What are the implications of removing Toxic from the TM/TR list, and was it a good idea?

What are the implications of removing Toxic from the TM/TR list, and was it a good idea?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah that shit was cancerous. it shouldn't have taken them 25 years to correct that mistake

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was given to everything in gen 1 because there just were not as many moves. With over 1000 Pokémon today it's better to make movepools more individual.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Toxic and Double Team being TMs and being given to every Pokemon was Game Freak's attempt to make shitmons at least usable when battling other people.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can’t believe Game Freak removed every Pokémon’s ability to literally shit in their opponents mouth via Toxic

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Interestingly, Toxic was a TM again in BDSP but it was no longer a universal TM, in fact it was virtually worthless since it was usable by only a small group that already learned it by level up anyway. Only Bulbasaur, Gastly and Mew needed it IIRC.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was always fucking cancerous
    It's like if spore were a universal TM

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck stall. Good riddance.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the best move for countering stall is gone
      >stall is now stronger because there are less tools to counter it
      >"BOY AM I GLAD THAT STALL GOT NERFED!"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >every stall team isn't running Heal Bell/Rest/Refresh/whatever else on multiple monsters
        Play the game.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate toxic but it being gone is really good for stall which sucks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Opposite, it sucks for stall because now you can’t just make every attacker without recovery die on a timer.

      Stall is dead anyway with the recovery PP nerf

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >was it a good idea?
    Yeah but the execution was lacking.
    Some mons should get it by level up now.
    Umbreon should be a chief example for this.
    But no they took away Payback, Glare and nerfed Moonlight.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I liked it on more bulky mons to hinder counters on switch ins. Also, many lower tier mons needed it to do any type of good damage. I didn't find it particularly annoying. Pre-nerf burn and para were defintely more cancerous. I think it was an overall healthy move that made retards mald because they where unable to mindlessly click strong attacks constantly.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, it was a good move.
    It was an unfun attack that made one of the biggest aspects of the Poison type redundant because any monster could learn it.
    Scald being similarly heavily narrowed was great too. If anything I'd say that Ice Beam/Blizzard should be next in terms of reducing the number of Water types that can learn them.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Logically it is only poison (and in rare cases dark) types should be able to learn it anyway.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What about Bug and Grass?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, if bug types what also poison type and grass type what also poison type - they could have it
        In fact any mon what have poison as one of its types should be allowed to learn it, but no random bs

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Toxic on everything was stupid, but instead of just nuking it from everything they should've given us more ways to apply regular poison instead. Say, Steel-type move based on mercury that can poison other Steel-types (and by extension Grass-types too, but has worse accuracy than usual suspects), a poison-applying Fairy-type Scald called something like Bad Medicine or Overdose, or fuck, give Twineedle better distribution and damage.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pokemon no longer need to shit, therefore buttfucking them is mostly safe

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