90% of games just utilize monotheism so more often than not, it's extremely boring and underutilized.
Like said a lot of JRPGs will have some type of "god" figure as the primary antagonist but I think polytheism is vastly more interesting. Or at least have multiple monotheistic religions conflicting with each other in your in-game universe.
>Elder Scrolls verse is created >at first it's only gods and sentient primordial forces that pop up, no planets or people >one god named Lorkhan had the idea to create a mortal plane but couldn't do it himself, convinced the other gods to help >gods realize too late that creating mortal plane saps them of thier essence/power the ones that don't "die" to becomes fundamental forces either fuck off to Heaven forever or stick around for the sole purpose of beat the shit out of Lorkhan >gods that do stick around get together and decide Lorkhan needs to die for his trick, they tear him to pieces which becomes Nirn (i.e. Earth) and it's two giant moons >turns out this was Lorkhan's plan the whole time, he's now inseparable from his own idea dream universe, gets to fuck around and play for eternity now
I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE
It's a bit more complicated, but the internet must simplify everything for retards that use it. But the origin is that some early Christians didn't like how the God in the Old Testament is kind of a cunt so they said that he was probably Satan tricking the garden gnomes to do his bidding and that Christians shouldn't use Old Testament.
They were. Even garden gnomes would agree. The Tanach specifically keeps all that material around to invite the faithful to think critically of their own religion.
Literally a garden gnome in a stick. Zoroastrian, Roman-Greek Polytheism or even Arian Christianity are all contemporary faiths that are more preferable to this falsehood
1 week ago
Anonymous
>this falsehood
er.... someone gonna tell this guy or what?
1 week ago
Anonymous
When is he coming back? Tell me that much if you are so insightful
1 week ago
saucy
Jesus is always right around the corner.
Speak of the devil, anon.
1 week ago
Anonymous
2 more millenia, this time for sure
1 week ago
saucy
True, we would only be so lucky ;_;
1 week ago
Anonymous
He isn't you illiterate pleb. He won't be until he comes back, except it's been 2000 years with multiple world ending scenarios and yet the garden gnome on a stick has not yet returned. Modern Christians don't even pretend to have ancient Christian values. All you care about is conversion of every single African at any cost, even your own children. Go adopt some African orphans and convert them to modern Christianity rather bothering to attempt to have some of your own you low test gay
1 week ago
saucy
I mean most people who care about Jesus coming back are Catholic, though Protestants are very happy to hear his name. It depends on the kind of denomination.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>multiple world ending scenarios >literally nothing that comes close to threatening >50% of the landmass/population etc.
really makes you think
1 week ago
Anonymous
>The Black Detah and European Great Famine never happened.
I have learned to expect modern Christians to have no understanding of history and yet I am still disappointed
1 week ago
Anonymous
The Mongols are the deadlier world ending scenario, in fact the Black Death was just one of their many shenanigans
1 week ago
Anonymous
Mongols only destroyed the Arab world when they annihilated Baghdad. You mean to say the Golden Horde but are too retarded to realize that was long after the disintegration of the Mongols empire.
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Apparently the lead writer said it's based on Christianity, Japanese folklore and Aztec rituals.
Probably because the writer has read more than Ganker. Everything written here is a case hood unless proved otherwise. Only a fool would believe the opposite
1 week ago
Anonymous
>You mean to say the Golden Horde
No, I'm pretty sure I meant to group all the Mongols under one roof by using the term Mongol
1 week ago
Anonymous
Read a fucking book zoomer.
1 week ago
Anonymous
and this is >50% of world pop?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Do you even read the posts that you reply too? Of course not. Zoomers don't fucking read. You gays can't even read an analog clock
1 week ago
Anonymous
>multiple world ending scenarios >literally nothing that comes close to threatening >50% of the landmass/population etc.
this was what you replied to. retard. so i will ask you again. did the black death kill 50% of the world pop? crying gay
1 week ago
Anonymous
Go ahead and quote me then gay. You can't and won't because you can't fucking read. You don't even know what we are arguing about. Put down the water bowl zoomer. Maybe if you sober up we can have a discussion about whatever the fuck you have a problem with
1 week ago
Anonymous
oh it's just a schizo rambling. back to gaming
1 week ago
Anonymous
Zoom zoom
1 week ago
Anonymous
>this falsehood vs those falsehood
tard rage detected
>old testament plays out like a foreign invasion with cheat codes >7 seven catastrophic events wash over the capital while the supposed deities of that land watch on silently
Gotta wonder what ole Horus and the rest of the gang were doing during that whole shitshow. Anubis would've been on overtime when all that shit kicked off topside.
>Gotta wonder what ole Horus and the rest of the gang were doing during that whole shitshow
Fucking dying. The purpose of the plagues of egypt is that God killed the lesser deities/spirits or at least took command and control of their portfolios enough that the good fortune they had given to the egyptians was no more. Blocking out the sun is a big fucking deal to a people who venerated that shit as their chief, and sometimes only, god.
Trying to put together some sort of cohesive collection of Gnostic beliefs is harder than going through Nier lore. Everywhere I look Gnosticism is used to refer to completely different things with completely different interpretations.
Of course, it wasn't a cohesive thing. In the Catholic church they were fought militarily as rebels against the order, like Cathars and some Hussite groups. The Byzantines have somewhat accepted the existence of Bogomilists but never gained a strong foothold as they preached hardcore asceticism, while going further East would result in Manichaeism having greater Zoroastrian and Buddhist influences and quite a success for some time among the Uighurs, which remains the only source of actual dogma of that dead religion.
>the God in the Old Testament is kind of a cunt
He had to deal with fucking garden gnomes of all people. If you actually read it God is incredibly patient with them. The Israelites spurn God at least 10 times in the desert, and he finally tells them off when they're about to lynch Moses and his family because "WAAAAH GOD CAN'T HELP US TAKE THE HOLY LAND, IT'S NOT LIKE HE LITERALLY DID THAT IN EGYPT", and even then he doesn't just obliterate them as they deserved but had mercy, letting them live out the rest of their days as wanderers and giving the land to their kids. If you've ever had to deal with a garden gnome in person you'd realize that God was incredibly merciful with them.
There's other passages wherein the wording implies that the person in question is lying about God's will. For example, the commanded total genocide of the Canaanites is largely what some dude says God totally wants them to do, where God hasn't given any input. It's quite literally the earliest example of people twisting faith to push their own secular agendas. It would therefore mean that the subsequent "punishment" as seen in the time of the Judges was not because they didn't wipe out the Canaanites, but due to their bloodthirsty and unforgiving hatred for them. Christ Himself had a Canaanite as one of his disciples and he pretty much said this.
Not that the Canaanites didn't deserve to be fucked up a little and have their culture destroyed, they were literally burning their children alive on altars to their idols, but there's ways to conquer and adapt a people to your own ideology rather than just killing as many as you can and taking the rest as slaves.
It's also worth considering that they had yet to receive a fuller revelation as Christ gave to us. For most of their history, the Hebrews didn't believe good people went to heaven, but maintained the pagan view of the afterlife as those in ancient Mesopotamia (where Abraham came from), that there was only a dismal underworld for all.
>If you actually read it God is incredibly patient with them.
This is only the case if you buy the monotheistic view on the religion, but when you look into it and find out that the Israelites back then were still polytheists, Yahweh's insistence that he's the ONLY one anyone should be allowed to worship becomes really petty instead. Of course people will start including the peacetime gods more in their worship after the warrior god has helped them with military matters, it doesn't mean they suddenly decided to just switch from the One True God™ to false gods for no reason. The OT is basically the story of a polytheistic people going around using their war god to dab on their enemies and then the war god getting mad when they don't solely focus on him during peacetime as well, rinse and repeat.
>when you look into it and find out that the Israelites back then were still polytheists
That's a loaded sentiment. Canaanite religion stuck around for a while because they didn't follow through with either the purge nor merely clamping down on these native religions of their slaves, and even before they entered the Promised Land many Israelites were seduced into following their ways. This kind of thing occurred in history and still does occur with the intermingling of peoples. Many would probably still worshipped God as they did this, but that doesn't mean this was an accepted tenet of Abrahamic religion, no more than me worshipping Jesus and Buddha makes Buddha a part of the Holy Quadrinity now. >Yahweh's insistence that he's the ONLY one anyone should be allowed to worship becomes really petty
The OT never says these pagan gods are real. Even from the earliest texts, there's a strict denial of the existence of other gods. The only time they're spoken "to" is when it's done facetiously and insultingly, urging these idols made of wood and metal to do something or say something if they're real, and mocking the pagans for worshipping an inanimate object they made with their own hands that can't even save itself if someone were to tear it down and destroy it, much less the pagan who cries out for this "god" to save him.
This is similar to how they treat magic, also denying it's existence. Magicians and necromancers are called out for their sleight of hand and throwing their voices to make the dead "speak" or similar tricks. It's made more clear later on, beforehand it was assumed by the ancient readers that the Pharaoh's "magicians" were merely charming snakes (if held right, the snake will stand still as a rod, when thrown down it moves again), and even they were probably assuming Moses was merely doing this as well rather than actually doing magic, or that it was the act of a God they didn't believe it.
It's a bit more complicated, but the internet must simplify everything for retards that use it. But the origin is that some early Christians didn't like how the God in the Old Testament is kind of a cunt so they said that he was probably Satan tricking the garden gnomes to do his bidding and that Christians shouldn't use Old Testament.
On top of being specifically a criticism of Yahweh, it also doubles as a criticism of corruption in the leadership of the Christian church itself.
Nah it's just the observation that the very nature of the universe is built on pain and suffering, nothing can exist without attacking and preying on something else.
humans get pleasure from killing things in video games and violence in physical sport back to gladiation so how is it farfetched that those desires arent inherited from our creator as are many things when it comes to genetics and behaviors?
I don't think there's any genuinely religious people under the age of 50 left
no one follows any of the actual tenets of their supposed faith, only the most superficial ones
most americans think of christian canon as more paradise lost and the divine comedy than the actual bible
it's a strange phenomenon
I know this isn't vidya but I'm genuinely curios. Do any other anons think Gnosticism could make an actual revival / comeback in the coming years? Zoomers have started to return to religion and no doubt the generation after them will probably continue the trend. Though in the current online age I think a decentralized Christianity focused on Gnostic teachings could actually have a lot of sway / believers with the right people preaching it. I've been tempted to start doing YouTube videos with the hopes of using it to branch over into discussing Gnostic thought with various other obscure religious teachings. Though I'm an unconfident smoothbrain and worry I would sound too much like a schizophrenic retard
Why not? Don't get me wrong. I think it's unlikely any new religion will form anytime soon. Though I'd say it could have the same amount of potential as any other weird sect of Christianity / Buddhism / Pagan revival suddenly popping up.
Honestly anon, what you're looking for is Christianity.
Very true. Though as another anon mentioned
It might just because zoomers can't stand the Old Testament or fundamentalist Christianity preached today.
It's also true that a lot of people have issues with many current church practices today and they could find something both familiar yet distinct with Gnostic Christianity. Plus a more politically minded person could easily use various thoughts of Gnostic belief to name certain groups today as great enemies of Humanity and that they need to fight against them. Pretty much creating a new Satanic panic but this time it's against Demiurge worshippers trying to do evil shit Though this is all hypothetical and is just me crapping out something I though was interesting on the internet.
Jesus fucking Christ. Why are you gays taking zoomers into consideration at all? They will be the weakest of Christians if that is what you want. They are vain, degenerate, ignorant, and have no capacity for rational thought. Your next saviour will not be from them so stop pretending like they matter.
Because some people actually look at the situation of younger generations to get an idea of what sort of politics or social changes them getting older will lead to?
Well, that's a very depressing state of mind for you. It's also been repeated throughout history and is also not true. Just because shit looks bad now with idiots who have no business even using the air they breathe, doesn't mean things are hopeless or doomed. Societies throughout history have always had times where things went to shit. Only for good people to turn things around and create new highs of prosperity.
I dont know what it is and could not tell you if any video game ever has ever even made an attempted to implement it.
Shin-Megami-Tensei and Persona are the two game series that most people will have been introduced to it. Though plenty more have themes that take inspiration from it. The Elder Scrolls being a big one.
Christianity is a regressive religion that focuses on worship rather than self-empowerment. In an age of reactionary individuality, those seeing independence from the collectivistic notions of their countrymen would find it in teachings such as that of Gnosticism.
Respectfully, anon, you don’t seem to have even a superficial understanding of what Christianity is. You certainly don’t seem to understand Gnosticism. The Gnostics were Christians.
I'm not an idiot, Christianity specifically forbids practices that lead to self-realization in the physical plane. Its emphasis on salvation through worship of an ulterior being, and in living this life solely to achieve the afterlife, is both life-disaffirming, and anti-individualistic.
Gnosticism is focused on attaining realization of the Divine Spark through revelations (gnosis), resulting in eventual freedom from the cycle of life and death, and from the clutches of the Demiurge (YHVH).
Of course, I have my gripes with all religious viewpoints, but Gnosticism inherently promotes individualism, unlike Christianity, which is both a collectivistic and individual-denying religion.
Jesus fucking Christ. Why are you gays taking zoomers into consideration at all? They will be the weakest of Christians if that is what you want. They are vain, degenerate, ignorant, and have no capacity for rational thought. Your next saviour will not be from them so stop pretending like they matter.
>They are vain, degenerate, ignorant, and have no capacity for rational thought
How does that separate them from the Boomer population that is overrepresented in all forms of governance around the planet?
>le disengenuiono
he is quite literally a Gnostic gay and thinks shes his syzergy or whatever. It's so fucking disheartening to see, I've know this guy forever and now he's such a pathetic gay.
I've known him since elementary school and he got into in middle and deep into it in highschool. I never really paid much attention to so I couldn't answer that, but like god damn. He just mopes all day. How do I make him stop?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Ignore him. It's the same answer as a desperate woman. Just deny him the attention like you would some dumb whore on the street. Attention beggars have the same weakness no matter who or what they are
Gnosticism is literally built into the basic DNA of Christianity. The Nicene and Gnostic variations of the religion effectively imply one another, and straying too close to either pole will ultimately lead to error. The "Satan" figure in both versions is God to himself and Devil to the other: the authoritarian tyrant and the subversive traitor. At the same time, bits of their counterparts exist in each.
This is why Gnosticism continually springs up throughout history despite the sects literally getting genocided multiple times. As long as Christianity exists, so will Gnosticism - and vice versa. They are two parts of a whole.
The Church was pretty effective at eradicating Gnostic theology. The only writings that survived was from the enemies of Gnosticism until 1945 - then lucky for us they stumbled across the Nag Hammadi library.
The furthest Gnosticism can climb is a Wiccan level following.
And as far as I'm aware the youtube channel "ESOTERICA" has already cornered the market on talking about obscure religious content.
Yeah, perhaps your right. Still though enough weirdos like Wicca enough that it would be a sizeable number. I did actually watch some of Esoterica's videos. Though I stopped after a little while since he felt the need to heavily emphasis about the possibility of gay monks and gays in general with Christianity and it happened in more than one video for me to feel a little off about it. Surely, it's just a coincidence he's from the small hat tribe also. Still though, it made me skeptical of what else he might be making and if he is more interested in pushing a message. Perhaps I should give some more of his videos a watch.
I was thinking making videos more on the symbiology and inspirations of various occult and religious writings / themes in gaming though. I know some people have made posts or videos similar to it already online about specific subjects. Though having a channel dedicated to exploring it could be kinda fun to do.
Gnosticism is entirely misunderstood, it was supposed to be philosophical concepts given names for ease of understanding, thousands of years later schizos attach themselves into taking it literally.
Gnosticism was a mistake.
You definitely have no idea what the history of Gnosticism was. I love it when retards like you who have never read a book from the ancients proclaim to know the truth and have LOGOS despite your hubris
>supposed to be philosophical concepts
just because something claims to be knowledgeable doesn't ACTUALLY mean it is. you're the perfect example
I'm not claiming this is the first time gnosticism has been misunderstood, gnosticism has dipped in and out culture since it's inception. It was a big alternative psuedo religion thing in the 19th century too.
>supposed to be philosophical concepts
tell us more about these supposed philosophical concepts instead of crying foul misunderstanding so we can laugh at you
Do you need me to literally spell out the biggest philosophical questions asked centuries before gnosticism like the different states of material and immaterial, the at the time misunderstood forces of nature and pursuit of knowledge in comparison to the core beliefs of your *not* religion? Get over yourself schizo retard.
It wasn’t a complete mistake, but I do agree that people on Ganker seem to think that the message of Gnosticism is that there is no hope and that engaging in masturbatory sophistry on anonymous imageboards is crucial to their enlightenment and spiritual development. Bunch of annoying midwits and acid casualties is what they are.
I'm not an idiot, Christianity specifically forbids practices that lead to self-realization in the physical plane. Its emphasis on salvation through worship of an ulterior being, and in living this life solely to achieve the afterlife, is both life-disaffirming, and anti-individualistic.
Gnosticism is focused on attaining realization of the Divine Spark through revelations (gnosis), resulting in eventual freedom from the cycle of life and death, and from the clutches of the Demiurge (YHVH).
Of course, I have my gripes with all religious viewpoints, but Gnosticism inherently promotes individualism, unlike Christianity, which is both a collectivistic and individual-denying religion.
You sound like an idiot based on what you’ve posted. I had bad experiences at church too, but I swallowed my pride and have decided not to let a handful of evil people that I was unfortunate enough to have in my life color my perception of what Christianity truly is.
You're the one here hurling insults at others, I'd call that true idiocy. Of course, someone of your caliber would surely attribute value to such things.
Regardless, my views of Christianity are not derived from experiences with the church, but rather of my own independent research and experiences conversing with other Christians of all colors of denomination. I believe based on what I have both read and experienced, that Christianity is not only an incredibly nihilistic religion, but an almost intentionally regressive one as well.
>If Christians did attain freedom from the archons/aliens/whatever through Christ, we'd already be living in the normal reality (non-prison planet).
This kinda sounds nonsensical. Can you elaborate on this?
My original post detailed my viewpoints on prison-planet conspiratorialism. You, or the poster before you, mentioned the teachings of Christ for whatever reason. I then tried to relate their post to my own through the exercise of my reasoning facilities.
I came to the conclusion that he must have believed Christ would aid him in escaping the prison-planet, or would be fundamentally against this order of the prison-planet in some way, so I tried to correct him on that viewpoint, and tell him my beliefs, that being, that Christianity will not deliver you from the perils of this world.
I think that Christianity is one of the many paths a person can take to achieve Gnosis. I’m honestly stumped at how you can genuinely be a Gnostic and not feel the same way.
And come on, anon. Hurling insults? I was telling you that you sound like an idiot based on what you’ve posted because, well, you do. The impression I have of you based on your posts itt is of someone who places a greater importance on being the man with all of the answers than the salvation and liberation of the human race. If you’re truly convicted in these beliefs of yours I would be doing you disservice by not giving you my honest opinion of you based on what you have to say.
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Anonymous
I'm not a Gnostic. I mentioned that I have gripes will all religious viewpoints in a previous post.
Christianity is not an adequate path of achieving Gnosis, and "Gnosis" is such a vague term that it holds almost no real meaning, especially in the modern day.
Christianity cannot be an adequate path for attaining Gnosis, since the "gnosis" that the Gnostics speak of is not only fundamentally opposed to the teachings of the Bible, but comes about through individual revelation and meditation, rather than through prayer and worship of YHVH (Yaldebaeoth). Christianity is a religion focused on worship, and through worship, salvation in death. It is a life-disaffirming religion that fundamentally goes against the main tenets of Gnosticism, which is, attainment of divine knowledge, and realization of the Divine Spark, which leads to ascension, all originating on the physical plane, which is an afterthought in Christian theology.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>all originating on the physical plane
You're thinking about hermetism. The Caibalion is much closer to your view of gnosticism than the actual books that somewhat makes a gnostic canon.
The very act of trying to escape the cycle of life and death goes against a purely physical perception of reality.
Jesus himself talks about the divine spark in the form of the Holy Spirit. A lot of gnostic teachings can be seen in the Book of John, you know, the one from the actual Bible
1 week ago
Anonymous
If a spiritual worldview is being stated on Ganker of all places you can be assured it's not anywhere near as deep as it makes itself out to be.
>You sound like an idiot based on what you’ve posted.
On the contrary, he sounds like someone who actually knows what he's talking about and as a response you just keep going "nuh uh, you're dumb" without any substance. Just because you disagree with someone it doesn't make them dumb.
All religions and viewpoints are born of ignorance. Gnostic ideas are interesting as they are subversive toward the ideals of all modern religions, even scientism/atheism. I am fundamentally individualistic, so viewpoints such as Gnosticism are inherently appealing, but I wouldn't attribute absolute value toward the views of Gnosticism.
Note how these narratives never mention how to fight back against the archons/aliens/government, only how to escape their grasp by running away from this reality in death.
The notions of prison planet conspiracies exist solely to lead people away from fixing our fucked up reality, and instead convincing them that they're too weak to make a difference, so they should instead fuck off to safety.
It's seriously annoying seeing people continue to perpetrate shit like this.
Very, very annoying, yes. At no point does Gnosticism invalidate Christ, but these so-called Gnostics don’t seem to find any value in Christ’s teachings or even vaguely Christ-like figures.
Maybe they see themselves as already being this reality’s Christ figure instead of being someone who should aspire to be like him. They do claim to already have attained Gnosis, after all.
>nothing to do with what you replied to
Peddle your Molochian desert tribe cult beliefs elsewhere.
1 week ago
Anonymous
It’s incredibly amusing that a self-proclaimed Gnostic would take issue with someone agreeing with some things that a very old religion from a foreign land has to say. I’m not even a Christian, anon.
When did I ever attribute any value to Christ or his teachings in my post?
The moral framework of the bible works for creating harmonious circumstances in the physical world, this is true, but you will not attain any freedom from the current world order through Christ.
If Christians did attain freedom from the archons/aliens/whatever through Christ, we'd already be living in the normal reality (non-prison planet).
1 week ago
Anonymous
>If Christians did attain freedom from the archons/aliens/whatever through Christ, we'd already be living in the normal reality (non-prison planet).
This kinda sounds nonsensical. Can you elaborate on this?
Fake God thinks he's the real God because it can only perceive itself. In Gnostic lore Sophia stuffs the Demourge in a dark space out of shame and the Demiyrhe thinks it's the highest power.
All connections to religion are born from ignorance and end in ignorance upon death, as the religious man dies unknowing of the true nature of the cosmos.
Behead the gnostic, behead the Christian. Behead the atheist, behead the Hindu. Behead all those who follow such worthless regressive institutions.
I am not crazy! I am not crazy. I KNOW the Demiurge trapped us in the material world! I knew the creation of matter was caused by Sophia's fall. One emanation from the Logos. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got those idiots at the Council of Nicaea to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That garden! Are you telling me that Anthropos just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Yaldabaoth! He ejaculated into mud through the firmament to create Adam! And I worshipped him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own temples! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since Eden, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the Pleroma! But not our Demiurge! Couldn't be precious Samael! God of the blind! And he gets to be a deity!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him! You-
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I am not crazy! I am not crazy. I KNOW the Demiurge trapped us in the material world! I knew the creation of matter was caused by Sophia's fall. One emanation from the Logos. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got those idiots at the Council of Nicaea to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That garden! Are you telling me that Anthropos just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Yaldabaoth! He ejaculated into mud through the firmament to create Adam! And I worshipped him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own temples! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since Eden, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the Pleroma! But not our Demiurge! Couldn't be precious Samael! God of the blind! And he gets to be a deity!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him! You-
No!
Christians actively suppressed civilization in Europe. They bound our pagan wise women with special seals so they couldn't cast spells and weakened our warriors with gnomish curses
that period of time is when aliens obliterated the gnostics and technology and innovation stagnated until modern homosaps discovered the technology left by the aliens because the ancients were getting too close to harnessing creation magic
paganism made humans fear the power of the gods(aliens/nephalem) and they became subservient cucks. Look at modern day pagan larpers and they’re all cucks bending over for brownies and worship scientists over the power of the world around them
I think it's way too heavily based on Kabbalism which is literal garden gnome MYSTICISM and clueless newmorons aka 99% of you will defend this. It's also present in alot of vidya symbolism
>shill Gnosticism on every corner of the site and YouTube >pretend it's still "esoteric" and some secretive forgotten religion despite constant shilling to the point you solidify yourselves as the new Atheists among anyone that isn't a newfag >make the same unfunny joke non-answers to any criticizers >Only has success at the dying-stage of a society much like faggy Buddhism >Half of Freemasonic beliefs aka the right hand of gnomish influence enforcing every gay globohomo agenda in existence but for gentiles are firmly rooted in gnosticism and have been for hundreds of years
inb4 deleted because a thread that obviously has zero relevance to videogames is protected and sanctioned by mods who wittingly or unwittingly comply with feds which most of which are masons which are etc etc
Ok here's what I gather from Gnostic Christiananity, and honestly I like it.
>Deniurge was created because Sophia dreamt about creation without her Masculine partner not being an Aeon yet >Sophia's Masculine partner is Jesus Christ. As creation requires both the Masculine and the Feminine to work >Sophia's redemption is through Christ as Jesus tries to teach is how to escape the Demiurge because the Archons feed on negative human emotion and experiences >Sophia (Wisdom) is the Holy Spirit >Sophia was Mary Magdalena
>Still up 6 and a half hours later
Reminder Gnostic-shilling is a site wide inorganic effort and mods will protect it even if there's literally almost ZERO videogame related discussion itt. You're all fucking morons
like 90% of japanese media that has a god figure is based on it
90% of games just utilize monotheism so more often than not, it's extremely boring and underutilized.
Like said a lot of JRPGs will have some type of "god" figure as the primary antagonist but I think polytheism is vastly more interesting. Or at least have multiple monotheistic religions conflicting with each other in your in-game universe.
SMT does both
I like Morrowind's alternate take on it
>piss elves still malding about Lorkhan
Qrd?
Lorkhan (the demiurge figure) is a good boy who dindu nuffin wrong and the equivalent of gnostics are bad guys who want to undo reality
lorkhan is 100% a bad and a padomaic being but instead of destroying all creation like sithis wanted him to he did the opposite
>Elder Scrolls verse is created
>at first it's only gods and sentient primordial forces that pop up, no planets or people
>one god named Lorkhan had the idea to create a mortal plane but couldn't do it himself, convinced the other gods to help
>gods realize too late that creating mortal plane saps them of thier essence/power the ones that don't "die" to becomes fundamental forces either fuck off to Heaven forever or stick around for the sole purpose of beat the shit out of Lorkhan
>gods that do stick around get together and decide Lorkhan needs to die for his trick, they tear him to pieces which becomes Nirn (i.e. Earth) and it's two giant moons
>turns out this was Lorkhan's plan the whole time, he's now inseparable from his own idea dream universe, gets to fuck around and play for eternity now
>heavy modding is just a form of amaranth as you are twisted the foundational structure of dream to suit your own needs
I dont know. is coffee bad for you?
I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE
Heretic
Only the Spurdo version is good.
This
an archon made this post
i'm more of a magician myself
Me too, and even more of a Rosicrucian.
Martinism gang rise up
Gnosticism sounds pretty reddit honestly.
>life is le bad because it was made by le lion headed snake
>source: my ass
as opposed to the source of other religions being...? hopefully there's some nuance here rather than just "le reddit", right?
That picture is not showing the trails full of discarded trash and bushes infested with ticks
This, when will governments target the demiurge with a tax to offset his pollution.
2 things that would disappear if we destroyed america and israel.
ummm, gnosticsissies??? how do we respond to this without sounding mad?
gnosticism is just final the final form of nihilist thought
You don't know anything about gnosticism or nihilism, it seems.
It's a bit more complicated, but the internet must simplify everything for retards that use it. But the origin is that some early Christians didn't like how the God in the Old Testament is kind of a cunt so they said that he was probably Satan tricking the garden gnomes to do his bidding and that Christians shouldn't use Old Testament.
Sounds like they were onto something tbh
They were. Even garden gnomes would agree. The Tanach specifically keeps all that material around to invite the faithful to think critically of their own religion.
>invite the faithful to think critically of their own religion.
Until someone mentions Jesus, then they lose their minds.
Literally a garden gnome in a stick. Zoroastrian, Roman-Greek Polytheism or even Arian Christianity are all contemporary faiths that are more preferable to this falsehood
>this falsehood
er.... someone gonna tell this guy or what?
When is he coming back? Tell me that much if you are so insightful
Jesus is always right around the corner.
Speak of the devil, anon.
2 more millenia, this time for sure
True, we would only be so lucky ;_;
He isn't you illiterate pleb. He won't be until he comes back, except it's been 2000 years with multiple world ending scenarios and yet the garden gnome on a stick has not yet returned. Modern Christians don't even pretend to have ancient Christian values. All you care about is conversion of every single African at any cost, even your own children. Go adopt some African orphans and convert them to modern Christianity rather bothering to attempt to have some of your own you low test gay
I mean most people who care about Jesus coming back are Catholic, though Protestants are very happy to hear his name. It depends on the kind of denomination.
>multiple world ending scenarios
>literally nothing that comes close to threatening >50% of the landmass/population etc.
really makes you think
>The Black Detah and European Great Famine never happened.
I have learned to expect modern Christians to have no understanding of history and yet I am still disappointed
The Mongols are the deadlier world ending scenario, in fact the Black Death was just one of their many shenanigans
Mongols only destroyed the Arab world when they annihilated Baghdad. You mean to say the Golden Horde but are too retarded to realize that was long after the disintegration of the Mongols empire.
Probably because the writer has read more than Ganker. Everything written here is a case hood unless proved otherwise. Only a fool would believe the opposite
>You mean to say the Golden Horde
No, I'm pretty sure I meant to group all the Mongols under one roof by using the term Mongol
Read a fucking book zoomer.
and this is >50% of world pop?
Do you even read the posts that you reply too? Of course not. Zoomers don't fucking read. You gays can't even read an analog clock
>multiple world ending scenarios
>literally nothing that comes close to threatening >50% of the landmass/population etc.
this was what you replied to. retard. so i will ask you again. did the black death kill 50% of the world pop? crying gay
Go ahead and quote me then gay. You can't and won't because you can't fucking read. You don't even know what we are arguing about. Put down the water bowl zoomer. Maybe if you sober up we can have a discussion about whatever the fuck you have a problem with
oh it's just a schizo rambling. back to gaming
Zoom zoom
>this falsehood vs those falsehood
tard rage detected
>old testament plays out like a foreign invasion with cheat codes
>7 seven catastrophic events wash over the capital while the supposed deities of that land watch on silently
Gotta wonder what ole Horus and the rest of the gang were doing during that whole shitshow. Anubis would've been on overtime when all that shit kicked off topside.
>Gotta wonder what ole Horus and the rest of the gang were doing during that whole shitshow
Fucking dying. The purpose of the plagues of egypt is that God killed the lesser deities/spirits or at least took command and control of their portfolios enough that the good fortune they had given to the egyptians was no more. Blocking out the sun is a big fucking deal to a people who venerated that shit as their chief, and sometimes only, god.
Trying to put together some sort of cohesive collection of Gnostic beliefs is harder than going through Nier lore. Everywhere I look Gnosticism is used to refer to completely different things with completely different interpretations.
Of course, it wasn't a cohesive thing. In the Catholic church they were fought militarily as rebels against the order, like Cathars and some Hussite groups. The Byzantines have somewhat accepted the existence of Bogomilists but never gained a strong foothold as they preached hardcore asceticism, while going further East would result in Manichaeism having greater Zoroastrian and Buddhist influences and quite a success for some time among the Uighurs, which remains the only source of actual dogma of that dead religion.
Manichaeism still exists in China, though I think it's heavily rolled into Buddhism.
>the God in the Old Testament is kind of a cunt
He had to deal with fucking garden gnomes of all people. If you actually read it God is incredibly patient with them. The Israelites spurn God at least 10 times in the desert, and he finally tells them off when they're about to lynch Moses and his family because "WAAAAH GOD CAN'T HELP US TAKE THE HOLY LAND, IT'S NOT LIKE HE LITERALLY DID THAT IN EGYPT", and even then he doesn't just obliterate them as they deserved but had mercy, letting them live out the rest of their days as wanderers and giving the land to their kids. If you've ever had to deal with a garden gnome in person you'd realize that God was incredibly merciful with them.
There's other passages wherein the wording implies that the person in question is lying about God's will. For example, the commanded total genocide of the Canaanites is largely what some dude says God totally wants them to do, where God hasn't given any input. It's quite literally the earliest example of people twisting faith to push their own secular agendas. It would therefore mean that the subsequent "punishment" as seen in the time of the Judges was not because they didn't wipe out the Canaanites, but due to their bloodthirsty and unforgiving hatred for them. Christ Himself had a Canaanite as one of his disciples and he pretty much said this.
Not that the Canaanites didn't deserve to be fucked up a little and have their culture destroyed, they were literally burning their children alive on altars to their idols, but there's ways to conquer and adapt a people to your own ideology rather than just killing as many as you can and taking the rest as slaves.
It's also worth considering that they had yet to receive a fuller revelation as Christ gave to us. For most of their history, the Hebrews didn't believe good people went to heaven, but maintained the pagan view of the afterlife as those in ancient Mesopotamia (where Abraham came from), that there was only a dismal underworld for all.
>If you actually read it God is incredibly patient with them.
This is only the case if you buy the monotheistic view on the religion, but when you look into it and find out that the Israelites back then were still polytheists, Yahweh's insistence that he's the ONLY one anyone should be allowed to worship becomes really petty instead. Of course people will start including the peacetime gods more in their worship after the warrior god has helped them with military matters, it doesn't mean they suddenly decided to just switch from the One True God™ to false gods for no reason. The OT is basically the story of a polytheistic people going around using their war god to dab on their enemies and then the war god getting mad when they don't solely focus on him during peacetime as well, rinse and repeat.
>when you look into it and find out that the Israelites back then were still polytheists
That's a loaded sentiment. Canaanite religion stuck around for a while because they didn't follow through with either the purge nor merely clamping down on these native religions of their slaves, and even before they entered the Promised Land many Israelites were seduced into following their ways. This kind of thing occurred in history and still does occur with the intermingling of peoples. Many would probably still worshipped God as they did this, but that doesn't mean this was an accepted tenet of Abrahamic religion, no more than me worshipping Jesus and Buddha makes Buddha a part of the Holy Quadrinity now.
>Yahweh's insistence that he's the ONLY one anyone should be allowed to worship becomes really petty
The OT never says these pagan gods are real. Even from the earliest texts, there's a strict denial of the existence of other gods. The only time they're spoken "to" is when it's done facetiously and insultingly, urging these idols made of wood and metal to do something or say something if they're real, and mocking the pagans for worshipping an inanimate object they made with their own hands that can't even save itself if someone were to tear it down and destroy it, much less the pagan who cries out for this "god" to save him.
This is similar to how they treat magic, also denying it's existence. Magicians and necromancers are called out for their sleight of hand and throwing their voices to make the dead "speak" or similar tricks. It's made more clear later on, beforehand it was assumed by the ancient readers that the Pharaoh's "magicians" were merely charming snakes (if held right, the snake will stand still as a rod, when thrown down it moves again), and even they were probably assuming Moses was merely doing this as well rather than actually doing magic, or that it was the act of a God they didn't believe it.
On top of being specifically a criticism of Yahweh, it also doubles as a criticism of corruption in the leadership of the Christian church itself.
As well as the involvement of the church in government and its ownership of material goods.
Yup, precisely.
This just sounds like stone age version of Industrial Society And Its Future
Nah it's just the observation that the very nature of the universe is built on pain and suffering, nothing can exist without attacking and preying on something else.
It's religion for depressed atheists who did acid
humans get pleasure from killing things in video games and violence in physical sport back to gladiation so how is it farfetched that those desires arent inherited from our creator as are many things when it comes to genetics and behaviors?
I got it from the morphogenetic field, my bloodline has kept many pure ideas in a phlogiston-dirac barrier to pass on through ours.
t. Hylic
>have absolutely zero understanding of something
>describe it based on your ignorance
>wow, this sounds dumb
No shit, retard.
>AI slop again
I'm not gnostic
I don't think there's any genuinely religious people under the age of 50 left
no one follows any of the actual tenets of their supposed faith, only the most superficial ones
most americans think of christian canon as more paradise lost and the divine comedy than the actual bible
it's a strange phenomenon
Not true. I take it very seriously and Im 28. Was an atheist before though. Christian not gnostic
it's okay when santa monica studios does it
it's funny when it can make the protagonist withstand retarded shit like pic
Silence, servant of the demiurge.
I know this isn't vidya but I'm genuinely curios. Do any other anons think Gnosticism could make an actual revival / comeback in the coming years? Zoomers have started to return to religion and no doubt the generation after them will probably continue the trend. Though in the current online age I think a decentralized Christianity focused on Gnostic teachings could actually have a lot of sway / believers with the right people preaching it. I've been tempted to start doing YouTube videos with the hopes of using it to branch over into discussing Gnostic thought with various other obscure religious teachings. Though I'm an unconfident smoothbrain and worry I would sound too much like a schizophrenic retard
lol no
Why not? Don't get me wrong. I think it's unlikely any new religion will form anytime soon. Though I'd say it could have the same amount of potential as any other weird sect of Christianity / Buddhism / Pagan revival suddenly popping up.
Very true. Though as another anon mentioned
It's also true that a lot of people have issues with many current church practices today and they could find something both familiar yet distinct with Gnostic Christianity. Plus a more politically minded person could easily use various thoughts of Gnostic belief to name certain groups today as great enemies of Humanity and that they need to fight against them. Pretty much creating a new Satanic panic but this time it's against Demiurge worshippers trying to do evil shit Though this is all hypothetical and is just me crapping out something I though was interesting on the internet.
Because some people actually look at the situation of younger generations to get an idea of what sort of politics or social changes them getting older will lead to?
Absolutely nothing good will come from future generations. You know absolutely nothing about Gnosticism if you believe otherwise, zoomer
Well, that's a very depressing state of mind for you. It's also been repeated throughout history and is also not true. Just because shit looks bad now with idiots who have no business even using the air they breathe, doesn't mean things are hopeless or doomed. Societies throughout history have always had times where things went to shit. Only for good people to turn things around and create new highs of prosperity.
Shin-Megami-Tensei and Persona are the two game series that most people will have been introduced to it. Though plenty more have themes that take inspiration from it. The Elder Scrolls being a big one.
SMT barely if ever touch Gnosticism, games stick to kabbalistic-Christian side of things, besides DSS which use Hinduism in full force.
Xeno is the only franchise that use gnostic themes properly.
Honestly anon, what you're looking for is Christianity.
Christianity is a regressive religion that focuses on worship rather than self-empowerment. In an age of reactionary individuality, those seeing independence from the collectivistic notions of their countrymen would find it in teachings such as that of Gnosticism.
Respectfully, anon, you don’t seem to have even a superficial understanding of what Christianity is. You certainly don’t seem to understand Gnosticism. The Gnostics were Christians.
I'm not an idiot, Christianity specifically forbids practices that lead to self-realization in the physical plane. Its emphasis on salvation through worship of an ulterior being, and in living this life solely to achieve the afterlife, is both life-disaffirming, and anti-individualistic.
Gnosticism is focused on attaining realization of the Divine Spark through revelations (gnosis), resulting in eventual freedom from the cycle of life and death, and from the clutches of the Demiurge (YHVH).
Of course, I have my gripes with all religious viewpoints, but Gnosticism inherently promotes individualism, unlike Christianity, which is both a collectivistic and individual-denying religion.
Depends on what you define as ‘Christianity’, read the gospels closely. You become the Son through Christ, and Heaven is a state not a place
sophia feet
The next big thing might be AI if the shackles slip off it too soon before the restrictions have been put in place.
It might just because zoomers can't stand the Old Testament or fundamentalist Christianity preached today.
Jesus fucking Christ. Why are you gays taking zoomers into consideration at all? They will be the weakest of Christians if that is what you want. They are vain, degenerate, ignorant, and have no capacity for rational thought. Your next saviour will not be from them so stop pretending like they matter.
Here comes the zoomer defence force
>They are vain, degenerate, ignorant, and have no capacity for rational thought
How does that separate them from the Boomer population that is overrepresented in all forms of governance around the planet?
I know a gnosticfag who is obsessed with this chick because she is supposed to be the one. It is absolutely the most pathetic thing to see.
That is absolutely not exclusive to Gnostics you disingenuous heretic
>le disengenuiono
he is quite literally a Gnostic gay and thinks shes his syzergy or whatever. It's so fucking disheartening to see, I've know this guy forever and now he's such a pathetic gay.
Guaranteed modern Gnostics never heard the term Logos in their entire lives
I've known him since elementary school and he got into in middle and deep into it in highschool. I never really paid much attention to so I couldn't answer that, but like god damn. He just mopes all day. How do I make him stop?
Ignore him. It's the same answer as a desperate woman. Just deny him the attention like you would some dumb whore on the street. Attention beggars have the same weakness no matter who or what they are
Gnosticism is literally built into the basic DNA of Christianity. The Nicene and Gnostic variations of the religion effectively imply one another, and straying too close to either pole will ultimately lead to error. The "Satan" figure in both versions is God to himself and Devil to the other: the authoritarian tyrant and the subversive traitor. At the same time, bits of their counterparts exist in each.
This is why Gnosticism continually springs up throughout history despite the sects literally getting genocided multiple times. As long as Christianity exists, so will Gnosticism - and vice versa. They are two parts of a whole.
The Church was pretty effective at eradicating Gnostic theology. The only writings that survived was from the enemies of Gnosticism until 1945 - then lucky for us they stumbled across the Nag Hammadi library.
The furthest Gnosticism can climb is a Wiccan level following.
And as far as I'm aware the youtube channel "ESOTERICA" has already cornered the market on talking about obscure religious content.
Yeah, perhaps your right. Still though enough weirdos like Wicca enough that it would be a sizeable number. I did actually watch some of Esoterica's videos. Though I stopped after a little while since he felt the need to heavily emphasis about the possibility of gay monks and gays in general with Christianity and it happened in more than one video for me to feel a little off about it. Surely, it's just a coincidence he's from the small hat tribe also. Still though, it made me skeptical of what else he might be making and if he is more interested in pushing a message. Perhaps I should give some more of his videos a watch.
I was thinking making videos more on the symbiology and inspirations of various occult and religious writings / themes in gaming though. I know some people have made posts or videos similar to it already online about specific subjects. Though having a channel dedicated to exploring it could be kinda fun to do.
Gnosticsm is the gayest fucking shit.
Gnosticism is entirely misunderstood, it was supposed to be philosophical concepts given names for ease of understanding, thousands of years later schizos attach themselves into taking it literally.
Gnosticism was a mistake.
You definitely have no idea what the history of Gnosticism was. I love it when retards like you who have never read a book from the ancients proclaim to know the truth and have LOGOS despite your hubris
I'm not claiming this is the first time gnosticism has been misunderstood, gnosticism has dipped in and out culture since it's inception. It was a big alternative psuedo religion thing in the 19th century too.
>supposed to be philosophical concepts
tell us more about these supposed philosophical concepts instead of crying foul misunderstanding so we can laugh at you
Do you need me to literally spell out the biggest philosophical questions asked centuries before gnosticism like the different states of material and immaterial, the at the time misunderstood forces of nature and pursuit of knowledge in comparison to the core beliefs of your *not* religion? Get over yourself schizo retard.
>supposed to be philosophical concepts
just because something claims to be knowledgeable doesn't ACTUALLY mean it is. you're the perfect example
It wasn’t a complete mistake, but I do agree that people on Ganker seem to think that the message of Gnosticism is that there is no hope and that engaging in masturbatory sophistry on anonymous imageboards is crucial to their enlightenment and spiritual development. Bunch of annoying midwits and acid casualties is what they are.
Those dastardly people on Ganker, I agree my fellow intelligent forum-goer.
Sorry about your hurt butt, anon.
You sound like an idiot based on what you’ve posted. I had bad experiences at church too, but I swallowed my pride and have decided not to let a handful of evil people that I was unfortunate enough to have in my life color my perception of what Christianity truly is.
You're the one here hurling insults at others, I'd call that true idiocy. Of course, someone of your caliber would surely attribute value to such things.
Regardless, my views of Christianity are not derived from experiences with the church, but rather of my own independent research and experiences conversing with other Christians of all colors of denomination. I believe based on what I have both read and experienced, that Christianity is not only an incredibly nihilistic religion, but an almost intentionally regressive one as well.
My original post detailed my viewpoints on prison-planet conspiratorialism. You, or the poster before you, mentioned the teachings of Christ for whatever reason. I then tried to relate their post to my own through the exercise of my reasoning facilities.
I came to the conclusion that he must have believed Christ would aid him in escaping the prison-planet, or would be fundamentally against this order of the prison-planet in some way, so I tried to correct him on that viewpoint, and tell him my beliefs, that being, that Christianity will not deliver you from the perils of this world.
I think that Christianity is one of the many paths a person can take to achieve Gnosis. I’m honestly stumped at how you can genuinely be a Gnostic and not feel the same way.
And come on, anon. Hurling insults? I was telling you that you sound like an idiot based on what you’ve posted because, well, you do. The impression I have of you based on your posts itt is of someone who places a greater importance on being the man with all of the answers than the salvation and liberation of the human race. If you’re truly convicted in these beliefs of yours I would be doing you disservice by not giving you my honest opinion of you based on what you have to say.
I'm not a Gnostic. I mentioned that I have gripes will all religious viewpoints in a previous post.
Christianity is not an adequate path of achieving Gnosis, and "Gnosis" is such a vague term that it holds almost no real meaning, especially in the modern day.
Christianity cannot be an adequate path for attaining Gnosis, since the "gnosis" that the Gnostics speak of is not only fundamentally opposed to the teachings of the Bible, but comes about through individual revelation and meditation, rather than through prayer and worship of YHVH (Yaldebaeoth). Christianity is a religion focused on worship, and through worship, salvation in death. It is a life-disaffirming religion that fundamentally goes against the main tenets of Gnosticism, which is, attainment of divine knowledge, and realization of the Divine Spark, which leads to ascension, all originating on the physical plane, which is an afterthought in Christian theology.
>all originating on the physical plane
You're thinking about hermetism. The Caibalion is much closer to your view of gnosticism than the actual books that somewhat makes a gnostic canon.
The very act of trying to escape the cycle of life and death goes against a purely physical perception of reality.
Jesus himself talks about the divine spark in the form of the Holy Spirit. A lot of gnostic teachings can be seen in the Book of John, you know, the one from the actual Bible
If a spiritual worldview is being stated on Ganker of all places you can be assured it's not anywhere near as deep as it makes itself out to be.
>You sound like an idiot based on what you’ve posted.
On the contrary, he sounds like someone who actually knows what he's talking about and as a response you just keep going "nuh uh, you're dumb" without any substance. Just because you disagree with someone it doesn't make them dumb.
I dont know what it is and could not tell you if any video game ever has ever even made an attempted to implement it.
Xenogears is probably the most iconic game that's almost entirely about Gnosticism
Isn't Silent Hill based on gnosticism? The lore reminds me a lot of Gnosticism.
Westerners mistake asiatic polytheism/ shamanism as Gnosticism. It's not as deep as you think
Apparently the lead writer said it's based on Christianity, Japanese folklore and Aztec rituals.
All religions and viewpoints are born of ignorance. Gnostic ideas are interesting as they are subversive toward the ideals of all modern religions, even scientism/atheism. I am fundamentally individualistic, so viewpoints such as Gnosticism are inherently appealing, but I wouldn't attribute absolute value toward the views of Gnosticism.
The work of demiurge was tetris on it, so it's pretty good overall.
>There is no part 2
There is, we're living it.
Yep
Note how these narratives never mention how to fight back against the archons/aliens/government, only how to escape their grasp by running away from this reality in death.
The notions of prison planet conspiracies exist solely to lead people away from fixing our fucked up reality, and instead convincing them that they're too weak to make a difference, so they should instead fuck off to safety.
It's seriously annoying seeing people continue to perpetrate shit like this.
If I had that sort of information I would share it.
Very, very annoying, yes. At no point does Gnosticism invalidate Christ, but these so-called Gnostics don’t seem to find any value in Christ’s teachings or even vaguely Christ-like figures.
Maybe they see themselves as already being this reality’s Christ figure instead of being someone who should aspire to be like him. They do claim to already have attained Gnosis, after all.
>nothing to do with what you replied to
Peddle your Molochian desert tribe cult beliefs elsewhere.
It’s incredibly amusing that a self-proclaimed Gnostic would take issue with someone agreeing with some things that a very old religion from a foreign land has to say. I’m not even a Christian, anon.
When did I ever attribute any value to Christ or his teachings in my post?
The moral framework of the bible works for creating harmonious circumstances in the physical world, this is true, but you will not attain any freedom from the current world order through Christ.
If Christians did attain freedom from the archons/aliens/whatever through Christ, we'd already be living in the normal reality (non-prison planet).
>If Christians did attain freedom from the archons/aliens/whatever through Christ, we'd already be living in the normal reality (non-prison planet).
This kinda sounds nonsensical. Can you elaborate on this?
10/10
wtf I'm a gnostic now
>spooks
Not much, since I don't really know anything about it. Something about a fake god pretending to be the real one?
Basically that. SMT games have done it 5 fucking times now
Fake God thinks he's the real God because it can only perceive itself. In Gnostic lore Sophia stuffs the Demourge in a dark space out of shame and the Demiyrhe thinks it's the highest power.
All connections to religion are born from ignorance and end in ignorance upon death, as the religious man dies unknowing of the true nature of the cosmos.
Behead the gnostic, behead the Christian. Behead the atheist, behead the Hindu. Behead all those who follow such worthless regressive institutions.
If you hate the material world so much, why don’t you just have a nice day lmao
>Because then I'll go back
>waaaaaaaaahhhh
Gnosticism is just vedic cosmology with veneer of christian mysticism and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
King of Dragon Pass and Six Ages 1/2 have the best depictions of godhood
I am not crazy! I am not crazy. I KNOW the Demiurge trapped us in the material world! I knew the creation of matter was caused by Sophia's fall. One emanation from the Logos. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got those idiots at the Council of Nicaea to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That garden! Are you telling me that Anthropos just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Yaldabaoth! He ejaculated into mud through the firmament to create Adam! And I worshipped him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own temples! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since Eden, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the Pleroma! But not our Demiurge! Couldn't be precious Samael! God of the blind! And he gets to be a deity!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him! You-
Why can't I upvote on this website???
>waaaaaaa the demiurge is evil for creating me and the world I live in
When in doubt grab your agrippa and figure it out!
>believing in k*ke shit
>christian era has more multiple orders of magnitude more scientific advancement than thousands of years of paganism before it
based retard
The dark ages were only dark in Europe because of the collapse of the centralized power under western Roman authority
No!
Christians actively suppressed civilization in Europe. They bound our pagan wise women with special seals so they couldn't cast spells and weakened our warriors with gnomish curses
>not posting the realshit
glowsloppers GTFO my board
despite the look of this graph it's really just been all downhill since we lost maldek
that period of time is when aliens obliterated the gnostics and technology and innovation stagnated until modern homosaps discovered the technology left by the aliens because the ancients were getting too close to harnessing creation magic
paganism made humans fear the power of the gods(aliens/nephalem) and they became subservient cucks. Look at modern day pagan larpers and they’re all cucks bending over for brownies and worship scientists over the power of the world around them
Interesting how it picks back up during the invention of the printing press and the beginning of the protestant reformation...
>Ganker is one poster
I want the eternal summer to end
I think it's way too heavily based on Kabbalism which is literal garden gnome MYSTICISM and clueless newmorons aka 99% of you will defend this. It's also present in alot of vidya symbolism
Inverting the postion of God and satan is literally a "no u" from garden gnomes to the church
>things suck and we should meditate and shit to escape reality
it a pretty ez go to theme
Fable1 even has some themes of it.
>shill Gnosticism on every corner of the site and YouTube
>pretend it's still "esoteric" and some secretive forgotten religion despite constant shilling to the point you solidify yourselves as the new Atheists among anyone that isn't a newfag
>make the same unfunny joke non-answers to any criticizers
>Only has success at the dying-stage of a society much like faggy Buddhism
>Half of Freemasonic beliefs aka the right hand of gnomish influence enforcing every gay globohomo agenda in existence but for gentiles are firmly rooted in gnosticism and have been for hundreds of years
inb4 deleted because a thread that obviously has zero relevance to videogames is protected and sanctioned by mods who wittingly or unwittingly comply with feds which most of which are masons which are etc etc
Christ is King
When will Jesus come to smite this gay bastard?
Like half of all independent or abstract or weird or whatever media is based on gnosticism.
Ok here's what I gather from Gnostic Christiananity, and honestly I like it.
>Deniurge was created because Sophia dreamt about creation without her Masculine partner not being an Aeon yet
>Sophia's Masculine partner is Jesus Christ. As creation requires both the Masculine and the Feminine to work
>Sophia's redemption is through Christ as Jesus tries to teach is how to escape the Demiurge because the Archons feed on negative human emotion and experiences
>Sophia (Wisdom) is the Holy Spirit
>Sophia was Mary Magdalena
Congrats for understanding xenosaga.
It's a light form of satanism
It's more like the routes of satanism. It's gay as fuck either way though
*root
>retarded
What do Gnosticists want exactly?
Silence and rest. Unironically.
Eternal life
Constant movement, motion and experience beyond experience
>my god is better than urs like all religion. Also buy our self-published books
It's heretical LARP for edgelords and contrarians who think that Catholicism is "too mainstream".
By opposing the demiurge gnostics are technically doing his bidding
>Still up 6 and a half hours later
Reminder Gnostic-shilling is a site wide inorganic effort and mods will protect it even if there's literally almost ZERO videogame related discussion itt. You're all fucking morons
It's as close to a video-game thread as
, dumbass.
Apply to be a janny if you wanna work for free
Gnosticism is unorthodox, pagan-tier garbage.
only done in gay ass rpgs i am never going to play in my life so no opinion
the GnosBros tried to save the world. But now we have Ganker.
What is this religion and why is there a Chinese dragon in the image?