>can't show violence because muh triggers >can't show blood because muh family friendly >can't have races be evil because muh racial profiling >can't show the civilized good guys destroying the tribal bad guys because muh colonialism >can't show hot babes because muh male gaze, muh gender dysphoria >bare-chested musclebound hunks are ok, though >can't show straight sexuality because muh all love is equal >can't show men conforming to standards of masculinity because it's muh toxic masculinity
So you end up with sterile, bland, saccharine, and safe designs that are made to appeal to no one and offend no one.
As someone ITT said, niches have pretty much died. If I wanted a cartoony dragon design I'd go to Spyro but I also like dragon designs or descriptions made in more serious contexts like Tolkien or Soulsborne.
That was already the case during the edgy & sex sells eras tho. Now it's just a different theme that works best. Tomorrow it'll be yet another theme.
And at any given point in time as people who grew up with a certain theme will throw nostalgia-tantrums at the next generation for not having their heads screwed-on right.
It's a tale as old as time.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Objectively not true. Would you compare 4th century Roman art to 1st century one and with all honesty tell that it is just generational clash.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Well, no, because that has fuck all to do with videogame character design lol
1 week ago
Anonymous
Well if you are too dense to see the connection, its your problem then.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Uh, great, thanks for clarifying your point
1 week ago
Anonymous
Is this ancient propaganda to guilt-trip people into joining the crusades?
Only after they have completed their cultural revolution and no longer need all the chud subversives.
For now they are still trying to subvert the existing culture so they are shoving degeneracy into everything.
Dumb fat stupid brown amerimutt
Trannies and fags were seen as degenerate by the commies. Commies saw homosexuality as bourgeois, liberal, degeneracy enabled by capitalism.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't know the concepts of "useful idiot" and "the enemy of my enemy is my friend until he's no longer useful"
lol Ahmed
1 week ago
Anonymous
>he thinks commies have principles
They will use whatever means they can do gain power.
1 week ago
Anonymous
The memes are real, you really can't talk about anything without mentioning burgers lmao.
This is how capitalism works too. If you have the money, you have the influence and can pay to make things your way. It doesn't have to be profitable either as is evident by the archaic desire to keep offices as the standard, despite record profit savings on the company's part if they don't have to pay leases and electricity anymore for giant buildings.
>It doesn't have to be profitable
Only in the short term. Companies that only churn out woke slop are running on inertia from back when they made something actually good. It won't last forever.
Same thing with offices. At first it was immediate savings but over time copmanies realized that productivity has dropped drastically because most people don't have the self-discipline needed to work as well from home. The numbers are still being run on whether or not working from home is a net gain for the company.
>over time copmanies realized that productivity has dropped drastically because most people don't have the self-discipline needed to work as well from home.
at my job it was because shareholders were mad we were "wasting money" on a lease contract we couldn't get out of. despite the fact that whether the office is empty or not the rent costs are the same, they're just fucking retards that don't understand the sunk cost fallacy.
don't work for publicly traded companies. shareholders are the most subhumans on the planet and it's literally illegal (in america) to not cater to their every imbecilic whim
Dumb tinfoil hat take.
Markets need to grow, the white dude bro gamer is already buying, no need to really cater to them.
See the fable trailer: there's a huge chance dude bros will be buying it anyway so you dont need a cinematic trailer to convince them, but woman and minorities? That market is still a bit untapped, so you market to them.
Its pure money shit, and the fact that tinfoil gays like you throw all these cool theories about "destroying the family" and whatever the fuck keeps you idiots talking about those trailers and give them free marketing.
Look at fucking Hogwarts: Marketed to the untapped market, broke records, my non gamer gf bought it, her hair dresser bought it and people who buy games in general bought it, even if it was not marketed at them.
I don't know why retards think this is some big globohomo psyop and not just greedy publishers trying to get a bigger piece of the pie. It's ALWAYS about "broadening our consumer base" and appealing to potentially more paying customers.
This place is full of insane people, just on the other side of the fence of the alphabet people.
1 week ago
Anonymous
That's believable the first time. A decade of failure proves it as malice.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I used to work in a big hardware chain and with time i saw more products advertised with women holding a power saw or a multicultural family using a grill. Is this because the garden gnomes emasculate men and destroy the white race? Or, could it be out of touch executives that think this will make women buy power saws? I know which one of these you believe, so i'll leave it at that.
1 week ago
Anonymous
its both and pretending to be oblivious after this much time is disingenuous.
im not them by the way. ffs I get tired of typing that every reply to avoid people thinking im the other anon and then they think I am anyway half the time.
this, everything its shit in the gaming industry now because corporations, greed, politics, chud developers, Millennials, etc
Compare today developers with the ones from 20 years ago, the difference its from Earth to Heaven
It's 30 years at this point.
Also, it's funny that while the id guys are clearly still nerds in that picture from the 90s, they look far more normal than today's "nerds".
>can't show the civilized good guys destroying the tribal bad guys because muh colonialism
But only for orcs, which the Warcraft community decided to tie to Africans for some stupid fucking reason. There are tons of races that get stomped but because they don’t relate to their skewed view of racial correlation, they pick and choose favorites and untouchables.
>atomized by mystical green energy >no blood >no guts >killing is impersonal, killer has no involvement beyond holding glowing ball somewhere near the dude >which happens mostly off-screen >scream is just generic pain_reaction.wav, not shrill, panicked, or otherwise horrific >explodes cleanly, doesn't even leave a corpse or skeleton because we aren't allowed to show skulls in china
What a limp, sanitized death scene. If that is in any way violent to you, then I honestly don't even know what to tell you. That's the kinda death scene you could see in a disney movie.
Your argument is that this scene is "violent", when it clearly is the exact kind of clean, family-friendly bullshit the post you replied to called out.
1. I am not the same anon thus I never claimed the scene was violent
2. you are cringe
3. I am correct
1 week ago
Anonymous
Then you're just retarded, because your only contribution was a dumbass strawman.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I could fucking murder you with just my pinkie, WHfag. Go and hide back into your hole.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>blatant projection >internet tough guy >zero reading comprehension
Not gonna lie, I'm kind of glad your brand of internet retard still exists. Godspeed, you low IQ fuck.
the chinese legislation says skulls are mature only
games aimed at children cannot have skulls due to the rating
adult games can have them
kys
1 week ago
Anonymous
So you're saying any game aiming to turn an actual profit in china can't show skulls? Or games that aren't mature only here need to censor skulls already in the game so that they maintain their rating when entering the chinese market? And in fact, if you have your eye on the chinese market, and aren't developing an exclusively M-rated game, it might be more prudent to just not include skulls in your game?
1 week ago
Anonymous
games below 18+ rating are not allowed to show skulls or bones in general because they are considered mature content
games above 18+ rating are allowed
case in point: porn games or gacha games for adults
1 week ago
Anonymous
To this day I have no fucking clue by Samwise stopped being WoW's main artist, but it's been hurting it ever since Cata
I miss quaint texturing and 'rough' almost gritty artstyles of the early 2000s. Like the last breath of the 90s.
Lol, this reminds me of when gays on /co/ try to say that cartoons aren't sanitized garbage by posting some noodle-limbed lollipop person getting run through by a sword (completely bloodless of course).
>So you end up with sterile, bland, saccharine, and safe designs that are made to appeal to no one and offend no one
Yet the devs think they're "owning the haters" by doing this. In reality they are just boring everyone into unsubscribing.
>>can't show the civilized good guys destroying the tribal bad guys because muh colonialism
apart from these times where the Alliance canonically invaded some Horde capital and won, you mean?
Blizzard retconned orcs being racially evil in warcraft 3. Thrall is basically an orc moses. It was pretty clear blizz wanted to tell a story about racial inclusion for decades. Giving slyvanas and alexstrasza clothes is the real issue
The amount of fucking morons who think any of this bullshit is true is ridiculous. No they just didnt want the horde to be the bad guys anymore so they washed them of all their evil tropes and made them bland and sanitized
A reminder that zoomers literally either censor the word "die" or say "unalive" because of both being pussy gay rape victims and being influenced by e-celebs that submit to youtube's monetization standards
Are they not? Is that not why they use those images on their covers in the same way that women are shown in bikinis with large breasts in order to show off their femininity?
Are they not? Is that not why they use those images on their covers in the same way that women are shown in bikinis with large breasts in order to show off their femininity?
Book covers are disingenuous as fuck though. Not only do they often differ by region, but a disappointing amount of the time they barely even have anything to do with what is actually in the book and are just cobbled together low effort junk.
Former is aesthetics, latter is behavior
Halsin from BG3 is a musclebound beefcake but he's a softy that carves wooden ducks and eats honey sweets and has bisexual orgies with drow boys
Left looks like it was made to be cool, right looks like it was made to be some furfags fetish design. This isn't always the case but 99% of the time its true.
you know the fag who wrote this jacks off to dragon porn on a daily basis.
and not the good kind with actual dragons, the shitty anthro kind for the cucks who couldn't hack it.
It's just the usual design philosophy. It's the same kind of design as when they make the evil alien race look cool, but the good one looks like like an space elf or green human.
why is everything so dumbed down and gay
do they really think people like this homosexual shit?
like there's nothing appealing about furfag dragons
does everything have to be lame and gay?
With Spyro it's just natural progression. The new games are designed by the same furrys that had their start with the old ones. It's a cycle of degeneracy.
How do you define the value of aesthetics like this? Like I agree with you, the right looks like shit, but I'm sick of arguing with people off this site who either claim they don't see a difference or say they both look fine, or just say they don't care.
you know the fag who wrote this jacks off to dragon porn on a daily basis.
and not the good kind with actual dragons, the shitty anthro kind for the cucks who couldn't hack it.
The goal is to dehumanize evil while making you empathize with good. That's why evil gets mono-colored, angular glowing eyes, while good gets big, round, humanoid disney eyes.
I'm a zoomer. I don't like right. None of us do you millennial fuckwit.
Right is for Chinese.
Stop shifting the blame to the Chinese. You automatically associate everything you don't like with the Chinese just because your gnomish media told you so.
No actual Han Chinese man likes the image on the right. We like the old Warcraft aesthetic - what we fell in love with all those years ago.
The only people I see enjoying the nu-Warcraft look are Millenial American soi-chugging LGBT people. This gayry, by the way, is outlawed in the People's Republic of China.
The problem nor the cause lay with us. It is your own people that fell to degeneracy.
in the past artwork used to appeal to certain niches of specific aesthetics. all the dude metuhl fantasy artwork was popular with nerds back in the 80s and 90s. now everything is designed by committee to be as mass consumable as possible so you can't have these niches anymore. as a result everything is the same bland shit.
Yeah, same as it always was, I guess one could say the art is now matching in-game style now when before, the artwork and cgs always tried to make it look way more cool/edgy than it ever was.
The old graphics actually looked more like that thanks to a lack of detail making players fill in the blanks themselves, along with the fact that they just painted "grit" onto the old models which also made them fit more with the actual drawings. All of the newer stuff have removed a lot of it thanks to newer devs being pussies and not having any respect for the work that came before
i actually think taurens look bad ass as fuck in the old artwork. they looked brutal and when enraged they almost looked demonic. in WoW they look fuckin silly.
WC 1 and 2 were very much like that, same for Diablo 1 and 2.
The art took a softer turn with Wc3 but it was still dark. Wow was the the tipping point and then it got progressively worse with every expansion.
Diablo 3 was the first game where it felt completely watered down, legit no soul.
that's actually pretty funny but it's too much to actually put in a village in person, they should've kept that one as a funny reference in a book or something
Reading dragonlance books finally, and its interesting to see dragons as like weapons of mass destruction and horrifying killing machines, torching women and children in the street... versus today's dragons which are just cute puppies.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
OH MY FUCKING GOD
SEE, THE JOKE IS, THAT 'GORGONZOLA' IS CHEESE, AND THIS DRAGONS NAME IS 'GORGONZORMU' , JUST LIKE THE CHEESE, LMFAO!!!!
HE'S ALSO A MASTER OF CHEESE, BUT HE'S A DRAGON, LMFAOOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ITS FUNNY CUZ U THINK DRAGONS WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN CHEESE ENTHUSIASTS xP rofl
Those same game devs then have now leveraged their skills for six-figure IT/CS jobs, meanwhile game devs now have nothing going for them and will have to stick with it or pick up min wage jobs.
It's unironically the microtransactions and AAA companies treating their employees as extremely disposable. Ganker would rather screech about morons/garden gnomes/trannies instead of addressing the real issues because Ganker doesn't care about good games
Ganker threads about retro games get slid by culture war retards because this board is for shitposting, shilling and psyops. that's why Ganker was created
No, you just think the biggest problems with modern gaming has nothing to do with monetization or how these companies are managed because you're an actual gay with your head in the sand. Enjoy your idpol nonsense and no games.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>One of the biggest problems
1 week ago
Anonymous
Being a pendantic gay doens't change the fact you don't give a fuck about the quality of games and just are using subpar games as an excuse to whine about femoids and garden gnomes
>microtransactions and AAA companies treating their employees as extremely disposable
It's wrong for the purpose of quality game production, but the numbers don't lie. Such business conduct is profitable as fuck.
AAA business strategies fail more often than not, even for AAA companies. Ubisoft is about to declare bankruptcy, EA is looking for a buyer and ActiBlizz are selling themselves to Microsoft. It's not a sustainable model unless your end goal is to get acquired before the money runs out.
>microtransaction actions are at fault >ignores years of yearly release crunches for profits and expansion spam
do people forget history or just refuse to admit it
What's wrong wit the image on the left? It's showing a peon and he's still jacked, and carrying an axe.
You fucking morons don't even know what "cherry" picking is. The left and the right are the same energy with the image. The right is a warlord while the left is your average "peon".
It's not vidya, anon, it's the internet. The real pipeline is:
Regular autist incapable of interacting with normal society -> standard spectrum of autistic hobbies (tech, cartoons, tabletop games, comics, anime, vidya) -> internet arrives -> lack of social interaction leads to endless porn consumption -> increasing degeneracy -> internet echo chambers filled with other degenerates -> chuding out.
Autism is at the root of it all, the proof is in the pudding. All those autistic weirdo niche hobbies I mentioned are now positively infested with chuds, and it only started when the internet became widely accessible, and every degenerate fetish started creeping into acceptability with sealed off echo chambers, filled with desperate positive reinforcement.
The ultimate deciding factor is if you love yourself for your faults or want to improve some of them while still accepting who you are or being disillusioned with what you are, developing bouts of intense self-hatred and degeneration. Those troglodyte abominations who would frighten even a mindless chimp
this
hate what manhood they had and have likely been told to hate themselves for it as well.
Have you ever really immersed yourself in a degenerate community that is desperately trying to normalize their fetish? Ganker doesn't really count due to its anonymity, and a proper echo chamber requires the rapport and feeling of community that only something like a forum (or I guess discord these days) can provide.
chudism attracts the same kind of burnt out pornbrain that used to frequent furry boards, diaper fetish forums, and puppy play irc channels.
But why would I do that? I hate cuck shit that is posted here already, and it's just a peak of the iceberg.
I guess I just love myself enough to not get mutilated by big nosed doctors and the biggest factor probably is fairly conservative country when it comes to that. Although I doubt if I lived in America much would change, but who knows maybe I'd be guy in a dress addicted to Adderall
I did, but my fetishes aren't nearly as common some fucking how. On that note you need to be absolute retard to jump ship into changing sex now, technology just isn't there yet. Hormones only can do so much and have shit ton of side effects that still need decade or two of ironing out, surgeries are incredibly messy, we still very much lacking in making an artificial fuckable hole of all things and worst of all entire thing coopted by media to the point when poor bastards get into their head that they don't need to try to pass, fucking dragqueens put more effort in themselves than trannies.
>severely autistic urban men raised by single mothers >watch cartoons about little anime girls >become psychotic autogynephiliacs (literally what happened to chris chan) >big pharma garden gnomes make tens of thousands of dollars on every dr frankenstein eunuch surgery >big pharma garden gnomes push it on children to make even more $$$ and insane liberal leftoid subhumans eat it up
Seriously all the claims of "trannies live rent free in your head" make me seethe.
This was NEVER this prevalent anywhere. Not to mention we never had a trend this destructive and which caused people to be this obnoxious. Now even major mainstream e-celebs chud out (like that guy from MrBeast).
>Lara >Claire >Jill
If you erased the characters and showed me only their clothes, I wouldn't recognize who wore them.
If you showed me their iconic 'problematic' clothes from the past, I'd instantly recognize the characters.
Artists are doing a laughable job nowadays. Their work won't ever be considered important or ground-breaking, and it will be forgotten.
>zero recognizability >no uniqueness >without flair >stylistically dull
the better question is, in what ways are they "good". I can't think of a single thing unless you count looking like the average person to be an advantage when designing a major character.
that's the thing. the industry HAS to grow. they HAVE to expand the market
in most other art forms, it's not controversial to say that doing that results in shit
in videogames, they managed to conflate "expanding the audience" with diversity, inclusion, accessibility, so we can't criticize it without being alt right racist misogynists
I can look at literally hundreds of porn videos of completely nude women being railed and not feel a fucking thing, I see this and my dick almost breaks my jaw
>I love all my trans children and grandchildren
You know this person isn't a grandparent, but it's telling how chuds happen to exist exclusively around other chuds. Automatically assume if a 'trans' person has a 'trans' kid, they've been abused
WoW was always shit. I remember the months leading up to its release. I was certain it would fail, because of how awful it looked, even for its time, and how ridiculously cartoony the graphics were.
I was obviously wrong, despite what a pile of shit the game itself was.
Zoomers like right better and boomers shouldnt be playing mmo's.
If you're a boomer, chances are you're married, having a kid, or be a fucking loser.
Mmo's should invest in users that would play it for a decade minimum, boomers are no longer the target
nothing because these "people" represent nothing. fucking dumbass "non-binary" people are nothing. they have neither qualities of either gender. they are usually just women in hoodies and sweatpants. non interesting npc, vapid people. even this character, what traits make them stand out? they are a blood elf, ok. all this shit is so stupid and these people know it, they just continue to live like this to get validation because they can still be """""Gay""""" without upsetting their families
I don't know how many more times I can type ESG score black rock incorporated before I stop giving a shit. you should know WHY by now you ask daily. now do something about it.
I know you deeply want to think there is some kind of psyop conspiracy at work, but hate to break it to you its only about money.
And those who ordered this doesnt give a fuck either: If it sells they cash out a fat check to themselves, if it fails they cut budges and give themselves a fat check.
if you had said 5e in general i'd have agreed but don't pretend critical role is soulless. vox machina is the best dnd thing i've seen in a while and that includes the new movie.
>le marketable quirky character assembly line that ruined the hobby by popularizing rule of cool wank chock-full of memeable moments >not soulless
Critical Role is D&D for the Reddit and Tiktok audience, and it's the absolute worst thing that has happened to the hobby in decades, and that includes the release of 5e.
the worst thing to happen to dnd is the open license being changed don't pretend someone PLAYING IT and turning into an animation is a bad thing jesus christ you people hate everything. I thought I was disenfranchised with earth. apparently not.
Someone playing it in this specific way to an audience of millions of casuals that now flood the hobby with their specific way of wanting to play, causing the market to realize this untapped potential and warp around this new influx of casuals is the worst thing that can happen to any hobby. Hell, it happened to fucking video games, and we're still suffering the consequences.
1 week ago
Anonymous
things change, your old video games are still there for you to play anon. Just like how there are still all the other editions of D&D and TTRPGs to play.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Accepting change for the worse is for cucks, and I won't do it. Casuals need to get the fuck out of my hobby, and take their shit trends with them.
vox machina is the definition of shit taste m8
mercer has always been a fucking awful DM that encouraged main character syndrome
>mercer has always been a fucking awful DM that encouraged main character syndrome
Exactly that. Now everyone's running around expecting their campaign to be a quirky sitcom with themselves as the beloved protagonist. They communicate exclusively in marvel-tier quips, play characters that are the same brand of eye-rolling smug cunt you find in modern writing, force situations with the transparent goal of making them into a funny story they can tell others like them later, and consider engaging with the rules purely optional.
You're comparing actual art, done by one of the best artists of his era, to some mid-tier Deviant Art """artists""". Talk about cherry picking your data to prove your point.
Left is legitimately creative, it just isn't rendered fully like right. It's the kind of creature forums would be talking about due to how unique it looks.
t. drawfag
God damn that left pic just made my brain into autistic BardicBroadcasts tier override I could talk about it for hours. It is so simple and so powerful, by showing less it is telling more. It takes special kind if genius to come up with that.
>old >emphasis is on the adventure and the aesthetic >new >emphasis is on how much they want to fuck each other
shipping culture is the worst product of modern fiction and it's not even close
Stop arguing with retards. They are wrong, you are right, the end. You cannot convince people of anything, it simply does not work. If someone is uninformed then you can inform them, but if they've already drawn their own conclusions then there is nothing you can say to change that in 99.99% of cases. Stop wasting your time.
moron you're arguing this shit with your FRIENDS??? why the fuck are you even friends with them? you have much bigger problems than rhetoric if you can't even handle who you associate with and don't associate with, holy fuck get a grip
1 week ago
Anonymous
How? Where do I find non retarded friends?
1 week ago
Anonymous
I will pray to Allah to save you from your own retardation
It was done by Keith Parkinson, one of the original TSR artists who was instrumental in establishing the look of fantasy art at that time. He worked with oil paint on real canvases. Can you name anyone today who is influential in that way, or who would have the slightest idea what they were doing with a paintbrush and without daddy adobe's photoshop? We have become so much lesser since the 80's and 90's it's not even funny.
Completely fucking mind broken. Look at how hard WoW influenced this reboot attempt. Every single thing in the bottom image is trying emulate WoW. All of that glorious Keith Parkinson artwork on the top and its all cast aside for an imitation.
I love how they cover the chicks ass on the bottom right with her dagger... like come the fuck on dude.
I would be dollars to donuts the original submitted (new art) didnt have the ass covered, and some corporate smegma goblina was like "this is offensive, change it."
Top >A beautiful woman entices you with a magic staff >A wizard with a HUGE brain takes a peek at her ass >A bard is looking at something. They are standing next to a Red Dragon for some reason? Is it theirs? >A Paladin is smiting evil in the background >A lanky troll thing is sneaking up on the paladin >A dwarf and hobbit are being scared of a giant green shaman woman >A drow is fighting a scantily clad barbarian
Bottom: >An ugly woman is staring tough at nothing >A cool paladin dude with a sword and paulder that looks too heavy is looking tough towards the other direction (there is also nothing there) >A tough lady looks at an on-going fight. Her hammer is big. >A big dragon sits on a rock, looking intimidating. >A kobold at his feet is scared of him. >An orc is attacking nothing in particular >A dwarf is dodging an attack >A tiger with human armor and a human sword and human hands is joining the fight >A hot drow is fighting. Her boobs are spilling but she is wearing heavy armor otherwise >She is being attack by a wild women. She is holding two daggers awkwardly, and her left hand seems to be mirrored. The text 'Everquest Next hides how freakishly long her leg is.
>get high as fuck >watch warcraft videos that focus on a character from WC3 and clips all their cutscenes together to show off their entire story, sometimes up to WoW >absolutely lossed in all the cheesy goodness of early Warcraft
it's kino, bros
illidan is one of the coolest characters ever because he appeals to that edgy teenager energy inside us
also like I point out every day now my hobbies get worse because billion dollar corporations make them worse. I have no way to change them. they don't listen to me.
Tell me what's the difference between her and WoW elves
Even in fucking WC3 they didn't look feral at all, they were just purple sluts in bikinis and bows
WoW pussified them and I still maintain the largely contrarian viewpoint that they should've been neutral or unplayable or just outright hostile. They turned them into jokes, people who concede territory to their enemies, prance around or stand idly by while everything they built and fought for is burned. These are the same elves who killed Orcs for cutting some trees or wanted to fight the Horde/Alliance to the death.
>What happened to character design?
Blizzard had a talent retention problem. The old artists left to go join or found other companies, and were replaced by new hires to whom WoW's artstyle and techniques were not passed on. You begin to see the transition from WoW's gritty look to soft and round shapes and oversaturated colors in MoP.
Reminder.
This original image was made by someone so assblasted over modern Warcraft, they had to grab Hearthstone reddit fanart just to try and make a point.
No it doesn't, if there's plenty of official art you can find to help make your case.
Why go for Fanart, if you're not trying to be disingenuous. At least
>No it doesn't
Yes it does. That a fan thought this art was appropriate and they weren't LAUGHED AT FOR BEING MENTALLY ILL means everyone who isn't laughing at them thinks it was appropriate.
He started it. Not fucking joking here. Seeing WW in Nintendo Power when I was 10 was the first time I recall graphics disappointing me in a sequel.
Today you can see every follicle of Kratos's soi beard and every disgusting movement of a mocapped manface, you look back at OoT/MM and say "Yeah, that was pretty cartoony!" but you're wrong.
The were only lightly stylized, but still trying to portray a fantasy adventure world the best they could with the technology at the time. They actually were trying to portray realistic looking humans (hylians really but whatever) but could only get as far as triangle noses and such. MGS1 was supposed to purely realistic looking but Snake still just looked like a box for a head with less detail than OoT Link. But would you say MGS1 was going for cartoony graphics?
WW was, and it caught on, and slowly but surely Orcs went from disgusting beasts to little fuccboi green hipsters.
Everyone give your thanks, to the worst Link in the worst Zelda.
Objectively and provably wrong. WoW was in its planning stage when blizzard started developing warcraft 3. While settling the art direction, they decided that vivid, cartoonish graphics were best suited for longevity. They saw how mmos had an issue of pushing cutting edge graphics that would alienate low end pc users and then age horribly in just a few years. This was all before WW's first showcase
Having done some art for hearthstone I can tell you it's the few art directors that purposefully steer everything to shite. Exactly why and how are these people getting top positions at blizzard is a mystery.
As a scalie I just want to point out that dracthyr originally had gendered options and that they were both pretty good. It's this middle nonbinary crap that's a bonnet killer
>dumbass shoulderpads >humanized le noble savage moron orcs >only "good" because it has slightly less of what WoW art cursed fantasy with
Come closer and repeat that into my choppa
They really needed to nail the "Sunwalkers wear brightly painted but still TRIBAL garb" shit to make Sunwalkers cool and they just failed so hard with Dezco he literally looks like a bad transmog of like early golden tier paladin gear clearly meant for a human/dwarf just shoved on a Tauren
Sunwalkers should've been added in fuckimg TBC and not blood elves if Horde needed paladins tbh, the concept was cool but too little too late
>Infact priest and warlock should have been faction specific as well.
this is the correct approach yet blizzard catered to the crowd that doesn't like "ugly" races. so for 17 fucking years holy fucking kek you've had gayy mana addicted elf paladins
If I resurrect my account, will my mana addicted blood elf paladin from 2008 have become one of those bloodelf ghouls you fought in the belf starting area? He hasn't mana tapped anything for over a decade
It is never going away, This is the future we chose.
Globohomo total nig noggening and gayization of our planet.
You thought you could hide in your vidya?
>yes because I dont buy garbage game anymore.
Said the same thing until I bought Cross Code, which is supposed to be made by a German dev team.
Every third NPC in towns is black.
you are retarded if you think some company is going to pay you anything but peanuts to draw for them. everyone knows the real money is in catering to suHispaniciously wealthy furries.
I don't think anyones surprised artists and animators are treated like dirt, these companies will likely never wake up to that fact. A guy speaking monotone and playing a billionare in a suit of armor is being paid half a billion to play make believe while a doctor struggles to make ends meet. The doctor will offer more to the world than the former drug addict playing a cartoon character.
>The doctor will offer more to the world than the former drug addict playing a cartoon character.
very, very debatable depending on the doctor. but on the whole i agree
This one is fucking retarded because in literally the next page he talks about the situation "improving somewhat" and that was decades ago
Canadian animation schools, the ones he's decrying, usually have painters and animators and comic artists come in through distance learning these days, it's made the problem absurdly simple to fix
But instead, this image has been spammed for literally years
>because in literally the next page he talks about the situation "improving somewhat" and that was decades ago
Yes, and then nothing actually improved. You think artists and animators in the east or west are learning fundamentals anymore?
I'm literally currently in a school for fucking videogame development in a downtown inner city college in Canada, and never touched a computer for most of the first year, it was entirely clay sculpting, perspective drawings, life drawings, and watercolors, including master studies, taught by an awarded oil painter, a comic artist, the VFX artist who got the team a VFX award for that game of thrones wing shot, and people who've worked in 3D since the poweranimator SGI days
This is before I even touched a fucking unity window
I'm aware, (tbh I took it because I got a free ride so I said fuck it we ball but that's not the point) but the point is I got drilled fundamentals for a year before even touching game development, and I'm not even really going into art, it's inane to think art skill and fundamentals don't exist or can't be taught
We had copies of the animator's survival guide for free use which is exactly why I can point out the page we're talking about
The examples in that image are fine art degrees which are entirely different
1 week ago
Anonymous
Same here anon, I wasted a year of my GI Bill on Game Dev college. Well, not wasted, because the government paid me a "housing allowance", but still.
How mad are you going to be when they force you to make corporate-tier garden gnome nu-art?
And you don't need unity lessons, that's for the indians and the one white programmer they use to tie all the poocode together.
Poor thing. Has no idea what the real world is like. You're going to get crushed like a ton of fucking bricks, especially when you start looking for an actual job and see who you're working with.
I'm aware of the horror stories but I got a full ride of funding, enjoy the classes, met classmates with similar goals, and I don't care if I end up a shitty artsy indie dev and make bad games my whole life
1 week ago
Anonymous
If you're not racking up debt and the courseload isn't heavy but you're actually learning proper fundamentals, you and some friends should start making indie games while you're still students that way you don't have to worry about other income. If you can make a little money doing that, then you don't have to go work for a shit studio when you graduate and you can have money to develop a bigger game when you graduate.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>that spoiler
Okay well at least get some stuff in a portfolio.
Asset design is probably the hardest thing, but is actively seeked out.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Can't wait to see you in the credits of Volcano High 2 :^) j/k good luck, hope you get to live the dream gay
1 week ago
Anonymous
Free college is fine. Like other anons said: Make some shit. Maybe even try to sell some shit. Who knows, maybe you will strike it big?
Don't worry bros Netflixs Zack Snyders Rebel Moon videogames will be the true Warfraft killer! Androgynous brown anorexic women will be the new Warcraft Starcraft!
Still waiting for this game, but all new games look like shit and has non-whites and gays plastered all over them.
The future is gay as fuck, i want to go back.
the crazy shit about this if you dig into it, this company is funded by some weird family company in Egypt or some shit, I can't believe what I was reading but I'm having a brainfart trying to remember the specific details where the money comes from, I think it went as far as Burlesconi the French President remember his bunga bunga parties or was that Italy, I can't remember the guy's name was Burlesconi, though
fuck man being born in the best era of video games
like life didnt want me to study a career or get a good job
fuck
i could have been a medic or something with the shit ton of free time i have now FROM THE FUCKING BOREDOM I HAVE HOLY SHIT
Warcraft 1 and 2 were made by warhammer fans that desperately wanted to bring their retarded chaos orc fanfic into reality.
The IP deal with GW fell through for reasons history does not tell, but the game's still got made.
Somewhere between warcraft 3 and burning crusade all the warhammer people fucked off to other studios.
Over the later years remaining people that understood the original vision eventually got old, mellowed out and/or retired.
All that's left is a bunch of trannies, women and soys who's first introduction to warcraft was probably secondary sources like WoW or god forbid some tertiary shit like the south park episode or youtube.
It's dead. It's been dead for a long time. It's not coming back.
Ironically Warhammer will meet the same fate sooner rather than later as GW is getting pretty pozzed themselves. It's a miracle it took them so long though.
I mean right could have been funny if it was just a normal orc instead of a chud looking one i think? i be down for a questline about a human nation weeb orc wanting you to collect souvenirs by killing alliance guards and handing him the armor or something.
not to keep harping on this since I quit wow at the end of OG tbc, but that right image is what made me realize the devs were making fun of the playerbase/being intentionally disrespectful to the franchise or at least it drove the point home to me that they are infact bullying the people still playing the game
Seems like only two kinds of millennials went into vidya dev: Soi gays, and talentless worker drones.
Compare good games made by millennials to games made by Gen X, it's not even a contest.
We were raised with the 'free range parenting'-mentality, we're allergic to anything boring and need to consume entertainment constantly to distract ourselves from the superficial lives we live.
We're Generation Consumer, we're not here to make games, we're here to play them.
[...]
Why do retards keep pretending it's millennials that are the heads of departments and CEOs/COOs of companies and not the gay pushing Gen Xer's that followed their shitty parents to a T with the gnomish push and pro selling out for any % of the pie??
It has never been easier for indie developers, yet a small team of millennials can only produce an allegory for depression where Gen X at least could make a game.
Gen X had to deal with Boomer corporate moneymen too, so why is our generation failing to produce anything worthwhile?
so using your own analogy, just switching the generations around - do you really want me to believe that it's baby boomers who's responsible for all the awesome stuff from the '90s and '00s? Fucking really?
Do you REALLY think that's bobby fucking Kottick, who's responsible for all lgbthiv+&£ shit in Activision vidya and not the millenial art, design and diversity&inclusion dept heads?
Boomer ceo only care about making more $$$s, not culture wars etc
You stupid assholes ignore the gen xers because you are head up ass.
Who the fuck taught millennials the poison boomers spread?
What generation were all the drugged up dope heads that fought wars in the name of drugs, sex, and degenerate shit?
What generation was it that is on it's way to retirement and a piece of the pie that was carved out of their own chest just to sell the countries they grew up in for more 3rd world shitholes to be let in by VOOTing??
WAS IT THE MILLENNIALS OR WAS IT THE FUCKING GENERATION LITEARLLY RIGHT INFRONT OF YOU??
Dumbasses.
It's not really a generational thing, it's more like a (trigger warning): SLIPPERY SLOPE.
Whatever you say, Gen X made better games. No matter how terrible they are, it just makes millennials look even worse by comparison because of our braindead consumer mentality. We live in a world that is 100% derivative, and we cannot create.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>It's not really a generational thing
You're hopeless and stupid. I hope a pack of morons rape you.
1 week ago
Anonymous
My point was that the things you complain about run through all generations, and get progressively worse.
I forgot you need a lot of exposition here, are you American? Hablas Engles?
My wife teaches high school and all of her 160 students would not have been able to leave the 4th grade 25 years ago. Not even a single one. In fact she has orders not to fail them....They are all a bunch of stupid worthless gays.
We were raised with the 'free range parenting'-mentality, we're allergic to anything boring and need to consume entertainment constantly to distract ourselves from the superficial lives we live.
We're Generation Consumer, we're not here to make games, we're here to play them.
[...]
It has never been easier for indie developers, yet a small team of millennials can only produce an allegory for depression where Gen X at least could make a game.
Gen X had to deal with Boomer corporate moneymen too, so why is our generation failing to produce anything worthwhile?
It's getting worse. Kids nowadays are raised terribly by neglectful parents who just sit them in front of Spiderman x Elsa poop injection videos all day. They end up feral sperglords who can barely form a sentence and have no attention span at all, my cousin had a son and he dual wields a tablet and a phone now at the age of 4.
>feral sperglords
jej'd out loud at that one.
It's true, i feel bad like we should be warning zoomers what happens when you live your life addicted to distractions. Millennials know all too well the price for that, but here we are sitting on our ass bitching about vidya.
It's all going to shit, isn't it?
How? Where do I find non retarded friends?
You have the friends you deserve, learn and teach them how to have genuine dialogue or you will both go without.
How in the hell do I have a genuine dialogue that the cutscenes in the RE4 Remake look like shit compared to the original? How do I have a dialogue when if I talk too long about something even if I am completely neutral and not insulting them, they get mad and boot me from the Discord call?
1 week ago
Anonymous
You are clearly being too insistant, try changing the topic and make your point more clear and concise the next time.
From their perspective, you probably sound aggressively whiny and you ruin their good time, try some introspection autism-kun.
1 week ago
Anonymous
They shouldn't be having a good time with this shit.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I know, but if good taste was common we wouldn't be in this thread.
It's like the vidya equivalent of the white mans burden, you just have to carry that weight and hope it gets better.
true, I'm not sure why but our generation is creatively bankrupt
and also the most touchy when it comes to shit like this
Why do retards keep pretending it's millennials that are the heads of departments and CEOs/COOs of companies and not the gay pushing Gen Xer's that followed their shitty parents to a T with the gnomish push and pro selling out for any % of the pie??
so using your own analogy, just switching the generations around - do you really want me to believe that it's baby boomers who's responsible for all the awesome stuff from the '90s and '00s? Fucking really?
Do you REALLY think that's bobby fucking Kottick, who's responsible for all lgbthiv+&£ shit in Activision vidya and not the millenial art, design and diversity&inclusion dept heads?
Boomer ceo only care about making more $$$s, not culture wars etc
Nothing. You just like shitty games.
Rykard, the lord of blasphemy was one of the coolest bosses in any video game, design and fight wise. Even if the story was weaker the other fromsoftware games, elden ring has some impressive character designs for its demigods.
This badass art was from Shadowlands just one year ago. Have they really turned WoW art into that kiddie shit overnight? That was the one thing WoW was always good at even during the worst expansions: the art.
Boomers destroyed the social institutions their children needed to have, and wonder why their children are so lonely. Boomers denied future generations the generational wealth they enjoyed and wonder why their children hate capitalism. Boomers didn't have to compete with immigrants from the rest of the world; they imported those immigrants to decrease their payroll expenses.
Gen Y was the first generation to live with those failures. Failure of education. Failure of marriages. The destruction of the family. The loss of religion.
The great tragedy of millenials is unrestricted internet access. Many young men grew up with porn addiction. The other great treagedy of the millenials is that everything is year zero.
The tragedy of Gen Z is how heavily propagandized they are by the internet and the failing education system.
>can't show violence because muh triggers
>can't show blood because muh family friendly
>can't have races be evil because muh racial profiling
>can't show the civilized good guys destroying the tribal bad guys because muh colonialism
>can't show hot babes because muh male gaze, muh gender dysphoria
>bare-chested musclebound hunks are ok, though
>can't show straight sexuality because muh all love is equal
>can't show men conforming to standards of masculinity because it's muh toxic masculinity
So you end up with sterile, bland, saccharine, and safe designs that are made to appeal to no one and offend no one.
You summed it up better than I ever could. Great job!
Nothing is fun anymore.
Everything fun offends someone, and it's better to be miserable than hurt some soft baby's feelings.
As someone ITT said, niches have pretty much died. If I wanted a cartoony dragon design I'd go to Spyro but I also like dragon designs or descriptions made in more serious contexts like Tolkien or Soulsborne.
yeah this is the danger of "numbers must go up" capitalism.
everything must appeal to the lowest common denominator. You can't make a game that one group loves and everyone else hates.
That was already the case during the edgy & sex sells eras tho. Now it's just a different theme that works best. Tomorrow it'll be yet another theme.
And at any given point in time as people who grew up with a certain theme will throw nostalgia-tantrums at the next generation for not having their heads screwed-on right.
It's a tale as old as time.
Objectively not true. Would you compare 4th century Roman art to 1st century one and with all honesty tell that it is just generational clash.
Well, no, because that has fuck all to do with videogame character design lol
Well if you are too dense to see the connection, its your problem then.
Uh, great, thanks for clarifying your point
Is this ancient propaganda to guilt-trip people into joining the crusades?
We don't use the word "fun" around here.
uhmm actually all these things aren't wholesome
you should grow up!
You are being murdered
They offend me.
These games aren't made for you anymore, anon
Capitalism was a mistake.
This is literally communism at work.
Coomunists would send trannies to the gulag
Only after they have completed their cultural revolution and no longer need all the chud subversives.
For now they are still trying to subvert the existing culture so they are shoving degeneracy into everything.
Dumb fat stupid brown amerimutt
Trannies and fags were seen as degenerate by the commies. Commies saw homosexuality as bourgeois, liberal, degeneracy enabled by capitalism.
>he doesn't know the concepts of "useful idiot" and "the enemy of my enemy is my friend until he's no longer useful"
lol Ahmed
>he thinks commies have principles
They will use whatever means they can do gain power.
The memes are real, you really can't talk about anything without mentioning burgers lmao.
true
This is how capitalism works too. If you have the money, you have the influence and can pay to make things your way. It doesn't have to be profitable either as is evident by the archaic desire to keep offices as the standard, despite record profit savings on the company's part if they don't have to pay leases and electricity anymore for giant buildings.
>It doesn't have to be profitable
Only in the short term. Companies that only churn out woke slop are running on inertia from back when they made something actually good. It won't last forever.
Same thing with offices. At first it was immediate savings but over time copmanies realized that productivity has dropped drastically because most people don't have the self-discipline needed to work as well from home. The numbers are still being run on whether or not working from home is a net gain for the company.
>over time copmanies realized that productivity has dropped drastically because most people don't have the self-discipline needed to work as well from home.
at my job it was because shareholders were mad we were "wasting money" on a lease contract we couldn't get out of. despite the fact that whether the office is empty or not the rent costs are the same, they're just fucking retards that don't understand the sunk cost fallacy.
don't work for publicly traded companies. shareholders are the most subhumans on the planet and it's literally illegal (in america) to not cater to their every imbecilic whim
Dumb tinfoil hat take.
Markets need to grow, the white dude bro gamer is already buying, no need to really cater to them.
See the fable trailer: there's a huge chance dude bros will be buying it anyway so you dont need a cinematic trailer to convince them, but woman and minorities? That market is still a bit untapped, so you market to them.
Its pure money shit, and the fact that tinfoil gays like you throw all these cool theories about "destroying the family" and whatever the fuck keeps you idiots talking about those trailers and give them free marketing.
Look at fucking Hogwarts: Marketed to the untapped market, broke records, my non gamer gf bought it, her hair dresser bought it and people who buy games in general bought it, even if it was not marketed at them.
Tl;dr;: get help
I don't know why retards think this is some big globohomo psyop and not just greedy publishers trying to get a bigger piece of the pie. It's ALWAYS about "broadening our consumer base" and appealing to potentially more paying customers.
This place is full of insane people, just on the other side of the fence of the alphabet people.
That's believable the first time. A decade of failure proves it as malice.
I used to work in a big hardware chain and with time i saw more products advertised with women holding a power saw or a multicultural family using a grill. Is this because the garden gnomes emasculate men and destroy the white race? Or, could it be out of touch executives that think this will make women buy power saws? I know which one of these you believe, so i'll leave it at that.
its both and pretending to be oblivious after this much time is disingenuous.
im not them by the way. ffs I get tired of typing that every reply to avoid people thinking im the other anon and then they think I am anyway half the time.
china kicked blizzard out for refusing to comply
the chinese communist party has outlawed gay propaganda
>Marxism relativism and 3rd wave
>Somehow capitalism
>catering solely to what makes money and what shareholders want
>its muh marxism!!!
americans should be gunned down.
Marxists are the biggest proponents of "Do as I say, not as I do"
See: China and Hong Kong
fpbp
Corporatism*
I was planning to write a litany about corporate greed and shifting target audiences in both gameplay and design but you've put it very well.
fpbp
They offend me.
this, everything its shit in the gaming industry now because corporations, greed, politics, chud developers, Millennials, etc
Compare today developers with the ones from 20 years ago, the difference its from Earth to Heaven
learn to crop dumbass
before and after
Unbelievable amount of soul.
The good times are long behind us.
It's 30 years at this point.
Also, it's funny that while the id guys are clearly still nerds in that picture from the 90s, they look far more normal than today's "nerds".
It feels like nerds kinda died out. The only people you're legitimately allowed to shit on now are incels
>good character design = offensive
interesting
Anything that offends trannies, gays, women, etc. Are good character designs.
>offend no one.
I am extremely offended by it.
>saccharine
that's how I know you're a pseud
I find it offensive for finding it offensive.
>can't show the civilized good guys destroying the tribal bad guys because muh colonialism
But only for orcs, which the Warcraft community decided to tie to Africans for some stupid fucking reason. There are tons of races that get stomped but because they don’t relate to their skewed view of racial correlation, they pick and choose favorites and untouchables.
>>can't show violence becau-AAAACK
?t=211
KYS chud
>atomized by mystical green energy
>no blood
>no guts
>killing is impersonal, killer has no involvement beyond holding glowing ball somewhere near the dude
>which happens mostly off-screen
>scream is just generic pain_reaction.wav, not shrill, panicked, or otherwise horrific
>explodes cleanly, doesn't even leave a corpse or skeleton because we aren't allowed to show skulls in china
What a limp, sanitized death scene. If that is in any way violent to you, then I honestly don't even know what to tell you. That's the kinda death scene you could see in a disney movie.
>dude I want everything to be like muh Warhammer 40K fan videos where people explode into chunks when touched by a bullet
Your argument is that this scene is "violent", when it clearly is the exact kind of clean, family-friendly bullshit the post you replied to called out.
1. I am not the same anon thus I never claimed the scene was violent
2. you are cringe
3. I am correct
Then you're just retarded, because your only contribution was a dumbass strawman.
I could fucking murder you with just my pinkie, WHfag. Go and hide back into your hole.
>blatant projection
>internet tough guy
>zero reading comprehension
Not gonna lie, I'm kind of glad your brand of internet retard still exists. Godspeed, you low IQ fuck.
?t=44
modern warcraft is less violent than DBZ in terms of gore
>we aren't allowed to show skulls in china
i love how this retarded meme is still being parroted around by clueless imbeciles like you
prove us wrong then
the chinese legislation says skulls are mature only
games aimed at children cannot have skulls due to the rating
adult games can have them
kys
So you're saying any game aiming to turn an actual profit in china can't show skulls? Or games that aren't mature only here need to censor skulls already in the game so that they maintain their rating when entering the chinese market? And in fact, if you have your eye on the chinese market, and aren't developing an exclusively M-rated game, it might be more prudent to just not include skulls in your game?
games below 18+ rating are not allowed to show skulls or bones in general because they are considered mature content
games above 18+ rating are allowed
case in point: porn games or gacha games for adults
I miss quaint texturing and 'rough' almost gritty artstyles of the early 2000s. Like the last breath of the 90s.
>cartoon bright lights "violence"
go fuck yourself gay
Lol, this reminds me of when gays on /co/ try to say that cartoons aren't sanitized garbage by posting some noodle-limbed lollipop person getting run through by a sword (completely bloodless of course).
>So you end up with sterile, bland, saccharine, and safe designs that are made to appeal to no one and offend no one
Yet the devs think they're "owning the haters" by doing this. In reality they are just boring everyone into unsubscribing.
Well said.
>>can't show the civilized good guys destroying the tribal bad guys because muh colonialism
apart from these times where the Alliance canonically invaded some Horde capital and won, you mean?
So morons were right all along?
Blizzard retconned orcs being racially evil in warcraft 3. Thrall is basically an orc moses. It was pretty clear blizz wanted to tell a story about racial inclusion for decades. Giving slyvanas and alexstrasza clothes is the real issue
Well no they just made Thrall be the only good orc and anytime Thrall is not in charge orcs go genocidal.
baldy rageface guy put it best. "YOU'RE BORING!"
he's not wrong
you know
Fippy bippy
The amount of fucking morons who think any of this bullshit is true is ridiculous. No they just didnt want the horde to be the bad guys anymore so they washed them of all their evil tropes and made them bland and sanitized
this right here
is she trying to fit a really large dildo in her asshole?
it's over
you covered almost anything, not bad
it's genuinely crazy how people are willing to consume this garbage that I know for a fact they dislike
>it's genuinely crazy how people are willing to consume this garbage that I know for a fact they dislike
holy shit, thank you, you put something I couldn't form into words perfectly
people will consume this shit, they won't enjoy it, they will complain about it endlessly but they WILL jump to it's defense at a moment's notice
it's fucking bizarre
Blizzardbros... we lost.
A reminder that zoomers literally either censor the word "die" or say "unalive" because of both being pussy gay rape victims and being influenced by e-celebs that submit to youtube's monetization standards
>>bare-chested musclebound hunks are ok, though
>>can't show men conforming to standards of masculinity because it's muh toxic masculinity
you completely contradict yourself here though, which is it?
>covers of women's romance novels are peak masculinity
lol
lmao
Are they not? Is that not why they use those images on their covers in the same way that women are shown in bikinis with large breasts in order to show off their femininity?
Book covers are disingenuous as fuck though. Not only do they often differ by region, but a disappointing amount of the time they barely even have anything to do with what is actually in the book and are just cobbled together low effort junk.
Former is aesthetics, latter is behavior
Halsin from BG3 is a musclebound beefcake but he's a softy that carves wooden ducks and eats honey sweets and has bisexual orgies with drow boys
It came back to live in peace
>Nikocado Orcicado
Left looks like it was made to be cool, right looks like it was made to be some furfags fetish design. This isn't always the case but 99% of the time its true.
It's just the usual design philosophy. It's the same kind of design as when they make the evil alien race look cool, but the good one looks like like an space elf or green human.
why is everything so dumbed down and gay
do they really think people like this homosexual shit?
like there's nothing appealing about furfag dragons
does everything have to be lame and gay?
Simplicity has gone out the window, then nu-artists complain their design isn't remembered or praised.
With Spyro it's just natural progression. The new games are designed by the same furrys that had their start with the old ones. It's a cycle of degeneracy.
This. 00's Spyro fans were pretty much Sonic-lite because of this, especially after LoS and Cynder happened.
More like Spyro the fucking gay!
How do you define the value of aesthetics like this? Like I agree with you, the right looks like shit, but I'm sick of arguing with people off this site who either claim they don't see a difference or say they both look fine, or just say they don't care.
you know the fag who wrote this jacks off to dragon porn on a daily basis.
and not the good kind with actual dragons, the shitty anthro kind for the cucks who couldn't hack it.
you know the worst part? he probably thinks of dragons like dogs
Dragons Dog.. ma?
Why call it a dragon at that point
Why not come up with your own monster name
Left looks like it fucks right in the ass missionary
>facial hair on a reptile
I hate whoever made this for that alone
It's because retarded globally shared design mentality states that reptiles=evil so you have to make your good guys more mammal.
the best designs is having a dragon look evil and menacing yet is a good guy.
They both look like shit.
I want to get fucked by both.
Soulful gay dragon vs soulless gay dragon
>enemy type
>scalefag commission piece
Both are scalefag commissions
I want to top both. Bottomise them.
>bad dragons
Doesn't look like he's made of silicone, though the shape seems about right.
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
GET BOIGNANT GET BOIGNANT GET BOIGNANT GET BOIGNANT GET BOIGNANT GET BOIGNANT GET BOIGNANT
Dunno how many will agree, but I think the left would look better with pupils.
The goal is to dehumanize evil while making you empathize with good. That's why evil gets mono-colored, angular glowing eyes, while good gets big, round, humanoid disney eyes.
Why do modern dragon designs give them massive retard underbites anyway?
Its perceived as being manly I suppose.
I liked the dragons in vox machina.
fify
>Even the scaliefags agree than the right design is pure gaytry
Kek
Thumbnail for this looks like the nordic man meme.
scaliefag here. we also can't stand the shit on the right. its the sense of danger we like. not whatever that safe gay shit is.
Shut up, fake bitch. Scalie-GODs love both.
Both of these are fine as long as they're massive and can crush my pelvis into dust.
>bad dragons
heh
Meanwhile in TBC era WoW
oddly familiar, soijak face, wew
that is like so racial and stereotypical OMG years and years fighting for good representation in games and that is what we get
warctaft 3 happened with turning orcs into dindunuffin le honorable barbarians nignogs
> warctaft 3 happened with turning orcs into dindunuffin le honorable barbarians nignogs
FPBP
Ameripoors hit a wall and Blizzard wanted the Chinese audience, so they shifted their focus to that market.
Blizzard doesn't have a presence in China after they cut ties with netease.
Stop shifting the blame to the Chinese. You automatically associate everything you don't like with the Chinese just because your gnomish media told you so.
No actual Han Chinese man likes the image on the right. We like the old Warcraft aesthetic - what we fell in love with all those years ago.
The only people I see enjoying the nu-Warcraft look are Millenial American soi-chugging LGBT people. This gayry, by the way, is outlawed in the People's Republic of China.
The problem nor the cause lay with us. It is your own people that fell to degeneracy.
in the past artwork used to appeal to certain niches of specific aesthetics. all the dude metuhl fantasy artwork was popular with nerds back in the 80s and 90s. now everything is designed by committee to be as mass consumable as possible so you can't have these niches anymore. as a result everything is the same bland shit.
wc3 ruined warcraft
The Prides have fallen.
Isn't the right image from Hearthstone, which has a more "goofier" take on Warcraft
Of course this is cherrypicked but OP has a point.
Even the grittiest, edgiest card in Hearthstone doesn't come close to the tone on the left.
there's nothing like the tone on the left in any blizz game in any history of it. its just concept art.
should say warcraft. forgot diablo was blizz shit
Yeah, same as it always was, I guess one could say the art is now matching in-game style now when before, the artwork and cgs always tried to make it look way more cool/edgy than it ever was.
The old graphics actually looked more like that thanks to a lack of detail making players fill in the blanks themselves, along with the fact that they just painted "grit" onto the old models which also made them fit more with the actual drawings. All of the newer stuff have removed a lot of it thanks to newer devs being pussies and not having any respect for the work that came before
evil mommy magatha
>no evil cow gf
why live
>tfw they killed Cairne in a book and were so proud they made an art out of it.
WoW has always been dogshit for chudy addicts.
i actually think taurens look bad ass as fuck in the old artwork. they looked brutal and when enraged they almost looked demonic. in WoW they look fuckin silly.
WC 1 and 2 were very much like that, same for Diablo 1 and 2.
The art took a softer turn with Wc3 but it was still dark. Wow was the the tipping point and then it got progressively worse with every expansion.
Diablo 3 was the first game where it felt completely watered down, legit no soul.
everything is trivialized
that's actually pretty funny but it's too much to actually put in a village in person, they should've kept that one as a funny reference in a book or something
Reading dragonlance books finally, and its interesting to see dragons as like weapons of mass destruction and horrifying killing machines, torching women and children in the street... versus today's dragons which are just cute puppies.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
OH MY FUCKING GOD
SEE, THE JOKE IS, THAT 'GORGONZOLA' IS CHEESE, AND THIS DRAGONS NAME IS 'GORGONZORMU' , JUST LIKE THE CHEESE, LMFAO!!!!
HE'S ALSO A MASTER OF CHEESE, BUT HE'S A DRAGON, LMFAOOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ITS FUNNY CUZ U THINK DRAGONS WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN CHEESE ENTHUSIASTS xP rofl
Those same game devs then have now leveraged their skills for six-figure IT/CS jobs, meanwhile game devs now have nothing going for them and will have to stick with it or pick up min wage jobs.
It's unironically the microtransactions and AAA companies treating their employees as extremely disposable. Ganker would rather screech about morons/garden gnomes/trannies instead of addressing the real issues because Ganker doesn't care about good games
This is the lowest effort bait I've seen today. Ganker has threads about retro games all the time.
Ganker threads about retro games get slid by culture war retards because this board is for shitposting, shilling and psyops. that's why Ganker was created
No, you're just a gay with his head in the sand. You refuse to see one of the biggest problems with modern gaming. Enjoy your subpar games.
No, you just think the biggest problems with modern gaming has nothing to do with monetization or how these companies are managed because you're an actual gay with your head in the sand. Enjoy your idpol nonsense and no games.
>One of the biggest problems
Being a pendantic gay doens't change the fact you don't give a fuck about the quality of games and just are using subpar games as an excuse to whine about femoids and garden gnomes
>microtransactions and AAA companies treating their employees as extremely disposable
It's wrong for the purpose of quality game production, but the numbers don't lie. Such business conduct is profitable as fuck.
It's profitable as fuck for a few established players while the vast majority of companies that try it flame out or get bought out.
If a non-AAA company tries AAA business strategies, no one should be surprised when they fail.
AAA business strategies fail more often than not, even for AAA companies. Ubisoft is about to declare bankruptcy, EA is looking for a buyer and ActiBlizz are selling themselves to Microsoft. It's not a sustainable model unless your end goal is to get acquired before the money runs out.
>the microtransactions and AAA companies
>morons/garden gnomes/trannies
>BUT DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT BLAMING THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT ALL
does profit seeking by executives really explain why all modern art and writing is total dogshit though?
>won't hire competent people because it costs more
>hire tumblr idiots straight out of college
unironically yes
>microtransaction actions are at fault
>ignores years of yearly release crunches for profits and expansion spam
do people forget history or just refuse to admit it
duh
>comfy 80s devroom
Soul.
thats hearthstone tho
its actually fanart so not even from hearthstone
I don't give a shit about warcraft but cherrypicking is fun.
What's wrong wit the image on the left? It's showing a peon and he's still jacked, and carrying an axe.
You fucking morons don't even know what "cherry" picking is. The left and the right are the same energy with the image. The right is a warlord while the left is your average "peon".
jokes on you W2 peons are deadly early game
that image on the right is a good example of power creep and why shit gets too retarded over time.
this
What chudo games do to people. This medium has been a disease since it's inception
It's not vidya, anon, it's the internet. The real pipeline is:
Regular autist incapable of interacting with normal society -> standard spectrum of autistic hobbies (tech, cartoons, tabletop games, comics, anime, vidya) -> internet arrives -> lack of social interaction leads to endless porn consumption -> increasing degeneracy -> internet echo chambers filled with other degenerates -> chuding out.
Autism is at the root of it all, the proof is in the pudding. All those autistic weirdo niche hobbies I mentioned are now positively infested with chuds, and it only started when the internet became widely accessible, and every degenerate fetish started creeping into acceptability with sealed off echo chambers, filled with desperate positive reinforcement.
I'm a porn addicted degenerate that has spend 20 years on the internet and I have never once thought about taking an axe to my dick.
The ultimate deciding factor is if you love yourself for your faults or want to improve some of them while still accepting who you are or being disillusioned with what you are, developing bouts of intense self-hatred and degeneration. Those troglodyte abominations who would frighten even a mindless chimp
hate what manhood they had and have likely been told to hate themselves for it as well.
Have you ever really immersed yourself in a degenerate community that is desperately trying to normalize their fetish? Ganker doesn't really count due to its anonymity, and a proper echo chamber requires the rapport and feeling of community that only something like a forum (or I guess discord these days) can provide.
chudism attracts the same kind of burnt out pornbrain that used to frequent furry boards, diaper fetish forums, and puppy play irc channels.
But why would I do that? I hate cuck shit that is posted here already, and it's just a peak of the iceberg.
I guess I just love myself enough to not get mutilated by big nosed doctors and the biggest factor probably is fairly conservative country when it comes to that. Although I doubt if I lived in America much would change, but who knows maybe I'd be guy in a dress addicted to Adderall
I did, but my fetishes aren't nearly as common some fucking how. On that note you need to be absolute retard to jump ship into changing sex now, technology just isn't there yet. Hormones only can do so much and have shit ton of side effects that still need decade or two of ironing out, surgeries are incredibly messy, we still very much lacking in making an artificial fuckable hole of all things and worst of all entire thing coopted by media to the point when poor bastards get into their head that they don't need to try to pass, fucking dragqueens put more effort in themselves than trannies.
Bottom right is the demon that shows up in my nightmares.
these creatures call others chuds
why did you post new vegas players?
It's never going to work, chud
The realization becomes a lot more clearer when you compile it all together like this.
Anyone with any talent left within the last ten to fifteen years and they've had to fill the gap with deviantart and tumblr rejects.
>pink shirt on the left
when did Shawn from Mega64 chud out
>yaniv
isn't that the "GAY COMMUNIST NARUTO REVOLUTION NOW" retard from a decade ago?
>severely autistic urban men raised by single mothers
>watch cartoons about little anime girls
>become psychotic autogynephiliacs (literally what happened to chris chan)
>big pharma garden gnomes make tens of thousands of dollars on every dr frankenstein eunuch surgery
>big pharma garden gnomes push it on children to make even more $$$ and insane liberal leftoid subhumans eat it up
hitler was right
MY FUCKING EYES WGT WOULD YOU POST THS
How many of them do you think have committed sudoku already?
one of them transitioned back and said it was the worst mistake of his life
Seriously all the claims of "trannies live rent free in your head" make me seethe.
This was NEVER this prevalent anywhere. Not to mention we never had a trend this destructive and which caused people to be this obnoxious. Now even major mainstream e-celebs chud out (like that guy from MrBeast).
Life could be worse, could be on of them, then again if I'm at the point of such comparison that's telling enough isn't it.
Insincere and petty women had to sign off on everything.
>Lara
>Claire
>Jill
If you erased the characters and showed me only their clothes, I wouldn't recognize who wore them.
If you showed me their iconic 'problematic' clothes from the past, I'd instantly recognize the characters.
Artists are doing a laughable job nowadays. Their work won't ever be considered important or ground-breaking, and it will be forgotten.
>new Lara
>remake Jill
I still have to hear a single good argument about why they're "bad".
>zero recognizability
>no uniqueness
>without flair
>stylistically dull
the better question is, in what ways are they "good". I can't think of a single thing unless you count looking like the average person to be an advantage when designing a major character.
These are all subjective .
oh, ok; I guess no need for any discussion then. You can leave now.
So you concede defeat then ?
>zero recognizability
>no uniqueness
Is this bait or are you genuinely this retarded?
Warcraft concept art in 1995 wasn't designed to target the lowest common denominator mass audience
that's the thing. the industry HAS to grow. they HAVE to expand the market
in most other art forms, it's not controversial to say that doing that results in shit
in videogames, they managed to conflate "expanding the audience" with diversity, inclusion, accessibility, so we can't criticize it without being alt right racist misogynists
it's all so tiresome
THEY RAPED IT LIKE A FURRgay SODOM AND GAMORA
>Also modern WoW
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Modern? 2013 ow modern on game liferimes?
old blizzard art is so fucking KINO. goddamn. i remember looking through my Brood War booklet 100s of times just to see the art. fuck nu-blizzard man
It got better, chud.
reminder that there are coomer rebels still working at Blizz and they are fighting the good fight
quilboar pussy hnnnng
I would.
Quillboar are the one wow race that has females but I've never got horny over, and this changes today, i demand moar
>pigfucker, pigfucker, pigfucker
>furries
then truly, all is lost
better than, say, tranime
>tfw no punk rock piggy gf
This is a lateral move from anime for babies, it's "safe sexy" art for people who were molested while watching Barney.
Fat ugly girls with big tits are considered safe horny
She is not ugly, though.
I'm saying in general, you are allowed to sexualize ugly characters because it gives them "agency"
Same thing with fat girls
Making attractive women is considered a microaggression
forced retard
What anon means is:
>Only furries still work at Blizzard.
this
blizzard has been churning out nothing but hideous furslop since cataclysm and deranged fufrags keep insisting that its a good thing
God bless furries who draw fat titty
what the fuck is wrong with me
I can look at literally hundreds of porn videos of completely nude women being railed and not feel a fucking thing, I see this and my dick almost breaks my jaw
you are mentally ill and require electro shock.
If this is wrong then I don't want to be right
You're wrong and need about 10,000 volts.
To my nipples, right?
That's even gayer
Anything straight men like must be destroyed and repackaged for everyone
There are people at Blizzard who are doing everything they can to unwarcraft Warcraft and you won't convince me otherwise.
>we could've had gigachad-dragons as a playable race
>instead we got a bunch of onions-gay dev self-inserts
captcha:kys pr
both of these kinda gay
Goys lost
its amazing how they managed to make something like an orc seem so faggy
they hired disney rejects and now the game reeks of californian
I'm so glad these people killed wow
>I love all my trans children and grandchildren
You know this person isn't a grandparent, but it's telling how chuds happen to exist exclusively around other chuds. Automatically assume if a 'trans' person has a 'trans' kid, they've been abused
WoW was always shit. I remember the months leading up to its release. I was certain it would fail, because of how awful it looked, even for its time, and how ridiculously cartoony the graphics were.
I was obviously wrong, despite what a pile of shit the game itself was.
Zoomers like right better and boomers shouldnt be playing mmo's.
If you're a boomer, chances are you're married, having a kid, or be a fucking loser.
Mmo's should invest in users that would play it for a decade minimum, boomers are no longer the target
I'm a zoomer. I don't like right. None of us do you millennial fuckwit.
Right is for Chinese.
>I'm a zoomer
How does it feel to be scum of the earth?
women
How do we feel about the first they/them character?
nothing because these "people" represent nothing. fucking dumbass "non-binary" people are nothing. they have neither qualities of either gender. they are usually just women in hoodies and sweatpants. non interesting npc, vapid people. even this character, what traits make them stand out? they are a blood elf, ok. all this shit is so stupid and these people know it, they just continue to live like this to get validation because they can still be """""Gay""""" without upsetting their families
Looks like every other androgynous gay character in WoW
This literally looks like Hearthstone card art. What have they done to WoW?
They make more money selling to the child demographic.
I don't know how many more times I can type ESG score black rock incorporated before I stop giving a shit. you should know WHY by now you ask daily. now do something about it.
I know you deeply want to think there is some kind of psyop conspiracy at work, but hate to break it to you its only about money.
And those who ordered this doesnt give a fuck either: If it sells they cash out a fat check to themselves, if it fails they cut budges and give themselves a fat check.
And then they have you: the useful idiot.
>cucked modern wow art
Disgusting stuff
prey eyes
>What happened to character design?
It has to be representative and relatable.
leftists
women
>women
one person there is a woman
You're still posting that fan art and pretending it's official?
Yeah that's retarded, but it has nothing to do with my response.
if you had said 5e in general i'd have agreed but don't pretend critical role is soulless. vox machina is the best dnd thing i've seen in a while and that includes the new movie.
>don't pretend critical role is soulless
I don't pretend, I claim it is.
sounds like a you problem.
Not really.
>le marketable quirky character assembly line that ruined the hobby by popularizing rule of cool wank chock-full of memeable moments
>not soulless
Critical Role is D&D for the Reddit and Tiktok audience, and it's the absolute worst thing that has happened to the hobby in decades, and that includes the release of 5e.
the worst thing to happen to dnd is the open license being changed don't pretend someone PLAYING IT and turning into an animation is a bad thing jesus christ you people hate everything. I thought I was disenfranchised with earth. apparently not.
Someone playing it in this specific way to an audience of millions of casuals that now flood the hobby with their specific way of wanting to play, causing the market to realize this untapped potential and warp around this new influx of casuals is the worst thing that can happen to any hobby. Hell, it happened to fucking video games, and we're still suffering the consequences.
things change, your old video games are still there for you to play anon. Just like how there are still all the other editions of D&D and TTRPGs to play.
Accepting change for the worse is for cucks, and I won't do it. Casuals need to get the fuck out of my hobby, and take their shit trends with them.
>mercer has always been a fucking awful DM that encouraged main character syndrome
Exactly that. Now everyone's running around expecting their campaign to be a quirky sitcom with themselves as the beloved protagonist. They communicate exclusively in marvel-tier quips, play characters that are the same brand of eye-rolling smug cunt you find in modern writing, force situations with the transparent goal of making them into a funny story they can tell others like them later, and consider engaging with the rules purely optional.
Anon you have shit taste, live with it, it's why your hobbies progressively get worse, you have zero standards
vox machina is the definition of shit taste m8
mercer has always been a fucking awful DM that encouraged main character syndrome
ok ("fuck you I liked it")
>but don't pretend critical role is soulless
Critical slop ruined D&D, it's peak soulless shit for gays like yourself to gobble up
i feel sad for you
>characters curse like they were raised in modern day america
you...like this shit?
do you by any chance have the anime version of D&D on you too
look, if we are talking about the artistic direction, top is light years better than bottom, but Dragonlance is fucking ass
nerds are lamenting that pulp fantasy art is dead
They are completely right. It's just that Dragonlance was, is and will always be shit
You're comparing actual art, done by one of the best artists of his era, to some mid-tier Deviant Art """artists""". Talk about cherry picking your data to prove your point.
soul vs souless
Your mind is infected.
Your crotch wound is infected
thing on the left looks cool though
like a monster you would see in classical medieval artwork
Left is legitimately creative, it just isn't rendered fully like right. It's the kind of creature forums would be talking about due to how unique it looks.
t. drawfag
God damn that left pic just made my brain into autistic BardicBroadcasts tier override I could talk about it for hours. It is so simple and so powerful, by showing less it is telling more. It takes special kind if genius to come up with that.
>old
>emphasis is on the adventure and the aesthetic
>new
>emphasis is on how much they want to fuck each other
shipping culture is the worst product of modern fiction and it's not even close
spot on
>old good
>new bad
literally
also garden gnomes
This is fine with me. Any reason more people call blacks a bunch of gays is always hilarious. They hate that shit more than they hate mexicans.
Low IQ take
They shouldn't be there at all.
How do you argue with someone who claims they can't see the difference here, think both are of equal aesthetic value or say they don't care?
t. brainlet sick of arguing with people that run circles around me but also sick of modern day diarrhea trends
stop caring enough to argue about it
>argue with someone who says they don't care
You don't
Stop arguing with retards. They are wrong, you are right, the end. You cannot convince people of anything, it simply does not work. If someone is uninformed then you can inform them, but if they've already drawn their own conclusions then there is nothing you can say to change that in 99.99% of cases. Stop wasting your time.
I have an incredibly hard time finding non retarded friends then.
moron you're arguing this shit with your FRIENDS??? why the fuck are you even friends with them? you have much bigger problems than rhetoric if you can't even handle who you associate with and don't associate with, holy fuck get a grip
How? Where do I find non retarded friends?
I will pray to Allah to save you from your own retardation
critical role is gay but I want to fuck the goblin
>helmetless retards
vs
>helmetless retarded freaks
Hmmm, i can't notice any significant downgrade, only minimal
Dumb bastard. They are heroic main characters. You don't put full face covering helmets on people unless they are villains or mooks.
everquest art used to be so cool
It was done by Keith Parkinson, one of the original TSR artists who was instrumental in establishing the look of fantasy art at that time. He worked with oil paint on real canvases. Can you name anyone today who is influential in that way, or who would have the slightest idea what they were doing with a paintbrush and without daddy adobe's photoshop? We have become so much lesser since the 80's and 90's it's not even funny.
Completely fucking mind broken. Look at how hard WoW influenced this reboot attempt. Every single thing in the bottom image is trying emulate WoW. All of that glorious Keith Parkinson artwork on the top and its all cast aside for an imitation.
I love how they cover the chicks ass on the bottom right with her dagger... like come the fuck on dude.
I would be dollars to donuts the original submitted (new art) didnt have the ass covered, and some corporate smegma goblina was like "this is offensive, change it."
Top
>A beautiful woman entices you with a magic staff
>A wizard with a HUGE brain takes a peek at her ass
>A bard is looking at something. They are standing next to a Red Dragon for some reason? Is it theirs?
>A Paladin is smiting evil in the background
>A lanky troll thing is sneaking up on the paladin
>A dwarf and hobbit are being scared of a giant green shaman woman
>A drow is fighting a scantily clad barbarian
Bottom:
>An ugly woman is staring tough at nothing
>A cool paladin dude with a sword and paulder that looks too heavy is looking tough towards the other direction (there is also nothing there)
>A tough lady looks at an on-going fight. Her hammer is big.
>A big dragon sits on a rock, looking intimidating.
>A kobold at his feet is scared of him.
>An orc is attacking nothing in particular
>A dwarf is dodging an attack
>A tiger with human armor and a human sword and human hands is joining the fight
>A hot drow is fighting. Her boobs are spilling but she is wearing heavy armor otherwise
>She is being attack by a wild women. She is holding two daggers awkwardly, and her left hand seems to be mirrored. The text 'Everquest Next hides how freakishly long her leg is.
I prefer top
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>get high as fuck
>watch warcraft videos that focus on a character from WC3 and clips all their cutscenes together to show off their entire story, sometimes up to WoW
>absolutely lossed in all the cheesy goodness of early Warcraft
it's kino, bros
illidan is one of the coolest characters ever because he appeals to that edgy teenager energy inside us
More like
>get high as fuck
>watch some PvP video back from Vanilla or TBC
>*Celldweller blasts through the speakers*
Good times
>thread about WoW character design getting shittier
>alliancebitches still crawl in through the cracks to scream about hordechads
lmao
All answers ITT can be just boiled down to "Women". Women ruined it, they ruin everything creative. It happens every single time.
also like I point out every day now my hobbies get worse because billion dollar corporations make them worse. I have no way to change them. they don't listen to me.
I miss when Night Elves were more feral.
>we went from this to generic anime elves colored purple
Unironically starting to hate WoW the more i see wc3 concept art
>dude she has leaves on her head she is so feral
she literally looks like a WoW NE, aka a slut
I know this is Ganker but you don't have to share every retarded thought you have.
Tell me what's the difference between her and WoW elves
Even in fucking WC3 they didn't look feral at all, they were just purple sluts in bikinis and bows
WoW pussified them and I still maintain the largely contrarian viewpoint that they should've been neutral or unplayable or just outright hostile. They turned them into jokes, people who concede territory to their enemies, prance around or stand idly by while everything they built and fought for is burned. These are the same elves who killed Orcs for cutting some trees or wanted to fight the Horde/Alliance to the death.
>What happened to character design?
Blizzard had a talent retention problem. The old artists left to go join or found other companies, and were replaced by new hires to whom WoW's artstyle and techniques were not passed on. You begin to see the transition from WoW's gritty look to soft and round shapes and oversaturated colors in MoP.
>warcraft, 2023
>post fan art for a Hearthstone expansion from 2021
huh?
Reminder.
This original image was made by someone so assblasted over modern Warcraft, they had to grab Hearthstone reddit fanart just to try and make a point.
The point still stands regardless of origin.
No it doesn't, if there's plenty of official art you can find to help make your case.
Why go for Fanart, if you're not trying to be disingenuous. At least
is an official design document from Hearthstone.
>No it doesn't
Yes it does. That a fan thought this art was appropriate and they weren't LAUGHED AT FOR BEING MENTALLY ILL means everyone who isn't laughing at them thinks it was appropriate.
Reddit fanart from two years ago at that. This may be the worst cherrypicking I've ever seen.
He started it. Not fucking joking here. Seeing WW in Nintendo Power when I was 10 was the first time I recall graphics disappointing me in a sequel.
Today you can see every follicle of Kratos's soi beard and every disgusting movement of a mocapped manface, you look back at OoT/MM and say "Yeah, that was pretty cartoony!" but you're wrong.
The were only lightly stylized, but still trying to portray a fantasy adventure world the best they could with the technology at the time. They actually were trying to portray realistic looking humans (hylians really but whatever) but could only get as far as triangle noses and such. MGS1 was supposed to purely realistic looking but Snake still just looked like a box for a head with less detail than OoT Link. But would you say MGS1 was going for cartoony graphics?
WW was, and it caught on, and slowly but surely Orcs went from disgusting beasts to little fuccboi green hipsters.
Everyone give your thanks, to the worst Link in the worst Zelda.
lolwut
WW retrospectively gets non-stop dicksucking. The cartoony look was absolutely controversial at the time, being a new Zelda on a next-gen console.
Objectively and provably wrong. WoW was in its planning stage when blizzard started developing warcraft 3. While settling the art direction, they decided that vivid, cartoonish graphics were best suited for longevity. They saw how mmos had an issue of pushing cutting edge graphics that would alienate low end pc users and then age horribly in just a few years. This was all before WW's first showcase
>He started it
The one on the right looks like a degenerate sex tourist.
estrogen, simple as
Having done some art for hearthstone I can tell you it's the few art directors that purposefully steer everything to shite. Exactly why and how are these people getting top positions at blizzard is a mystery.
>Murder good
>Sex bad
As a scalie I just want to point out that dracthyr originally had gendered options and that they were both pretty good. It's this middle nonbinary crap that's a bonnet killer
Never forget.
Not a single leftist wants to live in a majority poc neighborhood. They all want their 98% whites.
Imagine how good things could be.
I'm bored of this thread
Posting some of the best art wow had
Overdesigned
>dumbass shoulderpads
>humanized le noble savage moron orcs
>only "good" because it has slightly less of what WoW art cursed fantasy with
Come closer and repeat that into my choppa
wtf is with all those tassels?
They really needed to nail the "Sunwalkers wear brightly painted but still TRIBAL garb" shit to make Sunwalkers cool and they just failed so hard with Dezco he literally looks like a bad transmog of like early golden tier paladin gear clearly meant for a human/dwarf just shoved on a Tauren
Sunwalkers should've been added in fuckimg TBC and not blood elves if Horde needed paladins tbh, the concept was cool but too little too late
They shouldn't have added paladins to horde in the first place. Infact priest and warlock should have been faction specific as well.
>Infact priest and warlock should have been faction specific as well.
this is the correct approach yet blizzard catered to the crowd that doesn't like "ugly" races. so for 17 fucking years holy fucking kek you've had gayy mana addicted elf paladins
If I resurrect my account, will my mana addicted blood elf paladin from 2008 have become one of those bloodelf ghouls you fought in the belf starting area? He hasn't mana tapped anything for over a decade
It is never going away, This is the future we chose.
Globohomo total nig noggening and gayization of our planet.
You thought you could hide in your vidya?
yes because I dont buy garbage game anymore.
>yes because I dont buy garbage game anymore.
Said the same thing until I bought Cross Code, which is supposed to be made by a German dev team.
Every third NPC in towns is black.
not that anon's fault you're retarded
>get aesthetic looking indies and pirate modestly interesting looking AAA until proven it's not shit
boom.
Degradation of artists everywhere in general.
>Slade School of London
do they even animate in london?
you are retarded if you think some company is going to pay you anything but peanuts to draw for them. everyone knows the real money is in catering to suHispaniciously wealthy furries.
I don't think anyones surprised artists and animators are treated like dirt, these companies will likely never wake up to that fact. A guy speaking monotone and playing a billionare in a suit of armor is being paid half a billion to play make believe while a doctor struggles to make ends meet. The doctor will offer more to the world than the former drug addict playing a cartoon character.
>The doctor will offer more to the world than the former drug addict playing a cartoon character.
very, very debatable depending on the doctor. but on the whole i agree
This one is fucking retarded because in literally the next page he talks about the situation "improving somewhat" and that was decades ago
Canadian animation schools, the ones he's decrying, usually have painters and animators and comic artists come in through distance learning these days, it's made the problem absurdly simple to fix
But instead, this image has been spammed for literally years
>because in literally the next page he talks about the situation "improving somewhat" and that was decades ago
Yes, and then nothing actually improved. You think artists and animators in the east or west are learning fundamentals anymore?
Yes you moron
I'm literally currently in a school for fucking videogame development in a downtown inner city college in Canada, and never touched a computer for most of the first year, it was entirely clay sculpting, perspective drawings, life drawings, and watercolors, including master studies, taught by an awarded oil painter, a comic artist, the VFX artist who got the team a VFX award for that game of thrones wing shot, and people who've worked in 3D since the poweranimator SGI days
This is before I even touched a fucking unity window
>school for videogame development
ayy lmao
I'm aware, (tbh I took it because I got a free ride so I said fuck it we ball but that's not the point) but the point is I got drilled fundamentals for a year before even touching game development, and I'm not even really going into art, it's inane to think art skill and fundamentals don't exist or can't be taught
We had copies of the animator's survival guide for free use which is exactly why I can point out the page we're talking about
The examples in that image are fine art degrees which are entirely different
Same here anon, I wasted a year of my GI Bill on Game Dev college. Well, not wasted, because the government paid me a "housing allowance", but still.
How mad are you going to be when they force you to make corporate-tier garden gnome nu-art?
And you don't need unity lessons, that's for the indians and the one white programmer they use to tie all the poocode together.
Poor thing. Has no idea what the real world is like. You're going to get crushed like a ton of fucking bricks, especially when you start looking for an actual job and see who you're working with.
Swap majors ASAP.
You don't need a degree in that to design vidya.
Go into comp science or something that will actually make you money.
I'm aware of the horror stories but I got a full ride of funding, enjoy the classes, met classmates with similar goals, and I don't care if I end up a shitty artsy indie dev and make bad games my whole life
If you're not racking up debt and the courseload isn't heavy but you're actually learning proper fundamentals, you and some friends should start making indie games while you're still students that way you don't have to worry about other income. If you can make a little money doing that, then you don't have to go work for a shit studio when you graduate and you can have money to develop a bigger game when you graduate.
>that spoiler
Okay well at least get some stuff in a portfolio.
Asset design is probably the hardest thing, but is actively seeked out.
Can't wait to see you in the credits of Volcano High 2 :^)
j/k good luck, hope you get to live the dream gay
Free college is fine. Like other anons said: Make some shit. Maybe even try to sell some shit. Who knows, maybe you will strike it big?
>I'm literally currently in a school for fucking videogame development
>I'm literally currently in a school for fucking videogame development
you goofed, get into compsci or get a trade ASAP
Don't worry bros Netflixs Zack Snyders Rebel Moon videogames will be the true Warfraft killer! Androgynous brown anorexic women will be the new Warcraft Starcraft!
Still waiting for this game, but all new games look like shit and has non-whites and gays plastered all over them.
The future is gay as fuck, i want to go back.
i really enjoyed this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srnyVw-OR0g
ps: Lisa is my waif
How does she breath in space?
She is on the bridge of a ship, the starry background is being projected onto screens that surround her.
this is so over the top and retarded, fuck it's good
the crazy shit about this if you dig into it, this company is funded by some weird family company in Egypt or some shit, I can't believe what I was reading but I'm having a brainfart trying to remember the specific details where the money comes from, I think it went as far as Burlesconi the French President remember his bunga bunga parties or was that Italy, I can't remember the guy's name was Burlesconi, though
Evil does not create, it takes and distorts and presents it as better.
haha you took that gay shit straight from deviantart
that's gayporn before the action starts
Why are we accepting things getting worse?
Why do we keep paying for this stuff?
The lower the bar goes, the lower it can go next, it's never ending.
we're not paying for it. its being funded against our will.
lmao, have you seen the newest FLCL that just came out? Its literally cg.
I've managed to dodge it. Sounds GREAT though!
Just remember, even if you think they reached the bottom, it's always gets worse
>shitty 3D models
>low fps makes them look worse
>story seems to be a retread/remake of the first
their laziness is almost impressive
It was highly successful and every gay out there is praising it. Why put effort forth?
they made another one?
I thought progressive was universally shit on
I just watch and play old stuff. It's cheap, plentiful and fulfilling.
I don't, but the overwhelming majority of people don't seem to notice a difference and get really pissy with you if you point it out.
Because people keep paying for it and defending it relentlessly.
fuck man being born in the best era of video games
like life didnt want me to study a career or get a good job
fuck
i could have been a medic or something with the shit ton of free time i have now FROM THE FUCKING BOREDOM I HAVE HOLY SHIT
Warcraft 1 and 2 were made by warhammer fans that desperately wanted to bring their retarded chaos orc fanfic into reality.
The IP deal with GW fell through for reasons history does not tell, but the game's still got made.
Somewhere between warcraft 3 and burning crusade all the warhammer people fucked off to other studios.
Over the later years remaining people that understood the original vision eventually got old, mellowed out and/or retired.
All that's left is a bunch of trannies, women and soys who's first introduction to warcraft was probably secondary sources like WoW or god forbid some tertiary shit like the south park episode or youtube.
It's dead. It's been dead for a long time. It's not coming back.
Ironically Warhammer will meet the same fate sooner rather than later as GW is getting pretty pozzed themselves. It's a miracle it took them so long though.
doesn't help that blizzard was taken over by literal ex government agents that kicked the current rot into overdrive all those years ago
Wow was badass
Blue warchief isn't badass
i hate calarts so fucking much it's unreal.
Idk how whoever made Thundercats Roar thought
>Yea, this looks good! Everyone is gonna love it!
it's not just thundercats roar, it is every fucking cartoon from the 2010s onward to even now. it's fucking ugly, always has been.
HAHAHAHA
Holy shit!!
Gay and ugly.
They can't even act sexy, he-bitch in the back is posing like Gollum waiting for Frodo to fall asleep.
>he-bitch in the back is posing like Gollum waiting for Frodo to fall asleep.
The anime-looking one was kino
Computers Made people soft fact
>let the orcs migrate to stormwind
>Lets be friends with the Murderfucker tribe what could possibly go wrong?
>large, publicly-traded company creates safe globohomo slop
sellouts were always the problem
I mean right could have been funny if it was just a normal orc instead of a chud looking one i think? i be down for a questline about a human nation weeb orc wanting you to collect souvenirs by killing alliance guards and handing him the armor or something.
I miss when games were intelligent, nihilistic and a wicked sense of humor
I think the easiest way of saying it is that WoW went from a metal-inspired aesthetic to Pixar & Furgayry
To this day I have no fucking clue by Samwise stopped being WoW's main artist, but it's been hurting it ever since Cata
Also, Samwise's artstyle didn't magically change or some shit. They just abandoned it straight up.
It looks like garbage due to more than just rigging.
the right one
not to keep harping on this since I quit wow at the end of OG tbc, but that right image is what made me realize the devs were making fun of the playerbase/being intentionally disrespectful to the franchise or at least it drove the point home to me that they are infact bullying the people still playing the game
Said by a person who doesnt understand how rigging works, and as a cost cutting measure they simply reused it.
I always hated these ugly things until they made the on fire model
That thing on the right is the most vile looking """orc""" I have ever seen, even compared to the absolute orclet on the left.
It's progress boys, better learn to like it.
Young men are not going into video game dev anymore, they are becoming streamers and youtubers instead.
Seems like only two kinds of millennials went into vidya dev: Soi gays, and talentless worker drones.
Compare good games made by millennials to games made by Gen X, it's not even a contest.
true, I'm not sure why but our generation is creatively bankrupt
and also the most touchy when it comes to shit like this
We were raised with the 'free range parenting'-mentality, we're allergic to anything boring and need to consume entertainment constantly to distract ourselves from the superficial lives we live.
We're Generation Consumer, we're not here to make games, we're here to play them.
It has never been easier for indie developers, yet a small team of millennials can only produce an allegory for depression where Gen X at least could make a game.
Gen X had to deal with Boomer corporate moneymen too, so why is our generation failing to produce anything worthwhile?
You stupid assholes ignore the gen xers because you are head up ass.
Who the fuck taught millennials the poison boomers spread?
What generation were all the drugged up dope heads that fought wars in the name of drugs, sex, and degenerate shit?
What generation was it that is on it's way to retirement and a piece of the pie that was carved out of their own chest just to sell the countries they grew up in for more 3rd world shitholes to be let in by VOOTing??
WAS IT THE MILLENNIALS OR WAS IT THE FUCKING GENERATION LITEARLLY RIGHT INFRONT OF YOU??
Dumbasses.
It's not really a generational thing, it's more like a (trigger warning): SLIPPERY SLOPE.
Whatever you say, Gen X made better games. No matter how terrible they are, it just makes millennials look even worse by comparison because of our braindead consumer mentality. We live in a world that is 100% derivative, and we cannot create.
>It's not really a generational thing
You're hopeless and stupid. I hope a pack of morons rape you.
My point was that the things you complain about run through all generations, and get progressively worse.
I forgot you need a lot of exposition here, are you American? Hablas Engles?
My wife teaches high school and all of her 160 students would not have been able to leave the 4th grade 25 years ago. Not even a single one. In fact she has orders not to fail them....They are all a bunch of stupid worthless gays.
It's getting worse. Kids nowadays are raised terribly by neglectful parents who just sit them in front of Spiderman x Elsa poop injection videos all day. They end up feral sperglords who can barely form a sentence and have no attention span at all, my cousin had a son and he dual wields a tablet and a phone now at the age of 4.
>feral sperglords
jej'd out loud at that one.
It's true, i feel bad like we should be warning zoomers what happens when you live your life addicted to distractions. Millennials know all too well the price for that, but here we are sitting on our ass bitching about vidya.
It's all going to shit, isn't it?
You have the friends you deserve, learn and teach them how to have genuine dialogue or you will both go without.
How in the hell do I have a genuine dialogue that the cutscenes in the RE4 Remake look like shit compared to the original? How do I have a dialogue when if I talk too long about something even if I am completely neutral and not insulting them, they get mad and boot me from the Discord call?
You are clearly being too insistant, try changing the topic and make your point more clear and concise the next time.
From their perspective, you probably sound aggressively whiny and you ruin their good time, try some introspection autism-kun.
They shouldn't be having a good time with this shit.
I know, but if good taste was common we wouldn't be in this thread.
It's like the vidya equivalent of the white mans burden, you just have to carry that weight and hope it gets better.
Why do retards keep pretending it's millennials that are the heads of departments and CEOs/COOs of companies and not the gay pushing Gen Xer's that followed their shitty parents to a T with the gnomish push and pro selling out for any % of the pie??
so using your own analogy, just switching the generations around - do you really want me to believe that it's baby boomers who's responsible for all the awesome stuff from the '90s and '00s? Fucking really?
Do you REALLY think that's bobby fucking Kottick, who's responsible for all lgbthiv+&£ shit in Activision vidya and not the millenial art, design and diversity&inclusion dept heads?
Boomer ceo only care about making more $$$s, not culture wars etc
WC3 killed the franchise. I mean, not in popularity, but in soul.
Nothing. You just like shitty games.
Rykard, the lord of blasphemy was one of the coolest bosses in any video game, design and fight wise. Even if the story was weaker the other fromsoftware games, elden ring has some impressive character designs for its demigods.
This badass art was from Shadowlands just one year ago. Have they really turned WoW art into that kiddie shit overnight? That was the one thing WoW was always good at even during the worst expansions: the art.
>this badass art was from shadowlands
Maybe it was, but it didn't reflect into the game itself.
Yeah that's the point. The expansion sucked but the art, as always, was great. It wasn't a cartoon Orc soifacing into the camera.
Boomers destroyed the social institutions their children needed to have, and wonder why their children are so lonely. Boomers denied future generations the generational wealth they enjoyed and wonder why their children hate capitalism. Boomers didn't have to compete with immigrants from the rest of the world; they imported those immigrants to decrease their payroll expenses.
Gen Y was the first generation to live with those failures. Failure of education. Failure of marriages. The destruction of the family. The loss of religion.
The great tragedy of millenials is unrestricted internet access. Many young men grew up with porn addiction. The other great treagedy of the millenials is that everything is year zero.
The tragedy of Gen Z is how heavily propagandized they are by the internet and the failing education system.