What would it take to get Heatran booted from OU?
Would that destroy the tier?
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What would it take to get Heatran booted from OU? Would that destroy the tier?
Levitate
Interesting. I interpreted OP's prompt as "What would cause Heatran to DROP from OU?" Not what would bump it to Ubers.
We're all so unique :3
There's no way to drop Heatran to UU without literally turning OU into Ubers.
Let's be real, in about a generation and a half we'll be there on a power level.
That'll probably happen not too long from now.
I'm amazed Mewtwo hasn't dropped yet, honestly.
Recover, and Magnet Rise
honestly I think the smogongay council actively doesn't want anything (aside from Regigigas ofc) with more than 600BST to be in OU
to keep some credibility in between their stupid decisions, you know
>I think the smogongay council actively doesn't want anything (aside from Regigigas ofc) with more than 600BST to be in OU
that's not the issue, all of the unique bans have been for versatile mixed attackers (Mag, Cinderace, Kyurem) or unwallable behemoths (Urshifu, Dracovish, Garm). Kyurem is the only mon on the list to have 600+ BST, while Urshifu has the second most with 550.
Zamazenta-C with its 720 BST was also suspect tested in OU and was literally worse than all of the above mons.
The Cinderace and Kyurem bans were awful, really pushing the idea that Smogon can't predict.
Heatran has an amazing defensive typing and excellent defensive stats with common weaknesses that cut right through the defensive stats. Offensively the typing is average, with Fire being good but Steel only really good against Fairy (who otherwise can't touch Heatran anyway).
Even if you gave it 680+ BST, as long as it has a defensive spread and ability it wouldn't be too broken. It's guaranteed OU for life until OU finally becomes Ubers Jr
>Even if you gave it 680+ BST, as long as it has a defensive spread and ability it wouldn't be too broken.
Heatran with 100 base HP and recover would no longer be checked by Chansey, Blissey or Toxapex.
Notice the OP post gave Heatran the most unnecessary boosts ever.
>The Cinderace and Kyurem bans were awful, really pushing the idea that Smogon can't predict.
even Garm tbdesu
I think it's more accurate to say that certain Pokemon are just benchmarks.
Mewtwo will never be OU for the same reason Staraptor will never be UU.
Because if they don't have anchor points, every Pokemon would just get pushed down.
It would drop to UUBL because Heatran would rape UU and OU would have to be some really fricked power crept meta. Like so fricked that grassb bug and flying mons can't check EQ and ground spam.
Anyone who says Levitate doesn't understand shit about OU and why Flash Fire is so key to Heatran's utility
And no, Flame Body is a shit ability and only works on meme sets, if it was Heatran's only ability it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is
Defensive wise is way too good on a X4 weakness turning into 0.
Git Gud and stop being 1400 before spouting buzzwords like an butthole.
Post elo. I'll wait.
You're the one who doesn't know shit about OU moron. Almost every team has a ground type because of Regieleki. Heatran having levitate would finally be able to punish ground types without drawbacks
>Almost every team has a ground type
>leaving heatran in against a ground-type
post el0
You posted your low elo, anon.
Just like
predicted.
shut up bkc
>Recovery or a really good steel stab. Scorching Sands would be really crazy
>It gains Spikes and Stealth Steel.
>It gains an exclusive up Flame Body-like ability that resists fighting and auto burns any Mon that touches it
I'm frankly surprised they didn't give it scorching sands seeing as they gave that move to loads of pokemon
Booted from OU to Ubers?
Levitate/Recover/Rapid Spin
Booted from OU to UU? Good lord in heaven i better be dead by that time.
Levitate, because now it doesnt need to use an air balloon as an item, and can thus run something better, like maybe leftovers so it can have somewhat more consistent Eruptions. Now it can belt out hits on Lando without much repercussion, which would immediately make it ubers.
A better heatran in every regard would cause it to drop to UU(BL).
Speed Boost.
Sure, Flash Fire is a better ability for it overall and giving it Recover would make it a lot better but it'd never reach Smogon's ridiculous standards for something to be considered defensively uber so might as well aim for offensive uber of some sorts.
The best way to dropping something out of OU is to remove the things it counters.
Like Seismitoad dropping OU to RU after Dracovish was banned
Heatran is a thing because Ferro, Volcarona, Clef, G-ninetales....
>Heatran is a thing because Ferro, Volcarona, Clef, G-ninetales....
This is just not true. Even without those countered mons, Heatran is still a powerful, solid mon, really strong both defensively and offensively and with a great movepool. It can put a lot of pressure with Magma Storm, Toxic, Lava Plume or even the remote threat of a Scarf Eruption set, so even would-be counters like Lando or Garchomp have to switch in way more carefully than they'd like to. It's telling that one of its best checks (the only mon it needs an specific move for) is itself
>drop from OU
change its steel type to ground
Magma Storm becomes 100% accurate and has the same trapping effect Sandaconda/Centiskorch’s G-Max moves (they keep the target trapped even if you switch out or get KO’d).
A lot of people think Levitate would make it broken, which it would make it great, but nothing OU can’t handle. It’s still allergic to common offensive moves in Fighting and Water, and you’d need to choose between a Fire Immunity for Volcarona, or a Ground immunity for Spikes and Landorus-T.
Making Magma Storm like G-Max Sandblast would be insanely game breaking. So much so that Ubers might ban Heatran too.
Just imagine, your opponent sends out any Heatran check, you click Magma Storm while Heatran is holding Binding Band, and now that target is trapped for 7 whole turns if they don’t have U-turn or Shed Shell, and effective 6 turns if they have Teleport or Parting Shot (since Heatran has taunt).
If they had Volt Switch as their only means of escaping, you can switch to Garchomp or Landorus-T, set up 6 turns worth of boosts, and then sweep. In Ubers, you could Magma Storm+Taunt Blissey, then switch in Calyrex-Shadow to set up Substitute with multiple Nasty Plots.
Recover and Energy Ball.