What killed the racing game genre?

What killed the racing game genre?

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    zoomers

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why are they allergic to grabbing a steering wheel?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        They simply don't like cars like their fathers. There was research on how the audience from the late 90s shifted from "fun" cars to boring ugly cars with more rich equipment. Nowadays everything evolves into a grey SUV.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          But don't they like the convenience of owning a car?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're responding to a moronic generalization post do you take everything at face value? Kids have started driving later compared to previous generations because of stricter laws for them to get permits, a lockdown that lasted almost 3 years for no reason, and now high gas prices with cars in general being overpriced compared to pre-covid.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Bro, zoomers are 25 now, they could've gotten their permit 9 years ago

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                They did, do you think only 30 year olds are on the road? Brain rotted moron

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, but in the same way as they like owning iPhone, it's idiot-proof and has some premium status in comparison with knock-offs on android. The fun of racing or cool looking was replaced with the "fun" of owning a gadget on wheels. Even during the first Fast and Furious the majority of the American racing community was Hispanic.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            met a friend who was much older than me when he started working for me. eventually i found out he was working two jobs to pay off the car he gave to his son, who i'm told doesn't have a license and refuses to ever drive.

            eventually he quit with notice because of burnout and i don't think he ever paid off that car because that job paid shit and i quit working there shortly after too.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        THEN YOU SLOWLY RECALL ALL YOUR MIND
        WHY YOUR SOUL'S GONE COLD AND ALL HOPE HAS RUN DRY
        DEAD INSIDE
        NEVER ENOUGH TO FORGET THAT YOU'RE ONE OF THE LONELY
        SLOWLY RECALL ALL YOUR MIND

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ? forza is a system seller and has some of the largest games on xbox

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Forza Horizon hasn't been good since 3. The original team, the people actually into cars, has long since disbanded. What's left at PGG are only interested in accessibility and diversity, which is why we got fricking Mexico for 5. A country with no actual car culture, to the point they had to make a big deal about how VW and Ford put sweatshop factories in Mexico.

        Forza Motorsport 7 was a disaster, and the series peaked with 3 also.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          *Series peaked with 4

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      A new one comes out every week

      Slightly this. Zoomers have no romanticism with cars or car culture

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >A new one comes out every week
        They actually don't. It takes on look on Steam to see what a drought the genre is in.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's fricking steam, pc players only play shit, on switch ps and mobile there's a new racing games all the time, none of them are good mind you but they're there.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Zoomer this zoomer that
        homie, im a zoomer and i absolutely love the shit out of CARS, the issue isnt us but gen alphas

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. They don’t even know how to drive a car. They just take the subway and use Uber/Lyft

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm zoomer myself and I love tinkering trucks and cars.
      Take your fricking words back.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >all these tourists missing the joke of ‘zooming’ like a fast race car.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They were only making millions when they should've been making billions so companies reallocated the human resources.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Racing Sims (or Sim-likes) took over the market with a stronghold through only handful established series, variety and Arcade-likes are frowned upon by audiences today and won’t sell if you aren’t Mario Kart.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Racing Sims (or Sim-likes) took over the market with a stronghold through only handful established series,
      wow, three posts until the sim boogeyman

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not a boogeyman if it's real, simgay. Go pay for your iRent, homosexual.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're gonna sit there and tell me with a straight face that an inconsequential obscure sim for boomers with too much money is the reason the genre as a whole isn't as popular? Come on, anon. You might as well say Forza went to shit because Ridge Racer stopped being made. Just because they're in the same blanket genre doesn't mean there's similarity or relation.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You're gonna sit there and tell me with a straight face that an inconsequential obscure sim for boomers with too much money is the reason the genre as a whole isn't as popular?
            yes
            When such fricking vocal minority goes EVERYWHERE in every medium to shit on X or Y games because it's not a sim, then yes, they legitimately driving away a lot of people that just want to drive in a game for fun.

            Go into any reddit/youtube/twitter site and say that you like games like NFS FH etc... and see a bunch of morons ready to insult you because you enjoy arcade racing.

            And I say this as someone that love both arcade and sim.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Go into any reddit/youtube/twitter site and say that you like games like NFS FH etc... and see a bunch of morons ready to insult you because you enjoy arcade racing.
              But that's just it- they're a vocal minority who doesn't actually do anything. Has NFS or Forza Horizon gotten any less arcadey- or rather, any more sim-like- in past years? God no, NFS's handling has become so simple a monkey with one finger can drive it and Horizon is putting less attention on the actual racing (physics and tracks combined) than ever before. Over and over people make the claim that sims and simcades have 'replaced' arcade games while ignoring that some of those games- namely GT- predate whatever arcade series they want so heavily to return, and fail to realize that the genre as a whole has shrank so heavily. For every arcade series you miss, there's a simcade or sim that's disappeared too, but few people shouting for a new Burnout know what GTR2 is. Midnight Club was on borrowed time from the start as Rockstar became a dev conglomerate and GTA-machine (and your memories of it are cloudy with nostalgia, it is not a good racing game series). Burnout got churned by EA and NFS became purely lowest common denominator pandering after they alienated automotive fans and now try to chase rap music or flags or who knows what else. TOCA Touring Cars became more arcadey until it morphed into the GRID series, which has had one great game and a bunch of misses since.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >But that's just it- they're a vocal minority who doesn't actually do anything
                That's where you are wrong. Teenagers are very easy to influence, I mean hell, look at youtube/twitch/twitter and see how many will shill/hype or doom/bomb anything that there favorite "idol" say so.

                Project Gotham Racing, Driveclub and many more arcade racer got constantly shat on by sim racers "but it's just 30fps, but the handling is not good, play Assetto Corsa instead and blablablabla"

                To the point where a lot of potential players end up not even giving a chance to said games because of the constant pressure from others simtard.

                And if you think that children / young teenagers / zoomers can resist this kind of propaganda, then I think I will start to sell you some bridges very soon.

                >For every arcade series you miss, there's a simcade or sim that's disappeared too
                This doesn't void the other argument. Yes, both side lose a lot of games, like every genres did, even FPS.
                The point though is, there is true desire for a lot of simracer to consonantly shit on any GOOD arcade racing game. I love Driveclub, and I experienced this constant attack from simracer (even though they never played this game) for an entire decade, and this, even though DC is truly a successor to PGR (one of the best arcade racers that existed), with great visuals, audio and handling.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Driveclub was more focused on "oooOOOOOooo rain drops and shiny surfaces!" It was a bullshot simulator first and a game distant second. If you actually played it you'd remember how badly it ran and how often cars would catapult themselves into space for no reason.

                If you want to lament a dead PS racer lament Motorstorm, still only 30fps but at least it was designed to be fun and actually tried to be somewhat different instead of just pre-underground NFS.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                See ? thanks to literally do what I was explaining earlier.
                Another idiot talking about an arcade racing game that he never played.

                >often cars would catapult themselves into space for no reason.
                The hell you are talking about ? The game have literally the best arcade handling ever, the vibrations feature alone beat any other console racing game.

                And before you go further with your "you didn't played it", I not only played this game for years, I also modded this game, so don't start this shit with me. (pic related)

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >That's where you are wrong. Teenagers are very easy to influence
                And yet those same teenagers are the ones making every new Forza Horizon a best-selling title, so clearly that minority isn't actually changing anything. And the businessmen in suits at Electronic Acquisitions aren't listening either, since they sure aren't making any new sims- in fact, these popular sims are almost entirely either years and years old (rF) or indie devs kept popular by modding (AC).
                >Project Gotham Racing, Driveclub and many more arcade racer got constantly shat on by sim racers
                PGR hasn't been around in fifteen years, long before these arguments, and the devs were not only scapped up by MS, at no fault of any playerbase, but then went on to make an arcade title (Blur) anyway!
                >The point though is, there is true desire for a lot of simracer to consonantly shit on any GOOD arcade racing game.
                I'm not saying you have a victim complex here, but do you not realize how often the same thing happens from the other side? The sheer vitriol of arcade fans aimed at anyone who dares play a game that needs the brake pedal, most often seen in these very threads? Or, God forbid, you happen to like simcade games, in which case you're a dirty fence-sitter who's not gud enough/rich enough for sims but presumably sees Daytona as a gay babby game for dummies, but ALSO somehow responsible for the whole genre apparently becoming simcade games, which consists of, uh, GT, Forza in the past, PC/PC2 and that's fricking it?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >And yet those same teenagers are the ones making every new Forza Horizon a best-selling title, so clearly that minority isn't actually changing anything
                Because if you look closely, *most* sim racers aren't shitting on Forza Horizon (funny, isn't it ?, but they do on the normal Forza lol)
                Exactly like they aren't shitting either on zoomers making races on GTAV.... or e-sport player on Trackmania.
                But oh boy if the next NFS, DC, Grid, Hotwheels or anything is being released, they come at it prety fast.

                >PGR hasn't been around in fifteen years, long before these arguments
                Say mostly that you weren't there when it was the case, when a lot of "supposed" sim racer where on GT4 / Toca (lol) and Rfactor.

                >I'm not saying you have a victim complex here, but do you not realize how often the same thing happens from the other side?
                I play on both side, you only see me complaining about the sim people here, because this thread is about why arcade racers doesn't exist anymore, that's it.
                I do play Assetto Corsa, I do like sim too, and I can say, as someone that play both, that most casuals players and average arcade enjoyer does not come in every youtube video to tell you how shit your sim is. You don't see a guy playing Burnout coming into an AC video to say "your game is trash, go play Burnout".

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                i'm not willing to believe a tiny handful of idiots shitposting on youtube comments overrides the marketing and development from some of the richest developers in the world, and i think you have a huge chip on your shoulder about driveclub in particular
                >But oh boy if the next NFS, DC, Grid, Hotwheels or anything is being released, they come at it prety fast.
                are you specifically searching for these comments or something? because i've only ever seen people who were hyped for these games being disappointed they end up bad. who the frick is going on a grid video and complaining about it being arcadey, especially compared to the LEAGUES of people who are there instead complaining that it objectively sucks compared to prior grid games? same for NFS. you're creating a boogeyman here and trying to knock him down when he doesn't do jack diddly. it's the racing equivalent of that DCS guy who posts for hours on end about how ace combat isn't a real flying game, while everyone else ignores him.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >i'm not willing to believe a tiny handful of idiots shitposting on youtube comments overrides the marketing and development from some of the richest developers in the world
                He said while browsing fricking Ganker........

                >it's the racing equivalent of that DCS guy who posts for hours on end about how ace combat isn't a real flying game, while everyone else ignores him.
                And who ignore him ? the one that actually are old enough to understand this, and the others that actually played either both, or Ace Combat alone.
                The problem is not those groups, the problem is the one that doesn't know any of those and is looking to play a flying game, a teenager that will easily get influenced by the vocal minority screeching that loud, exactly like the Fromdrone that persuaded casual to not give up on the difficulty of Souls games.

                You would have been on those reddit/forum/youtube video and you would have seen it, you don't need to look for it, you just need to browse and follow whatever update and news a game release to see the same amount of shit thrown at your game by the same amount of people.

                As for your other arguments (disappointed they end up bad), I'm not even arguing against this, simply because my arguments is not even about after the game was released, but also before the game was released.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >And who ignore him ? the one that actually are old enough to understand this, and the others that actually played either both, or Ace Combat alone.
                Not other anon but this reminds me in a way of how the stalker community got "educated" on the lord and saviour mod, anomaly (which is now gamma basically).

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, I didn't know that.

                >He said while browsing fricking Ganker........
                that literally proves the point. a tiny handful of people shitposting on imageboards about how bad everything is while those same games go on to sell a gorillion copies to everyone who isn't those people (and some of whom are). utterly irrelevant. you have yet to show any proof or even slight inkling of evidence to these grumpy simdads having ANY effect on the genre when on the whole, games have only gotten MORE arcadey, with the exception of a small handful of titles that have stayed mostly the same, just like it was back in the day.
                >The problem is not those groups, the problem is the one that doesn't know any of those and is looking to play a flying game
                i don't give a frick about them and you don't either, don't act like you do. someone who actually gives a shit will do their own research and someone who just plays what they're told- by Big Corporate or Pissed Off Pablo or by You, the Gamer Who Knows What's Best- and clones their opinion is a net negative to any genre
                >bringing up souls games
                oh, you're one of those people who care more about how people see your games and each other than fricking playing them. should have guessed from the broken english and avatargayging

                >that literally proves the point.
                You don't understand, are you ? Why so much shills ? why some much bots ? It doesn't work ? ok, then who and why spending so much time and money for it ? Do you go buy a product when you see and ads ? Do you drink that propaganda on the news ? no ? so then it must be really unsuccessful, isn't it ?

                The truth is that, it doesn't work here because like I said, we are on Ganker, people question everything here, they would even question if their own mother exist if they could, so of course this trick doesn't work as good as on other platform. But again, if you truly believe that all those zoomers have the same methodology than us, Gankerers, then let me sell you a bridge right now.

                >i don't give a frick about them and you don't either, don't act like you do.
                Stop speaking out of your ass. When you are on game subreddit and that you see many people everyday discovering said game and wanting to ask if the game is good, and at the same time, you see a bunch of redditard from sim subreddit coming and shitting the thread, you know, that it does hurt the welcoming factor.

                Put your ass out of Ganker for a moment, and see what truly happen in most social network, you will see how detrimental some of those are for the genre.

                Kids are easily influenced (tide pods anyone ?), if all the other kids shame you when you play X games, you will stop to play X games. Us, people on Ganker have grown a thick skin for that, we don't care, but don't act like the rest of the normies are like us..

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You don't understand, are you ?
                you are incapable of understanding my basic logic, and that isn't surprising given your veer into /misc/shit. lay off the redpills once in a while chief, and your filename randomizer doesn't hide as much as you'd like it to. you've gone past going in circles to literally crying about muh dumb kids, and have in turn become the same simdads you hate.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >your veer into /misc/shit.
                >filename randomizer doesn't hide as much as you'd like it to
                How the projection going my son ?

                There is nothing /misc/ related here, saying that most normies outside of Ganker can be easily influenced is not something /misc/ invented, in fact, it's the fricking basics of marketing, you know, a subject that kind of matter when you debate about why X or Y genre is dying.

                As for the "filename randomizer", I don't see what does this have to do with anything, it's an option on GankerX that many use to avoid people like you that would go dig on any possible hole to derail a discussion with ad hominen attack. If you weren't that dumb, you would use the archive with hash comparison, and you will find out that none of those pictures got posted on /misc/ (I guess ?)

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >If you weren't that dumb, you would use the archive with hash comparison,
                why do you think you can tell the randomizer doesn't work and that they were posted on /misc/, moron
                >How the projection going my son ?
                legitimately and unironically not the correct usage of projection at all. i can tell this will go nowhere so enjoy your hut and fighting off those dirty sim racer fans

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >why do you think you can tell the randomizer doesn't work and that they were posted on /misc/, moron
                So you actually does those thing.....
                If complaining about the attitude of sim racers in regards to people enjoying arcade racing is something /misc/ related then I guess, everything is /misc/ related.

                I'm not even on /misc/ lol, but I guess, this picture was made for the type of people like you.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >He said while browsing fricking Ganker........
                that literally proves the point. a tiny handful of people shitposting on imageboards about how bad everything is while those same games go on to sell a gorillion copies to everyone who isn't those people (and some of whom are). utterly irrelevant. you have yet to show any proof or even slight inkling of evidence to these grumpy simdads having ANY effect on the genre when on the whole, games have only gotten MORE arcadey, with the exception of a small handful of titles that have stayed mostly the same, just like it was back in the day.
                >The problem is not those groups, the problem is the one that doesn't know any of those and is looking to play a flying game
                i don't give a frick about them and you don't either, don't act like you do. someone who actually gives a shit will do their own research and someone who just plays what they're told- by Big Corporate or Pissed Off Pablo or by You, the Gamer Who Knows What's Best- and clones their opinion is a net negative to any genre
                >bringing up souls games
                oh, you're one of those people who care more about how people see your games and each other than fricking playing them. should have guessed from the broken english and avatargayging

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >You don't see a guy playing Burnout coming into an AC video to say "your game is trash, go play Burnout".
                I see that a lot on this very board.
                >muh sims killed racing games
                >no vehicle damage
                >muh car licenses
                >why don't you just go outside and drive a car?
                >muh reelism
                >no pop soundtrack
                >muh barrier of entry
                >crashing is racing
                >simspergs
                >long winded historical misquote about how only boring art attempts to directly imitate life

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I see that a lot on this very board
                Ganker is an exception I will say, everyone shit on everything here, it's a mix between true critics and just shitposter shit stirring everything to get some laugh, so....

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                your shitty games deserve to be dead

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                People didn't shit on driveclub for being unrealistic. They shit on it because of the fanboys saying it was the best looking game ever when in reality it looked like ass when the screen wasn't covered in raindrops

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >For every arcade series you miss, there's a simcade or sim that's disappeared too, but few people shouting for a new Burnout know what GTR2 is.
                GTR2, Race and other simulators' going away wasn't felt like that because they were surpassed by modern ones. Everything they did, modern sims can do, but better since they are optimized for the new tech. Simulators are treated like software, essentialy, and noone is crying about WordStar going away.
                With arcade racers, there is a very different situation, at least when we are talking about the ones that people are usually sad about. Burnout, Road Rash, Rollcage, Wipeout and some others didn't even have a "spiritual successor" in years, nothing like that happened with sims (except maybe the demise of Grand Prix).

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Same thing happened to the flying game really. You used to be able to get something out of a combat flight sim without spending the first 30 minutes on the runway fricking around with the 'APU'. There's no middle ground between that and flipping your plane around like a toy in Project Wingman or AC.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is so annoying and distracting and I feel like I'm going mental when I'm the only one who seems to complain about this in fh4/5. You drive like 2 or 3 races and you get interrupted by some fricking voices you can't turn off taking control away from your map and you have to just sit there while they explain the event that just started. I DO NOT FRICKING CARE! STOP INTERRUPTING MY VIDEO GAME!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      kek, I hate this so much, this is why I'll never touch Forza

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >forza 5 comes out on goypass
      >eh i guess i'll check it out
      >start game, 5 mins later
      >IS THAT A.....
      >WWWINGSUIIIT?????
      >uninstall shit
      >go back to assetto corsa

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Biggest reason why I have so much distaste for Horizon.
      Compared to something like NFS Prostreet in the same vein with a racing festival, you start at the bottom as a nobody and build your reputation, forming rivalries along the way.
      In Horizon it just feels like you're the untouchable MC and there's no real trials you have to face and no rivals you create, everyone is buddy buddy with you

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The stupid gacha system is Horizon is moronic. I actually like the gameplay but quit because of the progression. You can always get a super car and tune it to max of your class. What's the point in grinding races then?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >everyone is buddy buddy with you
        the worst offender of this is FH5's street scene storyline, the street scene itself existing as part of the horizon festival makes zero sense

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >FH4 street scene
          Run under the table to avoid flak from Horizon Festival managers and create some thrill by being unsanctioned racing
          >FH5 street scene
          Completely endorsed by the festival and thus lost all its charm
          I've truthfully never seen a racing game fumble the atmosphere of a street racing club so hard until that

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            They are scared of losing Toyota's license. Toyata for some reason don't want to license their cars for illegal street racing since 2016

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              They ate their words
              https://wanganmidnight.fandom.com/wiki/Toyota_GR_Supra_RZ_(J29)

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Sounds like a non-issue tbh
              Toyota simps are a bunch of annoying asshomosexuals that only care about the Supra and their overpriced anime shitbox the Corolla, and an occasional few who acknowledge the existence of the MR2 and other notable cars from them

              >How does Polyphony Digital have all of this money
              Sony has the money, not Polyphony. And once again, see [...]

              Where's Burnout? Where's Flatout? Where's Wipeout? (another Sony property) Where's Motorstorm? (another Sony property) Where's F-Zero? Where's Crash Time? Why is Need for Speed floundering? Why has GRID been shit since 2? Why was DiRT 5 such a disaster? Why has Forza Horizon not been good in years?

              >Where's Burnout? Where's Flatout? Where's Wipeout? (another Sony property) Where's Motorstorm? (another Sony property) Where's F-Zero? Where's Crash Time? Why is Need for Speed floundering? Why has GRID been shit since 2? Why was DiRT 5 such a disaster? Why has Forza Horizon not been good in years?
              The answer to all those questions lies in dev teams being comprised of people who dont have passion to make good racing games or experience to know what made some fun, along with suits that pull the plug on any ideas for another game if the latest installment doesn't reach their ridiculous profit expectations

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      i fricking hate horizon

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Too afraid to innovate.

    For example, not a single racing game has adapted the battle royale concept into a format actually suitable for the genre. Forza Horizon 4/5 just stole the concept wholesale without actually properly implementing the racing aspect.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      ngl Burnout/Flatout/Wipeout with a Battle Royale Eliminator where the person in last on a lap gets snipped sounds fun as frick.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        This or with a HP system, aka, the one with less HP dies. if you are last, you drain more HP per second that those in front (but you have more boost too), and to steal more HP you need to make takedowns.

        Where do I patent this ?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        This or with a HP system, aka, the one with less HP dies. if you are last, you drain more HP per second that those in front (but you have more boost too), and to steal more HP you need to make takedowns.

        Where do I patent this ?

        Elimination races have been a thing for decades you donuts.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Of course, but most of the time elimination races are only for the one in last place for every rounds. It's boring when you are first and good at the game.

          The HP system would be different, since here you really need to survive, not being the fastest, since the further up you are, the lest boost you will have.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, but Battle Royale implies an incredibly large number of players. Like 50+, and an endless track akin to Outrun or something where you drive through world famous locations, with multiple routes.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Zoomers don't like cars, in the best case they see them as a sum of options.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What killed the racing game genre?
    The racing genre

  8. 10 months ago
    saucy

    lots of stuff

    >the internet
    Xbox Live and PSN were slow back in 2011. You needed fiber optics to get good latency on most racing games.
    >poor technology
    Most people didn't game on high end equipment like 0ms monitors and state of the art game-wheels.
    >Journalism and Gamergate
    between journos and gamergaters crying about ableism and forcing tons of bigoted hate into every possible game review on Steam, publishers were left with zero choice but to become inclusive.
    >demographic
    The people who used to buy racing games are not the same people who do now. The era of teenagers and young adults into fast cars and sexy crashes have almost entirely been replaced by a newer more power hungry gamer.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      We have this thread every week. What killed the racing genre is the complete lack of passion from the devs, all major racing game studios are now absorbed into soul crushing corporate realities

      You straight up don't know what you're talking about
      >the internet
      DSL was more than enough to achieve acceptable latency in your continent
      >technology
      wheel users have always been a minority, due to higher cost and generally bad handling models outside of sims
      >journos
      I'll give you that, FH5 getting 10/10s despite the fact that the game wasn't even functioning despite being a shitty asset flip doesn't help
      >demographic
      all the kids that grew up with gran turismo and classic/tuner era NFS are now 20-30 years old and are lamenting how their favourite franchises haven't had a good game in the last couple of console gens (also how every car they wanted growing up has become some rare collector's item sold for outrageous prices)

      Racing Sims (or Sim-likes) took over the market with a stronghold through only handful established series, variety and Arcade-likes are frowned upon by audiences today and won’t sell if you aren’t Mario Kart.

      Sims didn't take over shit, the only reason AC is successful is because of modding. The death of arcade racers rests entirely on the complete incompetence of arcade racing studios to make a worthwhile game that isn't just an asset flip of their previous less-than-mediocre waste of code (see NFS, GRID).

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The waste of Race Driver Grid as an IP is just proof that Codemasters doesn't know what they're doing anymore and hasn't for years. I still can't believe their utter shock when their Dirt remake found widespread success. Woah, it's like people play your games for the great driving models and simplistic design. They were never into half-baked stories with real actors and drama like what Grid Legends shat on our plates.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I was replaying GRID last month and I miss when racing devs actually gave a shit about their job
          >lots of events based on real racing series, real life teams appear as rivals or possible employers
          >period accurate drift cars, once again with teams from real life Formula Drift and D1 GP
          >still manages to include fictional tracks that work well with the driving physics
          >natural progression towards faster cars, from modified street cars to prototypes
          I got GRID Legends for free and I couldn't bear to play more than a couple hours, the story mode is written by someone that has never set foot on a racetrack, the tracks themselves are uninspired, the car selection and liveries are uninspired, most of the content is straight up recycled from 2019 anyway

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I always loved running the multi class races and spotting the Corvette Racing duo, the 007/008 Astons with their fish lips, or the motherfricking Spyker Squadron. That whole era of touring and endurance cars was just great across pretty much all classes, where you'd have a whole field of instantly recognizable and memorable cars before everything became simultaneously blobby and ten feet wide at the fenders as teams had to deal with increasingly egg-shaped road cars while still needing widened wheelbases, safety equipment, aero, etc. My favorite thing was always how the Audi Sport team served as the 'final boss' of Le Mans, but they didn't get any special fanfare beyond "this guy's in the lead" unlike all the attention to Ravenwest, who were suspiciously absent in both the LMGT/LMP short circuits and the 24 Hours. They were just really good drivers in absolutely ball-busting cars. It made you feel like everything else including the Ravenwest 1v1s was just being a big fish in the small pond and at Circuit de la Sarthe, you aren't jack shit but another entrant.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I would've liked Le Mans more if the cars were closer to their real life performance, GT1 cars can beat the current real life lap record and the R10 can reach 430 km/h on the Mulsanne straight which is just unheard of (and also makes the rest of the P1 class simply unviable)

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Eh, Grid's physics can be squirrely enough and I can deal with some reality breaks performance wise in a less than realistic game (other than the damage model of course).
                >(and also makes the rest of the P1 class simply unviable)

      • 10 months ago
        saucy

        Anon, DSL barely carried a 2mbit signal.

        You weren't hosting dedicated servers from your grandma's house over 2mbit, unless people were paying you serious money. And if you didn't have serious money, you bought an Xbox 360 with a 100Mbit cap. Literally no one had a decent connection on the 360 for what, four years?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I was playing CS on a sub 1 Mbps upload connection and I was still getting a playable 50-60 ms ping on regional servers (I live in EU), Forza Horizon 1 ran well enough online.

          • 10 months ago
            saucy

            You guys are so spoiled on good internet you forget about Gears of War host shit and think everyone with a job could afford gigabit internet back in 2007.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              No, you are just a zoomer.
              I was playing online on Dreamcast, I played on Xbox Live on original xbox, and even "tried" to play on PS2 online (servers where so shit it was even a meme to succeed to connect most of the time, let alone survive long enough before a disconnection when playing Killzone)
              And let me tell you, even while being on a small island in the Indian Sea with the most basic ADSL line, I was still able to play Mechassault, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six and PGR2 online with no trouble.
              So you coming with Gears of War on the X360 is laughable at best.

              • 10 months ago
                saucy

                Anon, 7th gen gaming is by far the worst generation ever for framerates, netplay, and actual competitive online gaming. It's unanimously agreed upon by several verifiable sources, even popular video game developers agree. You're using anecdotal evidence to disagree with a widely held and easily proven concept.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >racing games locked to 30fps
                don't remind me

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >all the kids that grew up with gran turismo and classic/tuner era NFS are now 20-30 years old and are lamenting how their favourite franchises haven't had a good game
        Doesn't mean they're going to buy them, play them, and spend the necessary amount on micro transactions to make a 2023 bloated budget AAA game profitable.
        Everyone I met in MMOs laments the dirth of good MMOs for the past decade. We've stopped giving new ones a chance. We have jobs and families and not enough time to take a chance on probable shit.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Meant dearth, not dirth

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      why is this namegay always wrong about everything

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      and Gamergate
      >between journos and gamergaters crying about ableism and forcing tons of bigoted hate into every possible game review on Steam, publishers were left with zero choice but to become inclusive.
      congratulations
      i'm not sure i've seen a take this moronic in a while

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    #1 is liscene fees
    Can't drive a bugatti, a lambo, a Lotus, a Ferrari, McLaren. It's all off brand cars and off brand looks. Only reason I play racing games, is to make believe I can afford and race all those expensive cars.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Only reason I play racing games, is to make believe I can afford and race all those expensive cars.
      homosexual, you're part of what killed racing games.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You are literally the audience that killed racing games, nobody cared about real licensed cars in the nineties and early 2000’a, as long as the cars looked like cool off brands and the game race itself was fun it was all good.

      Ironically enough GTA Online has a strong community of racers and all the cars in GTA are unlicensed vehicles.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Ironically enough GTA Online has a strong community of racers and all the cars in GTA are unlicensed vehicles.
        GTAV is unironically the best arcade racer on the market, far better than Forza Horizon 5. Vast selection of cars, tons of customization, endless community tracks etc.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >all the cars in GTA are unlicensed vehicles
        >literally a JZA80
        I love how R* always gets away with it

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          dude that looks like shit Rockstar has always had outrid car design even in a fictional sense, you can get away with a lot more if you actually give a shit. see: nightrunners or wreckfest

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >You are literally the audience that killed racing games, nobody cared about real licensed cars in the nineties and early 2000’a
        >the same time period where Need for Speed included individual showcases for every licensed vehicle with detailed stats and videos, Gran Turismo 1 and 2 sold over 15 million (15,000,000) combined copies, and every manufacturer this side of Dacia had their own licensed game

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the same time period where Need for Speed included individual showcases for every licensed vehicle
          It was (and is) glorious.

          Gran turismo also has thousands of lines of text in the game detailing the cars in the game.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Get asseto corsa homosexual. You can get nearly any supercar, hypercar and even school buses in existence on the game.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >driving simulator vs game

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Shit like this killed football games too.

      No one should care if you are playing with Ressi or Moraldo.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think you meant Pissi Cuckitini and Penaldo Donaldo

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ehh?
      There are no license fees to get a manufacturers car in a game. It's free.
      The only time a company every paid fees was EA paid Porsche for exclusivity in their games.
      The problem with getting cars in a game is realistically modelling them.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        are you saying i can put coca cola and marlboro in my video game without paying for it?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You probably can't put real cigarette brands in a game but you'll get paid for putting coca cola in your game

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You can't use trademarks, logo's brand names etc. You can have something that looks like the product unless a company is willing to try and argue in court that the look of their product is universally recognizable enough to confuse the consumer. iirc apple tried this bullshit with their phones.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    it was a rare case of the tastes of the audience improving. people want a semblance of actual driving mechanics, and not just canned proprietary drifting that's as deep as a puddle.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Yeah dude people's tastes got better that's why the games progressively got worse to appease these "superior tastes"
      Sounds like what you believe to be good taste is actually harmful dogshit.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think racing specifically underwent a shift towards more of a hobbyist player mentality, they want to git gud at something with some meat to it instead of the more general appeal racing games used to have. strawman me that I say this applies to the industry as a whole though.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        he means that racing games have shifted towards sim stuff as cars became less of an experience and more of a commodity in the mind of normalgays

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    All the actually fun arcade racing games shifted towards mobile. The Asphalt series and Ace Racer are prime examples.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >asphalt
      >anything more than money pits

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    People stopped buying arcade racers altogether. they want to simulate the real thing now all of the sudden

    I don't mind Horizon's simcade handling but the games themselves didn't anything noteworthy since the first game basically which had a competent soundtrack with a 2012 summer party identity that gave it a special flavor.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also triple A gaming is now focused on making extremely detailed cars and physics which slowed down Gran Turismo games on top of the director himself losing passion. GT7 mode is nowhere as intuitive as GT6 let alone 4 and before

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      which Forza is this?
      I thoughts it's a completely pozzed IP now
      what's a sexy girl doing in that race intro

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Horizon 1
        >what's a sexy girl doing in that race intro
        it was 2012

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing, continue playing the greats

      Take me fricking back

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      VWs are usually shit across the board but the Corrado is pure sex.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      FH1 was absolutely soulful, it's a shame what they turned it into

      I hold the faith - do you anon?

      I do. The devs have some experience with the WRC and V-Rally games, so I'm holding out on the game playing half decently.

      I actually really loved having actual garages to walk through and inspect your car collection, having a list of 800 thumbnails with a shitty UI in Forza Horizon is a massive downside. I also liked how each car had its unique speedometer on the HUD even if you weren't using wienerpit view, I also miss that a lot. I never played Project Gotham but I know at least one of those games did that as well.

      That being said aside from the bad handling and physics, TDU had other massive issues. You think the cutscenes and characters in the Horizon games are bad and cringe? The "story" mode in TDU2 probably the most soulless garbage with the most insufferable characters I've ever witnessed in a racing game, and it was so fricking drawn out and tedious it's unbelievable.

      I liked actually getting to option out your car with factory wheel and even interior trim and color options. Each car having a working odometer was cool too since you'd get to see your miles rack up

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >open-top c6
        Why are the Forza Horizon games so averse to convertibles and cars with both coupe and open top options?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          A toggle option for the roof being up or down is lost tech from the forgotten precursor era of 1999. Small indie company, please understand.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      What I hate about FH1 is that after almost every race there's some b***h talking to me on the map.
      But I can only play FH1 on sundays which is when my grandpa is around so I have to keep it down, so all I can hear is her whispering and have no fricking idea what anyone in that game says because THERE'S NO FRICKING SUBTITLES IN A 360 GAME GODDAMNIT.

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    the sexiest car, bar none.

    wish I could bang one

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    realism

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oversaturation like most genres that die, every single company was making a racing game at one point in the 00s and people got sick of it.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Too many games where they just crammed in every car and every track and every style of racing so they were all shitty samey games that sort of sucked at everything.

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    When are they releasing forza 8?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Holidays or next year

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cool, I have enough time to save for a wheel and a new graphic card.

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Car licenses are expensive and expire.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      That isn't relevant to racing games with unlicensed cars.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        that's because they're shit
        there isn't a single good game without licensed cars

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Masterful bait post. Any post to the contrary can just be countered with
          >good game
          Well done.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            yes

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe someone would try to prove the contrary with arguments, not naming games like a moron.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              burden of proof is on

              that's because they're shit
              there isn't a single good game without licensed cars

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                So you're disagreeing with OP and the genre is still alive and thriving?

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What killed it was other games being able to incorporate driving without being full fledged racing games. Racers as standalones ar ejust kind of superfluous now.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Disagree, the problem with the racing genre is just the sheer unwillingness to adapt or step away from aping what's deemed "popular." Wreckfest became a modern day beloved classic and it did it by just being a decent spiritual successor to Flatout. Rumors are circulating that Bugbear is making a sequel which is why the updates for Wreckfest died down after two seasons of non-stop content.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Zero faith in THQNordic to not treat the devs like shit. Wreckfest was picked up by THQ after it was developed, not before. Look at what happened to Stuntfest, a game only announced middle of last year.

        >Changed its name to Jected - Rivals
        >No marketing, no communication that this happened
        >Meaning nobody knows it exists in its current state
        >Was meant to be a buy to play game
        >Is now F2P
        >Rushed out the door
        >Riddled with bugs
        >Released two weeks ago in early access, has no players
        It's dead as frick. I actually feel sorry for the devs.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Jected - Rivals
          wtf is that supposed to mean? You call a game stuntfest I know what it is. What the hell is a jected?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's meant to be some word play on "Ejected" because that's the main mechanic of the game.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I thought it was dejected because of how the players feel after they try the game. Rejected makes sense too.

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sim gays spend more time complaining on forums than actually playing their games so devs thought they had to make sim games that healthy people don't like to play, so the games sold like shit and the devs lost their jobs. Rightfully so, the punishment for appeasing sim gays should be destitution.

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Has anyone played the new nfs yet? This shit either has broken speedo or no sense of speed at all. The cars go at 150 mph and looks like they are barely doing 30

    ?t=20713

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, I did. it's an over-glorified update to Heat. Racing is fun now but the pursuits are noticeably worse. The aesthetics are ok. The soundtrack is slightly better than Heat but still trash and skippable for the most part

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Simgay
    Next question

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    tl;dr
    >huge chunk of the old arcade racer group grew up and developed simdad autism
    >zoomers don't care for the genre as a whole, so the few big titles that get pumped out (NFS, forza, etc) are enough to satisfy their needs
    It is just a shift in the audience in the same way fighting games (or beat 'em ups if you want to be pretty old school) used to rule the roost are now no longer a core genre for a given platform. Same thing happened to platformers.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >MC2
      such a based game
      press S to spit on that c**t Haley and her moronicly hard unordered checkpoint race

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        She seemed like she was going to chill out but then she turns around and acts like a c**t in her final cutscene. Honestly I can't think of many racers who weren't salty about losing

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          there's the aussie guy who outright tells you you're better and to have fun with his car

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah he's a top bloke. Kenichi and Hector ended up respecting you even if they weren't very open about it

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              She seemed like she was going to chill out but then she turns around and acts like a c**t in her final cutscene. Honestly I can't think of many racers who weren't salty about losing

              FRICKING MOSES

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Moses is the mentor character. He's a given

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        She seemed like she was going to chill out but then she turns around and acts like a c**t in her final cutscene. Honestly I can't think of many racers who weren't salty about losing

        I'M JUST TRYING TO HAVE A GOOD TIME MAN

  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hold the faith - do you anon?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      TDU's handling always sucked tremendous amounts of dick and basically an afterthought. Literally the only thing it had going for it was a huge map and playing dressup and dolls house. The series was ahead of it's time, just of all the fricking awful things that would water down future racing games.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I actually really loved having actual garages to walk through and inspect your car collection, having a list of 800 thumbnails with a shitty UI in Forza Horizon is a massive downside. I also liked how each car had its unique speedometer on the HUD even if you weren't using wienerpit view, I also miss that a lot. I never played Project Gotham but I know at least one of those games did that as well.

        That being said aside from the bad handling and physics, TDU had other massive issues. You think the cutscenes and characters in the Horizon games are bad and cringe? The "story" mode in TDU2 probably the most soulless garbage with the most insufferable characters I've ever witnessed in a racing game, and it was so fricking drawn out and tedious it's unbelievable.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >8 months past original release date
      >still no signs of being anywhere close to finished
      >houses no longer being included at launch
      i'm losing hope, tdubros...

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >no gameplay
        >not even any npc traffic in the few screenshots shown
        >half the screenshots that even show cars are literally cars that are recycled from TDU2 (which are assets that are 10+ years old at this point)
        >no soulful garages to store your cars in since everyone's in some luxury highrise
        I'm taking all the hopium I can get, but it can only do so much

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >every game company on earth decides to copy each other and make the same racing game to capitalize on NFS/F&F hype
    >water the market down so much that none of them are unique but still cost $50 a pop to get the same experience each time
    >think that people actually care about having real car licenses so your car pool is limited
    >don't have arcades to fall back on anymore

    Its easy to see why the genre died when there was a drought of no good racing games for years during the PS3/360 era

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing, continue playing the greats

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      There unironically hasn't been a good racing since Forza Horizon 3.

  27. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Bad current music killed racing games

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Current? The genre has been on the downturn for almost 15 years now

  28. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    A mix of things

    >Nobody makes cheap but fun shitboxes, EVs are soulless as frick and stuff like cash for clunkers has destroyed the second hand market for kids to get their first car so the general culture is dying up (in first world countries) unless you're a boomer or some e-celeb.

    >Publishers think (perhaps correctly) that people want licenced cars, super shiny graphics and grounded """realistic""" simcade style. They also see shit like iRental and get hard at the idea of charging dipshits monthly fees or 10s of dollars for single cars and tracks without realizing that only giga autismos will fall for that scam. Licenced cars are expensive, shiny graphics are expensive, all of it creates a lot of cost for something that is niche and never gonna sell that well. Which means publishers don't want to know because smaller projects with more modest budgets may as well not exist to them. EVERY game has to make call of duty figures.

    It's not the 90s and 2000s anymore where you had a ton of midsized B tier studios that had some budget and professionals. Nowadays it's all either AAA or indies. It's slowly getting better, but as it is there's just nobody out there to make the modestly budgeted arcade racers. Especially as there's a perception that they're childish and kiddy, not any different from kart racers. Big AAAs want to copy NFS/Forza/GT and think they'll magically steal all their market share while Indies would rather make some roguelike deck build or survival crafting slop. Because making a fun racing game with good tracks and handling is actually pretty hard.

  29. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically NFS Unbound would be good if it had more content, better rivals, less basketball culture and not shit soundtrack

  30. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are the chances that we see another Burnout game at the rate NFS is burning good will?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Zero, the last Burnout game came out in 2008, that's 15 years ago, anyone who had a hand in making those games has either retired or moved to a different studio.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hopefully never, the series ended bad enough and I don't get people's fascination to ruin old memories even more with reboots.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a bitter pill but kart racers have the better arcade formula

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even if Criterion exists as a company, the old dev team is gone

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Burnout Paradise Remastered, like the Dead Space Remake, was EA testing if there was enough love to see a revival.

      Burnout PR sold a middling amount. We're never seeing another Burnout ever again.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >BUT WHAT ABOUT A NEW HECKIN' BURNOUT EA!!!!!!
      can't you manchildren shut up about gayout for a single thread at least
      it wasn't good back then and wouldn't be good now

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Aren't the former Criterion devs making the current crop of NFS games now?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Burnout Criterion left EA and haven't made anything since. I think the current Criterion is made up of Ghost devs

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ugh, that project had promise. How did it shit the bed so hard? Also, is Wreckfest any good?

  31. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's a solved genre. just like boxing games.

  32. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    all i want is r4 + grid 1, with gran turismo 3's handling model

  33. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    All the fastest cars are electric.

  34. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOOO YOU CAN'T PLAY WITH A KEYBOARD
    >BUY THIS USS 5000 RACING WHEEL OR YOU WON'T EXPERIENCE WHAT TRUE DRIVING REALLY MEANS

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      nobody thinks that you actual imbecile, most racing game driving models are made around gamepads, if anything not enough devs even attempt to make a decent wheel handling model outside of sims

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not comparable, controller is dogshit compared to wheels

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Controllers have been proven factually better for the Forza Horizon games and all the top players use pads.

  35. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What killed the racing game genre?
    GTA killed it mainly. It also didn't help that it went from racing to ghetto hood culture glorification and that put off a lot of people. Racing games used to have really nice electro or at least rock soundtracks and good looking cars without any bs on top of it, because you play racing games to drive fast looking sleek cars from big brands while listening to great music on scenic vistas. That's not the case anymore sadly. Fast&Furious also destroyed racing games for similar reasons.

    I recently played through Need4Speed Hot Pursuit 2 and it was pretty enjoyable for a 20 year old game. I couldn't stand playing the newer games, too trashy and full of bullshit plots, actors and voice acting.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not the cause, but the symptom that you are describing.

      Anon, 7th gen gaming is by far the worst generation ever for framerates, netplay, and actual competitive online gaming. It's unanimously agreed upon by several verifiable sources, even popular video game developers agree. You're using anecdotal evidence to disagree with a widely held and easily proven concept.

      While the 7th gen is one of the worst era ever for gaming (even maybe the worst), that's still doesn't make your argument true. The online on the PS2 was absolute dog shit tier, the Dreamcast internet (while good but limited) was extremely expensive, and the PC was ok, even though the rise of Counter Strike and co was only possible thanks to cyber cafe.
      Then, the X360 just upgraded whatever the original xbox online made, remember that it took the release of Halo 2 to get things like voiced message and proper clan system.
      All in all, you don't really have anything to complain "internet wise" about the 7th gen, because it was clearly better on every aspect no matter the platform.

      • 10 months ago
        saucy

        Anon, between Mario Kart Wii, Need for Speed and I think Forza Motorsport, there were no system selling racing games with online support.

        You're talking about the genre as a whole surviving on its own against other monopolies like Halo, Smash Bros. and Uncharted. There's no way the racing game genre survived because of quality and de facto internet being issued out to consumers.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >there were no system selling racing games with online support
          You are literally talking out of your ass here.

          Project Gotham Racing 2 (you know, the game that truly made the nurburgring nordschleife well known for gamers, way before GT4), Motog GP2, Burnout 3, Rallisport Challenge 2, MM3, Toca, Midnight Club etc....

          You are just talking about something you never experienced, that's it. You don't how big PGR2 was (so much, that even the japanese community was big on it), you never experienced those Xbox Live weekend with PGR2 the morning and R63 the afternoon.

          No, the arcade racing game online scene was big back then. (so much that I even participated on RS2 championship)

          • 10 months ago
            saucy

            Burnout 3 barely moved 600K units!

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Thanks to proving me right again.
              Next you will tell me that BB was only 2 million......

              • 10 months ago
                saucy

                The game didn't sell consoles at all! It totaled a 1.11M sales by the end of its production! That's not a system seller!

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't judge a system seller by his sales only, you judge it by the attachment ratio too.
                There is a reason why I specifically took BB as an argument.

                The worst is that, it's even funny to debate about Burnout 3 when you know the situation between EA, Rockstar and Xbox back then (Microsoft was forced to outbet a deal that Sony did to avoid those games to be available on Xbox on top of EA wanting to force their own online system, that's also why we got the GTA Pack asap when the deal was finished)

                So tell me again about your "not a system seller".

              • 10 months ago
                saucy

                I don't doubt that the attachment rate is high too, but it literally did not move Xbox's.

                That's like saying the Dreamcast was a fiscal and financial success even though the publisher openly declared it a failure.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's where you are wrong.
                If you wanted to play online Burnout 3, you would choose the Xbox version, since the online between those 2 system (PS2/Xbox) was night and day. (and when I say that, I say that you could not even connect to the PS2 network some times).
                But even so, PGR2 was. And again, comparing games released at an earlier life cycle of a console to older one game is quite nonsensical. If Bloodborne was released in 2019 on PS4, it would have sold at least 2 times what it got in 2015, it's pure mathematics.

                So any online games was a default -> straight to Xbox.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Burnout 3 barely moved 600K units!
              It was a AA game bought by EA mid-development. 600K was a success.

              • 10 months ago
                saucy

                An interpretive success!

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Made more than you spent
                That's called a success, Black person. This is why Japanese shovelware exclusive to the country can get by on 60K sales.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                An interpretive success!

                Burnout 3 barely moved 600K units!

                >there were no system selling racing games with online support
                You are literally talking out of your ass here.

                Project Gotham Racing 2 (you know, the game that truly made the nurburgring nordschleife well known for gamers, way before GT4), Motog GP2, Burnout 3, Rallisport Challenge 2, MM3, Toca, Midnight Club etc....

                You are just talking about something you never experienced, that's it. You don't how big PGR2 was (so much, that even the japanese community was big on it), you never experienced those Xbox Live weekend with PGR2 the morning and R63 the afternoon.

                No, the arcade racing game online scene was big back then. (so much that I even participated on RS2 championship)

                Anon, between Mario Kart Wii, Need for Speed and I think Forza Motorsport, there were no system selling racing games with online support.

                You're talking about the genre as a whole surviving on its own against other monopolies like Halo, Smash Bros. and Uncharted. There's no way the racing game genre survived because of quality and de facto internet being issued out to consumers.

                Anon stop talking to this Dick in the booty KY Jelly Packing ass homie hes literally moronic and HE LOVES TO EAT DA POO POO

              • 10 months ago
                saucy

                wtf

                this is why we can't have nice things

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Saucy youre an annoying Black person and NO ONE LIKES YOU just TAKE OFF THE homosexual NAME AND ILL NEVER BE ABLE TO REPLY TO YOU AGAIN
                Youre a DUMB Black person

                I been here since you started and you just are so stupid It infuriates me.
                What do you expect when youre one of the 3 name Black folk on here, you think no one will find you?
                Youre a dumb Black person. A KY Jelly PAcking House Black person, Whomstve loves to eat poop and SHIT

              • 10 months ago
                saucy

                i'm gonna kms

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Dont do that just take off the homosexual name that way your moronic posts blend into the other morons

              • 10 months ago
                saucy

                my life isn't worth living anyway

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Bro stop trying to make me feel bad just stop the name just delete it, just god damn it

  36. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly the genre kinda peaked half a decade ago already. I can buy Horizon 2+3, Gran Turismo 5+6,and Need For Speed: Heat+Grid 2 for a hundred bucks combined and have all the vroom vroom I can handle for years

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only problem is for Horizon 3 you miss out on kino mountain.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        iirc you're fricked if you don't equip snow tires there

        Not so much afterwards in the sequels

  37. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Car manufacturers being extremely stingy with damage models and licensing, throw in a bit of big publisher's demands that limit creativity of the devs, and that's want you get. There's still some good indie racing games that come out every now and then
    >Pic source: Redout 2

  38. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What killed the racing game genre?
    Forza introducing zoomers into this shit.
    Gran Turismo still being gatekeeped by Sony.
    moronic games that require you to have a fricking battlestation ship of a racing setup.

  39. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even a game like Live For Speed survived for so long and it was because it was made for fun, and not require a gazillion graphix.

  40. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    lack of identity

  41. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    indie games can't compete (cause car rights are expensive) so big companies became complacent

  42. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    How are those Asetto Corsa games? How do the compare to Forza? I've seen them on the xbox, but I've always overlooked them. I only ever play mainline Forza games, and I really like those. I probably have hundreds of hours into each of them over the years, as I've played them since the very beginning. I like these "realistic" track racing games, while NFS style street trash I just pass. Havent played those type of games since Underground 1 and 2.
    Pic because I love Corvettes. If Asetto Corsa has no vettes then I wouldnt even buy.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Assetto Corsa is horrible on consoles. The base content is absolute ass, the good thing about it is modding. If you wanna play AC, get a PC.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I only played for a few dozen hours but it's pretty simplistic for a sim, iirc you just download track/car specific setups from the ingame plugin hub or whatever and hotlap to your heart's content. I didn't really race online but the few open casual lobbies I joined were usually decent and it wasn't hard to find someone who could race at your level whether your slow or faster or average. This was years ago though idk how the game is now, probably worse for online racing considering the game has been getting more popular.

  43. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s not just racing. Either a genre is ‘the current thing’ or it’s a shell of its old self that will likely never see a major title pushing new boundaries. Platformers, jrpgs, dungeon crawlers, flight games, city builders, metroidvanias, mech games, etc.
    You can probably name a big title or two for each of those that came out in the last few year, but chances are it’s a sequel to a long-running IP. When those genres were at their peak you would’ve been seeing multiple larger titles a year, many of which would set the rules for later games in the genre. Once the gold rush ends then only established IPs, lower budget productions, and indies will be left. Racing had it good, what with it surviving multiple generations of hardware

  44. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    arcade racers achieved perfection on the ps1 and """sim""" racers achieved perfection on the ps2, there's nothing left to do except circle the drain

  45. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know but you can always play sims. I guarantee 99% of people here would generate more dopamine from learning to full throttle eau rouge in a low downforce GT1 to barely catch the slipstream from the guy in front than going through the motions playing games where you race either a cheating AI or a game where every car handles the same.

  46. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    People only wanting to play either super realistic simulator trash, or explicitly Mario Kart and absolutely nothing else

  47. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just give me back ricerkino games

  48. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    same shit that killed every other sports game

  49. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    > Discuss based wrong assumptions
    It is less popular than open world for sure.

  50. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he doesn't know about nightrunners
    If this shit has BallisticNG levels of mod support, it will BTeverlovingFO every other game on the market.

    ?t=39

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Just drive around on highways
      Yawn.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >just ignores the potential of independent mod support and spiritual successor of a classic racing game franchise for the purpose of acting like a flippant above it all homosexual on an anonymous image board
        You're exactly why racing games suck now, so scared of change. Go back to forza, nerd.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >B-BUT THE MOD SUPPORT
          I don't give a frick if the game itself is an empty box of nothing.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It isn't, you're intentionally ignoring a lot of what made TXR itself great you homo.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              This isn't TXR, so why even bring it up?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because it has the potential to be a really good spirital successor to the franchise in the same way BallisticNG is. Who the frick wants to play wipeout when you can literally turn Ballistic into a more stable and graphically sound plus restored multiplayer Wipeout on PC? I had the same conversation with homosexuals like you about Ballistic way back when it was still in EA and turned out better than any modern wipeout game could ever hope to be.
                >hurrrrr who cares then its not out
                Why discuss upcoming games period then? Why even participate in a thread about the future of racing games? Bet you don't even own a wheel or a car, you just like shitting threads up.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Because it has the potential to be a really good spirital successor to the franchise
                I advise you stop breathing pure copium. This game will be dead and forgotten within a year. Whether abandoned by the developer, or released on Steam with zero marketing, no sales, and left to rot.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not an argument. You just wrote what you hope happens to this game not what actually will. You just sound like a AAA shill afraid of indie games at this point.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Using BallisticNG as the standard is a sure-fire way to disappoint yourself. The other anon is right when he says dime-a-dozen spiritual successors to dead racing series exist, and 99% of them fail. You're now remembering Formula Fusion, the dead and memory-holed spiritual successor to Wipeout created by some of the Wipeout devs.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                No i'm not because I have no clue what Formula Fusion is.
                >previous devs
                This is more a classic tale of trying to make lighting strike twice/get the band back together than why an indie game is going to fail.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >No i'm not because I have no clue what Formula Fusion is.
                Exactly.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but what gives me faith is the clear understanding of what made previous TXR great games great, BallisticNG was head and shoulders above Formula Fusion from the get go. BNG was made by a fan who understood what other fans wanted out of the Wipeout rather than old heads trying to modernize the successful honestly a lukewarm successful thing they did almost 20 years ago.

                What went so fricking wrong?

                Ubisoft

                >BallisticNG
                nobody cares about anti gravity racing games

                i know, i don't even know how ballisticng exists, never underestimate the autism of AGR players

                >No i'm not because I have no clue what Formula Fusion is.
                Exactly.

                Not an argument.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >old heads trying to modernize the successful honestly a lukewarm successful thing they did almost 20 years ago.
                Pretty much what happened with that new """burnout""" game a couple years ago. I don't even remember what it was called

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >BallisticNG
                nobody cares about anti gravity racing games

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >frick wants to play wipeout
                Honestly, I still prefer Wipeout. I do mod Wipeout and it does offer way more than BallisticNG. Wipeout Omega VR is quite something anon.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's like asking someone why they would bring up Wario Land while talking about Pizza Tower. Stop being disingenuous.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, peddling a glorified indie game with no content is really gonna save the genre. There are fricking hundreds of these on Steam with 20 reviews each released in the last decade.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >potential of independent mod support
          Harebrained's Shadowrun games were made with mod support in mind, they were hoping for a Neverwinter Nights model. Closer to our case, Driver Syndicate has mod support. Didn't help them much.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        TXR3 is one of the most difficult racing games I've ever played.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >TXR3 is one of the most difficult racing games I've ever played.
          literally how? unless you purposefully gimp yourself with a slow car
          earlier games in the series are way harder than 3

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Picrelated.
      It is going to and up as a korean MMO with several tutorial races against AI, isn't it?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone doesn't know what they want, and people who like racing games are stuck playing iRacing and Gran Turismo (and sometimes F1 games)

      I like this game concept hope it's not all about JDM tho

  51. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can we blackmail Sony to bring Motorstorm back, ideally without a lesbian kissing scene?

  52. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Realism.

  53. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    ESG scores.
    Not even kidding, some things are verboten like cars, fossil fuel and nuclear energy in games now.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This

      It's why every modern racer has the unnecessary feature of creating a "drivatar" with pronouns, and why rap has replaced rock.

  54. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What went so fricking wrong?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Steered away from cars

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It tried to do too much, I enjoyed the first game and don't give a single shit about things like boat/plane racing. The map also got downgraded, and there's little sense of progression/adventure since you can basically fast travel across the map right from the beginning. In the first one, you at least had that cheesy story that would slowly take you around various parts of the country.
      The lighting also felt off and the same across the map, and the increased draw distance sucked for immersion since you could basically see Texas from Florida, but those are more minor autismo gripes

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      classic wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle open world type shit. what's the point of having all these real locations if they all look like fricking shit? everyone and i mean EVERYONE, who travels to their hometown or place in the US they want to see IRL is going to be disappointed in how under designed everything is. it's spread too thin and it's almost impossible for that kind of world to have any consistency in it's design, not to mention the awful upgrade system.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        forgot to add this tidbit in but MS flight simulator 2020 is an example of how this type of concept can work

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Crew was always just a worse version of FUEL.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >worse than fuel

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Odd way of putting it, but Fuel was pretty damn fun. The gargantuan map is nice for zoning out and cruising across, too

  55. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiidge Raaaacerrrrrrr!!!!

  56. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    trucks

  57. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    WHERE'S THE SEQUEL UBIBlack folk???

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      sorry you mean more shitty watch dogs?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw there will never be another continuation of the driver story

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'd murder for a continuation or a spiritual successor. They still somewhat played in GTA's playground, but at the same time it was a purebred driving game with some of the most inventive mission design at the time. How about driving your car when you are watching from the eyes of the Jericho chasing you?

      sorry you mean more shitty watch dogs?

      >more shitty watch dogs
      Dude did you even play it? Watch Dogs had dogshit physics, but the system in DPL was actually pretty good, geared more towardss tail happy old muscle cars like Driver is supposed to.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        i was saying that ubisoft would rather release another watch dogs than to make another driver

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      its been out for almost a decade

  58. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    not enough cool ass music

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      this, NFS hasn't had a good soundtrack since 2007
      >b-b-b-but NFS HS 2010-
      It had like 4 or 5 good songs max bro c'mon.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        NFS hasn't had a good game since Porsche Unleashed

  59. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  60. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Simtards

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bazed

  61. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    THE ICE AGE

  62. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >racing games are struggling
    Gran Turismo is one of the top selling videogames on PS5 and was the same on the PS4

    This is a non-emergency. And the automotive community responds to that brand's presence even if it will never be popular with the "my life is videogames" crowd.

    The "my life is videogames" crowd didn't buy the Ridge Racers, Outrun-clones, ATV Fury, Motorstorms, Wipeouts, and F-Zeros so you are the one demographic that doesn't get to complain. You didn't support those games when you had the chance.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Uh this one game is doing well so it's a non-issue

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You didn't buy the games/or promote them to a wide audience so it 100% is a non-issue. Simple as.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pretty sure I did buy them, that's why I'm pissed off their dead, moronic Snoy.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      GT was easily the best selling franchise on the PS1 and PS2. The fact that they're not on the top of the charts despite the apparent lack of exclusives on the PS5 and the reception to their last 2 games being lukewarm at best shows that the franchise is at a decline. As dumb as it may sound, I can 100% see NFS making a legitimate comeback if Criterion address the main issues with Unbound.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't even have a PS5, but GT7's car list seems lackluster compared to the older games. It almost looks like what you'd see in a Forza game vs. the collection of various trims of the same car and more 'everyday' cars that the games used to have, and building a collection of random shitboxes while tuning them up was a huge appeal of the game to me at least

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        > if Criterion address the main issues with Unbound.
        such as? genuinely asking

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Stylistic choices- empty world, shitty music, gimmicky look. Shit like MW2005 and to an extent 2012 may not have played great but people received them well because of the presentation, which was superb. If Criterion can actually into an open world like they did with Fairhaven or Paradise City, put some SOVL(tm) into the game and have good music, NFS can be one of the best racers.

  63. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    How does Polyphony Digital have all of this money to sponsor an entire race series (Nurburgring 24/NLS, D1 Grand Prix, and Pikes Peak International Hillclimb) if racing games are struggling.

    OP is talking about a market sector he knows nothing about.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      pd is owned by sony. all those ads are paid for by sony because GT is a playstation system-seller. try again.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >How does Polyphony Digital have all of this money
      Sony has the money, not Polyphony. And once again, see

      >Uh this one game is doing well so it's a non-issue

      Where's Burnout? Where's Flatout? Where's Wipeout? (another Sony property) Where's Motorstorm? (another Sony property) Where's F-Zero? Where's Crash Time? Why is Need for Speed floundering? Why has GRID been shit since 2? Why was DiRT 5 such a disaster? Why has Forza Horizon not been good in years?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >that feel
        There's no more Project Gotham Racing, Midnight Club, Midtown Madness, Driver, Tokyo Xtreme Racer, Ridge Racer and so on. Crash Time was also cool, and an 'anime' themed racer like Auto Modellista would be popular if it came out now. Outside of the 'sim lites' such as Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo the genre is basically dormant.

        Biggest reason why I have so much distaste for Horizon.
        Compared to something like NFS Prostreet in the same vein with a racing festival, you start at the bottom as a nobody and build your reputation, forming rivalries along the way.
        In Horizon it just feels like you're the untouchable MC and there's no real trials you have to face and no rivals you create, everyone is buddy buddy with you

        The original Horizon wasn't like this at all, you started from nothing and slowly had to grind for cars as you'd have actual rivals talk trash and eventually challenge you to a 1v1. I hate what it's become now

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can't believe Microsoft did nothing to save Bizarre Creations from the clutches of Activision. Then again, even if they did, they'd have just rolled the studio into fricking Playground Games because PGR and Forza would be cannibalizing each other anyway.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Some of them got to Evolution Studio and worked on Driveclub....

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              The devs are all over the place. Some work at Sumo Digital, others at Turn 10 and PGG.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bizarre were pissed off at Microsoft because Microsoft wanted to keep an October date for PGR 4 to make sure it was out for the holiday season when Bizzare wanted a few more weeks for polish and a November date. Especially as Bizarre felt PGR 4 was coming out too soon after the almighty behemoth that was Halo 3 as well. There was just a lot of bad blood that influenced Bizarre to sell to Activision when Activision had almost landed the Formula 1 deal and needed a studio for it

            Some of them got to Evolution Studio and worked on Driveclub....

            Not many jumped to Evolution. Most went to Sumo Digital and worked on Sonic and All Stars Racing Transformed including the lead designer of the PGR series.

  64. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Racing games arent dead. You guys just hate that Forza is the most popular series right now.

  65. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Desire for realism

  66. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I would kill for a new Midnight Club.
    I WILL kill for a new Midnght Club.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Midnight Club sucks.

  67. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Chasing realism. People want to be able to control the car not feel like they're someone without a license driving for the first time.

  68. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just be more on the lookout for good games. Not that hard, though the racing genre as it stands is still pretty sterile. The games that I can throw at you to fill this void are Circuit Superstars, art of rally, and Inertia Drift
    >Pic source: Redout 2

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      *Inertial Drift

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The games that I can throw at you to fill this void are Circuit Superstars
      I own this game, it's trash.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's alright, usually just for a relaxing casual minutes

  69. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I dont wanna race ferraris and lambos
    I want a chiped 1998 320d vs 1996 opel omega

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >t. boomer that's upset people grew out of racing supercars on boring highways
        Sorry you can't accept the fact that tuner car racing games BTFO your rehashed highway ferrari racing game, why don't you relax by playing Outrun for the 20 thousandth time, old man

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          What the frick did you just fricking say about me, you little b***h? I'll have you know I graduated top of my racing school class , and I've been involved in numerous time trials on Laguna Seca, and I have over 300 confirmed laps. I am trained in advanced off road driving and I'm the top driver in the entire US . You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the frick out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fricking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fricker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fricking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can beat your lap time in over seven hundredths of a second, and that's just with traction control disabled. Not only am I extensively trained in circuit racing, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the FIAs and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fricking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fricking dead, kiddo.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Lumping together MW and Unbound
        Frick you

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Truth hurts I know.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Some gay edited it in as bait
          Ricer + supercar era were both good, though the soul of the early games and their Rom Di Prisco/Saki Kaskas soundtracks that would dynamically change based on track location are unmatched

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            ProStreet should be in a class of its own, very soulful game, and to this day, no other game has come close with its trackday feeling and the absurd amount of announcer comments during and after the races. It certainly has its fans despite its flaws.
            Undercover fans however, simply do not exist.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Undercover fans however, simply do not exist.
              It's a situation similar to wipeout fusion. The soundtrack is quite good in NFS undercover, but the actual game is ass unless you like the shit physics and absurd ways the game can screw you over.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, I'd honestly argue that it was almost too ahead of it's time. People still wanted street racing and police chases, but I feel like a game with it's theme would sell well now.
              It'd have to be made shit in some way, of course

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              As the anon who made most of that image so many years ago, I agree that I was too hard on Prostreet after giving it another go years later. The handling is wack and I stand by that, even with mods, but the overall tone of the game is totally unique and it has oodles of details and soul that people miss because they skip past everything with MY MAN, RYAN COOPERRRRR. I wouldn't call it my favorite game, and doubt anyone else would, but it's undeniably more good than bad (it handles better than PC High Stakes, at least).

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            ProStreet should be in a class of its own, very soulful game, and to this day, no other game has come close with its trackday feeling and the absurd amount of announcer comments during and after the races. It certainly has its fans despite its flaws.
            Undercover fans however, simply do not exist.

            I actually did enjoy ProStreet and Undercover.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            HP remake and The Run were fine. But really, i saw more diehard fans of Pro Street than people who are even aware of Shift and Shift 2. Weird list tbh.

  70. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    People grew up and moved on to the thing that would emulate reality as close as possible, the rest were normies who never cared for cars, racing and being fast.

  71. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sims and arcade sims. Boring, repetitive, samey, unindpired, no sense of speed, same tracks in all games.

  72. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I want to go back

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >seeing a cool car and then noticing Cr:--

  73. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Any games that can give me some decent fog?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      GT7 had nice water spray before they nerfed it for compgays

  74. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >No more fun arcade stuff, crashy arcade or rally games
    >no more wipeout, Fzero
    >no more car combat stuff
    >no more TXR or touge games
    >Just formulaic GT and Forza slop, 2 initially great series who forgot how to be good again

  75. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Devs these days only focus on the graphics and the technical aspect that only the most hardcore fans will care about
    also most racers look so similar these days that people got shocked with Need for Speed Unbound

  76. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Games development grew too big and very complex. Racing games lost their edge mainly because of that + real life interest in cars has dropped because people now are more concerned about making their ends meet together.
    Nowadays to make a good racing game you need to do shittons of engine work to get everything working right AND you have to invest a lot to get models right through mocap with laser-scanning to not make cars and tracks look like joke.

  77. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Will Gran Turismo ever come to PC?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's in the nvidia leak so probably

  78. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    YEAH
    I PREDICT AN EARTHQUAKE UP IN HERE

  79. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Time.
    Same with RTS. Some game genres only work in certain eras. We're trending toward games that do tons of shit in mediocre ways. Seems one of the few genres resistant to this "hybridization" are fps games.
    Otherwise you're playing an open world crafting system with light RPG elements game.

  80. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    i honestly don't understand the hate for forza horizon 5. it's fun.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      as a game it's functional(well,sometimes anyway),drives well and looks gorgeous but at the same time progression is non existant and the writing has the personality of stale bread

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The biggest issues are the world map being devoid of any additional content like bucketlists, the characters are INCREDIBLY ANNOYING, and all the forced talk about Mexican history is to desperately hide the fact that the location itself has FRICKALL related to car culture.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      people look at the missions and conclude that the entire game is shit.
      it's very easy to avoid them, there are like 5 exclusive cars locked behind missions and most of them are shit.
      progression is eh but tbh there's no good way to handle progression in a game with 700 cars.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >progression is eh but tbh there's no good way to handle progression in a game with 700 cars.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          GT4 is an inferior product anyway
          Polyphony mastered their craft with 3 + GTConcept 2002 and then started their backwards slide with each release shittier than the last

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            except progression sucks ass in GT3 even with less cars

  81. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Supercar wank.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Damn, The Need for Speed on the 3DO killed racing games? Good genres die young it seems.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Earlier than that, even.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Did Ferrari ever sell the TR as a convertible?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            They officially made a single one, but several companies modified cars into convertibles at the request of owners, including Pininfarina who designed the car body itself.

  82. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Posting car culture

    Appeal to these people, not to themed barcades/craft beer gamers.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      these people want dadsims tho assuming you're an arcade pissbaby.

  83. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The problem is "racing" isn't a genre anymore, nor is it the focus. The focus shifted away from racing and into stupid shit like:
    -"Simulations" and realism
    -Games where you just drive on a straight road endlessly like Need 4 Speed
    -Licensing nonsense

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I just miss kino that was ridge racer

  84. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Love me Gran Turismo.
    Simple as.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even Gran Turismo isn't Gran Turismo anymore. They fricked their own progression and spend way too much time sucking online simtards wiener instead of making a game where you build up your car and skills and go up the ranks.

  85. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Zoomers. They fell for the anticar propaganda.

  86. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >arcadegays b***h and moan about not getting new games
    >new game drops
    >they don't play it
    what gives?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a mid 2000's EA racer

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't tell them anon.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Don't tell them anon.

      Forgot the pic.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Before HWU there was also Project Cars 3, Dirt 5 and a whole slew of indie games like Horizon Chase Turbo and Rush Rally, all of which were ignored by doomer homosexuals who fell for "muh simcade" meme. I spit on them.

        >Don't play Gran Turismo.
        Instructions unclear.

        GT7 being an utter abomination made me retroactively hate everything Polyphony Digital has ever made. What a fricking joke of a company. I'M STILL MAD ABOUT ALWAYS ONLINE.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          meds

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Forgot the pic.

      >kart racers

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >i am just going to ignore the games
        >i am also going to ignore Hotshot Racing, Cruisin' Blast, etc
        Ok.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Published by 2K
      >Forgets the current heavy monetisation climate that the gaming industry is in right now
      Gee, I don't know anon, you tell me

  87. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Play Tokyo Xtreme Racer Zero.
    Play Battle Gear 3.
    Play Side By Side Special.
    Play the Initial D Sega arcade series.
    Play the first official WRC game.
    Play Sonic Robo Blast 2.
    Play Trackmania Sunrise.
    Play Asphalt 9 (unironically).
    Play every single Burnout to 100% completion.
    Play Midtown Madness 1, 2, 3 along with Midnight Club 1, 2, and 3.
    Play every Driver game up to San Francisco.
    Play both Stuntman games.
    Play Need for Speed III with mods enabled.
    Play rFactor (without a wheel)
    Play Drive Club.
    Play Outrun 2006.
    Play Street Racing Syndicate.
    Play Richard Burns Rally with custom routes.
    Play Hot Wheels Unleashed.
    Play GRIP.
    Don't play Gran Turismo.
    Play TORCs.
    Play BallisticNG.
    Play F-Zero GX.
    Play every single DIRT game. Yes, even 4 & 5.
    Play all Project Gotham Racing games along with Metropolis Street Racer.
    Play Jet Moto.
    Play Rush 2049 but only the stunt modes.
    Play CART Fury.
    Play NASCAR: Dirt to Daytona.

    Most importantly, play Enthusia.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Don't play Gran Turismo.
      Instructions unclear.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Play Need for Speed III with mods enabled.
      Modern patch + software renderer + period correct low poly cars (mostly by Ryiji Kainoh) = patrician arcade racing experience

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Play Asphalt 9

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I despise anime posters. But:
      >Play every single Burnout to 100% completion.
      >Play F-Zero GX.
      You're alright.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >you're alright for playing easy shit for kids
        how does Ganker do it

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >t. never got a gold in burning lap

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I did, and just needed to keep the nitro button pressed.

  88. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Car games are dying because car culture is dying. Only Finland is autistic enough to try and keep both alive.

  89. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Microtransactions, awful online features
    I think there is a giant untapped market for a driving game that's cheap/free, fast to download, and easy to get going with friends

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Now someone nailed it. Nowadays not a single skill based genre remains relevant without fun online modes and racing games are abysmal at it.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >What is Trackmania
        >What is iRacing
        The latter is trash but the point still stands

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >What is Trackmania
          yeah, the game where every fricking body cheats, what a good online experience

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cope. Don't even engage with the MP outside of Royal events, just go for author times and quit being a fricking b***h.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cope. Don't even engage with the MP outside of Royal events, just go for author times and quit being a fricking b***h.

            hold up, cheating is a thing in trackmania now? how?

  90. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Corporate greed. Development being focused on graphics, hate speech filters, troony "avatar" customization, and RNG loot mechanics instead of the core gameplay. Millennials and zoomers don't care about cars and prefer shooters like Craving of Dicks, Fortshite, Rainbow Shit Siege, etc. Almost every car made in the last 20 years is a soulless pigfat blob shaped hugbox and anything that breaks the mold is overpriced due to a fricked economy and mandatory garbage safety electronics being crammed into everything (also stupid shit to attract morons, like giant touch screen infotainment systems).

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Development being focused on graphics
      that's every game ever made that isn't indie shit, also cars and tracks and everything else is laser scanned now, it's "free" grafix

      >hate speech filters, troony "avatar" customization, and RNG loot mechanics instead of the core gameplay.
      that's in every popular game right now (and that's a good thing) and racing games have those but still aren't popular like they once were

      >Millennials and zoomers don't care about cars and prefer shooters
      they don't care about guns IRL either, that doesn't make sense

      >Almost every car blah blah
      popular cars have always been shit, trucks are top sellers since forever yet nobody wants to play them in racing games..
      Sports cars manufacturers keep beating sales records yet the racing genre is dead.

      tl;dr your autistic right wing hate speech didn't explain why racing games aren't popular at all.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Sports cars manufacturers keep beating sales records
        ??? no????

  91. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Kids don't dream of buying cars anymore. I don't blame them.

  92. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The big franchises (GT and Forza) have a stranglehold on the licenses and all arcade racers bow to Mario Kart.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The health of the entire genre can actually be seen in those two franchises. They are dying, you don't see as many Forza (mainline) being pumped out at the same rates they used to. And forget about GT since Sony is poorer.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        This, GT used to be big IP material now nobody even remembers it besides Sony boomerfans

        Forza is kicking and the only reason it still sales is because is the only huge MS IP that hasn't shit the bed

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >GT used to be big IP material
          I wonder if the upcoming movie is some wacky attempt to try and regain that status.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Gran Turismo movie
            >Neill Blomkamp
            That's going to fail.

  93. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wish we could have gotten another Split/Second. Power Plays really did add an interesting wrinkle to the racing.

  94. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Basically no AG racers. Basically no actually fast racers. Give me my fricking AG now.

  95. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    simmers ruined it, for every ridge racer there are 127,000 asetto corsas
    simple as

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Absolutely moronic, uninformed, imaginary and dogshit post. 2/10, got me to reply.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        find me one (0ne (the 0 is for zero arcade racers)) arcade racer in 2023

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Find me one sim in 2023

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            literally already did but ok

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              What, Assetto Corsa? An almost 10 year old game?
              If we aren't doing games from 2023 arcade wins by a long shot. If we are doing 2023 sims aren't even in the race

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                there are zero arcade racers in the current decade, no pablo your favorite iOS game doesn't count

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                see:

                here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTlSPuFDTZ0
                now cope seethe and dilate arcadetroony

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I think you mean there are zero good NFS or burnout games. Stop being such a AAA consoomer and letting smaller games die because they're not published by EA

                Ugh, that project had promise. How did it shit the bed so hard? Also, is Wreckfest any good?

                It's not just good, it's one of the best racing games in a really long time

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                but i don't even play AAAs forza is fricking boring

                see: [...]

                those are iOS games

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTlSPuFDTZ0
          now cope seethe and dilate arcadetroony

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >127,000 asetto corsas
      Name 10

  96. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    windows 10

  97. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What will it take to kill this thread from being made again

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      A new F-Zero game, made by the same lead dude who's open to doing a new F-Zero game.

  98. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm waiting for Generally 2 to be released soon. The physics look like shit though, whereas the physics of Generally 1 are perfect.

  99. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically 3d graphics.

  100. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wasting money on shit like simulating road temperature according to the sun position, rather than making the game fun to play.

  101. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Nintendo so opposed to making a new f0-zero?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mario Kart is a consistent top seller for their consoles. F-Zero never draws.

  102. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      examples?

  103. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    God damn, why did so many devs go so hard on the intros?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's Bruno Bonnel's thing, his racing games have memorable intros.

  104. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gran Turismo still works for me.

    I'd like Ridge Racer, Outrun, F-Zero, those massive Initial D arcade setups and Battle Kaido back like the next guy.
    The Western shit can stay dead though.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Unironic weeaboos are rare these days.

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