What are some moves that got done dirty?

What are some moves that got done dirty?

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dark Void.
    It got nerfed because Smeargle abused it in VGC, and then it got changed so that Smeargle can't even use it but it's still nerfed.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's broken on darkrai too.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        And Darkrai couldn't be used in the VGC at the time anyways due to being an eventmon.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Darkrai was never allowed in VGC, so all it did was kill Darkrai in normal multiplayer.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        not like it matters because no one is able to use darkrai on anything

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it got changed so that Smeargle can't even use it
      This is more offensive than the nerf, honestly. Such incredible cowardice

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Do you mean the animation? Cause crabhammer is amazing on the few things that get it

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Worse than waterfall and liquidation

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not really, it's still significantly stronger than either even if its inaccurate.
        Crawdaunt in comp still uses Crabhammer.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do you mean the animation? Cause crabhammer is amazing on the few things that get it

          Yeah but on Kingler it's worse than Sheer Force boosted Liquidation

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is 95 power? And a 10% secondary I think

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's 100 power with an increased crit rate.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thats it. How is that worse than waterfall or Liquidation. It's 15-20 power higher and the crits can vaporize walls

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Crawdaunt used Crabhammer!
            >and crits can vaporize wa-
            It missed!

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              And yet people run stone edge and head smash. 90 or 95% accuracy is a very small chance at missing

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mainly because they don't have a good alternative. If there was a 100 accuracy, 100 power version of Fire Blast, it'd always be used over the original.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No shit? If there was a widely distributed 100 power 100 accuracy move with no downside for any type people would always use it.
                Liquidation and Waterfall are 80 power.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not even close to being worse. Crawdaunt has access to all 3 and opts for Crabhammer 100% of the time.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No shit? If there was a widely distributed 100 power 100 accuracy move with no downside for any type people would always use it.
            Liquidation and Waterfall are 80 power.

            100% accuracy is better than that slight increase in power, like

            Mainly because they don't have a good alternative. If there was a 100 accuracy, 100 power version of Fire Blast, it'd always be used over the original.

            said. People use flamethrower instead of Fire Blast despite a 50 BP difference for a reason.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >People use flamethrower instead of Fire Blast
              It's not recommended.
              >50 BP
              holy overkill, it has never been more than 30 BP

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Wait what.
                How... I could swear Fire Blast and Hydro Pump were 150 BP. What the fuck.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                holy fucking kek anon, Hyper Beam is the move with 150BP

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                What a tragedy.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe learn what moves do before you try arguing about how good they are next time.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              Hats a choice and most droning players just copy safe team comps off of the internet. It is a viable option and luck is part of the game. If you can risk the miss then it's worth it. Depends on your team.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fortune favors the ambitious. I run technician instead of skill link on my cinccino and the KOs I can pull are insane. I rarely hit only twice, and three hits is a very minor drop in damage

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                the faster you kill your opponent's 6 mons the less likely they are to do the same for you so it's always worth running a stronger move so long as it lets you secure KOs and it lets you play around the downsides. The key is it has to be worth it as in it lets you secure a crucial KO by turning a 3HKO into a 2HKO or a 2HKO to a 1HKO.

                that's why people ran explosion back in gens 1-4. guaranteed to KO your own mon but if you could remove a key piece of your opponent's strategy then it was worth it.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >20 more power
              >10% less accuracy
              People will always choose that because the KO numbers are much better in exchange for missing rarely

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              >50 BP
              Fire Blast is 110 Power, 85 Accuracy
              Flamethrower is 90 Power, 100 Accuracy
              20 Extra power is often not worth the 15% accuracy drop, but 20 extra power and 12.5% crit rate is absolutely worth the 10% accuracy drop.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              They're both 20 BP differences and people totally use Fire Blast

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Aura Sphere past its gen 5 iteration.
    You go from a super-fast piercing energy bullet to a small light bubble that pops at contact.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bubble beam and aeroblast sound effects, they felt powerful
      Honorary mention to ice beam and blizzard, Gen 2 ice beam was amazing and blizzard now just turns your screen white, it's just not great

      Shame, it actually looked cool

      [...]
      100% accuracy is better than that slight increase in power, like [...] said. People use flamethrower instead of Fire Blast despite a 50 BP difference for a reason.

      Bitch if I get stab I'm using fireblast, if I'm not using it on a Pokemon with stab like chomp and slowbro I will check my targets to see if I miss a 2hko with flamethrower, Fire blast is the one 110 power 85% acc move that is absolutely worth running just because ferrothorn exists

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Alot of anons are forgetting 20 extra power is actually 30 extra with stab. Something like crabhammer, fireblast, hydro pump get much better KO ranges and are worth the accuracy loss

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    (OP)
    Teleport.

    Hear me out. They improved the move so it's now really fucking good as of 8th gen, and it's in Let's Go AND the Virtual console games as a TM, so the coverage became incredible and almost everything can learn it. Then they locked Pokemon who knew it out of being able to use it in online because they couldn't specifically learn the better version of Teleport in Sword and Shield. They improved the shit out of Teleport and made sure a ton of stuff had it just to tell players with Teleport Pokemon to go fuck themselves if they wanted to use it in online play. It's the worst version of move cucking.

    Close second goes to Dizzy Punch. They finally released the VC games and you can get Pokemon from them with moves that existed nowhere else. Fucking Odd Egg Pokemon with Dizzy Punch! But then they cut the Pokemon who use Signature Move is Dizzy Punch from the games and because of that they completely cut the move out itself. And if you think you can sit on the Odd Egg Dizzy Punch users in Home and just use them in the next game, prepare to be disappointed! Home flags them as cheated in and strips them of an exclusive move. There are no plans to change it and it is likely never going to be updated so they wont be flagged. Dizzy Punch got fucking SHAFTED.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ion deluge

    I bet most of you guys didn't even know it existed. Gamefreak has pretended it doesn't exist since 6th gen and made most of the pokemon who could learn it dexlocked.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It pops up on enemy teams in Clover

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Neat. Is that rom as cringey as it looks?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's an extremely fun game mechanically, maybe the most fun I've had. The jokes are what they are, if you cringe at a blackface Pokemon being the ideal HM slave I don't know what to tell you. It makes me laugh

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's fun and balanced, never feel overly challenging and most mons are viable with great moves. The jokes are very hit or miss, with some very low hanging fruits that might make you roll your eyes.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 5 and 6 introduced a lot of weird gimmicky status moves that are too situational do anything useful.
      The Room variants, Power and guard split, Telekinesis, Quash, Bestow, Electrify, Magnetic flux, Flower shield, Powder, Rototiller, Venom drench, probably more I'm forgetting.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Power and guard split
        >Bestow
        pretty sure that's Gen 4
        >Venom drench
        pretty sure that's Gen 7

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong on all counts.
          Power Split, Guard Split and Bestow are gen 5.
          Venom Drench is gen 6

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            huh. ogey

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know how good it is, but venom drench + toxic spikes is extremely satisfying

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I literally did not know this existed and thought you were Tentaquil'ing me

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I knew it existed solely because Zeraora's signature move has the same effect

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >gen 8 signature moves are all beyond busted
    >old signature moves are either straight downgrades from normal moves, literally removed or spread to more pokemon

    I hate gen 8 so much it's unreal

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Steamroller. It was a solid bug type move with a cool animation and they removed it for no reason. They didn't even cut Scolipede, they just took away his signature move. Sasuga, Gamefreak.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sasuga is supposed to be used when you admire what the superior person is doing.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Japanese people are also familiar with the concept of sarcasm

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah okay JSL.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >they just took away his signature move
      Game Freak sure does like nerfing Pokémon that don't need to be nerfed, like taking away Rock Polish from Aurorus's movepool in gen 8.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Aeroblast, that animation in Gen 2 made it feel like it had such punch to it. Then it was changed in Gen 3 and never recovered

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's true for almost everything. Gen2 animations were the last time attack animations had punch, before getting neutered because muh kids game.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >cool Signature move for the makuhita family
    >based on cool sumo lore
    >70 bp normal type for no reason.
    >secondary effect works on paralyzed pokemon only, which is something the makuhita family can't easily cause themselves
    >fucking HEALS paralysis after it's used
    >all this on top of the makuhita family coming with a great move pool, so no matter what game you're playing this pokemon will already have access to way better moves
    Why did they do this guy so dirty? Should've been fighting type at least, and shouldn't get rid of paralysis. At least then it'd be somewhat useful for in-game and have niche use in VGC.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Just get para with Force Palm :^)

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >done dirty

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Running a sub-95% accuracy move
    >Ever

    You can't score a 2HKO if you fucking miss entirely. If you rely on hitting Fire Blast twice just come up with a different strategy.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Someone is in need of crabhammer correction

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I have special eyes!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >he hasn't 6-0 swept with a head smash tyrantrum
      Embarassing

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ever since I lost my Battle Tree streak because Silvally missed on a 95% accurate move I've always stuck to 100% accuracy no matter what.

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