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Do you remember when psychological games had other themes besides "LE GRIEF" or "LE DEPRESSION"?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that game fricking sucked only silent hill game I’ve played half of and sold.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that game fricking sucked only silent hill game I’ve played half of and sold.
      Shit taste, SH4 = SH1 >>> SH2>>>>>> SH3

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You’re wrong
        Source: every thread not started by a sh4 fan. It’s criticized so frequently that every time multiple people in a thread explain their views they’re supporting each others arguments because it’s been explained 10s of thousands of times.

        Good idea shit execution plays and feels like a hackjob not even the soundtrack is good they omitted the best songs from the game. Low budget games like this are a dime a dozen on the ps2

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >every thread not started by a sh4 fan.
          Maybe in Reddit people here loves SH4

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >people here tolerate SH4
            ftfy. SH4 is half decent and half obnoxious.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >SH4 = SH1
        How? The second half of the game invalidates your shit opinion.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I know the back tracking was painful to me because of much of my own autism. I'd stake the ghost with the sword, escord to the end of the level, then run back and grab my sword.
          I hate ghosthomies, and it meant I was back tracking in the part of the game where you're already back tracking.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just played it a few months ago and thought it was incredible. I’m a zoomer so maybe it was too ahead of its time?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you must not have played many horror games if you think silent hill 4 is "incredible". What can you say silent hill 4 does compared to other games to earn it the praise of being incredible?

        The only single thing thats unique about the game, is the room itself. and at its core its just a home hub world. If this was a game that didnt have the word silenthill attached to it, no one would know what it is. it plays like some knock off indie trash game from any no name 2000s studio. i dont understand why there are people here shilling this shitty game. its the worst or second worst sh game of the ones ive personally played.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >redditor
          >hates SH4
          Typical

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            youre probably the same guy who has been shilling this shitty game on here the last few years, im not a redditor ive been here since the 2000s i will never stop adding spaces to my posts, it reads better and its a completely made up rule. makes sense someone who is moronic enough to like sh4 follows completely made up rules other people told him to follow. surprise surprise. Ive been here longer than reddit has existed.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Ok, redditor.
              You shit on SH4 and inmiedatly praised Homecoming that have literally the same twist that SH2 but with a few changes, next thing you're going to say that Shattered Memories is actually good

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i dont care about the twist. and again i dont have a reddit account. ive been on here longer than the term "redditor" has existed. did someone give you brain damage? you act like it.

                Im talking about gameplay, art direction, enemy design, level design, sound design, there is a lot that goes into making a game good and more so in a horror game. People on here have ripped for years on SH4 for seeming like it wasnt ever even finished and just rushed out. The ending to homecoming is fricking trash but the game itself is fun enough that i still have played through it multiple times.

                Shattered memories is a better game in general than sh4. you can dislike it but objectively its a much more polished game with well executed ideas and the overall product is more impressive. Its a spin off title not a main title so the fact that someone could even say its a better game is another signal that sh4 is flawed. they shouldnt even be in the same ballpark. the exploration of the game and the ambience it has is superior to sh4. the use of the cell phone is great, the changes on playthroughs give you an incentive to replay it to see what changes. i understand why some people dont consider it a sh game but its obvious more work went into refining it than sh4 had. if sh4 had another year of work on it maybe it could have been a good game but it plays and presents itself like a betabuild full of stock sounds and stock assets.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Homecoming and Shattered Memories are but shit what the frick are you talking? also those games literally part of the problem of what OP is saying

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                can you make this post again but make sense this time? thanks.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I gonna repeat what OP posted:
                >Do you remember when psychological games had other themes besides "LE GRIEF" or "LE DEPRESSION"?
                Now use your brain to solve why Homecoming and Shattered Memories are in the wrong side of the discussion and Silent Hill 4 not.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >enemy design
                I agree with you but the enemy design is quite good, at least in audiovisual terms. Their behaviour is so braindead to accommodate the robotic controls I don't need to comment on that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if you think the enemy design and audio is good in sh4 you must think that its artwork in the other games. The other silent hill games have unique and iconic monsters to fight, and the sound effects arent stuff like burping levitating fatalframe ghosts or wheelchairs. Thats why i brought up homecoming because no matter what your opinion is of the game, the monsters they included in the game were well designed. even if you kept sh4 entirely as it were, if you replaced a lot of its shit tier free 3d model stock enemies with some of the homecoming monsters, it would have been a lot more engaging of a game.

                I gonna repeat what OP posted:
                >Do you remember when psychological games had other themes besides "LE GRIEF" or "LE DEPRESSION"?
                Now use your brain to solve why Homecoming and Shattered Memories are in the wrong side of the discussion and Silent Hill 4 not.

                yeah and he posted an image (you?) posted an image of sh4. I dont know if youre feigning ignorance or something but when people make threads about x with an image of game y usually theyre doing it because thats the main example theyre starting the conversation with.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't know if you're feigning ignorance or something but when people make threads about x with an image of game y usually they're doing it because thats the main example they're starting the conversation with.
                Yeah, because the main themes of SH are Isolation, Alienation and Loneliness which differs completely from the predominant depression or grief themes so you started talking about gameplay, level design, mechanics what has nothing to do which the lack of originality of the used themes in the actuality of the physiological genre, to add more you praised SM and Homecoming which are part of the problem since Homecoming thematically is the same plot as SH2 about Guilt and Grief and Shattered Memories is a re-imagination that took all the originality of Silent Hill 1 and turned it into one of the first game that kick-started the whole "Grief and Depression" Apocalypse in the genre.
                >tl;dr
                SH4 themes are original which is the point of the whole thread

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >SH4 themes are original which is the point of the whole thread

                i was just replying to the guy saying sh4 was a good game and that my taste is bad for not liking it. maybe that anon is (you)? i had the courtesy to explain it with examples instead of just telling hi hes moronic. (like most here would do)

                if "isolation and loneliness" are what you WANT to talk about, i like shattered memories specifically for that reason. it has top tier ambience. exploring around the cold snowfilled environments, empty stores, it accomplishes this. The only reason someone would try to argue that shattered memories doesnt do this is if they were operating from an emotional perspective of just not liking the game because it doesnt play the same way the first 3 titles do. Ii say first 3 because people have said for years sh4 doesnt feel like a silent hill game either and people even argue on that topic)

                level design has a huge impact on this as well i would argue that the environments you explore in both homecoming and shattered memories accomplish this task better than almost any or possibly all of the sh4 areas except the room and even that is me being generous but most people who think sh4 is a shit game like myself still say the room itself is well designed. its almost like they put 50% of their work into that one area and the rest of the game got the leftover time and resources.

                The reason ive played through shattered memories 3 separate times is because i think that the ambience the game has is more captivating and immersive than many other games. level design is probably one of the most important aspects of a horror game or any horror adjacent title so it isnt random for me to bring it up. you cant have well executed themes or moods without the level design supporting and creating it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >f "isolation and loneliness" are what you WANT to talk about
                God you're missing the point of the whole thread again, Shattered Memories is game about Grief and Coping which are the most exploited and unoriginal themes in Psychological genre and SM specifically was one of the causes (along with the devs trying to imitate SH2)
                In your seething about SH4 you derailed the whole thread making a discussion about mechanics

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Shattered Memories is game about Grief and Coping
                maybe to you but there is more to the game than that. even operating off your examples of isolation and loneliness it accomplishes this well, i would say more so than grief and coping. The grief and coping description you use are just narrative shit that the game tell you your character is feeling. The player doesnt feel any of this and what they feel is what the feel going through the game and THAT was why i was talking about the level design in shattered memories being memorable, because its one of the top games that comes to mind giving you that feeling.

                >reading messages on some old flip phone walking through the snow trying to find clues while trying not to get lost in an isolated but beautiful environment

                >run down frozen abandoned stores

                >streets completely empty on a foggy frozen night without another human in sight and no light on in any of the windows

                its a serene game but the entire thing feels isolated and lonely. if you just want to talk about narrative themes, whatever theme you can think of has been done to death. there is no original game anymore that isnt retreading a theme that hasnt been done repeatedly.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shattered Memories themes aren't about the feeling of Isolation or Loneliness the main and ultimate theme which the game is exploring is about "LE GRIEF" and "LE DEPRESSION" which is exactly OP complain about the genre right now. Silent Hill 4 even with all the flaws is a game were the main explored themes are about pure feelings of Isolation, Alienation and Loneliness without falling in the "LE DEPRESSION" or "LE GRIEF".

                >Shattered Memories is game about Grief and Coping
                maybe to you but there is more to the game than that. even operating off your examples of isolation and loneliness it accomplishes this well, i would say more so than grief and coping. The grief and coping description you use are just narrative shit that the game tell you your character is feeling. The player doesnt feel any of this and what they feel is what the feel going through the game and THAT was why i was talking about the level design in shattered memories being memorable, because its one of the top games that comes to mind giving you that feeling.

                >reading messages on some old flip phone walking through the snow trying to find clues while trying not to get lost in an isolated but beautiful environment

                >run down frozen abandoned stores

                >streets completely empty on a foggy frozen night without another human in sight and no light on in any of the windows

                its a serene game but the entire thing feels isolated and lonely. if you just want to talk about narrative themes, whatever theme you can think of has been done to death. there is no original game anymore that isnt retreading a theme that hasnt been done repeatedly.

                All you're saying is ultimately a narrative expression of Sheryl grief. Even the frozen and ice is Sheryl coping to froze time to "keep" her father alive so ultimately are narrative devices to express Sheryl grief and sorrow not to express loneliness or isolation as a theme. Unlike SH4 were the narrative devices are to express both Henry and Walter alienation and isolation from the world

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Shattered Memories themes aren't
                it doesnt matter and i dont care. the levels and the game itself conveys these things, the THEEEEEEEEEEEEEME dont need to. which ive said now 5 times and its what makes the game stand out. I dont play the game for the THEEEEEEEMES i play it for the game and what i get out of it. The game can be about any "theme" and it doesnt mean its what the player experience will be. So its superficial. My argument was that from a pure gameplay and level design perspective, shattered memories is better at creating these feelings in the player than sh4 is if those feelings are what you care about in the game.

                i dont even know what your ability is in reading english at this point. im not talking about ANY narrative at all. I dont know how much simpler i can make it. The THEEEEEEMMEEEEEEES a game alludes to is not always what it actually accomplishes and much of this in a horror exploration game is accomplished not by narrative or dialogue or text but in the level design and general ambience (or vibe as i suspect may be more familiar to you) that the game creates as you explore it. which is why i brought up level design over and over. i not talking about narratives.
                and if narratives are all you care about, not the ambience or mood that the game instills in the player, just the on paper lesson the game is trying to tell, every single possible on of those THEEEEEEEMMMMMMMEEEEEEEES like i said has been done to death so there is nothing that sh4 is doing that other games havent touched on. There is no such thing as a videogame with unique themes anymore.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it doesnt matter and i dont care. the levels and the game itself conveys these things.
                If the narrative can convey the themes that the work is trying to express is shit. If game that tries to convey Grief and Cope fails is narrative failure. And
                >there is nothing that sh4 is doing that other games havent touched on.
                Tell me five games that treat the same themes of Silent Hill 4.
                >I dont play the game for the THEEEEEEEMES... i not talking about narratives.
                then go whole thread is about the THEEEEMEEES and Narratives if you don't care about go we are discussing thing that you care.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                dude im not replying to you anymore because you obviously dont understand anything im saying

                videogames not new it would be statistically impossible by this year to create any game with a theme that hasnt been explored before in some way even if it wasnt perfectly identical. most themes that games tell are likewise just themes that movies and books already told. im just guessing by this point that english isnt your first language or something.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                dude im not replying to you anymore because you obviously dont understand anything im saying

                videogames not new it would be statistically impossible by this year to create any game with a theme that hasnt been explored before in some way even if it wasnt perfectly identical. most themes that games tell are likewise just themes that movies and books already told. im just guessing by this point that english isnt your first language or something.

                The OP is talking specifically about narrative themes not of what the games conveys to you moron. You're derailing the whole discussion to something that has nothing to do since OP post was about Silent Hill 4 narrative themes being original and you're yapping about how Shattered Memories makes YOU feel when the whole plot narrative themes are about Depression and Grief (part of the fricking game is in therapist session). Then you go full moron saying "there is no unique themes anymore" which has nothing to do since OP complain isn't about uniqueness themes is about exploitation how Depression and Grief are the ONLY THEMES USED RIGHT NOW and other themes are ignored.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What the frick is the narrative theme of SH4 thats so unique that that specifically requires an entire thread? IM not derailing anything because its a completely dead thread. Youre just the same person replying to me. there WAS No discussion, my posts were the only reason the thread is even up still.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What the frick is the narrative theme of SH4 thats so unique that that specifically requires an entire thread?
                Op was talking in general? the fact that you can change the Pic of SH4 with a pic of Haunting Ground and OP complain would still be valid?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >like i said has been done to death so there is nothing that sh4 is doing that other games havent touched on. There is no such thing as a videogame with unique themes anymore.
                But OP complain is about how currently in the psychological genre there is over exploitation of "LE GRIEF" or "LE DEPRESSION" as narrative themes, when before you had games with a variety of themes like SH4, SH1, SH3 or Origins, Rule of the Rose, Haunting Ground, etc and now all the new games in the genre has Depression or Grief as the main theme

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      filtered

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its boring, simple as. if it wasnt a complete failure they would have made a 5th numbered entry soon after. probably killed off most remaining interest.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    eileen shaving

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now is not the time for that.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Salty bear is my God.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because modern society is grievous and depressing so nearly everyone can relate.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A change of course. A great game.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it really is great that it never really explains what exactly was waltuh trying to summon. "mother" is never even shown or even alluded to in the worst ending where he succeeds. The big thing in the summoning chamber was apparently his transformed corpse that used to be by the fridge

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"LE GRIEF" or "LE DEPRESSION"?
    You can write the most shitty plot and people would say is great because most people they can relate to grief or being depressed.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember Eileen shaving

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Name other games that have the same horror feel for me bros.

    I loved the surreal setting of being supernaturally trapped in a normal apartment cut off from reality.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The level design was awful. The whole backtracking through all the previous maps felt like filler content too
    >At final level
    >Not fast enough to save Eileen
    >Find out you're not supposed to use Eileen as a meat shield or leave her when her dumbass AI can't keep up with you
    >Drop the game and never bother with it again

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >don't immediately get the best ending on the first playthrough
      >ragequits because he wants everything haded to him on a silver platter
      The fact that the best ending is hard to get, especially if you don't understand how the games mechanics works is good. Too many games nowadays rairlroad you into the best ending with simple binary choices.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why even go for the best ending, when it's like 2 minutes long anyway and is just the b***h going "Tee hee, guess I won't go back to the apartments xP". SH4 is more interesting on paper than it is actually playing it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the games mechanics were so good in fact that its the most hated main numbered silent hill entry

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can watch the endings in youtube, who fricking cares?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The level design was awful.
      I remember some levels being great actually. Especially the water prison. The game does have its rough designs choices but knowing how Konami treated Team Silent its amazing the games were in any way as great as they were. Really shows what passion and soul does to a team and its games.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the water prison was tedious and boring after its initial uniqueness wore off. every other level in the game was totally generic and could have just been resident evil outbreak levels they ripped. its a completely unimaginative game. as much as people shit on silenthill homecoming at the very least they went out of their way to include a lot of authentic feels creatures, sh4did nothing of the sort, it has one unique creature which is that 2 headed thing you encounter in the watertower. everything else may as well be a stock asset.

        *floating ghost
        *some worm thing
        *a hyena
        werent there monkeys or some shit in it too? i swear to god that game had no artistic vision whatsoever. Again even compared to homecoming, which is heavily criticized, the enemies you fight are varied and the levels are well done and fun to explore. You could mae an argument that neither homecoming or sh4 feel like sh games but i know which one gave me the impression they tried harder and its not sh4.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Find out you're not supposed to use Eileen as a meat shield
      Yeah no shit. It's an escort mission, you idiot

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >don't immediately get the best ending on the first playthrough
      >ragequits because he wants everything haded to him on a silver platter
      The fact that the best ending is hard to get, especially if you don't understand how the games mechanics works is good. Too many games nowadays rairlroad you into the best ending with simple binary choices.

      the escort part was piss easy. if you dont equip her with a weapon the monsters usually just ignore her. Only hairy situation is at the very end of the water tower revisit level where some six or nine twin heads gang up on them

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SH4 deserves credit for making its story more about Walter and not Henry. Henry is just some unlucky dude and that's honestly kind of refreshing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How many games today would even dare do something like this? Where the story is actually more about the antagonist while the protagonist is kind of just there in a fricked situation and is a hero simply by default? Can't think really of any games that did that.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nope

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I really wish there was more rear window stuff.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Such an underutilized concept

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    apologize

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Better than origins, homecoming, Book of Memories and Shattered Memories

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        but still not as good as the first 4

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For me its better than 3 which literally feels that he railroad game that was supposedly planned as a rail game

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >disc only for gen 7 consoles without a PC port
      >noone bought that shit so a physical copy costs a lot
      I'm not willing to spend more than 5$ on a western developed SH game that doesn't even have Yamaoka's music. That's the reason Downpour is the only SH game I haven't played but judging by what people are saying about it it's either as good as Homecoming and Shattered Memories or better than these. So probably a solid 1/10

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it's either as good as Homecoming and Shattered Memories or better than these
        it's better than the other western SH games, but still inferior to the first 4 games
        do with that what you will

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I would say SH>>>SH2>>>>SH4>>>>>>>>SH3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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          Memories>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Piss>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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          >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Book of Memories>>>>>>>>>Shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            how is piss better than trash?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              In piss you know that you're drinking piss, in thrash you could be eating from rotten meat with worms to diapers or tampons

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              ah yes
              silent hill piss
              underrated classic

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's better than the other western SH games
          I think that Origins is an alright game honestly. Worse than 1-4 but still a solid survival horror title, especially considering the fact that it's for the PSP. Theater and Mental Asylum were interesting dungeons, creepy at times even. Looking at Downpour though I'm not sure I'd like it more than Origins

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Psychological game about Grief or Depression= Easy to do!
    Psychological game about anything besides that= Difficult so writers has to actually think

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That and they just tend to copy SH2

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why there is a salty homie dropping bibles just because a anon says that SH4 is good? Walter raped his mother or something?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2 paragraphs of supporting argument is too much to read

      hey zoomer, i think youve got the wrong thread fortnite thread is 2 blocks down

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Zoomer
        I'am not the one that got salty and star dropping texts because a anon enjoyed a video game

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i can tell you are because of the way you talk and think. I supported my argument because it contributes more than just saying its a shitty game and not explaining why. i get how it would be strange to you if youre used to twitter and the character post limit though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The thing is that the thread isn't about SH4 or gameplay? nobody is discussion about game mechanics or level design. The whole discussion is a about themes so you missed the point of the whole thread?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Walter raped his mother or something?
      he just found out the apartment he is neeting in used to have numbered 302

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SH4 has one of the best storylines but some of the worst gameplay in the series. You are better off watching a longplay of someone who knows what they're doing. It's actually worth it tho the story is cool and actually unique and not just 'le character is drawn to silent hill because.... LE SPOOKY'

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eileen shaving

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my two cents: I like SH4 despite its faults
    I never played both Homecoming and Downpour, only watched LPs, always thought Downpour was clearly the superior game, and always wondered what the frick people see in Homecoming that makes them think it's so great - and I suspect the average simpleton just thinks "wow pyramid head is in it, so epic!"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what the frick people see in Homecoming that makes them think it's so great
      Literally who the frick thinks it's great

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        years and years ago there seemed to be more people that liked Homecoming than people thwt liked Downpour, even here on Ganker

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SH4 is about grief(Walter's lost mother) and depression(Henry is a depressed hikkikomori) also one of the themes is getting back at the bullies(people that were hostile to young Walter in his childhood)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You didn't played the game

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes anon let's pretend adult Walter killing the guy that screamed at him when he was a kid is a coincidence if it makes you feel better.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're ignoring that Henry being isolated in his department and the Jail

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