What was the Emperors plan for dealing with the Mechanicus?

What was the Emperors plan for dealing with the Mechanicus? Their religion doesn't seem to fit his endgame but he set it up so that his entire war machine relies on them.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >"I dunno, I'll take care of it later I guess."
    If Warhammer 40k was a strategy game, the Emperor was the guy whose entire strategy revolved around an early game rush before everyone else was ready, and it mostly worked, but now everyone who survived is strong enough to hold their ground against him.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What’s to deal with? They struck a deal, the mechanicus cooperate with the imperium and in exchange get to be autistic at a scale never before seen. They can basically do whatever they want

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      His ultimate goal of evolved super humans is a bit at odds with the everything they do.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not at all.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, and no.
        Super human could be a super cyborg or it could be a technocratic gestalt mind connected through technology spanning a warp network so advanced that even daemons can not infiltrate.

        Who knows what the ultimate form of humanity could be?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This misunderstands the nature of the posthumanity the Emperor foresaw and is in the process of coming into being. Surgical mutilation is not the determinative factor, psychic awareness is - and it's this burgeoning awareness as humanity evolved into a psychic species that the Emperor sought to guide.

          Uniting humanity, ending its dependence on the warp and suppressing superstition with the intent of isolating the powers that dwell there from their principle source of sustenance - worship - was meant to insulate humanity from the spiritually corrosive effect of Chaos. Exterminating aliens in favor of a human supremacy throughout the galaxy was a side benefit but, outside of Imperial propaganda, was not the primary goal.

          But the window to do so was narrow after the fall of the eldar because the birth of Slaanesh had spent a lot of the warp's fury. Everything had to be accomplished before the next celestial conjunction brought Chaos back to its full potency, but like most prophecies whatever you do to prevent or forestall it is ultimately responsible for causing it to come to pass and the Great Crusade gave Chaos precisely the tools it needed to plunge the galaxy into the forever war it's been embroiled in ever since.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I disagree. While the animistic and simplistic nature of the Emperor's early life may have led him to favor an intrinsic and enlightenment based idea of human supremacy, I feel that if the Techpriests of Mars could have found a way to shut off the worst parts oft he Warp while expanding consciousness and still allowing FTL, defense against other species, and access to the benign aspects of the Warp, he would have taken it.

            Emps seems to have been a man with a vision, but also one to adapt that vision at need. He was willing to use whatever was at his disposal while also trying to limit the damage his nebulous path could inflict. See the Webway and his mistakes there.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Super human could be a super cyborg or it could be a technocratic gestalt mind connected through technology spanning a warp network so advanced that even daemons can not infiltrate.
          Imagine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >muh ultimate goal
        Nu41k is garbage. Get your head out of James' ass.

        Emps had managed to place himself as the deific figure of their religion to a significant amount of the Mechanicum in a short span of time. If the Great Crusade had continued as it had been meant to, the Imperial Webway completed, and Magnus shoved on to the Golden Throne, Emps could properly shape the Mechanicum into something more fitting to his vision while quietly removing what he deemed unfit.

        Also, this. Whatever the God-Emperor's plans, he's the Omnissiah. Much like the Foundation that the Mechanicus was based on, they would likely have been reformed.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nu41k is garbage. Get your head out of James' ass.
          This has been his clearly stated goal since the Rogue Trader rulebook.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If he treated his sons as a tool/product, then he'd probably consider the Mechanicus as his factory. As long as they did what he asked of them, then he would likely let them continue as long as they didn't impede with Humanity's expansion.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you believe the subtext then th Mechanicum and Astartes were supposed to destroy each other, the Emperor would then destroy the survivors with the Imperial Army. He had little respect for the Martian Priesthood but never had the resources to fight them without crippling his expansion.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    unfortunate accident that deletes mars and seals the dragon forever once the crusade is finished. take direct control of the remaining mechanicum with some fresh omnissah wonders as soon as magnus is nailed to the throne and you got the needed spare time.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Emperor gets so much undeserved shit it's unreal.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair the emperor has been depicted different ways by different authors, but most prominently by Aaron “It isn’t daddy issues” Bowden, who insists on depicting the E-Man as a raging bloodthirsty maniac completely devoid of empathy because he rides Chaos wiener day and night.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine having no reading comprehension. ABD is the most charitable depiction of the emperor what your describing is how Ian and Dan portray him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Was Bowden raised by a single mother by any chance?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a story that exists as an excuse to have plastic army men fights and it's bizarre that people take it so seriously.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Taking it seriously is fun. It's not hard to understand.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Emps had managed to place himself as the deific figure of their religion to a significant amount of the Mechanicum in a short span of time. If the Great Crusade had continued as it had been meant to, the Imperial Webway completed, and Magnus shoved on to the Golden Throne, Emps could properly shape the Mechanicum into something more fitting to his vision while quietly removing what he deemed unfit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This was already happening as well, there was already a schism in the works between the hardline zealots and ones who are becoming more and more secular and rational. Issue arises when the Heresy happens since the rational side declared for Horus since he promised to remove many of the limits on research, and this turned into stuffing daemons into things in no time. With that last bit I can only wonder if GW has a thing for making the imperiums zealotry seem like the most rational option since anyone who tries to break away from it goes full chaos eventually.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Explain technology to the public so they become obsolete.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Replacement.
    In the Black books the Emperor used the time spent on the webway project on Terra to also create smaller circles of non-mechanicum science types, which were each responsible for various secret "next gen" projects. The Psi-Titans and Leviathan Dreadnought were two examples of such designs with zero mechanicum oversight.

    The Mechanicum became aware of this when they begrudgingly shipped a bunch of Warlord Titans to Terra, only for a bunch of unregistered Psi-Titans to consequently appear on various battlefronts. It's made very clear that they saw the writing on the wall, and that their fear of replacement was one of the main reasons Mechanicum elements sided with Horus during the heresy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Really the Emperors biggest flaw is that he underestimated the intelligence of eeryone else beneath him. He didn't forsee astartes, primarch and the mechanicum figuring out they would be discarded once their use to him was finished. It would be an unfounded fear if he didn't show that is exactly how he deals with things no longer useful to him when he wiped out his thuner warriors. He tried to cover that up but I'm sure that harsh example was in the back of everyones mind as the Great Crsuade drew to a close, since the Thunder Warriors like the astartes and admech were utterly crucial to the Emperor until the day they weren't and were destroyed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >He didn't forsee astartes, primarch and the mechanicum figuring out they would be discarded once their use to him was finished.
        He. probably also didn't foresee the Age of Strife, Birth of Slaanesh (until it was upon them), primarchs getting whisked away, etc. A lot of later stuff tries to make it all part of some grand plan, but it's more like trying to patch shit up to a point where everything isn't complete shit, rather than meticulously building a 10,000 year empire. In RT marines were a plan B after the primarchs were lost. They were never part of his original design. His alliance with Mars was out of convenience, as they had the factories and information of the wider galaxy (Mars had sent ships during the Age of Strife to human colonies with limited success). He just adapts to the situation. Like how he now sits on the Golden Throne and tries to keep humanity united and has even adopted parts of the Ecclesiarchy via the Sisters to serve his ends.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          huh you know it makes a lot more sense that Big E was just constantly changing plans to deal with whatever he faces rather than working towards some grand goal
          >Emperor wanted god-like generals for his armies, lost them
          >Comprimise is to remake some of their superhuman powers as physcial organs to make human super soldiers
          >Slap on some power armour for them like you did you Thunder warriors and Custodes because thats the culture on Terra during the Age of Strife
          >Plan B experimental soldiers are the ones that win you your galaxy and define your legacy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >rather than
            Uniting lost human worlds to give us a fighting chance was the goal. Emperor's been alive for tens of thousands of years and even more before that as the shamans. Their only goal is to work for humanity's best interests as they see it at that time. After the Age of Strife, he knew that the faster he unites lost colonies and builds up defences, the better chance humanity has for defending itself once the rest of the galaxy gets their act together and starts expanding as well. Considering all the dangers they encountered during the Crusade that they barely managed to deal with, imagine humanity having to deal with them without being united with god and anime on their side.

            If Horus hadn't turned, in time the Emperor would've probably "died" and over the centuries edited history to just make him out to be another conqueror among others. I wouldn't be surprised if he had done it before.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Emperor's been alive for tens of thousands of years and even more before that as the shamans
              Thats just his propoganda, the Emperor is some weird biological specimen/weapon from the DAoT that Malcador broke out of a lab/discovered and activiated. Hell he might literally be the Omnissiah and be some union of tech magic and biological gene science the admech made in the DAoT. We have no reason to think he was born on Terra or found there

              To the contrary. An atheist destroying his own culture while helping an alien religion take it over is almost prescient in its accuracy.

              >alien religion
              unless you live in the middle east Christianity and the abrahamic faiths are also weird foreign faiths. Unless you worship a faith your people created you're worshipping an alien god

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He literally is not a DAoT weapon and I don't know why morons like you keep parroting that he is.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                its pretty much a case of somebody reads to much into a throw away line and runs with it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't the Speranza say something about it?

                I think the HH books make it clear what he is but if anyone knows the truth the Speranza would.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It says nothing of the sort.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Read Saturnine. Erda met the Emperor “in the time of the first cities” when he went by the name Neoth. Your theory, spawned from a throwaway line spat out by a traitor who was trying to throw off the Custodes chasing him was a fricking lie, shockingly enough.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >taking adnett Bl slop as canon
                Those guys say themselves that the whole HH series isn't hard canon and just one account of events, Erda isn't some bizzare ex-wife of the emperor, the perpetuals aren't real let alone his former generals in the bronze age or whatever, and the astartes are not named after some random guy named astarte

                He literally is not a DAoT weapon and I don't know why morons like you keep parroting that he is.

                Its not any more moronic than the Emperor being some being that has existed since the dawn of humanity (if a bunch of shamans sacrifced themselves at the same time to make him, why havent other groups of shamans or relegious people also sacrificed themselves to make othe Emperor like beings?)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >muh not hard canon
                Your argument invalidates your own claim, because if nothing can truly be said to be canon then your pet theory is just as much bullshit as anyone else. More, even, as you have exactly one line, from one person, a traitor at that seeking to sow doubt among loyalists, as the basis of your bullshit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >then your pet theory is just as much bullshit as anyone else
                Yes anon its as equally valid as your claim, thats 40k theres mutiple contradictory views of the same event or person
                >a traitor at that seeking to sow doubt among loyalists, as the basis of your bullshit.
                We know literally nothing about that person beyond he said that quote let alone being hunted by custodes, also the idea 'hes a traitor so nothing he says could possibly be true' is a truly moronic take the CSM in 40k often have a more clear view of the Imperum and nature of the Emperor than loyalist astartes do. Stop being a defensive moron

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >crazy person rambling about how the Emperor created the pariah gene and astropaths in a lab is somehow the canon explanation for everything
                Anon, please...
                >why havent other groups of shamans or relegious people also sacrificed themselves to make othe Emperor like beings?
                Like Eldar phoenix lords, who carry the souls of their predecessors? The Emperor was not some grand design, it was the best the shamans could come up with. They didn't have technology to build an infinity circuit to protect themselves from Chaos.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >why havent other groups of shamans or relegious people also sacrificed themselves
                The Eldar did literally fricking this to create Ynnead you tremendous moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's kind of sad how that entire arc just kind of fizzled out to nothing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it sucks to not be space marines.

                I clearly meant humans you fricking homosexual

                Way to move those goal posts.

                Yes.
                [...]
                Because they were being eaten by demons. Is this not common knowledge, or am I misremembering? It's been so long, I might be. Like a third of the original were eaten.

                Different versions of the story have been told, HH, realm of chaos, Ian Watson, etc… lots of peoples version of “common knowledge” conflicts.

                Extra powerful for what? For the lulz? The frick is even the point of him anymore? He's just 40k Goku now?

                Fight chaos? You know the thing that was eating the people who made him?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the thing that was eating the people who made him?
                When they died, their souls would go into the warp from which they would find new bodies to be reborn into, like many powerful psykers. Like how Eldar used to do it. With the growing power of Chaos, this was in danger. If they were perpetuals, this shouldn't be a problem, since none of the other perpetuals we've been introduced to have been in danger of getting eaten when regenerating from death.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I clearly meant humans you fricking homosexual

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >clearly

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's kinda what Ephrael Stern is, except the Shamans were all Perpetual Psykers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was 700 normal SoBs though

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes.

                >Shamans were all Perpetual
                Then why did they have to combine their souls into the Emperor?

                Because they were being eaten by demons. Is this not common knowledge, or am I misremembering? It's been so long, I might be. Like a third of the original were eaten.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Because they were being eaten by demons.
                How? OG shamans used the warp to transfer their souls to new bodies, but Chaos threatened this and they had to find a way to life forever. Perpetuals already live forever, so what exactly was the point of combining their souls?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Perpetuals probably don't live forever like what you think. You probably don't want to hear this, but Erda referred to the Primarchs, all of them, as Artificial perpetuals. Maybe the process is somewhat incomplete. We do know the Emperor's soul is fractured not because of the fight with Horus but because he's constantly dying and being resurrected on the Golden Throne. So, anything that can effect a soul could theoretically kill a Perpetual, or to put it another way, Perpetuals are not meta regenerative, they must have something to regenerate from i.e. a soul. End and the Death books for sources.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Perpetuals probably don't live forever like what you think.
                So what is the point of putting all the souls into the Emperor, if he's not suppose to live forever?
                >they must have something to regenerate from i.e. a soul
                Did the perpetual shamans not have souls then? What did they put into the Emperor then, if not their souls?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I feel like you're being deliberately moronic, and I do not appreciate it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So what is the point of putting all the souls into the Emperor, if he's not suppose to live forever?

                So he's extra powerful, you dingbat.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Extra powerful for what? For the lulz? The frick is even the point of him anymore? He's just 40k Goku now?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Shamans were all Perpetual
                Then why did they have to combine their souls into the Emperor?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                BL is canon. You can pretend it doesn’t exist but it does. And it’s the best canon coming out right now. Are you gonna try and convince me Arks of Omen is better than the Seige series?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >BL is canon
                Only for tourist and tranies.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mars had all the surviving infrastructure and knowledge base needed to equip and maintain the Great Crusade, and any military victory over the Mechanicus would have been Pyrrhic. It would take too much time, too many resources, and the gains would be minimal. Thus was an accord made, and the Emperor never got the chance to finish the job.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Once he had the Webway sorted and didn't need to frick around with Navigators any more, the Mechanicus was probably next on his list of things to fix. But they weren't the most immediate problem, and they weren't spiraling, so he let him sit.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he was going to do the boil frog approach, some of the books did show before the outbreak of heresy there was the implication tech priests were starting to adopt the imperial truth (at least their own version)

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He didn't have one. It's the same blind spot he had with the primarchs leading to the dark mechanicus.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The same as most people's plans for anything. Deal with the problem in front of you and hope something comes up.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To the contrary. An atheist destroying his own culture while helping an alien religion take it over is almost prescient in its accuracy.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno ask /hhg/

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Many in the Mechanicus called him the Omnissiah itself. I feel like techno-enhanced beings would be easier to deal with. Just virus them or something.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought it had been pretty much accepted that he had decided dealing with mars at the beginning would set back his expansion plans so much it would threaten the very idea of repeating the human empire. mars and earth were evenly enough matched there was a real chance both sides would send each other back to the stone age. it was much better to use their construction abilities to jump start the expansion and once he had conquered everything he would collapse on any remains of the Martian empire that hadn't converted in the meantime.

    when did that stop being the accepted idea?

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Step One: Conquer as many worlds as fast as possible
    >Step Two: Make deal with a faction with already existing infrastructure and knowledge
    >Step Three: Deal with it later

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seems more and more like the Emperor was running on a "I'll get to it later" policy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know that warp frickery meant that once Slaanesh was born, Slaanesh had always existed, but I wonder if the pace and urgency of the Crusade was also due to an element of "oh shit, now there's four of them."

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After HH we know Big E is non verbal autistic edgelord with no understanding of human race so he had no plans whatsoever.

    Before HH, we dont know its all mystery and it should stay that way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Here's what I don't get.
      So in ancient past a bunch of natural psykers on Earth decided to get reborn in one entity, thus creating the Emperor.
      Now considering the population of Earth than and how rare psykers are, there must've not been a lot of them to pool their power together and get that going.

      In the current 40K time, there's an infinitely larger amount of psykers out there, but let's focus on the ones loyal to the Imperium. Consider how vast the Imperium are and how the training of psykers is far more advanced than it was back in ancient days, what's preventing the Imperium from rounding up a significant number of them and making another Emperor?
      If it was done once then it can certainly be done again, and to make sure it's done right only the most loyal should be a part of the process. Considering these kinds of projects are usually done over millennia in the Empire, then it stands to reason they'd be careful about it and do it right and so on...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >whats preventing the Imperium from rounding up a bunch of psykers and making a new emperor
        that is something a group of Inquistors attempt to do, however the reason why it hasn't happened yet is fairly straight forward, the warp has gotten far far far worse, when the shamans did it, it was a time before any of the chaos gods were even awake so the warp was still relatively calm even if daemons were already starting to manifest due to the aftermath of the war in heaven, in other words unless you have an exceptional case it will most likely just result in swarms of daemons eating those souls before they can merge into a new entity

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it was a time before any of the chaos gods were even awake
          Thats incorrect, gods existed before war in heaven. Old ones made webway for that reason. They were just not bothering with humanity because we were cavemen on one planet.

          For me whole shaman story is nice version for loyalist to belive in like Santa.
          Perperual shamans make even less sense because it would mean that somehow on this one random planet there were fricking loads of them in times psykers werent common like in 40k AND same planet managed to produce Blanks too.
          Emp as DAoT weapon sounds more solid and fits more in to him being sperg with no common sense but it makes loyalist seethe hard.
          I liked Emperor more before HH series, each new book make me like Erebus even more and he was fricking butthole.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Thats incorrect, gods existed before war in heaven.
            While this is true, it is also true that the various chaos gods didn't awaken until far later. Stop trying to apply linear time to the warp. They only exist before the War in Heaven after they awakened. Each god does have a specific point they awaken, for example Slaanesh being created by the Eldar, once Slaanesh was created than Slaanesh always existed. Both ideas are true at the same time even though they are contradictory.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There's a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh in Scars that repudiates "always" existing, it remembers coming into existence with Slaanesh in the Fall and tracks it like a linear timeline, especially the times when it gets summoned.

              There is thus some level of acccesion to linear time in the Warp, presumably in part because BL-tier writers don't actually understand how to write non-causal entities and in part because they don't understand just what non-causal will result in when interacting with causal, being not particularly scientifically minded individuals. So their, and BL's, reaction is simply to go "lol it doesn't make sense because CHAOS GUYZ".

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Slaanesh always existed
              Correction, Slaanesh has never existed. Also, 6e Daemon codex changed it to be more subjective with Slaanesh always having existed as far as the other gods were concerned, because they have no sense of time.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why do these beings that exist outside causality not fit within a timeline governed by causality?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Thats incorrect, gods existed before war in heaven.
            While this is true, it is also true that the various chaos gods didn't awaken until far later. Stop trying to apply linear time to the warp. They only exist before the War in Heaven after they awakened. Each god does have a specific point they awaken, for example Slaanesh being created by the Eldar, once Slaanesh was created than Slaanesh always existed. Both ideas are true at the same time even though they are contradictory.

            >why do these beings that exist outside causality not fit within a timeline governed by causality?

            >Slaanesh always existed
            Correction, Slaanesh has never existed. Also, 6e Daemon codex changed it to be more subjective with Slaanesh always having existed as far as the other gods were concerned, because they have no sense of time.

            Assuming that we're talking about WH40k and not nu41k, what really gets me about the War in Heaven and the Birth of Slaanesh is that people are moronic enough to take the accounts of the Eldar at face value. The Eldar, knowing that the universe is mutable and having had (and arguably having) deities that they shaped into eldar form and interacted with both physically and metaphysically, do not separate between mythology and history, and it wouldn't make any sense for them to do so. All their accounts are veiled in allegory and legends, however true. The "Birth of Slaanesh" might as well just be the birth of Slaanesh as a concept within their culture, and cannot, under any reasonable circumstances, be a singular point in time in which everything within the warp which constitutes "Slaanesh" as a would-be entity within the collective unconscious gestalt that is the Realms of Chaos.

            To say that "Slaanesh" did not exist before this point in eldar mythology/history is to say that no living thing had the concept of excess, or the concept of sexual degeneracy, or even simpler things, like the concept of pleasure, which no doubt falls largely "within" Slaanesh. It's so monumentally fricking stupid that it makes me low-key seethe that people just "Ah, yes, this is when Slaanesh was born". No, you fricknut, that is when the Eldar became so degenerate that their collective psychic field resulted in a devastating event that pulled aspects of the warp centered around the concepts relating to this degeneracy into realspace, conceptualized as Slaanesh, heralding the fall of their million-year-old civilization.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >all writing on Chaos and the Warp prior to Imperial scholars is done by Eldar
              >also, all Imperial writing that agrees with Eldar is a psyop.
              Anon, please, take your meds before you hurt yourself.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You'd have a point if there wasn't a book from Fantasy that also confirms the story that Slaanesh awoke due to the Eldar. Just because the concepts exist doesn't mean they were fully awaken as entities in the warp.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Except in question.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You also have Realm of Chaos outright say it. In the novel Farseer there's a daemon who existed before Slaanesh was born and hid aming them to pour fuel on their fire to birth Slaanesh.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what's preventing the Imperium from rounding up a significant number of them and making another Emperor?
        Chaos. And you'd need a body capable of housing all those souls. Not any rando will do. Not to forget the shamans were united in their goals to help humanity. Do you really think taking a bunch of random humans from across the galaxy, ones who've lived under the Imperial boot and rounded up onto Black Ships to get taken for some mental waterboarding, and forcing them into the same body is going to create something that's not another Horus with the power of Magnus?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >and to make sure it's done right only the most loyal should be a part of the process

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Loyal like Horus the warmaster, given the authority to speak with the Emperor's voice? Shamans had generations after generations to get to know each other and form their bonds, to unite in their goals. And they did it out of their free will. They were not persecuted mutants beaten into submission by the state to create a replacement figurehead for the government to puppet.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Warp is too unstable to repeat the process now, they'd get eaten halfway through the process before they can complete the reincarnation. That's why the Eldar did it in the Infinity Circuit, since it's isolated from the Warp and Chaos can't get there.

        If the Imperium had access to a similar system to the Circuit, isolated from the Warp where they could perform the process, it would absolutely be possible to repeat it. Assuming you found enough strong-enough psykers who were able to combine their knowledge and power. Most of the Black Ships psykers get winnowed out for Grey Knights, for example, so what's left is likely to be the dregs.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Emperor
    >plan

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer the thought that whatever his end game for the Imperium was, it would mean leaving the factions he didn't want to bring with him in the dust squabbling over an empire in ruins beset by enemies.

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