what makes pokemon stories so bad?

what makes pokemon stories so bad?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    By being the most average stories ever due to being a toddler game
    it's never going to be a deep shit as evangelion or whatever anime kids nowaday watch

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Too many clichés. People just want e-girls and thick-girls.

      It doesn't matter that it's a children's game.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      evangelion is for children

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >evangelion is for children
        t. room temperature iq Black person

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ah, yes....for children...

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          that anon counts teens as children

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            that anon likely is a teen.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      evangelion is for manchildren.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        evangelion is for 14 year olds that just learned about nihilism

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      A game can have a good story with deep themes and still be enjoyed by children.
      An example of that in the same game genre is FF7. A lot of FF7 fans were children when they originally played it and you can tell they love it.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    they take themselves too seriously when it should never be the main focus of a game

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is a big part of it.

      The less ‘cutscene story’ plots and dialogue the better. People liked gen 1’s story largely because it was so to the point and used more environmental storytelling than later games. If a new game did the destroyed cinnabar lab there’d be a group of friends and the champion and the local gym leader in there talking about it with you and repeating over and over what you just read in the scattered notes.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >thinks dark souls is peak storytelling

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          it is

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    masuda is just shit at writing

    gen 1-2 and gen 7+ (except sword and shield) all have reasonably ok stories

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      the stories for gen 1-2 are nonexistent

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's why they're good. Video games are about gameplay first

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Turn-based RPGs basically don't have gameplay.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      SV has a garbage story

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        what gen has a good story then

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Only gen 6 has worse writing. Maaaybe gen 3 too

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he thinks gen 8s dumpster fire of a story is better than SV's

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Let me guess. You're not very smart and are confused by Chairman Rose?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Could you explain to me why? No buzzwords

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, I won't. Even SwSh has more consistent writing. SV is just shit.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm surprised how often Shauna interacts with the player. I expected Serena to interact more but she's all business, and Trevor and Tierno just do whatever at their own pace. I think having the friend group show up every so often in the background, like to cheer on gym matches, would've been cool.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    the player is a blank slate with a completely customizable team, but the stories are a preset sequence of events that play out the same way every time. this means that none of the decisions the player makes can ever have any impact on the story. gen 1 doesn't have the best story, but it does handle its story the best because it at least allows some events to be done out of order.
    that being said, i think people exaggerate how bad pokemon's stories are.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      the protag being a blank slate isn’t a limitation. the pokemon the player has is inconsequential yes, but at least you can make rivals and other human characters create a good story.
      DQ is as formulaic and sticks to tradition as much as pokemon does but pulls off a good story

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >but at least you can make rivals and other human characters create a good story.
        yeah but at that point the player is sitting on the sideline while a story plays out between other people.
        SM's story was shit because I was watching lillie and her family sort out their issues while all the battling was hoisted upon me because lillie was too much of a b***h to train her own mons. i should've been playing AS lillie, then I'd be a lot more invested.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >out of order
      The gyms clearly have a set order, which means you'll be overleveled if you beat koga as your fourth gym, and then go to blaine as your fifth

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        i'm not talking about the gyms you dipshit

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >linear stories... are le bad!
      sad
      gen5 was the peak of pokemon story

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I say in my post that I don't think pokemon stories are as bad as others do. and I like gen 5's story. i was just pointing out the main thing i think is holding them back.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pokemon games are written on a yearly basis by adults who don't care for children they think are stupid, you're never going to get any sort of quality this way.

    The worst problem honestly is they're just utterly incapable of coming up with compelling villains. "We abuse pokemon for our benefit" was fine at first but got real old real quick, and the "we have to save the world from itself" teams consistently come off as completely moronic because the world is never actually shown as being in need of saving in any way whatsoever.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >by adults who don't care for children they think are stupid
      Anon, if anything they overestimate the buyers.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pretentiousness, no substance, the intent to pull "dark stories" just because...

    The story of gen 4 is hilarious:
    >the villain thinks this world sucks and needs to advance
    >His definition of an advanced civilization is uhhhh
    >He wants the legendary pokemon for energy
    >He is going to use that energy for uhhhh

    At least Gen 1 barely worked because the premise was simple:
    >Team rocket steals peoples pokemon, abuses them and practices illegal stuff
    >Therefore stop them

    Gen 5 had a nice topic but ruined by humanist stuff or whatever:
    >Truth vs ideals
    >NOOO YOU DONT GET IT TRUTH IS NOT AS IMPORTANT BECAUSE MY UTOPIERINO
    >Unaware that rejecting the sole concept of truth itself makes your ideology false by default
    >N gets convinced by the player because he won the battle and no rational argument was held
    >Uhmm ackshully I just see that you have a good bond with your poke and well i guess that proves me wrong

    The only thing that saves this is the fact that N was being manipulated and was rather being naive, not evil per se.

    Gen 3 story:
    >Le water
    Lets not even talk about it

    >Gen 2:
    >Gues whos back
    Whatever.

    Gen 7 story:
    >Maniac woman wants pokemon from another dimension because of power or something
    Cant even remember what her core motivation was, but at least the cutscenes were cool as heck.

    I havent played gen 6, 7 and 9 so idk what happens there.
    I dont think it is hard to make an interesting story that even kids can get. When simplicity and substance meet each other, things work

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Cant even remember what her core motivation was
      Searching for disappeared husband made her insane to the point she forced her daughter to dress up like a jellyfish idk

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wasnt her husband just chilling in some island with colored beans or something.

        I always assumed they simply separated because he did not agree with her and her plans, but they were still married

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Wasnt her husband just chilling in some island with colored beans or something.
          Well yeah but sadly the dude lose his memory which happens to anyone who gets inside an ultra wormhole for TOO long

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            although canonically that didn't even drive Samina crazy since Lillie confirms Samina was still a good mother being simply the nihilego toxins

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              Alright so
              >Husband disappear
              >Lusamine gets depressed
              >Lusamine tries to open an ultra wormhole
              >Nihilego drugs her
              >Becomes batshit crazy
              >Forces her daughter to dress like a jellyfish
              >Nihilego is the mastermind behind all this
              >Meanwhile mohn is eating beans on his tiny ass island after the memory loss

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                You summarized why the plot is shit because even the game mentions how much Samina's affection is non-existent being more interpretation fans the closest thing is the ultra scene where Samina sees monh and nothing else in the end everything is sorry Samina was Medusa bad bw plot will be as shitty as sm's but at least it doesn't try to put a good light on N and his father and even bw 2 N is trying to make up for her mistakes with N team plasma while samina is victimized

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        and it's a shitty piece of writing since monh never appears and it doesn't even matter, sm he only minimally mentions it and even with that it is never said that it caused abusive treatment, something that is not explored either and we even know that it was jellyfish and her neuro toxins that made her like this

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but you haven't given an actual reason why that's bad writing.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            well first all the tragedy of. the story aether is because of the disappearance of husband samina who has 0 attention 0 traits and barely mentioned sorrows for little you would feel nothing in the past samina nor would you invest in her story then they throw bad dialogues at you lillie spent her childhood and how bad it is for years of this so that everything is resolved by power of friendship even though you try to sell this as something dark and the game not only makes Samina completely one-dimensional but does not try to redeem her with many neurotoxins or talk gladion is basically 0 left in the plot even though it should be as important as lillie

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              I wont argue with someone who even after the type:null thing still plays the spanish translation.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                I said he has 0 contribution to the plot, don't talk about his pokemon, the guy is just a device to suck the protagonist's balls and say how incredible he is.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I havent played 6, 8 and 9*

      I might watch youtube videos for that tho

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, and we don't know from the memorial link that N still believes that Pokémon should be free, but it can be true that your thoughts are also true, and not all Team Plasma were bad. There were members with a truly noble desire. Apart from that, I remind you, N in the original versions was losing his mind. until you defeat him

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>He is going to use that energy for uhhhh
      for the bomb, moron
      >>N gets convinced by the player because he won the battle and no rational argument was held
      N gets convinced by seeing people bonding with pokemon and supporting each other, including the player. he has the dragons fight because he doesn't know what to believe, he's looking for some sort of sign to guide him.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>the villain thinks this world sucks and needs to advance
      At the end of Platinum he admits he just wants everyone to be miserable like him

      >Cant even remember what her core motivation was, but at least the cutscenes were cool as heck.
      She's essentially being possessed/mind controlled by Nihilego, which feeds on her desire for her dead/missing husband. Nihilego is actually based on a parasite called toxoplasmosis that secretes a neurotoxin and causes prey animals to seek out their predators, which is pretty neat

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you're going to criticize something you should at least have some understanding of it. Gen 1 is the only story you described accurately and I bet it's because of the Ashnime.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I never watched the ash anime.
        And yes, i vaguely described the stories

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 4's story is how dangerous Incels are to society and the only way to fix them is let them have sex

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Games being rushed + lack of demand for better stories.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're an adult expecting a kids' series to have engaging, enthralling adult-focused plots. Go play SMTV: Live and you'll find the story starting to cater to people your chronological age.

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >gen 1&2 you actually are a Pokemon trainer
    >gen 3+ SAVE DA WORL CHOSIMBA ONE

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >make a simple but interesting story about an old king who stopped a war by absorbing the souls of thousands of people and pokemon, killing countless all for the sake of bringing his best friend floette back to life, who naturally hates him for it. He spends 1000 years living as a depressed giant trying to atone for his sins

    >LOL HES BASICALLY PLOT IRRELEVANT BACKSTORY, THE REAL BAD GUY AND PLOT IS ABOUT THE CULT LEADER FASHON MAN TRYING TO USE THE SOUL EATING MACHINE BECAUSE “IT WOULD BE COOL IF MOST PEOPLE DIED LOL”

    What the FRICK were they thinking?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      So, you're suggesting XY shouldn't have had a core antagonist?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Im saying az should have actually been a part of the story, and lysandres motivation should have been something sane instead of lol kill everyone lmao

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          would’ve been nice if we actually got to see Zygarde play a role in the plot too

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I hate that the side stories are far more interesting than the main ones.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      gen 6 was the jump the shark moment for stories they had to go

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not really. It's just another copy of Gen 3.

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    SV's story was good cause it had a new director. The old one just had the position of cause seniority and had no fricking clue what he was doing.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    They're too humancentric because the writers think Pokemon are dogs.

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    stupid electric bees that served no purpose

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    They tend to be unfinished, rushed and half-baked.
    A prime example of this is swooshie.

  16. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Early Pokemon games had very few character arcs if any. They let the player discover the world at their own pace, and the human cast had very simple writing. Some people liked things this way. But Unova was a more linear game that put the human character arcs at the front, to polarizing reception.

    Paldea has finally a winning formula, with open world progression and 3 optional stories that culminate in a cool finale. Giving something to people who want to explore, and people who want more out of the characters. It’s just too bad the actual game is glitchy, badly programmed and blatantly unfinished.

    Maybe in Gen 10 they’ll finally get it right, haha

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >"I WILL DESTROY YOU AND ESCAPE TO THE FUTURE/PAST"
      >loses a pokemon battle
      >"on second thought lets be friends lol byeeeee"
      Why would losing a single pokemon battle towards the end of the game stop [villain] from [doing bad thing]?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >He doesn't know

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        You didn't play the game.

  17. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    (You) posted it, it’s the stupid forced legendary climaxes
    Chairman Rose was the most forced

  18. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    The writers and programmers being on different wavelengths
    The player always being victorious to move the narrative along

  19. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    best thing about SV's story is that there's no forced villain. It even subverts the "AI becomes evil" cliche because even the AI is smart enough to realize the professor was a moron. It's like the polar opposite of gen 8 where they had to force Rose to be a villain out of fricking nowhere just to contrive le ebin climax with the legendaries. Pokemon stories work best when it's just simple character driven shit.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >where they had to force Rose to be a villain out of fricking nowhere just to contrive le ebin climax with the legendaries.
      Are you moronic?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you?

  20. 3 months ago
    Notabot

    Only good stories in the series are Gen 5, Gen 7 and Gen 9

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Gen 7
      Yeah, no. Gen 7 makes Gen 6 look like a masterpiece even with the fricking awful pacing XY had. At least in XY the villains had justifiable reasoning supported by the game for what they were doing even if it was moronic.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Brainlet filtered

  21. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's the fact that there is basically limitless potential interesting things they could do, yet they always fall into the same tropes over and over again. It is always, without exception, "youth conquers evil adults by mastering Pokémon". There has never been any story other than this.

    I don't know why there aren't any games where you just play directly AS the Pokémon; why there aren't any more deeply nuanced games about adults; why there aren't questions as to what Pokémon actually are; etc. They stand out as exceptionally bad because it's hard to frick up a story where almost anything you do is bound to be interesting, and yet they frick it up every single time.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't know why there aren't any games where you just play directly AS the Pokémon
      Mystery Dungeon?

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Those games suck shit though.
        I mean play as a Pokémon doing what that Pokémon would naturally do.
        Pokkén was better in that regard but still just arbitrary colosseum fighting.

        Let me give an example; imagine a mainline Pokémon game where you send your Pokémon into battle, and suddenly you're controlling that Pokémon like it's Devil May Cry. No orders given by a ten-year-old; you just fight as the Pokémon. That's it. Simple.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds gay

  22. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it's a game for children

  23. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Game Freak

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