What went wrong?

What went wrong?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People bought HR.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Waaaay too short.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the same as HR if you do the sidequests lmao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      for some obscure reason I have 80 some hours in this game but I never finished it, in fact I barely remember what it's like

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not enough irl conspiracies

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like how they been making fun of Alex Jones.

      *giggle-snort*

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        don't tell the zoomers there was a faux-alex jones radio station in the game they'll try to get it pulled from steam

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ironically, the in-game Alex Jones is right about everything.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's not ironic

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Square Enix.

    They forced the game to be cut short
    They forced crunch to speed up the dev time
    They forced shitty things like Breach that no one even wanted to play (still never played it to this day in all the times I've replayed this game)
    They had to scale down a lot of things obviously like Golem City, which should have been its own hub world instead of a linear level.

    A game with tons of potential ruined by a greedy published. Thank god SE no longer has the rights to Deus Ex.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Breach
      The only thing I don't like about breach is that card system that boosts score multiplier
      For casual play through I cant get a score high enough to progress sometimes since I'm not willing to buy more cards

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Thank god SE no longer has the rights to Deus Ex.
      SE is a circus full of clowns but do tell who got the rights to Deus EX?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Eidos Montreal

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Embracer group actually, they bought a bunch of IPs SE was selling off.

          They own Eidos Montreal though and there's rumors they're working on the initial stages of developing a new Deus Ex game, but it's just rumors, nothing has been confirmed.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not in development. Jensen VA had an ama about year ago or so. He was not working on any DE projects

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There are rumors about a new Deus Ex game and even the rumors concede that the project is VERY early in development, as in, still in the concept and planning phases. The other anon is right; Embracer just got the rights, so the timing would make sense that the project would still be very early on since they just got the rights. We're still ways away before any voice work would be done.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The other rumor is that it's a reboot. He may never get that call.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I honestly wouldn't be surprised, and even expected that to some extent. Mankind Divided did almost zero to further the plot toward connecting the series back into the original Deus Ex, so they would have a lot of ground to cover in this third game if they were still intending to keep it as a prequel trilogy. To add to all of that, it was already a struggle in HR and MD to get mainstream normies to know or care about characters like Lucius, Manderley, Dowd, etc. I don't necessarily like it, but a reboot seems incredibly likely at this point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't it the case that Jensen's games are a split off from the timeline that leads to Deus Ex 1? I thought I read that somewhere...

                Because otherwise it doesn't make sense, does the world just forget about the aug incident and subsequent subjugation of all augmented people in the 23 years between MD and DX1? Keep in mind, Paul is an agent with UNATCO for around the last 10 of those years (he starts about 10 years before JC starts).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Isn't it the case that Jensen's games are a split off from the timeline that leads to Deus Ex 1? I thought I read that somewhere...
                I don't know what you mean by a split-off from the timeline. I'm pretty sure the "Jensen games" are just supposed to be a direct prequel. It has some of the same characters, institutions, etc. as the original game.
                >Because otherwise it doesn't make sense, does the world just forget about the aug incident and subsequent subjugation of all augmented people in the 23 years between MD and DX1
                I guess, which is another reason why it was so silly for MD to focus SO HEAVILY on the fallout from the aug incident. What I think they were going for, though it may not have come off as well in the final game as they originally planned, is to explain why there are almost no mech augs by the time of DX1 aside from a few like Gunther and Anna. Mech augs are far more common in Jensen's time (think about how many people are just randomly missing an arm or a leg and have augs), and then perhaps as a result of the aug incident and fallout, fewer people got augmented

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I swear I've heard one of the game designers referring to it as the "Deus Ex multiverse" in an article, as in Jensen's games are like prequals set in another universe, so they would never actually connect regardless since the events before Deus Ex 1 in that universe/timeline would have been different. It doesn't matter if the characters are the same, that's the concept of a multiverse. It's like an alternative look at what could have happened before the first game, and it's canon in that other timeline/universe.

                >What I think they were going for, though it may not have come off as well in the final game as they originally planned, is to explain why there are almost no mech augs by the time of DX1 aside from a few like Gunther and Anna.
                It would have been cool if they did something preceding the Northwest War. Like all the augs are gone not because of a chip override eventually leading to Utelek, etc, but because they were all forced to fight in this war after going crazy, and they all got killed or something.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, are you high? The "Deus Ex Universe" was a big marketing push before MD came out where they made several Deus Ex comic books, novels, a mobile game, etc. and tied it all together under the name "Universe". They also had "triangle codes" in MD that you could scan that did... something? Is that what you're talking about?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, don't be rude for no reason. I just said I thought I remembered reading in a typed interview, someone who worked on the game specifically referring to the Deus Ex multiverse regarding tying all the lore together. I think the interviewer was asking him about whether the games connect? I don't really remember, I'm trying to find it now.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think anyone's ever said that outright.
                Objectively, you'd almost have to draw the conclusion yourself though, since HR/MD is just ridiculously higher tech than DX all around. Even IW looks rather primitive in most respects by comparison, other than nanotech being far enough along to make doomsday weapons.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Prequel tech looks flashier but its its clearly established that nanotech is supperior

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >triangle codes
                These were pretty sweet, though they've killed off the mobile app that went with it. What you'd do is scan the triangle code with the app on your phone, and it would play some cool shit. Developer interviews, dev commentary, that sort of thing. I think they ended up publishing public links to the soundcloud and youtube channel they used after the app shut down.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think MD and the Panchea Incident do a fine job of explaining why mech augs are almost non-existent later on.
                >augmentation is increasingly affordable and available to just about everyone, though there are still some kinks to work out
                >the elites of the era decide to put a stop to this because it's putting the average citizen far too high on the pillars of power
                >convince Hugh Darrow to work with them, completely destroy the reputation of anyone augmented, scare the population off of ever wanting or using augmentations
                >eventually they die off or just generally aren't in any of the locations you see in DX/IW
                >augmentation is replaced with nanomachine augmentation and only available to the elites and their agents, same held true for the rare few holdover mech-aug agents

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think real-life events have posed significant difficulties for any team hoping to make a Deus Ex prequel that bridges directly into the original. If the story introduces the Grey Death and Ambrosia it will be seen by many as an anti-vax parable, and thus a danger to impressionable minds. The Texas conspiracy radio material that found its way into the original game and helped to shape its themes would be met with hostility today, because it sounds like that great enemy of public decency, Alex Jones.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frankly as much as people hated the prequel storyline, i want them to at least finish the story, always hated cliffhangers personally. Unfortunately, like you said though, reboot is more than likely at this juncture. The writer has moved on to another studio too so it's pretty much settled.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can get different writers. A good team who are fans of the series could do well.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Mankind Divided did almost zero to further the plot toward connecting the series back into the original Deus Ex

                Absolute bullshit, MD was specifically conceived to make the HR setting compatible with the first Deus Ex.
                It basically corrected the "everybody has implants" issue, it gives Illuminati a central role, it formally introduces Bob Page, it sets the basis for the formation of UNATCO, you even work for Manderley.

                I hope they make a sequel but I'd be ok with a proper Deus Ex remake.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wouldn't. I personally feel the original game needs a remaster that updates the graphics and voice acting.
                The gameplay, level design and story are already perfect and a remake, regardless of how well it's made, would just offer a lesser experience.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >OG Deus Ex
                >level design is already perfect
                lol, lmao
                That being said, game doesn't need a remaster in our cursed age, maybe just Remix graphical overhaul

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >maybe just Remix graphical overhaul
                That's Revision

                Trusting Ganker on its hateboner for the mod was a huge mistake, it's actually a great way to replay the game while still making it feel fresh. Lots of unexpected additions (even extra missions), new lighting ad textures, level design overhauled; it restores the exploration aspect that's lost after your Xth playthrough.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The gameplay, level design and story are already perfect

                No they aren't, the first Deus Ex was crippled by time and money constraints. Multiple routes and choices scrapped, recycled hubs (instead of new ones), no female protagonist...

                In a perfect world, they could make it right with a remake.
                If Embracer really wants to go big with a proper 2077 rival (no matter the budget), there could be a chance.
                But this shit never goes the way it's supposed to

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >proper 2077 rival

                That means open world shit, and we hardly need more of that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                MD is already more or less open world and it turned out fine

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mankind Divided's style of open world is much better than those giant open maps with nothing in them. This was more smaller hub areas with a lot more detail everywhere. Much better and infinitely more interesting.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just make the three hubs bigger and fill them with extra content, add another hub and voilà.
                Hub based open world games are already getting more love than actual open worlds, and you can still use the buzzword for marketing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bro I'm playing the first game unmodded right now and it is far from perfect lol. Stealth kills as a mechanic just seem broken entirely, you can randomly one shot guys from behind but 9 times out of 10 it doesn't work. Not that there's actually a reason to bother with stealth, just lean out from a corner and headshot everyone with the pistol. The economy is fucking nonsense. Hey man I'll give you 5 lams for SEVEN THOUSAND credits which you could only have if you haven't spent a cent all game, or how about a map to a building with 3 floors and nothing in it for 2000. A problem that exists in this and every other game like it is that certain routes just invalidate every other option. Like there's no need to to sneak in the mj12 Hong Kong base because you can just hack any computer in versalife to make everyone friendly.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >/vpol/ threw a tantrum because they can't separate the plight of oppressed augmented people from real world racial politics
              >retards trashed the game and the developers for shit the publisher forced
              >it's been 7 years and we haven't got the rest of the story
              >unintelligent creatures got filtered by the story not being too complex and not having enough hollywood actors

              They wouldn't necessarily begin contacting legacy VAs in early stages of development.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and they still ran over budget and needed more sales to make profit
      it was a clear case of bad planning and mismanagement

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I liked it
    It had too little moral choices but plenty of pathways to progress

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is the first game where the pre-order marketing was so annoying I had a "lol fuck you" reaction and lost a significant amount of interest in the game. (I don't pre-order games and rarely buy them until a while after release, I was just turned off by it.) That, and I heard the performance on PC sucked. And I played through Human Revolution six or more times so I should have been the target audience.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unfinished.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It turned out to be on the money for actual irl happenings and as such hit too close to home for many.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No Delara romance

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Illuminati plant

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She was hot even though she was pretty obviously the snitch

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How about no bitch.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like if she was really a spy who was trying to keep an eye on Jensen, she would want to try to get close to him through a relationship

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly, it would be really fitting

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Adam would be retarded to romance her, after Megan. If (when) he found out that she works for Manderley, he'd start assuming every woman who looks at him twice is a plant.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw no Aria romance

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What was the point of this character?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Stand by the shooting range and distract you from the fact that best girl Faridah wasn't even mentioned in the game.

          In reality, she was the only other augmented person working at TF29 and she provided a minute amount of lore when she described her difficulties getting approval to return to work, despite her track record.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Stand by the shooting range and distract you from the fact that best girl Faridah wasn't even mentioned in the game.
            She was, in Adam's apartment there's a cereal box with the quadcopter you used in HR and a note to you from her.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes but you have the chance to ask Sarif about Pritchard and Megan, which has no consequence in the game if you do or don't. Why couldn't we also have the opportunity to ask about Malik, your co-worker who was the only one who didn't gossip about Adam upon his return to Sarif Industries, who asks for your help on behalf of a friend, who shared nicknames with you? Fucking weird.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Presumably because you're in contact with her yourself (off screen) and don't need to ask.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then why wouldn't he talk to her at all in the game, hear from her, get an email from her, mention her to sarif even, etc

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No idea. I get that you're working for a different organization now, but replacing Malik and Pritchard for a bunch of new characters that nobody ended up giving a fuck about was a bad move. The supporting cast was some of the best parts of HR and they got almost entirely written out. Fucking baffling

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        patrician taste

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only good girl is the AI girl

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rather play Cyberpunk 2077 for a thousand hours then ever play MD or HR again.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good gameplay, the problems are all found within the narrative elements.

    >no memorable new characters except for that guy on the Special Forces team who gives you a hard time, but only appears twice, and the serial killer bitch, who is part of a side quest.
    >The storytelling is overly plotty, heavy on exposition, and generally confusing. I couldn't tell you exactly what the terrorists were trying to achieve with their bombing attack in the finale.
    >If a story is difficult to follow it is also difficult to care about.
    >Jensen looks like he is wearing foundation in this game. He looks like George Michael's long lost brother.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What was the deal with the golden mask guys again?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's extremely painful to remove them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They saw the flaws in the golden order and sought to correct them, but were branded heretics and poisoned.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Were they not just the tutorial level

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They didn't want to settle things peacefully, that's it. They seemed more motivated by getting revenge on the normies

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The murder investigation part was so fucking cool, I wish it had been longer or repeated.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >being klepto jensen stealing everyone's shit
        >walk into apartment
        >mfw bearskin rug
        Although it was disappointing that you can't resolve the quest early even though you can figure it out just from that detail

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >bearskin rug
          what?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The serial killer sidequest. There were animal hair fibres on the victim that came from the killers rug. Haven't played MD since release but im pretty sure it was a bear

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jensen looks like he is wearing foundation in this game. He looks like George Michael's long lost brother.
      I've heard a few people here complain he was over-stylized in MD. It looks especially worse than HR because he is so much more detailed than every other character, it just looks off.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        look at those fucking cheekbones. between Jensen getting even more jrpg protagonist makeover and all the different villains' grand plans not making a lick of fucking sense it really feels like some squeenix suits put tetsuya nomura in charge or something

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          YES BUT HAVE YOU SEEN HIS CHEST
          EVERYBODY LOOK AT HIS CHEST
          IT'S WHERE MOST OF THE BUDGET WENT

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Good day, Gordon Freeman.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The absolute GREAT NEWS is that the lead writer fucked off to Bioware. The only hope is that they get the ones who wrote the Prison DLC. That's how you write twists and compelling characters

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The only hope is that they get the ones who wrote the Prison DLC.
        Wasn't that worked by the same writer though?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was made by the B team. They had two games and the best writting in it was by far in a DLC, how could they fail so bad?

          No idea. I get that you're working for a different organization now, but replacing Malik and Pritchard for a bunch of new characters that nobody ended up giving a fuck about was a bad move. The supporting cast was some of the best parts of HR and they got almost entirely written out. Fucking baffling

          I don't get the love for Malik and Pritchard. They are remembered fo dly because of nostalgia or visial appearance. Their personalities were bare bones.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pritchard wasn't sucking Adam's dick all the time in the first game, that's why. They rifted off of each other.
            Malik was just a sweety. Sweet pea.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't get the love for Malik and Pritchard. They are remembered fo dly because of nostalgia or visial appearance. Their personalities were bare bones.
            Correct

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he didn't try and save Flygirl from being killed in the ambush

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Save her and then nothing, she has neither character nor scenes nor dialogues.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That's how you write twists and compelling characters
        I couldn't tell until quite a while into the game whether the dude with the gummy bears was a good guy or not it was crazy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Even then, it is pretty ambiguous if he's an evil mastermind or a simply victim of his environment lashing out.
          2 fucking games and and nothing comes close to this ending. I'm still mad

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In my mind I simply remember that as the canon ending to MD main game and I can sleep at night.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it is pretty ambiguous if he's an evil mastermind or a simply victim of his environment lashing out
            I felt really bad at the helicopter scene, once or twice has Adam had a dialogue option/approach I hadn't considered, and it throws me off. When you had the chance to bring him with you, and Adam basically can say "you're not good but you don't belong here", it really made me rethink my choices. That's the mark of a good RPG.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was made by the B team. They had two games and the best writting in it was by far in a DLC, how could they fail so bad?
        [...]
        I don't get the love for Malik and Pritchard. They are remembered fo dly because of nostalgia or visial appearance. Their personalities were bare bones.

        I don't get the dick riding for that DLC. It's fucking horrible and the twist can be seen a mile away.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The character motivations are ambiguous. The intrigue is well established and there are multiple player choices. Watch again the ending video, the intonation, the subtle tension, double meanings and so on. Nothing like this in the main games.
          > the twist can be seen a mile away.
          Which one? There are many

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jensen looks like he is wearing foundation in this game. He looks like George Michael's long lost brother.
      I've heard a few people here complain he was over-stylized in MD. It looks especially worse than HR because he is so much more detailed than every other character, it just looks off.

      look at those fucking cheekbones. between Jensen getting even more jrpg protagonist makeover and all the different villains' grand plans not making a lick of fucking sense it really feels like some squeenix suits put tetsuya nomura in charge or something

      It's bogmentations

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he bought it? activate the chip.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's a travesty that MD never had a moment like this where your paranoia against all game sense is vindicated

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            he bought it? activate the chip.

            I got the chip installed in my playthrough, even though when I got to the clinic I fucking knew something was up. I just went ahead with it anyway. Later I found out not doing it just makes it harder in a certain fight? Feels like it should have been the other way around if that's true, it should have been harder if you got the chip because they could do worse things to you. Not getting the chip, you're just impacted by their Havana syndrome signals.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you are mistaken, the chipo makes the fight much harder. don't you remember the cutscene where she presses a button and your augs go haywire, and you have to do an entire boss fight like that? if you didn't get the chip, it's a normal fight and there's an entirely different cutscene where she presses the button and is shocked because nothing happens. one of the most gratifying moments in gaming for me because I didn't read it in a wiki or anything I just didn't trust the chip and put off getting it and it actually paid off

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay, I misread that wiki page then - ya, it was pretty tough with all the glitches, I couldn't imagine it being any more challenging, but it was fun. I knew the chip was a bad idea, but it did stop the random signal pulses prior to the fight and it made it pretty interesting.
                I misunderstood the earlier anon then, who was talking about wanting to feel vindicated for being paranoid in MD (or was that you?)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                indeed that was me

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    stealth games are boring

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s why MD should be played lethal loud trust me it’s more fun

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your mom copulating with your dad

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing, it was a good game. Level design are some of the best in its genre.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, it’s actually the second best DX game outside the first

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, it’s actually the second best DX game outside the first

      Based MD appreciators

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what went wrong
    Absolutely nothing, it's maybe the greatest open world game ever made and is definitely the best immersive sim ever made.

    Even with square doing everything in their power to destroy it with shoved in multiplayer nonsense, it is still an incredibly dense and fun game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >multiplayer nonsense
      Can you still do multiplayer and why haven't we done this yet

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The truth about what happened to Jensen put me off from even seeing what happens in the next game. Plus it was way too short.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Explain. Are you talking about the clone theory? That's literally just a fan theory, no proper truth was ever revealed in the game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If I remember correctly if you hack or sneak into a certain vault in the bank you can find a vat inside with a glowing liquid, if you position the camera right you can peek inside to see Jensen's head and torso, that matches real Jensen stripped from augments.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but yes, that's what he's talking about, and there's no "vat" or glowing liquid. It's a small box with a tiny window that is mostly frosted over, and from what you can see in-game, it's not certain that it's Jensen. You either have to no-clip inside the box or otherwise pull the asset to see that it's Jensen, which means there's no telling if it's supposed to be an Easter Egg, a reused asset, or an actual plot point to suggest that Jensen may be a clone. It's all fan theories until we (maybe) get confirmation in the next game

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I checked it when I was playing through and you must be right about the details, I can't remember that well. I do remember that it clicked for me not with stuff on the internet but rather just the emails and plot within the game. I would dismiss it as an easter egg since it would be mixed signals within their own game but I could also see it as reused assets on a severly crunched game. It just gave me the impression that's what they were going for since that would give a timeline for the months Jensen spent missing and his miraculous "survival" after HR ending, coupled with his planned meeting with the secretive good guy who the baddies want assassinated being a cliffhanger.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You just have to throw a grenade at it and you can see the face clearly in the after flash for a few seconds. Enough time to make out the Jensen details.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >white man with goatee
              >omg it's adam

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If I remember correctly if you hack or sneak into a certain vault in the bank you can find a vat inside with a glowing liquid, if you position the camera right you can peek inside to see Jensen's head and torso, that matches real Jensen stripped from augments.

            >which means there's no telling if it's supposed to be an Easter Egg, a reused asset, or an actual plot point to suggest that Jensen may be a clone.
            i'm playing HR for the first time and just like the original deus ex i have to austistically hack everything to make sure I 100% explore every single level.

            there's a computer terminal in HR that explicitly states jensen was adopted at 5 with no data on his parents.

            JC was a clone too, of course adam is some glowmoron clone

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              if you do his questline on HR the old black lady will tell you that adam's parents, meaning the people that picked him up weren't his actual parents but adam was the only one to survive a series of brutal genetic treatments to make him not need nu-poz.
              the point that MD adam is a clone could be seen from everyone because they pulled some equally retarded shit on DX1 by the time of IW.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >i'm playing HR for the first time and just like the original deus ex i have to austistically hack everything to make sure I 100% explore every single level.
              Except it was done much more sparingly in the original. In HR there are literally multiple rooms that contain ten hackable computers at once.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the fucking police station. every god damn desk in the office floor has a hackable computer and you basically have to shoot up the place to access them all

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sort of, you have to use one of the vision augmentations to see the outline of the box under some other boxes, and also launch a grenade at the window and you see it for a split second if you squat right over it.
          It's entirely personal opinion who you think it looks like, it's a distorted, waxy looking model with a beard that's cut off at the shoulders. You don't see any liquid or glowing anything though.
          He never mentions seeing this box or "person" to anyone, it's like an Easter egg.
          imo it doesn't prove anything, it's entirely likely someone or some organization would try to clone Adam for any number of reasons. They've had his DNA since White Helix, when Adam was a child.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's not just that but the whole discussion between Jensen and his former boss over the TV heavily implies that. The vat in the vault is another and the whole double Jensen facing each other in the main menu or wherever it's found also alludes to this. Fans put together this theory but they just connected the dots that were already there. It's a very solid theory.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "Or at least the ones I had installed into Adam Jensen did" was such a weird fucking line, it is like he knew he wasn't talking to "his" Adam.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And he concludes with something along the lines of: some conclusions you have to draw for yourself. He didn't literally say it but it was extremely obvious where he was going with all this.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He could have also been alluding to a Ship of Theseus scenario. Why does he have to be a clone when he could have soft died at the end of HR and had all his augs replaced and maybe mind-altered

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What do you mean "soft died"?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Died" for the sake of the plot, but not really dead, or died with some reasonable way of coming back, basically. Like his Sentinel kept the weakest pulse possible, but he was still so badly damaged that everything had to be replaced, and then they just mind-wiped him.
                Because the end of the Criminal Past DLC strongly implies they did something to Adam's mind, like turned him into a sleeper agent and that they actually want him to find Janus to eliminate him (if it turns out Janus isn't secretly part of the Illuminati, which it was accidently implied he is when the publisher put his fucking unmasked photo on some box art iirc)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's speculation. We don't know for sure. Especially what works and how. If Jensen is a clone then they clearly altered his mind.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's the most plausible theory ever made for any game. Honestly every sign in the game points towards MD Jensen being a clone with implanted memories.
        >the main menu having two Jensens, one with glasses and one without
        >every single augment in Jensen beving brand new and not made by Sarif which literally shouldn't be possible
        >not having the same scars as the HR Jensen
        >Eliza AI telling you that you are not the Adam Jensen she knows
        >the longest and most memorable sidequest in the game is about implanting memories in a different person, down to habits and mannerisms
        >the actual Jensen clone body you can find

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The main menu thing alone makes me think it was a plot point that was supposed to be resolved in Mankind Divided itself and was ultimately cut. It's a meme to say this is half of a game.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            not a meme*

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I said this in another post, but a huge part of Adam's character has been his internal struggle with becoming augmented against his will --> augmented and non augmented Adam "facing off" on the main menu screen.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I thought that plot point was resolved in HR

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                was it? either way it's not like they ever actually address it in any way in MD so it's still out of place if that was the intention

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think something so fundamental to someone's characterization and motives just "resolves" between one game and the next, especially because of the aug incident.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If this were true that image should have been part of HR not MD.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It would have spoiled a significant HR plot point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't matter. HR was the game where Adam was conflicted, that was the best time to use that picture. But they used it in MD instead. See the discussion with Sarif over the TV. There's a whole quest regarding this and the conclusion heavily implies the theory.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the main menu having two Jensens, one with glasses and one without
          This could easily represent Adam's internal struggle with becoming augmented against his will, which is a significant part of his characterization.
          >every single augment in Jensen beving brand new and not made by Sarif which literally shouldn't be possible
          Adam disappeared between HR and MD, and MD proved how easy it is to swap this stuff out. The game also directly stated his augs were tampered with, new shit added, etc.
          >not having the same scars as the HR Jensen
          He also suddenly started shaving his beard with a little V like a fag. Character design could have changed between games/artists.
          >Eliza AI telling you that you are not the Adam Jensen she knows
          She is not the Eliza we know, either.
          >the longest and most memorable sidequest in the game is about implanting memories in a different person, down to habits and mannerisms
          I don't actually remember this, which character was this about?
          >the actual Jensen clone body you can find
          Easter egg, and it's up to personal interpretation if you think it looks like Adam. It looks like Paul too.

          Not arguing, just giving my opinion. There's no proof either way

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Did you read Deus Ex: Blacklight? It all but confirms that Jensen died in panchea and the illuminati cloned him to get close to Janus

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Illuminati did a memory alteration on him, that's why Delera was reporting to "someone" about his mental stability (DLC), and why Adam passed several health checkups on his augs before "something was mysteriously wrong uh oh what are all these new augs" when he saw Koller for the first time in the game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Right at the end Beth Duclare pulls up an image of Jensen's corpse

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it would make perfect sense to try to clone him as the first and only person to not have to rely on neuropazine (was that shit even in the second game?) and based on the secrets you can find about Jensen in the first game they were already up to some similar shady shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the most plausible theory ever made for any game. Honestly every sign in the game points towards MD Jensen being a clone with implanted memories.
      >the main menu having two Jensens, one with glasses and one without
      >every single augment in Jensen beving brand new and not made by Sarif which literally shouldn't be possible
      >not having the same scars as the HR Jensen
      >Eliza AI telling you that you are not the Adam Jensen she knows
      >the longest and most memorable sidequest in the game is about implanting memories in a different person, down to habits and mannerisms
      >the actual Jensen clone body you can find

      How does that work if clones like JC Denton still have to be implanted into a human womb to be born naturally and must go through a normal childhood while apparently cloning tech is advanced enough to create a fully grown Adam Jensen despite being a prequel to Deus Ex?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Could be he's not a clone, but an actual man remodeled to look and sound like Adam Jensen, now that'd be a twist!

        Then again, the cloning tech for Paul, IIRC, was faulty because of how difficult it was to reproduce the nano-accepting body, could be that Adams borg-accepting one was easier to clone later on.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That was for the next game to explain. Maybe it's a different cloning tech not known to all the illuminati or maybe HR Jensen was already a naturally grown up clone like JC, but one from a batch of several identical clones who were tampered to be free of neuropozyne. Or something else entirely. I'd imagine they'd go with the "HR Adam was already a clone" explanation, just to have even more parity with the original game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Could be a prototype for the MiB's in the first game. Could be a case of Venom Snake

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    one hub
    art direction nowhere near as good as HR
    shit new characters, vastly inferior to Pritchard, Malik and Sarif
    shit sequel-bait story, augs lives matter...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      aadaaaaam
      the fruit flies aaaaadam

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Art direction is much better in MD. No more piss filter, characters now have non-freakish proportions, and Prague and Golem City are beautiful

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        MD has legit one of the best art directions of the past decade. Such a shame that the series is basically dead now.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Compared to HR, where everyone had such retarded outfits.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I thought the outfits were fun, but MD hubs really just makes HR look piss poor from a world building standpoint, it was incredible and I wish there was more of it

            ...actually there is, I never played the DLCs are they worth it?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Criminal Past is 10000% worth it, good runtime and it's got the magic of choice. You can choose how you wanna do things at very many points in the game, though I don't think it toooo much impacts the ending.
              System Rift was pretty good, especially because you get some bonus Pritchard interaction, but if you're only getting one get CP since SR is mostly just action you played in the main game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                based I'll prob get both, they're like ten bucks each right now.

                but there's a bundle here with something called The Fall. what the fuck is The Fall?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Fall is just another game in the series, but it's a bad mobile port on Steam. If it's cheaper to get the bundle, do so, but it's not obligatory to play The Fall. It has totally different characters though, if you'd find that refreshing.

                But if you wanna play all the Deux Ex games, buy it, and you could also play Project Snowblind, which was also supposed to be part of the Deux Ex series but never got the title.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >free demo
                you better believe I'm checkin that shit out

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this guy may not be adam jensen but he sure wants to be lmao

                I understand straight copying takedowns and even abilities for a mobile game but why give him the exact same sunglass augs that were so iconic for someone else

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the novel hes from was cool

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Project Snowblind is a sub-par 3rd person shooter, that even with patches doesn't run properly on modern systems.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It runs fine on my Windows 10, regardless I was just sharing the information for anyone who is interested and might not know about the history of the game/franchise.
                Honestly, it was pretty fun for a shooter. Lots of weapons that stay useful throughout the whole game, and iirc almost every gun has an alt firing mode.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >non-freakish proportions
        lemme just stop you right there
        everyone in MD has fucking gigantic heads

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The studio went super woke and did a series of firings and rehirings over the years since they made MD, so there is no way in hell the new deus ex will live up to expectations when more than half of the original developers are no longer there and the leadership was swapped as well. Wouldn't surprise me if the new deus ex will try to ridicule "conspiracies" and undermine the whole lore of the deus ex universe.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You say that like both HR and MD didn't already do that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Of course they will fuck it up, they reduced Deus Ex to essentially "racism bad" in MD when it was literally a goldmine for any writer with a small amount of talent.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think they salvaged it by showcasing that the aug hate was just a controlled opposition front that was ultimately meaningless.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Aughate was justified where the demigods addicted to a monopolized drug can download an OS upgrade to turn them into urban youths.
          Also, whatever the devs were writing couldn't properly mesh with conspiracy legacy of DX 1 and all of the illuminati shit, versalife feels tacked on and retarded, on top of that, the game director was too retarded to understand what the Myth of Icarus was about, that didn't stop him in any way from UUUUUUNGHH ICAROOOOS, AAAAAEEEUUURGHHH I AM ICAROOOOSING WATCH ME DAEDALOOOOS, ICAROOOSING, AH SHIT IT'S THE SOOOOOOOON
          *plop*

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the subtle commentary in Page's reverence for Thomas Aquinas in DX1 versus just putting some fucking wings on a half-naked Adam Jensen in HR and calling it a day

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Aughate was justified where the demigods addicted to a monopolized drug can download an OS upgrade to turn them into urban youths.
          Also, whatever the devs were writing couldn't properly mesh with conspiracy legacy of DX 1 and all of the illuminati shit, versalife feels tacked on and retarded, on top of that, the game director was too retarded to understand what the Myth of Icarus was about, that didn't stop him in any way from UUUUUUNGHH ICAROOOOS, AAAAAEEEUUURGHHH I AM ICAROOOOSING WATCH ME DAEDALOOOOS, ICAROOOSING, AH SHIT IT'S THE SOOOOOOOON
          *plop*

          aug hate was controlled opposition but it was ultimately justified as it happened right after darrow activated the chip, turning all augmented people into detroit morons.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's cool and all, but I'm not buying what you're selling, dig? Sounds far too made up for the express purpose of getting (You)s.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It would not surprise me at all if they gut the conspiracies but I'll wait and see what they do, jesus even HR would give them the "yikes" now for suggesting media and pharmaceutical giants weren't on the level

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    half a fucking game m8

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i put 113 hours into the game before i beat it
      i don't know why everybody skips the content in a deus ex game
      or why this game is given such a double standard

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think they are saying it's half a game because it just ends abruptly with a lot of questions. Not questions that are "left to the audience" either.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i put like 40 into it, and the vast majority of that was meticulously exploring prague ignoring the actual story looting every house and jumping into every balcony.
        that was the most fun part of the game, but it wasn't anywhere near enough. it would need like 3 hubs like that to make it enough with how the lack of plot just kills the game. if you're gonna cut it off for a sequel, and then especially never make the sequel, you're gonna get shit on for it deservedly

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm with this guy, I beat it and did plenty of exploring but never did the DLCs

          I think a big issue with the abrupt ending is that you're not expecting the game to fucking end so you haven't done all your last second exploring yet

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's still a 8.5-9/10 game despite Square Enix actively sabotaging and cutting it short. Criminal Past is an amazing DLC and shows how the team was really improving and perfecting their formula

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't believe I forgot about Criminal Past, that was incredible. Holy shit it was more fun than many parts of MD.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Game ended in the first act, story also sucked balls and went nowhere.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The game time spent in Prague and the Utelek should have been swapped.
    Utelek is more visually interesting, and aesthetically fits the story and genre better. It also would have made more sense in terms of the story, and been much more interesting to explore life and the power structures there, have the chance to participate in the aug black market (do nothing, stop it, or encourage it), escape from Utelek or buy your way out, etc., than setting almost the whole game in boring Prague.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Adam is a clone is a reddit theory.
    >t. average Deus Ex enjoyer

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    immersive sim fandom is dying...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MD is not an imsim.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      MD is a action game with light rpg elements, what are you smoking anon?

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they dumbed it down for zoomers

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I tried to play IW on steam and it crashes constantly, which is a shame because it's got soul out the ass

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Have you tried running it with Visible Upgrade? I've not had issues playing it on Steam with this mod installed.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have not I will check that out, I don't really wanna change the graphics though it looks, dare I say, kino

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Texture upgrade is totally optional, you can just install it for the stability patches.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I actually haven't tried it at all on win10 yet, might as well see how that goes. I see steam communities has a lot of stuff about stability issues and potential fixes. one of them exactly describes my problem; loading screen crashes and claims assigning to a single core will fix

              I distinctly remember IW losing me very early on when I realized all guns shared the same "universal ammo".

              did you miss out on mass effect too

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've never played Mass Effect.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you missed out

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd say that last point for IW is wrong, you can pretty much play to all sides right up until the last second with 0 consequences.
      Though I got to say, when I first started playing IW I wasn't sure if I was gonna like it, but when I got out of Tarsus and heard that light projection ranting about "the legacy of JC Denton".... hoo boy... I got excited.
      And then later, you hear people gossiping about him again at a bar. I'm telling you I was jumping in my seat like a gay jumping bean I live for that shit
      Also IW had that shitty universal ammo system. They tried to explain it away with a Mako weapons monopoly, which I guess makes sense, but it sorta killed my desire to manage my weapons and cycle depending on enemies.
      I did the whole final section (Antarctica and combat at Liberty Island) with nothing but grenades on my first playthrough, because I wasted too much ammo.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >MD, third from bottom
      I recall that scene with the Chinese chick. I was so pissed at Adam for falling for her "damsel in distress" act.
      I was practically shouting at the cutscene that I never would have fell for it if I still had control over Adam, I wanted him to leave because I could see what was coming.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I actually beat Invisible War last month and it was worse than I had expected. I came in with no expectations and an open mind and it was still shitty. It was a legitimately painful experience and made me take a break from video games for a few weeks because it was so bad. Some of the points for Invisible War in this picture are retarded. Mentioning non-lethal like it matters at all in Invisible War is stupid, comparing Invisible War's stealth to Thief is laughable, mentioning lockpicking and hacking is hilarious because they are literally the same thing since they're solved the exact same way with the multitool, and the story does not really change organically based on your choices and alliances, it literally doesn't matter what you do up until the final mission. You can exclusively side with one faction, doing all their quests and favoring their objectives for the entire game, but then just kill their leader and choose a different factions. Choices do not matter in Invisible War. This image is highly disingenuous

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My favorite part was how we were supposed to pretend we didn't know Alex D was Alex Denton despite seeing his growth tank in Deus Ex 1

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I distinctly remember IW losing me very early on when I realized all guns shared the same "universal ammo".

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Make it Mako 🙂

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the only problem in this image is the very first point.
      DXHR is a prequel, DXIW is a SEQUEL to fucking DX, being dumbed down for console peasantry was downright insulting while the prequel that gives small hints to DX1 was made with console peasants as a focus but again, it was a prequel and didn't have massive shoes to fill.
      whoever made this image is a massive gay that never played DX1 and IW right after.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Story explores the fallout of the ending of Deus Ex
      By mixing all of them together and making Denton into a super god or some shit. Fuck off with this shitty meme image. IW is GARBAGE and nothing will ever change that you fucking millennial.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > making Denton into a super god or some shit.
        IIRC the original plan for DX3 was to have JC ascend further into literal Godhood.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine being so utterly devoid of personality you have to be contrarian and defend Invisible War of all things.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The same as the first: bad graphics, bad animations, bad gameplay, awful writing. They also got rid of Sarif's voice actor despite him being half of what makes the first game tolerable.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They got rid of him for some retarded reason too, they said he was obsessed with conspiracies, he also reportedly had some personal objections to the concept of human augmentation but mostly they just didn't have his back when people started calling him conspiracy-obsessed and I wouldn't crawl back if I was him either. And it was all over with the stupid satirical fruit fly video. Which was obviously a joke. They treated him like shit.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IDK. I liked it more than HR. DX1 and MD are my favorites so IDK if something went wrong. Matter of fact I'll just reinstall it to see what went wrong.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mostly the story, especially the missing "real" ending. Other than that I enjoyed my time more with it than with HR. The gameplay is way more polished and the atmosphere is better, too.
    Nothings beats the first one though.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never liked how you have to manually drag bodies and deal with the games' physics rather than just sling them over your shoulder. I've gotten a few killed because of this

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lololol anon you just made me remember something from my first playthrough of Deux Ex 1, when Sandra Renton's dad asks JC to tell her to come home. I didn't understand how to do this, I thought I had to physically bring her back to the 'Ton. So I knocked her out and carried her all the way back to the hotel, but I had gotten in a firefight on the way back and I didn't know an NPC could die in your arms/while slung over your shoulder, so she had gotten shot and killed and I had carried her dead body back and dumped it at her father's feet. When nothing was triggered, that's when I realized she died. Then I thought it was because I had gotten her killed, and reloaded and tried again. No, he doesn't acknowledge you nor her if you bring her back in the early game dead or alive.

      Man, what a great game.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Killed while unconscious on a stranger's shoulder, what a rotten way to die

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the wet lip smack

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing, perfect game with mature, sublte writing. 10/10.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wrong pic

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wrong pic

      >perfect game with mature, sublte writing.
      UNLIKE CYBERPUNK

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The first level where you fly in with the military guys made me think the writing was going to be really bad, but once the game gets going proper I had no major issues with it. I liked the game a lot, but most of the meat is in the side content. Just a shame it ends so abruptly and so many important story threads are left unresolved. I find it hard to imagine that after all this time we'll get a direct sequel but I guess we'll see. I think it's more likely we'll get another soft reboot and they'll wrap up events from MD in dialogue or notes found in the world. Shame.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I struggle to even remember the ending of the game, it feels like when you switch off a movie part of the way through.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No fucking boss fights.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll forgive them after how the boss fights in the prior game were recieved

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You're too late, I'm already MORE than human.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People complained about the boss fight in HR too much they got scared to implement it seriously except for that one guy in MD.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It had 2 but one can be completely skipped because it's a side quest and the other is the final boss. It sucks too because it feels like they finally perfected them to make them more similar to the first game's approach, just more polished.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The whole concept makes zero sense. Augs have such shitty security they just committed a holocaust in a single day and the public has no idea why.
    The correct response is to give augs the choice to remove all hardware or move to an aug-only city. Instead the police is just kind of dickish and forces augs to ride the BACK OF THE BUS SO RELEVANT.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not only that, but if augs are so dangerous why are humans policing them where they are massively outnumbered (Utelek)? You'd figure it would be autonomous and remotely piloted drones, machines, and AI monitoring them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it was seriously so hackneyed and retarded, they treated augs like a race because muh BLM, never once do you hear someone say anything like "take that fucking thing off" or imply that anyone could ever cease to be an aug, no you're just a fucking gypsy and you always will be. they even had one guy who refused to get auged and walked with a limp, yet the ghettoes are full of people with high tech fake arms and legs, they're fucking sleeping on benches and shit. not a peg leg or a crutch in sight, all high quality chrome

      remember in hong kong where they were so expensive and rare that they were literally killing people for them? guys on the street would comment on your tech. every hobo in prague is missing a fucking limb and has a million dollars to replace it for some reason

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        when you get off at the trainstation in Prague is it not a black girl (with augs) who actually says "those anti-aug racists"

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >never once do you hear someone say anything like "take that fucking thing off" or imply that anyone could ever cease to be an aug
        You're not wrong in your post but in MD at least some people were given the choice to de-aug, or move to Utelek, and the most "dangerous" augs were required to be decommissioned or face jail time.
        >yet the ghettoes are full of people with high tech fake arms and legs, they're fucking sleeping on benches and shit.
        I just assumed they got the work done through government programs or worker incentives, etc. (in the first map, there are dead aug workers with drills for hands, they were probably guaranteed jobs with good pay for their working lives if they went for the surgeries). And then it all fell out of favor and became valueless, now they sleep in gutters, etc.
        >remember in hong kong where they were so expensive and rare that they were literally killing people for them?
        Different locations?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's plausible but they didn't do a great job of supporting it in the game, granted it's been a few years and I didn't play the DLCs, so maybe something like this does happen, but hell, give me one guy in a worn out suit saying "I used to be a high paid professional, now I can't even get a job on account of my robo legs", which still doesn't explain why he doesn't just get a peg leg so he can rejoin civil society. the game's whole narrative falls apart if they acknowledge it's reversible for basically everyone with hard exterior augs.
          they could go the route of Malik's style brain implants being harder/impossible to remove, but that doesn't give you a visual cue to the ill treated minorities, and also fucks up the whole premise of the prequel series as to why hard augs went out of fashion and soft augs came in by the time of DX1

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think you understand how people got augs in the first place. It was people who worked for major companies that got augs, think a team of construction workers. The company buys them the augs to make them more efficient workers but they owe that company a debt. Suddenly that company says "we no longer want augs, but you still owe us for what we bought you." Suddenly the worker is out of a job, unhireable in an augs bad society, and even if they got work they would still be crushed by debt. They can't pay to get the augs removed, they're addicted to neuroprazyne, and what good is a man who gets his drill hand augs removed and just no longer has hands? There's no route to rejoin society, so they end up homeless or in the case of many slugs who are pissed about the deal they become a terrorist.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Stupid-ass idea. Buy an exosuit instead and have it run in shifts.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >never once do you hear someone say anything like "take that fucking thing off" or imply that anyone could ever cease to be an aug
        You're not wrong in your post but in MD at least some people were given the choice to de-aug, or move to Utelek, and the most "dangerous" augs were required to be decommissioned or face jail time.
        >yet the ghettoes are full of people with high tech fake arms and legs, they're fucking sleeping on benches and shit.
        I just assumed they got the work done through government programs or worker incentives, etc. (in the first map, there are dead aug workers with drills for hands, they were probably guaranteed jobs with good pay for their working lives if they went for the surgeries). And then it all fell out of favor and became valueless, now they sleep in gutters, etc.
        >remember in hong kong where they were so expensive and rare that they were literally killing people for them?
        Different locations?

        in HK it was expensive because of the triad families + tai young medical.
        on golem city people are suffering with neuropozyne shortages, making them desperate and yeah, some had their augs removed or deactivated, those that couldn't had to be moved to golem city.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >guys on the street would comment on your tech.

          >in HK it was expensive because of the triad families + tai young medical.

          I am just recalling, I think it was strongly implied by the Harvesters that Sarif augs are a lot better in quality and construction than Tai Yong augs, so Adam's augs were an obviously desirable fetch which is probably why people were commenting on them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >those that couldn't had to be moved to golem city
          imagine you are an npc in MD and get a fucking cyberpunk pacemaker to not die and then immediately get sent to golem city

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's the thing, the aug hate reasonably should apply to basically all technology, not just stuff attached to a person. there's nothing stopping the street sweeping robot from flipping out and being five times more dangerous than the robo hand

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The correct response is to give augs the choice to remove all hardware or move to an aug-only city.
      That is a thing in the game and it's called Golem city. Because the government only had enough time to build 1 within the 2 year gap it got overcrowded fast and became a shithole that may as well be a prison.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DX:HR was about Jensen's personal life and character development, which was almost entirely concluded in one game.
    It's an obvious "part 2 of 3" game and 3 doesn't exist, it suffered from having to pick up the pieces and lay them out for the future.
    Also the stupid BLM analogy and making the Australian guy a gay just because.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    square enix a shit

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What went wrong?
    see pic related

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Adam: "Are you suggesting all my augs are new? even the ones you gave me?"
    Sarif: "I'm not suggesting anything. I'm telling you all the augs we ever installed had registry codes. And they're not hard to trace."
    Sarif: "Look, son, all I'm saying is, it wouldn't have been hard to identify you. But for some reason, that never happened."

    Does this imply the Adam we play in HR is dead at the bottom of the ocean, and the one we play in MD is a clone (which is why no one at the facility registered Adam Jensen "still being alive", because none of his augs had registry codes)? Or is this implying HR Adam had every single one of his augs replaced?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hard to say. There was clearly going to be more but the game was very rushed plus people would just accuse them of ripping of MGSV.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > make hacking a full-fledged minigame where you can spam shit and watch data you need endlessly instead of a race against time where you grab the data you need and run
    > make that minigame required for every single electronic lock
    > make all normal locks require winning at this game as well
    Even Invisible War with its questionable design was less annoying.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >instead of a race against time
      aka the most annoying of minigames

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >MD is 6 years old

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nothing. game's fine.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The game ends when it's at best only 2/3 done.
    The rest was really good.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The side quests were more fleshed out and interesting than the main story

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm in the minority here but i'm not a fan with the clone theory MD presented throughout.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a bit of a pointless twist since it's not like Jensen's acting any differently and the old one is dead anyway.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It would fit the main cyberpunk themes of what makes someone human, programatiom vs free will. Jensen being a lab rat is already established. Revealing that he's an artificial tool would accentuate the conflict.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It forced an ending from HR to be real and ruined a fun game experience.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It forced an ending from HR to be real
      Every ending is real, the "canon" one is a blend of the three (four?) endings.
      Just like Invisible War.

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The marketing.
    Ironically, the game mocks BLM cucks.
    Everything ingame is top notch. I mean, besides getting those triangles in the main game that benefit you if you play The Breach, which is meh.

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  47. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  48. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't give a fuck about the plot and Jensen. His story should have been over after HR
    Also it seems like I'm the only person on the planet who didn't like Prague as the setting

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also it seems like I'm the only person on the planet who didn't like Prague as the setting
      Me neither.
      It's too short, too small. There are some stuff in it to discover and read but it is poorly written and boring. Characters are cringy. Racism analogy is too in your face. The Ross critique about cyber augmentations of HR still stands, even more so.

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Im going to play invisible war and you can't stop me.

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nu-developers

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Augment your pre-order.

    Also breach was a waste of development time.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sorry for mobile screenshot, hopefully it's readable. but this is really the core of deus ex for me. small-to-medium sized zones with huge depth, verticality, not quite swiss cheese design but multiple paths and secrets everywhere. it plays on the childlike fantasy of having a secret wall compartment behind your bookcase or a hidden button that opens a door to a staircase leading... somewhere...
    i love the story in these games but even if the story was bad it would be satisfying to just explore these areas

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