What faction will you join in Starfield?
What faction will you join in Starfield?
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>No blacks allowed
Time to become astronaut
Elon Musk just finished watching Iron-blooded Orphans I see
It makes sense. When you're that far away from Earth, all laws are unenforceable suggestions.
thats what they basically are on earth.
consider the population of any given country vs that countries police force.
If only laws were enforced by people and not earth's magnetic field
>>When you're that far away from Earth, all laws are unenforceable suggestions.
>stops sending spare parts to Mars
>EARTH, PLZ NO! NOT FAIR!
Elon Musk is a fat retard.
>Flies out of Madrid
Spaniards confirmed for honorary street shitters.
That's like saying citizens will never revolt cause America has nukes. You can't enforce a felony by wiping out a colony.
You can when it's not your colony
Historically, entire population of villages had to collectively pay fines if someone committed a murder there.
Martian colonies will be heavily dependent on components and supplies being shipped from Earth for decades.
>flies out of Spain
>plants poo flag
Stopping the thread to say this.
>Declares he won't follow Earth laws when on Mars
>All governments stop funding Space X
Everytime he does something stupid, Telsa's stock prices plummet.
That's great, but it would be nice, if there could any Martian activity from SpaceX in the first place.
trans rights are not """suggestions"""
correct. they are imaginations.
OK. How about we stop your rockets from replenishing the colony. What now? It's gonna be a long time before any Mars colony can sustain itself with living standards better than the stone age.
Corporations and nations only care about power and money, America has neither as a puppet nation to Israel and a debt slave to China
Debts are meaningless because we can just win the war and have the chinks clear the debt. Ezpz
America has pretty much lost every single war, you are huffing on copium
chud and other degeneracy acceptance is a sign of a dying nation, late stage Weimar (defunt)
We beat the shit out of the Germans in 1942 while they was Third Reich all your asses, dumb yuropoor
You didn't do shit lmao that was thanks to the soviets
The soviets were getting their shit pushed in all the way to Moscow or something until the we came in and saved their asses too
Soviets driving American vehicles and shooting American munitions. America loves their proxy tactics.
Revisionist history everyone!
How’s that American libtard education treating you?
America has way more experience projecting force across continents than China does. Not to say it would be easy but they've got an advantage in logistics.
Unless you're completely self-sufficient they'll just cut you off from Earth supplies until you either die or return on your own.
It's the definition of extra territoriality.
Not to mention that there are all kinds of international treaties in place specifically to prevent nations from trying to colonize and politicize space.
And it makes perfect sense in a legal context because of how nations and laws are constructed.
The loophole has always been that these are agreements between governments, and that individuals (and by extension corporations) are not bound to those restrictions.
That being said, the whole point of british admiralty law is how to do business in extra judicial settings.
I'd move to a commercial space colony, sure, but only with an iron clad legally binding contract that keeps me from getting fucked.
haha time for Gundam
>What faction will you join in Starfield
What are the options?
Space corpo, space cowboys, space corpo again but with spacefish skooma, space nigs/pirates so far. The main quest faction are space explorers trying to figure out what the space mcguffin is for. I just want to be a space trucker.
Laws are meaningless if there is no authority to enforce them.
It's trivially easy to shoot a bundle of missiles to Mars to blow his shit up.
>Someone raped another person on Mars and they refuse to send him back cause he's useful to the project, let's kill them all cause we can't really do anything else to enforce laws!
I know Ganker is retarded but come on.
That's basically how "primitive cannibalism and slavery" was solved. Just shoot them all.
huh? We literally have all still existing primitive cannibal tribes as a protective species here on earth. do you know when a sentinelese islander commits rape or acts of cannibalism? Do we nuke their shit when they aren't extradited to India for a court hearing?
Should have used some "" there, every people that have been destroyed have been called cannibals, starting with Columbus already who went to war with random tribes because some neighbors told him they were cannibals.
>Wreck life support so that the colony in question ends up retard-free
>Send your own colonists with new equipment to replace wrecked life support
Sometimes examples must be made.
I will be Todd’s top guy
Intergalactic meth labs
Space X really wants to be Zion from Gundam, huh?
>Zion from Gundam
>mfw elon musk is char
so his ultimate goal is the destruction of Australia?
Mars is centuries away from being livable, nevermind we haven't had a human land on the thing yet. The fuck is he on about?
He's just talking out of his ass again for attention because he's a con man and that's all he can ever do to make a living.
He's not a conman but he does talk out of his ass. If he was a conman he wouldn't have anything to show for his efforts. But yeah shit like Twitter are just so stupid what the fuck is he doing there.
Compared to all the game he talks he really doesn't have a whole lot to show.
The thing about Musk is that his fucking retarded promises and exagerations are constantly being forgotten by his simps. Member tesla trucks and when they were supposed to take over the market ? lole
Musk has literally not accomplished anything in his entire life, he did not found PayPal, he did not found Tesla, he used his family wealth and connections to buy himself into these companies. He DID co-found x.com and got ousted as CEO within a year, and he did found SpaceX which is the dictionary definition of a zombie company that is not capable of ever turning a profit and is just a massive speculative money pit. Musk has never founded a profitable business in his life.
He’s trying really hard to get the 2028 window where Mars And Earth will be the closest it will be for like the next couple of decades. Dude is even practicing on Earth with ideas for building company towns.
I get company towns are bad but if it's gonna help space travel, fuck it. The sciences are hugely underfunded in this country. Most of the money goes to the military, which let's be honest is pretty much a jobs program in disguise at this point and towards Healthcare, out of which the largest expenditure is obesity related problems. If Musk can do it then go for it.
>I get company towns are bad but
>cope cope cope cope cope cope cope cope mmmm lemme lick that corporate boot mmm yessss i want to live in an offworld slave planet mmmmmm
Who cares about the livelihood of some nerds
Yes. Space travel. I don't care if it's corporate or otherwise. NASA had their chance.
Anything to get off the planet, this is bigger than those concerns. Yeah, I'd be okay with an oppressive corporate dictatorship if it meant humans had sustainable colonies on other planets. We could work out the colony's dictatorship problem sometime over the next thousand years after colonizing.
Nah. Wouldn't it be relatively easy to make habitats in Martian tunnels?
What about oxygen. What about water. What about food. What about radiation. What about happiness.
never happening. people just want to believe in something
Send 4chuds. Problem solved
The logistics of transporting everything you need to survive on a regular basis for decades until you become closer to self-sustaining makes it a monumental task.
Even assuming they don't need their own food, there's the constant need of medical supplies, repair parts and equipment, building materials, oxygen (lots and lots of oxygen in the early years), water if we settle anywhere that isn't the polar caps, fertilizer, and people.
he couldn't even make tunnels in earth lmao
Don't you shit on the HYPERLOOP, it has a mindboggling throughput of 1 car/hour in one direction.
He's a retard that thinks he can upload his brain into the computer and live forever
Geez, why can't real-life technocratic wannabe despots be at least somewhat sophisticated and not lacking in self-preservation instincts? Of all the possible dystopias we live in the most boring one.
post the "i'd like uhhhhh am[B]ulas" meme pls I've been looking for it for years
If I go there in my own rocket and live in my own self made Mars-pod would I have to follow their laws?
If they felt like it, yes.
I knew I should've brought my homemade nuke as well
Reminder Musk actually talked about letting anyone go to live on Mars even if they can't afford the space travel, but they'd be indepted to him and have to pay it off via working
Imagine being Musk's actual wage slave on Mars knowing Earth's laws and morality don't apply there
>letting anyone go to live on Mars even if they can't afford the space travel, but they'd be indepted to him and have to pay it off via working
It's like this retard get his mitts all over every dystopian vision and decides that it would most certainly turn into a golden era under his ingenious guidance.
he's the living embodiment of the gnomish caricature rightoids keep insisting is running the world, yet they can't seem to tire of the taste of his semen
Since roughly 2012 right-leaning philosophy has lost all structure and is based entirely on owning the libs. They're reactionary and will change their stance on a dime so long as it puts them in opposition to their chosen enemy.
He bought Twitter which pissed off incredibly tedious libs and started being more open about his politics so they love him now.
Find your own planet fag
Space travel has to start somehow, NASA had decades to get ahead and they did nothing. No country pushed for it for years, until this guy and his autism came along.
>Space travel has to start somehow
Have you perhaps considered it's comically inefficient, doesn't accomplish anything, and that only a complete retard like Musk would think there's any chance of it being economically viable ?
Because we don't want mankind to die when this world's resources are entirely exhausted, or when the sun says 'time's up' in a few billion years?
Maybe you don't. I hope this planet fucking burns as soon as possible lmao hope some Reaper like aliens come slap humanity's shit before they can shit up the rest of the universe.
OK gay, then stay in your cave pouting. Other people are gonna go out there and build boats.
I will. Enjoy being a good slave for your masters and make sure to make replacement slaves for when you die. 🙂
>or when the sun says 'time's up' in a few billion years?
In about 100 millions years Earth will move out of Goldlock's zone on account of increasing solar activity. We don't have "billions of years". If ongoing environmental disaster destroys complex lifeforms, there won't be enough time for new intelligent life to evolve back to where we are now.
I think eventually earth will become some sort of human heritage and people won't even be allowed to go there unless you are a scientist or something, we will haul the earth around with some giant device when needed.
Anon if you don't want it then we might as well be different species, no argument will make you want it no argument will make me not want it. Why leave your cave? Why leave your village? Why leave your country? Why build large boats and cross continents? Why flight? Why computers? Why. Why.why.why. You could have most certainly live in a cave forever scavenging berries and eating wild boar, but someone out there would be curious, someone out there would ask "what's over that mountain" and while you are in your cave those others travel and discover. If you don't want it fine, but know you are part of the same long line of doubters who asked "why do anything"? When they saw the complexity and wonders of this universe.
I’m sure people said the same thing when Britain started launching ships into the atlantic
because we can. You are a soulless NPC, so you clearly lack what is an intrensic part of the human spirit. The same part that made cultures all around the world brave the oceans searching for new horizons. Why did they do that? There was no guarantee they'd survive or get anywhere worthwhile.
>The same part that made cultures all around the world brave the oceans searching for new horizons. Why did they do that? There was no guarantee they'd survive or get anywhere worthwhile.
Both Columbus and Magellan, as well as Diogo Cao and Bartolomeo Diaz, merely wanted to find a route to India that wasn't swarming with muslim fleets. They know what they were going after before they even set one foot on the deck.
I mean, Elon also knows what he is going after. He wants a self-sustainable human colony on Mars. That's actually a more precise goal than searching for new uncharted trade routes.
>Why did they do that?
They did it to get more ressources than their neighbours, the people ordering these expeditions never risked their lives in them, they hired people who were motivated by their ego who themselves hired people who either had a crime to flee from or simply had no better way of not starving to death.
so what's exactly your issue with us doing the same thing for colonizing space? Just like back then, there are countless of people who'd sign up for a one way ticket to Mars because of ego, the thrill of adventure, boredom or wanting to escape their life on earth.
Because I'll never be fond of man exploiting his fellow man.
But that's how all technological and cultural progress and discovery has happened in history.
It also created problems which may be unsolvable
There's another incentive to colonizing a place earlier: Becoming a founder citizen. This gives a very long investment opportunities that can be passed from generation to generation.
>passed from generation to generation
The only thing that will be passed there from parents to child is the inevitable and accumulated DNA damage from cosmic rays.
Not enough strong gravitation to make it sustainable.
We haven't got enough rockets to shoot out used nuclear fuels to the space, why would there be enough capacity for shitty lithium?
Ask how that worked out for blacks in the USA.
Being a founding citizens will be great for Musk and his 5 best friends, but for everyone else it will just be a ticket to eternal enslavement of them and all their descendants forevermore.
Citizens being the key word
At the same time we still have uncontacted tribes, made up entirely of people with 0 sense of wonder.
the 16 hour 7 day a week workdays must be exciting for his followers.
Wait I've played this game before. This is the plot to Bioshock
Sounds like frostpunk.
>24hour shifts? i guess thats our lot…
Actually, frostslave, its 34 hours by the time you’re done.
There's plenty of people who would gladly make such a deal for the adventure of settling fucking Mars
>No drugs that left me shoot bees from my hands
get fucked Musky boy
Fuck it, the yids have done it for ages. Let someone who actually has a soul have a crack at it.
>Let someone who actually has a soul have a crack at it.
And you think that retard Musk is the one to fill the bill?
Better than the garden gnomes who actively hate your kind. It's not a hard concept.
Elon Musk despises the very people that work for him and make him his money.
What makes you think he would think any higher of virtually everyone else alive?
>source: my personal hatred
Better than blindly trusting that fraud.
>letting some celebrity who doesn't even know you get you this upset
more like source: everything he says on twitter
>picking fights with employees
>shittalking their work
>throwing them under the bus when things break because of requests and cuts he made
He's just honest.
>I am a moron who worships celebrities
it'd work too because if you just went there and took it over all it takes for him to get back in control is stop the supplies
I think I'll wait till Mars is self sustaining THEN take it over
He's an idiot. What jobs would there be on Mars that a robot couldn't do longer and dramatically cheaper? The overhead cost on a human workforce, even if they're unpaid slaves would be astronomical
No, you are the idiot. The amount of human labor necessary in the beginning stages of a new settlement is huge and can't be done by any robot we have right now. Maybe you should go outside, but there are no robots doing construction work and when you call a plumber or electrician, you won't be getting any robot either.
Yeah, because it doesn't cost $100 billion dollars to fly to work in your 12 million dollar work uniform.
And they're willing to pay that because?
Oh that's right, because we don't have the fucking tech to even get a robot to do something as simple as framing, plumbing, ventilation, repairs, farming, study, or even digging.
the whole point of a mars colony is to have it be colonized by humans. Not sure why you think the argument that humans are less cost efficient than robots matters here.
Robots take 15 minutes to accept one (1) command. A human can accept a years worth of objectives and then improvise on top of that.
Just plug in a years worth of commands.
You can't do that cause the commands are based on the data a human interprets. Tell a robot to move 100m forward and it may just crash into a rock or hole you didn't notice. So its a long process of moving slowly and receiving new camera data.
Tell a human to move 10km forward and it'll find the best path to do so.
They're experimenting with robots that adapt to the environment but itll be a long time before they're human tier.
That's literally the storyline to Red Faction.
DEEP ROCK REALLY ROCKS
Why the fuck would anyone want to live in Mars
People dont wanna live in Australia and thats here on Earth
White man's conquering nature. Same reason they'll climb mountains when they know nothing is up there, or sail across entire oceans on the shittiest possible boat. They just want to go somewhere few have ever been and hopefully see something nobody else has.
Everyone does those things incel.
Yeah but White men are especially driven to get away by the trash thats inevitably dumped in their societies by the merchants that follow them around.
Tell that to the Chinese who keeps buying holiday homes here and making house prices impossible for real people down here. Biden’s submarine base can’t get here sooner
>Why the fuck would anyone want to live in Mars
>Implying that launching the ships wouldn't require meeting diversity quotas
>Implying morons aren't going to be your janitors, farmhands, and repairmen
Elon’s slaves from his Emerald mine days will be there building the colony.
Mars doesn't have giant spiders that we know of
Earth doesn't have giant spiders either.
Giant is relative
That thing is harmless though. It's the small spiders that will fucking kill you.
That's only about 4 inches big.
What factions are there? I know you can supposedly join some pirates but I imagine that will be as shitty as the raider DLC in Fallout 4.
Typical galactic republic, the biggest faction that attempts to bring order to the settled systems. Their city is a Star Trek style futuristic utopia similar to a United Nations building or a university campus. Detractors think of them like a police state cause they're big and in charge.
A confederation of a couple systems that told the UC to fuck off with their imperialism which started the Colony War. They seem to be living in a libertarian space western, including a lack of roads.
A corporation that hasn't been mentioned all that much. Their headquarters is on Neon, the cyberpunk themed ocean platform where everyone gets high on psychotropic fish. You have to complete a job interview to join.
Considered a main faction alongside UC, FC, and RI. They're a loose organization of pirate captains that all fly the same flag but don't truly follow laws or work alongside each other. Similar to the irl Republic of Pirates on Nassau. They have some kind of base in the Kryx system mentioned in passing but we don't yet know if it's a city like the the other three have. If it is, it'll likely be a dark and moody space station or asteroid city reminiscent of the Alien franchise to round out the collection of space aesthetics.
>libertarian space western, including a lack of roads
I know what I'm picking.
Freestar did nothing wrong, the war of colonial aggression was about planet's rights!
>the standard "main" government faction
>the standard libertarian faction
>the standard megacorp faction
>the standard space pirate faction
These space game settings are more generic than marvel movies.
You forgot the space islam faction
>Space Islam faction
>Space Islam faction that doesn't lie to itself
Starsector was pretty based.
How'd you know I was thinking about Starsector when I wrote that post? I guess we can also add
>standard ebil caricature warmonger dictator faction
The Sindrian Diktat was rather underwhelming. They were supposedly heavily militaristic yet had only one system to their name.
Kind of a surprise though that Starfield (seemingly) won't have a generic independent faction that's concerned with their own safety and freedom without turning to piracy.
>generic independent faction that's concerned with their own safety and freedom without turning to piracy.
Freestar Collective fits the bill, unless you mean non-government factions
I mean more local government factions. Like their systems leader is someone on the planet/station. They're not making any grand statements about taxation and really just want to make the most of their lives in space but also just happen to own the means of production.
Is Musk retarded, why would he says this. Scratch that, I know he is retarded. I like the guy for pushing electric vehicles and space travel but man is he is diva.
He's George from Of Mice and Men tying to appeal to all the Lennies of the world.
And thus Czerka Corp was born
It’s like I’m on twitter
What’s Musk going to do, enslave some Martians and have them work in the Giga factories that he’ll totally get built and running at full production by 2030? This retard paid 44 billion for Twitter he’s just talking out of his ass as usual.
Starfield looks so uninspired and bland, NMS got boring fairly quickly but at least it looked like a Chris Foss painting come to life.
Best Korea will get there first.
Yeah that ain’t gonna stop uncle sam, manifest destiny includes our solar system and beyond.
Does he plan on living on Mars and having it be fully sustainable? Otherwise, they would just enforce them by removing him and his earth infrastructure.
>Elon's end game is Epstein Island, but on Mars
Its all so tiresome.
an island on space with giant symbolism
One criticism I really don't understand is the idea that rich people are gonna go to Mars to love in luxury. The equivalent would be living in the 1700s and saying rich people are gonna go to the middle of the Amazon to love in luxury. Mars is gonna be hard, it's a literal colony.
do marslets ever learn?
Saturnite here, Mars is for fags
>tfw diamond rain
>No earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over martian activities
>Cuts off your supply lines
>Prevents launches to mars
>Arrests you for treason and refuses to extradite you to mars
wow that was easy
>'Cutting' supply lines
Bitch are you serious
>occupies your spaceship launch docks.
>sucks your cock
What now? 😉
>docks your spaceship into my ass
Yes you dumb fucking moron do you think the supplies just magically float away from Earth? Shut down the spaceports and you cut off the supply lines. It's not some small scale project that can be smuggled without everyone in the goddamn world knowing
Nobody has actually claimed the land on mars yet, there is still a bunch of legality over who owns antartica.
Well see about that.
What's even the point of going to Mars? There's nothing there
It's huge and the theory is that it can be terraformed.
This isn't Stellaris where you push a button and wait 7000 days, actually terraforming a plant is going to take tens of thousands of years.
What's a few more tens of thousands of years on top of all the years humanity has already existed? Also I assume since it's a planner it still has like, metals and shit.
Metals and shit are basically worthless. It's how impoverished African states earn their money.
Oh I'm talking about for building infrastructure. Hauling all that shit from Earth wouldn't be very efficient.
Building space habitats would be better, there's some known metal asteroids out there. On Mars you're just on another gravity well, that's not the future of humanity.
more proof that UC is better than IBO
It would be a lot more efficient to build a Citadel or a Halo somewhere in space. Probably a lot more feasible if there were a few stops on the way to Mars. Either way Elon's full of shit and it ain't happening anytime soon.
A megastructure like that would only make sense if we had much faster means of travel than we do. For now, we're gonna have to stick to carrying everything we need before strapping rockets to our ass.
We can’t even terraform Earth and we live here.
Elon is talking about making a colony on Mars in five years. We're going to need more than guesswork and half-assed "theories" to go on.
Terraforming mars is idiotic
for the effort of terraforming mars you could build enough space habitats with a combined surface area 1000x that of mars
terraforming an entire planet is HARD
>terraforming an entire planet is HARD
I think a lot of people believe terraforming is a simple matter of planting seeds and walking away. Not melting the polar ice caps to spread oxygen to the atmosphere only to realize you still don't have nearly fucking enough to cover the surface in a breathable atmosphere.
Nevermind the fact that we'd have to find hundreds of millions of robust tree saplings, transport them to Mars, watch them all die, do it again, and all the goddamn soil that would be required with it.
Terraforming Mars in a reasonable manner would have to be an in-house project where you find most materials on Mars to make the soil viable for plant-life and then find a way for them to survive the highs of 26 burger degrees (freezing) and the lows of -130 (as cold as antarctica can get, do you fucking see trees on antarctica?)
isn't the magnetic field fucked on mars as well? don't know what you could do about that at all
magnetic deflectors in space, it's not too big a problem
the whole creating a whole biosphere out of nothing is way harder
Theres theories on creating an artificial magnetosphere but otherwise the answer is to live underground to avoid radiation.
don't forget that bombarding a planet with meteors is a process that takes literally thousands of years because surprise surprise, super-nuking a planet over and over creates a lot of heat
>creates a lot of heat
That might actually be a good thing in this case, but the kicked up dust, not so much.
Even as a process though, Mars would be entirely uninhabitable to the colonies so if we get people living on it, that means we have to get them back off of it before we fuck it up.
Magnetic fields are out of my range of knowledge so I can't rightly say. I imagine it'd fuck up electrical equipment on the regular however.
>That might actually be a good thing in this case
actually saw the math on it, bombarding Mars with meteors enough to create a sustainable hydrosphere superheats the surface and atmosphere of Mars to between 500 and 1000 kelvin
That IS a lot of fucking heat.
Still, my point wasn't that it wouldn't make things too hot to live there, but rather give us a nice window of opportunity as it cools down to begin actually terraforming without everything freezing your balls off.
500k is oven temperatures
1000k is metal forging temperatures
it absolutely is too hot and would take thousands of years for the heat to radiate
Someone told Elon Mars was full of Lithium for his Teslas
no fucking clue, all the good minerals in space can be gotten from asteroids without the prohibitive requirement of launching them off another planet
>Elon Musk trying to become the next Bioshock villain
I like how it's 2023 and still nothing has happened regarding SpaceX despite the extensive timelines they have released since the late 2010s
It's literally Star Citizen IRL
i see no reason why any goverment would care. if shit ever genuinely takes off on a larger scale, countries will probably launch their own missions, setting up their own colonies, following their own law. until then, it's a small-scale research project where a bunch of nerds will be launched into space on a seemingly profit-less rock far away. Musk's corpocolony will obviously follow whatever was decided upon by them, considering the situation they might end up needing a permission to cannibalize a dude or two, kek
If it came to cannibalism, I'd sooner dismantle the ventilation system then let it degrade like that. Someone is going to have to clean up that mess and I'd prefer to die with dignity in-tact.
>If it came to cannibalism
Muskovite cultists will volunteer for it. Just go on the reddits to read how delusional those "people" are.
>Ganker Video Games
didn't expect real life Bioshock to take place on Mars
Fuck every single space-related "celebrity" that came after Carl Sagan, unlikable cunts all of them.
I used to fucking love space, now I can't even publicly like it without being branded some kind right wing Elon balls sniffer or le reddit deGrasse Tyson "UHM ACKSHUALLY" gay
Nah space is even more worthless than Mars. It’s literally nothing.
Fuck you gay, and everyone who jerks off to Mars. There's so much crazy cool shit out in space but we stopped caring about all that because we gotta find the next planet for rich gays to live on
>we gotta find the next planet for rich gays to live on
Anon, we're talking about THE NEXT PLANET
As in THE CLOSET PLANET WE HAVE
If we can't master that, why in the ever-loving fuck are we dreaming of leaving the goddamn solar system?
>because we gotta find the next planet for rich gays to live on
isn't that new zealand?
>I used to fucking love space, now I can't even publicly like it without being branded
That's because you have no personality. Be your own man and like what you will.
>Fuck every single space-related "celebrity" that came after Carl Sagan, unlikable cunts all of them.
Because the majority of them are smarter-than-thou cunts. Sagan was empathetic and studied the humanities and history on top of being a professional planetary scientist and was able to explain complex material without sounding condescending. The majority of "popular science" people now are on the spectrum and deeply rooted in being a know-it-all autist.
The most important thing about Carl Sagan was he was not an atheist.
Worse, he's a garden gnome.
>Sagan was empathetic
Always check Early Life before you start worshipping someone.
Go back to 4chan retard
Sorry, I keep forgetting Ganker is a garden gnome-worshipping board.
Humanity will never leave its rock
Remember that you're here forever
>Humanity will never fly
>Remember that you're here forever
>Humanity will never cross the ocean
>Remember that you're here forever
>Humanity will never develop agriculture
>Remember that you're here forever
Time is a circle DIPSHIT
Humanity has gone through this cycle many times
It will always collapse at its apex
It will collapse very soon and go back to the middle age
But since most of the rare resources will have been consumed, it will never be able to create all those technological wonders
We've had one chance but then the USSR collapsed on itself instead of keeping on living to fuel the race to space further
It's unironically over
how the fuck would you know where we are at on the circle at this particular point in time, you pretentious fool? Our "apex" could be hundreds if not thousands of years in the future still.
>Humanity will never develop agriculture
Nobody has ever said that.
>Humanity will never cross the ocean
Nobody has ever said that.
>Humanity will never fly.
They said that and now know what technological marvels can bring. However the simply logistics of the matter isn't getting to mars, it's working with what we have now to create a viable (let alone profitable) colony on a planet we really have no reason to be exploring yet. The theories are there, but we haven't the proper means to put them into practice.
we already did, ISS is circling around in what's very much considered space and it seems to be working well for last 20+ years. if we can safely have humans out there, we can safely put it on any other orbit, and if we can sustain life on another orbit, why not on the ground?
>we already did, ISS is circling around in what's very much considered space
No it's circling in range of Earth's gravity, it's not flying around in space
I will start my own faction.
with the first principle being "No garden gnomes Allowed in Mars"
will Elon lead the first rape gang?
He'll be at the forefront of the rape train don't worry.
space is not real fuck off schizos
Most human activity on the near future will be centred on the Moon, Earth's orbit and nearby asteroids rather than Mars. The Moon is a lot more attractive than Mars for many reasons. It is closer to us, it doesn't take as long for us to travel there. We can set up factories for Earth there, and we can launch stuff to space from there.
it's McDaniel's, the hottest burger joint in Von Braun City
What's this from? Just one of those "totally us in 10 years gib funding" renders?
For All Mankind alt-story scifi. The premise is that space race never ended and by 1994 you have Soviets, Americans and private companies racing to Mars.
Makes me think of CP77. Richfags were visiting holiday resorts on various planets, and moon was kind of a poorfag option, with travel guides describing it as kind of a ghetto compared to pureblood mars colonies. Man, hope i'll live long enough to see something like that.
You mean the rich elite can set up factories for you and your descendents to toilet in under horrible conditions lmao
Obviously, but I can't set up factories with my four-digit bank account and the rich gays can't make it profitable without my cooperation so if we're going to do it, it has to be "we" and not "me".
I'll make them their money, they keep expanding my colony. Once we get sustainable enough to the point that we can survive for about a year without resupplies we'll cut a deal with another corponation that lets them get our materials for cheap if they let us be independent citizens. Our original corponation can suck it.
I have a pretty nice job but I am jealous as fuck of one of my best friends who earns like 5k a month working at a factory just driving staplers all day. You NEET Antifa types really have no clue how the real world blue collar workers are doing these days, do you?
The moment we colonise Mars, we will be labelled as an interplanetary species by the Milky Way Galactic Empire and either subjugated or wiped out by them.
The big question is if human pregnancy and normal childhood development will be possible on lower gravity. So, far experiment with animals seem to imply that the answer is yes. If the answer is no, we will be forced to either breed children on space station or places with simulated Earth-like gravity or use genetic engineering to deal better with non-Earth gravity.
>breeding pens will actually be a thing
ITS JUST LIKE IN MY DOUJINS
Ever heard of a caesarian? If it doesn't work, we'll make it work.
We've got plenty. If we panic now, we're going to end up in more oil wars which are historically the biggest wasters of it to begin with.
Who cares about space when we won’t be able to leave earth in like 50 years. All those satellites will fall into disrepair and we won’t even have GPS anymore.
We'll be fine in 50 years. Don't get gaslighted by scare tactics. We'll keep rolling out green-energy where we can, but at the current rate we're going through it we might have to... move to a new oil field OH THE HUMANITY
Mars has barely lower gravity than Earth.
Mars is 0.38gs, a third of Earth's
38% as strong is pretty low. The vertical leap of the Martian colonists will be impressive.
>90% of martian economy is going to be entertainment and sports which are only possible in low G
Bro…Mars will have Quidditch. It’s not fair…
The more Dino juice we waste on cars and shit, the less Dino juice we have for rockets to escape Earth. One day we will be trapped on earth with no Dino juice to escape.
>implying this shit will go anywhere anytime soon
More empty promises by the con man who oversells his ideas for investor money.
He is already the richest man in the world. If conning investors and making money was his primary goal, he has already achieved that many years ago. Also Space exploration is not exactly known to be a field that attracts a lot of investors.
This. Plus SpaceX has already succeeded in pushing things forward.
>Plus SpaceX has already succeeded in pushing things forward.
SpaceX did nothing
It was supposed to start sending materials to mars like two or three years ago, and actual crewed missions were supposed to start next year
They still didn't send a single ship to mars, not a SINGLE one
moron the rothschilds are the richest in the world, the poorest heir being worth 500 million lmao
that retard will be dead and buried and his company too before a human even sets foot on Mars, much less live in it.
I don't really understand why we don't settle underwater instead of going to space, I mean its way closer than other planets, it's still our enviroment and I'm sure figuring out underwater living its way easier and quicker to accomplish than making a home on a completely different world
Unless we can settle on Cthulhu's dick in the Marinara Trench it's not as exciring as spess.
>not posting The Bends
You had one job
the intense water pressure is mostly why
We have more solid proff of the existence of other galaxies and dark matter than the centre of Earth.
because it's full of unfathomable ancient gods while mars is pretty much uninhabited
space is both but not limited to fake and gay
just like the man you call dad
I wish mars had been the sister planet of earth instead of Venus. Same gravity but perhaps if Venus was out in mars orbit it would be more hospitable..
Why the fuck would we go to Mars when we can hardly keep it together on our own planet? These chucklefucks are going to go to Mars, trash it in their own unique way, and panic when they realize there isn't a 3rd nearby Earth-like planet to flee to.
Red Faction is a nutshell
I like that OP completely forgot to mention what any of the fucking factions are.
seems to be neutral, sort of the NASA of the game
Basically Space USA fighting against the Pirates
Used to fight United Colonies, now just Space Cowboys keeping the peace for their own people
Its unclear if Xenofresh is a proper faction or just part of the history of the world like RobCo and Vault-Tec were. It seems like Ryujin has more pull in Neon than the founders do.
>we still haven't made into the moon
>retards think anyone will get to mars in our lifetime
lmaoing at you
I think AI is going to help space colonization a ton.
>p-please mr ai, i need water
>sorry mister, you already had your daily 3 liters
Women need 3 litres. Men need 4 litres on average. Dumb AI redo your equation.
can't wait for the wild west 2 to start
>murica lands on the moon in 2025
>aight this is ours now
>china and russia send their own colonies up to grab moon soil
>musk: well done losers well done
>he lands on mars
>my fucking planet now
and an automated factory on mercury to mine the shit outta it
>Automated factory on Mercury
>Everything you send to it gets super fucking radiating and becomes a cancer beacon on return
That's actually a really bad idea, for many reasons.
You are as deep in the sun's gravity well as you can get, its really hard to orbit mercury because its so small and so close to the sun there's a tiny window to insert yourself in orbit and not getting chucked into the sun.
Then to get anything off you need a massive delta v to get out of the sun's gravity well.
Yes it has a huge iron core, but you've got an entire solar system of M type asteroids that will take millions of years to burn through before you need to trouble yourself with mining planet based minerals, and by that point its easier to just crack planets, and at that point you're building dyson spheres/swarms.
If you're able to get to space, and lift heavy industry up there, you really want to get as far out of the gravity well as possible, and there aren't many good reasons for getting stuck in one again except for research purposes.
This shit again?
Unless gravity could be made to be the same as earth or stronger living anywhere else is stupid and a waste of time.
We'd have a much easier time simulating gravity in space than on a planet.
>but for everyone else it will just be a ticket to eternal enslavement of them and all their descendants forevermore
How can you say that and speak of the USA in one breath? We love our hypocritical revolutions. There were a lot of detractors from the revolution that just saw it as mean to rebel against the Virginia Tobacco companies as the colonies were technically their property and they did fork over a lot of money to make it happen
Can't wait to get away from earth and build a white empire leaving all the darkies to rot on earth
Elon please let me in on it too
LOL no, if you try to leave Earth with a non-diverse colony crew, the fucking air force itself will shoot you down
I hated Elon before it was cool. Teslas are gay, hes a cringe gay and the only thing hes done thats good is pissing off twitter trannies
>Teslas are gay
I dunno man, they can fucking smoke you on the road and you'll never hear them coming.
you can smoke my fuckin cock bro, youre still gay
you can smoke my fuckin cock bro, youre still gay
The only thing they will smoke is their own drivers lmao
earth based government has authority over Elon Musk, the Alibaba alien head guy learnt that the hard way
How does one simulate gravity? What even is gravity?
its like a hand that pulls you back down onto earth
Make thing spin
You simulate gravity with smaller-scale centrifugal force.
>Make no mention of the sheer ludicrous quantity of materials required for the structure alone
>Make no mention of the stupid fucking amounts of energy required to keep the thing running
>Make no mention of the oxygen/nitrogen supplies to keep people living
>All to keep a max population of one single large city alive for... reasons
It's great and all to live in a fantasy but these people don't think about shit.
I don't see "laws" really being established and enforced in a Mars expedition tbh. It will just be a group effort thing like a church congregation without a pastor, a true democracy if you will.
>globetards think space is real
Do you also complain about dragons and elves? Its a fantasy game.
fuck earthers, fuck belters, duster pride galaxy wide
>Being proud of living on an uninhabitable rock and relying on gibs from governments that legally can't just watch you die from your own stupidity
Dusters or dust moronS as I like to call them are fucking parasites.
>thinking humanity will ever become a space faring race
Humans doing cool shit is for fantasy only. We can't even deal with corruption and grifters. I'd be surprised if humanity even survives the next hundred years.
Shit man, the internet is pretty cool. It might seem mundane to you if you grew up with it.
The internet has only made corruption and grifting even easier.
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How does Elon convince so many young men to cult follow his every word? Are they hoping he'll invest in their shitcoin and help them become rich?
He angers the progs
That's enough for some people
theyre mostly just gay redditors. Andrew Tate showed up to break the spell but he made the fatal error of punching a few of his whores and saying women cant drive, so hes gone now
He's a snake oil salesman that made it. Of course all the other snake oil salesmen and wannabe snake oil salesmen worship him.
It's mostly the messianic status of "wow this guy cares about the FUTURE. If we just do what he says we'll live in the FUTURE". They then ascend him to godhood and assume everything he says must be logical, y'know, like a cult.
Maybe if anybody else gave a shit about investing in space as much as him, people wouldn't like Elon so much. So if you don't want people liking him, encourage more people to get involved.
He's not investing into space. The government and rich backers are. He's a figurehead for the project and little else.
Alright, so we need more SpaceX-like groups then.
And those people could've invested into NASA or anyone else but never did. Bezos might eventually be a competitor but before Musk nobody cared enough to try.
I've had my eye on the guy for a while because he's basically a character from a book Stephen Baxter wrote in the late 90's minus some genetically engineered cuttlefish.
Starship also has the potential to be a game changer in terms of heavy lifting. I got to see it being build in south texas back when you could drive right up to it. Pretty cool to see up close, and this was before the first hop test.
i doubt the us gov will keep supporting them with that attitude
mars cope is peak brainlet futurism. reminder that vast swathes of land on earth are currently uninhabited that would be orders of magnitude easier to 'terraform' (whatever the equivalent of that term is for already earth based shit) such as the Antarctic, greenland, countless other desert and arctic locations.
the serious advance that will dwarf space travel cope is AI. If I was a billionaire tech/entrepreneur guy I would be hurriedly distancing myself from space travel memes and embracing AI and robots with whatever capital I could salvage from space SHIT.
I think the reason people are so focused on Space Colonies is "get me off of this rock before we all kill each other" and I think that's a valid reason to want it.
To suck up more government funding and ensure things go nowhere?
>To suck up more government funding and ensure things go nowhere?
Reusable rockets and other stuff SpaceX is putting out there isn't nowhere. They're already picking up the slack for NASA. He doesn't have to meet the lofty goal of a Mars colony to have progress.
>I think the reason people are so focused on Space Colonies is "get me off of this rock before we all kill each other" and I think that's a valid reason to want it.
That, and the vision for the future without space travel is bleak as fuck. Just stagnating on Earth until the sun burns out.
>get me off of this rock before we all kill each other
There are plenty ways that being on a separate planet wouldnt ensure survival. granted I suppose a natural disaster like asteroid risk would be mitigated.
the future is a long time. nobody is saying space travel is never ever. its just absurdly pointless right now.
>nobody is saying space travel is never ever.
I see plenty of people saying "let's solve our problems on Earth first," which might as well be "never ever." If you don't actually work on the problem, it'll never get anywhere. Obviously we need technological advancement in a bunch of different fields to make it work, but that doesn't mean you should abandon working on space exploration. Having people work on the problem drives innovations in the related fields as well.
>the future is a long time.
Maybe. There's theories that we might only have a short window in our civilization where we're capable of pulling it off. Civilization could collapse and never recover, we could deplete our resources to the point where it's near impossible, etc. Or an asteroid could hit Earth and kill us all. The sooner we get moving on it, the better.
>we could deplete our resources to the point where it's near impossible
We *HAVE* done this already. The low hanging fruit has been plucked for plenty of essential resources for modern and advanced technological civilization.
Rare earth metals and helium are two big ones.
Both of which are abundant up there.
It is now or never. Not just for us, but for any intelligent life that would rise on earth after us.
The great filter may very easily be getting off world fast enough.
>and I think that's a valid reason to want it
No, it's a stupid reason. One born from the arrogance of "I'm not like that. It's everyone else that is like that." No, you're like that too and getting off this rock just means you're spreading the same bullshit to space now.
>Make an arrangement with SpaceX so they will help the earth on their own expanse
>Build a massive army
>Wait until you have more than enough resources
>Blow them the fuck away before they turn full Helghast
Hey remember when everyone couldn't shut the fuck up about his brain chip? What about his polygon car? What happened to those things?
we dont need anything in space. we dont have good enough propulsion and energy tech to freely travel space and wont without significant advances. we should focus on literally any other tech.
We could invent better propulsion systems for space travel that we can use for planes or something and zoom
>we should focus on literally any other tech
We could, but getting our foot in the door with at least a moon base might vastly accelerate our progress in space-faring technology.
The time has come