what is the lore behind these exactly? why aren't they massed produced?

what is the lore behind these exactly? why aren't they massed produced? It feels like in some games you're supposed to feel special because you were given a Pokedex, but it really isn't all that high-tech piece of technology in the grand scheme of things.

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the original games Oak acts like they're something he made himself after years of research. Even in GSC, Elm doesn't give you one, but Oak does in a chance encounter with him. It's implied that it's a unique technology that only a select few have, and you are a key part of collecting the info it needs.

    From RS onward however, every professor gives you one, and it's not really a big deal, just a simple tool to keep track of what you've seen and caught.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The same thing happened with starter Pokemon. In the context of the original games, Bulbasaur, Charmander, and Squirtle just happened to be the last three Pokemon Oak had left. Then every region gives out a specific set of Grass/Fire/Water starters. Then the anime adds onto that by showing that the starters Professors give away are bred at special facilities and that as soon as one is given away, the facility sends another one.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It shows you they got creatively bankrupt pretty early, and how much everything os depended on a paint by the colors method copying what was meant to be unique in Gen 1.
        Originally they planned Oak to be the final boss of red and blue, but didn't have enough time memory to fully put him in. With just a tinier different circumstance, in another timeline we would be expecting to battle our professors at the end of every new game.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >but didn't have enough time memory to fully put him in
          That's not true, his trainer data is still there in the final game.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Fully, and I meant to add or between time and memory. He still isn't in the main game and that's still something that could've become part of the pokemon formula

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >in another timeline we would be expecting to battle our professors at the end of every new game.
          so basically gen 7 would be the first to add a proper champion, ironic

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >With just a tinier different circumstance, in another timeline we would be expecting to battle our professors at the end of every new game.
          You're exaggerating. It's like expecting every rival to be the champion.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        In GSC starters are also treated as pretty special and player originally just borrows one to safely go to Mr.Pokemon's home. Only after Professor Oak giving player Pokedex, which according to Elm is pretty damn big deal because Oak is authority in seeing potential in trainers, player gets to keep starter permamently as their first Pokemon.

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Originally it was a new experimental invention and culmination of Oak's work and research, and he gave it to you to test it out in the wild which is why you're out on an adventure in the first place
    Gen 3 really is the moment when Pokemon got a much more standardized cookie cutter formula that they started repeating every gen, along with influence from the anime. But on the other hand, I can't imagine being a trainer without having one of your own.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of early gen 1 stuff got heavily retconned out. Gen 1 "trainers" didn't have any need for a Pokedex because they mostly just had two Pokemon and battled their neighbours for fun. The league was literally established just as the games started, which is why you see an email about it on Oak's computer.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >along with influence from the anime.
      the anime trivialized the pokedex as a whole, since you can use as an ID because they are registered under your name

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Piece of tech is exclusive at first
    >Then become widespread
    >Now it's done by a phone app

    It's one of the few areas where pokemon lined up perfectly to the real world

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the anime and manga Officer Jenny seems to recognize them as a common device and uses it when she needs to ID Ash. This implies that many trainers carry Pokédex and use them as identification devices

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like to think they collect data from pokemon seen and catch, the info it gives you isn't unique or anything it is just there to gamify a bit it's usage.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why aren't they massed produced?
    They are
    Only Specialtards think they aren't

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like to think Red and Blue got to beta test them early since they are both good friends of Prof Oak, and by the time Ash and the others start their journey 1.0 was released publicly and is essentially a requirement for all new trainers

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Pokedex is on Handy 505 OS by the time the player gets it.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >but it really isn't all that high-tech piece of technology in the grand scheme of things
    It still manages to scan information from the rarest and most mysterious pokemon, that's something to write home about. The first gen pokedex also kinda resembles a PDA which was impressive for the late 90s
    The last time I felt impressed was gen 4's since it felt like my own DS was a pokedex

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why aren't they massed produced?
    they are mass produced. there are plenty of npcs who mention having pokedexes.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      But do they do that in Gen 1

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is inside the G.S Ball?
    No it’s not Celebi.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      dick in a ball

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Shiny forms of the 3 original pokemon that got reincarnated into Raikou, Entei, and Suicune

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    *ruins the concept forever*

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick is that thing?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're new pokedex for several gens, and pokemons forced attempt to copy yokai watch

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >still has an abysmal movepoll

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's funny to me how the manga is still doing the "Pokedex Holders are special" thing when the Pokedex is nothing but a phone app now.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's so funny how the Adventures manga specifically got ULTRA cucked on this aspect because the whole OMG LE POKEDEX HOLDERS?!?! :OOOO was a huge distinction for the main cast, but by gen 8 and *especially* 9, there's literally no way around it being commonplace now.

        *ruins the concept forever*

        You're new pokedex for several gens, and pokemons forced attempt to copy yokai watch

        In gen7, the Rotomdex was a one-only thing, but I hate how gen8/9 soullessly copied it without thinking of how awful mass-producing Rotom [machine] damages the very world building of Pokemon. A pokemon is now a literal tool, that after gen7 doesn't even speak and exists for convenience only.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Gen 8 rotomdexes I think are just there out of not wanting to design a new Pokedex
          Smartphones really cucked a lot of franchises that had characters wielding special little devices

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >doesn't have a pokedex battle form
      >doesn't have a drone battle form
      >can canonically possess both

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What happened to all that hissui dex info, did Oak just fricking forget it and reinvent the wheel

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      i mean the inner workings of the pokedex has always been strange
      who is inputting the info? does the device do it itself? you'd think by now some of this info is just like, common knowledge.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >who is inputting the info? does the device do it itself?
        I think it can just scan and analyze a pokemon right in front of it. How it gets all that folklore and stuff though I don't know

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I feel its an abstraction of the process of learning. Its not that Red catches a weedle and the dex has every info, but Red observes it, gathers folklore info and eventually writes it down as the entry. But its not something you can really replicate well in games.
        PLA just gamifies that so you get the entry after doing some shit after.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oak was never born in the Hisuiverse.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Arceus fricked up the timeline, AGAIN!!!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's possible some or all of the notes were lost, there is a time traveler involved. The Hisui dex was recorded on paper, the Pokedex could be taking more involved measurements and for digitizing the information.

      >doesn't have a pokedex battle form
      >doesn't have a drone battle form
      >can canonically possess both

      Here's hoping Scarlet and Violet letting you use your motorcycle in battle will pave the way for a battle Rotom-dex.

      Of course, that's wishful thinking, Gamefreak won't even remember that feature exists next gen.

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    How does Cynthia saying she had one as a kid fit into the timeline?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cynthia is 18 confirmed

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's so much retconning and pokemon still evolving into what it became today that it just not worth taking 100% seriously

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nintendo and the others stopped caring about lore consistency when they realized Pokemon would be golden goose that prints infinite money so long as you add new content every year
        So day one

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nintendo never cared about consistency, it's why Mario is like a cartoon character and people argued about a Zelda timeline for decades
          I don't think Japan cares much about canon on general but that's just my observation. Hell, using "canon" for fiction wasn't a thing before Star Wars

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't think Japan cares much about canon on general but that's just my observation
            Yeah, they really don't. Most of the things people here complain about are from a lack of understanding of the mentality behind these games. And pokemon is even very consistent compared to other japanese franchises, its just that most people here just consume pokemon.

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Interestingly, DPPt's pokedex offers the most information of all models.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      all of this information, and Prof. Furfux continues to lobby for 'veganal depth and tightness' to his region's Pokedex.
      what an odd lad.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The HGSS, BW, and B2W2 Pokedexes are the only models to have more than one design.
    These are determined by the player's sex.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      the HGSS Pokedex is my second favorite model, but I love how sleek the Unovan model is.
      It also has my favorite UI, which is evocative of the original version (on purpose) while scrolling through entries.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    SEX SEX DID SOMEBODY SAY SEX SEXO WITH POKEDEX SEX

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only thing I'm settling for is that Professor Oak pioneered it and it eventually became a more commercial product seen as essential in later gen
    I kinda wonder how it actually scans and gathers info

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are Prof. Anon of the Kanto Region
      Imagine dusting off the first pokedex from the Hisui region.
      You read the entry for Voltorb, and then look at your Voltorb. The entry doesn't seem right.
      A colleague in Galar sends you their findings on Ponyta so that you compare.
      Again... No mention of flames?
      Wtf?
      As a scientist, it appears that Pokemon can seemingly change drastically for no good reason. Science isn't just collecting and hoarding data, it's also constantly rechecking and remeasuring said data.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I also imagine pokemon people to have borderline been cavemen so that's shy they barely know what's going on two fricking regions over

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's clearly not the case. They know about other regions. They have access to the internet. Traveling between regions is easy.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't give a shit though, I have no respect for canon on this franchise after gen 2

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I never really got how in Gen 1 there's a lot of talk in the in-game dialogue about it having a lot of "pages" etc., implying it looks more like a physical book (and even the overworld sprite looks like a book), but then literally every depiction of it I'm aware of, like anime/manga/official game art shows it looking like some high-tech device where you're obviously seeing all the info on a screen.

    I guess they could've meant pages in the same sense as, like, a web page or Wikipedia page etc., but I wonder if it's something that was an idea during development that just never really got depicted in the art. I played Gen 1 in Japanese recently and I think that was in there too, so not just a weird translation thing.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Internet also has web pages (another word for "website") and it's not a book, duderino

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I said that. It's definitely possible.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I never really got how in Gen 1 there's a lot of talk in the in-game dialogue about it having a lot of "pages" etc., implying it looks more like a physical book (and even the overworld sprite looks like a book)
      Given the nature of gen 1's development it's entirely possible that at one point the Pokedex was indeed meant to be a physical encyclopedia with paper pages and the book sprites you see in-game are a leftover from that time and were simply never updated.

      In GSC starters are also treated as pretty special and player originally just borrows one to safely go to Mr.Pokemon's home. Only after Professor Oak giving player Pokedex, which according to Elm is pretty damn big deal because Oak is authority in seeing potential in trainers, player gets to keep starter permamently as their first Pokemon.

      Prof. Elm is a limp-wristed cuck who couldn't stop an 11-year old from breaking into his house and stealing his shit before waltzing off. At least in Special Silver sneaks in on some heist shit

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why aren't they massed produced?
    I thought it was listed somewhere that they are extremely expensive and only top pokemon researchers have them. They are so expensive and valuable, several villainous teams wanted to steal them. But once RotomPhone entered the market, it is no longer the case.

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Personally, I am really interested in the laptop of that kid with the Scizor in Johto. It could detect and analyze how strong a move or the pokemon infront of its camera is.
    Sounds busted and very useful and reliable way to train your pokemon.

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    For me it's the Hoen dex

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