nu/misc/ would be reeing over how this is woke and an allegory for racism
also elle is a woman and superior to you, so yeah
remember when games weren't political, because i sure as shit don't
>and a surprising number of actual Japanese who only speak Japanese can be very not-knowledgeable about them
There's nothing surprising about that because they were born into the language, surrounded by it since birth, listening to it constantly, and having so much to tie the words to. If you're learning Japanese as a second language, none of that is true for you. >地下人
...That's not even the word in the screenshot. 地上 is ちじょう and means above ground. I can only presume 地上人 is ちじょうじん. Just like 日本人 or アメリカ人 or 宇宙人. I haven't played this game, but seems apparent they're referring to people on the surface. What this anon [...] said seems a far, far more likely.
with
>and a surprising number of actual Japanese who only speak Japanese can be very not-knowledgeable about them
There's nothing surprising about that because they were born into the language, surrounded by it since birth, listening to it constantly, and having so much to tie the words to. If you're learning Japanese as a second language, none of that is true for you. >地下人
...That's not even the word in the screenshot. 地上 is ちじょう and means above ground. I can only presume 地上人 is ちじょうじん. Just like 日本人 or アメリカ人 or 宇宙人. I haven't played this game, but seems apparent they're referring to people on the surface. What this anon [...] said seems a far, far more likely.
I bet thats just the -Thing- Xenogears does to emphasize certain words or world specific terms. She is probably saying -Lambs- there. I guess the proper translation would've been <Lambs>.
I never really understood this whole keyword highlighting thing some games does. Is it just for skippers who skim the text?
1 year ago
Anonymous
For locations it was generally to draw your focus so you knew you better pay attention to this or youll get lost. For Xenogears though its more to emphasize the term has some kind of in-universe meaning different from its typical meaning
1 year ago
Anonymous
For locations it was generally to draw your focus so you knew you better pay attention to this or youll get lost. For Xenogears though its more to emphasize the term has some kind of in-universe meaning different from its typical meaning
Japs don't have capital letters, I think it makes more sense that they denote proper nouns with punctuation/highlighting in a fantasy/sci-fi setting that has a lot of non-Japanese terms.
Gotta give some respect for trying to play Xenogears in Japanese.
The game was already dense with so many weird words in english, I can't imagine trying to parse Hebrew that has been turned into katakana.
I used this deck mega dot nz/file/IAVVlBab#qQazRubQ3VZ_WjjLS4CclxYQF-6QGRtnmwd_zGBZpIo).
You don't need to study kanji by themselves, but knowing the radicals makes it way easier to guess their meaning and see them as more than random squiggles. I did make my own vocab deck, (which I recommend over doing core2k,6k,10k) at most you should put the meaning of the kanji as a note on the card of the first word you see it in. You can even make up mnemonics for the kanji based off the radicals (分かる is "understand", 分 is the knife radical 刀 cutting something in two, the metaphor being that to understand something you break it down into simpler parts)
>tfw got the ultimate wanikani deck >get suspicious when the radicals are called fricking triceratops or death star etc >turns out they just literally made up their own meanings for the radicals
Wow that sounds like shit. I'm glad you're the first one that I heard about this from, ignorance is more of a blessing than I realized.
1 year ago
Anonymous
To be fair, a lot of the times when the radical is an entire kanji by itself they just give the real meaning and leave it at that. It's still baffling they chose to go this route for the rest.
It's late but that guy is trolling you. Learning radicals to learn Japanese is like learning old german/latin/greek to learn a european language, useless for 99.9% of people who just want to read and talk to others.
>Learn the radicals >didn't fall for the kanji in isolation meme
But isn't that the same thing? You are just learning small individual parts instead of words as a whole.
>and a surprising number of actual Japanese who only speak Japanese can be very not-knowledgeable about them
There's nothing surprising about that because they were born into the language, surrounded by it since birth, listening to it constantly, and having so much to tie the words to. If you're learning Japanese as a second language, none of that is true for you. >地下人
...That's not even the word in the screenshot. 地上 is ちじょう and means above ground. I can only presume 地上人 is ちじょうじん. Just like 日本人 or アメリカ人 or 宇宙人. I haven't played this game, but seems apparent they're referring to people on the surface. What this anon
I bet thats just the -Thing- Xenogears does to emphasize certain words or world specific terms. She is probably saying -Lambs- there. I guess the proper translation would've been <Lambs>.
said seems a far, far more likely.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>dekinai detected.
"Lambs" is what they call surface people. Japanese media often uses furigana not to show the reading of kanji, but to show an alternate meaning or nuance.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Interesting. Are there any more specific terms to refer to a furigana that just explains the reading vs the alternate/nuanced meaning?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't think there's a name for that specific usage but I found some short passages talking about the usage >https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%AB%E3%83%93
Third bullet point under ルビが必要となる場合 >https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E6%8C%AF%E3%82%8A%E4%BB%AE%E5%90%8D
Third paragraph under 概要
1 year ago
Anonymous
Interesting. Are there any more specific terms to refer to a furigana that just explains the reading vs the alternate/nuanced meaning?
I bet thats just the -Thing- Xenogears does to emphasize certain words or world specific terms. She is probably saying -Lambs- there. I guess the proper translation would've been <Lambs>.
It's written as Land People (as opposed to Sky People) but read as "Lambs", the derogatory term for Land People but it ties into a later revelation that this is technically true.
So if the game is voiced, Elly would say "Lambs" here but subtitle would be Land People.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Just like every chunni anime that they have abilities with edgy name but read as another thing >約束された勝利の剣 (Excalibur)
It's both cool and moronic
Just use wanikani and bunpro. They're not free but make it easy as frick to learn these things.
Wanikani will teach you radicals, then kanji using those radicals, and then words using those kanji and will give you example sentences using those words too (usually multiple).
Bunpro is mostly for grammar, but it has plenty of example sentences that use kanji and vocab you can pair up with another learning source (for example, if you've just read chapter 3 of genki, you can let it know this and it will use stuff you learned in this lesson). It recently also added reading/listening practice.
Outside of this, you should really be reading/listening to a shit load of stuff, which can initially be a pain in the ass because you wont understand much and the stuff you can understand will not be fun to read/listen to anyway.
Yeah, but those websites are just easier to use. They handle everything and all I have to do is show up.
As I also said, these websites also include massive amounts of example sentences (written and spoken) for the stuff you've learned which I am pretty sure most anki decks do not.
I'm more than willing to pay like $10 a month just for this ease of use.
1 year ago
Anonymous
These programs aren't designed to teach you Japanese. They're designed to milk money off you, by presenting a very basic course as slowly as possible so morons don't get overwhelmed and stop paying.
I would argue that it's near impossible to learn a language with paid tools. You can learn a language by paying for private tuition, but the one size fits all applications don't work.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Bunpro lets you go as fast, or slow as you want. It has literally no limit on how many lessons a day you can take. You could literally do every single lesson it has in a single day (well if you had the time, it's got almost 1000 lessons).
Wanikani does restrict you, but that is because it's trying to reinforce what you've learned. It wont teach you vocab until you've learned kanji used in it and so on. You can however learn everything on Wanikani within a year. Learning over 2000 kanji and 6000 vocab in a year is pretty good (that's almost 6 kanji and 16 vocab a day). Provided in Japan they do this in like 9 years,
Both of them also sell life time subscriptions if you think you will need it for that long.
Obviously they wont be as good as an actual teacher, they're a tool designed to keep you motivated to learn which is why something like Bunpro can sync it's progress with things like textbooks that private tutor will be using anyway.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Wanikani also lets you look at any kanji and vocab it has. It will show you what radicals are used in it, the various readings for the kanji, similar kanji to avoid confusion and vocab it is used in.
Looking up vocab will show you how it is pronounced (including with sound of native japanese speakers pronouncing it), what kanji are used in it, and give a few example sentences of it being used.
I'm pretty sure anyone can do this regardless of whether they have paid or not and at any point in time. If Wanikani also had recordings for all of it's example sentences it would be amazing.
>Learn the radicals >didn't fall for the kanji in isolation meme
But isn't that the same thing? You are just learning small individual parts instead of words as a whole.
Yeah, I recommended Xenogears to a zoomer friend of mine. He either never played it or never got far enough to mention it to me. I can't even play it with my kids because it's 80 hours long and I'd lose my voice from reading it out loud to make it more interesting.
im playing dq8 in japanese and this frog homosexual king keeps using archaic forms of kanji and other obscure patterns. isnt this supposed to be a kids game?
Was Xenogears even able to put furigana above words? Maybe a font limitation. Different reading furigana feels like cheating to me though in dialogue, like if she only said 'Lambs' then that's all Fei heard, but we, the readers, get to magically know that it means surface dwellers. iirc the English just makes her say it all doesn't it, she says 'Surface Dwelling <Lambs>' or something?
The assumption in these cases is that the word being said is understood in-world. So the character hears "Lambs", but he doesn't think of sheep, he thinks of surface dwellers. It's a way to introduce in-setting vocab without an awkward fish out of water setting.
Just recently started watching Cure Dolly's videos on grammar and improved quite a bit. Their voice can be grating and I have to rewatch them a few times, but it's pretty useful. Thought to leave a comment asking a question only to find out that they fricking died. All this hidden knowledge ignored and hidden with the person helming it dead. Goddammit. Where the frick am I supposed to ask questions now? /jp/ is full of freaks
>read op >oke ninmu chu? I guess >ehh i dont know that one >I guess that one is earthling >i guess thats eliminate but frick i cant pronounce it >merei!
she's teaching you html
We were commanded to kill earthlings contacted in this mission
nu/misc/ would be reeing over how this is woke and an allegory for racism
also elle is a woman and superior to you, so yeah
remember when games weren't political, because i sure as shit don't
shut the frick up, dude
you are no better for whining about this stupid shit when no one is talking about it.
>ree for me and none for thee
That’s literally the argument you’re making and yet you pretend it’s your opponent’s. Is there any amount of self awareness in you?
Obsessed
Get your culture war trash out of a kanji thread
I am a Nazi and ultimate XG fan. Yes, they make moronic allusions to israeli narratives around WW2, just like all media of the last 80 years.
No, because this is [Thing] by Japan.
have a nice day for bringing up /misc/ anyway.
rent free
Elly is cute so that makes it okay.
I love Elly so much !
OP...
look next to your shift key...
?
For the morons besides OP, they are there to encapsulate the furigana.
Sometimes I wonder why they couldn't use「This Shit」instead, but then I realize that text encoding is a b***h.
Which word is it the furigana for?
地下人
Meant to respond to
with
>dekinai detected.
I bet thats just the -Thing- Xenogears does to emphasize certain words or world specific terms. She is probably saying -Lambs- there. I guess the proper translation would've been <Lambs>.
This
I haven't really seen this done in any other game
It's a common thing in manga, like with the「Brackets」often seen in things like Jojo to emphasize a 「Keyword」
tons of jap games do it
JRPGs were needlessly highlighting words before XG.
Usually places to go next rather than plot terms though
Some games had different colors depending on the term!
I never really understood this whole keyword highlighting thing some games does. Is it just for skippers who skim the text?
For locations it was generally to draw your focus so you knew you better pay attention to this or youll get lost. For Xenogears though its more to emphasize the term has some kind of in-universe meaning different from its typical meaning
Japs don't have capital letters, I think it makes more sense that they denote proper nouns with punctuation/highlighting in a fantasy/sci-fi setting that has a lot of non-Japanese terms.
never thought about it like that, insightful post
these are the symbols for brackets you fricking moron
Gotta give some respect for trying to play Xenogears in Japanese.
The game was already dense with so many weird words in english, I can't imagine trying to parse Hebrew that has been turned into katakana.
謎の少女
「任務中に接触した地上人<ラムズ>は誰であれ消去せよと命令されているのよ。
>learning kanji thru anki
>can't remember half of it the next day or the ones i learnt a week ago
Learn the radicals. Also I seriously hope you didn't fall for the kanji in isolation meme.
Lol frick
whats the best way to learn the radicals
I used this deck mega dot nz/file/IAVVlBab#qQazRubQ3VZ_WjjLS4CclxYQF-6QGRtnmwd_zGBZpIo).
You don't need to study kanji by themselves, but knowing the radicals makes it way easier to guess their meaning and see them as more than random squiggles. I did make my own vocab deck, (which I recommend over doing core2k,6k,10k) at most you should put the meaning of the kanji as a note on the card of the first word you see it in. You can even make up mnemonics for the kanji based off the radicals (分かる is "understand", 分 is the knife radical 刀 cutting something in two, the metaphor being that to understand something you break it down into simpler parts)
>tfw got the ultimate wanikani deck
>get suspicious when the radicals are called fricking triceratops or death star etc
>turns out they just literally made up their own meanings for the radicals
Wow that sounds like shit. I'm glad you're the first one that I heard about this from, ignorance is more of a blessing than I realized.
To be fair, a lot of the times when the radical is an entire kanji by itself they just give the real meaning and leave it at that. It's still baffling they chose to go this route for the rest.
It's late but that guy is trolling you. Learning radicals to learn Japanese is like learning old german/latin/greek to learn a european language, useless for 99.9% of people who just want to read and talk to others.
There are 214 radicals, and a surprising number of actual Japanese who only speak Japanese can be very not-knowledgeable about them
>and a surprising number of actual Japanese who only speak Japanese can be very not-knowledgeable about them
There's nothing surprising about that because they were born into the language, surrounded by it since birth, listening to it constantly, and having so much to tie the words to. If you're learning Japanese as a second language, none of that is true for you.
>地下人
...That's not even the word in the screenshot. 地上 is ちじょう and means above ground. I can only presume 地上人 is ちじょうじん. Just like 日本人 or アメリカ人 or 宇宙人. I haven't played this game, but seems apparent they're referring to people on the surface. What this anon
said seems a far, far more likely.
"Lambs" is what they call surface people. Japanese media often uses furigana not to show the reading of kanji, but to show an alternate meaning or nuance.
Interesting. Are there any more specific terms to refer to a furigana that just explains the reading vs the alternate/nuanced meaning?
I don't think there's a name for that specific usage but I found some short passages talking about the usage
>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%AB%E3%83%93
Third bullet point under ルビが必要となる場合
>https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E6%8C%AF%E3%82%8A%E4%BB%AE%E5%90%8D
Third paragraph under 概要
It's written as Land People (as opposed to Sky People) but read as "Lambs", the derogatory term for Land People but it ties into a later revelation that this is technically true.
So if the game is voiced, Elly would say "Lambs" here but subtitle would be Land People.
Just like every chunni anime that they have abilities with edgy name but read as another thing
>約束された勝利の剣 (Excalibur)
It's both cool and moronic
stop fricking around with kanji and learn actual words
Just use wanikani and bunpro. They're not free but make it easy as frick to learn these things.
Wanikani will teach you radicals, then kanji using those radicals, and then words using those kanji and will give you example sentences using those words too (usually multiple).
Bunpro is mostly for grammar, but it has plenty of example sentences that use kanji and vocab you can pair up with another learning source (for example, if you've just read chapter 3 of genki, you can let it know this and it will use stuff you learned in this lesson). It recently also added reading/listening practice.
Outside of this, you should really be reading/listening to a shit load of stuff, which can initially be a pain in the ass because you wont understand much and the stuff you can understand will not be fun to read/listen to anyway.
>They're not free
The anki decks are.
>thinking you're going to learn grammar from a fricking Anki deck
it's so surface-tier, you better supplement it with something or you'll be DOA
Yeah, but those websites are just easier to use. They handle everything and all I have to do is show up.
As I also said, these websites also include massive amounts of example sentences (written and spoken) for the stuff you've learned which I am pretty sure most anki decks do not.
I'm more than willing to pay like $10 a month just for this ease of use.
These programs aren't designed to teach you Japanese. They're designed to milk money off you, by presenting a very basic course as slowly as possible so morons don't get overwhelmed and stop paying.
I would argue that it's near impossible to learn a language with paid tools. You can learn a language by paying for private tuition, but the one size fits all applications don't work.
Bunpro lets you go as fast, or slow as you want. It has literally no limit on how many lessons a day you can take. You could literally do every single lesson it has in a single day (well if you had the time, it's got almost 1000 lessons).
Wanikani does restrict you, but that is because it's trying to reinforce what you've learned. It wont teach you vocab until you've learned kanji used in it and so on. You can however learn everything on Wanikani within a year. Learning over 2000 kanji and 6000 vocab in a year is pretty good (that's almost 6 kanji and 16 vocab a day). Provided in Japan they do this in like 9 years,
Both of them also sell life time subscriptions if you think you will need it for that long.
Obviously they wont be as good as an actual teacher, they're a tool designed to keep you motivated to learn which is why something like Bunpro can sync it's progress with things like textbooks that private tutor will be using anyway.
Wanikani also lets you look at any kanji and vocab it has. It will show you what radicals are used in it, the various readings for the kanji, similar kanji to avoid confusion and vocab it is used in.
Looking up vocab will show you how it is pronounced (including with sound of native japanese speakers pronouncing it), what kanji are used in it, and give a few example sentences of it being used.
I'm pretty sure anyone can do this regardless of whether they have paid or not and at any point in time. If Wanikani also had recordings for all of it's example sentences it would be amazing.
>Learn the radicals
>didn't fall for the kanji in isolation meme
But isn't that the same thing? You are just learning small individual parts instead of words as a whole.
always make laugh how japanese pronounce krelian as karelian
https://xenosaga.fandom.com/wiki/Karellen
Is this bait or did you not know?
>read and understood this
bros... I'm gonna make it...
you can do it, anon!
Now how long did it take you to read it?
Dainari shounari
RUN THROUGH THE COLD OF THE NIGHT
Soon Xenogears will be forgotten. Zoomers will never play it, it will exist only in memory.
if it makes you feel better, i got a vita partly to play xenogears and persona 1 on the go
Yeah, I recommended Xenogears to a zoomer friend of mine. He either never played it or never got far enough to mention it to me. I can't even play it with my kids because it's 80 hours long and I'd lose my voice from reading it out loud to make it more interesting.
I played it
its like you want zoomers to be moronic with how you make stuff up about us
homie you cannot be this moronic
I am okay with this. I dont wanna see Xenogears being ruined by the moronic trannies working in game development these days.
Weltall>mk2>dogshit>>>>>>xeno
OG kungfubot is the best
In China they say chinky chang wang charlie chang chika chaka chooka chong.
lmfao
Best thread on Ganker as of now.
im playing dq8 in japanese and this frog homosexual king keeps using archaic forms of kanji and other obscure patterns. isnt this supposed to be a kids game?
why can't i have a real life elly it's not fair
emeralds gear was so messed up
What do you mean? I haven't played in a long time but I don't particularly recall her gear being good.
Would you accept 10,000 years of suffering just to have a elly-gf?
>I'll kill you if you try to rape me
Just rape her before she can kill you. Easy.
the one on the left is ku
the other one is uk
Was Xenogears even able to put furigana above words? Maybe a font limitation. Different reading furigana feels like cheating to me though in dialogue, like if she only said 'Lambs' then that's all Fei heard, but we, the readers, get to magically know that it means surface dwellers. iirc the English just makes her say it all doesn't it, she says 'Surface Dwelling <Lambs>' or something?
The assumption in these cases is that the word being said is understood in-world. So the character hears "Lambs", but he doesn't think of sheep, he thinks of surface dwellers. It's a way to introduce in-setting vocab without an awkward fish out of water setting.
Anon, those are angle brackets.
>you learned the wrong runes
中文老兄,我感觉不太对劲。。。
What are you playing, anons?
I've been playing a bit of germs recently, weird game.
Just recently started watching Cure Dolly's videos on grammar and improved quite a bit. Their voice can be grating and I have to rewatch them a few times, but it's pretty useful. Thought to leave a comment asking a question only to find out that they fricking died. All this hidden knowledge ignored and hidden with the person helming it dead. Goddammit. Where the frick am I supposed to ask questions now? /jp/ is full of freaks
>Their
Pretty sure they're an old lady using a voice changer, I don't give a shit
>read op
>oke ninmu chu? I guess
>ehh i dont know that one
>I guess that one is earthling
>i guess thats eliminate but frick i cant pronounce it
>merei!
I'm gmi
God, Elly is sex.