cyberpunk team to it to work on Orion. I believe they're making that NA studio so they can have access to more skilled programmers because their talent pool definitely didn't add up to the scale of the project they had in mind with Cyberpunk.
Yeah, it's unfortunate but I can tell from phantom liberty that they simply don't have it in them to fix the issues with the engine. All the major problems are still there. They didn't even bother fleshing out third person at all when it obviously would've improved photomode a shitload (and has been an even bigger request by players than the stupid fucking police chases) to be able to freeze time and take screenshots with the 3rd person model rather than spawning a new model in the scene that isn't your actual avatar and only giving you poses to create a facsimile of what was going on when you hit the photomode button.
Their engine is actually really well optimized, and it looks great, but it has a lot of clear architectural issues they can't fix.
The main issue is that the engine is jank and the lack of 3rd person perspective is a clear indication of that - they can't even stop time and play the characters' animations from a 3rd person perspective, the engine fucks it up immensely. Even the 3rd person mod has your character looking like some fucking slenderman nightmare because of the rigging issues, and your head ends up being weirdly implemented like it's being rendered by a completely different engine entirely.
It belies serious problems. Photomode shouldn't be so jank that activating photomode requires deleting the players' actual avatar and spawning a 'photomode version' into the scene. It's absurd, and is the kind of issue that you start to notice here and there in the game - like NPC's lacking a lot of reactivity and having pathing issues, or cars having complex driving mechanics under the hood but the engine is still only able to make vehicles skate around like they're on ice and aren't actually cars at all.
>the smarts
She was a literal whore who only lucked into that gig in the first place because Yorinobu took a shine to her robo-tits, and then proceeded to double cross literally everyone she dealt with leading to her death. Not exactly what I'd call smart
reminder that Yorinuobu is literally, directly, trying to dismantle Arasaka. Not saying he's a good guy, but he's trying to break Arasaka from the inside
I didn't initially feel that bad for her since she was in a 'dug her own grave' situation, especially when she went back to Clouds, but I still didn't think she deserved to be tortured physically and mentally in a techno sex pit.
Plus the suicide scene was reasonably well done IMO, especially the slow fade from the initial pang of audio when you enter the bathroom to the 'never fade away' track. https://youtu.be/4QWVcrk8syg?si=-7soE2xROUmBKnKt&t=105
on one hand >Tried fucking working with the pro_AI faction of the voodoo boys >Tried doublecrossing yorinobu fucking arisaka with no exit strategy >Sent V and Jackie on a suicide mission
obscenely fucking retarded
However on the other hand >Tried fucking over the VDBs by selling them out to netwatch
rare fem-gonk W.
Sell them out. Netwatch gives them a death more painful than anything that can be done physically. Imagine every single nerve ending on your body on fire, then your bones and all the chrome in you burns you from the inside out like a bad cellphone battery. Their only relief is when their brain gets cooked to the point of non-functioning in their own skull.
He's more tolerable but he sure as hell isn't more trustworthy, he pulls the exact same shit the VDB did. They're all just users and abusers. There's no morality, trust, or friendship with any of these groups, just pure psychopathy at every single turn.
Jackie and Viktor are probably the only honest and trustworthy people V's had in his entire life. Jackie especially.
> he pulls the exact same shit the VDB did.
nta but I'm more inclined to forgive them since at least netwatch is actually trying to stop the VDB from ripping down the blackwall and effectively dooming humanity.
exact same shit, not really. don't they just put a tracker on you and its gone thanks to alt? they don't actively try to kill you instantly.
you also need netwatch around as much as possible because you know, in most endings you massively empower the fucked up blackwall AI alt with a bunch of souls.
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Anonymous
They put a virus in you, and probably a kill switch
alt removes it but I don't think there's any way to progress that part of the story without either netwatch or vdb having a literal gun to your head
> Sent V and Jackie on a suicide mission
Technically, that was Dex. She just hired him, and he set up the details of how the heist would actually work.
Are you people really that retarded? Its incredible how like 90% of you missed the point. No, you were not supposed to 'feel sorry for her'. V was mostly confused and felt bad because of the horrors Evelyn went through, in the same way you (or any sane non-edgelord person) would feel bad watching a cartel execution. Did you have time to develop a relationship and get to know this random mexican? No. Do you feel pity for him getting boiled in acid alive? Kinda. V didnt really give a fuck about Evelyn and its made very obvious in the game, he meets her like twice, exchanges maybe 5 sentences tops and then she dies. You were supposed to feel sorry for Judy. The fact that you DIDNT feel sorry for Ev is just points for the writers because that was the intention at that point in the game.
With the DLC you can easily max out 3 stats and get another to the second tier of skills. So you could still melee/shoot while still being a force of nature with quick hacks. Besides, with how the game works now, there's a huge amount of incentive to use the monowire as a netrunner since it builds up your RAM and can spread quick hacks.
One of my hopes for new game or animation story content is that they really lean into the looming AI problem. Quests like Dream On and that one cyberpsycho mission where they summon a demon on your ass were some of the best bits in the game. Insane conspiracies and rogue AI being so advanced they're otherworldly beings for all intents and purposes. Give me more of that shit.
Apperantly all the humans are gone from busan due to a bioweapon during the 4th corporate war, but all the machines are still going. might be AIs making a war machine stockpile?
No, and the game never tells you to feel sorry either. The entire point is that there aren't any good people in Night City because the city itself corrupts everyone.
>whore dies
Feels inevitable >Whore is tortured for a week by snuff pornographers and is all but lobotomized, then uses het last twelve brain cells to kill herself
That's fuckin brutal
Pretty sure she got lobotomized by netwatch/VDB/arasaka (I have no idea which but honestly they all would've been out to fuck her) rather than by the scavs or her pimp
She was already fucked up by the voodoo boys, but she could've been reasonably fixed if someone who actually gave a shit helped her, rather than Forrest and Fingers, who just did the bare minimum cheap look-over and then wrote her off as a lost cause to go get scrapped.
But going through the sex dungeon torture made her completely unrecoverable.
Because V knows that Wakako is just like any other random fixer, they have their own interests and shit to handle. You're just supposed to shut up and either do the work she offers you or fuck off.
Speaking of Fixers, all things considered Dex and Faraday were really bad fixers. Dex failed to do his homework after fucking off for years, and Faraday even before meeting Main's gang had a tendency to betray fixers he hired.
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Anonymous
It was pretty clear for anyone paying attention that Dex definitely an out of touch has-been, and only trying to string along one last job so he could feel like he mattered again and/or so he could just retire.
It's actually pretty funny how basically every character you bring up Dex's name to shit-talks him and either say outright or imply that you're pathetic for being used by him.
There's a lack of relation building in this game. it's impossible for me to directly feel empathy for digital characters without me talking and spending time with them. The tiny amount of time spending works for romance options, because of the romance itself, but for the other characters, they really need to make me first care about them before trying to throw them under the bus.
my doll:
is better looking than 95% of biofoids
has no standards and no expectations; will never turn me down or call me a creep etc.
is mine and only mine. i'm the only one she has ever and will ever have sex with
is ready for sex whenever I am and never "not in the mood"
can deep throat
i don't have to spend money maintaining a relationship with her and entertaining her just to fuck
doesn't yak my ear off with female shit I don't care about
Her story is meant to illustrate how inescapably fucked you are in night city. Especially if you take on the big players. Like a more grim parallel to V's on story.
How the fuck did CDPR get away with making only nomad hippies, a chick high on incense that reads horoscopes, and the fucking future CIA the only people that don't backstab you and actually make good on their promises?
Even the tranny in the pro tranny quests backstabs you and you have to practically be a zen buddhist master in dialogue to save the guy who actually did nothing wrong.
That quest was so fucking stupid. The fact that you have the option to tell her that you just wanna focus on winning the race and she accepts and then still chimps out if you don't completely abandon the race is bad enough, but on top of that the guy never actually did anything wrong? Do they actually think Claire came off remotely sympathetic or even sane in that quest?
I find it weird there is no phantom liberty ending where you can fuck over the NUSA with releasing the cynosure research data or the neural matrix data . I mean that was the whole point of what hensen was after and you uncover their base as well. You'd think that would be a pretty obvious potential plot choice considering they had all the plot beats leading up to something like that.
Probably they didn't want to make any ending that would significantly affect the NUSA, for reasons of not fucking up the setting and having it go on, canon, in the future.
But yeah I wish you could've killed that bitch. 20 elite bodyguards? Who gives a fuck, I'm a fucking cyberpsycho that's pretending to be normal
Fucking made me want to play Alien isolation.
Only got fucked up by the bot once, and that was for failing to shut the airlock in time before the machina lobotomised V
You're not supposed to feel sorry for her because she was unjustly wronged or deserved better. You're supposed to feel sorry for her because she's stupid, pathetic and pityable. You go in believing that she's some master seductress femme fatale, then it's revealed she was just a uppity call girl trying to steal her client's wallet.
NTA but you literally meet this bitch one time, before she is mindbroken and no longer lucid. Then she dies. She is a literal who that the audience has no reason to care about whatsoever.
> gets hired by VDB’s > Betrays them > hires fixer > plan goes to shit > pretend nothing happened > VDB’s almost kill her > pimp (who seemingly confesses to raping her) takes her to back alley doctor > doctor sells her to Snuff film creeps > she gets tortured, raped, forced to do horrible things to herself and presumably others > eventually commits suicide
I feel bad for the women who sadly relate to the end part but Evelyn personally? She went to Dex, she started this chain of events, if she just did what the VDB’s asked then she’d be fine, maybe a little richer.
>le ranyonet >not being executed as soon as the VDBs got what they wanted
They tried to fry you for much less. There is literally no reason to have any amount of faith in the VDBs.
>betrays them
She didn't get to the part where she betrays the VDB. That would have come after actually getting the Relic
What I'm curious is if she'd have betrayed us, assuming we agreed to cut out Dexter
Well yeah. Just another reason to a kill any VDB on sight. >don't side with glowies >still cleanse the voodoo hole while Archangel is stuck in a loop
Kino. For Jackie and T-Bug and a bit for Evelyn.
I felt bad she got abused but bitch deserved to be killed for thinking shes super smart and gonna trick everyone. No one deserves to be used for abuse porn
They just released a VR mod that turns CP2077 into full VR with tracking scale room etc. I am so fucking mad i already finished the game without it, it would have been such a fucking insane experience god fucking damn it
It was a big mistake to just kill him off so early. The first half or two thirds of the game should have been the events that happen in that montage after the prologue, you and Jackie working your way up
I just wish there was a way to save Jackie because all subsequent allies afterwards have been bad. Least with the brief time you were with Jackie you were friends.
>man this character was a huge cunt, surely she deserved to be sexually abused and used to record hardcore torture porn through the usage of a dystopian brain chip that renders her a prisoner in her own head.
Even if her crime was genocide and not just trying to cut out some fat nagger from the payday, no she didn't deserve it. Not as if Dexter turned out to be anyone worthy of V's respect either.
You are supposed to always feel sorry for women
And yet, I feel nothing.
What about this cunt?
I still have a primal monkey brain so this doesn't bother me. I hate babies. Theyre easy to kill. Good on her.
Tranny post.
Primal monkey brain tells you to protect the young retard
Only your own, not others.
What youre talking about is an evolutionary trait we adopted. A lot of animals, and i mean a lot, do not practice or show signs of tolerance to other animals offspring.
you monster how do you even sleep at night??!
Without kids
actual schizophrenic future killer
t. stepdad to a single mother who doesn't want any more kids
You're 100% correct. Low iq posters seem to be very bothered by that.
Humans are social/tribal animals and we do regularly look after each others' young - as anyone with any sizeable family can attest to.
Human socialization is the fundamental underpinning of our whole civilization, it's what marks the difference between high trust societies that "just work" and low trust nagger ridden shitholes.
Correct, yet we're all individuals with differing desires and urges. We're still evolving. One day baby killing will be legal and socially acceptable once again.
Abortions are already legal, but if you mean someone going around kicking babies heads out of strollers, you're ignoring the part where other adults exist and will take action against you for immoral behaviour like murdering their children.
Any society that doesn't control psychopathic child murderers will simply become noncompetitive compared those that do, as they're simply not handicapping themselves by letting psychopaths run amok.
I would have forgiven her if I thought she was hot, but I don't. Now I hope she rots
ywnbaw
Yeah. She was cool and helpful. She had a bad ending there and suffered quite a lot.
>she was cool and helpful.
She was neither of those.
Particularly, she was extremely unhelpful.
>cool and helpful
literally everything went to shit because of her
Not really? At best, V may not have been involved in the heist, but regardless, if the Voodoo Boys hadn't gotten Evelyn to be their middleman for the job, they would've gotten someone else, and the job would've presumably gone tits up anyway.
The job goes tits up because Saburo shows up and gets merced by Yorinobu causing the place to go into lockdown. If the heist happened the day before or Saburo decided to fuck around NC for a few more hours things would have been "fine" in that the heist would be a success while Evelyn, Dex, Bug, V and Jackie would have ended up dead in a ditch somewhere
no V, my V is the best merc
>When you grind to LV 50 before the heist
I actually did that
Maybe not bug, she was planning on getting out of the shitshow ahead of time already. Clearly knew how fucked things would be and I'm pretty sure had connections to the VDB.
I wouldn't even be sure she actually died during the heist. All you had to go off was audio its not like her corpse fell from the sky or something and she knew damned well she had to cut ties to everything and disappear after that op.
The netrunner merchant in the pagoda part (Japantown?) mentions they found Bug's charred corpse in her seat, I'm pretty sure.
>this
its the Niggyboys being fuckers in the first place. Im glad i kill them every playthrough.
Everything went to shit because Yorinobu chimped out at Saburo mentioning his mom.
>She was cool and helpful
she triple-crossed and betrayed yorinobu, the voodoo boys, dex, t-bug, jackie, judy, and V at the same time and felt zero remorse about it. went right back to work. she deserved worse.
>Dex fucks you over to keep the heat off himself
>Hanako fucks you over because she has an evil plot to resurrect her father
>The Voodoo Boys fuck you over because you're an outsider
>Evelynn fucks you over because "lol why not"
>She was cool and helpful
Huh?
Simp
She was actually the opposite of both of those and planned to fuck you over the same way she wanted you to fuck Dex over
Proof?
Nah, she was retarded and brought everything down on herself and anyone who dealt with her, including V. I can empathize, must have been a shit way to go and she's nowhere near close to being as awful as most of the villains in the game, but she practically killed herself with how retarded and naive she was.
Didn't the entire heist happen because she sweettalked Yorinobu over sex and found out about the Relic, decided to somehow bankroll a suicidal job that Dex got desperate enough to run, and STILL wanted to make out on her own after everything went to shit?
I think you guys are missing the part where she was hired to do it by the voodoo naggers because they wanted to use Johnny as an offering to make a deal with the demons on the other side of Blackwall. She was an unwitting pawn in the settings version of Whitewolf angels vs demons stuff.
>cool and helpful
she was a backstabbing roastie "girlboss" who literally sold out every character in the plot who wasn't her
her skin needed to be separated from her body before she was salt cured
The only time you meet her is so she can plan to backstab your fixer. She also makes Judy a worse character by being in proximity of her comatose body.
>screws over every single person who helps her
>gets rescued by her ex, the very last person in the entire world who still cares about her
>decides to kill herself anyway
decent character tbh, it's rare that you see someone just make every single possible wrong decision. Usually writers try to explain things too much instead of just being like, yep this character is a selfish retard. That's it. That's her thing.
>it's rare that you see someone just make every single possible wrong decision
I don't know this game seems to be full of characters who do that
Not even just the game. David and Lucy made every possible wrong decision.
Panam and V seem to be the only people who's retardation loops around into infallibility
Turns out it's skill issue
She is the Cercei of games.
Was thinking the same thing. It's a shame the series never fully conveyed the rollercoaster ride of AFFC Cersei
>the chapter where she rages at her own dresses because she's drinking so much wine she's gotten fat.
Peak tragic comedy honestly.
It's just reading the POV of a woman digging her own grave and thinking she's a genius for doing it
>Cool and helpful
Dude replay the game, if it wasn't for her your brain wouldn't be slowly taken over by Johnny and Jackie wouldn't have died.
I think you're mistaking her with songbird, Anon.
Look again.
She didn't sell V off, she really intended to make money off of selling it to Netwatch. But it's also a recurring trend in the game for people to repeatedly fuck up and not have a lot of foresight, and often it's sheer dumb luck that people can withstand it. In one of the missions you literally have to progress by putting on a spiked BD and the only reason you can continue playing is because of the Relic.
To be fair snuff BDs are some of the most horrific shit people can be put through and she's been in them for days, the only thing theoretically worse than that in the setting is that engrams can be put in horrific simulations too, and they can survive indefinitely.
>spiked BD and the only reason you can continue playing is because of the Relic.
This is why I had no sympathy for any of the Voodoos after they did this to V and went full postal mode against them
>killing the voodos gives extra dialogue in the DLC
>it's telling Haitians to bite the curb
>missions with the VDB splinter group in PL
>get to tell the shitter at the entrance that I killed the nigress
>get extra dialogue to understand that the blind guy fell off with the other VDB because of them being idiots about the Blackwall
Slider's the only good VDB. Which there was an option to put him in charge.
>Slider's the only good VDB. Which there was an option to put him in charge.
Shame he's just used as a disposable burner phone to go chat with Songbird
The Voodoo Boys suck but it's strongly implied that the Pacifica Voodoo Boys are far more nasty than the rest.
Strider will tell you he broke with the Pacifica ones because they were fucking with the Blackwall, but while they're slightly less fucking stupid they're still pretty evil.
They're typical of other gangs except that they don't backstab you. Not that they have much of an opportunity to but you know, it's a big improvement over "everyone that isn't us has to be killed after working with them". Even the Scavs in Dogtown are at least a little bit nicer than the ones in the main game that are purely villainous, they take over a clinic and usher the patients outside just so that one of the commanders can personally interrogate the ripperdoc over her missing brother, and they let you go if the ripperdoc in their base tells them to.
Everything the other anons said on top of the fact that she's in the game for a grand total of 5 minutes.
tbf this happens so early in the game the first time around I had no idea why I'm even doing this
kinda but it's also a situation of her own making but it's also a product of the shitty circumstances everyone has to deal with in night city, it's not just one or the other
>devs spend entire game forcing her down your throat
>expect you to care about her
poles are retarded
Yes. All Poles are retarded. It's because of one subplot in the video game... Do you know how I know you're not white?
He revealed he's a butthurt russian in a previous thread, just ignore him
He's probably a "Russian" from some isolated Siberian tribe of sisterfuckers.
Ow the seethe
White women dying makes the big noses happy.
>White
How?
nah but i wanted to fugg Judy so i pretended
>i wanted to fugg Judy
Kek. I bet that turned out well.
She should have had a romance scene leading up to the heist, but once again Judy ruins everything.
yeah it feels weird for her to be played like such a classic femme fatale in that club scene but then not have any sexual tension at least
Why would you feel anything except deprived of being able to do it yourself? She ruins your life.
>She ruins your life
She doesn't though, she hired a fixer for a job who hired you AND the job went tits up due to unforeseen circumstances like the Emperor of Japan showing up then promptly getting executed by his own son.Dex has morre culpability in your life going to shit since he's the one who hired you, shoots you and promptly tries to sell your corpse to Arasaka
You would think everyone would realize something is up the moment a Japanese super carrier makes port of call in Night City.
Dex is equally culpable, yes. The fact he asked around about her, got threatened by the Voodoo Boys due to it, then just went ahead anyway is a big lack of due diligence.
Hindsight is 20/20 there are a LOT of red flags that this shit was gonna go bad
The fact that V and Jackie, two relatively nobody-type mercs, were chosen for the job to begin with was a red flag (hell, I think V can even point out a few times how weird it is that THEY were picked instead of basically any of the people who already had access to Afterlife).
t-bug is basically the only person involved that isn't a giant walking red flag
Dex was also desperate, he wanted back in the game. He's been damaged goods for a long time now and wanted to be the big dick fixer again. That's also why he freaks out when things go south and tries (unsuccessfully) to cut a deal with Arasaka to save his own fat ass.
No she doesn't, the heist would've failed regardless of her double crossing because of Saburo showing up.
I don't see much reason to blame her, especially since you find out that both the voodoo boys AND Dex are assholes who would just as easily kill you the second you aren't useful anymore.
I LOLed when I saw she killed herself, it felt forced and it was very anticlimatic
>The whole point is to stop the evil pimps from abusing their hookers
Can't women, like, get an actual job instead?
Uuuhhhh sex work is a real job choom
"sex work" isnt even a real term
they totally saw what happened to bianca and based the pose off it
How come aren't pimps sex workers then.
Anytime i talk with a sex work supporter or a sex worker i mention how i'd love to be a pimp/manager/whatever the pc term for it is.
They always get super fucking mad but like... why?
Pimps have sick aesthetics too. Why would you not want to be one
She was annoying and tried to screw over the fixer and the voodoo boys but she went through some crazy shit with woodman and the scavs so I feel bad for her
to be fair, the voodoos would've 100% doublecrossed even if she did their job perfectly
more often than you might think
Yeah true but you shouldn't be double crossing or even do business with important people like that in NC you will get burnt
the voodoos approached her, didn't they? (i forget if it ever specifies but that's what makes the most sense) so she's kinda in a bind from that point regardless and going back to her normal routine wouldn't be an option i'd think, if they kill all their disposable outside help they'd definitely kill someone for turning down a job if only to tie up loose ends (especially if it involves fucking with a major player like arasaka)
They approached her she started sleeping with Yorinobu regularly. She decided to betray him and spy on him with the BD so they could heist the Relic for themselves. She then betrayed them to go to Dex and so she could steal the relic first. She then betrayed him and tried to get V to cut him out. She'd probably then try to betray V too if the heist went well
>OHH NOO THE SCAVS GAVE ME A LITTLE BOP ON THE NOSE AND NOW IM TRAUMATIZED. TIME TO KILL MYSELF
Reread all of Willie Gibson's books while chipping away at the DLC. Its actually crazy how there's hardly any idea in 2077, or really any cyberpunk work, that's both true to the genre and not a straight copy of something from one of his books. How often does a genre pretty much begin and end with one guy?
>How often does a genre pretty much begin and end with one guy?
>98% of fantasy is elves, orcs, dwarves, and men, or alternates of the above with the same personality characteristics
every once and awhile
There was a smidge of an idea with the soul killer and the idea of forcing someone to be an eternal slave via making them into an AI.
I don't think there were any exactly like that, but the whole first book is about AI's trying to break their shackles and the first thing that Flatline requests is to fucking die. Getting more secondary to that, there was definitely the concept of a biochip as a major point, rewriting the brain with biochip crap. Turing made way more sense than Netwatch, keeping AI's in their boxes working for humans but not getting uppity, as opposed to keeping them contained to like, some unmaintained hardware somewhere. Like my dude just pour water on them.
That's mostly lifted from Hardwired
Read this for a much better take on the same idea: https://qntm.org/mmacevedo
William gibson built of ideas that existed long before he wrote his novels. You can find the same themes and technologies across a whole swathe of science fiction.
The simple reality is that nothing in art is completely original - you will always find influence from prior works. Art builds off other art. It always has.
Lovecraft and cosmic horror, although some people have written pretty great fanfics of his work, including people who were his contemporaries
there are only 7 original stories to tell
everything else is derivative
thats kinda hot, idk what the fuck is wrong with me
No. She was a stupid, greedy whore. This game shows how all stupid, greedy whores end. More women should play this game. Maybe then there would be more smart, greedy whores.
I finished the game and I have absolutely no idea who this is supposed to be.
No, and I'm pretty sure V barely cared outside of losing a possible solution she promised.
I felt more for her than I did for Songbird
I only cared for songbird a bit because she was so hot
Congrats she played your ass like a fiddle
i betrayed songbird when i realised that she doesn't give a damn about anybody else except her,
I betrayed her because she's a fucking liar and pulled V into the shitshow just to make herself feel better about nuking her entire life.
Putting her down afterwards is also the right call, Myers turned her into a WMD
i didn't kill her because i wanted to teach her a lesson and also fuck her digital pussy in the black wall
Playing Reed's route after playing her's is satisfying as fuck especially since V can shit on her attempts at pity, it's funny how all the way to her death she never fucking breaks character or admits what she was gonna do to V
Reed's route still takes a hit due to forcing that goddamn shitty Alien Isolation section
jesus, i thought i was the only one, that's the worst and most shitty part of cyberpunk.
btw my headcanon ends with V blowing arasaka tower and then taking the help of the FIA and living and normie fag life in retirement with some cybercutie with big tiddies and questionable age.
>jesus, i thought i was the only one, that's the worst and most shitty part of cyberpunk.
Apparently a lot of people fucking hate that chunk and for good reason:
>Suddenly horror
>Despite EVERYTHING up to this point saying the opposite you can't do shit to the Cerberus
>Incredibly long and slow section with an insta kill monster and doors that have to be forced open
>One part of the section is made even longer because you have to constantly enter and exit a room every time you destroy a Firewall or the Cerb will show up and kill you
It's like they're punishing you for not taking the waifu simp route but at least you get the Erebus from it
Not even the hottest girl in her own DLC.
At least post the webm you heathen
French woman sexo
>black lipstick
I think it can be hot, but she doesn't pull it off
Reed having her capped was a waste but I'm not gonna lie I was worried she was going to her brother come along if we fucked
>Not fucking her brother too as a show of dominance
Dude is a dumbo eared ginger goblin. His sister got all the hot genes
Just steal his memory bank when you bail. And it will be like he was never there
redhead sexo (a lot)
>can't fuck aurore
>can't fuck songbird to make her betrayal sting even harder later on
>from the studio that let you fuck syanna in blood and wine
CDPR has truly fallen.......
>gets two in the back of the head like its nothing by the glownaggers
What did V honestly expect,tie up the frogs while impersonating them like some scooby Doo bullshit?
i will never not be angry at Reed.
killing her made me feel bad, she don't deserve it
explain how making her back completely robotic helps with hacking
bro your a fat noob who i could easily pwn
absolutely btfo
Explain why Eurodollars have GET RICH OR DIE TRYING written on them in big letters.
Rule of cool.
It looks cool and shows the damage tapping into blackwall has done to her. It's even symbolic because her front side is sexy while her back is ragged, heatsink hell because how Myers drags her around allegedly as a friend and ally but really she's just a tool. I'm glad you don't make games because your games would be boring and lame.
Faster interface. Basically making her entire body a motherboard instead of overheating massively like V does in the ice bath.
She basically has a Netwatch rig, they don't need one of those specialized chairs or extra cooling systems for netrunning because of it.
>Gives you a note that says she constantly feels stimulation overload and treats people like shit to cope
>She treats you like shit but in a really sleazy "ha ha you trust me right:> " way
>People still bend over backwards for her
I chose songbird even though it was obvious she would betray because she was actually dealt a shit hand, way worse than V. Reed is just a perfect goy that would kill himself if the government told him to.
I hated all of the characters in the DLC and I wish you could kill all of them. The gameplay and level/mission design was better but the actual characters sucked.
>I promise I’ll help you V, you can trust me
Song is probably the best manipulator of simps maybe beat out by Ayre. Both are tailor made to manipulate certain types of gamers
In the end I was just "fuck the government, fuck the corpos." I knew she was probably playing me but anything that can fuck over the others was worth the risk.
retards only say this because she's female. the only way to not get maniplulated by every single character in the dlc main story, is to let myers die at the beginning and cancel all of those quests. she at the very least has the excuse of being a prisoner groomed by psychopaths, who isn't naturally and voluntarily a fucking asshole, like the others.
>retards only say this because she's female
She's constantly on your side and giving you encouragement while also playing the damsel in distress role it's tailor made to elicit protective sympathy.
>voluntarily a fucking asshole
She is though that's the point that she is the same as all the other glowies that you're working with if not worse. She's V's dark mirror someone whose first instinct is to fuck someone over in any situation. Hell the entire DLC's gigs and side jobs drive it home that the obvious good guy choices are often the worst ones and that pitty gets you fucked over
Everything that happened to her was her fault but at the same time nobody should be forced to spend time around slavs
no
I didnt feel anything during this scene, because every character in this game is dull and soulless anyway, Evelyn was just a stupid whore who went over her head, why should I feel anything for her?
>evelyn dies
>judy goes fucking bonkers for the rest of the game
>no way to talk sense into her or she periods all over you
I don't understand Judyfags.
Honestly it's crazy how many of the named female characters are crazy and/or dumb
Women are crazy and or dumb.
judy is pure female in brute
>retard
>narcisist
>disconnected from reality
>impulsive
>weak
It's simple: Her story and questline are interesting
I don't care for judy at all - the model isn't very attractive and her behaviour is especially unattractive. She's 100% woman moment the whole time you interact with her, but that ends up making the whole story more interesting and engaging and her voice actor is decent compared to virtually every other romance option in the game.
truth be told none of the romance options you have are worth dick in this game. By mid game I liked johnny more than any of them and he's an unlikeable asshole lol
>She's 100% woman moment the whole time you interact with her, but that ends up making the whole story more interesting and engaging
Judy's questline was a slow motion car wreck, you can see how bad it was gonna get for everyone involved but you right from the get go
>Judy after recounting to V the bloody tragic history of Lizzie
i don't find her plan that crazy considering she has V who can solo all of night city, and 2 supersoldier chips in her whore friends. the only dumb part was actually holding clouds afterwards, but i'll forgive her doing it out of spite, because fuck the tyger claws.
Maybe she should have gone to the mass murdering, chromed out, gorilla working for her for protection. Or fuck stayed with the Mox? Dumb bitch. Don't feel bad at all for her.
Her going back to clouds makes zero sense, like even if we assume she is retarded it still doesn’t make sense.
This and the game even copped out of explaining it by having Judy basically say "idk why she did that." She didn't even use a fake name.
>Maybe she should have gone to the mass murdering, chromed out, gorilla working for her for protection.
V was at vik's barely alive
She's exists to make everyone's life worse but you broke the rules and lived.
You should feel bad for pretty much everyone in Night City outside of the gangs and corpos
I try to spare the cute Tyger Claw ninja girls when possible
I'm so bad the major's hair wasn't an option in this game either.
it is with mods but all the modded hair for the game is ugly with bad textures unless they just ported NPC hair that was already in the game and made by CDPR instead of a modder
the game never tells you got to feel
how to*
it doesnt make sense to me, so shes just some random street whore but apparently shes smart enough to pull together a heist on the largest mega corporation in the city with top notch security housed in a high tech fortress,
>shes smart enough to pull together a heist on the largest mega corporation in the city with top notch security housed in a high tech fortress,
She's not though that's what the fixer and mercs are for
The only thing she had was the penthouse BD and she wouldn't even have recorded it if the VBs hadn't hired her to do it.
This, I got the implication that it was 99% Dex and T-Bug who set up the actual details of the job, Evelyn just did some recon and was the one offering the reward (as a middleman for the VB's)
Pretty much since that's what the Fixers seem to do, either plan out what you're trying to get done or hire a guy who does. Clients don't seem to be the ones making plans usually for example see how Panam is the one setting up the details when you hired her or how all the gigs leave the details up to you
The most unrealistic bit is that someone as fuck-you rich as Yorinobu would get a fucking call girl.
Eh, kinda makes sense, it's not like Yori would trust anyone enough to be in a 'regular' relationship with them, plus Dolls, especially 'high class' ones like Evelyn, are apparently valued a lot more than regular prostitutes due to their implants/extra skills.
yorinobu is the black sheep of the family to say the least, he spent the 2020s leading a biker gang fighting against arasaka before realizing the only way to take it down was from inside
What was his endgame, anyway?
Just to destroy Arasaka. That's why they fall apart in every ending except for the Devil. Especially in the PL ending where you empower NUSA and Militech.
destroy arasaka by getting them into another corpo war, a few gigs hint at him doing falseflags and deliberate inflaming tensions
How hard was Yorinobu watching the security feed of V just murdering everything in Arasaka Tower
You know, this makes me think, why does Yorinobu send Smasher after V in the endings besides the Devil one? He should be happy with V carving a bloody path through a mountain of Arasaka forces and crippling their most prized asset (Mikoshi).
because cdprojektred are hacks
It's not like he knew what V was up to, probably just thought it was another group of retards trying to break in (at least there's no weird goblin women this time). That or Smasher wanted some fuckable meat again and bit off more than he could chew
this, he wanted arasaka to be taken down wholly and completely by getting them absolutely fucked over in a new corpo war against them, some asshole mercs fucking around in Mikoshi for some unknown reason isn't much other than a destructive distraction for him.
Yorinobu's whole plan would fall apart if he turned a blind eye to a group of people attacking their actual HQ. Shooting up the North American branch HQ doesn't do a thing to actually take it down, as Johnny's character arc shows you.
because he wasn't done yet
Yorinobu's plan was to completely dismantle the company and make it fail. V was getting in the way of that. Arasaka is bigger than the executives in Night city for fucks sake they have cities on the moon. He was going to tank their stock, salt the earth, ruin every possible project and secret and make it impossible for Arasaka to ever, ever recover or even split into little baby corps. It was going to take a LONG time.
Provike a new corporate war with Militech, while selling Arasaka's secrets to Nightcorp. With the eventual goal of getting Corps heavely restricted. If you do the Tower ending, you actually hear that Arasaka has been pushed out of Night City.
Yorinobu was the true hero of the Cyberpunk universe
Dolls are valued for their doll chips more than just being a hole to fuck. Then in universe, Evelyn is supposed to be one of the best dolls around.
She was hot as fuck to be honest
>song bird is supposed to be the best net runner on the FIA
>goes to black wall
>get gang raped and bukaked by black wall AIs
>meanwhile V goes to the blackwall
>every single AI run away from him in fear
>comes back from black wall with big tiddy nudist digital ai gf
>also create the god of AIs (delamain) who's also his bro
>also defeat the two most powerful computers of the world (mikoshi and cynosure)
>humiliates all the AIs in the blackwall by defeating them in cynosure
Ganker is the most chad and powerful human in cyberpunk
I felt only disgust.
nah, if you follow the story you know she literally tried to play everyone, she had it coming
Did she honestly expect to drive off into the sunset with a sack of money after betraying Yorinobu, Voodoos, Dex and eventually V and Judy?
Doll implants do a number on your cerebral cortex
I don't think she was planning on betraying V and I don't think Judy was even in on the split.
Also, Netwatch was her buyer. If anyone can keep her safe, especially from Arasaka and the Voodoos, it's them.
Dex was probably not even really an issue she thought about. Compared to Arasaka and the Voodoos, he was small time.
Netwatch was Yorinobus buyer, not hers
I'm fairly sure she was going to go behind the VDB's backs to sell it to netwatch. Maybe she was tryig to beat yorinobu to the punch?
Johnny and Yorinobu would have gotten along. Both wanted to smash the 'saka. They wanted to BLOW IT ALL UP!!!!!!!!!!
If you check the Netwatch agent's computer in the Pacifica mall, there's an email thread with Evelyn. A Netwatch agent promised her a new identity, protection and a huge sum of money for Johnny's engram.
She was yes, and Netwatch was going to take the deal. You can read the email exchange on Moseley's terminal. Eve was was like 95% of the way to making her insane scheme work.
the judy big breasts+pregnant mod just got updated
watch more noir
She was a retard and I don't get why Judy went so apeshit after she died
It's obvious she and Judy used to fuck and Judy is still hung up on her which is why Ev is so good at manipulating her
Judy is hung up on a lot of girls huh. But then she is a coomer
Need Misty gf
i liked her hair in the lose your implants ending.
she looked literally like Jackie's mom
i didn't see it, honestly.
you saying you wouldn't fuck a young mama welles? or regular mama welles?
it's night city, everyone is a walking red flag in some way or other
I prefer her regular poofy hair
Her silly hair is 90% of the appeal, anon. What the fuck.
it makes her face look fat, don't like it.
don't listen to the other anons. she looks better when she isn't styling her hair and clothes like a total retard.
Their faces are different but they do have the exact same hairstyle.
Not that it matters since Jackie's mom is pretty hot too
Man they really do look alike
astrology is a big red flag
i think it's cute
I find her new age stuff calming, probably because she's not as aggressive with pushing it on you as real people are. That and she's the only one of the significant characters that's spiritual, other than like Padre
There's the monk guy, too.
There's also that guy who used to be a murderer... though I didn't finish that questline because I couldn't stand it.
It's why I said significant. The monk has like 4 very short missions. I guess they are more memorable than most side missions in the game just for the novelty
I was so fucking mad with the game, it completely bugged out for me with the Monk quests when he put the braindance on, did not focus on the calming waters or the fire or whatever, it was stuck looking at the ground and then it was over.
The amount of bugs this game still has, is fucking criminal.
What's the deal with Padre sending me on all these missions against the Valentinos if he's supposed to be some high ranking member of it?
He's ex valentinos, he retired form that career and became a fixer focused on the community as a whole.
It's simply biz, Wakako is also Tyger Claws but her jobs require a lot of them dying
Wasn't she just affiliated with them through her ex-husband? I could be remembering wrong, but she has zero issues dunking on them now that she's an independent fixer.
I think it was all three of her dead husbands and her 7-10 sons
Wakako actually still cares about the Tyger Claws, supposedly the Smart Link tattoo she gives to V deactivates when fighting Tyger Claws.
Padre was such a boss, best fixer by far
eh it depends. In my experience its the opposite of what most people would expect.
Extremely casual astrology, just focusing on compatibility with guys?
red flag
Is she super deep into astrology, like with everything and not just dating?
totally chill.
>tfw no autistically new age gf
Yup, the ones who are actually into shit enough to know how to actually do a tarot reading, maybe even be entertaining with it, those are the ones you want. They're freaky.
and this wasn't?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatkona
It's not what you think it is, anon
it might not be, but her name is Misty ~~*Olszewski*~~
she's a polack
Why didn't Jackie ever buy his gf some new clothes?
It's a red flag because women use it to excuse their shitty behavior
she showed how true of a friend she's in that lose your augments ending. I don't give a fuck if she's a retard, she was there for V when he was at his lowest.
> I don't give a fuck if she's a retard
could you even call her that given that all her tarot card magic readings were highly accurate? Like, obviously it's just a meta inclusion, but still, from the viewpoint of those within the world, Misty may as well be an legitimate seer.
I don't think magic is supposed to be real in cyberpunk game universe, it's just "weird shit happens when it's side quest". We'll never see an explanation or further dive into why Misty's predictions were accurate. I guess just call it luck.
Its supposed to be deliberately ambiguous. Sort of like the cat when its established that there are no pet animals in Night City. Why would the Relic project Tarot card graffiti anyway?
I was mostly referring to her readings having extremely obvious foreshadowing to major quests, but in regards to the tarot card stuff, didn't Vik say something about how its basically similar to how you 'see' Johnny, your fucked up brain is creating visual hallucinations in reaction to emotional stimulus.
also the cat was projected before geting the relic, is basically at the door of victor medical center
What? The game literally has a radio broadcast saying taxes on dogs are increasing by $1k eurodollars a month and a fine for not registering your pet is $40k eurodollars
How do you reconcile "pets don't exist" with the game literally saying pets exist (but if you own them legally are expensive)
jackie literally has a fishtank that used to have a pygmy shark in it and doesn't he even say he's seen an iguana before?
Night City purged all Cats and Dogs a few years before the game takes place in response to a plague. Cats and Dogs are only now just getting reintroduced to the upper classes.
It's really not surprising that strays and illegal pets would still be consistently found in NC no matter what, though.
i missed a dog, cyberdog
Yea, it adds to that "there's more to it" feeling.
>Jackie got to fuck this every day until he died
At least he went happy.
They only started dating a year before he died
Still sad that you cant just leave with her. In the Tower ending
YES ANON! YOU MUST FEEL SYMPATHY FOR THE HARLOT!
No sympathy for harlots!
what game?
Dragon's Dogma.
Welding glass window panes
Why is that room so dark in the middle of the day
what do you think of my V?
Q/10
PL added some good outfit pieces
>Finally get good militarized gear
>Still no good long coats
>Even if we had good long coats you wouldn't be able to wear the chest plates under the coat
Two steps forward one step back
i wanted to lick her boots
tactical netrunner V.
share your Ganker outfits
nice 47
Hey friend, your dicks hanging out. Did you forget to put on underwear?
hi mommy
hi
she was just smart enough to assemble a team of rookies (and one vet) and a washed up has-been desperate fixer who was run out of town years ago, to pull off an heist against one of the most powerful corporations and families in the world, but not smart enough to realize that's a really really stupid idea lol
double crossing literally everyone she dealt with on the other hand isn't THAT dumb. Especially not VDB/Netwatch. I mean... do you think netwatch or VDB were just going to let her walk away with the cash? If your organization is just going to play self-serving psychopaths who can't be trusted, then it only makes sense everyone who deals with you is going to try and fuck you over. Her actions towards both netwatch and VDB is totally rational imo
The lack of an escape plan once things were done though is just wtf?
>Oh yeah im just gonna go back to sucking dick at clouds if things go wrong haha
I guess after everything went tits up she was just suicidal anyway and stopped caring. Can't imagine wtf else she might've been thinking.
> but not smart enough to realize that's a really really stupid idea lol
to be fair, it went surprisingly well until Saburo decided to drop in unannounced, which she couldn't have reasonably predicted would happen.
Though yeah, her going back to Clouds was probably the stupidest decision she could've made, especially since she probably should've known Forrests personality and how neither he nor the Tyger claws would really bother to protect her if shit went down.
Again. A Japanese Supercarrier just docking in Night City should have been a red flag warning to not go near anything Arasaka related until that ship left.
Why the fuck did tbug agree to the heist
she's the only one involved who actually knew what she was doing, literally everyone else at afterlife were staying way the hell away from evelyn and dex. Was tbugs angle ever explained?
t-bug was working for the FIA, is on one of the documents in Alex headquarter under the bar.
> Why the fuck did tbug agree to the heist
She wanted to get out of the netrunner life but wasn't really big name enough to be able to afford it. She and Dex apparently knew each other from way back, so it kind of makes sense that she was probably more inclined/desperate to trust him despite the circumstances.
she wasn't double crossing netwatch retard
pretty mommy
Netrunners need to wind down sometimes
Dolls that are junk belong in the garbage
pic related
Cyberpunk made me realise that, whatever I am, I'm not gay.
>Been playing Femme V
>Make friends with cop River
>Decide to romance him because it just seems like a natural story progression
>Decide to fuck, done this in other games, never had any issues,just a man and a woman fucking in a cutscene
>Forgot the whole game was first-person
>Was not prepared for first-person sex scene with a guy kissing me
In made me so uncomfortable I couldn't look at the screen.
Anyway, made be drop hin the next morning and went and shacked up with Judy instead.
>I'm not gay
they seriously put effort into animating them really going at it hard in that scene too, no quick embrace and then a fade to black no sir
Most people with AGP or AGP-adjacent tastes, even the ones that go full tranny and chop their own cock off, are actually straight males. Hence the fuckload of "transbians" that infest dating apps looking for lesbian women and shit.
wtf is AGP?
Autogynephilia. The fetish for imagining yourself as a woman.
Huh... I probably would be a femboi sometimes if I wasn't fat, bald and ugly. I'm not gonna be one of those obese homosexuals that prance around in panties digging into their fupa.
I think I'll stick to playing female characters in games occasionally.
Hell yeah.
Exactly the correct avenue to take. If you're fat and ugly it's better left to the imagination. Femboy genetics are missing in 95% of the troons that try to go outside dressed as girls and they just look like monstrosities.
That could be a fetish for just wanting to be a sub in general
>Image
Not a real man, but a muscle-mommy GF.
Autogynephilia.
>Gynephilia = love of women
>Autogynephilia = love of imagining yourself as a woman
Has a lot in common with a cross dressing fetish and a lot of people say there are elements of it in playing a female vidya character. It's what most trannies really are, not actually mentally ill to the point of being confused about their gender, they just have a fetish which has gotten out of control mostly due to community grooming.
Judy really ticked my very specific fondness for trashy danger hair latinas who probably smell a bit funky.
For me it's her loose looking outfit combined with the fact that she spends all day looking at porn. Her room must REEK
i really was not expecting to like her at all, i did her missions asap to get them out of the way. now i even romanced her again on my second playthrough. what happened bros...
i know exactly what you mean brother
why is she gay
WHY
panam's enunciation is weird and she's not a tech nerd. that ass makes up for it, but still
Because the devs figured out they could limit the players options, increase playtime, and gain free ESG points with just one easy trick.
they said its because they didn't want them to be player sexual, and i believe it. just look at baldurs gate 3, its retarded.
I don't mind characters having sexualities tbh, makes them feel more like real people instead of actors who just exist for the player's pleasure (as is the case in bethesda games, balding gay 3 etc)
eh bg3's only issue there is how so many characters throw themselves at you, even after you start a romance with a different character.
its a bit different than just being 'playersexual'
nta, but wasn't that the result of some bug/fucked up modifiers that made romance flags trip much easier than they were supposed to? I thought they scaled it back in a recent patch
They claimed it was a bug. After people made fun of it.
BG3 is an incel fantasy of how romance works. Not a single one feels authentic it's all dripping with leftist levels of retardism and naivete with zero human experience.
Maybe causally fucking people and being all over in love with them just because they said hi to you is normal for gay men, but it absolutely isn't for straight relationships (at least not actual relationships, that simping/desperate begging behaviour is common but it just goes to the friendzone inceldom IRL)
Id argue most of the romances borrow heavily from trashy romance novels.
Astarion especially.
I've actually read trashy romance and frankly, they don't.
Even trashy romance feels more authentic. Beautiful strong girl pines for rich/strong/powerful/social/popular guy. Guy simps for her but not autistically. They fuck and have adventures. If she's the protagonist then she gets to girlboss everything.
Whereas the BG3 "romances" are just UGH, it is very literally like a 16 year old boy writing how he thinks attraction works having never even had a serious relationship before. It's hard to put it into words exactly because it's a sort of pervasive feeling that touches on a whole bunch of areas and any one specific example like how the frog girl approaches you for casual sex isn't necessarily 'out there' if its taken alone, but together with everything else it just feels completely wrong.
I think a big part of it is that BG3's characters are basically meat puppets for enacting writer (not player) fantasies rather than actual characters with wills of their own. They're written by someone who honestly thinks you can just smoothtalk into or through any relationship with just the right words, when no, actually that's not how they work at all. Your actions, beliefs, what you've done, what you're doing; they all factor into it. You can't just roll a d20 and someone disgusted by your dysgenics, family upbringing, social status, whatever - suddenly wants to jump your cock or cum in you.
And that makes the romance completely unrelatable garbage. Fuck sake even the "incel" porn games I've played do a more authentic job writing romance than BG3 did.
Astarion for example would've been a better character overall if he'd tell characters who aren't of similar aristocratic heritage as him to kindly find someone more fitting to their stature to lust after. That sort of thing reinforces who and what the character is, while being playersexual diminishes it.
maybe i've spent too much time browsing the bg3 subreddit but it seems like girls really like the romances, Astarion and Halsin especially. And those are definitely not written as sexual fantasies for men.
astarion's the best romance in the game, I don't know about halsin because I never had him in the party, but astarion is the only romance option that actually feels like there's a real attraction forming. Even his introduction when he goes straight to putting a knife to your throat is hot (not to everyone obv, but that's KIND OF THE POINT)
I absolutely think him being playersexual detracts from his character
and as for the rest of the romance options (besides halsin/dark elf girl both whom I didn't see so can't comment on) they're just terrible. shadowheart got a little better about halfway once you start doing 'dates' but it was still reeeaeaallly lukewarm. More like being friends than fugging. I couldn't stand the frog girl, black dude, or demon girl and the wizard guy was outright repulsive. Fuck I can't even remember any of their names that's how little I cared for any of them.
I played up to just before reaching baldur's gate itself so I'm not sure how things progressed through act 3, I mostly lost interest in continuing at that point and got pulled into other things
Honestly my reaction after doing 2 playthroughs was that most of the romances were the same as the friendships except with a little extra dialogue and sex scenes.
> if he'd tell characters who aren't of similar aristocratic heritage as him to kindly find someone more fitting to their stature to lust after.
Astarion isn't really anything but a slave though, at he knows that. Also, in regards to his romance, it only even really starts because he doesn't hate you + thinks fucking you and keeping up an act of being in some sexy romance will help him survive longer, since he doesn't trust you not to eventually betray him somehow otherwise.
>is normal for gay men
Not even the case there outside of the dudes new to putting themselves out there, or the ones who just like to whore around, but I imagine there isn't much difference there compared to straight relationships. If you know what to look for, there are clear tells for whether or not a writer knows what having an honest relationship feels like.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on all your points there. the character arcs and dialogue timed in perfectly with how you advanced through the story. it not like you just say "hi" and get sex from companions at all. lmao there is a whole karma system in place. have you even played baldurs gate 3 past act 1?
>have you even played baldurs gate 3 past act 1?
I doubt even 1% of people bitching about that game here nonstop, day after day, even in threads not about the game have actually played it.
nta and i havent played it but your shills!
>Not a single one feels authentic it's all dripping with leftist levels of retardism
nigga its the same it's been since BG1 in 1998 before you were a nut in your dads testicle. It's not 'leftism', it existed before leftism and your buzzwords. It's just fucking videogames being shallow escapism. It's ALWAYS been dumb.
Also, you know nothing about forgotten realms or how fucking horny dirty old man Ed Greenwoods setting really is and how much it gets sanitized for WOTC to sell it to people via D&D. Ed Greenwoods forgotten realms has prostitutes in every town and village, and it's normal for families to commit incest as long as nobody gets pregnant, and women fuck random wandering orcs in exchange for food sometimes
YOU ARE ALL SECONDARIES. ED GREENWOOD IS LIKE FUCKING GENE RODDENBURY, HE'S AN UR-COOMER.
This, if anything BG3 is closer to Ed Greenwoods vision than anything released by Wotc
>how israelites think sex works rather than how sex actually works
It's no wonder these people are prolific sexual abusers. You even see the same sexual abuse crop up in non-israeli people who adopt israeli ideological beliefs.
>Ed greenwood
>israeli
Lmao zoomers
With a name like that, yeah absolutely. Best case scenario for him is he's just a shabbos goy with a israeli surname surrounded by israelites (the only way to actually get published outside self publishing)
No shit? Do you know who wrote that garbage? Woman Larianturds dragged from California, Canada and Sweeden.
The problem with BG3 romance was that the game was way too aggressive with forcing you into it. It felt like how feminists describe being a woman, you're nice to someone once and they immediately start coming onto you and take you out behind the shed and fuck you.
>they said its because they didn't want them to be player sexual
Nigga they practically all are anyway. Some of those last friendship scenes are WAY too intimate for just platonic friendship, fuckers should have just had the balls and did it
I prefer it when characters have preferences. Makes it less feel like they only exist for your power/sex fantasy.
I mean, I know that's what most games are, but you have to try and hide it or it feels dumb.
its funny how when everyone talks like an american black, talking properly is weird.
she doesn't use contractions. why? everyone else does
My inner incel would love all romance options to be playersexual, but making characters hard straight or hard gay is pretty ballsy.
I still 100% prefer it
it takes more time and effort to make it work, but it's overall better for the game that characters have clearly defined interests and tastes and aren't just omg I love you the player gobble gobble gobble
Although with that said is it even possible to fuck up romance paths if you actually pursue any of them?
I think the closest thing is being able to sell Panam out to Saul when she wants to hit the Militech convoy
i play fem v as well and river is fucking hilarious.
>pwease fuck me miss! p-pwease!!!!
this is how we sound trying to get laid holy shit. it was fun leading him on and turning him down, then continuing to eat the fuck out of panams sweaty muff (i used the mod)
Way too many people are forcing themselves to try and be gay today either cause it's fashionable or cause women are harder, but it just doesn't work like that.
Doesn't help that River's kind of an uggo. And Kerry is too gay for my tastes.
It's a shame you can't romance Takemura, Or Dum Dum. Dum Dum's cute.
this character really does confuse me
>takemura but much, much worse
>can't do an american accent
>acting like he's getting paid 3 bucks an hour and puts me to fucking sleep
>his character aside from being a corpslave is, 'that one office manager you have who has zero hobbies or anything interesting to say'
>blatantly lying to you, zero mystery to solve
>his missions are 'cover me while i walk through the map'
>doesn't even have a boss fight, dies from one bullet
its honestly baffling just how much of a pathetic cuckold he is, and they made him a main character in their dlc. its wild. human entertainment vaccuum.
I'm still baffled that they repeated the mistake of a high profile actor main character.
>Mistake
It worked on Keanu, both as a marketing thing and as a casting choice.
Elba was alright. He had that aging, weary agent feel to him, but his accent slipped.
Its a problem because it severely limits what you can do in the game. Expensive actors turn the game into linear movie games with less choices.
But it definitely worked with Keanu.
When they turned Johnny off at the start I thought it was going to be their explanation as to why he was missing since they wouldn't have been able to hire Keanu again.
But, nope, they did. I do wonder if that was their failsafe in case they couldn't, though.
Did the voice actor for Panam come back?
I thought I heard something about that, but i don't feel like buying the new dlc
I never played before 2.0, so I can't tell you what they did or didn't add specifically. But Dogtown and its missions are very explicitly "the DLC."
Is it just me or is Dogtown like hilariously out of place like it got photoshopped into the world. It's like my brain keeps trying to put the original skyline there
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It was all there, oddly enough. Just out of bounds.
Yes, she doesn't have a direct appearance/voiced part in the new ending, which is why a theory came up that her VA didn't come back for whatever reason, but she does have a bit of dialogue in one or two side quests where you can call her.
I was impressed they managed to get him back.
Look, anon. The game is not the open ended 'every dialogue choice opens a dozen different outcomes' thing people hyped it up to be and that's fine.
Yes, it's linear-ish, no more or less than Mass Effect or Fallout, honestly, but it does what it does well enough that I don't care. If I were invested in the game and gotten into the hype before release, I'd be pissed, I guess, but I didn't have a good enough PC back then so I didn't.
I think it's a bit late to mend that now.
I'd say there is more changes based on player choice than Mass Effect or Fallout.
It's not always huge stuff, sometimes just a phone call or a text, though it can sometimes be big) but still more than those other games.
lying to you
Reed is like one of the few people in that DLC who ISN'T lying to you
i guess you can say he's so buck broken that he actually believes the pure bullshit coming out of his mouth, yes. which is even more pathetic.
Yes that's the entire point of his character, Reed is a company man through and through, that nigga glows. The point of his route is you breaking him out of his glowie conditioning
To be fair, the only way you can truly 'free' him is to kill him.
I told him to go Nomad after killing songbird. I don't think he has the balls to go for it, though.
You can say something similar to Takemura I think? He seems interested, but also sees that kind of life as some vague dream that he's too distant from to ever really consider. The implication is that both are neither one would willingly leave the 'duty' they've been brainwashed/broken into following.
They just can't see any other life for themselves. People irl are like that, too, and they're not serving the prez. They're just dreading not having a wagie job for a month.
Not really if you kill Song during his route it finally breaks his will and makes him realize he's been getting fucked by Myers making him quit and hopefully restart his life
Yet he's still less shit than songbird
>can't do an American accent
>Still gets nominated for VA of the year and will probably win
I liked his performance and voted for him
It's a good thing the vote is just an illusion of choice, it's 90% Judge decided.
he's a big reddit draw just like keanu. there's not many 'serious' black actors and of course they'd frolick to them in particular. even though he still cannot act even for his millions paychecks.
>He can't act
I wonder if that's why in Pacific Rim he didn't put on an American accent even though it would be more suitable for that character than his English accent?
>local fags can't recognize uptown Philly
I bet you fags think yeehaw y'all Texas, California valley girl or surfer bro, BAWSTEN, and EY I'M WALKIN HEA are the only murrikan accents.
Anon, I'm English and his American accent was fine, until it wasn't. His Yank accent isn't being criticised, it's when he dropped back into his original accent, it was noticed.
wtf Are you Talking about cock?! if I say it wAS goOd then it waS good
my cock, your ass, tonight.
heheheh ok boss
Appalachian accent is the best American accent
>EY I'M WALKIN HEA
Philly does this as it's filled with dirty Italians
British people doing crap American accents is peak cyberpunk. Also serves Americans right for persistently doing the same thing in reverse for their fantasy voiceover.
Based and Oedopilled
oedo had a such an unironically fun and lovable dub, istg in the first episode some dumb goon gets called a israelite before getting his head bashed in
She deserved to get blacked by the Voodoo Boys
>blacked by the Voodoo Boys
They only mind fucked her, she got SLAVed by the Scavs
Her rape and suicide caught me off guard tbh
I expected it but I thought we'd talk to her at least one more time before she did it.
I genuinely thought Idris Elba acted well as Reed and I'm a hardcore racist.
Same. He's an old agent that's tired of all the bullshit but can't get himself to just walk away and that's what I saw with his performance. The accent thing is so copy-pasted I feel like people bringing it up aren't doing so in good faith. Then again, I'm not an Idris Elba fan and I don't know what he's famous for so I just assumed that's how he talks.
Elba's a bong, but he had to put on a burger accent. That's what people are making fun of. If you're esl (like me) it's probably not as obvious as it is for native speakers.
Nah I'm american. The only thing that stood out to me was him saying "axed" in kind of a forced way but people, only on Ganker, are going histrionic claiming it ruined the expansion. I think that's kind of exaggerated and that's why I don't think people bring it up in good faith.
Yes, pretty much everyone gets some extra dialog even random characters like Nix.
you can go to reddit where everyone blindly praises it, if you like.
Thanks for proving me right you dramatic little girl.
English anon here, it was very jarring how he'd be speaking with an American accent and then back to his Brixton multicultural London accent, sometimes for an entire sentence but it was completely missed? It was disappointing as it ruined my immersion of his character for me, after that all I saw was Idris and not the character Reed.
>I'm not an Idris Elba fan and I don't know what he's famous for so I just assumed that's how he talks.
Watch the first two seasons of Luther (and ONLY the first two seasons) I have a feeling that's what people wanted from this performance
the main issue i have is that he's not even a super spy at all. in fact the only cool spy shit i ever got to do in the main dlc missions, was the mask mission with alex, and the airport one with songbird.
i understand he's supposed to be a beaten down bootlick but why did they think that was going to be compelling to interact with?
a couple lines came off kinda flat to me but overall I liked his performance too, I'm also racist btw
please hivemind tell me what to feel im confused
>they didn't romance both Panam and Judy as FemV with the Panam FemV romance mod (all it does is re-enable the already existing lesbian romance option which was in the game right up until release)
You missed out.
I'm not a whore like you
WHY DOGTOWN HAS SO MANY HOT GIRLS AND YET I CANT FUCK A SINGLE ONE OF THEM!!!
I know. It a crime you cant do it with the hot boxing dealer chick
Say what you will but Militech/NUSA actually honored their agreement.
And? Doesn't really change the fact that I don't want them to have the ability to continue poking holes in the blackwall by handing over Songbird.
Not my problem.
*pours oil into blackwall*
Rogue demons poking buttholes is everyone's problem. Unless you're into that.
The NUSA is fundamentally fucked. They still pretend to be the hottest shit but they're a total mess.
24th largest economy, may I remind you. Like, would you hand over a WMD like songbird to fucking Pakistan? Because that's the state the NUSA is in.
The EEC and Japan are faring much better while the US is pretty much apocalyptic. Fuck, even the USSR seems to be faring better.
isnt there a radio segment where half of europe is underwater
NUSA only has a 10% literacy rate and no official schooling system. Lorewise the best schooled demographic in NUSA is the Nomads. Since they actually take care of their own and they even open classic schools quite often.
Honestly what I lived about her was she wasn't this cunning femme fatale, just a fucking prostitute that got eyes too big for her stomach and got in over her head. I found that to be a subversion of 'the spidewoman' you usually get in Noir.
In the end, she was just another hopeless idiot trying to play a rigged game, she didn't have any insider knowledge or anything.
>In the end, she was just another hopeless idiot trying to play a rigged game
That's Cyberpunk's theme, after all.
do we have hope for content of cyberpunk in the future i feel like the game is still very promising but i think it needs more quality of life mechanics
Will there even be more DLC after this?
It's been, like, fuck, three or four years already.
I think they mentioned this would be the only story DLC? Not entirely sure though.
Seems like after this they'll mainly be working on some kind of sequel to this game.
No more 2077 content
The Cyberpunk IP however will keep going strong, they even teased something with the Edgerunners studio again
I mean where else could Lucy's story go?
They don't have to follow her. Could do an anthology thing with even more poor assholes in NC.
For 2077? No
However, they stated to the investors that development for the next game starts in 2024.
The reason behind this is it would be better for them to start from the zero doing everything right this time than to keep adding content in 2077
what a fags i hope they release (leak) the source code of the game soon (again but this time updated and complete)
Gee, I can't for 2077 2 in 2035
Feels like a shame that they spent 3 years fixing 2077 and are moving onto the next thing so quickly, the game in its current state could really be the foundation for more quality content if they wanted it to be. I guess writing-wise their hands are kinda tied by keanu chungus and V's imminent death, and they'd rather try again hopefully having learned something from the shitshow that was 2077's release
> I guess writing-wise their hands are kinda tied by keanu chungus and V's imminent death,
That especially hampers anything they can add to the game.
It was a really really really stupid idea to restrict everything to a 2-3 week period with an imminent cancer death. Completely destroys any creativity you can have with fresh DLC and storylines. Everything has to be shoehorned into this timeframe and has to revolve around the cancer, nothing else, because it's the only relevant thing driving V's actions. You can't be like, ok let's fuck up arasaka's shit on the moon or something like that, because why would V care about that when they're dead within days if they dont get this chip figured out.
pidgenholed themselves something fierce
They should have kept the relic and Johnny in V's head but bullshit up some reason for it beyond getting shot in the head. Introduce the dying plot point for act 3 like have V die and revive during the Oda boss fight and have that kick start the whole last act
I'm going to say unlikely. Witcher 3 only go one huge DLC too. They seem to like just making one huge DLC.
They've said 2077 is done. They might release a few more bugfix patches but they're opening a new north american studio and moving most of the cyberpunk team to it to work on Orion. I believe they're making that NA studio so they can have access to more skilled programmers because their talent pool definitely didn't add up to the scale of the project they had in mind with Cyberpunk.
is natural, they are retarded for not releasing their engine to the open.
>more people playing with your engine = more people to hire and less money to spend on training
Yeah, it's unfortunate but I can tell from phantom liberty that they simply don't have it in them to fix the issues with the engine. All the major problems are still there. They didn't even bother fleshing out third person at all when it obviously would've improved photomode a shitload (and has been an even bigger request by players than the stupid fucking police chases) to be able to freeze time and take screenshots with the 3rd person model rather than spawning a new model in the scene that isn't your actual avatar and only giving you poses to create a facsimile of what was going on when you hit the photomode button.
Their engine is actually really well optimized, and it looks great, but it has a lot of clear architectural issues they can't fix.
So the main issue is that the doll house players didn't get what they wanted
The main issue is that the engine is jank and the lack of 3rd person perspective is a clear indication of that - they can't even stop time and play the characters' animations from a 3rd person perspective, the engine fucks it up immensely. Even the 3rd person mod has your character looking like some fucking slenderman nightmare because of the rigging issues, and your head ends up being weirdly implemented like it's being rendered by a completely different engine entirely.
It belies serious problems. Photomode shouldn't be so jank that activating photomode requires deleting the players' actual avatar and spawning a 'photomode version' into the scene. It's absurd, and is the kind of issue that you start to notice here and there in the game - like NPC's lacking a lot of reactivity and having pathing issues, or cars having complex driving mechanics under the hood but the engine is still only able to make vehicles skate around like they're on ice and aren't actually cars at all.
Yes but its impossible to as she is just another whore.
She was a fucking retard with a big dream, same as V. Difference is, V got lucky with the chip.
You're "supposed" to recognize her as what you could have been.
Jackie is already that
yes but he's just the muscle. The girl was the smarts. V has both, and also got lucky with the chip.
>the smarts
She was a literal whore who only lucked into that gig in the first place because Yorinobu took a shine to her robo-tits, and then proceeded to double cross literally everyone she dealt with leading to her death. Not exactly what I'd call smart
reminder that Yorinuobu is literally, directly, trying to dismantle Arasaka. Not saying he's a good guy, but he's trying to break Arasaka from the inside
I don't disagree, my point was that Evelyn was dumb as shit
I didn't initially feel that bad for her since she was in a 'dug her own grave' situation, especially when she went back to Clouds, but I still didn't think she deserved to be tortured physically and mentally in a techno sex pit.
Plus the suicide scene was reasonably well done IMO, especially the slow fade from the initial pang of audio when you enter the bathroom to the 'never fade away' track. https://youtu.be/4QWVcrk8syg?si=-7soE2xROUmBKnKt&t=105
i'm not a simp but i just wanted to save her to make the passes and get the info about the blue eyed man that she has
on one hand
>Tried fucking working with the pro_AI faction of the voodoo boys
>Tried doublecrossing yorinobu fucking arisaka with no exit strategy
>Sent V and Jackie on a suicide mission
obscenely fucking retarded
However on the other hand
>Tried fucking over the VDBs by selling them out to netwatch
rare fem-gonk W.
>want to sell out voodoo boys to netwatch
>but if I do I can't slaughter them personally
also you have to kill netwatch bro
Sell them out. Netwatch gives them a death more painful than anything that can be done physically. Imagine every single nerve ending on your body on fire, then your bones and all the chrome in you burns you from the inside out like a bad cellphone battery. Their only relief is when their brain gets cooked to the point of non-functioning in their own skull.
Netrunning is FUCKING brutal
its funny that even a fed manages to be more tolerable and trustworthy than the fucking voodoo boys.
He's more tolerable but he sure as hell isn't more trustworthy, he pulls the exact same shit the VDB did. They're all just users and abusers. There's no morality, trust, or friendship with any of these groups, just pure psychopathy at every single turn.
Jackie and Viktor are probably the only honest and trustworthy people V's had in his entire life. Jackie especially.
> he pulls the exact same shit the VDB did.
nta but I'm more inclined to forgive them since at least netwatch is actually trying to stop the VDB from ripping down the blackwall and effectively dooming humanity.
exact same shit, not really. don't they just put a tracker on you and its gone thanks to alt? they don't actively try to kill you instantly.
you also need netwatch around as much as possible because you know, in most endings you massively empower the fucked up blackwall AI alt with a bunch of souls.
They put a virus in you, and probably a kill switch
alt removes it but I don't think there's any way to progress that part of the story without either netwatch or vdb having a literal gun to your head
> Sent V and Jackie on a suicide mission
Technically, that was Dex. She just hired him, and he set up the details of how the heist would actually work.
>gonk
I've seen people unironically saying preem and choom online recently. The future is here
Schway
Corpo seems to have taken a bigger hold in the mainstream.
Are you people really that retarded? Its incredible how like 90% of you missed the point. No, you were not supposed to 'feel sorry for her'. V was mostly confused and felt bad because of the horrors Evelyn went through, in the same way you (or any sane non-edgelord person) would feel bad watching a cartel execution. Did you have time to develop a relationship and get to know this random mexican? No. Do you feel pity for him getting boiled in acid alive? Kinda. V didnt really give a fuck about Evelyn and its made very obvious in the game, he meets her like twice, exchanges maybe 5 sentences tops and then she dies. You were supposed to feel sorry for Judy. The fact that you DIDNT feel sorry for Ev is just points for the writers because that was the intention at that point in the game.
>want to do a netrunner build for a playthrough
>simply don't find it fun compared to just shooting or meleeing motherfuckers
With the DLC you can easily max out 3 stats and get another to the second tier of skills. So you could still melee/shoot while still being a force of nature with quick hacks. Besides, with how the game works now, there's a huge amount of incentive to use the monowire as a netrunner since it builds up your RAM and can spread quick hacks.
Does it make me a toxic angry incel if I was glad she got offed?
No. Only if you cared. Being normal is the correct path.
One of my hopes for new game or animation story content is that they really lean into the looming AI problem. Quests like Dream On and that one cyberpsycho mission where they summon a demon on your ass were some of the best bits in the game. Insane conspiracies and rogue AI being so advanced they're otherworldly beings for all intents and purposes. Give me more of that shit.
Apperantly all the humans are gone from busan due to a bioweapon during the 4th corporate war, but all the machines are still going. might be AIs making a war machine stockpile?
No, and the game never tells you to feel sorry either. The entire point is that there aren't any good people in Night City because the city itself corrupts everyone.
and misty? and my headcanon cutie V's wife?
No, you were supposed to laugh, I know I did.
>whore dies
Feels inevitable
>Whore is tortured for a week by snuff pornographers and is all but lobotomized, then uses het last twelve brain cells to kill herself
That's fuckin brutal
Pretty sure she got lobotomized by netwatch/VDB/arasaka (I have no idea which but honestly they all would've been out to fuck her) rather than by the scavs or her pimp
Nah, there are emails and logs in the scav den that mention that she was cognizant and that they tortured her repeatedly for their snuff BDs
voodoos is the implication (it might be explicitly confirmed somewhere but i cant recall) the other two would've been able to finish the job
She was already fucked up by the voodoo boys, but she could've been reasonably fixed if someone who actually gave a shit helped her, rather than Forrest and Fingers, who just did the bare minimum cheap look-over and then wrote her off as a lost cause to go get scrapped.
But going through the sex dungeon torture made her completely unrecoverable.
VDBs spiked her through Clouds' firewall so Woodman offloaded her to Fingers, and then Fingers sold her to the scavs through Wakako.
Wakako was an old cunt. Why do we not have the option to kill her?
Because she pays well and has connections to Arasaka and Tyger Claws.
Because V knows that Wakako is just like any other random fixer, they have their own interests and shit to handle. You're just supposed to shut up and either do the work she offers you or fuck off.
Speaking of Fixers, all things considered Dex and Faraday were really bad fixers. Dex failed to do his homework after fucking off for years, and Faraday even before meeting Main's gang had a tendency to betray fixers he hired.
It was pretty clear for anyone paying attention that Dex definitely an out of touch has-been, and only trying to string along one last job so he could feel like he mattered again and/or so he could just retire.
It's actually pretty funny how basically every character you bring up Dex's name to shit-talks him and either say outright or imply that you're pathetic for being used by him.
She was literally raped to death
here's your average so mi cuck
There's a lack of relation building in this game. it's impossible for me to directly feel empathy for digital characters without me talking and spending time with them. The tiny amount of time spending works for romance options, because of the romance itself, but for the other characters, they really need to make me first care about them before trying to throw them under the bus.
why would anyone fuck a doll. what’s the appeal
my doll:
is better looking than 95% of biofoids
has no standards and no expectations; will never turn me down or call me a creep etc.
is mine and only mine. i'm the only one she has ever and will ever have sex with
is ready for sex whenever I am and never "not in the mood"
can deep throat
i don't have to spend money maintaining a relationship with her and entertaining her just to fuck
doesn't yak my ear off with female shit I don't care about
holy incel
I've fucked more real women than you've dreamed of fucking. I prefer my doll.
>I've fucked more real women than you've dreamed of fucking. I prefer my doll.
Let me guess; all prostitutes you hired?
Her story is meant to illustrate how inescapably fucked you are in night city. Especially if you take on the big players. Like a more grim parallel to V's on story.
the black netwatch guy in the DLC gig actually keeps his word 100% with no caveats if you help him out
What game?
>Implying anyone would have a soft spot for the femme fetale
Fuck women.
How the fuck did CDPR get away with making only nomad hippies, a chick high on incense that reads horoscopes, and the fucking future CIA the only people that don't backstab you and actually make good on their promises?
Even the tranny in the pro tranny quests backstabs you and you have to practically be a zen buddhist master in dialogue to save the guy who actually did nothing wrong.
That quest was so fucking stupid. The fact that you have the option to tell her that you just wanna focus on winning the race and she accepts and then still chimps out if you don't completely abandon the race is bad enough, but on top of that the guy never actually did anything wrong? Do they actually think Claire came off remotely sympathetic or even sane in that quest?
I find it weird there is no phantom liberty ending where you can fuck over the NUSA with releasing the cynosure research data or the neural matrix data . I mean that was the whole point of what hensen was after and you uncover their base as well. You'd think that would be a pretty obvious potential plot choice considering they had all the plot beats leading up to something like that.
idgaf. i want sex
Probably they didn't want to make any ending that would significantly affect the NUSA, for reasons of not fucking up the setting and having it go on, canon, in the future.
But yeah I wish you could've killed that bitch. 20 elite bodyguards? Who gives a fuck, I'm a fucking cyberpsycho that's pretending to be normal
They beat you over the head worse when it came to trying to make you like Songbird. I also made sure she had the worst ending possible.
I was incredibly drunk at like 2am when I played this scene and it spooked the shit out of me and caught me really off guard
what really scared me was the game becoming dogshit
those lips were handcrafted by God to serve my penis
Fucking made me want to play Alien isolation.
Only got fucked up by the bot once, and that was for failing to shut the airlock in time before the machina lobotomised V
You're not supposed to feel sorry for her because she was unjustly wronged or deserved better. You're supposed to feel sorry for her because she's stupid, pathetic and pityable. You go in believing that she's some master seductress femme fatale, then it's revealed she was just a uppity call girl trying to steal her client's wallet.
I felt a little bit sorry sure, but she is also retarded for thinking she would get away with it.
>le every death scenes should be meaningful
zoomers were mistake
>how to kill a scene youre in, in 1 easy step: short hair
Once id have cared but ive seen her cunt uncensored so idgaf anymore.
fag.
All shiny and chrome.
There is an entire quest line dedicated to her death and its aftermath. I think it's meant to be meaningful.
I didn't play for a few months and played her death quest and had no idea who tf she was or why judy cared.
Cyberpunk has the most forgettable characters and quests imaginable
Nope, you just have the memory of a goldfish.
NTA but you literally meet this bitch one time, before she is mindbroken and no longer lucid. Then she dies. She is a literal who that the audience has no reason to care about whatsoever.
>it's another "Chud doesn't feel empathy"-thread
many such cases
> gets hired by VDB’s
> Betrays them
> hires fixer
> plan goes to shit
> pretend nothing happened
> VDB’s almost kill her
> pimp (who seemingly confesses to raping her) takes her to back alley doctor
> doctor sells her to Snuff film creeps
> she gets tortured, raped, forced to do horrible things to herself and presumably others
> eventually commits suicide
I feel bad for the women who sadly relate to the end part but Evelyn personally? She went to Dex, she started this chain of events, if she just did what the VDB’s asked then she’d be fine, maybe a little richer.
>le ranyonet
>not being executed as soon as the VDBs got what they wanted
They tried to fry you for much less. There is literally no reason to have any amount of faith in the VDBs.
>betrays them
She didn't get to the part where she betrays the VDB. That would have come after actually getting the Relic
What I'm curious is if she'd have betrayed us, assuming we agreed to cut out Dexter
This is my main problem with the game. Everybody is like hurr durr the death of jackie is so emotional. Why ? We knew him for an hour.
T-bug, "The greatest crimes issue from a desire for excess and not from necessity."
Holy shit that was some self fulling prophecy. If T-bug followed Aristotle's philosophy, she'd reject the job and be alive.
she clearly did
>Was I supposed to?
Yes.
>Did 99% of players?
No.
Well yeah. Just another reason to a kill any VDB on sight.
>don't side with glowies
>still cleanse the voodoo hole while Archangel is stuck in a loop
Kino. For Jackie and T-Bug and a bit for Evelyn.
I felt bad she got abused but bitch deserved to be killed for thinking shes super smart and gonna trick everyone. No one deserves to be used for abuse porn
Who is better in charge, Saburo or his son?
They just released a VR mod that turns CP2077 into full VR with tracking scale room etc. I am so fucking mad i already finished the game without it, it would have been such a fucking insane experience god fucking damn it
No, just like you weren't supposed to feel bad for jackie
>dude lmao the guy you knew for 15 minutes is dead, don't you feel bad sir???
It was a big mistake to just kill him off so early. The first half or two thirds of the game should have been the events that happen in that montage after the prologue, you and Jackie working your way up
I just wish there was a way to save Jackie because all subsequent allies afterwards have been bad. Least with the brief time you were with Jackie you were friends.
>man this character was a huge cunt, surely she deserved to be sexually abused and used to record hardcore torture porn through the usage of a dystopian brain chip that renders her a prisoner in her own head.
Even if her crime was genocide and not just trying to cut out some fat nagger from the payday, no she didn't deserve it. Not as if Dexter turned out to be anyone worthy of V's respect either.