>watched 2 hours of Elden Ring lore videos. >still don't know what's going on

>watched 2 hours of Elden Ring lore videos
>still don't know what's going on

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its literally the plot of Dark Souls 1, but instead of Lord souls you collect fragments of the Elden Ring.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i play and finish too many games back to back to even know what is going on in them, let alone remember that after a few weeks, if not month or years

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All from games have the exact same plot, they just change the words around.

      >You are the (chosen one)
      >You will journey to obtain the (mcguffins)
      >You will then restore (order) or destroy it

      That's it. That's every story. It's all the same vague shit as an excuse to get you to the end where you say 'yeah no frick the world' or 'yeah i save the world' with literally no nuance or explanations whatsoever.
      Out of all the things I really dislike about these games and the culture they spawned, the lore is the absolute worst. Because liking the games I could at least understand, when every game out there is babymode easy and borderline a capeshit movie, yeah, even a turd looks attractive if it doesn't do those things.
      But the fricking lore is pure fricking brainrot. It's literally morons making shit up and acting as if any of it is in the game.
      Every single From game could have 0 npcs and it would play out exactly the fricking same.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's pretty much headcanon: the game

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >>You are the (chosen one)
        >>You will journey to obtain the (mcguffins)
        >>You will then restore (order) or destroy it
        This doesn't happen in Bloodborne thoughever.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bloodborne tells you to seek paleblood, then the game literally never mentions it again

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The game actually does by a few NPC's and a note, which reveals what the Paleblood is, and you do in fact find it assuming you find the right items and make the right choices.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        honestly you're fricking moronic you know why From Software games have such a good lore and so many people talking about the lore?
        Because Miyazaki doesn't explain everything, he leaves clues and shit for people to put the puzzle together.
        You're not seeing this honestly, you come off as a female who's too moronic to appreciate this.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          he's right and zanzibart story telling is just a cope, it's just a bunch of flavor text, nothing deep

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Can you name a good story in video games, so I can laugh? What game has a deep story and don't fricking think of FF.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Planet Escape Torment
              Disco Elysium
              Kentucky Route Zero
              Witcher 3
              Baldur's Gate 3
              Fallout new vegas

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ok I'll give you that you won this argument, but they have dogshit gameplay. I still think From Software have good lore you just need to search for it and that's the magic, something you don't seem to understand.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I still think From Software have good lore
                only newbie morons think this. The only game with good lore is DS1 and ds3 and that's because they explain everything in the opening cinematic. In all their other games they have no opening cinematic to constrain them so they write no concrete lore.

                Elden ring has no lore because it has no cinematic. It has no lore because the black knives plot which GRRM wrote has nothing to do with the game.

                >Black knives happened
                >godwyn is killed
                >why?
                >don't know
                >but uh godwhyn is why there's skeletons

                They literally just took what GRRM wrote and then hastily stuck elements in random places to try and make it look like it means something

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Godwyn was meant to become Elden Lord with Ranni as the new God. Ranni didn't want that so he killed him.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It's good because unless you put work into understanding it you'll never figure out that the lore doesn't matter and makes no sense.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          close, but not quite.
          it's not that Miyazaki doesn't explain everything, is that there is no 'everything'.
          Only 20% of the story is written, the rest is left for you to make up. He himself says this.

          You sound like a moronic underageban. Read a book sometime. You'll understand when you're older, you don't have to pretend everything about a game is amazing just because you like it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong. Ds1 and ds3 are 100% explained. All the side shit is where they stopped trying. Elden rings "story" is treated like side content

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Only 20% of the story is written, the rest is left for you to make up. He himself says this.
            I know this, this why the lore and story are good because they leave room for you to interpret it.
            Unlike how it's done in western games because the developer think the average person playing their video games is a fricking moronic fat Trump voting American subhuman.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >this why the lore and story are good because they leave room for you to interpret it.
              Morrowind does that too, and manages to do so without being an incoherent mess.
              Morrowind's approach to interpretation is like giving you five different books on the same subject that all disagree on various points and letting you piece together, to what extent each of them are right or wrong, while also having a solid story to ground it all.
              FromSoft's approach to interpretation is giving you an unfinished book with half the pages torn off and letting you fill in the blanks with whatever bullshit you like. It's lazy and devoid of substance.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're comparing apple to oranges, Morrowind is an RPG and Elden Ring is an action rpg.
                Though, I agree with you.
                >It's lazy and devoid of substance.
                not on this though because story and lore aren't the primary focus of this game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not the focus doesn't mean it can't be criticized. Though I agree it's really not a huge flaw or anything. The lore is little more than window dressing but it also doesn't get in the way so that's fine. And there is an impressive attention to detail in parts, so it's not like there's nothing at all praiseworthy about how it's handled. It's just that those details never add up to anything meaningful.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >five different books on the same subject that all disagree on various points
                This is because Bethesda literally does not give a frick about coherence.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Low IQ take. It does care about coherence, the game actually gives you "correct" answer. You can never be 100% sure, but it's close enough, just like in real life.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                According to Douglas Goodall this isn't really true
                >Ken and I also disagreed on "relativism" and "betrayal," among other things. I appreciate disinformation, but I believe it works best when you know what the truth is. I like to write a true account and then conceal it among carefully designed false accounts. Ken wrote a dozen different accounts, apparently without any personal preference to which, if any, was accurate, and ignored the contradictions.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not sure what exactly he's referring to, since I have a pretty good idea how stuff works in the Morrowind. I don't remember such story threads, that just lead to nowhere and contradict each other.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then you're no better than the people who claim to have a pretty good idea how the lore works in Elden Ring, since they unambiguously admitted it isn't coherent.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do understand that those guy didn't write all of the game's lore, right? Not to mention that it's Douglas account of events. Again, it's hard to tell what exactly he's reffering to, since I don't remember any loose plot points in the game. You generally get the a pretty good idea what is happening or what has happened.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which is all the more reason why it isn't coherent. Multiple writers, each with their own approach to writing the game, some with absolutely zero desire to make things coherent with themselves much less with the other writers. You're talking exactly like FromSoft loregays right now or really the loregays of any game who will always claim it actually makes pretty good sense even when the writers themselves say "lol idk".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ken Rolston was the Lead Designer on Morrowind so the rules he sets are pretty damn important. As an example of what he's referring to, here's from the interview itself
                >Sinder Velvin: Can you tell us what really happened during the Battle at Red Mountain? Who killed Nerevar and how did the Dwemer disappear?
                >Douglas Goodall: When I was at Bethesda, there was officially no answer. No one knew what really happened. They may have made up their minds now, but you'd have to ask a current employee.
                Apparently revealing the trick of the trade pissed off Kirkbride since he had a meltdown and threatened Imperial Library into removing the interview, lol.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Goodall: When I was at Bethesda, there was officially no answer. No one knew what really happened. They may have made up their minds now, but you'd have to ask a current employee.
                That's bullshit, since you can cross reference accounts and figure out Tribunal killed Nerevar. You even know how exactly he died, which later on influenced his depictions. Vivec even left a secret message. I guess you can always retcon stuff, but all in all, you get a pretty good undestanding of how battle of the red mountain went.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, you have an account of someone who was actively involved in the process reveal what the stance of Bethesda's writers as a collective on it was. That Kirkbride had Vivec throw in le sikrit message that may or may not be actually true doesn't mean jackshit when he was just one of the writers and all accounts were meant to be on equal grounds with each other due to Ken Rolston's directives. Insisting that you as a player know better than one of the guys who actually made the whole thing up is delusional.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe, but they handle their lack of fricks way more elegantly than does FromSoft. Crafting differing schools of thought on the subject of historical events or metaphysical realms, each with different intepretations from the others, is far more interesting, takes more effort, and does more to help the world seem real, than does FromSoft's approach of leaving all of that stuff completely blank.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oblivion main antagonist makes it 200% clear that there are different interpretations of how the Gods work.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only lore I've delved into was DS1

        You are not the chosen one. The prophecy was either made up to lure undead to lordran, or it's self-fulfilling and it happens only because people believe in it.

        Its debatable whether you're actually saving the world at the end. You might just be delaying the inevitable before the fires all die out.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Its debatable whether you're actually saving the world at the end. You might just be delaying the inevitable before the fires all die out.
          This is confirmed within DS1 and in DS3

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you're still somehow missing everything about Kaathe

          Gwyn went against nature to keep his age of fire, which only means he didn't want Humans to undergo whatever enlightening the Dark would make them go through.
          Gwyn actually saw the dark come and what it was doing to humans and it made him peepee poopoo scared.
          He gets Frampt as his mouthpiece, locks the grand archives up, locks Nito up, and go commits bonfire so the lowly humans can get propagandad into following him

          Kaathe is trying to break the dam to allow nature its course so that the serpents, humans, and the Dark Lord can rule.
          This continues into DS3 where From practically spells out for you
          >this is the world everyone who lit the fire made
          and its fricking awful
          But now Kaathe's plan has further developed, so you can actually still come out on top if you follow the Church of Londor, which Kaathe, revealed through JP dying Yuria dialogue, seems to have most likely founded.
          If you kill Yuria in JP she goes like
          >zanzibart, kaathe, forgive me
          literally naming Kaathe by name, who has presumably passed like Frampt.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You might just be delaying the inevitable before the fires all die out.
          Isnt that literally what DS3 was all about? Only played it once but I got the ending where everything goes dark and the Fire Keeper asks If I'm still there.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The worst part is they never explain what saving vs destroying the world even means, so they give you no actual reason to choose one of the other. It's just
        >random shit happens
        >Chosen one, will you save this cursed world or destroy it and usher in a new one???

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe if Dark Souls 1 plot was

      >What if Gwyn was working for space aliens, had a divorce, had a sex change (but also still existed), married and then divorced again only to frick himself.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        don't forget
        >had a bunch of kids. fricked around and found out, got crucified for it. kids fought a massive war that destroyed the world only for it to end in a standstill. fricked everything up so bad that the space aliens start an anime tournament arc to replace you.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I think it's a big problem with FS games. I understand you don't always need a linear story and for everything to be laid out for you. But after playing so many FS games where they all have "mysterious lore" and don't tell you this or that and make you "figure it out for yourself", it's tiresome.

    Just once I'd like to see them make a game with an exact story, and exact lore, no bullshit, no obfuscation, etc.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mystery and wonder are the beating heart of fantasy fiction lol; it’s what forms religions.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm perfectly fine with some. But their games are like.... 70% "mysterious lore" and 30% actually told to you. It's not that it's bad, it's that every game they've made in the last like 15 years is like that. It's banal. Their most linear story was Sekiro I guess and I thought that was great, and even then they still had lore stuff hidden away.

        Would it truly be so bad to flip the script and have the game tell you 60+% of the story outright while the rest of it is hidden away? I don't think so.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it’s what forms religions
        That explains the cult

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The beating heart of fantasy fiction is item descriptions?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No it's not, The Ring of Power is not left to an item description it's very clearly explained what it is, the purpose and effect.
            The Silmarils are described in detail through story what they are, their purpose and greater place in the World.
            Aragon's Sword Andúril is woven into the story, shown it's relevance it's connection to characters and given purpose when reforged he becomes King.
            In Elden Ring and Souls games items are just in the World sitting until the player finds them with an item description and it ends there. I'll put it another way:
            >What is the Ring of Power? It's purpose? Who made the One Ring?
            9/10 casual fans of Lord of the Rings who know of the story will be able to answer correctly.
            >What are the Elden rings? Who made them? The purpose?
            1/10 casual fans Elden Ring will be able to answer correctly.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >>What are the Elden rings? Who made them? The purpose?
              >1/10 casual fans Elden Ring will be able to answer correctly.
              you're implying there's an answer

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >>What is the Ring of Power? It's purpose? Who made the One Ring?
              isn't the only thing people know this because it's shoved down your throat?
              If you actually ask people what it does, they won't be able to answer it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Explaining through story how dangerous an item is, how powerful, why it's important means it's shoved down your throat

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The one ring power's are never clear.

                Have of the book you spend thinking why peopel crave such a cursed item.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Tolkien says it is, so it is, cope.

              Tolkien fricking despised modern man’s war against mystery and wonder in nature.

              If you don’t see the wonder and mystery in life, then you don’t truly appreciate it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The one ring power's are never clear.

                Have of the book you spend thinking why peopel crave such a cursed item.

                >9/10 casual fans of Lord of the Rings who know of the story will be able to answer correctly.
                Except I've never heard a casual fan accurately describe what the ring does and why Sauron needs it. The ring is...a weapon? It was made by Sauron's power, but somehow makes him more powerful? It turns people invisible, except for Sauron who can presumably do more (what?) with it? It would be terrible for Gandalf or Boromir to claim the ring, because...?
                In actuality, the one ring is much like the elden ring in that it is a physical stand-in for a larger concept. The one ring = power as such. The elden ring = order as such. Tolkien and Miyazaki are fine with this because they are nuanced thinkers and weren't aiming to speak to autists who demand that everything has black and white rules, despite those people being attracted to fantasy settings.

                It corrupts all those who are not Sauron, it's really not that deep. Maybe I was wrong and people truly have lost I.Q. points if they can't answer such a basic question.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It would explain why these rejects think elden ring's story makes sense when they don't understand the premise of the one ring in lotr

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What if I told you that the elves in Tolkien’s middle-earth don’t believe in magic? What if I told you that the black machines of Mordor are likened to black magic? Would you shit, piss and scream?

                Tolkien understood what magic/wonder is. The only low iq dolt here is you. Tolkien is rolling in his grave at the state of fantasy. If your elves believe in magic, you’re doing it wrong.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re not really putting forth a good argument.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How does it corrupt?
                Why does it corrupt?
                How does the corruption work?

                It's never explained.

                What are the ring pwoers?
                Why peopel want it if it brings so much missery?

                It's never explained.

                becuase it's not meant to.

                Same with elden ring.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Corrupts them to what end? This is why you are autistic. You view corruption as a status ailment, like your corruption score goes up. The answer, if you can conceive of it in your autism, is that it grants the power to dominate other wills, which is the very essence of power. "How" it does this is not important, just like it's not important "how" the elden ring structures reality in the lands between.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >9/10 casual fans of Lord of the Rings who know of the story will be able to answer correctly.
              Except I've never heard a casual fan accurately describe what the ring does and why Sauron needs it. The ring is...a weapon? It was made by Sauron's power, but somehow makes him more powerful? It turns people invisible, except for Sauron who can presumably do more (what?) with it? It would be terrible for Gandalf or Boromir to claim the ring, because...?
              In actuality, the one ring is much like the elden ring in that it is a physical stand-in for a larger concept. The one ring = power as such. The elden ring = order as such. Tolkien and Miyazaki are fine with this because they are nuanced thinkers and weren't aiming to speak to autists who demand that everything has black and white rules, despite those people being attracted to fantasy settings.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This 100% lord of the rings is such a bad exemple since they never explain what any magical item does.

                Like the crystal balls and the elf rings.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They’re not supposed to be explained. Once they’re explained it’s no longer magic, the same way elvish crafts aren’t magic to the elves, or how cellphones aren’t considered wants to modern day man (even though they totally are). It’s also why the black machinery of Mordor is reviled as witchcraft.

                It’s the same with the wizards, who are just Maia putting on a beard and a pointy hat. They’re veritable sages. They may as well be wizards, and the elves look to them the same way men and hobbits look to the elves. Magic is a bar. An angle.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >wants
                wands*

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So if it's ok in Lord of the rings why everything has to explained in Elden ring?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nothing is explained in Elden Ring, and the magics are all rather occult, and quite dangerous, or just risky to the body, and the stuff of stars, or glintstone, is a cancer from the stars. Staring into yellow crazy flames causes your eyes to melt or even explode out of their sockets. Consuming dragon hearts twists the body agonizingly into draconic form. Sorcerers are all mad scientists poking at alien crap. Ranni’s own moon spell is described as veiled in occult mystery. The Karalos pursue the mysteries of comets, etc. Magic is about mystery and wonder. Or scary shit, which falls into it. Heresy and dissent, even. An example would be the modern day mage, who is just the mad scientist—“ah sweet, man made horrors beyond my comprehension” and all that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They’re not supposed to be explained.
                Lord of the rings explains the stones communicate with another stone, there's also master stones which can communicate with more. Also the power of gandalf's ring is explained in the first book's appendix as being a morale buff

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                None of that is an explanation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're literally crystal balls that allow communication through them. It's not an alien concept you're just a Black person

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

                Those. Aren’t. The. Kind. Of. Explanations. They. Are. Referring. To. Frick.

                “This is a gun. It fires and it kills people” isn’t really a proper explanation for the why and how behind blackpowder either.

                Do you not remember Grima observing Saruman preparing bombs?

                Your idea of explanation is superficial, or surface level only.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're pretty desperate Black person

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                “It’s a crystal object that does magic stuff”

                That’s about as good of an explanation as the ancients looking to the stars in the night sky and considering them gods, which is the basis of our oldest religions.

                Like, sure, they have knowledge that dots of light can be seen in the night sky, but their explanation is lacking.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How does magic work in elden shart?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >how does magic work

                there are many forms of magic, please explain exactly what you mean so I can explain it to your stupid fricktarded ass

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You know magic, how does magic work in elden shart? Where does the mana come from? What are the spells you're picking up off the ground? Are you literally reading from a scroll to use magic?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you even play the game?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh okay so you can't actually explain how magic works in elden shart

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re not supposed to know, only tidbits.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just like you're supposed to turn your brain off for everything else. Was this game made for morons?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, Galileo Galilei refused to separate astrology from astronomy, and would go out of his way to offer prophetic readings and even entertain topics such as “should a Gemini date a Leo?”, no joke.

                Was he a moron? Was Isaac “the last magician” Newton also a moron?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you implying elden shart is as complex as astronomy?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No one is replying to you seriously because your question is fricking asinine. There are multiple different forms of magic in Elden Ring. I might as well tell you "it works because its magic". You are desperate and its embarrassing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Most of magic in elden ring comes from some outside force. Mostly Gods or stars (who in this game are beigns of great power).

                So you can speculate humans can't use magic naturally.

                There is sorcery - Star magic that use special blue crystals, since these crystals are fragments of stars.
                Divine magic - Connected to the greater will and the elden ring.
                Madness magic - Connected to the frenzy flame a bioproduct of chaos God.
                Rot magic - Connected to a fantastical type of cancer created by a Scarlet Goddess.
                Fire magic - Connected to the fire giant's God.
                Blood magic - Connected to a formless mother invisible but omnipresent being.

                Among other types, each has it's on tradtion, casting ways, visuals, elements and effects.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's interesting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

                Nothing is explained in Elden Ring, and the magics are all rather occult, and quite dangerous, or just risky to the body, and the stuff of stars, or glintstone, is a cancer from the stars. Staring into yellow crazy flames causes your eyes to melt or even explode out of their sockets. Consuming dragon hearts twists the body agonizingly into draconic form. Sorcerers are all mad scientists poking at alien crap. Ranni’s own moon spell is described as veiled in occult mystery. The Karalos pursue the mysteries of comets, etc. Magic is about mystery and wonder. Or scary shit, which falls into it. Heresy and dissent, even. An example would be the modern day mage, who is just the mad scientist—“ah sweet, man made horrors beyond my comprehension” and all that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The brightest physician of his day, a man known as the father of mineral medicinals, also thought that ejaculating into a horse’s vegana would produce an artificial magical being, also known as the homunculus.

                Can anyone tell me who that was? Anyone? I will give a (You) to anyone who can. It starts with a P.

                Anyway, that’s what Raya Lucarians are.

                See above.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Like the crystal balls and the elf rings.
                Except those are directly explained. The Palantirs are seeing stones. They let you see stuff. Sometimes they let other people see you, which might not be a good idea. The Elven Rings have the power to sustain. Galadriel is using hers to keep Lothlorian from fading.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Elven Rings have the power to sustain. Galadriel is using hers to keep Lothlorian from fading.
                She also sued her's to destroy the Witch's king fortress and all the rings seem to have some sort of elemental connotation.

                But again, how do the rings do that? It's never explained, same with the Elden ring, we don't know how it does it and I don't get why you want to know that.

                But we know what it does.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >how do the rings do that?
                Considering sauron is an angel and can manipulate the world song through his own "voice" or magic. The rings would be manifestations of creation itself, with the one ring being the evil ring which seems to dominate and the elven rings being the rings of essentially good fortune

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But that's only your interpretation and fan fiction.

                So you do exactly what you b***h about, hypocrite.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Those. Aren’t. The. Kind. Of. Explanations. They. Are. Referring. To. Frick.

                “This is a gun. It fires and it kills people” isn’t really a proper explanation for the why and how behind blackpowder either.

                Do you not remember Grima observing Saruman preparing bombs?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're asking for a mechanical explanation of magic which is an oxymoron. Tolkien talks about this in his letters if you care to read them. Galadriel hints to it also when she shows the mirror to Sam. Or you can just take all wonder out of it and speculate that the palantir use some crystal that resonates with your brainwaves or whatever.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I already know all of that, and I was the one who posted

                What if I told you that the elves in Tolkien’s middle-earth don’t believe in magic? What if I told you that the black machines of Mordor are likened to black magic? Would you shit, piss and scream?

                Tolkien understood what magic/wonder is. The only low iq dolt here is you. Tolkien is rolling in his grave at the state of fantasy. If your elves believe in magic, you’re doing it wrong.

                as I am fed up almost all the fricking time.

                Magic doesn’t actually exist in fiction, as it’s just a fricking angle. It exists the same way cold, or dark, exists. Absences.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s why it’s magic you dolt. It isn’t explained, and it’s out of the ordinary. It is wondrous, mysterious, etc.

                “Crystal shit that works wonders” is the magical sort of explanation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Crystal shit that works wonders" is magic. "Crystal shit that taps in o the power of the crystal shit dimension" is mechanical, and what autists in this thread seem to be demanding.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Crystal shit that taps in o the power of the crystal shit dimension
                That’s not any better of an explanation. If you tried explaining quantum mechanics to a person from antiquity, even someone like Democritus or Aristotle, you would sound like a lunatic, or a wizard.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That’s not any better of an explanation.
                The point is that it is a (mechanistic) explanation. There's cause and effect.
                >If you tried explaining quantum mechanics to a person from antiquity, even someone like Democritus or Aristotle
                They wouldn't be able to grasp the particulars but would certainly understand that you were invoking physical forces. It wouldn't change Aristotle's understanding of act and potency for example.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                “The stars are the protruding tips of the godhead’s endless number of cosmic dicks which jizz out glowy white energy” is also a mechanistic explanation

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah and it sucks and is unsatisfying because someone will just ask where the cosmic wieners came from. This is what I'm getting at. It's why Tolkien avoided a "magic system" and why Miyazaki keeps things vague.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m literally agreeing with you. “How much of a magic ritual is truly necessary? Does it matter?”.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >invoking physical forces
                Magic.
                When a wizard conjures a FIREball tthey are invoking physics
                (Don’t @ me I’m just being a wiener since the Greeks thought magic was from the sun)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >When a wizard conjures a FIREball tthey are invoking physics
                I like the Changeling TTRPG where spells are "contracts", so a fireball is an invocation of some arcane deal that fairies made eons ago with the concept of fire itself.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Mystery and wonder are the beating heart of fantasy fiction lol;
        It can be if it wants to but it isn't.

        I think keeping things mysterious like in FS games make the games feel pretentious.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It can be if it wants to but it isn't.
          You appear to be lying to yourself.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, I'm not. It's just not the main focus. Hiding lore to figure out is just pretentious and using it as an excuse for bad writing.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Religion is pretentious? Discovery is pretentious? I’d agree about execution, but…

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a religion where none of it is explained
                Ooohhh *waves fingers*

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s literally all religion everywhere.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're a Black person

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Religion is indistinguishable from magic. Cope.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't this all intended? It's based on the experience Miyazaki had when he was young, reading fantasy books but not fully understanding them because it was written in a language he hadn't mastered back then

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Miyazaki should be crucified in a bog

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Something being intended doesn’t make it immune from criticism. The fact that YouTubers describing the story of these games get about as many views as there are people who play the games suggests that people want a more conventional presentation.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think it suggests that at all, I think it suggests the opposite: players are invested in the lore and want to be told it's secrets after they play by someone else

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The fact that YouTubers describing the story of these games get about as many views as there are people who play the games suggests that people want a more conventional presentation.
          That actually says more about people. An inability to think for themselves. They are happier having someone explain things for them, rather than go out of their way to explain things to themselves. Critical thinking is disfavoured in favour of hand holding. It’s also cult-minded, to the point of religion, and game of thrones lore vids are similarly as bad and pretentious. The fact is, people would rather not think than think. They would rather turn to idiotic prophets like Vaati for From lore, or just shitters like Lightbringer for GoT lore.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The game sold 20 million copies. Not a single YouTuber has that many views. Also, this is an indication people want multimedia delivery of content, and being able to discuss media in greater depth.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is, the fans are just stupid to the point of hubris, thinking they know better. For all we know Miyazaki left shit mysterious even for himself, as George does.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes it is. Which is fine.
        Which is also why it's completely moronic when people start praising it and making 10 hour long videos on the Kingdom of Leyndell based on a total of 10 words in the game.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That’s just zealous pretentious. Learn to separate that shit. “Here’s a three hour video for something that have been summarized in less than three minutes”.

          You praise these games for its setting and ideas, not the affirmation of its barely concrete lore.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that could have been*

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is also how history worked in ancient times. Most historical records were poorly written, biased, lost and distorted by those in power. People looked at the world through a religious lens and couldn't know what was objectively real and what was not. Ironically we are slipping into such a situation once again due to constant glowie psyops, media manipulation and mass censorship.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sad state of affairs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Just once I'd like to see them make a game with an exact story, and exact lore, no bullshit, no obfuscation, etc.
      I recommend trying a book

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What do you suggest? A Game of Thrones?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Pillars of the Earth

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The way books do it is often way better though. If you read any epic fantasy, you usually go through these stages:

        >Who the frick are these people? What the frick are the names of these places people are throwing out? How the frick are they doing this magic shit?
        >Character gives explanation for some of the above.
        >Repeat until it "clicks" and you know feel like you can make predictions about where the story is headed.
        >One of your predictions was right, or was subverted and you feel pleasantly surprised. Neurons activate.

        It's why so many people will love a popular fantasy series and then there are always a few people that say they couldn't get past the first however-many chapters because it was too confusing. A lot of the series with more ambitious worldbuilding fall into the trap of introducing too much shit for people to keep straight until they've almost finished the first book. Elden Ring and other Dark Souls games are like that. People regularly finish one of the games and say they have no fricking clue what the story was about, but people that have spent tons of time playing or reading wiki pages will say they think the world is great. A good middle ground is where they player feels like they understand at least the main plot by the end, and preferably understands enough of the world to feel comfortable by about halfway through. Otherwise people lose interest.

        In a book, the stakes are higher because there's no "I just care about the gameplay" to fall back on. Books live and die on how well they handle the story. Elden Ring and others can just frick it up because people really just want to roll around and fight monsters.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Just once I'd like to see them make a game with an exact story, and exact lore, no bullshit, no obfuscation, etc.
      Both Sekiro and AC6 have this

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It’s almost like when they make it plain what the lore is, it is very obvious there is not much lore there at all, and all the deep lore is just people making fan fictions to figure out what never was really there

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a very simple story at its core:

      THE LAND IS IN CHAOS AND WITHOUT A RULER.
      ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO KILL ALL PRETENDERS AND SEIZE POWER?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Man I already played Dark Souls

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          only DS2 is like that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And 1, and 3, you obsessive brainrotted imbecile.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No it isn't. It's about being a prophesied hero.
              And why are you insulting me you fricking c**t?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'll still play the games, for as much as you hate the story presentation of FS games you're still going to buy them and play them. Not because you like them, but because you fell for the FOMO.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >played 80 hours
      >no idea what the plot is
      I feel you, from what i got, one day some sort of aliens arrived and brought new tech and people started fighting each other with it. All the mystical stuff is implied to be alien technology.

      I think its fine but for Elden Ring, its too much. Its such a large game you lose track of whats what. A somewhat more cohesive story would have been better.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think the only games I ever really understood what was properly happening were demon souls and dark souls, maybe a bit of bloodborne

        I really think it comes down to having a clear and concise opening/explanation, Dark Souls 2 has the same problem where it's just a bunch of cackling grannies talking shit and nothing is really explained, you just wander into a mish mash of concepts and ideas thrown at you, similar to Elden Ring
        I won't even mention DS3, which is just there as a "REMEMBER THIS?" to DS1

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day moron

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there's nothing going on any deeper than the what's on screen.
    lore videos are just schizo babble.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if it's not explained in-game, then I don't care.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All of it is explained in game. It's just as fragments so unless you have a photographic memory or are taking notes, it won't all come together because you missed important lore piece on useless crafting fodder item #13776 that recontextualizes what the lore in weapon #324 items description means- unless you remember the description from armor piece #427 as it let's you know zanzibart was a liar and should not be trusted and thus the lore from item #13776 should be ignored.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Souls games are great at looking like they know what they're talking about.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was ai generated by goerge
    u mad nerds

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dude you had the entire intro cutscene, Melina and Sir Gideon explaining everything to you throughout the game. It really isn't that complicated.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have 120 hours in the game and I don't know who the frick Sir Gideon is

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So you're just a moron who doesn't speak to NPCs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You literally fight him you dummy, the frick.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          zanzibar?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nah nah nah he is the first of the final 3 bosses of the game, stop it

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no you don't

          I have 120 hours in the game and I don't know who the frick Sir Gideon is

          me neither

          So you're just a moron who doesn't speak to NPCs

          oh so he's an npc? lmao who cares

          t. 250 years

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You didn't beat the game (Actual)

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i am on ng 6 ans have 250 hrs in the game, you are confusing godfrey and gideon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh of course, they're both so similar after all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're fricking trolling.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The game is only 120 hours long. What could you possibly be doing to not fight Gideon yet?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >only 120 hours
              anon i have 12 kids 3 jobs and a wife to deal with i can only play for 30 seconds a day, how much of a loser are you that you can play so much?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >i didnt pay attention to the texts and lore but i expect to know it
        very well done my friend. go for sewing next time maybe

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        THE AAAAAAALLL KNOWING

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fromsoft "lore" is just window dressing, you aren't supposed to take it seriously

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you weren't supposed to take it seriously they wouldn't present it in such an overly serious matter.
      It's there to sell the idea that you're in a world and serious shit is happening all around you. It's just up to you to decide how much of a frick you give.
      People who are intrigued and read item descriptions to learn more are just as valid as those who don't care. Saying "you're not supposed to care bro" feels like a huge misunderstanding of what Miyazaki is going for.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes, you would
        from games are about feeling and that's what's so powerful about it
        surely you dont think ghostbusters, naked gun, and airplane are serious movies just because the actors are taking their roles seriously and acting in a deadpan manner?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >surely you dont think ghostbusters, naked gun, and airplane are serious movies just because the actors are taking their roles seriously and acting in a deadpan manner?
          Boss characters in souls games aren't exactly slipping on banana peels when they talk, anon.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no, they feel magnificent and imposing
            all the seriousness is there to reinforce this, not for autistic people to nitpick every little bit and piece for lore videos

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It takes itself seriously by not taking itself seriously. Seriously, From wings pretty much everything. They’re just interpreting what George wrote them. It’s that simple.

        Also, they treat lore as secondary to the gameplay, to the point where inconsistent lore is everywhere, and enemy designers don’t give a flying frick about the lore.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What inconsistencies?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      exactly. its like flavortext on a magic the gathering card but a little more coherent.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody does. Don’t pretend otherwise.

    — "There are a huge number of things, that, while present in the game, we make no attempt to explain to the player, and many more that they simply have no way of finding out.”

    DLC is already shattering assumptions.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The gist is obvious and doesn't require lore videos.
    The details are intentionally ambiguous because you're not supposed to know the whole story, you're supposed to come to your own conclusions.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Basically the title of "God" is up for grabs for mortals, but it comes at a price. The game takes place when Marika is God, and she's actually over being a God, so she makes a plan to end her Godhood by causing a massive crisis - but it doesn't go very well. So Marika has to use her long forgotten undead army to fix everything, which is what were doing in the game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >over being God
      >engineers a plan that'll kill the next best candidate for Godhood

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I forgot more than Miyazaki was willing to write and it made sense. Play the game agin, but pay more attention

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >watched 2 hours of Elden Ring lore videos
    So you watched two videos?

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You also need to watch the Kings field lore videos... And dark souls... And demons souls... And armored core... Also Metal Wolf Chaos.
    Honestly every From Soft game takes place in the same universe, so you have a lot of catching up to do.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >read 10000 times "elden john (blank) the (blank) of the (blank) of the elden ring, Marika the trans b***h did (blank) because (blank). End"
    >"Oh gosh what cryptic and fascinating storytelling, I can't decipher the ultimate meaning!"
    People that defend this shit is fricking moronic. And look, i liked it in ds and bloodbong, but this is fricking too much. Its literally just random words to make vibes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The worst case is the Marika/Radagan reveal. You can't include a big ass twist like that and never even attempt to address or explain it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I blame a wienertail of shit writing. You have GRRM being a complete hack and throwing a bunch of ideas at the wall and then you have Fromsoft being completely unable to elaborate on anything in any actual manner aside from when they make a non-souls game (AC6, Sekiro and technically Bloodborne)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The problem is From has such an autistic fanbase that nobody really calls them out on having shitty writing. It was best in Bloodborne and DS 1 but everything between and since, ER especially, falls victims to all their worst writing tropes.
          >vague concepts that are presented as mysteries but never actually explained
          >plot twists with foreshadowing but, again, no fricking explanation on how it's possible
          >the endings don't clarify what happens or why it mattered

          It's like if DS1 refused to explain what the Dark Soul fricking is and how it ties into hollowing and humanity as a whole.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I finished it at release and I couldn't tell you who anyone was or what they were doing

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry, the people making those videos don't, either.
    Miyazaki himself doesn't know, he said he leaves out all the main details on purpose.

    You ask why Marika shattered the Elden Ring or even WHAT the Elden Ring is, and you'll get a ton of vague responses with 0 reasoning behind them.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not really that deep, the game isn't about storytelling

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It really isn’t. Miyazaki even said he goes gameplay first, story second. As another said, the lore is salad dressing. Had he actually cared for the lore, there wouldn’t be so many lore:gameplay inconsistencies.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modern Fromsoft's entire thing is just putting a bunch of random imagery and text that look like they might be related to the explicite plot everywhere. It doesn't actually have any meaning deeper than window dressing, but it tricks your mind into thinking there must be a connection.

    If you are a normal human you go
    >Based Zanzibart
    As you roll around some glowing red Black person carrying a giant letter opener and wearing a veil.

    If you are a homosexual autist (Fromdrone) you don't actually play the game, but rather spend 10 hours straight arguing with a dozen other homosexual autists about with youtube lore grifters and paid Fromsoft shill's 6 hour video essay (schizo head canon) on Anstasia Tarnished-Eater is correct.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The lore isn't that difficult to understand and it's pretty easy to connect the dots. I think the lore videos were popularized by people too impatient or too stupid to read at all. I've seen gays follow along with other story heavy games without issue, but when the general story of the world is an optional thing, they suddenly turn into drooling morons. If you don't get what ER is about (you) are the problem.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is this anime that came out 29 years ago called Neon Genesis Evangellion. It is about angsty teenagers fighting giant aliens with robots and filled with all sorts of cryptic imagery and avant-garde direction. To this day weebs are still arguing about what it means.

    There is no meaning to it other than teenagers fighting aliens with giant robots. All that cryptic imagery is there because the director thought it was cool. All those strange artist scenes in the second half of the series are there because the director has bipolar disorder, blew through the budget during the first half of the series, and then was forced to use a lot of abstract drawings and still shots in the second half of the series because he had no budget and was way behind schedule. The director has stated this many many times over the past 29 years, but that has not stopped morons from all over the world arguing over which headcannon is actually correct.

    From games are the exact same thing. Don't think about it too hard. Just play the game and enjoy the experience. You will have a much better time than the morons who get so upset that they end up writing novels of cope for hours at a time because a Brazilian playing with his phone while taking a shit decided to frick with them by making a troll thread saying their lore daddy eceleb Vaati was wrong.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It all made sense if you read the bible, you heathen

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Evangelion makes very clear references to the Kabbalah and Gnosticism tho.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Marika is a prostitute who fricks GIANTS and THAT is how Messmer was born…

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only story on those games is literally the boss saying zanzibart forgive me when you kill them.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you think Miyazaki even knows what Martin wrote

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Title: The TRAGIC story of Zanzibart
    >Runtine: 2hrs14mins
    >Thumbnail: has "prepare to cry" with a crying emoji or the youtuber making a sad or shocked face
    >Zanzibart is mentioned once in passing in one single item description
    >"it's totally not fanfiction bro its super deep"

    Everyone who makes or consumes this content deserves euthanasia.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fromsoft lore is only mysterious and hard to piece together into anything coherent because they have to constantly change things around during the development process. All the youtubers who make lore videos are just spouting off a bunch of fan fiction they are using to piece different things together.

    I’d be much more impressed if someone could tell me the lore by only using the primary sources. In game dialogue and in game text of some game. No theorizing just using what is in game. It cannot be done.

    There is some lore that is coherent but it’s the most basic part of the lore and the same in pretty much all the from soft games.

    >world became apocalyptic

    Everything else though about why the world became that way has no coherency to it and it’s all just random due to things in game having to be changed constantly. We can see the best example with dark souls 3 bosses being changed around for who they are compared to who they were meant to be before they were changed.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I understand the gist of the story, but not like super in depth. There are so many side stories and stuff in cut content that expands existing lore/stories.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who did you watch? Because some are more coherent than others.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You need to find a big sword and then kill everybody with it.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But the quests and NPCs are so good!

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >he thinks this game has a story
    >when grace, the floating pissrays and the most basic tangible magic lore in the game, aren't explained properly

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they don't even explain what the elden ring is, beyond a fricking vague amalgamation of 'order' that even just that much, is entirely inferred from dialog. what makes you think grace would be anything different?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They don't explain what the elden ring is because the end of the game is rushed content

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >end of the game
          >literally the central plot point of the game, the literal ENTIRE fricking name of the game

          jesus fricking cope

          >>She herself is tired of being a b***h of the greater will and hence destroys the ring
          >then she gets locked in the erdtree, becomes even more enslaved
          >the destruction of the elden ring brings chaos to the lands between, turning it into a hellscape, literal laws of reality are warped which causes unimaginable suffering, all her children fight and/or become abominations
          makes a lot of sense
          >>She literally send us on a mission to get stronger so we can then come back and help defeate the greater will
          literal headcanon. she just banished us. there is no mention of a fricking mission you schizo.

          >she is tired of being a b***h for the greater will
          again, more headcanon bullshit not backed by a single line of dialog. all info that exists about that is that she wanted to understand the greater will better, nowhere mentions she was tired or disillusioned by it

          >

          >Only 20% of the story is written, the rest is left for you to make up. He himself says this.


          I know this, this why the lore and story are good because they leave room for you to interpret it.
          Unlike how it's done in western games because the developer think the average person playing their video games is a fricking moronic fat Trump voting American subhuman.
          A story being 20% complete isn't 'being left for interpretation'. It's fricking unfinished, you mongoloid. How do you not understand the difference between leaving some details or resolutions to interpretation and literally the vast majority of details and plot points outright not existing?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >nowhere mentions she was tired or disillusioned by it
            Work backwards, moron. She destroyed it. Before that, she altered it by removing death. At some point in the future, it literally crucified her. Clearly there is a contentious relationship between her and the ER/GW.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm too moronic to beat DS1

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      glaub ich dir du hurensohn

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    trannies who ask for story in fromsoftware games are LITERALLY the cancer of the industry and should be castrated

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you want the story, seek it out. If you want to kill bosses and get cool loot, go do that. If you want to kick new players asses and make their lives miserable, have at it. I don't get the complaining, play the game how you want to.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What deep lore explains why every human mob in ER looks, sounds and acts exactly like a DS undead

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's because they can't die naturally. So, unless they are killed they will continue living. They just all to seem to have went mad over time. Also, because there is no destined death, even if you kill something, the soul never dies and will be recycled through the erdtree. In many ways it's just like every souls game in that people are generally depressed and over time they lose their humanity and eventually become hostile towards the player.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why does someone non-Tarnished like Kenneth looks and acts absolutely normal when all of the above applies to them as well though? Why do all the not!undead soldiers seem at Redmance listen to the commands of Jerren and collectively clear out for the Radahn festival when they're just as rabid as hostile as everyone else otherwise?

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I have 800+ hours in Dark Souls 2 alone and I haven't the slightest idea what's actually going on.
    >Bro the story's all cryptic and hidden bro you gotta really listen to every NPC dialogue and put it together yourself bro
    From Software games have no story whatsoever, it's whatever you imagine it to be. Kinda cool actually but lazy game design whatsoever

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Kinda cool actually but lazy game design whatsoever
      I think it is actually kinda smart. Gamers are the type to never be satisfied with anything, especially if they like something. You will find games that were beloved for their narrative 20 years ago being mercilessly torn down because the people who played them to death have gone over the material so much that they have become fixated on little nitpicks and blown them way out of proportion. Planescape Torment is a personal example. I played the ever loving shit out of that game to the point where some very small details of the story that kinda didn't appeal to me when I first played it now bug the ever loving shit out of me to the point that I avoid threads about the game because I know they will piss me off.

      By making intentionally not filling in the blanks and leaving a bunch of red herrings everywhere that seem like they might be clues but don't actually mean anything Miyazaki has found a way around that problem. Now fans of his games can endlessly speculate and argue with one another over their personal fan fiction. They get angry with each other instead of the games, and in doing so the games hold up much more favorably.

      Granted no game will ever be perfect or universally loved, stuff like bugs and bad design will always crop up. However by removing one aspect that could potentially lead to a fan complaining about the game he has made it more likely that more people will remember it well.

      There is also the knock on effect of loreshitters constantly discussing the games saving him a lot of marketing budget, but that is the subject of another thread.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine if all the energy and autism went into Philosophy, Religion, Politics etc. Truly a waste.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but the world is pozzed, that's why idiot

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well said. A lot of it is a magical trick to keep artificially interest in what would have been a sub par story if told directly. David Lynch does something similar, but i believe he might have a more nefarious and/or esoteric reason for this than merely money making (telling the truth by using "fiction"). As in if he would tell a certain story in a straightforward fashion it would possibly get him in trouble, so heavy surrealism and symbolism is emphasized.

        In the end its like trying solve a puzzle that never ends with the magician (creator) holding the crucial pieces but he wont share it with you because that would break the spell.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >marika destroying the elden ring is the inciting incident of everything that happens after
    >why did she do it?
    >lol idk

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >marika literally banishes the tarnished from the lands so he wouldnt be effected by the greater will and "in death there is strength". So she tells us to go get stronger.
      >She literally send us on a mission to get stronger so we can then come back and help defeate the greater will
      >She herself is tired of being a b***h of the greater will and hence destroys the ring
      Anon are you moronic? It's plain as day why she did it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >>She herself is tired of being a b***h of the greater will and hence destroys the ring
        >then she gets locked in the erdtree, becomes even more enslaved
        >the destruction of the elden ring brings chaos to the lands between, turning it into a hellscape, literal laws of reality are warped which causes unimaginable suffering, all her children fight and/or become abominations
        makes a lot of sense
        >>She literally send us on a mission to get stronger so we can then come back and help defeate the greater will
        literal headcanon. she just banished us. there is no mention of a fricking mission you schizo.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          literally the first thing
          Have you heard of the finger maidens? They serve the Two Fingers, offering guidance, and aid, to the Tarnished. But you, I am afraid, are maidenless. I can play the role of maiden. Turning rune fragments into strength. To aid you in your search for the Elden Ring. You need only take me with you. To the foot of the Erdtree.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Eating runes makes you stronger
            This is just copy pasted dark souls and makes no sense in elden ring

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The elden ring itself is literally just hundreds/thousands of runes cobbled together.
              You eating runes is eating fragments of the elden ring and thus gaining power.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The elden ring is runes
                And? It doesn't make eating runes make sense

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                More moronic headcanon

                browsing this thread literally gives aids

                the elden ring has literally fricking nothing to do with runes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Refuse all you want but its the real canon not head canon. I know you are moronic, but you know what the great runes are? PIECES OF THE FRICKING RING YOU GODAMN IMBECILE.
                So yes runes are and have always been the ring. Runes are each a law, one such rune could be gravity.
                We know runes are very powerful as a single rune is what controls all of death with maliketh and the whole ranni storyline. We also know just stealing even a small portion of a rune, like ranni did with death, can frick up the entire order of how the world is currently working.
                And lastly miyazaki himself said that the rings, the compiled runes, are the laws of the world.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't eat great runes though, moron

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >miyazaki literally, word for word, says they're not runes and just a vague concept of law or some shit
                >this actual neanderthal somehow still does enough mental gymnastics to somehow arrive at the conclusion that the ring is runes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Elden Ring are the rules/code that determine how the world works.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are just too media illiterate to understand the most basic things that are spelled pretty clear in the ludotext of the game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Runes are literally life, anon. It’s why they are shaped like thinly sliced roots/trees. They also happen to look like irises, and eyes are a big part of this world.

                Rune bears are bears that got too fat and smug on runes. In the beta, they also ate dragon hearts, and that’s why they have lizard like eyes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          She banished us so we would return. If she wanted us gone forever she would have either killed us or not allowed us to come back.

          Also its not like she knew breaking the ring would imprison her, but it still doubles down on the fact she wanted someone to kill the greater will and thus free her. I think the big arching story makes just sense to me.
          Now if you wanna talk about all the small bullshit about why she split herself in two so she could go frick the mages as a guy, I can't explaint hat shit. THat's just from soft writing. But really the entire lore of all the siblings means nothing in the overall plot. Of you trying to influence which of the outer gods, stars, fire, greater will, death, has the most influence in the land.

          The land has always existed and there are multiple gods fighting over it, you are simply there to help one of them win. (Which is why the fire ending is objectively the correct one)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Also its not like she knew breaking the ring would imprison her
            She probably knew she would be punished, but thought the Tarnished would complete their mission way faster than they did.
            By the time we play the game, most Tarnished don't get their promised Maiden and can't even see the Guidance of Grace. I doubt this was part of her plan.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tarnished are banished so that the shattering could happen. It's plot convenience. All the stupid shit with the demigods couldn't happen if the tarnished were in middle earth

            You have to be 80iq to like this slop

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The elden ring made the erdtree
      >The erdtree sends out the pissrays
      >The pissrays bless everyone
      >What does being blessed do?
      >Don't know

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry, it's not worth it anyway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      man this zanzibart guy seems pretty important
      i hope i meet him soon

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >borderlands writer seething
      You love to see it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's funny but he isn't wrong.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >miquella... my femboy wienersleeve... forgive me...

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the game doesn't have lore or story because... I don't understand it and there's not cutscene showing me the story and explaining everything

    wow... gamers today... fricking sad lmao just buy your shitty MTX in whatever shitty westcuck game you play.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Black person

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gonna play this and watch this absolute cinema tomorrow bros

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >12 days
    How?

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't watch any Elden Ring lore videos. I didn't even know it had a story, thought I'm just playing a knight killing enemies who want to kill me.
    My friend told me it was written by George Martin, I have no idea who is that.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is this board so fricking moronic, imagine shitting on the only developer who doesn't hate you. How fricking moronic do you have to be as human? You've been treated with so much disrespect you got used to it, lmao.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a bunch of metaphysical important stuff happened and now you walk around in the aftermath and you get to decide what color filter ending you want

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it used to be actually interesting back in DaS1 but I grew to dislike the games more due to the boss's anime movesets and the normie culture of "I beat X boss with X challenge" and fromsoft relaying too much on youtubers to fill in narrative gaps.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's going on is you press the roll button at the correct time. Sometimes enemies, knowing you want to press the roll button, do weird attacks to make you press the roll button wrong. though devoid of this rolling-based-combat context it looks very silly.
    The secret boss does a million attacks to punish rolling, unless you roll past her at the start and direct her away. This extra level of rolling gameplay makes her the highlight of the game for many.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When he was younger Miyazaki read western fantasy stories but didn't understand half of the words. He channels this into his games by only writing half the game and paying his staff half the industry rate.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    story doesnt matter in these games

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >God comes to planet
    >gives Elden Ring to Marika
    >her and her bloodline are now supreme gods
    >stuff is good
    >God leaves since the ring is alive and can take care of business and there's fingers around to have him on speed dial anyway
    >big timegap
    >Marika decides she's not happy with having the entire lands between under her thumb and everyone living happy (except the omens and albinorics lol)
    >she shatters the ring and gives one part of it to each of her kids (the guys you hunt in the game)
    >Elden Beast living inside of the ring plays Prowler theme.mp3 and puts Marika on a stake
    >Destined Death that was a part of the ring is gone since it's shattered so nobody can die now and people go insane as a result
    >something something grace is guiding tarnished ones to Marika to become the new Elden Lord

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Marika does something insane
      >Why?
      >Well grrm didn't write that part for us so we didn't either

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Radagon wants to preserve the Golden Order at any cost
        >Marika does the opposite and wants to destroy it by restoring the rune of death
        Not rocket science bruh.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Marika discovered something horrible about the Ring, and Ranni similarly learnt of it, as

          Yup! Ding ding ding! We got a winner!

          [...]

          Fleeting Microcosm (new sorcery)
          - ‘The caster conjures a singularity, then sends it floating toward foes. The microcosm pulls in those close, then implodes.’
          - ‘A lost sorcery, discovered by sorcerers unknown. Some say it contains entire worlds, smoldering.’

          said, and it’s why Radahn stopped the stars, to protect his sister. Rykard was also on board.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>she shatters the ring and gives one part of it to each of her kids (the guys you hunt in the game)
      actually her kids just take them, who the frick would willingly give a great rune to fricking godrock
      Death that was a part of the ring is gone since it's shattered so nobody can die now and people go insane as a result
      marika unchecked that option when she installed goldenorder.exe without realizing what that actually entailed (everyone is immortal but if you don't inject elden ring directly into your veins via runes you turn into a withering husk)
      ranni stole a bit of the code to kill godwyn and malekith kept the rest of it in his hand so it wouldn't get stolen either

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what's weird is the great runes have nothing to do with reality and are just powerups for the player

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm simply assuming the player character is too moronic to use the runes for their intended purpose, like a caveman using a machine gun as a club

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You don't know what's going on precisely because you're watching moronic lore videos full of interpretation and speculation often presented as facts, just play the game itself and it'll be rather straight forward.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "lore" videos are just fanfiction

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just an entire thread of fromdrones doing all the heavy lifting for miyazaki and the fat frick GRRM while excusing everything for them.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    apparently the lands between is a quantum real like that one from the marvel movies

    and that quantum realm influence a normal realm known as the shadow of the erdtree

    now in that quantum realm you can become a lord like a peon becoming queen in chess and other table games
    and of course time travel like in the marvel movies

    thare are people that believe the lands between is just another fantasy land but i dont.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yup! Ding ding ding! We got a winner!

      [...]

      Fleeting Microcosm (new sorcery)
      - ‘The caster conjures a singularity, then sends it floating toward foes. The microcosm pulls in those close, then implodes.’
      - ‘A lost sorcery, discovered by sorcerers unknown. Some say it contains entire worlds, smoldering.’

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        DUDE
        WTF
        SPOILERS

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the lore is that the world was destroyed and has no central ruler and a bunch of schizo demigods end up destroying eachother trying to fight for power until some sperg gigachad (You) comes along and takes over
    it's a reflection of how military aged men felt responsible for rebuilding post-war japan
    >oh shit everything's fricked
    >i'm gonna fix this

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >wasted 2 hours of his life watching lore videos
    >to get served this stinking pile of shit on a $40 platter

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the lore on the giant ants?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They eat people and make runes from all they eat
      They make rooms

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      uh giant ants look cool
      -miyazaki

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were regular ants until they ate a fallen God, and wrecked the ancient cities. They were only stopped when Zanzibart tamed them to help the Nox.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        t. butthurt borderlands story writer.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then the hero Jael Gribael stopped them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Zanzibart shot the ants down from space during the war of forgiveness, hence why all the ants say "Zanzibart, forgive me" as it's a little easter egg to that era
      You would know this if you read the user manual in the case

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's basically Gnosticism with some flair.
    Lands Between - Earth is between heaven and hell.
    Greater Will is Yaltabaoth, the evil godhead that desires worship.
    Marika is fallen Sofia trying to free the world from Greater Will (Yaltabaoth) influence, that is why her kind (aeons) and split into an opposite sex counterpart (syzygies).
    And then some Eastern Spiritualism sprinkled here and there.
    "Grace" is just Sophia's light/divine spark. Tarnished are hylic with our MC tarnished being the only pneumatic one.

    It's not that deep.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People like you are the most moronic of all

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a pretty solid interpretation you are just a plebeian who cannot read into things.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's nothing solid about it, you just took some completely unrelated narrative and forced it into elden ring even though ALMOST NOTHING FITS. Which is actually impressive because this sort of abstract shit usually fits anywhere.
          You'd have an easier time implying super mario is some fricking gnosticist alchemy nonsense probably.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am not the anon that came up with the gnostic parallels. Genosticism is not abstract either, it's the original form of Christianity before the Romans distorted it into Catholicism.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      marikaradagon are the yesod and tiphareth
      and the greater will is the real deal; kether

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It seems like it would make more sense for the Elden Beast to be the Demiurge figure.

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You need at least 200 hours to become an amateur elden ring historian. You think I'm joking, but I'm not.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always come so late to these threads after everyone's already shit their mouths out, but the truth is OP that there is nothing to learn from Elden Ring story-wise. It doesn't exist.

    For instance, most anons probably don't know that Gideon is a villain the moment you meet him, despite his """friendliness""" and bargains with you.

    Gideon seems to have been spearheading most of the fantasy racism in Elden Ring, against the omens and the albinaurics but because of how moronicly these games are structured, you will never be able to get him to talk about why he did the things he did.

    The "All-Knowing" attacks you before you challenge Godfrey, for seemingly no reason at a point where it would be the most moronic thing for him to do. Why? Because, simply, all From npcs have to have le tragic irony end.
    And he's not even halfway right with the assumptions he makes against you, which is so weird for a character like him.
    Gideon "knows in his bones" we won't kill a god?
    For him to think like that, he must have never, not once, talked to Hewg and learned Hewg's mission given to him by Marika.
    Do you know how hard that would have been for Gideon to miss?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you will never be able to get him to talk about why he did the things he did.
      That applies to racists in the real world.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no it doesn't, a black man was literally able to get a KKK grand wizard member to hang up his coat
        and Gideon seems to be a prideful ego maniac anyway, it should be easy to get him to express his views on what he thinks about lowly omen and lowly albinaurics.

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what's not to get?
    >magical object called the Elden Ring was sent by an entity called the Greater Will to the Lands Between and controls the laws of nature there
    >It chose Marika to be God of Lands Between (Elden Lord) and uses the Erd Tree to distrbute it's power
    >the piece that governs death was removed from the Elden Ring and used to kill a god (Marika's son Godwyn)
    >This led to Marika shattering the Elden Ring, which she was imprisoned in the tree for
    >the subsequent war called "The Shattering" was a big war and gods in the game each have a piece of the shattered Elden Ring and they fought to become the new Elden Lord
    >The war to replace Marika is at a standstill so your character (who was banished by Marika long ago) is brought back along with others like you as the final hope to become the new Elden Lord

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      object you never see is magical, does stuff
      was this chick that was important somehow, not really explained
      >>also there was a tree, not really important
      >>some guy was killed for a reason that's not explained
      >>so the important chick broke the magical thing
      >>bad things happened
      >>you spawn in to uh, fix the magical thing? doesn't really matter

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean in the end yeah it doesn't really matter the story is tacked on to give the game some extra flare, you could replace it with any made up shit and the game wouldn't change at all

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the conclusion of the story doesn't matter at all because the gameplay doesn't change
          probably because it's lazily copy pasted DS3

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Name a good video game story.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Suck my dick moron

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >so insecure it cannot name a single game

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Half Life has a better story than elden ring (which doesn't have a story)

              there I fulfilled your arbitrary conditions and elden ring still sucks

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Half-Life is pure environmental storytelling with unexplained mysteries, it's basically a proto-Elden Ring. They don't even explain what the frick the Nilianth or the G-Man are.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't understand half life so elden ring is good
                jesus

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My theory for Half-Life is that it's an inter-dimensional conflict between different types of humans who evolved very differently across different dimensions. The Vortigaunts, the Combine and G-Man were all originally humans in their respective dimensions.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Difference being that the core of the story, i.e. the events of the gaem as you experience them, is extremely tight and well-structured (in Half-Life 1 at least). If you ignore all the "mysterious" stuff in Half Life you're still left with a solid scifi-action plot with light horror elements. If you strip out the lore from Elden Ring, you're left with a rambling, incoherent sequence of events.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                elden ring "lore" doesn't clarify anything, it just adds more shit to the shitpile.

                In DS1 and DS3 you are told exactly what happened and what you have to do in the opening cinematic. Kill the bosses essentially. In Elden Ring you're told you have to... marry some chick? And that saves the world? Adding "worldbuilding" on top of this does nothing to clarify what the frick you're doing in the game

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Half-Life story is just shooting at things in a corridor. What you perceive as a story is just the result of environmental storytelling and suggestion.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Experiment went wrong, there's aliens everywhere, the government's trying to cover it up, and you're caught up in the middle of it trying to survive and escape. Shit keeps escalating and eventually you're told that the alien invasion won't stop unless you go to their planet and take out the big boss.
                This is the core story all immediately understandable to anyone playing the game. It's a really solid plot despite its simplicity, and all the other stuff is just the cherry on top.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is that the story is very intricate. The Rune of Death was removed from the Elden Ring as part of the creation of the Golden Order, and it's the reason why death is so wonky in the present time.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the story is very intricate

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a Japanese game that involves religion and God/Gods.

    >Religion is a tool to subjugate people and validate your rule
    >Gods are selfish shits and only care about empowering themselves
    That is what is going on.

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's okay, neither does the devs. From is like a Russian Ikea, you buy a table, but you get parts from six different tables and when you look at the instructions it's the instructions for washing an Estonian love pillow. In other words, make your own story.

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've played through this game like 3 times and I still don't get why Marthel, The Moon Merchant begs Zanzibart to forgive him after getting defeated.

    LOL.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      zanzibart is a land

      big boss when he dies plead mercy to the land zanzibart for falling it.

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You did understand what was going on, but then you watched fanfiction pretending to be canon and now you're confused.

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's okay neither do the writers.

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    From doesn't make stories, they make settings.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      their worldbuilding is even worse

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is true and its honestly better.
      The alternative is you get shit where they try to tell a straight story, focusing on the dramatics and politics of the main cast. But then it leaves the world to a million unanswered questions about how anything works cause the people couldn't be bothered to find a reason outside of it looked cool for our story.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The story is the game that lets you play it. Elfen Ring's story is about a lone tarnished becoming Elden Lord by consuming runes and killing gods. There is backstory and lore, but the actual plot is really simple.

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >There is a giant cosmic tool known as the Elden Ring which acts as the functional "Code" for existence that defines fundamental rules for reality within the Lands Between. It is both a physical object and a divine conceptualism, so it can be disturbed and its effects are physically felt throughout the world, but it is also subject to manipulation and elements of it can be removed and replaced, further causing chaos.
    >At some point, the Rune (a component of the Elden Ring) of Death was stolen from the Elden Ring and in a plot known as the Night of the Black Knives, one of the extremely important Demigods at the time was slain by a number of assassins, which caused panic throughout the world as Demigods at the time were thought to be immortal
    >Queen Marika, for reasons literally still unknown, shattered the Elden Ring and threw the entirety of the Lands Between into absolute chaos, and most of the Demigods went out and stole components of the Elden Ring to empower themselves, which led to a massive, all-consuming war named the Shattering, where everybody obliterated each others' lands and none of the major factions could call themselves the victor.
    >This war was so bad that the divinity that created the Elden Ring, and bestowed Marika sovereignty over the Lands Between as a goddess, simply left and took its blessing from the world with it, granting a pittance of the blessing to various Tarnished (those banished in ages past to lands outside of the Lands Between) with an order to return to the Erdtree, supplant Marika, and become Elden Lord
    >(You) are one of these Tarnished, who has very little renown, but was chosen nonetheless, so your job is to become Elden Lord

    Anything and everything else is a history lesson based on either a faction, a religion, a character backstory, or a small sidequest that has little to do with the main story, and should be treated as such.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You missed the part where marika is the one who banishes the tarnished who was originally in the land between.

  68. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You probably weren't paying much attention, then, if someone spoonfeeding you the lore didn't allow anything to stick. Maybe get checked for ADHD or something?

  69. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Marika shatters the Elden Ring because uhh... she spend thousands of years building up an empire because... uhhh
    >Miquella makes a Haligtree because uhh.. he JUST DOES
    >Marika is in the trailer because uhhh... SHE JUST IS
    >Radahn comes back because uhh...
    >Malenia fights Radahn despite them being the same alignment because... uhhh
    >Marika is also RADAGON!!! BECAUSE.... BECAUSE... AAAAAAAACK-
    Souls lore was never amazing or anything but it was better than whatever this schizo rambling shit is. Frick, just give me outer gods like that Astel thing instead of this crap

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      astel is just a copy pasted bloodborne enemy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but he doesn't actually need lore, he's just a weird alien
        I'd rather the game be about that than the stupid shit plot that it has already

  70. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is radahn a gay or not

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fraid so

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "I'm not gay but unlimited power is unlimited power" -Radahn, probably

  71. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >every DLC boss fight shown has the player using Mimic Tear
    Just goes to show that no sane person wants to actually bash their heads against bloated bosses with INSTANT 90-100% AOEs at the start and obnoxious combos that deal 90-100% of your health in one single hit.

    Thank Christ I got over Elden Ring. If you really pre-ordered this after the headache that was ER, I don't even feel bad for you at this point.

  72. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Messmer is the only cool fight I've seen out of this mess.

  73. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Its another "people confuse the story and lore" episode again

    The story of Elden Ring is, Marika called the Tarnished back to the Land Between to claim the Great Runes and become Elden Lord. However a wrinkle occurs when Radagon closes the Elden Tree so you burn it to get into it. That's it. That's the story. You can play through the entire game with just that context and understand what is going on. The LORE, the BACKGROUND shit and/or the greater context is what is obscured and discoverable through architecture, enemies and enemy placement, bosses and boss placement, item descriptions, NPC dialogue, symbolism, etc.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Calls them back how exactly? She doesn't do any of that shit, you just wake up in some shithole in the ground

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It literally says in-game that Grace called them back, as in God's Grace and Marika is literally God in this universe. Multiple NPC's talk about how they saw grace but can't anymore, and you tell multiple NPC's that you can see grace. Its even on your FRICKING MAP

        Pay attention to what you are doing with your time you brainless zombie

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But Radagon is also God, and he wants to keep order, Radagon isn't chained like Marika
          So how the frick is Marika mass-resurrecting a ton of tarnished without Radagon stopping her?
          See how this very basic premise immediately falls apart? Even when you simplify this story it's pretty dumb

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You eventually can learn that Radagon and Marika and the same person. They are like an alchemical rebus. If you follow Goldmask's storyline, or notice during the cutscene before Radagons fight you figure this out. Also you fricktard, Radagon is literally chained just like Marika is, he drops down from the crucifixion to fight your ass when you get in there. Marika can do what she desires because she is her own person, same with Radagon. Radagon blocks the entryway to the Erdtree, why can't Marika stop him? They share the same body but are two separate beings with their own agenda's and abilities at the same time. Its like how Jesus and God are the same, but also separate.

            >Story beats throughout the entire game
            >Cinematics for bosses
            >NPCs giving you explanations and directions
            >"JUST IGNORE ALL OF THAT GUYS LOL! ITS NOT THE STORY"
            fricking hell you are one disingenuous little fanboy
            just ignore the fat of the story guys and then it kind of makes a little bit of sense!

            That's literally not what I was implying. OBVIOUSLY the direct story beats or NPC dialogue that is related to you becoming Elden Lord is important, but I figured that didn't even have to be said because its so fricking obvious. I guess I have to account for braindead idiots like you though. Also how the frick do you say that there are cinematics, npc dialogues and story beats while at the same time taking the side of the people who claim this game has no story? How fricking ironic. I accept your concession that this game does actually have a story, thank you for agreeing finally.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >they're the same person
              >how is that possible
              >it's not explained at all in the story ever...
              >HOWEVER
              give it a rest

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he needs an NPC to exposit dialogue explaining everything to them

                Wow that's a lot of story that you're explaining despite the fact that you said this isn't story and you should ignore all of this, but here you are explaining the fricking plotholes of the game by using random ass headcanon pulled from your stinky unwashed ass
                Elden Ring has dogshit lore and an even dumber story, glad we cleared that up

                None of what you are talking about is the plot of the fricking game and is all background lore. Which is exactly what I was originally complaining about people not understanding the difference. The PLOT AND STORY is you becoming Elden Lord. Everything else about the world and its worldbuilding is just lore. Why do I even need to distinguish that specific cinematics that are related to THE PLOT are relevant? I don't even understand what the frick your point is. Do I really need to sit here and explain LITERALLY EVERY GODDAMN BEAT? I figured I wouldn't have to do that because it was very obvious.

                >Also you fricktard, Radagon is literally chained just like Marika is, he drops down from the crucifixion to fight your ass when you get in there. Marika can do what she desires because she is her own person, same with Radagon
                Then why the didn't she just drop down and leave?

                Why would Marika do that even if she could? Her entire desire was to shatter the Elden Ring and have a Tarnished repair it. Radagon drops down to prevent you from doing that. Theres no indication that either of them could actually leave that specific plane of existence inside the Erdtree

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Her entire desire was to shatter the Elden Ring and have a Tarnished repair it
                lmao why?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because The great will. The big God is kind of an butthole.

                And she may have her own plans.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why would Marika do that even if she could? Her entire desire was to shatter the Elden Ring and have a Tarnished repair it. Radagon drops down to prevent you from doing that. Theres no indication that either of them could actually leave that specific plane of existence inside the Erdtree
                And how do you know this?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                An NPC literally TELLS YOU that she is imprisoned inside the Erdtree.

                >Her entire desire was to shatter the Elden Ring and have a Tarnished repair it
                lmao why?

                Its a mystery. People have their theories, and it is meant to get people talking and sharing their own ideas about why. Again, why do you need everything explained to you, leaving zero mystery in the story? There are potential clues but I am not going to repeat them to you because you'll just go "headcanon LOL" which is the entire fricking point.

                >marika has magical powers given to her by the elden ring
                >oh yeah, what kind
                >don't know lol
                >oh okay
                >also marika and radagon are the same person
                >that doesn't even make sense
                >b-but it does because she has magical powers
                lmao

                >I can't wrap my head around the concept of a rebus or the Trinity is christian theology, nor the concept of the Elden Ring being the Order that governs the world
                Just because you are fricking stupid doesn't mean its bad.

                Explain why you needed a fricking shattering war in the first place. Marika is God, can't she fix whatever problems she perceived? Why does she do any of this shit? So a tarnished fixes the elden ring and then what? What changes? You're just yapping at this point, you're not explaining anything
                >Dark souls 1
                >Explains how the flame seeds life and the gods choose to continue it to carry on life and prevent an age of death
                Makes sense
                >Elden Ring
                >The God of the world breaks the weird little magic rules shit or whatever the frick because... SHE JUST DOES... OKAY?! GO KILL STUFF I GUESS

                If I was going to be as disengenous as you, I could easily say

                "well where did the fire in DS1 come from??? Checkmate, dark souls is le bad!!" All we know is that fire came and the age of dragons ended, which sets up the game. Stop being difficult

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >An NPC literally TELLS YOU that she is imprisoned inside the Erdtree.
                Is there an NPC that explains why she is just hanging around and crucified instead of, I don't know, dropping down to take a seat or maybe jumping into the fight?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why would she jump into the fight when you are there doing what she literally planned for you to do, which is to become Elden Lord and slay a God? You are so fricking dense its incredible.

                Actually you would say "Why did Gwyn attack the dragons?" or "Why did Gwyn not just let the flame go out?" since that's the question I posed, why did Marika shatter the Elden Ring and why didn't she just fix her problems if she's God
                See, the issue I have isn't HOW everything started, that part Elden Ring actually does quite well, it's just some Eldritch God that lands on a planet and fricks with shit, I'm fine with that as a background, that's actually more explanation than DS1
                The problem is that DS1 gives you a very clear explanation for WHY the characters in the story do things and have their motivations, they're literally clinging to power, and that power is fading. That's a simple yet perfectly reasonable backstory
                Marika doesn't have a fricking backstory or a reasoning for her actions, she just does it because "le mystery" or whatever, it's not engaging or interesting it just creates a bunch of questions and plotholes, such as "why didn't Marika just use her god powers to fix the problem"

                Except if you look into the lore, she DID try to fix it. The Elden Ring and Marikas rule used to have an Age of Plenty, but things overtime changed, there was the Gloam Eyed Queen and Godskin Apostasy which led to the Rune of Death being removed from the Elden Ring preventing people from dying. Radagon with his Golden Order came onto the scene, but that ended up being corrupted and stagnant as well from what we can tell in game. So breaking the Elden Ring and having a Tarnished repair it leading to a literal new world order is the final attempt to fix the fricking world.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But why would it be any better if a tarnished "fixed" it? What is even being fixed here? It's so convoluted and vague. What's even fricking broken? She took out destined death and gave it to Maliketh, and then the tarnished kills maliketh and puts it back. Okay, so why the frick couldn't she just do that herself? or just take it from maliketh? Or have maliketh kill the elden beast? Or have maliketh kill Radagon? Or whatever the frick she was attempting to do

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >game shows the world has stagnated and people are hollowing out because they've died and resurrected over and over and over and over. Stagnation/kagare being a huge concept both in Dark Souls and this game
                >Endings of the game show that you bring forward a new age when you repair the Elden Ring
                whoa... so convoluted and vague...

                >She took out destined death and gave it to Maliketh, and then the tarnished kills maliketh and puts it back. Okay, so why the frick couldn't she just do that herself? or just take it from maliketh? Or have maliketh kill the elden beast? Or have maliketh kill Radagon? Or whatever the frick she was attempting to do
                The meta reason for this is that because then we wouldn't have a fricking video game to play. A possible in-universe explanation could be any number of things we could speculate on, but then you'd just be engaging in discussion about the lore which is what Miyazaki intends with his work. As is repeated as nauseum, the inspiration for the convoluted lore in these games is Miyazaki would read Western fantasy novels while not being able to speak english, so he didn't get the full context. That same exact feeling is what he is trying to give to the players so that we can talk, discuss and theorize together.

                >Why would she jump into the fight when you are there doing what she literally planned for you to do, which is to become Elden Lord and slay a God? You are so fricking dense its incredible.
                So she doesn't want to help you, or even give her arms a rest, and is content to just hang around and hope her plan comes true?

                >she doesn't want to help you
                She tasked Hewg with smithing the Tarnished a weapon that could kill a God. Just because she isn't squaring up with fricking Radagon doesn't mean she didn't help you. Also, for all we know Melina appeared to you for this purpose.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >game shows the world has stagnated and people are hollowing out because they've died and resurrected over and over and over and over
                ...because of marika
                >Endings of the game show that you bring forward a new age when you repair the Elden Ring
                By putting the great runes back and fixing it... something that Marika caused
                So again, why the frick did she remove destined death and give it to Maliketh?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >something that Marika caused
                Just becuase she is God doesn't mean she is right all the time or that she doesn't make mistakes.

                She has her own goals and angenda, she is clearly ruthless and has her own plan and is willing to use everyone from the land's between as paws, why and how? It's a mistery but pay attetion.

                A MYSTERY and not a PLOTHOLE.

                Sometimes a story doesn't have all the answers and I for one think it improves the story.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Typically mysteries exist to be revealed at the end of a story anon... have you ever read a fricking novel? Everybody has beaten the game, it's the end of the story, what do you discover? Nothing
                You learn that Marika is Radagon. Why is this the case? No explanation
                You are told she shatters the Elden Ring at the start of the game. Why? Nobody knows. End of the game, are we told why? No.
                We're going in circles here. This is a valid complaint about the game, you can throw a player through a world to kill every living being but it's a bit more rewarding when there's a reason for your actions and the actions of characters in the world. If fricking Gwyn can be explained, Marika should also have her reasons explained
                But no, you're content with this convoluted, vague dogshit

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Typically mysteries exist to be revealed at the end of a story anon...
                Not really, sometimes mysteries are just mysteries. Left unambiguous and unexplained.

                Let me give you an exemple, there is this comic book called Sandman, where we see these super powerful beings called Endless who are bigger and more important than Gods.

                We never now how they work or where do they come from but later on we catch a glimpse of a voice in a dungeon in a dead world with their tools of powers, implying this voice holds dominion over them or is superior to them in a way, but we never find out who or what the voice is... And that mystery hunts me to this day, and I hope they never explain it because no explanation would be enough to satisfy more than 16 of speculation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can easily connect the dots but you don't give a shit about listening to people

                >e.g. Marika and Radagon
                You can learn from Melina dialogues and item descriptions that the Erdtree and Marika's reign had opponents. The Carians fought a war with them, the Fire Giants fought a war with them, the Dragons fought a war with them. We know that Radagon came around during the Carian conflict at the very least and ended the conflict with them by marrying Rennala. She ended up "marrying" Radagon herself, most likely to increase stability in her realm as well. You are stupid so you will call this "fanfiction" or "headcanon" but I simply call it putting together the puzzle pieces myself through context, which is better and more fun than having someone explain it to you or having a cutscene explaining it. Just because YOU DONT LIKE IT DOESNT MEAN ITS BAD.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Typically mysteries exist to be revealed at the end of a story anon...
                Not really.

                There is this Brazilian book called Don Casmuro whose great mystery "
                Was Bentinho cucked by Capitu?" never solved and it's such a intriguing tale.

                We can never tell if it's his madness or facts that we are reading, so it's left unambiguous and it's all better for it. If we had a clear answer the story would be a lot less impactful and interesting and we wouldn't have countless debates over it.

                Maybe you are just not used to ambiguous literature? Maybe you are used to literature that has all the answers and spell them out for you? And now you think that's what makes a good story since you are so used to it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Typically mysteries exist to be revealed at the end of a story anon...
                DUDE HAVE YOU NEVER SEEN A MOVIE WITH AN AMBIGOUS ENDING?? Those are usually the best ones.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Typically mysteries exist to be revealed at the end of a story anon...
                Dostoyevskys The Brothers Karamazov has the greatest mystery and it's never solved.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Typically mysteries exist to be revealed at the end of a story anon
                Uhhhhhhh……… if I knew the identity of Jack the Ripper, I wouldn’t reveal it, as it would kill the story/legend.

                What, do you think I’m an butthole or something?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't just put the runes back you fricking moron you REPAIR THE RING WITH THE MENDING RUNES which add new rules to the world, thus bringing forth a new age.

                >why did she remove destined death
                because of the Gloam Eye'd Queens Godskin Apostasy where they used black flame to try to kill the Gods

                >Just because she isn't squaring up with fricking Radagon doesn't mean she didn't help you.
                And you know this how?
                >Also, for all we know Melina appeared to you for this purpose
                Oh, so it's fan fiction. Which Vaati video do I need to watch to hear this explanation lmao

                >give you one specific reference of Marika helping you with Hewgs task which you conveniently ignore but also I give a possible theorizable idea in the form of Melina
                Stop moving the goalposts. You're arguing over nothing. You might as well say "WELL WHY DIDNT MANWE JUST COME TO MIDDLE EARTH HIMSELF AND KILL SAURON???? PLOTHOLE!!!"
                Rat frick, kys

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Stop throwing an autism fit about tiny little details jesus christ, stop explaining the ins and outs, explain the why. You can't though, because the "story" of this game makes no attempt to offer anything substantial to enjoy, hence the story is fricking dogshit
                What is with your rabid fanboy defense of it anon? Yes, mystery can be a valid storytelling tool to use, like something from H.P Lovecraft where you get given barely any description or mention of the eldritch antagonist of each book. But the actual meat of the story is the characters and their motivations along the way
                Marika has no motivations. You can't just say
                >"ITS A FRICKING MYSTERY YOU moron! HER MOTIVATIONS ARE A MYSTERY. BUT SHE'S ALSO A HUMAN WHO MAKES MISTAKES OKAY?!"
                So what fricking reason is there for anyone to feel any kind of attachment to this story? This is like arguing with an actual autistic 14 year old about Ben 10 or some shit. You're arguing semantics and plot details but blatantly ignoring how bad the actual storytelling in the video game is, because there is no "telling"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The game gives you puzzle pieces to put together. You can formulate a motivation for her by finding the items, talking to NPC's, etc. and coming up with your own idea of her motivations. That is the fricking point. That is what makes it a mystery, because you can never be 100% sure that you are correct. Again, just because YOU DON'T LIKE THAT STYLE OF STORYTELLING doesn't mean its bad.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So again, why the frick did she remove destined death and give it to Maliketh?
                Why did Prometheus steal the flame and give it to humanity? Why did Eve take the fruit? It's mythological. She wanted to be like God and make the rules. It seemed fair enough. Who likes death? The unforeseen consequences are what makes it tragic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >She wanted to be like God and make the rules
                headcanon
                >It seemed fair enough.
                headcanon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But that the points, the game give you the puzzle pieces and arrange them on a way that makes sense to YOU, if you don't like this kind of story telling FINE, no issue.

                But it's not bad, I think it's fun af. Makes you feel like an archaeologist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You cannot make basic inferences and need things declared and written down to be real. You are autistic.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Forget it, that dude is just an butthole who can't decide if he wants mystery or be spoon fed. He already made his made and no logic or arguments will change his mind.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Just because she isn't squaring up with fricking Radagon doesn't mean she didn't help you.
                And you know this how?
                >Also, for all we know Melina appeared to you for this purpose
                Oh, so it's fan fiction. Which Vaati video do I need to watch to hear this explanation lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And you know this how?
                She is also CURCIFIED FOR GOD'S SAKE. Not like she is in a position to just go around doing stuff, she is a prisoner using the little influence she has left to do stuff.

                Mostly by setting up things to happen BEFORE she got taken away, not after.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But I thought she could "do what she desires because she is her own person, same with Radagon."

                You don't just put the runes back you fricking moron you REPAIR THE RING WITH THE MENDING RUNES which add new rules to the world, thus bringing forth a new age.

                >why did she remove destined death
                because of the Gloam Eye'd Queens Godskin Apostasy where they used black flame to try to kill the Gods

                [...]
                >give you one specific reference of Marika helping you with Hewgs task which you conveniently ignore but also I give a possible theorizable idea in the form of Melina
                Stop moving the goalposts. You're arguing over nothing. You might as well say "WELL WHY DIDNT MANWE JUST COME TO MIDDLE EARTH HIMSELF AND KILL SAURON???? PLOTHOLE!!!"
                Rat frick, kys

                >Stop moving the goalposts. You're arguing over nothing. You might as well say "WELL WHY DIDNT MANWE JUST COME TO MIDDLE EARTH HIMSELF AND KILL SAURON???? PLOTHOLE!!!"
                Okay let me try to put this all together
                >She kicked the tarnished out
                >Broke the Elden Ring
                >Called the Tarnished back to mend the Elden Ring
                >Helped you in you quest to mend the Elden Ring
                >She is trapped in the Erd tree along with Radagon
                >She can do anything Radagon can do
                >You fight Radagon
                >Marika does nothing.
                Did I get that all right? If so could you please tell me which piece of lore explains why she wants to hang out in chains instead of helping you fight Radagon since you mending the Elden Ring was her plan all along, and in this specific instance she is physically right there to do it?

                >Rat frick, kys
                Which piece of lore explains how you got this upsetti spaghetti lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Radagon and Marika are the same body. How does Marika help you fight when Radagon takes control of their shared body? Have you played the fricking game???? Are you moronic?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So why doesn't Marika take control

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In the beginning cutscene her and Radagon fight over the shattering of the Ring, you can see them switching between while it happens

                >why didn't she switch while you were fighting
                because 1. Its a boss fight and 2. you defeat him in like, a couple minutes and she does take over the body again after he is defeated, you have to interact with her shattered body after you defeat the Elden Beast

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Marika never once takes control because the plot demands it
                Oh

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So none of this makes sense, the game's story is headcanon made up by youtube trannied and only exists to give the illusion of a narrative to justify gameplay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, Albinaurics are literally humanoid globs of cum. The ‘birthing droplet’ that Latenna speaks of, is cum.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're just fricking moronic I guess. I mean is it really so difficult for you to accept that Radagon takes control of the body to fight you, and then you defeat him before Marika can regain control? like WHAT point are you making here? You're just making a fuss over nonsensical bullshit. Should an NPC spawn in and say "HOLD UP TARNISHED!! YOU ONLY HAVE 5 MINUTES TO DEFEAT RADAGON BECAUSE MARIKA IS TRYING TO REGAIN CONTROL!" or some stupid shit? Just admit you didn't know what the frick you're talking about and that you were wrong.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why should she? Just because you think she should?

                She doesn't take control because she is weak after losing to the great will and can't, sometimes just because you think people should do something doesn't mean they can.

                why don't depressed people just get better? They don't because they can't. It's not a plot hole it's just that people sometimes fail.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >She doesn't take control because she is weak
                After thousands of years?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know, try to go on and be shattered and beated up by an omnipotent unseen god and see how long odes it take for you to get back to full strength and tell me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Radagon seemed pretty strong

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He was not the target tho, he got ruffed up because they share the same body but he was not the target of the greater wills wrath.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because she can't, she is a prisioner, beaten and saled away by the Greater will, Radagon is there because they share the same body but it's clearly he is not the prisoner, he was just cough in the crossfire and is still loyal.

                She is by all effects dead when you get to her.

                Play the game, this is not even lore, it's obvious stuff you can literally see.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >she is a prisioner
                How

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                1. an NPC connected to the fingers, which are the greater wills agents on earth tells you this
                2. She is crucified when you get there
                3. She is not omnipotent, she derives her power from the Elden Ring and the Greater will, it stands to reason the Elden Beast/Greater Will could imprison her

                Play. The. Fricking. Game. You. Stupid. Black person.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But I thought she could do anything Radagon could do?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I can take a shit
                >you can take a shit
                >Your dad comes and shoves his dick in your ass so you can't shit anymore
                >wtf? I thought we could both shit?

                >This magical god character is imprisoned, that's why she doesn't do anything
                >How is she imprisoned if she's a god
                >Because if she isn't imprisoned the story doesn't make sense

                "God" in this universe just means a person who was granted Godlike abilities by the Elden Ring and the Greater Will. There exist characters that are successors to Marika, which implies her powers could be removed if the correct conditions are met. Yet you are stuck on this definition because "God" to you means omnipotent being that can do anything like the Christian God can. You are moronic because you can not distinguish this. Marika is more closely like a God of Olympus, or Odin. Powerful beings but they can't do whatever they want, and can make mistakes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So the ring grants her powers which are never named, she is imprisoned because she needs to be for plot convenience, when you show up radagon manifests and is near peak performance trying to beat your ass.

                Marika somehow never tried to escape or use her powers

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This magical god character is imprisoned, that's why she doesn't do anything
                >How is she imprisoned if she's a god
                >Because if she isn't imprisoned the story doesn't make sense

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>How is she imprisoned if she's a god
                Oh yeah there is no precedent for Gods to be imprisoned and tortured and having their power reduced.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So she gave up and afking in a cave for thousands of years

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude she is a prisoner, captured and beaten by higher powers than her ater they found her doing crazy stuff.

                Do you think that Prometheus being chained and tortured even tho he is a FREAKING TITAN and one of the first begins in the universe, older than Zeus is also a plot hole?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >she is a prisoner
                Then how does radagon gain control

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Watch it and get your own conclusions.

                I'm tired of arguing if lack basic information.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Posts YouTube loretroony because he can't explain this trash lore
                Lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ITS NOT YOUTUBE LORE YOU DUMB ASS.

                It's the in game cut scenes.

                You are acting like an asshat. It's not funny.

                Kind of sad really. Frickin

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He is a disingenuous bad faith troll.

                And this thread should end right now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If Marika and radagon are the same person how did radagon break out of imprisonment and fight you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's more like you break in and fight him. You enter the erd tree at the end of the game, which is where he's imprisoned.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay so how did radagon break out of imprisonment? Just a coincidence it's as soon as you arrive?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When you opened the door a drift of cold wind got in and broke the piece of elden ring holding them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So the boss fight of the end of the game is actually a massive coincidence on top of a massive coincidence (Godfrey)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are you? Videogame cinema sins?

                Both life and narrative is always about narrative timing, things happen when they happen for the story. It's not a flaw it's how stories and even life happen.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If Marika/radagon could have broken containment at any time then the story doesn't make sense

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She couldn't. You do all that stuff such as burning the tree to weak whatever is holding her there and get in.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Burning the tree weakened the legend ring
                Headcanon, but
                Then radagon would have been weaker too

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude it's literally one of the reasons you burn it, play the game.

                And it does weaken Radagon, such as preventing the use of his barrier. His most powerful tool.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you just making random shit up now

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Play the fricking game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                WHY DOESNT GANDOLF USE THE EAGLES.

                You people are the most virgin, brainless, annoying and disgusting type of narrative fans.

                And you think you guys are so smart having those lukewarm takes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The entire story doesn't make any sense because radagon voluntarily broke containment while in the form of marika

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's your head cannon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's irrefutable proof fromsoft doesn't think anything through. If Marika is imprisoned by a power she can not break through then so is radagon. If radagon was freed by the elden beast (somehow) then the elden beast is moronic because it just unshackled its greatest enemy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If Marika is imprisoned by a power she can not break through then so is radagon
                But they are not the same person, they just share a body.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then that means they're literally not the same person and there's no reason for them to share a body narratively

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Then that means they're literally not the same person
                They aren't. I just said, they just share the same body. Are you moronic?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then there's no purpose served by them sharing the same body narratively, it's a red herring

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is that… is that the REBIS???

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >there's no reason for them to share a body narratively
                WTF does that mean????

                They share the same body because the author wanted, not every narrative choice must be optimal, sometimes ideas are just cool ideas.

                And two gods sharing the same body is fun.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >optimal
                optimal for this moronic tastes, mind you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "WhY dId tHeY uSe gAs iN "The Jaunt" iF tHey uSeD pIlLs nOnE oF tHe FuN aNd hOrRoR pLoT aNd SoToRy WoUld Have hApPennEd!!"

                Imagine thinking this is a good and deep take.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's the point of revealing they share the same body if it has no effect on the story to the point that the two forms sustain damage separately

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it's relevant for a lot of other things, just not this non issue you are obsessing about.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What in the plot relies on them sharing the same body? Nothing. It's a red herring

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >WHY DOESNT GANDOLF USE THE EAGLES
                There is no more annoying statement in the entire lotr fandom

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Watching that one guy do the same but

                "Why didn't QUEEN MARIKA solve everything, all the issues in the plot and stuff???"

                For the entire thread and thinking he is so smart gave me brain damage.

                See you guys, I'm out.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine a giant eagle getting corrupted by the ring's power, then flying off to some remote island or some random mountain top.

                The ring would be lost for a few more millennia, and Sauron's armies would have eradicated everything on Middle Earth.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or they would just... Shoot the Eagles?

                The eagles go there because Sauron had already fallen, but it's still in Mordor a heavily guarded place.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also true. The eagles present some unique risks that are too hard to work around.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dou you know what narrative timing is?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol honestly man, that shit was probably just for dramatic effect. I'm sure some dorks have come up with some convoluted reason for him being able to break out, but they likely put it in the game because it looks cool.

                You kinda just have to accept some things and move on in the souls games. There's very few solid answers for most things.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Actually it's really fricking funny. I've been watching you morons seethe and cope through this whole thread because one anon keeps simply asking you to explain the game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is this how you spend a Thursday night? Wow. Your life seems fun.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bruh I am pretending to work while reading Gankereddit threads. This thread has been the highlight of my day. Like legit seething trannies getting worked into a bubblin rage by an anon asking them to explain the story of Elden Ring, and then poking holes in their walls of lore fan fiction with one sentence responses

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This thread has been the highlight of my day.
                Again, sad.

                Maybe try to find something to truly enjoy or a girl...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "How dare people actually enjoy something? How dare someone find joy on something unlike me sad and hollow. How dare they get annoyed by some troony making drivel questions about the lore of the stuff they like.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bruh I am pretending to work while reading Gankereddit threads
                are you me
                I work at the gym and I could be looking at fine blonde ass but I’m not

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think it's just two people, or maybe one pretending to be on both sides.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wathc the process of restoring the Elden ring while you are at it:

                Maybe it will solved most of the questions you seem to have.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again how does radagon gain control of he's imprisoned with Marika?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're the same person. Radagon and Marika combined into one being.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So if they're the same person he's also imprisoned

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They are two minds in one body, Radagon simply overpowered her, maybe he was assisted by the greater will or maybe she was just too close to death.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're probably still gonna find a way to have you fight her in the DLC

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Play. The. Fricking. Game. You. Stupid. Black person.
                Yikes, Fromsoft really pays their shills to use the N-word

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Dude, if you want to talk shit it's a common curtersy to at least know basic stuff of the thing you are shitting on.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She also has half of a spear impaling her.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >But I thought she could "do what she desires because she is her own person, same with Radagon."
                She can do whatever she wants, not EVERYTHIGN she wants.

                She is a person with agency, that's what that anon meant, not that she could just do whatever as in omnipotent.

                Learn to read, this is getting embarrassing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Did I get that all right? If so could you please tell me which piece of lore explains why she wants to hang out in chains instead of helping you fight Radagon since you mending the Elden Ring was her plan all along, and in this specific instance she is physically right there to do it?
                They share the same body!!! How many times do we have to tell you, if you palyed the game you would know, just watch the fight on youtube you fricking casual before you keep embarrassing yourself making a fuss over details that are clearly shown.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why would she jump into the fight when you are there doing what she literally planned for you to do, which is to become Elden Lord and slay a God? You are so fricking dense its incredible.
                So she doesn't want to help you, or even give her arms a rest, and is content to just hang around and hope her plan comes true?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >see uh marika has magical powers from the elden ring like uh, jesus, like the bible
                you're a moronic fricking Black person

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Actually you would say "Why did Gwyn attack the dragons?" or "Why did Gwyn not just let the flame go out?" since that's the question I posed, why did Marika shatter the Elden Ring and why didn't she just fix her problems if she's God
                See, the issue I have isn't HOW everything started, that part Elden Ring actually does quite well, it's just some Eldritch God that lands on a planet and fricks with shit, I'm fine with that as a background, that's actually more explanation than DS1
                The problem is that DS1 gives you a very clear explanation for WHY the characters in the story do things and have their motivations, they're literally clinging to power, and that power is fading. That's a simple yet perfectly reasonable backstory
                Marika doesn't have a fricking backstory or a reasoning for her actions, she just does it because "le mystery" or whatever, it's not engaging or interesting it just creates a bunch of questions and plotholes, such as "why didn't Marika just use her god powers to fix the problem"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >marika has magical powers given to her by the elden ring
                >oh yeah, what kind
                >don't know lol
                >oh okay
                >also marika and radagon are the same person
                >that doesn't even make sense
                >b-but it does because she has magical powers
                lmao

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >None of what you are talking about is the plot of the fricking game and is all background lore.
                Autism. The lore feeds in to the plot, and vice versa. You respond to the lore and make choices. You select an ending accordingly. The frenzied flame "plot" only has weight by virtue of the merchant "lore". Unless (you) are an antisocial artist and just do whatever makes the numbers go higher.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Theres no indication that either of them could actually leave that specific plane of existence inside the Erdtree
                She is a Gid. She was sealed away but she still had divine power and could still affect the world in a diminish capacity. Samenwith Radagon.

                She called the Tarnish (something she may have aranjed before she was sealed away)

                And he sealed the tree.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wow that's a lot of story that you're explaining despite the fact that you said this isn't story and you should ignore all of this, but here you are explaining the fricking plotholes of the game by using random ass headcanon pulled from your stinky unwashed ass
              Elden Ring has dogshit lore and an even dumber story, glad we cleared that up

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Also you fricktard, Radagon is literally chained just like Marika is, he drops down from the crucifixion to fight your ass when you get in there. Marika can do what she desires because she is her own person, same with Radagon
              Then why the didn't she just drop down and leave?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                STOP QUESTIONING THINGS

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Because the Elden Beast is the absolute will and Marila/Radagon are empty shells that's why Radagon is a zombie with golden rings inside him, he is just a puppet of the Elden Beast

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >you do all the hard work to open up the Erdtree
      >Godfrey arrives last minute to cuck you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Marika called the Tarnished back
      why'd she send them away in the first place? oh right... silly me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The story of Elden Ring is, Marika called the Tarnished back to the Land Between to claim the Great Runes and become Elden Lord
      Why? What's the player motivation? DeS has you trapped in Death. DaS has the curse. Bloodborne has your treatment and its side effects. Sekiro has the little kid you don't want to die.
      Why do you follow the grace? Don't know it's cut content along with all of Godfrey's pregame.

      You're the one confusing lore for story. There's absolutely no player character story for seeking the Elden Ring. There's just the background lore about the tarnished which you'll pick up hundreds of hours later.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He can't roleplay his own reason for why his character specifically would come to the Lands Between after realizing they can see grace
        rumao, let me guess you actually like when Bethesday forces a character backstory on you like in Fallout 4? Maybe that game is more your speed

        >Marika called the Tarnished back
        why'd she send them away in the first place? oh right... silly me

        >why did she send them away
        backstory lore that isn't the story, again. Its a mystery that is meant to be a mystery, for people to theorize and you for you ponder on. Stop desiring every single little detail to be spelled out for you're moronic ass.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >this happens because this happens because this happens because this happens
          >okay what was the reasoning behind the first happening
          >uh it's not explained
          because fromsoft are moronic asiatics, they wouldn't even be able to make a failed TV show with their writing even if they tried, they could fool amazon into giving them a billion dollars and somebody would say it was a mistake during shooting. Absolute amateurs. Fromsoft writers couldn't get a job making free campaigns for DnD

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't want power
        What a gay, all the reason I need is I want to be the next lord of everything.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Story beats throughout the entire game
      >Cinematics for bosses
      >NPCs giving you explanations and directions
      >"JUST IGNORE ALL OF THAT GUYS LOL! ITS NOT THE STORY"
      fricking hell you are one disingenuous little fanboy
      just ignore the fat of the story guys and then it kind of makes a little bit of sense!

  74. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  75. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    From's single plot is Buddhist Death/Ribrith cycles.
    It's all DeS is. It's all DaS is (the rebirth cycle just pulls the camera back a bit in 3 to an even meta-er one). It's all Bloodborne is. It's all Sekiro is.
    Trouble with Elden Ring is they had some issues marrying their "Single Plot" to someone else's work.

    There are subthemes in the games that make them interesting. But the main theme has been disappointing since at least the first time you played a From game and you worked out the main plot, because the first time to you the player it's not a copypaste job.

    Only how it's framed ever changes.

  76. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I finished the game three times and I still don't understand what the "Elden Ring" even is.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The elden ring doesn't exist in the game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the base structure of the universe.

      Like a set of laws that saysbwhat reality is and how it works.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll do my best anon
      >Elden Ring is some carrier for the Greater Will, some all mighty God in space
      >Lands on ... whatever the frick the planet is called, "The Lands Between" will do but this isn't clear
      >Gives Marika some sort of godlike ability... somehow
      >Marika marries Godfrey and somehow gives him a share of this power, they have kids, those kids possibly get some power akin to a demi-god but that's not clear since their power in the shattering comes from Great Runes
      >Radagon appears and does his own shit. Why? Don't know. I could not fricking tell you
      >Bunch of non-detailed history
      >Skip forward
      >Godwyn is assassinated because... something to do with Ranni, and maybe Marika? Again, not fully explained and is mostly nonsense
      >Marika shatters the Elden Ring, don't ask me why
      >The shattering fricks Marika up I think, I don't know. when you find her she's crucified and the Elden Beast easily grabs Radagon and uses him as a weapon, so I assume the Elden Ring with its own willpower manifests as the beast and fricked Marika up
      >The Elden Ring SHATTERS into Great Runes
      >The sons/daughters of Marika fight over these Great Runes and constantly go to war over them
      >Great Rune is essentially just a segment of the Elden Ring which is like the full package - full godhood
      >The Tarnished (you) kills the demigods to obtain great runes, great runes that can then be put back in the Elden Ring to repair(?) it and give you godhood
      As you can see, explaining what it is involves me having to explain a bunch of other random shit. It's a big convoluted mess and anyone defending this hasn't read a book in their lives

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the elden ring gives marika magical powers
        >it also gives other people in the vicinity magical powers
        >what kind of magical powers? don't know
        lol

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, it's moronic. Some anon above was saying "Marika and Radagon can just do whatever they want while tied up/locked in the tree because they're Gods" or some shit
          The frick? So what powers do they have? Radagon just fires a bunch of holy missiles at you, since when does he have omnipotency and is able to telepathically call up a bunch of zombies?
          The whole plot is moronic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Elden Ring is some carrier for the Greater Will, some all mighty God in space
        This is the only line that has anything to do with what the Elden Ring actually is, and it's vague as frick.
        What in the actual frick is the Elden Ring? Is it like a drawing? What is it made of?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its made of hardbligth and divine energy.

          It's bit a literal ring it's mkre like a magical sigil with all the laws in reality.

          It is as if the worldnis a big video game server and the elden ring is the laws and paramenters.

          If you remove death from the ring no one dies.
          Ifnyou remlvie gravity from the ring everyone floats.

          It was Maryka's job to chpose what things (runes) go in the big design (elden ring) so when she broke it she kindnof broke reality allowing bad things (Cursed and undeath for exemple) to hapoen all around as if they were glitches.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            stroke

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Typos apart. This makes sense.

            I liked the server analogy. Makes me think of terraria and minecraft.

  77. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But who was Melina and why does she open her eyes if you choose lord of frenzy?

  78. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There was a big God, he choose a woman to be his representative.

    She had a bunch of kids.

    One kid Didn't like God's plan so the kid killed another kid and started a whole mess.

    The woman couldn't take it so she destroyed the Elden ring which was like the base structure of reality.

    Now you and others like you want to rebuild the ring and become a new Lord of the lands.

    Meanwhile many factions figth for power and your support. You can join them or just do your own thing.

    And that's basically it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why did God split himself into two and fight against the other God's plans while the other other God (Elden Beast) sat on his ass doing fricking nothing like a big fish?
      Why do any of the demi-gods not just fix the elden ring?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why do any of the demi-gods not just fix the elden ring?
        That is literally what they were trying to do with the Shattering war you fricking idiot. Literally what the frick? Is this the power of Elden Ring haters? Maybe you should play the fricking game you're criticizing you fricking moron.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Explain why you needed a fricking shattering war in the first place. Marika is God, can't she fix whatever problems she perceived? Why does she do any of this shit? So a tarnished fixes the elden ring and then what? What changes? You're just yapping at this point, you're not explaining anything
          >Dark souls 1
          >Explains how the flame seeds life and the gods choose to continue it to carry on life and prevent an age of death
          Makes sense
          >Elden Ring
          >The God of the world breaks the weird little magic rules shit or whatever the frick because... SHE JUST DOES... OKAY?! GO KILL STUFF I GUESS

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Marika is God
            She is a God as in Zeus not God as in omnipotent.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              so wtf are her powers? wasn't she in control of the elden ring which has the power of pretty much everything?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She derives her powers from the Elden Ring and the Greater Will, she also was not the first God in this world either. She isn't "in control" of the Elden Ring.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >so wtf are her powers?
                never explained like everything else in this shit heap

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                She can't just change reality willy nilly. The process of changing the rules. Such as removing death is long and arduous.

                Her being a God makes her imortal, allows her to create spells, givers her political power, she is the ruler and monarch of the lands between and overall important person.

                She can't be destroyed but she is not all powerful, she is more like a vessel, a avatar, she carries the elden ring within her.

                Like Gymn from the first dark souls. He is a God but that just means he is a superman, powerful, strong and imortal. But he can still fail and make bad decisions.

                And he is imortal as in ageless not imoetal as in can't be killee.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >removing death is long and arduous
                you're just making shit up

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why did God split himself into two and fight against the other God's plans while the other other God (Elden Beast) sat on his ass doing fricking nothing like a big fish?
        There is no way to know if Marika having two bodies and minds was The greater will doing. I don't think it is. She was just a weird being that gain the God's favor. Not all her powers come from him she is her own being.

        >Why do any of the demi-gods not just fix the elden ring?
        They tried and failed, that's literally told you in game. They fought a war for generations and all failed to to become elden lord that's why you were called.

  79. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a story about government corruption, basically Marika wanted to overthrow The Order(wanted absolute power) by killing the Elden Beast(Elden Ring) so she could reach absolute Godhood but she failed and the shattering corrupted life so now the Tarnished don't get their mandatory waifu and can't see grace.
    Now Radahan and Malenia Aids queen are a parallel story but it seems that astromancy has some implications but I didn't bother

  80. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Demigod royal family go brrrrrr

  81. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I heard that "Marika" is Spanish for "queer", the story makes a lot more sense when you know that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you actually making up Vaati tier fanfiction for real languages now? Marika is just Maria but from Hungary, Poland, and the Baltics.

  82. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This happens every soulsl0p, just interpret it however

  83. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Or you know...you could read and observe stuff and come up with your own conclusions? Instead of listening to YET ANOTHER youtuber with autism and depression narrate you obvious shit for hours on end?

  84. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't wait to play the DLC and see a bunch of names like Bozort of the Shartshard that mean nothing to me but someone out there will cream their khakis over

  85. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    elden ring lore is so nonsensical it couldve been written by an AI. Just kill shit and move on

  86. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lovecraft entity gives power of Elden Ring to young girl who becomes a god
    >Her family grows and conquers all of the Lands Between
    >Her husband gets bored of fighting so he and his army are branded Tarnished and banished
    >One of her daughters, the next in line to inherit the Elden Ring, chooses to kill herself and a half-brother instead
    >God girl freaks and shatters the Elden Ring, spreads its shards amongst the royal family
    >Royal family goes mad with power and devastates the Lands Between
    >Lovecraft entity recalls the Tarnished to break the stalemate

  87. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have not even attempted to understand the soulsborne lore, I just enjoy the gameplay

  88. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Someone post the Borderlands writer's tweet bashing From Soft's "story-telling"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can't believe we live in a timeline where the Borderlands writers are actually right about a fromsoft criticism

  89. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The moment you took an interest in Elden Ring's item description psycho babble it's the moment you should've just went ahead and got yourself a skirt, lipstick and call yourself a woman. There has never been an ounce of sense in Souls "narrative". It is there solely for youtube trannies to generate content for the game for free.

  90. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I barely know anything about any From game except Sekiro and Bloodborne. I think the lore is cool in Elden Ring but most of it is just not worth following to be honest. Also what the frick was the point in Martins involvement lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Family drama and turtles.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also what the frick was the point in Martins involvement lol
      Had you played the game you would see how his influences are present. It is clear that Miyazaki is a fan of his works. Like, to the point where he more or less ripped a few magics from the books and shoved them into the game, sort of. Concepts like fire and blood are to be seen, along with blindness as a path to knowledge.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lol
      women don't give a shit about Souls lore
      the kind of turbo autism it takes to get invested in that shit is purely a male phenomenon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Miss Chalice would disagree

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My sister is the biggest Souls autist I know

  91. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >watched 2 hours of Elden Ring lore videos
    Manchild final boss.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Whats wrong with that? Imagine a lazy daturday afternoon and you are just watching some random video to relax. On the weekend i wacthed like 2 hours of videos on lightbulbs and washing machine tech, its relaxing.

  92. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love how there are so many Gods and faiths and religions in this setting, my first first time playing I felt like a theology scholar.

    It was so fun.

  93. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Elden Ring lore is trash, especially with the Miquella Radahn shit. Not one mention in the base game of their relationship.

  94. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s funny how so many are terrified of wonder and mystery, and this is why “magic doesn’t exist” loool.

    It’s almost like humans are so unhappy and so unsatisfied they find it offensive when someone has the gall to attribute magic to something, anything at all.

    If you don’t consider nature magical then you don’t actually appreciate life.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is just sad, get a life

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The internet is fricking magic. Deal with it.

  95. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pic related
    kekd irl after I had a wtf is this moment from reading the lore on the sword statue

  96. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll give it to you straight, with none of the extra bullshit.

    >Gods and Demi-Gods (all the main bosses in the game) are all related.You'll fight all of them as bosses.

    >Marika and Radagon are the parents, although Radagon is a stepfather (Marika was once married to Godfrey).

    >Godfrey, after the divorce, became the first of a race called the tarnished. The tarnished leave the lands between. You are a tarnished btw

    >Marika and Radagon combine into a single being at some point.

    >Marika removed destined death from the lands between, which has resulted in a world of stagnation. This is likely due to the influence of the outer gods, which are the gods of the local gods. The elden best you fight at the end of the game works as a communications/control vessel between the local gods and the outer gods.

    >So, the tarnished make their return to the lands between, to oust Marika, restore destined death, and end the stagnation.

    >This is why you must become an elden Lord.

    That's the basics of the main plot. There are way too many other threads to explain in one go.

  97. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I yuus beeg hamar

  98. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's the idea.
    Miyazaki once said in an interview that in his childhood, he used to read fantasy novels in english and he didn't really understand them, so he filled in the blank with his imagination, which is what he wants players to do with his stories.
    They are incomplete on purpose, it's the whole point. Which is fine, but obtaining any information at all AND looking through that information are both massive pains in the ass which grant you with no concrete understanding of anything. One of my friends really likes the vagueness, but it personally just kind of annoys me that I go through an endless stream of innane bullshit to obtain every single item in the game, just to be rewarded with "lol, WHO KNOWS????". At least I had fun doing it every time, but it's not worth it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the secret lore of the secret lore
      This is moronic and reading too much in to some throwaway quote. His games are vague because he intentionally refuses to come down on one side as the "right" one, probably because he has some Jap concept of everything being flux or whatever. Something will always come up to say "except...". Golden order/first flame/imperial Japan is good, except when viewed from the perspective of the omen/humanity/the US, except those aren't good either because the curse/Manus/atom bomb, except...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What do you want from me? I'm telling you what he responded when asked why the stories aren't concrete. You can imagine whatever you want as the reason why the lore is the way it is, this is the reason that he, himself, gave.
        If you don't believe him, that's fine too.

  99. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >watch Elden Ring "lore" video
    >apparently bears are dragons because they dropped dragon scales in closed alpha network test
    these youtubers are just making shit up, there is no story in this game

  100. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Marika, a c**t who knows better.

    Radagon, a nice guy turned dog.

    It is ironic.

  101. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    releases in: 1 hour
    releases in: 6 horus
    releases in: tomorrow

  102. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ERhaters getting BTFO'd all thread long

    based. I was glad to be here with you all

  103. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    “God” isn’t a proper definition, the same way “magic” or “supernatural” aren’t proper definitions

    What is a god to one is not going to be a god to another (“your god is a demon, mine is a true God!”) and it’s the same with magic (“that’s not magic, THIS is Magick!” is just another variant of “it’s a miracle, not magic”) and science (you can’t separate the two the same way you can’t separate art from science).

    Sometimes just being godlike is enough.

  104. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if the rune of death is gone and thats why you and enemies revive then why do bosses and npcs stay dead when you kill them?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good ol fromsoft

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The answer is so the game works but also something to do with remembrances

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think that's how the rune of death works. It's not a stand in explanation for re spawning.

      There are many burial rituals in the game and people are said to go back to the three and be reborn, so people do DIE and are reincarnated by the tree thanks to the lack of a rune of death.

  105. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Elden Ring is the only recent From game where I can't give a flying frick about anyone in the game. Every character just feels like a grey blob and it doesn't help when you have shit like Morgot/Margitt or other moronic shit. People will b***h and call me a waifuBlack person but it's likely why Ranni's ending was so popular, her route was the only one that felt like it had actual characters.
    >but Golden Order
    Goldmask is moronic
    >But muh based lord of frenzy
    The most moronic setup and zero payoff.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Goldmask is moronic
      D:

      How dare you, he is my favorite NPC in all video game history, autistic dude obssesd with religion structure and dogmas.

      Dress like a prostitute too. If only he had a nice bod with six packs we would be made for each other.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's a complete nothing character. I actually forget he exists every single time I do a playthrough because of how little presence he has, how dumb his ending is and how annoying his is to actually get compared to the others.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well, I love him.

  106. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You kill a bunch of degenerate pedophile demigods
    The end

  107. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    time is convoluted in lordran.

  108. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >NPC is so close to waking up.
    Would you dare becoming a real boy, Pinocchio?

  109. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i thoroughly enjoy elden ring. it's one of the most fun games i've ever played. i got 100% achievements and have tried to do every type of build and unorthodox playstyle. that being said i don't give a single solitary flying frick about the story. it's moronic. the more you learn about it, the more moronic it gets. all it should do for not unhinged schizos is provide context and set dressing for the game ie. radahn is a crazed general who was once very well respected. that's all i need to know. it adds to the context and makes the fight more fun.

    but if you are watching "lore" videos and trying to piece together a coherent plot out of this game then you are simply mentally ill or extremely bored with your life to the point where the act of just gaming itself doesn't fill the void anymore.

  110. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did Gideon turn on you, if he's all knowing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a self apointed title.

      He WANTS to be all knowing, it's not that he actually is.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They had to make him an idiot or else he’d be the most powerful wizard of all

  111. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Am I for the souls genre? I've been repelled every time trying to play it and I've tried 4 different entries including Elden Ring itself. It just doesn't feel that fun to me.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Try it
      >Get Pwned and Rage quit
      >say frick this game and call the fanbase a bunch of virgins
      >come back a year later
      >Now you get it

      I think we all have this story

  112. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just realized that the inverted statue doesn't magically flip the entire study hall- it just inverts gravity for the player and all the enemies

  113. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dude, read a real book, real literature, if a video game plot is giving you this much of a headache you may just be moronic.

  114. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This whole debate reminds me of Fallout lore homosexualry trying to explain fusion cores and ghoulification and why did the original tone and art design become googie homosexualry. If you try to find in universe reasoning for it you become a certified autistic schizo moron trying to piece together crumbs that the dev's probably didn't even intend to leave, when in reality decision x y or z was made because of marketing, gameplay or "rule of cool" and aren't based within an internally consistent framework. If you go beyond this line of thinking in media you will lose whatever chance of a functioning brain you may have had and become a wiki brained lorecel

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fallout is a literal diesel “yep, this is the perfect era lifestyle, we shall progress no further than this” punk setting so it cannot be taken seriously ever.

      There’s a point where science becomes surreal to the point of magic, and shit like Fallout or Bioshock are examples.

  115. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Miyazaki wings everything and thinks you’re all a bunch of idiots

  116. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have never watched a Vaati video before. I just play the games to explore and kill bosses

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