What class would Batman be in D&D?

A rogue? A monk?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None because he's a mutants & masterminds character not a D&D character

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly, An ideal system

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman is a well written character, and thus has no place in the mediocrity of DnDogshit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Batman is a well written character
      Of all the versions of Batman by all the various authors this can be said maybe 20% of times. Which is still 20% more than the rest of the capeshit brigade.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's also 20% more than anything in DnD.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So...D&D is written well 16% of the time?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            give or take

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Go to bed, Frank Miller.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A capable "martial" character that doesn't need magic bullshit or superstrength to have worthwhile utility? Yes. Well written? Ehhhh not so much most of the time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Batman is a well written character

      God no. He's one of the most schizoid written characters across the DC universe.

      >Camp detective (Golden)
      >Caped Crusader (Silver)
      >PTSD the High-Functioning (Bronze/Copper)
      >Billionaire Edgelord Detective (Modern)

      Superman is better written than him:

      >Naïve Do Gooder (Golden)
      >Naïve Do Gooder (Silver)
      >Naïve Do Gooder (Bronze/Copper)
      >Bi-sexual (Modern)

      However:

      >has no place in the mediocrity of DnDogshit

      This is true no one deserves to wallow in shit; but it's the moat every IP has to cross to get a good system.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >God no. He's one of the most schizoid written characters across the DC universe.
        Must have something to do with how the property is almost a hundred years old and has had dozens upon dozens of different writers with their own idea of what batman 'is'.
        Personally, I'm in camp 'Rorschach, but without the mental issues and an actual justification for what he does.'

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Bi-sexual (Modern)
        That's a different Superman, but even then Superman has always been bisexual

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Billionaire Edgelord Detective (Modern)
        If you lump 90s Batman with Morrison Batman with Snyder Batman with King Batman with current Batman you are a huge (super)gay

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Superman is heterosexual.
        Gay shit is gay and has no business being in comics except as a lame joke.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Batman is a well written character

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chaotic Neutral DMPC.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fighter/Rogue.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rogue, fighter, monk, ranger and wizard, yep he knows how to cast magic and he's pretty good at it, he almost never uses it became he doesn't like it

    But he's a reality bender level omega that's more important than hus class

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >wizard, yep he knows how to cast magic and he's pretty good at it,
      nope

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's ok you can ignore it for your headcanon, nobody would blame you. At least I, won't Batman has many shitty runs and stuff that should be forgotten

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not ignoring shit. It didn't happen. It's all in your head. Batman has no superpowers.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Batman's superpower is "prep time". Honestly I think he is some sort of time wizard because dude has all this time to learn everything from mental meditation to block out psychic probing of his mind, mastering cutting edge (or alien) technology, keeping his body in peak shape, and maintaining a prolific cover identity. Im going to go out and say he also has regenerative powers because no one would be able to bounce back from an 1/8th of the shit he has gone through.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And magic, I'm not memeing, he trainer with Zatanna's father and other wizards, he of course is not as good as them but he knows incarnations, protection spells, circles to chain demons, etc. He doesn't like to use then (except when the plot demands it) because he's a logical person and doesn't like how chaotic magic can be

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When was this? Sounds non-canon as fuck.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He trained with a number of people before becoming Batman, Zatara was one. But I'm pretty sure he only taught Bruce Escapistry, Harry Houdini shit and maybe some stagecraft, not his Backwards Talk hoodoo.
                He also knows a number of Magic Users but his usual tendency is to call in a professional (usualy Jason Blood or Zatanna) and let THEM handle the magic bullshit. There's also some occasional Mysticism usually involving either Tibetans or in one weird story, an Alaskan Indian tribe which had a story about Bats that was one of the many inspirations for his taking up the mantle. This isn't exactly a retcon of "Yes Father, I shall become a bat" as much as it's a story of him figuring out how one BECOMES a bat.
                Might also be Non-Canon though.

                >Cheetah
                >Arch-nemesis of Wonder Woman
                >As fast as the Flash
                Batman: Selina we need to talk

                Cheetah isn't always a speedster. It's complicated.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Cheetah isn't always a speedster.
                Her name is literally Cheetah.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is there anyone that hasn't beat flash at some point?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Three old dudes with a fridge gun, a magic disco ball, and Australia bananas? Nah. How about your mom. No, he IS the *fastest* man alive…

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You forgot about the weird eyeball hand dudes, they taught some mind magic bullshit. It was around the time when Batman was doing meth, dressing like a superclown, and yelling into a battery-less radio. I, sad to say, am not exaggerating. I stopped reading sometime after he shot Darth Vader and started Quantum Leaping. Dunno wtf that was about but nobody should survive Omega Beams, Batman probably used magic shit. Batman supposedly never uses guns either, but that’s bullshit too. And not just the time he capped Darkside.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Dunno wtf that was about but nobody should survive Omega Beams,
                The Forever People are laughing at you fornbeing such a fucking secondary.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I believe in all of existence, there are two people who have evaded the omega beams.

                The first is batman.

                The second is Santa.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He survived re-entry in the atmosphere and hitting the ground at mach 30+ wearing only his cape
              He survived being punched by god from one corner of a city to another going through all the buildings in the middle
              He defeated two full powered kryptonians using only punches and kicks when in the previous panels they kryptonians were laughing at missiles, heavy mschineguns, tank shells, etc whe they hit them
              He outran and outreacted Flash
              He reflected back gamma rays using a bathroom mirror
              Etc

              Batman is shit

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Batman's superpower is "prep time".
              Which is why he's actually a gumshoe character with a high preparedness stat.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Im going to go out and say he also has regenerative powers because no one would be able to bounce back from an 1/8th of the shit he has gone through.
              Under some writers, Gotham's water supply is tainted by overflow from the Lazarus Pits. The thing that strengthens/resurrects people but can drive them crazy.
              Meaning that Batman and most of his Rogue's Gallery are mildly superhuman.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Batman's superpower is metatextual. His power is hes really popular and sells a shitload of comics. This is reflected in universe by him pulling whatever he needs out of his ass to deal with whatever super powered foe that would kill a non powered person.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman is basically the inspiration for the vigilante base class

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think they'd allow a class to start out with immortality, enough resiliance to use them as siege munitions and battering rams, perfect recovery factor and reality bending powers.

      That's like the basic bitch set of Batman's powers.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like that they conveniently don't show him really engage any of them. Batman could totally solo the rest of the JL guys, trust me. Apparently he can 1HKO WW, and the other characters just fall down? Even Aquaman is fucking superhuman. This is the dumbest shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In what world does batman throw anything fast enough to hit flash?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's been consistently writen like shit for decades
        In New Krypton arc he literally defeats two full powered kryptonians with punches, when said kryptonians weren't even feeling the missiles and 50 cal cannons fired at them by the USA army...I guess his punches are so refined they hit with the strength of 1 billion tank shells

        In the girl from krypton from worlds finest he withstood punches from Darkseid that sent him flying from one side of Apocolips' capital to the other and every building in between which I assume they're made of something as strong as metal and rocks and he was not only alive but still standing and quipping

        The list goes on, he's write and "I win I don't care, my father works at nintendo, no I win lalalala I can't hear you I'm stronger" from decades. The only good runs he has are the ones where he's alone in Gotham dealing with Gotham threats

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Flash should be able to incapacitate Batman before he even realized he was there.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Unfortunately they purposely make most versions of the flash a dunce so they can write him poorly and have an excuse for why he doesn’t win every fight instantly.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            They could at least write him in such a way that if he were to touch you at full speed you would just explode from the energy transfer. So he has to purposefully not atomically shred everyone he encounters.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is Batman's official statblock in Mutants & Masterminds. Note that the default power level (PL) of a game is PL10, which is a national-tier hero give or take.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The book actively acknowledges that Batman breaks the PL system by being way over budget, meaning he's overpowered for his proverbial weight class
      For the record, a PL12 character has 180 power points. PL12 is a high-end national hero/low-level world hero. If Batman's points properly translated to the correct power level, he'd be nearly PL19, which is cosmic-tier.

      Batman is busted, and the game knows it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Power point totals don't always scale with power level, there's even options in one of the books that basically let you trash it, or in that team supplement lower your power level for more point to spend.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's common in M&M to be rewarded with power points without your power level changing.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        PL12 has 180 power points at character creation. So long as you don't break limits, there's nothing stopping you from keeping your game at PL12 forever and only earn PP. The game even addresses this style of play.
        Look at Amazo's stat block.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >FGT 14
      that's right

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's funny how being a billionaire counts for so little but having a plane is the single biggest point sink.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Having money? Not that powerful. SPENDING THAT MONEY ON THING, that's where you start to become a powerhouse.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It's using equipment points. You get 5ep for each rank you take in the Equipment advantage, so it only actually costs 10pp.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Having money? Not that powerful. SPENDING THAT MONEY ON THING, that's where you start to become a powerhouse.

        Hey so since this has become an unofficial Mutants thread I actually have a question about this.

        So since Mutants treats money that's not expressed in the form of assets or connections as basically imaginary fluff, what's stopping someone from taking Benefit 5 billionaire and then solving everything multimillion dollar bribes?

        Save Nora? Here's a research grant, now put the ice gun away.
        Plants are dying to the anthropocene? Go start a massive conservationist preserve, also here's the last remaining seeds found during an archeological dig if you want to take a crack at resurrecting some extinct ones.
        Won't rat on your mobster buddies? Why don't you talk to my friend Benjamin and his 99,999 friends also named Benjamin.

        Or would that be considered stunting a linked power of Connection/Contacts + Enhanced Persuasion (+2 x [rank of wealth benefit -1]), so you're limited by number of victory points?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >So since Mutants treats money that's not expressed in the form of assets or connections as basically imaginary fluff, what's stopping someone from taking Benefit 5 billionaire and then solving everything multimillion dollar bribes?
          The genre.

          >Save Nora? Here's a research grant, now put the ice gun away.
          This works for about three weeks, until another scientist in the building suggests taking a blood sample, Freeze freaks the fuck out thinking the guy is in love with Nora and now the entire building is covered in ice. Also this dirupted some experiments and created more supervillains.
          >Plants are dying to the anthropocene? Go start a massive conservationist preserve, also here's the last remaining seeds found during an archeological dig if you want to take a crack at resurrecting some extinct ones.
          Bruce actually tried to get Ivy working with Wayne tech to do ecological initiatives AND gave her a formula to turn her human again.
          Didn't work, she's a psycho and she wants to kill people
          >Won't rat on your mobster buddies? Why don't you talk to my friend Benjamin and his 99,999 friends also named Benjamin.
          Woah, mister Wayne, nice of you to be here. Now shut the fuck up you're our hostage now and we want like a 100 times what you just said.
          Alternatively, that works on that mob guy. Who is then targeted by Deadshot and Deathstroke and a dozen other assassins. You have to fight them all.

          Batman spends untold billions in charity around Gotham. Infrastructure, jobs for ex-cons, school grants so children don't have to become criminals, campaign funds for non-corrupt officials. When Gotham got completely destroyed he rebuilt it. Whatever you can think off he's already doing.
          It doesn't work.

          >The book actively acknowledges that Batman breaks the PL system by being way over budget, meaning he's overpowered for his proverbial weight class
          For the record, a PL12 character has 180 power points. PL12 is a high-end national hero/low-level world hero. If Batman's points properly translated to the correct power level, he'd be nearly PL19, which is cosmic-tier.

          Batman is busted, and the game knows it.

          So is Superman, PL15, points of a PL19 almost 20. Hell yeah, they're busted, they're the most busted heroes in their comic book world.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Batman spends untold billions in charity around Gotham.
            Osama Bin Laden probably spent millions on roads, hospitals and charitable endowments. Doesn't change the fact that his main field of activity was terrorism and all that stuff was ancilliary to ennabling his terrorist activities.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            So what you're saying is it does solve those individual interactions (as long as they make the persuasion roll), just not permanently because villains be villains, if they were mentally stable and/or had an ounce of honor they wouldn't be building death rays, extorting ice cream parlors, or selling super roids on the black market.
            At best you might convince the traumatized, belittled, and vengeful starry-eyed anti-establishment zealots (e.g. Heinz Doodenschmirtz & Dr Horrible) who have signed onto bigger organizations whose goals don't actually align 100%, because they think it's the only path to what they want (due recognition and justice), but in those cases money isn't terribly relevant to talking them down.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Barbara (1 point)
      >Batmobile (1 point)
      >Batplane (49 points)
      Wtf, is flying OP in M&M or are jets just so expensive?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're using an array. An array lets you use the same amount of points for different powers/effects with the assumption that you can't use those powers at the same time. The base value of the array starts with the most expensive item, which in this case is the Batplane. Then, you can spend 1 point to use those same points used in the Batplane to create another power set - in this case, 1 point for the Batmobile and another 1 point for the Batboat.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For contrast, this is Darkseid's stat block. He's the exact same cost as Batman, but at a much higher power level. Batman's also better at dodging and blocking incoming attacks than Darkseid, but I digress.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Power Level 16
        Are these different from the Power Levels in DBZ?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Power Level (PL) in Mutants & Masterminds determines your superhero bracket or weight class. PL10 is the default level and is for big-city/low-level national heroes like Spider-Man or Green Arrow. PL8 is the high-end of street-level. A PL16 character is galactic-tier and on the fringe of cosmic-tier (PL14 is where you'd find the likes of world protectors like Superman)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If I recall the farmer that Raditz met had a power level of 2. So Goku is the equivalent of over 4500 men.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Power levels in DBZ are meant to be meaningless, they are not meant to be taken as reliable gauges of the characters' strength or abilites

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The thing is that Frieza's men have more-or-less static power levels because they fight like brutes. But in places like Earth their power levels go up and down like crazy mid-combat, both from emotions and from more sophisticated fighting styles that concentrate their energy into one part of the body while attacking.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              For the viewer. But in the show they are commonly shown to be reliable in basically every instance EXCEPT when dealing with the main characters who alter their power levels constantly, and are generally just prone to "hidden strength".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      His gay score is 14! Incredible

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And here's a PC budget version some anon posted in the supers general

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Kinda related mostly a blog:
      In my first and only M&M game I played Batman. though my Batman slightly different, he was still super handsome but not rich (actually strugling) and could fly, had echo sonar, sonic blacts and the ability to inspire fear to the cowardly lot through pheromones. Power were randomly generated in a different system but honestly fit pretty well with the "bitten by a radioactive bat"
      WB hired a group of villains to kill me for infringing copyright

      It had PL 10 (but with points as a 12) and that sheet blows me out of the water

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fighter/Artificer Multiclass

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Cheetah
    >Arch-nemesis of Wonder Woman
    >As fast as the Flash
    Batman: Selina we need to talk

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      C'mon, Batman, that's no way to talk to a woman. Well, not unless you're Irish.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like when a hero interacts with someone else's villain.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >nice one, steph
        Wait how many batgirls are there now

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Officially, there have been four Batgirls.
          >Betty Kane
          >Barbara Gordon
          >Cassandra Cain
          >Stephanie Brown

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Not batgirl technically, but there’s a female Robin in the Dark Knight Returns and she’s surprisingly likable.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not sure it's stated she has Flash-tier speed, but Cheetah is known to have super strength, super speed, heightened senses and rending claws. Her weakness is that she regularly succumbs to bloodlust and has a revenge streak, mostly pointed towards Wonder Woman.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I'm not sure it's stated she has Flash-tier speed

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Cheetah is slower than Superman
          So no, she doesn't have Flash-tier speed. All that matters is that she's faster than Wonder Woman.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            She's faster than kid-flash and god-speed how is that not flash tier?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sadly, none of these characters are faster than Retcon.

          Jesus, lmao even

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Cheetah isn't always a speedster.
      Her name is literally Cheetah.

      Cheetah can move about as fast as a cheetah, around 60mph in a short burst.
      The Flash moves at speeds best measured in miles per second.
      They're not comparable.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Cheetah can move about as fast as a cheetah, around 60mph in a short burst.
        Right....

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Cheetah can move about as fast as a cheetah, around 60mph in a short burst.
        Right....

        Cheetah's gimmick, apart from the source of her power, is to be a speedster/hunter villain in comparison to her hero, Wonder Woman. She is a beast with speed to spare compared to the Amazon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Remember, these are comics with a high degree of versimilitued, so god is real, a Cheetah can naturally move faster than the speed of sound and a spider can lift railway cars and there are no real estate development companies in New York.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He can also create mecha with AI that can predict his enemies movements. That's like dwarven engineering.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not that he needs it (yes, he's that good)

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't care, not canon

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a superhero comic. Nothing is canon, everything is subject to retcons and former fans making their Mpreg Lex LuthorXSuperman fanfics real.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In this case

          is explicitly an alternate timeline.

          I believe in all of existence, there are two people who have evaded the omega beams.

          The first is batman.

          The second is Santa.

          Batman hasn't evaded the Omega beams. He was hit with the Omega Sanction, something completely different.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He was hit by something completely different
            Ah yes, he was hit by a death ray that killed him in the present and future, but sent him back to stone age and turned his body into a bomb that would end the universe.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A Capitalist.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman, like all real characters, would not conform to the rigid and arbitrary D&D class system.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    plot armor is a class?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I can't even read this because the inconsistencies around Flash's speed are just retarded. He can run faster than light? So fast he can run back in time? He can catch something that a person across the room unexpectedly dropped, be loses initiative to Batman and can't close the gap faster than Batman can throw a smoke bomb?
    And how is Batman able to drop Wonder Woman with a punch? This just looks dumb. They buff Batman way too much.l and nerf everyone around him.
    Capeshit is just fucked

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Different writers come up with different bullshit to handicap different characters to make them beatable. Speedsters are where it's most obvious.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's almost like it's not historical record and the powers are in fact just a vehicle to tell stories.
      That's silly though it's all real and has to be perfectly accurate every single time.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not like the powers are particularily important, because Batman allegedly has none and Superman can pull whatever power he needs out of a hat.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it's just bad story telling
        I can agree to that.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A level 12 vigilante.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Multiclass obviously

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Batman isn't a player character. He's a dmpc with dm fiat. He's the guy who's already figured out the plan before you even got there because of course he did, he's played by the dm. If you attack him he's not only fully meta aware of your stats, his dice are fudged and rocks are ready to fall if you do too well. On the character sheet he's just some dude. In the setting, he's got god on his side. Any character can be the strongest when you're the guy making up the rules.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Dark Heresy except instead of an Inquisitor and his retinue it's Batman and his sidekicks.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but at least Batman has interesting fun plot armor, they still have to write creative ways for him to win. Superman has plot armor, and still wins the same way every time, by being stronger than the person he’s fighting. In Death of Superman he gets his ass beat the entire time, and then still kills him because apparently he was holding back the entire time?

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Gestalt. At least three, maybe five classes.
    Also, have to use Pathfinder, for Brawler (non supernatural monk) and Vigilante (for a functioning secret identity)

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    He would have to progress as several classes simultaneously to be even close to the comics.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Monk
    Strong emphasis on hand to hand, very nimble, has a bunch of weapons that are complete dog shit but he makes them do wonders somehow.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Wizard//Factotum with the Uncanny Forethought feat. "Utility belt that does anything" is his spell component pouch.

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