it looks like a bad 3d rendering of the pokemon, and if you compare even the original illustrations to the home model (which benefits from decent posing totally absent from the in-game model), you can see some meaningful differences between the proportions of the two designs.
same thing with nidoking, blastoise, marshtomp, and all the other models people hate
>it looks like a bad 3d rendering of the pokemon
And yet you can't name a single reason why other than "uhh I don't like how it looks even though it looks precisely how it's supposed to look"
In the case of Politoed specifically, the head is too big (and notably too wide), the eyes are too small, the limbs are lacking some of the form of the original illustrations (and they look softer, rounder, noodlier, and generally less "organic" than in the illustrations).
this last point is maybe the biggest issue models have, and it contributes to the feeling that all these models are fatter than they ought to be. A lot of the sublter or finer contours, the sharper angles, the "musculature," etc. of many Pokemon have been totally smoothed over, and everything feels rounder, softer, and more plasticky as a result.
They did fix charizard's face, but he is the golden child. I think a few more models got edited but I doubt they'd fix politoed or archeops of all pokemon.
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Yeah, the fixes to charizard and especially mewtwo have given me some hope that 3D pokemon aren't totally irredeemable. But as they stand, most of them are pretty fucking shit.
And to some degree, this is understandable, since the models were initially designed for the 3DS. I wouldn't necessarily expect great, high-poly designs in XY. But the idea that these models are somehow future proofed was fucking delusional, and of course they look even worse now that they're off handheld and presented on 65 inch screens.
>the head is too big (and notably too wide), the eyes are too small,
Neither of these things are true.
>the limbs are lacking some of the form of the original illustrations
What then fuck are you talking about? The original illustration's arms look like a tube with three circles slapped at the end. The model looks like a tube with three circles slapped at the end.
>and it contributes to the feeling that all these models are fatter than they ought to be
Yes, that tends to happen in retards who can't comprehend what designs look like in three dimensions instead of permanently stuck at a 3/4 angle.
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>Neither of these things are true.
You can directly compare the model with the illustration and see everything I've said is true, even if we compare the most flattering rending (the Home image) to the official art. >What then fuck are you talking about? The original illustration's arms look like a tube with three circles slapped at the end.
You can see it most distinctly in the legs. Look specifically at the knees and ankles. Though you can even see it to some degree in the elbows. Obviously it's less notable in Politoed in particular since, relative to other pokemon, it is (like you said) kind of noodly to begin with, but you can still see what I'm talking about if you bother to look. >Yes, that tends to happen in retards who can't comprehend what designs look like in three dimensions instead of permanently stuck at a 3/4 angle.
No dude, a good number of models are fatter, rounder, softer, and more formless than their illustrations, and it's not just an issue of an added dimension. Though I think a lot of this comes from the total lack of dynamism in posing. If 95% of the models weren't hunched over in a neutral pose, they'd probably look less fat and schlubby.
Like most pokemon, the 2D sprite has a more dynamic pose and better coloring
He also seems a bit shorter and fatter than he's supposed to be, though it isn't drastic
>This isn't a good thing if the sprite is stuck in one pose.
90% of the time you interact with the models, they are stuck in one pose. These models should absolutely have been posed in a more dynamic way. There's even a project that adjusts the stance of these models, and it results in a much more effective, organic looking Pokemon than the shitty t-posing Pokemon we're currently stuck with
> Because those would be the in battle idles
But why would those be the idles?
Also you don’t know what tposing means.
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>don't know what tposing is
it's hyperbole you fucking moron. you're unironically the most bad faith retard i've seen on this board in months
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>B-BAD FAITH!!!
Why don’t you just say what you actually mean next time so there’s no room for “bad faith”? Is it because you know you don’t have an argument so you have to word it to make it seem worse than it is?
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Because anyone who's used language all their life understands things like subtext, and most people, when speaking to others, assume a basic level of shared understanding.
Most people can recognize sarcasm, exaggeration, and other non-literal rhetorical devices without issue. So when I critically describe something I've outlined as bland and lifeless as though it were T-posing (when it isn't literally T-posing), most people are going to see that and think, "he's invoking T-posing as a metaphor for lazy design, as though the developers forgot to pose their models."
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> Because anyone who's used language all their life understands things like subtext,
You know what anyone who’s used language all their life also understand? Writing clearly they mean instead of hoping everyone instantly agrees with them.
> So when I critically describe something I've outlined as bland and lifeless
You don’t know what “lifeless” means either. Maybe you should take English classes.
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There are multiple people using "t-posing" as a humorous, exaggerated synonym for "bland posing." This isn't some deeply esoteric reference, you hyper-literal autist.
Like, if a friend says they're starving, are you going to say, "you do not appear to have a severe caloric deficit resulting in metabolic dysfunction," or do you recognize they're giving you an exaggerated description of their hunger?
I don't even know why I'm fighting you on this, since unless you're literally autistic, you knew exactly what people meant by their T posing remarks.
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>There are multiple people using "t-posing" as a humorous, exaggerated synonym for "bland posing."
Or it could just be multiple people who don’t know what t-posing is. I’m not going to assume you’re not retarded just because you think you’re not retarded.
> or do you recognize they're giving you an exaggerated description of their hunger?
It’s not exaggerated because it’s literally what “starving” means. You really do need to take those English classes.
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>I’m not going to assume you’re not retarded just because you think you’re not retarded.
Yeah, this is why I called you bad faith. You're going out of your way to assume the worst of people, and practically speaking, this bad faith approach has resulted in you misunderstanding multiple people. >It’s not exaggerated because it’s literally what “starving” means
Hungry and starving are only synonyms when "starving" is used non-literally, as a form of exaggeration.
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> Yeah, this is why I called you bad faith.
Yeah, this is why I called you a retard who can’t write clearly and then starts crying when other people don’t assume his argument for him.
> You're going out of your way to assume the worst of people
I’m not “assuming” anything. I’m reading the words you posted and I’m responding to it. If you didn’t mean those words then don’t type those words. It’s very simple. It’s interesting how not once in my life I’ve ever cried about someone being “bad faith” like Unovafags seem to perpetually do because I actually have arguments and can clearly communicate my thoughts.
> Hungry and starving are only synonyms when "starving" is used non-literally
Please actually look up the definition of “starving” before you continue posting.
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>Yeah, this is why I called you a retard who can’t write clearly and then starts crying when other people don’t assume his argument for him.
It's fine if you want to assume everyone you're talking to is retarded, but again, that's just the definition of "bad faith." >I’m not “assuming” anything. I’m reading the words you posted and I’m responding to it
You're reading what anyone else would take as hyperbole and interpreting it as literal. It's fine (if terminally autistic) if you earnestly believe people should avoid non-literal rhetorical devices, but just bear in mind you're making an argument against exaggeration, sarcasm, metaphor, irony, and countless other rhetorical devices that exist in almost all languages. Again, it's fine if you aren't, but the vast majority of people are perfectly capable of interpreting subtext. >Please actually look up the definition of “starving” before you continue posting.
"suffering severely or dying from hunger."
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They're just references to older sprites man, I don't know what to tell you otherwise. I just said t-pose as hyperbole, but you have to admit several of them aren't far off like chestnaught or tyranitar
I accept realistic poses for 3d models, their abitual stance. But static 2d sprites should have hella dynamic poses.
Also 3d models would give much more with dynamic poses, especially when fighting; they should have a battle pose, if theyre fighting it makes no sense theyre standing there relaxed. Unless the pokemons personality makes sense with it.
Besides, in gen 9 the pokemon have an actual relaxed pose that isnt the same as the battle one.
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> But static 2d sprites should have hella dynamic poses.
Not when they look retarded and unnatural.
>they should have a battle pose,
They already have a battle pose. It’s just not a retarded and forced anime pose like you want it to be.
95% of sprites (including the majority of tyranitar sprites) are in dynamic poses
95% of models are in completely neutral, soulless poses.
don't care about exceptions (like this bland tyranitar sprite), i'm speaking generally about both forms of representation.
95% of sprites aren't in dynamic poses. That's simply not true and absurd to say. Like maybe a 30% is in "dynamic" poses, most of which are shitty ones. A very little minority of 2d sprites I can recall having an actual well made dynamic pose, like platinum's giratina origin or ho oh in silver/lugia in gold
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No, like the sprites from gold, silver, cystal; the two sprites from gen 3, and the sprite from DiaPer. That's six to two (or four to two if you want to discount crystal and emerald's sprites), so, like I said, the vast majority.
Gen 5's kind of a weird situation, since the sprites are meant to be neutral so they can animate well. Most people seem to have the same sorts of issues with gen 5's sprites as they do with 3D models, however.
>90% of the time you interact with the models, they are stuck in one pose
Being able to do animations and move 10% of the time is better than never moving at all
I don't even necessarily disagree. I'm not making any categorical claim that sprites are better than models. I'm just saying the models we're stuck with are shit.
I just dont like that they made them all chubbier. But I mean, its acceptable. The realistic and canonic static stances are completely alright. oh no how dare they make typhlosion realistic, i made this character and it always shouts out flames 24/7 because im mentally retarded! poketards cant understand shit and are illiterate, but wont even leave the basic lore of singular pokemon alone from their autismo.
how dare a fish swim:^(
youre contradicting yourselves? criticizing a bird for not flying and a fish for not standing? Absolute nonsense
Also the real comparison should actually be made with the official artwork and the concept arts. Archeops looks way better elongated and chubbier though i gotta say
Animation wise - Both Archeops and eelectros are WAY better, and I am happy Electross finally has propper scale (it still seems slightly too small in SV compared to GO)
Notice how this post didn’t actually answer my question. Please tell me why Gardevoir would be standing retardedly like that with its elbow randomly out or why Tyranitar would perpetually be staring at the ground like a dumbfuck.
>why would it be standing like that
1) because it looks better and it results in a more aesthetically pleasing model
2) because a good chunk of the time we see these models, they're in combat. Why would they be in a completely neutral dev-testing stance when they're about to attack or be attacked by some other super-powered monster?
Do you think animals fucking T-pose in stressful situations? No, they look like they're ready for combat you fucking retard. This is such an intuitive answer to your braindead question, I genuinely didn't think you actually needed me to spell it out. >but why would they be like that out of combat
sure. then have two poses: one more neutral, one more dynamic. Problem solved
> because it looks better
It doesn’t though. All it does is remind me how of how fucking awkward the Pokemon looks standing like a clown like that.
> because a good chunk of the time we see these models, they're in combat
No, they’re waiting for commands. When they do their attack animations is when they’re in combat.
> Do you think animals fucking T-pose in stressful situations?
None of the Pokemon are tposing. They’re standing naturally like animals do.
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>It doesn’t though
No, it does look better. No one likes these completely neutral dev-testing poses, not even yourself. And even hypothetically if you don't like these particular poses, you have to concede the models we have can be posed much better than they currently are. >No, they’re waiting for commands
Yeah, they're waiting for commands in combat. They'd at least look alert, not fucking bored and listless. >They’re standing naturally like animals do.
Most animals don't stand in completely rigid, neutral, perfectly symmetrical poses. It looks awful and unnatural.
Mega tyranitar is over 8 feet tall, i.e. taller than most pokemon, you mondo gay. Best case scenario is a more active idle pose with a node in the head to make to model focus on its target.
>Mega tyranitar is over 8 feet tall, i.e. taller than most pokemon
And it still wouldn't be staring at the ground like a disabled retard if it's 10+ feet away from the opposing Pokemon.
>Best case scenario is a more active idle pose
It already has an active idle pose. It just isn't standing retardedly like you want it to.
>with a node in the head to make to model focus on its target
Every model in the game already does that. But I guess you wouldn't know that from staring at Showdown gifs all day huh?
2 weeks ago
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They stand like they're patiently waiting to ask teacher for permission to do a tinkle, not battle ready in the slightest. But as established earlier in the thread, you're clearly just a contrarian GF dickrider scrounging for (you)s.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That is how Pokemon battles are supposed to work. The trainers take turns calling out moves while the Pokemon wait for their orders. It's the same way in Stadium.
2 weeks ago
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They don't have to look completely neutral while waiting for commands. >It's the same way in Stadium.
Sure, and in gens 1-4 (and maybe 5), Pokemon are posed as though they're engaged in combat while they wait for commands.
2 weeks ago
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its head is angled down. that doesn't mean it's literally staring at the ground. in zekrom's current model, its head is angled down at about the same degree as this tyranitar's, but the zekrom model is still clearly looking forward, as with this tyranitar.
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"his head is angled down, he's clearly looking at the ground!"
2 weeks ago
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Don't bother, this gay is just arguing to argue. Nothing of substance from dense squared over there.
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If you look closely, you see Tyranitar's iris is positioned toward the top of its visible eye (likewise with Alex in the Clockwork Orange image), suggesting the Tyranitar's line of sight is much higher than your image implies.
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there's more schlera below the iris than above it. the line of sight clearly doesn't follow the line at the top of the eye, as you're suggesting.
2 weeks ago
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Also, I should be clear, I'm not even defending every aspect of the model that was fixed by amateur hobbyists. If your biggest issue is tyranitar's line of sight, it looks like a super easy fix. Just alter the eye decal a bit so it's clearly looking up, and I guess we're left with a perfect battle-ready pose!
2 weeks ago
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pictured, two images of a woman with the same line of sight (she's looking forward in both images because her head is held upright)
>Please tell me why Gardevoir would be standing retardedly like that with its elbow randomly out >Pic rel
nononono how could this happen, anon??
But seriousl, if GameFreak themselves pose Gardevoir in such a way because they believe it is dynamic and an authentic expression of how a Gardevoir would ready itself for battle, then what's your excuse? I sincerely hope for your sake that you're baiting
nta but Pokemon sprites aren't really made to be an idle pose or indication of how it moves, it's just drawn to look elegant because that's what they're trying to evoke. That becomes unnecessary with a 3d model because you can see it in motion.
2 weeks ago
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That may be true, but only on a case-by-case basis. Some translate well, some don't. Let's use Tyranitar as an example of exactly that, as it's seeing a lot of popularity among other Anons here: gen 3 (left) is a bit awkward to translate into 3D- it is definitely an example of a freeze-frame pose for the sake of being dynamic. However, gen 4 (right) is far more believable as a battle stance as it doesn't require Tyranitar to be in an uncomfortable position while being realistic to how one might take a defensive stance (i.e. professional boxers holding their arms up to defend against hits to the face and offers opportunities to counter.) It also doesn't sacrifice personality altogether, Tyranitar looks ready to brawl all the same.
That being said, Gardevoir is the latter; it's not uncomfortable, it can be interpreted as vaguely idle but still ready just like gen 4 Tyranitar, and has the added bonus of being far more expressive than simply facing forward and emotionless. Even gen 3 Gardevoir has this issue, albeit not nearly as bad.
An honorable mention I'd like to bring to light is Colosseum Groudon and also even Mightyena vs 3DS era for both, which is a perfect example that you don't need spritework to be dynamic. They both share a similar pose that has their rear end and/or tails jutted to the side while the front of the body faces forward.
Because then spritefags wouldn't have an argument. They talk as if the fucking Showdown .gifs are how the models actually operate in the game.
>Yeah, this is why I called you a retard who can’t write clearly and then starts crying when other people don’t assume his argument for him.
It's fine if you want to assume everyone you're talking to is retarded, but again, that's just the definition of "bad faith." >I’m not “assuming” anything. I’m reading the words you posted and I’m responding to it
You're reading what anyone else would take as hyperbole and interpreting it as literal. It's fine (if terminally autistic) if you earnestly believe people should avoid non-literal rhetorical devices, but just bear in mind you're making an argument against exaggeration, sarcasm, metaphor, irony, and countless other rhetorical devices that exist in almost all languages. Again, it's fine if you aren't, but the vast majority of people are perfectly capable of interpreting subtext. >Please actually look up the definition of “starving” before you continue posting.
"suffering severely or dying from hunger."
>It's fine if you want to assume everyone you're talking to is retarded, but again, that's just the definition of "bad faith."
m not “assuming” anything. I’m reading the words you posted and I’m responding to it. If you didn’t mean those words then don’t type those words. It’s very simple. It’s interesting how not once in my life I’ve ever cried about someone being “bad faith” like Unovafags seem to perpetually do because I actually have arguments and can clearly communicate my thoughts.
>You're reading what anyone else would take as hyperbole and interpreting it as literal
I have no reason not to believe you don't know what t-posing is if you describe it as t-posing. I don't care what you and your reddit friends think the word counts as.
>"suffering severely or dying from hunger."
Look further than the first definition you found. I know you can do it ESL-kun!
>m not “assuming” anything.
You're assuming people you're speaking to are retarded, that they're invoking a concept they don't understand. If you wanted to be good faith, you'd think, "they probably understand what a t-pose is, so what might account for this unusual use of the term?"
I mean, I struggle even to imagine how someone would know the term "t-pose" without understanding what it refers to. >I’m reading the words you posted and I’m responding to it.
No, you're making an argument against all non-literal speech, which is ridiculous. >Look further than the first definition you found. I know you can do it ESL-kun!
"(informal) feel very hungry."
So it's exactly what I said. "Starving" is only a synonym for "hungry" when it's used non-literally as a form of exaggeration.
>GF: "The Pokemon is waiting to take its turn" >Autists: "Nooo it's just an abstraction they need to be jumping around they're not REALLY taking turns"
>NOOOOOOOO THEY HAVE TO BE STANDING THERE LIKE ABSOLUTE HECKIN CHONKERINOS INSTEAD OF BEING BRACED FOR BATTLE (they're still standing there waiting just not in a manner that looks like they forgot where they were)
all of them looks worse than their artwork.
Nothing, because it's clearly added later. It's the only one with a higher quality model here.
It's the model from sword and shield while the others are from the 3ds games
Yes, because it was added later.
It's the same model tho
they're literally the same models
arguably, feroseed took the biggest hit in this transition
2d > 3d > 2d > 3d
Dull colors and lack of expressiveness
>it's bad because it looks like the pokemon
every time
it looks like a bad 3d rendering of the pokemon, and if you compare even the original illustrations to the home model (which benefits from decent posing totally absent from the in-game model), you can see some meaningful differences between the proportions of the two designs.
same thing with nidoking, blastoise, marshtomp, and all the other models people hate
>it looks like a bad 3d rendering of the pokemon
And yet you can't name a single reason why other than "uhh I don't like how it looks even though it looks precisely how it's supposed to look"
In the case of Politoed specifically, the head is too big (and notably too wide), the eyes are too small, the limbs are lacking some of the form of the original illustrations (and they look softer, rounder, noodlier, and generally less "organic" than in the illustrations).
this last point is maybe the biggest issue models have, and it contributes to the feeling that all these models are fatter than they ought to be. A lot of the sublter or finer contours, the sharper angles, the "musculature," etc. of many Pokemon have been totally smoothed over, and everything feels rounder, softer, and more plasticky as a result.
They did fix charizard's face, but he is the golden child. I think a few more models got edited but I doubt they'd fix politoed or archeops of all pokemon.
Yeah, the fixes to charizard and especially mewtwo have given me some hope that 3D pokemon aren't totally irredeemable. But as they stand, most of them are pretty fucking shit.
And to some degree, this is understandable, since the models were initially designed for the 3DS. I wouldn't necessarily expect great, high-poly designs in XY. But the idea that these models are somehow future proofed was fucking delusional, and of course they look even worse now that they're off handheld and presented on 65 inch screens.
>the head is too big (and notably too wide), the eyes are too small,
Neither of these things are true.
>the limbs are lacking some of the form of the original illustrations
What then fuck are you talking about? The original illustration's arms look like a tube with three circles slapped at the end. The model looks like a tube with three circles slapped at the end.
>and it contributes to the feeling that all these models are fatter than they ought to be
Yes, that tends to happen in retards who can't comprehend what designs look like in three dimensions instead of permanently stuck at a 3/4 angle.
>Neither of these things are true.
You can directly compare the model with the illustration and see everything I've said is true, even if we compare the most flattering rending (the Home image) to the official art.
>What then fuck are you talking about? The original illustration's arms look like a tube with three circles slapped at the end.
You can see it most distinctly in the legs. Look specifically at the knees and ankles. Though you can even see it to some degree in the elbows. Obviously it's less notable in Politoed in particular since, relative to other pokemon, it is (like you said) kind of noodly to begin with, but you can still see what I'm talking about if you bother to look.
>Yes, that tends to happen in retards who can't comprehend what designs look like in three dimensions instead of permanently stuck at a 3/4 angle.
No dude, a good number of models are fatter, rounder, softer, and more formless than their illustrations, and it's not just an issue of an added dimension. Though I think a lot of this comes from the total lack of dynamism in posing. If 95% of the models weren't hunched over in a neutral pose, they'd probably look less fat and schlubby.
fat
like most models, politoed's is fat and ugly with dumpy proportions
Notice how it's always Shitto and Shitnova, the two pariah gens.
Like most pokemon, the 2D sprite has a more dynamic pose and better coloring
He also seems a bit shorter and fatter than he's supposed to be, though it isn't drastic
>the 2D sprite has a more dynamic pose
This isn't a good thing if the sprite is stuck in one pose.
>and better coloring
It doesn't though.
>This isn't a good thing if the sprite is stuck in one pose.
90% of the time you interact with the models, they are stuck in one pose. These models should absolutely have been posed in a more dynamic way. There's even a project that adjusts the stance of these models, and it results in a much more effective, organic looking Pokemon than the shitty t-posing Pokemon we're currently stuck with
see also this
or this
why would it be standing like that
why would it be standing like that
why would it be standing like that
Because those would be the in battle idles? Keep the shitty tpose lites for menus and for non battle idling like camp.
> Because those would be the in battle idles
But why would those be the idles?
Also you don’t know what tposing means.
>don't know what tposing is
it's hyperbole you fucking moron. you're unironically the most bad faith retard i've seen on this board in months
>B-BAD FAITH!!!
Why don’t you just say what you actually mean next time so there’s no room for “bad faith”? Is it because you know you don’t have an argument so you have to word it to make it seem worse than it is?
Because anyone who's used language all their life understands things like subtext, and most people, when speaking to others, assume a basic level of shared understanding.
Most people can recognize sarcasm, exaggeration, and other non-literal rhetorical devices without issue. So when I critically describe something I've outlined as bland and lifeless as though it were T-posing (when it isn't literally T-posing), most people are going to see that and think, "he's invoking T-posing as a metaphor for lazy design, as though the developers forgot to pose their models."
> Because anyone who's used language all their life understands things like subtext,
You know what anyone who’s used language all their life also understand? Writing clearly they mean instead of hoping everyone instantly agrees with them.
> So when I critically describe something I've outlined as bland and lifeless
You don’t know what “lifeless” means either. Maybe you should take English classes.
There are multiple people using "t-posing" as a humorous, exaggerated synonym for "bland posing." This isn't some deeply esoteric reference, you hyper-literal autist.
Like, if a friend says they're starving, are you going to say, "you do not appear to have a severe caloric deficit resulting in metabolic dysfunction," or do you recognize they're giving you an exaggerated description of their hunger?
I don't even know why I'm fighting you on this, since unless you're literally autistic, you knew exactly what people meant by their T posing remarks.
>There are multiple people using "t-posing" as a humorous, exaggerated synonym for "bland posing."
Or it could just be multiple people who don’t know what t-posing is. I’m not going to assume you’re not retarded just because you think you’re not retarded.
> or do you recognize they're giving you an exaggerated description of their hunger?
It’s not exaggerated because it’s literally what “starving” means. You really do need to take those English classes.
>I’m not going to assume you’re not retarded just because you think you’re not retarded.
Yeah, this is why I called you bad faith. You're going out of your way to assume the worst of people, and practically speaking, this bad faith approach has resulted in you misunderstanding multiple people.
>It’s not exaggerated because it’s literally what “starving” means
Hungry and starving are only synonyms when "starving" is used non-literally, as a form of exaggeration.
> Yeah, this is why I called you bad faith.
Yeah, this is why I called you a retard who can’t write clearly and then starts crying when other people don’t assume his argument for him.
> You're going out of your way to assume the worst of people
I’m not “assuming” anything. I’m reading the words you posted and I’m responding to it. If you didn’t mean those words then don’t type those words. It’s very simple. It’s interesting how not once in my life I’ve ever cried about someone being “bad faith” like Unovafags seem to perpetually do because I actually have arguments and can clearly communicate my thoughts.
> Hungry and starving are only synonyms when "starving" is used non-literally
Please actually look up the definition of “starving” before you continue posting.
>Yeah, this is why I called you a retard who can’t write clearly and then starts crying when other people don’t assume his argument for him.
It's fine if you want to assume everyone you're talking to is retarded, but again, that's just the definition of "bad faith."
>I’m not “assuming” anything. I’m reading the words you posted and I’m responding to it
You're reading what anyone else would take as hyperbole and interpreting it as literal. It's fine (if terminally autistic) if you earnestly believe people should avoid non-literal rhetorical devices, but just bear in mind you're making an argument against exaggeration, sarcasm, metaphor, irony, and countless other rhetorical devices that exist in almost all languages. Again, it's fine if you aren't, but the vast majority of people are perfectly capable of interpreting subtext.
>Please actually look up the definition of “starving” before you continue posting.
"suffering severely or dying from hunger."
They're just references to older sprites man, I don't know what to tell you otherwise. I just said t-pose as hyperbole, but you have to admit several of them aren't far off like chestnaught or tyranitar
clearly anon has never seen exerienced a fight before
I agree. Boltund is a GREAT example for this. It should have been posed as he is ready to attack, not just stand
But 2d sprites ACTUALLY tposed even when not having an actual tpose option like 3d models do.
so much for "le dynamic le soul le life le 2d" autismo.
I actually think this is one of the better Tyranitar sprites precisely because it isn’t in some cringe forced pose. The DPPt sprite is the worst.
I accept realistic poses for 3d models, their abitual stance. But static 2d sprites should have hella dynamic poses.
Also 3d models would give much more with dynamic poses, especially when fighting; they should have a battle pose, if theyre fighting it makes no sense theyre standing there relaxed. Unless the pokemons personality makes sense with it.
Besides, in gen 9 the pokemon have an actual relaxed pose that isnt the same as the battle one.
> But static 2d sprites should have hella dynamic poses.
Not when they look retarded and unnatural.
>they should have a battle pose,
They already have a battle pose. It’s just not a retarded and forced anime pose like you want it to be.
95% of sprites (including the majority of tyranitar sprites) are in dynamic poses
95% of models are in completely neutral, soulless poses.
don't care about exceptions (like this bland tyranitar sprite), i'm speaking generally about both forms of representation.
Like this one?
95% of sprites aren't in dynamic poses. That's simply not true and absurd to say. Like maybe a 30% is in "dynamic" poses, most of which are shitty ones. A very little minority of 2d sprites I can recall having an actual well made dynamic pose, like platinum's giratina origin or ho oh in silver/lugia in gold
No, like the sprites from gold, silver, cystal; the two sprites from gen 3, and the sprite from DiaPer. That's six to two (or four to two if you want to discount crystal and emerald's sprites), so, like I said, the vast majority.
Gen 5's kind of a weird situation, since the sprites are meant to be neutral so they can animate well. Most people seem to have the same sorts of issues with gen 5's sprites as they do with 3D models, however.
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>90% of the time you interact with the models, they are stuck in one pose
Being able to do animations and move 10% of the time is better than never moving at all
I don't even necessarily disagree. I'm not making any categorical claim that sprites are better than models. I'm just saying the models we're stuck with are shit.
I just dont like that they made them all chubbier. But I mean, its acceptable. The realistic and canonic static stances are completely alright. oh no how dare they make typhlosion realistic, i made this character and it always shouts out flames 24/7 because im mentally retarded! poketards cant understand shit and are illiterate, but wont even leave the basic lore of singular pokemon alone from their autismo.
how dare a fish swim:^(
youre contradicting yourselves? criticizing a bird for not flying and a fish for not standing? Absolute nonsense
Also the real comparison should actually be made with the official artwork and the concept arts. Archeops looks way better elongated and chubbier though i gotta say
I don’t actually mind Eelektross in 3d. The others are soulless though.
Animation wise - Both Archeops and eelectros are WAY better, and I am happy Electross finally has propper scale (it still seems slightly too small in SV compared to GO)
These are all ok. HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT THEY DID TO COFAGRIGUS PROPORTIONS?
Yeah, they improved it.
pack it in, boys, the retard's just being contrarian
Notice how this post didn’t actually answer my question. Please tell me why Gardevoir would be standing retardedly like that with its elbow randomly out or why Tyranitar would perpetually be staring at the ground like a dumbfuck.
>why would it be standing like that
1) because it looks better and it results in a more aesthetically pleasing model
2) because a good chunk of the time we see these models, they're in combat. Why would they be in a completely neutral dev-testing stance when they're about to attack or be attacked by some other super-powered monster?
Do you think animals fucking T-pose in stressful situations? No, they look like they're ready for combat you fucking retard. This is such an intuitive answer to your braindead question, I genuinely didn't think you actually needed me to spell it out.
>but why would they be like that out of combat
sure. then have two poses: one more neutral, one more dynamic. Problem solved
> because it looks better
It doesn’t though. All it does is remind me how of how fucking awkward the Pokemon looks standing like a clown like that.
> because a good chunk of the time we see these models, they're in combat
No, they’re waiting for commands. When they do their attack animations is when they’re in combat.
> Do you think animals fucking T-pose in stressful situations?
None of the Pokemon are tposing. They’re standing naturally like animals do.
>It doesn’t though
No, it does look better. No one likes these completely neutral dev-testing poses, not even yourself. And even hypothetically if you don't like these particular poses, you have to concede the models we have can be posed much better than they currently are.
>No, they’re waiting for commands
Yeah, they're waiting for commands in combat. They'd at least look alert, not fucking bored and listless.
>They’re standing naturally like animals do.
Most animals don't stand in completely rigid, neutral, perfectly symmetrical poses. It looks awful and unnatural.
Mega tyranitar is over 8 feet tall, i.e. taller than most pokemon, you mondo gay. Best case scenario is a more active idle pose with a node in the head to make to model focus on its target.
>Mega tyranitar is over 8 feet tall, i.e. taller than most pokemon
And it still wouldn't be staring at the ground like a disabled retard if it's 10+ feet away from the opposing Pokemon.
>Best case scenario is a more active idle pose
It already has an active idle pose. It just isn't standing retardedly like you want it to.
>with a node in the head to make to model focus on its target
Every model in the game already does that. But I guess you wouldn't know that from staring at Showdown gifs all day huh?
They stand like they're patiently waiting to ask teacher for permission to do a tinkle, not battle ready in the slightest. But as established earlier in the thread, you're clearly just a contrarian GF dickrider scrounging for (you)s.
That is how Pokemon battles are supposed to work. The trainers take turns calling out moves while the Pokemon wait for their orders. It's the same way in Stadium.
They don't have to look completely neutral while waiting for commands.
>It's the same way in Stadium.
Sure, and in gens 1-4 (and maybe 5), Pokemon are posed as though they're engaged in combat while they wait for commands.
its head is angled down. that doesn't mean it's literally staring at the ground. in zekrom's current model, its head is angled down at about the same degree as this tyranitar's, but the zekrom model is still clearly looking forward, as with this tyranitar.
"his head is angled down, he's clearly looking at the ground!"
Don't bother, this gay is just arguing to argue. Nothing of substance from dense squared over there.
If you look closely, you see Tyranitar's iris is positioned toward the top of its visible eye (likewise with Alex in the Clockwork Orange image), suggesting the Tyranitar's line of sight is much higher than your image implies.
there's more schlera below the iris than above it. the line of sight clearly doesn't follow the line at the top of the eye, as you're suggesting.
Also, I should be clear, I'm not even defending every aspect of the model that was fixed by amateur hobbyists. If your biggest issue is tyranitar's line of sight, it looks like a super easy fix. Just alter the eye decal a bit so it's clearly looking up, and I guess we're left with a perfect battle-ready pose!
pictured, two images of a woman with the same line of sight (she's looking forward in both images because her head is held upright)
>Please tell me why Gardevoir would be standing retardedly like that with its elbow randomly out
>Pic rel
nononono how could this happen, anon??
But seriousl, if GameFreak themselves pose Gardevoir in such a way because they believe it is dynamic and an authentic expression of how a Gardevoir would ready itself for battle, then what's your excuse? I sincerely hope for your sake that you're baiting
nta but Pokemon sprites aren't really made to be an idle pose or indication of how it moves, it's just drawn to look elegant because that's what they're trying to evoke. That becomes unnecessary with a 3d model because you can see it in motion.
That may be true, but only on a case-by-case basis. Some translate well, some don't. Let's use Tyranitar as an example of exactly that, as it's seeing a lot of popularity among other Anons here: gen 3 (left) is a bit awkward to translate into 3D- it is definitely an example of a freeze-frame pose for the sake of being dynamic. However, gen 4 (right) is far more believable as a battle stance as it doesn't require Tyranitar to be in an uncomfortable position while being realistic to how one might take a defensive stance (i.e. professional boxers holding their arms up to defend against hits to the face and offers opportunities to counter.) It also doesn't sacrifice personality altogether, Tyranitar looks ready to brawl all the same.
That being said, Gardevoir is the latter; it's not uncomfortable, it can be interpreted as vaguely idle but still ready just like gen 4 Tyranitar, and has the added bonus of being far more expressive than simply facing forward and emotionless. Even gen 3 Gardevoir has this issue, albeit not nearly as bad.
An honorable mention I'd like to bring to light is Colosseum Groudon and also even Mightyena vs 3DS era for both, which is a perfect example that you don't need spritework to be dynamic. They both share a similar pose that has their rear end and/or tails jutted to the side while the front of the body faces forward.
The model looks better here. The smaller face makes it look bulkier and creepier.
The pose is what's wrong with all of them. It feels lifeless compared to the sprite.
Why are they standing like that?
3D models were a mistake
Holy shit, XY really was a mistake. Thank god GF is finally fixing it by removing all the shitty gen 6 models from their games
Why are we judging animated 3D models through screenshots of their idle pose instead of looking at all the animations they use when they battle?
Because then spritefags wouldn't have an argument. They talk as if the fucking Showdown .gifs are how the models actually operate in the game.
>It's fine if you want to assume everyone you're talking to is retarded, but again, that's just the definition of "bad faith."
m not “assuming” anything. I’m reading the words you posted and I’m responding to it. If you didn’t mean those words then don’t type those words. It’s very simple. It’s interesting how not once in my life I’ve ever cried about someone being “bad faith” like Unovafags seem to perpetually do because I actually have arguments and can clearly communicate my thoughts.
>You're reading what anyone else would take as hyperbole and interpreting it as literal
I have no reason not to believe you don't know what t-posing is if you describe it as t-posing. I don't care what you and your reddit friends think the word counts as.
>"suffering severely or dying from hunger."
Look further than the first definition you found. I know you can do it ESL-kun!
>m not “assuming” anything.
You're assuming people you're speaking to are retarded, that they're invoking a concept they don't understand. If you wanted to be good faith, you'd think, "they probably understand what a t-pose is, so what might account for this unusual use of the term?"
I mean, I struggle even to imagine how someone would know the term "t-pose" without understanding what it refers to.
>I’m reading the words you posted and I’m responding to it.
No, you're making an argument against all non-literal speech, which is ridiculous.
>Look further than the first definition you found. I know you can do it ESL-kun!
"(informal) feel very hungry."
So it's exactly what I said. "Starving" is only a synonym for "hungry" when it's used non-literally as a form of exaggeration.
>nearly 5(fucking five) years
>still take the same bait
>GF: "The Pokemon is waiting to take its turn"
>Autists: "Nooo it's just an abstraction they need to be jumping around they're not REALLY taking turns"
Always makes me lol
>NOOOOOOOO THEY HAVE TO BE STANDING THERE LIKE ABSOLUTE HECKIN CHONKERINOS INSTEAD OF BEING BRACED FOR BATTLE (they're still standing there waiting just not in a manner that looks like they forgot where they were)
the stick bug bro from gen 9 is COMPLETELY RUINED by his stupid fucking pose