>You see...james, it was then and there when mary was dyieying in your arms, because the mga republicans had rolled back obamacare, it was in that instant that I realized the world was a [PYRAMID] scheme all along.. >You what!? THATS NUTS! -- said the squirrell
After playing through 2 I honestly don't know why people latched onto him. He does make a brief appearances in each of the major "dungeons", but ... those were spread out and aside from whatever he was doing with those nurses, he never felt that intimidating or even that important. Just some irritant that would show up from time to time. I mean the first time you see the guy you kick his ass until he runs away.
Ignore the remake, this is a game that never needed a remake. Games like RE2 and 3 could have used a remake because it's really old clunky design, though I would have preferred something that didn't change so much of the layout with trash everywhere.
Silent Hill 2 is good as is, they're not enhancing it in any way but making another "muh modern audience" version. The changed dub in the HD version was bad as it was, the original voice acting was weird as hell and fit the game's design like a glove.
>I hope the remake won't create some gay backstory for him.
He's literally James' manifestation of desire to punish himself. He probably looks like James under the mask, hence why he needs the mask in the first place.
Yeah that's what makes him so disturbing and distressing. It's not really easy to figure out its role in the storyline and Heather needs to die you have to try and make a bit of sense what Valtiel is actually doing with her body. I know devs cleared up his purpose in Book of Memories but no player is going to have that knowledge in his first playthrough Silent Hill 3 and feel safe around a creature constantly poking at the main protagonist at different points in the game while doing some eerie and dreadful shit around it. The fact that it never attacks like an enemy or boss just leaves you more anxious.
Nemesis is a genuine threat though. It never feels like you can tackle it head-on when you first play the game (because when you attempt to do so you fail miserably and die quickly) while you fight and encounter Pyramid Head several times through out the game and never feel a sense of urgency, just surprise that it's still "chasing" you down.
>tfw still not sure if this really was a corny plot twist or just a stupid post-ironic joke by Vincent
The Missionary and Leonard would probably be real people but completely transfigured because of what they represent to Heather's inner persona. Rest of the monsters are probably just symbolic in nature and most likely Vincent knew this too so he was just fucking with Heather's psyche.
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I was 16 when SH2 came out and I thought it was so smart and sophisticated. I was deep into my weeb phase at the time.
Well, it's a great adapation of Lost Highway to the vydia medium, it has a phenomenal storyline and ideas blended with horror tropes which was unprecedented in videogames back then. It's deserving of its praise.
Silent Hill 2 deserves all the praise it gets. It's a groundbreaking game. I think fags on /vr/ just think it's funny to come to Silent Hill threads and shit on SH2 to cause conflict.
He's not "good", just as he's not "evil" either. James himself says in the finale that he is his own need for atonement from murdering Mary. Rather then truly "punish" James in a traditional physical sense, he does so more mentally/emotionally with the killings of Maria. He leads James closer to the truth but doesn't make judgement on him, ultimately leaving James to make his own decision with the knowledge of his guilt.
That wasn’t so much a criticism of Silent Hill 2 as it is of played out modern horror. I can’t think of the last monster movie I saw that wasn’t some sort of metaphor for grief/trauma/mental illness.
When I first saw The Babadook, I thought it was a pretty clever allegorical horror movie and still do. Now every horror movie does it, most recently Smile and The Boogyman.
If you ask me people always misinterprate that line. Douglas sees monsters too, a piece of dialogue added to make it clear it's not just inside Heather's head.
What Vincent meant by this is that they don't look like monsters -to him-. In case you haven't realized that entire plot point is him revelling into *his* vision of paradise. He leaves in that goddamn church basement, they're comrades to him.
I got a fucking letter.
The name on the fucking envelope said 'Mary.'
My wife's fucking name...
It's fucking ridiculous, couldn't possibly be fucking true...
That's what I fucking keep telling myself...
A dead fucking person can't write a fucking letter.
Mary fucking died of that fucking disease three years ago.
So then why the fuck am I looking for her'
Our 'special fucking place'...
What the fuck could she fucking mean'
This whole fucking town was our special fucking place.
Does she fucking mean the park on the fucking lake'
We spent the whole fucking day there.
Just the two of us, staring at the fucking water.
Could fucking Mary really be there'
Is she really fucking alive... fucking waiting for me'
Pyramid Head doesn't have a side. It exists via projection from James powered by Silent Hill's evil as the executioner he thinks he needs to be killed by for suffocating his sick wife with a pillow, which then after he finally remembers he actually did this decides he doesn't need him anymore and kills it, becoming a stronger person.
>have gun in hand
>AGH, HIS GRIP IS TOO STRONG, I'M CHOKING AND CLEARLY WITHOUT OPTION
James is canonically dumb so it fits.
We'll soon find out in Bloober Team's spine-tingling origin story for this beloved character!
>You see...james, it was then and there when mary was dyieying in your arms, because the mga republicans had rolled back obamacare, it was in that instant that I realized the world was a [PYRAMID] scheme all along..
>You what!? THATS NUTS! -- said the squirrell
After playing through 2 I honestly don't know why people latched onto him. He does make a brief appearances in each of the major "dungeons", but ... those were spread out and aside from whatever he was doing with those nurses, he never felt that intimidating or even that important. Just some irritant that would show up from time to time. I mean the first time you see the guy you kick his ass until he runs away.
I thought his murky role as a mysterious punisher/executioner was really interesting. I hope the remake won't create some gay backstory for him.
I'll say it was really sick when you just stumble into his little apartment cave later on.
Ignore the remake, this is a game that never needed a remake. Games like RE2 and 3 could have used a remake because it's really old clunky design, though I would have preferred something that didn't change so much of the layout with trash everywhere.
Silent Hill 2 is good as is, they're not enhancing it in any way but making another "muh modern audience" version. The changed dub in the HD version was bad as it was, the original voice acting was weird as hell and fit the game's design like a glove.
>really old clunky design
>I hope the remake won't create some gay backstory for him.
He's literally James' manifestation of desire to punish himself. He probably looks like James under the mask, hence why he needs the mask in the first place.
Wasn't the gist that the pyramid was his actual head?
Because it's a good fucking design.
I thought Valtiel was more spooky and creepy. Following you everyone but never approaching, like a stalker waiting for the right opportunity.
I don't think he was ever going to attack Heather since she was carrying God. Valtiel also has Pyramid head's body.
Yeah that's what makes him so disturbing and distressing. It's not really easy to figure out its role in the storyline and Heather needs to die you have to try and make a bit of sense what Valtiel is actually doing with her body. I know devs cleared up his purpose in Book of Memories but no player is going to have that knowledge in his first playthrough Silent Hill 3 and feel safe around a creature constantly poking at the main protagonist at different points in the game while doing some eerie and dreadful shit around it. The fact that it never attacks like an enemy or boss just leaves you more anxious.
>I thought Valtiel was more spooky and creepy
I mean Pyramid Head isn't even creepy, he's just 'cool'. Like Nemesis from RE3
Nemesis is a genuine threat though. It never feels like you can tackle it head-on when you first play the game (because when you attempt to do so you fail miserably and die quickly) while you fight and encounter Pyramid Head several times through out the game and never feel a sense of urgency, just surprise that it's still "chasing" you down.
The Missionary and Leonard would probably be real people but completely transfigured because of what they represent to Heather's inner persona. Rest of the monsters are probably just symbolic in nature and most likely Vincent knew this too so he was just fucking with Heather's psyche.
Well, it's a great adapation of Lost Highway to the vydia medium, it has a phenomenal storyline and ideas blended with horror tropes which was unprecedented in videogames back then. It's deserving of its praise.
Silent Hill 2 deserves all the praise it gets. It's a groundbreaking game. I think fags on /vr/ just think it's funny to come to Silent Hill threads and shit on SH2 to cause conflict.
>It's a groundbreaking game.
It broke the ground it stood upon and ruined video games forever.
We're talking about Silent Hill 2 not Halo
I think bot farms are so desperate to spread their shit they even visit one of the slowest boards on the site.
Con Air was filmed in Silent Hill and they were storing costumes in that room.
Valtiel was protecting Heather.
it was mannequins, they were having an orgy. It was all consensual.
He's not "good", just as he's not "evil" either. James himself says in the finale that he is his own need for atonement from murdering Mary. Rather then truly "punish" James in a traditional physical sense, he does so more mentally/emotionally with the killings of Maria. He leads James closer to the truth but doesn't make judgement on him, ultimately leaving James to make his own decision with the knowledge of his guilt.
He's literally me
Little did I realize back in 2001 how sick I’d be of 'the real monster was trauma all along' horror trope in 2023.
I was 16 when SH2 came out and I thought it was so smart and sophisticated. I was deep into my weeb phase at the time.
Would you prefer if the devil in western canon was just a really strong monster that breathed fire and stabbed people with a trident?
That wasn’t so much a criticism of Silent Hill 2 as it is of played out modern horror. I can’t think of the last monster movie I saw that wasn’t some sort of metaphor for grief/trauma/mental illness.
When I first saw The Babadook, I thought it was a pretty clever allegorical horror movie and still do. Now every horror movie does it, most recently Smile and The Boogyman.
>Imaginary monsters
>Horror
>silent hill
>imaginary monsters
They look like monsters to you?
>tfw still not sure if this really was a corny plot twist or just a stupid post-ironic joke by Vincent
If you ask me people always misinterprate that line. Douglas sees monsters too, a piece of dialogue added to make it clear it's not just inside Heather's head.
What Vincent meant by this is that they don't look like monsters -to him-. In case you haven't realized that entire plot point is him revelling into *his* vision of paradise. He leaves in that goddamn church basement, they're comrades to him.
I got a fucking letter.
The name on the fucking envelope said 'Mary.'
My wife's fucking name...
It's fucking ridiculous, couldn't possibly be fucking true...
That's what I fucking keep telling myself...
A dead fucking person can't write a fucking letter.
Mary fucking died of that fucking disease three years ago.
So then why the fuck am I looking for her'
Our 'special fucking place'...
What the fuck could she fucking mean'
This whole fucking town was our special fucking place.
Does she fucking mean the park on the fucking lake'
We spent the whole fucking day there.
Just the two of us, staring at the fucking water.
Could fucking Mary really be there'
Is she really fucking alive... fucking waiting for me'
Depressingly accurate.
He represented James' repressed sexuality, so no.
Pyramid Head doesn't have a side. It exists via projection from James powered by Silent Hill's evil as the executioner he thinks he needs to be killed by for suffocating his sick wife with a pillow, which then after he finally remembers he actually did this decides he doesn't need him anymore and kills it, becoming a stronger person.
I think Silent Hill is a pretty cool guy. Eh raeps the mannequins and doesn’t afraid of anything.
Masahiro Ito revealed that Pyramid Head is a guardian angel guiding James to the truth.
isnt pyramid head just James' evil ego portion of himself?