What's some Pokmon lore you just hate?

What's some Pokémon lore you just hate?

For me it's the "Every Pokémon can shrink" thing that became well known after PLA, but originated in a book from Gen 1 that was only released in Japan.

I just, don't like that piece of lore. It just doesn't feel right and I'm not sure why.

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It's not canon unless it makes it to the games so this is gen 8 lore at best, if we even consider PLA a mainline game that is

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It was mentioned in Platinum too, in Japan.

      >It just doesn't feel right and I'm not sure why

      Because it's dumb, and the implications of it become inconsistent. If every pokemon can shrink at will, they should just become small everytime they want to avoid battles, like a natural, universal form of Minimize. It makes more sense that pokemon can shrink *because* of pokeballs' technology

      > If every pokemon can shrink at will, they should just become small everytime they want to avoid battles
      They already do this. That’s why they disappear upon fainting, and from Gen 6 onward you literally see them shrink when a battle ends.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        That's the standard way to clear polys.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I cannot interpret this response in any other way than a headcanon

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It was mentioned in the western copies too.
        Shit /vp/ KNEW about this shit till you afterbirths came along, because we were playing it and HGSS while waiting for BW to hit Japan.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Seethe more sagegay

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Not your boogyman dickhead. Point still stands, this place understood the lore, till you c**ts grew up and found "le ebin trole 4chins".
            Now I get to see babby bastards cry they were moron c**ts by ignoring the "poké" in "Pokémon" actually stood for "Pocket" to reference how the creatures could shrink down into little balls to be carried around.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >that one of blue with the titty balls
              Man I love pokespe

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Where was it mentioned?
          I've interacted with every NPC and every book or note in game and don't know what you mean.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        not this argument again. If you're taking the "shrinking" animation as canon/evidence, then every animation is canon. If we use your logic then Pokemon don't move during battle except to do the idle and battle animations, Pokemon hop up and down when they double kick, etc. Try again sweaty

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why the frick would you not consider PLA canon when it's referenced in both SV (pics of Laventon and Hisuian balls) and the anime?
      Wait, I know the answer. Because you personally hate shrinking and have to cope.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day obsessed homosexual

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Your argument?

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Pokemon eggs aren't actually eggs is dumb
    It not being the real world anymore is dumb
    Pokemon just replacing animals is dumb

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Pokemon eggs aren't actually eggs is dumb
      You already question every little difference it has with animal reproduction. Them being actual eggs would make things worse.
      >It not being the real world anymore is dumb
      "Nobody gave a shit about these magical monsters that are everywhere until the 17th century" is even more moronic. Even more if you consider pokemon as animals which also requires ignoring animal domestication.
      >Pokemon just replacing animals is dumb
      Didn't happen.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Pokemon just replacing animals is dumb
        >Didn't happen.
        It did. As the franchise has gone on all references to real life animals have been removed and they almost never appear in any sort of official art even though they used to.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >"Nobody gave a shit about these magical monsters that are everywhere until the 17th century"
        Wait until you fond out about real life zoology. And besides in Gen 1 it was implied Pokemon were a fairly recent development, or at least them being common was.

        >Pokemon have existed alongside humans but were exceptionally rarer in the past, and when they were found they were usually seem as monsters, youkai, gods, animals, etc.
        See, easy to explain.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Wait until you fond out about real life zoology.
          animals are literally mentioned in the Bible anon. Humans had them in mind for a while.
          >And besides in Gen 1 it was implied Pokemon were a fairly recent development
          That's just some common /vp/ headcanon, but the zukan where the mention of count Tajiri comes from, and literally fossilmons, prove otherwise.

          >when they were found they were usually seem as monsters, youkai, gods, animals, etc.
          Source?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Often seen swimming elegantly by lake shores. It is often mistaken for the Japanese monster, Kappa.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I congrat you for spending about an hour looking for the entry that might fit your headcanon.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, true. Animals were mentioned in many texts.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Source?
            Anon are you moronic? He was giving an example of how to explain Pokemon coexisting with animals and no one concerning themselves much about them until modern times

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              That's not what the comment was asking for and the discussion was about whether it was possible to coexist without humans not noticing animals existed at all.
              Are you moronic?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >"Nobody gave a shit about these magical monsters that are everywhere until the 17th century" is even more moronic.
        You wouldn't believe how long it took for humans to interact with some animals in any meaningful way. And when even a small rat can easily kill you from a distance, I imagine people would be even more wary.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >You wouldn't believe how long it took for humans to interact with some animals in any meaningful way.
          With every single one of them? All the way up to the 17th century?
          Come on anon.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >every single one of them
            Anon, it took humans around 100000 years for humans to work with dogs in a similar way we do now. That's right, 100 thousand years.
            And you are complaining about a few extra thousand years for animals that are much, much more dangerous. If anything, it should have taken them much more time.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >That's right, 100 thousand years.
              And they weren't aware canines existed during that period? Because that's what matters.

              >If anything, it should have taken them much more time.
              Right, RG should be the first time in History a Snorlax slep in some path.

              Also, I said some, because 99% of the animals on earth are still wild, so we need to cage them in some way for us to get near them safely.

              >Also, I said some
              I know, but its irrelevant. You're focusing on the wrong part of the analogy.
              We're not discussing animal domestication, we're discussing whether it makes sense for humanity to have found out animals existed at all in the 17th century.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                In PLA, you are part of the survey corps because it's a new region being explored, so their pokemon needs to be studied and catalogued.
                >Right, RG should be the first time
                This means that humans in Pokemon are doing a much better job at interacting with animals than we do, since they domesticated almost every single species of Pokemon there is, meanwhile, we got like cats, dogs, and farm animals.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                PLA is le modern continuity.
                And that doesn't prove how it makes sense not to see animals for thousands of years.

                >Its just an entry bro
                Oh, you want more? I have more, in addition to pic related.
                >Elm's statement
                Less than a hypothesis, which he said himself. Still Elm is a clueless monkey who spent his entire life studying breeding and he has never seen how an egg is made.
                >A nameless NPC stating it is more evidence than a sex obsessed poketuber.
                I have no idea who you're referring to, but multiple entries spanning nine generations of games explicitly state about laying eggs.
                If NPCs are never wrong then Dialga is a mythical Pokémon. NPCs are in-universe characters stating what they believe. Pokedex is the game's developers conveying information to you.
                >Yes, but the process of the daycare/picnic eggs is a different thing.
                So you're saying that Polteageist can reproduce in a different way, but no Pokémon in the universe is capable of laying eggs, even if they're literal birds and despite dex entries stating they do? Fricking hell, you're moronic.
                >realgay thinks there were no geopolitical tensions in the 90s.
                You know what I mean, disingenuous gay.
                [...]
                >Chansey lay eggs
                >Goldeen lay eggs
                >Durant lay eggs
                >Nidoran lay eggs
                NPCs are clueless. There is more evidence of Arceus creating eggs than there is of creation of "cradles". The process itself, as you are presenting it, would be impossible not to be noticed. Pokémon involved would need to go around and gather ingredients, put them together, wrap their baby in them, solidify the mass in some way and then be done. A mother laying an egg would take significantly less time than that, and much more sense. Because, you know, plenty of species don't have hands to do the actions above. Assembling a cradle is literally impossible to a lot of them.
                >Pokemon reproduce via different methods
                Yes.
                >The “Pokemon eggs” you carry in your party are [SCHIZO HEADCANON]
                Evidence or frick off.

                > I have more, in addition to pic related.
                The pic isn't describing daycare.
                >Less than a hypothesis
                >its just an entry bro

                >I have no idea who you're referring to
                The NPC who says eggs are a cradle in XY
                >but multiple entries spanning nine generations of games explicitly state about laying eggs.
                In the wild, yeah.

                >Pokedex is the game's developers conveying information to you.
                So are NPCs, and the pokedex also has "its said" claims. You're literally using the same logic used to discredit the pokedex.

                >So you're saying that Polteageist can reproduce in a different way
                Polteageist can only reproduce in one way. Daycare eggs are a different process.

                >no Pokémon in the universe is capable of laying eggs
                Nobody said this

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I have no idea what you are talking about. I thought you were talking about the 17th century because of PLA, but here have a pokedex entry of Gogoat:
                >It can sense the feelings of others by touching them with its horns. This species has assisted people with their work since 5,000 years ago.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I have no idea what you are talking about.
                Then you shouldn't meddle in the conversation.

                Some people here claim to prefer the idea presented in the original zukan that pokemon are something that was around forever but people only started to mind them around the 17th century where Count Tajirin started classifying them.(some even warp this to saying pokemon are entirely new, which is destroyed by fossilmons); and claim to prefer it to the more current approach which is that pokemon and humans coexisted since forever(per the Gogoat entry you copied and PLA, which are modern games made with the modern approach) and I'm positing that the idea that these creatures existed and somehow nobody gave a shit until the 17th century (the old approach) is moronic.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I had no idea what are you talking about because you kept being schizophrenic on what you were strawmanning as.
                How are those two ideas exclusive? Pokemon could have been here since forever, and humans just only started paying more attention to them more recently, as we have seen with PLA.
                Sure, some pokemon like Gogoat we have domesticated far earlier, but what about the rest of the pokemon?
                Reminder that both PLA and that Gogoat entry are recent, and are most likely made with the same approaches in mind. We have coexisted with pokemon since forever AND only recently we have started to approach them better.
                And guess what, this is the same as how WE humans did too. We have coexisted with a shitton of animals since forever, but only some centuries ago that we started actually cataloguing and studying them in a more scientific manner.
                Reminder that Charles Darwin is from 1800, and before that, a lot of people genuinely thought that animals would just simply blink into existence.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I had no idea what are you talking about
                I just spoonfed you Black person. Learn to read.

                >How are those two ideas exclusive? Pokemon could have been here since forever, and humans just only started paying more attention to them more recently, as we have seen with PLA.
                a)That's completely moronic and the animal analogy explained why.
                b)PLA is made with the modern approach, and it outright takes place in a region that not only is supposed to be uncivilized but it also has small tribes that actually handle pokemon and legends about a hero of old that USED pokemon.

                >Sure, some pokemon like Gogoat we have domesticated far earlier, but what about the rest of the pokemon?
                Anon, the old approach goes for ALL pokemon.
                Unless you think Gogoat could be domesticated without people being aware of it somehow, which is 100% possible on /vp/.
                And no, no one is saying every single pokemon should've been discovered and completly studied by the 17th century.

                >We have coexisted with a shitton of animals since forever
                Literally proves my point.

                >Reminder that Charles Darwin is from 1800, and before that, a lot of people genuinely thought that animals would just simply blink into existence.
                I never implied everything about animals was ever known. Learn to read before accusing others of strawmaning.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Since you are obviously too moronic to understand, let me start with this. You are conflating anime lore with the game lore. Count Tajirin is only a thing in the anime, not in the games.
                In the games, we have coexisted with pokemons since forever, but only recently we started actually treating them as partners and not monsters (as seen in Hisui and Alola).
                In the anime, it gets a bit more biblical, with it explicitly stating that pokemons were created after humans were, and were called majuu instead, and were all created by a God. Count Tajirin in the 18th century (not 17th) them discovered Pokemon because despite we living in the same world, we simply lived in different places, but then Pokemon quickly expanded. And there are also mermaids and mermen.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >How are those two ideas exclusive? Pokemon could have been here since forever, and humans just only started paying more attention to them more recently, as we have seen with PLA.
                >a)That's completely moronic
                It's more moronic to assume that people domesticated or befriended every single species of pokemon at the same time.
                It makes way more sense for people to have learned to coexist peacefully with miltank before scyther.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >It's more moronic to assume that people domesticated or befriended every single species of pokemon at the same time.
                Which nobody said was the case.

                Where was it mentioned?
                I've interacted with every NPC and every book or note in game and don't know what you mean.

                NTA, but the special interaction with Lucian and a dialogue with the mother in SM mention it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                This guy all but did.

                >"Nobody gave a shit about these magical monsters that are everywhere until the 17th century" is even more moronic.
                You wouldn't believe how long it took for humans to interact with some animals in any meaningful way. And when even a small rat can easily kill you from a distance, I imagine people would be even more wary.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Special Interaction with Lucian? Like the manor or E4 rematches?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >some even warp this to saying pokemon are entirely new, which is destroyed by fossilmons
                The early Gen 1 and 2 Japanese handbooks actually say that Pokemon are a recently discovered phenomenon that are slowly replacing ecosystems, hence why the Johtomons were such a big deal and why no one seemed to have documented them. Fossilmons in that paradigm suggest that they've been around all this time, but were in some form of hiding, intentional or not.
                Personally my schizoid theory is that they're rapidly replacing animals by warping time itself, which is why no one bats an eye in the later games, and why animals are never mentioned again.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I literally made the first translation anon. It says they started to be catalogued by Tajirin.
                They were never recent, just no one gave a shit. One of the first lines in the book is about how there said to be 2 million years old

                >suggest that they've been around all this time, but were in some form of hiding, intentional or not.
                That doesn't match any portrayal ever.

                Since you are obviously too moronic to understand, let me start with this. You are conflating anime lore with the game lore. Count Tajirin is only a thing in the anime, not in the games.
                In the games, we have coexisted with pokemons since forever, but only recently we started actually treating them as partners and not monsters (as seen in Hisui and Alola).
                In the anime, it gets a bit more biblical, with it explicitly stating that pokemons were created after humans were, and were called majuu instead, and were all created by a God. Count Tajirin in the 18th century (not 17th) them discovered Pokemon because despite we living in the same world, we simply lived in different places, but then Pokemon quickly expanded. And there are also mermaids and mermen.

                >Since you are obviously too moronic to understand
                To understand what? You're the moron that admitedly meddled in a conversation he doesn't get.

                >Count Tajirin is only a thing in the anime, not in the games.
                >https://archive.org/details/pokemon-illustrated-book-of-pocket-monsters-character-art-book-encyclopedia-poke/page/n9/mode/2up
                Its on the game world

                >In the games, we have coexisted with pokemons since forever
                I literally said this to be the case, yeah. Learn to read.

                >Hisui and Alola
                Both of those are modern games though.

                >majuugay
                Funny that you criticize people conflating anime with game.

                >18th century (not 17th)
                You're going to hang on to this mistake for your life right?

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                Proof that you made the fist translation?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Also, I said some, because 99% of the animals on earth are still wild, so we need to cage them in some way for us to get near them safely.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Pokemon eggs aren't actually eggs is dumb
      Other than a nameless NPC stating just that they aren't (NPCs can be wrong you know) and not even elaborating on what exactly they are and how he knows that, there's no evidence that the cradlegay theory holds any weight. He might as well have referenced how babies and incenses work... or worked, before GF scrapped them in some late gen
      Sinistea/Polteageist is confirmed to "reproduce" by pouring its tea into an empty pot and various dex entries confirm egg laying for a number of species
      >inb4 some homosexual links that translated correspondence from Elm aka the worst researcher on the planet, who also called his own take crazy
      yawn
      >It not being the real world anymore is dumb
      Retconning out of that was dumb, but I can't blame them for moving away from it in the current geopolitical climate. I actually think it's better to keep the setting separate from the real world
      >Pokemon just replacing animals is dumb
      Definitely agreed there. In Paldea they slice up sapient magical creatures with human level intelligence into chorizo and ham, for example. Why did animals have to go?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >NPCs can be wrong you know
        >Its just an entry bro

        >not even elaborating on what exactly they are and how he knows that
        Elm's statement, in the book that spelled out 99.99% of egg lore states what they're made of. The NPC just repeated that.

        >there's no evidence that the cradlegay theory holds any weight.
        A nameless NPC stating it is more evidence than a sex obsessed poketuber.

        >Sinistea/Polteageist is confirmed to "reproduce" by pouring its tea into an empty pot and various dex entries confirm egg laying for a number of species
        Yes, but the process of the daycare/picnic eggs is a different thing.

        > I actually think it's better to keep the setting separate from the real world
        >realgay thinks there were no geopolitical tensions in the 90s.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Its just an entry bro
          Oh, you want more? I have more, in addition to pic related.
          >Elm's statement
          Less than a hypothesis, which he said himself. Still Elm is a clueless monkey who spent his entire life studying breeding and he has never seen how an egg is made.
          >A nameless NPC stating it is more evidence than a sex obsessed poketuber.
          I have no idea who you're referring to, but multiple entries spanning nine generations of games explicitly state about laying eggs.
          If NPCs are never wrong then Dialga is a mythical Pokémon. NPCs are in-universe characters stating what they believe. Pokedex is the game's developers conveying information to you.
          >Yes, but the process of the daycare/picnic eggs is a different thing.
          So you're saying that Polteageist can reproduce in a different way, but no Pokémon in the universe is capable of laying eggs, even if they're literal birds and despite dex entries stating they do? Fricking hell, you're moronic.
          >realgay thinks there were no geopolitical tensions in the 90s.
          You know what I mean, disingenuous gay.

          >Elm calls them cradles
          >two different npcs in DP and XY also say they aren’t eggs
          >Cynthia calls them cradles
          >breeders don’t actually know what they are or where they come from
          They’re cradles. The ones you carry around are cradles, not traditional eggs.

          >Sinistea/Polteageist is confirmed to "reproduce" by pouring its tea into an empty pot and various dex entries confirm egg laying for a number of species
          Correct. Pokemon reproduce via different methods. The “Pokemon eggs” you carry in your party are extra incubators all Pokemon make out of mud and plant matter, regardless of their actual reproduction process whether it’s laying traditional eggs, live birth, or through asexual methods. Oddish for example will hatch from an “egg” despite reproducing through seeds.

          >Chansey lay eggs
          >Goldeen lay eggs
          >Durant lay eggs
          >Nidoran lay eggs
          NPCs are clueless. There is more evidence of Arceus creating eggs than there is of creation of "cradles". The process itself, as you are presenting it, would be impossible not to be noticed. Pokémon involved would need to go around and gather ingredients, put them together, wrap their baby in them, solidify the mass in some way and then be done. A mother laying an egg would take significantly less time than that, and much more sense. Because, you know, plenty of species don't have hands to do the actions above. Assembling a cradle is literally impossible to a lot of them.
          >Pokemon reproduce via different methods
          Yes.
          >The “Pokemon eggs” you carry in your party are [SCHIZO HEADCANON]
          Evidence or frick off.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            omigosh cute

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >pic
            Pokémon could really use some visual differences for immature Pokémon of the same species outside of Kangaskhan, just like with genders. How to incorporate it and not have it kill the current breeding gameplay loop would be tricky and just like with gender differences, Game Freak hates putting in extra effort outside the bare minimum if even that.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Very true, a lot of missed potential there.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Elm calls them cradles
        >two different npcs in DP and XY also say they aren’t eggs
        >Cynthia calls them cradles
        >breeders don’t actually know what they are or where they come from
        They’re cradles. The ones you carry around are cradles, not traditional eggs.

        >Sinistea/Polteageist is confirmed to "reproduce" by pouring its tea into an empty pot and various dex entries confirm egg laying for a number of species
        Correct. Pokemon reproduce via different methods. The “Pokemon eggs” you carry in your party are extra incubators all Pokemon make out of mud and plant matter, regardless of their actual reproduction process whether it’s laying traditional eggs, live birth, or through asexual methods. Oddish for example will hatch from an “egg” despite reproducing through seeds.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >egg within an egg

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Animalhomosexualry happens in Pokemon because the directors hate writing for the Pokemon and are only interested in human characters.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          The exact opposite of me. And it just happens that the best rated games on the current console are
          >Legends Arceus
          which actually does some Pokémon proper justice (talking with lake spirits, becoming Arceus' buddy etc; learning about and interacting with the creatures and so on)
          >Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX
          Self explanatory

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Pokemon just replacing animals is dumb
      I want to agree, but at the same time I can't think of any real world animals that would survive living with pokemon other than insects. Pikachu could kick a tiger's ass.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Every animal gets outcompeted for resources by any pokémon. And assuming its elemental powers aren't just "cartoon fantasy violence befitting a kid's multimedia IP" but "spitting actual flames/generating actual electricity/superchilling the air temp to 0 deg K/bombarding the tareget with weaponised brainwaves/etc", there's no animal on earth will stand and face one, if it's got a chance to run and survive another day. It just made sense to retcon the real-world shit out the premise, it was hard enough to believe as it was.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >It just doesn't feel right and I'm not sure why

    Because it's dumb, and the implications of it become inconsistent. If every pokemon can shrink at will, they should just become small everytime they want to avoid battles, like a natural, universal form of Minimize. It makes more sense that pokemon can shrink *because* of pokeballs' technology

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly. The whole shrinking thing is dumb and doesn't make sense. And despite what certain people say, it is not canon, that is if it's literal shrinking. Well, for the main games and the anime, which are the canon that I'm talking about.

      To be more specific, it depends specifically what is meant by "shrink". If people say that Pokémon are literally having their physical bodies uniformly shrunk and are just physically sitting there when inside their ball, then that is wrong. Instead, what the evidence suggests, is that a Pokémon's body is turned into some sort of concentrated mass or energy.

      Also, this whole body conversion thing is not something any Pokémon can do whenever they want. It appears to only be as a result of a ball being used on a Pokémon and maybe also when a Pokémon Faints in the main games.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >And despite what certain people say, it is not canon
        Certain people being only the literal people who make the game.

        Now, if it were your favorite poketuber, then we'd talk about canon, right?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          still not canon

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Then why don't you show me some of that evidence? The evidence I'm given on this literal shrinking thing is usually the same few things. Some of which have already been posted in this thread.

          Evidence that has been retconned, is wrong, have explanations against it or don't apply to the main games and anime. There is far more evidence for the non-literal interpretation of Pokémon shrinking that I said.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Then why don't you show me some of that evidence?
            Because its not a youtube video.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >at will
      It is incredibly frustrating that everyone pulls the "AT WILL" card out.
      It's fricking INVOLUNTARY, just like an ADRENALINE RELEASE. Some Pokemon can achieve a mastery of this response, leading to Minimize, which can utilizes a portion of it. It's just like how the Ice Man can survive freezing temperatures for far longer than he should be able to by forcing his body to maintain a core temperature.

      That's the standard way to clear polys.

      Okay, and? How does that change the lore implication?
      It's also not, phasing into the ground or reducing opacity until 0 are actually the industry standard ways to clear polygons.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The shrinking thing should have been some strange, unexplainable yet natural defense mechanism that the apricorns themselves have on Pokemon to keep from being eaten.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Instead it's some strange, unexplainable natural defence mechanism of the organism the ball triggers, like a reflex action on a knee strike. I might add, it's lore that comes from the very earliest days of Capsule Monsters and that they were thinking of how to make this shit work back when they started making the series in the first place, but tv's a hell of a cult leader.
      The non-pokémon vegetation are foodstuffs and while in the real world, they are in an evolutionary arms race with the herbivores that eat them, the pokémon world explicitly rejects the laws of the natural world by the very existence of pokémon. Ergo, the plants are functionally paperstock and background dressing for the universe. Want to go even further, they were created explicitly by Arceus to not be harmful to Its creations, just as It created pokémon to be the other half of a human's whole potential.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That's just an unecesarily convoluted version of what we have.

      This might not be quite the same thing but I'm annoyed with how the term "National Pokédex" was carried over into regions where it does not remotely make sense. For Gen 1-4 it made sense because it was part of the same nation, Japan. Once we get into Unova it is no longer appropriate and the term is only used because we already used it for 4 gens, so it is now grandfathered in despite making no sense. Now we have to take it at face value that the majority of the globe is under a one world government.

      Its not supposed to be the real world.
      And post Kalos it dissapeared, with Unova being mentioned as "abroad" in the SV DLC so we might have finally left the first country.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Its not supposed to be the real world.
        The player is still clearly meant to understand that Gen 1-4 are Japan. The only reason this is disputed among westerners is because the localisation tries its hardest to convince you otherwise, by renaming everyone and everything and downplaying things like the native religion. To a Japanese player the intent and meaning of "National Pokédex" are clear, even if you can assume the country would not be called "Japan" but receive a figurative name like Johto/Hoenn/Sinnoh.
        Unova is still "coded" as a region outside of this country, with its all-new Pokédex and featuring black humans among other things. I will grant though that it is weird because everyone still has Japanese names anyway and there is a Japanese shrine, so they were smoking.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >The player is still clearly meant to understand that Gen 1-4 are Japan.
          The player is also expected to understand that pokemon is a fiction and not real. Its not even the only jrpg using real world locations as inspirations, DQ does it all the time and the DQ fanbase understands the setting is not real.
          GF just didn't count on pokemon fans being more moronic than japanese kids.

          >Unova is still "coded" as a region outside of this country
          Unova is just a region not based on a place in Japan. It even uses the same currency(the yen in the original, which is used all the way to Paldea) and has shit inspired on cultures all around the world.
          Xatu and Sigyliph are both inspired by south american indigenous culture yet are both from "Japan" and the "US".
          You'll enjoy things more if you get rid of your realgay autism.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >The player is also expected to understand that pokemon is a fiction and not real
            The same can be said for other games taking place in Japan like Megami Tensei and Gyakuten Saiban. These still largely take place in Japan unless noted otherwise, even if the specific locales they reference are not 1:1 real.
            >It even uses the same currency(the yen in the original
            The games use the word "yen", not the actual currency of Japanese yen. Yen on its own is generic, akin to saying "dollars" instead of USD. It is clear that Japanese yen are intended in Gen 1-4, and prices are in line with that, but Unova is not necessarily using the same currency because it is never specified.
            >Xatu and Sigyliph are both inspired by south american indigenous culture yet are both from "Japan" and the "US".
            There is no problem with any of this. I am not your "realgay" bogeyman, whatever that means.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >The same can be said for other games taking place in Japan like Megami Tensei and Gyakuten Saiban.
              And?

              > It is clear that Japanese yen are intended in Gen 1-4, and prices are in line with that, but Unova is not necessarily using the same currency because it is never specified.
              It is homie, in the literal text. You acknowledge this.

              > I am not your "realgay" bogeyman, whatever that means.
              You quite literally are anon. You're outright denying in-game evidence.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >And?
                Pokémon remains a Japanese setting and the use of the word "National" was intended to invoke the real nation of Japan(hypothetical in-universe name unknown) which the regions of Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh are part of. Unova has contradictory indications of both being and not being part of this nation, which I find mildly annoying.
                >It is homie, in the literal text. You acknowledge this.
                No. Australia, Canada and America all use dollars, but they do not use the same currency. In an informal sense, all currencies can be called dollars. Are you following?
                >You quite literally are anon. You're outright denying in-game evidence.
                No? On the other hand, you are denying obvious facts that every Japanese kid playing these games intuitively understood.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Unova has contradictory indications of both being and not being part of this nation
                Not really, you assume this because its not based on a japanese region.
                But in-universe its just another region.
                You just insist on projecting something that's not there.

                >In an informal sense, all currencies can be called dollars. Are you following?
                But the one in the US isn't called yen anon.
                And if you want to go there then you have to prove Kanto-Sinnoh have the same currency and not a different one with the same name.

                >No?
                Yes, you're saying "national" and "yen" don't mean "national" and "yen". All your "evidence" is based on what the regions are based on rather on what they actually are presented in-universe.

                >you are denying obvious facts that every Japanese kid playing these games intuitively understood.
                Such as? Japanese kids understand this is fiction just fine and so do I.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Not really, you assume this because its not based on a japanese region.
                Indications it is Japanese:
                >place and character names are Japanese
                >landorus has a Japanese shrine, and closely resembles Inari Okami
                >shares the same National Pokédex with previous regions
                Indications it is not Japanese:
                >western aesthetics, as seen with Team Plasma, the architecture of the ruins, etc
                >black human characters, and Asians such as Cheren are drawn in a distinguished way compared to others
                >previous regions are not commonly referred to in dialogue, where this was common in previous games
                >theme of "globality"
                Are you following?

                >But the one in the US isn't called yen anon.
                Japanese people may call any and all money yen anon.
                >And if you want to go there then you have to prove Kanto-Sinnoh have the same currency and not a different one with the same name.
                It is inherently assumed because they are proxies of real life regions that use the same currency, and are explicitly the same nation

                >Yes, you're saying "national" and "yen" don't mean "national" and "yen".
                I am saying national means national and yen means yen. Did you know the currencies of China and Korea are called yen in Japanese too? You clearly don't know what you're talking about anon, it's pretty embarrassing.
                >All your "evidence" is based on what the regions are based on rather on what they actually are presented in-universe.
                The Gen 1-4 regions are presented as being exactly what they are anon. They are cute little proxies of Japanese prefectures.

                >Such as? Japanese kids understand this is fiction just fine and so do I.
                You're the only one who's making an effort to prove he thinks that. No one was saying Pokémon were real and could hurt you.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >western aesthetics, as seen with Team Plasma, the architecture of the ruins, etc
                >black human characters, and Asians such as Cheren are drawn in a distinguished way compared to others
                >previous regions are not commonly referred to in dialogue, where this was common in previous games
                >theme of "globality"
                Not a single one of this things is evidence of it being in another country.
                Thanks for proving my point.

                >Japanese people may call any and all money yen anon.
                Right, which is why they lately have been complaining about the yen geting devalued against the....yen, I guess.

                >It is inherently assumed because they are proxies of real life regions that use the same currency, and are explicitly the same nation
                Again, you're projecting the real life inspiration in-universe. You're doing the exact thing realgays do.Which, again, goes back to the original point, even kids can see a jrpg being based on a real life location an understand its not supposed to be the real world.

                >I am saying national means national and yen means yen.
                You're saying the opposite

                >You're the only one who's making an effort to prove he thinks that.
                >he
                Don't play the schizo card now.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Right, which is why they lately have been complaining about the yen geting devalued against the....yen, I guess.
                I'm sorry you have such a low IQ anon. How does one even begin with this? You are aware of how words work, right? Yen is usable as a generic term for money in the same way "dollars" is.
                >Again, you're projecting the real life inspiration in-universe.
                You mean like how Tajiri and Masuda do? Pokémon regions from Gen 1-4 are modelled on real locations anon. When are you going to call Masuda a "realgay autist" and demand the currency be changed away from "yen" in the next Kanto remakes?
                >Don't play the schizo card now.
                I'm sorry your reading comprehension is so poor that you can't parse English anon.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Yen is usable as a generic term for money in the same way "dollars" is.
                Then why do they refer to the dollar as dollar?
                >You mean like how Tajiri and Masuda do?
                They're just the artists behind the game. They aren't realgays.
                The very fact that you seethe at shit like their use of "national dex" for their fictional setting already tells that.
                >When are you going to call Masuda a "realgay autist" and demand the currency be changed away from "yen" in the next Kanto remakes?}
                That's literally the opposite of what I'm saying. I'm sorry you have such a low IQ anon.

                >Pokémon regions from Gen 1-4 are modelled on real locations anon.
                So are the later ones.

                If you don't make an actual point in the reply to this I'll stop taking you seriously.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Then why do they refer to the dollar as dollar?
                ? Are you legitimately incapable of grasping that money can be referred to in different ways? Holy shit, I'm talking to an actual mentally handicapped person. This is terrible.
                >The very fact that you seethe at shit like their use of "national dex" for their fictional setting already tells that.
                You're putting words into my mouth anon. The only one seething is you at your imaginary "realgay" bogeyman.
                >So are the later ones.
                Unova is not modelled on any larger area and only Castelia is arguably based on NYC(and even then only in a "port city with skyscrapers" sense and the UN headquarters). The rest of Unova cannot be connected with any real geography at all.

                >If you don't make an actual point in the reply to this I'll stop taking you seriously.
                That's the same reason I haven't taken you seriously in several posts anon.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                > The only one seething is you at your imaginary "realgay" bogeyman.
                This whole thing started because you were mad at the use of "national dex" outside "Japan".

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I pointed out a worldbuilding error that results in silly implications when thought about more deeply, that is correct.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >thinks so deep he forgets its fiction

                >Pokemon just replacing animals is dumb
                >Didn't happen.
                It did. As the franchise has gone on all references to real life animals have been removed and they almost never appear in any sort of official art even though they used to.

                And?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                And? And you're wrong when you say it didn't happen. What the frick man, how is 'And?' any sort of argument at all?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >What the frick man, how is 'And?' any sort of argument at all?
                Because nothing you said means pokemon replaced animals in lore, just that they're not portrayed.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                The lore is now that animals don't exist, only pokemon do. In the lore pokemon have fully replaced animals. Not that animals used to exist and pokemon out-competed them into extinction in universe.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >In the lore pokemon have fully replaced animals.
                Said where?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Are you being moronic on purpose? You don't know the difference between the lore of a franchise and in universe history do you?
                The lore now is that animals don't exist and never have. Pokemon are a replacement for animals, not that animals used to exist in universe and pokemon replaced them.
                The lore used to be that animals and pokemon coexisted.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >You don't know the difference between the lore of a franchise and in universe history do you?
                The in-universe history IS part of the lore.

                Your favorite poketuber's headcanon isn't. Neither is how they portray it or whether they decide to do so.
                Its like when people discuss the politics of the pokemon world. They're there, they're not featured heavily because they're irrelevant.

                >The lore now is that animals don't exist and never have.
                said where? If its lore, there's a source about the setting's lore that specifies this.

                >The lore used to be that animals and pokemon coexisted.
                When did it stop?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >said where?
                Said by the fact that GF removed all references to them you fricking moron.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That's not a lore statement. That's just a portrayal decision. Literally explained you the difference with an example.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                GF going out of their way to remove any mention of real life animals is complete proof that they've changed the lore to "pokemon are the only animals" and not the real animals jus aren't protrayed

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Aldready addressed in this thread.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                if the "adressing" disagrees then it's irrelevant

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >if you disagree with my favorite poketuber then its irrelevant

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >brings up Boogeyman out of nowhere
                I don't watch poke tubers. I'm simply not moronic.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                might be the most autistic post of the year

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't mean much on /vp/ though.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This might not be quite the same thing but I'm annoyed with how the term "National Pokédex" was carried over into regions where it does not remotely make sense. For Gen 1-4 it made sense because it was part of the same nation, Japan. Once we get into Unova it is no longer appropriate and the term is only used because we already used it for 4 gens, so it is now grandfathered in despite making no sense. Now we have to take it at face value that the majority of the globe is under a one world government.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      That's an honest complaint anon, but we could consider this to be "Pokemon world" so instead of a "global dex" having a "national dex" is fine.

      I'm more bothered by the fact that Pokémon in the national dex are classified by "generation" instead of a logical sense.
      It made sense when Oak was the one designing it so that it only showed Kanto mons, and then was amplified with Johto when he visited there and "100 more new species were discovered" but now this no longer works.
      And seeing evolution pokemon being so distant to each other is extremely bothering to me, not so much as old Pokemon like (misdreavus n° 200 and mismagius n°429) because you know it's a game limitation, as much as Fricking dipplin being 1011 and hydrapple 1019, just because it was made available in game later.
      Or iron leaves and walking wake separate from their trio because "who fricking cares"

      They literally don't give a frick anymore

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Or iron leaves and walking wake separate from their trio because "who fricking cares"
        Some trios are disconnected in previous gens already. Giratina is two spots after Dialga and Palkia, Heatran and Regigigas are between them for some reason.
        The Gen 5 trios both cut each other off, Landorus is away from the other oruses and is instead blocking Kyurem from Zekrom and Reshiram

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          You are right and this infuriates me too but I can see the logic behind it (or at least my headcanon to give them a pass)

          Giratina and kyurem aren't actually part of a trio, dialga and palkia originated as a duo, same as Zekrom and reshiram, that LATER became a trio. For giratina I don't have strong evidence but for Kyurem it was stated by masuda (iirc) that they didn't know which way to go for b2w2, and then they made kyurem fuse with reshiram and zekrom forming a trio. There is not a lot of information about gen 4 development besides the fact that it was kind of rushed at the end, but I think giratina only really become part of the trio in arceus's event in hgss.

          So i can see them being kind of "late addition" like regigigas away fron the three regi away from eleki and drago

          Like I don't mind dipplin so distnt from applin (or flapple and appletun) but they could have at least reserved the spot for hydrapple next to him

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >same as Zekrom and reshiram, that LATER became a trio.
            Wut, Kyurem didn't come after Zekrom and Reshiram. In fact the game logic is seemingly that Kyurem is the name of the whole dragon and Reshiram and Zekrom are just its expelled components
            However in a lore sense, Unovans do think of Reshiram and Zekrom as a duality and don't seem to widely acknowledge that Kyurem still exists/is related, so I can see that reasoning

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              That's actually a "retcon" from b2w2, originally kyurem had a separate origin (a meteorite as always) from zekrom and reshiram, then they decided to fuse it with the precent mascots and so it was retconned into being "the husk left from when the origin dragon split" (yet it still can't return to "proper form", only one of them, pretty suspicious right?) and the meteorite was actually the grey stone like the white and black that Reshiram and Zekrom have.

              If you put it into perspective is easy to see how it is a later addiction, since Kyurem doesn't fit that well, I mean, it works, but at a closer inspections you can clearly see it was thought after, and this is actually confirmed from Masuda

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                No, it just wasn't spelled out in BW1, but the story was still there. Specifically, Kyurem has a variation of the same battle theme as Zekrom and Reshiram, but in the moments where it plays electric/fire sounds in the R/Z versions, it just stays silent for Kyurem, showing it is "missing" their energy. It's really kino.
                Kyurem's design is also clearly following this scheme; it has a tail end that would continue into a generator like Reshiram and Zekrom have, but the generator is missing.
                Its name, besides invoking "grey" and thus clearly playing into the black/white design theme, also ends in the "r-vowel-m" pattern.
                Kyurem was always what it is.
                >a separate origin (a meteorite as always)
                The implication is that the original complete Kyurem came in the meteorite.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I admit your points are all valid, so I can agree that it was at least thought of being one durign production, still it IS true that they didn't know how to use him or connect him to the other two, for what we know Kyurem may as well be an opposite "evil dragon twin" in which you had to fuse Zekrom and Reshiram back into their true original form in order to face the evil Complete Kyurem.
                This is just something I made up on the spot so it may not be convincing but I'm positive, just because they are somewhat related, Kyurem wasn't initially thought as being the original dragon's husk, they just put a third (dragon) legend related to the two mains like they did for r/s and d/p and then decided later how to utilize him.

              • 7 days ago
                Anonymous

                I think what you have in mind is that the statement that they never designed Kyurem's original form, which is true but doesn't mean the whole concept wasn't intended.
                The fact that they all have the same special battle theme with unique variations is proof they are a trio even in BW1.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Hey, I have this cool idea for an Ursaring evo--
        >NOOOOO, WE'LL HAVE TO REORDER THE WHOLE DEX, VETO'D

        I still can’t tell if real animals exist.
        If they don’t, then why is pikachu the electric mouse Pokemon? Wouldn’t people be curious what a mouse is?

        They never explicitly said they don't.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Minimize exists
    >No Maximize

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >what is growth

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I hate most Pokedex entries.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Don't know if it's been denied in canon yet, but I still prefer the theory that the Pokedex entries are bullshit made up by the 10yo player character.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        It's actually inconsistent, sometimes it write itself, sometimes it has already everything and you just "unlock the page to read about it", sometimes you "go to complete" which may imply that you are the one actually writing it but it's never clearly stated iirc

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Don't know if it's been denied in canon yet, but I still prefer the theory that the Pokedex entries are bullshit made up by the 10yo player character.

      HOTTER THAN THE SURFACE OF THE SUN!
      ABLE TO BE ENSLAVED USING A HOLLOWED OUT TREE NUT!

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        The shrinking explanation falls apart with this. That magcargo is literally just living lava. Pokeballs(even the old ones in hisui) cause pokemon to flash with light when going into or out of the pokeball. Your talking me ALL pokemon have the ability to shrink as a defensive mechanism even the fierce ones that are always angry and/or looking for a fight? Even the gods that control the elements or fabrics of reality? On top of all this they JUMP into the flung pokeball that opens mid air after it hits them?

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        The shrinking explanation falls apart with this. That magcargo is literally just living lava. Pokeballs(even the old ones in hisui) cause pokemon to flash with light when going into or out of the pokeball. Your talking me ALL pokemon have the ability to shrink as a defensive mechanism even the fierce ones that are always angry and/or looking for a fight? Even the gods that control the elements or fabrics of reality? On top of all this they JUMP into the flung pokeball that opens mid air after it hits them?

        And yet if one accepts you, it doesn't actually burn hotter than the sun, as it can CONTROL its powers to live and thrive.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Is this actually explained in the games or is it just some non-canon shit the anime made up?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Given the bit about Ponyta accepting a rider and not burning them shown in an OG episode seems entirely too specific for Shudo to come up with (he didn't understand the IP, just what he needed to push at kids, as he was told) and Game Freak wrote a 'Dex entry for Ponyta saying "if you've been accepted by Ponyta, its mane is mysteriously no longer hot to the touch", it's from their own pen (as that ep was about 26 years ago). Given we see lava pokémon being handled and Game Freak themselves writing it in canon (the 'Dex is the only absolute canon in the series, TPC follow it, not it follows TPC), it's hard to assume only Ponyta can control their elemental outputs - there are disaster-level creatures all around the regions, world and universe, but no catastrophe-level incidents on the daily the only explanation is these specific 'dex entries are recordings taken at a specific moment (eg, right before erupting with Lava Plume, for example, when its fire energy is at its maximum potential) and not indicative of the creature's lifestyle as a whole.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Don't know if it's been denied in canon yet, but I still prefer the theory that the Pokedex entries are bullshit made up by the 10yo player character.

      You know it has been stated that the pokedex automatically writes the entries after scanning pokemon. So another interpretation could be AI fricking sucks in the pokemon world as much as it does here and just guesses/makes shit up

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Not a lore, but mythicals being a separate group from legendaries, it should've been "every mythical is a legendary, but not every legendary is a mythical".

      this

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the book was never canon unless real animals exist in the Pokemon world now

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      And?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        And?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        And?

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer the shrinking lore. I always hated the “pokeballs are sci fi objects that digitize the pokemon/turn them into energy” shit the anime pulled. Even as a kid playing GSC the contradiction was obvious when you had Kurt whittling away at forest nuts to make a pokeball in a process handed down from antiquity.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Like 90% of the shit realgays believe Tajiri intended was "retconned" in GS.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    the fact that multiverse/multi-timeline elements are canon in the series
    it just reeks of gamefreak being desperate to provide some in-universe reason as to why you can't mega evolve in RSE or whatever the frick, yet A) nobody who's old enough to have played gen 3 gives a shit if something has a doylist answer and B) people eat this shit up as if GF isn't just making up bullshit

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >it just reeks of gamefreak being desperate to provide some in-universe reason as to why you can't mega evolve in RSE or whatever the frick,
      It was introduced in BW.
      >nobody who's old enough to have played gen 3 gives a shit if something has a doylist answer
      It'd be a watsonian answer, not doylist.
      And you'd be surprised how moronic the fanbase can be.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >It was introduced in BW.
        entralink introduced it (unless there was shit in DPPt i'm forgetting) but ORAS was where it got really bad

        isn't doylist where the answer is out of universe
        i'm saying the RSE players wouldn't care or have an immersion break or whatever if they got a doylist answer (you can't mega in RSE because megas werent a thing) instead of the watsonian answer (it's a separate timeline where rayquaza ate a fricking meteor or whatever the hell the "lore" dictates

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >ORAS was where it got really bad
          ORAS was when poketuebers tried to make it a bigger thing

          >isn't doylist where the answer is out of universe
          Its when its out of the fiction.
          "RSE had no megas because they weren't invented by GF" is doylist.
          "RSE had no megas because it was in a world where mega evolution was unknwon" is watsonian, an explanation within the fiction.
          "in-universe" is a colloquialism for "fiction", the "universe" its not meant to be taken literally. Sherlock Holmes just didn't deal with the multiverse.

          >i'm saying the RSE players wouldn't care or have an immersion break
          Maybe you. Me too.
          But you haven't seen any lore discussion if you think players wouldn't care.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >isn't doylist where the answer is out of universe
            >Its when its out of the fiction.
            These are the same thing. You are saying the exact same idea using different words.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              No and its literally addressed in the post you're replying to.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >the doylist answer is out of universe
                >>it's when out of the fiction
                The fiction is the universe. If the answer is in universe it is in the fiction. A character in universe, in the story, will state why a thing is.
                If the answer is out of universe the author, who is not in the fiction, will tell you why a thing is.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                > If the answer is in universe it is in the fiction
                Then the multiverse is in fiction anon.

                >A character in universe, in the story, will state why a thing is.
                Literally what happened. Thus watsonian.

                >If the answer is out of universe the author, who is not in the fiction, will tell you why a thing is.
                Which is not what happened.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You seem to think I'm saying the answer is one or the other, I'm not. I'm saying an in universe answer is an in fiction answer. they are the same thing using different words.
                the exact question was
                >isn't doylist where the answer is out of universe
                and your answer was
                >Its when its out of the fiction.
                Out of universe and out of the fiction are the same thing, so yes, the Doylist answer is out of universe.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Out of universe and out of the fiction are the same thing
                IF you take the "in-universe" as not literal, then yeah, this is correct.
                But I assumed you didn't because its the only way someone would consider Zinnia's statement out of universe, forgetting the fact that this being /vp/, and as shown by this thread, its 100% possible someone would believe Zinnia to be a real person.

                But here's the deal, Zinnia isn't a real person, and, as such, her statements are in-universe, making the whole thing watsonian.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Zinnia is my wife, fascist.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >its the only way someone would consider Zinnia's statement out of universe
                ...nobody does? the guy who started this line of thought said nobody would care if gen 3 megas not existing had a doylist answer.
                In other words nobody would give a shit if GF had just remade RSE and said 'megas are here now because they are, they weren't here in gen 3 because we didn't make them then' instead of the actual answer which introduced alternate timelines.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                > instead of the actual answer which introduced alternate timelines.
                Which is watsonian.
                Also yeah, people would give a shit either way.

                >It was used as a point of reference and an in-universe one appeared later on
                >i will admit to the entire argument being correct while still saying the person proposing the argument is wrong
                If I had a gif of a downy moron rolling through the dirt while slapping his wrist against his chest and drooling all over himself I would have your portrait.

                >i will admit to the entire argument being correct
                Not really, learn to read. Even the literal same example was provided.

                >while still saying the person proposing the argument is wrong
                Because they are, as explained in the post you're replying to.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >it just reeks of gamefreak being desperate to provide some in-universe reason as to why you can't mega evolve in RSE or whatever the frick,
      It was introduced in BW.
      >nobody who's old enough to have played gen 3 gives a shit if something has a doylist answer
      It'd be a watsonian answer, not doylist.
      And you'd be surprised how moronic the fanbase can be.

      It was introduced in Red and Green, you dumb little fricks - Red traded with an alt universe Red whenever kids wanted to trade shit between their games. That they added Blue and Yellow added to it, each an instance of Red in a world VASTLY different to the others he appears in.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    moronic on purpose, got it. Goodbye.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >doesn't know what lore is
    >runs like a pussy

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >they didn't replace animals with pokemon, they just stopped showing animals and only show pokemon, what do you mean they never said they stopped? obviously that means animals still exist even though they don't exist and are never shown or mentioned and pokedex entries have been modified to remove them from in game text, they still are part of the lore even though they aren't

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >I haven't seen a toilet in the games, therefore toilets do not exist in the pokemon world

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >I haven't seen a toilet in the games
        I have though...why don't you play the games?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >play the games
          that's gay you have to blindly follow what a poketuber tells you.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Logical fallacy detected. A proper analogy to the pokemon/animal situation would be if they showed a toilet once and then stopped showing them entirely and provided a new way for people to dispose of bodily waste, like a device that you wear which teleports the shit away, and retconned previous mentions of toilets to reference the shit-aporter instead.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >rovided a new way for people to dispose of bodily waste, like a device that you wear which teleports the shit away, and retconned previous mentions of toilets to reference the shit-aporter instead.
          Nowhere is it said toilets don't exist, notably.

          But sure, you're the one that detects "fallacies".

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >characters must state that x doesn't exist, if there is not a list of statements made by in game charcters specifically mentioning that every single thing that doesn't exist doesn't exist then it totally does exist even though it never gets mentioned or shown
            >harry potter exists in the pokemon world because no character specifically says 'a black haired lighting blt scarred wizard that fights magic hitler doesn't exist
            >superman lives in castelia city because nobody says he doesn't even though he is never shown or mentioned
            >jimmy hoffa drives the mew truck and is high king of the pokemon world because nobody said he doesn't

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Imagine getting this mad just because we ask for proof without blindly accepting your favorite poketuber's headcanon.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >it's headcanon that raichu's pokedex entry was retconned
                >it's headcanon that they never show animals anymore when they used to
                >if some character isn't explicitly stating that x doesn't exist, then it does exist, even in light of the previous two statements

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >le raichu entry
                We've been over this a billion times anon. It was used as a point of reference and an in-universe one appeared later on.

                props for actually bothering to bring up an actual thing in an actual game though, that's how discussion should be. Next time don't be so obtuse and do so the FIRST time you're asked.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >It was used as a point of reference and an in-universe one appeared later on
                >i will admit to the entire argument being correct while still saying the person proposing the argument is wrong
                If I had a gif of a downy moron rolling through the dirt while slapping his wrist against his chest and drooling all over himself I would have your portrait.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Red took a poop!
          >The poop bucket is full!
          >Sent poop to Someone's PC!

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Toilet????
        SKIBIDI TOILET
        SKIBIDID BOBOPOSPPSODOIDIDUDBI

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Cringe Gen Alpha humor

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    A certain resident board schizo is in this thread and aggressively pushing moronic viewpoints not because he believes them, but to intentionally aggravate well-intentioned posters with an attachment to the franchise.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      So every lore thread?

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      We should've heeded this anon's warning, but watching the schizo melt was hilarious
      Shit thread but funny

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because we don't see Pokémon going hank pym in any media.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If Pokémon could shrink Meowth would have shrunk to steal stuff constantly

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      If Pokémon could shrink then all predator-prey dynamics would be basically invalidated.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Isn’t the minimize move just Pokémon shrinking?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yes which is a dedicated move only some Pokémon have potential access to and not at all times

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What happens when a minimized pokemon faints? Does it shrink even more?

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    more of a minor detail, but slowpoke not feeling pain when their tails are cut off and growing them back quickly makes team rocket look a lot less malicious for selling them. i can't remember if it was always this way, though.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That was clearly written specifically to soften that plot point in Gen 2

  19. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    realegggays unironically believe that chansey eats her unborn children

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      It is like chicken eggs where most are unfertilised

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Bro my Hoothoot grew fingers out of her feathers and used them to assemble an egg from mud and sticks (we are in the middle of a desert), then shat out an ugly as sin fetus and locked it inside without access to air or nutrients
      Then her fingers disappeared
      All happened while nobody was looking but this is what happened
      >this is what cradlegays unironically believe

  20. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >the pocket monsters...can become pocket sized? NOOOO THAT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE RESKINNED ANIMALS
    I'm glad PLA btfo you morons.

  21. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    everything involving the lore of sinnoh's creation trio and lake trio is fricking moronic and comes across like it was written by a stupid 13 year old

  22. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    I hate that new gens have people eating meat with sandwiches and curry

  23. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    I hate that Megas were retconned to be harmful after them shilling it as the ultimate form of bonds between trainers and pokemon.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      There was already hints of "bonds" not being completely true. Sycamore (that can't use Mega Evolution as confirmed by a trainer in Tower of Mastery) mentions that he believes "bonds" are necessary for Mega Evolution but Diantha gets confused about why. In gameplay, Mega Pokémon can't use affection bonuses, they all vanish soon as you Mega Evolve. It needs as human but it might not need a bond, from ORAS.

      > Primal Reversion is a potential of Pokémon Evolution, a potential different from Mega Evolution. Mega Evolution is made possible by the energy of people and Pokémon. Primal Reversion is made possible by natural energy. In Primal Reversion, Groudon/Kyogre absorbs natural energy into its body, thereby increasing its power dramatically. Both states significantly enhance Pokémon's power: the difference lies in the source of the required energy."

      > The people fell to their knees before Rayquaza and made a wish for salvation. As they did, a great change came over the Legendary Pokémon. It was enveloped in blinding light. As the light receded, they beheld a Rayquaza beyond all knowledge— a sublime figure, incandescent with overwhelming life force. It was humanity's wish that brought about Rayquaza's transformation in the face of the rainbow stone... Yes... A wish... An intangible thing, invisible to the eye. Yet this wish bound people and Pokémon together, enabling the Legendary Pokémon to change its appearance... Doesn't it remind you of something? That's right... It sounds like Mega Evolution, doesn't it?"

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      There was already hints of "bonds" not being completely true. Sycamore (that can't use Mega Evolution as confirmed by a trainer in Tower of Mastery) mentions that he believes "bonds" are necessary for Mega Evolution but Diantha gets confused about why. In gameplay, Mega Pokémon can't use affection bonuses, they all vanish soon as you Mega Evolve. It needs as human but it might not need a bond, from ORAS.

      > Primal Reversion is a potential of Pokémon Evolution, a potential different from Mega Evolution. Mega Evolution is made possible by the energy of people and Pokémon. Primal Reversion is made possible by natural energy. In Primal Reversion, Groudon/Kyogre absorbs natural energy into its body, thereby increasing its power dramatically. Both states significantly enhance Pokémon's power: the difference lies in the source of the required energy."

      > The people fell to their knees before Rayquaza and made a wish for salvation. As they did, a great change came over the Legendary Pokémon. It was enveloped in blinding light. As the light receded, they beheld a Rayquaza beyond all knowledge— a sublime figure, incandescent with overwhelming life force. It was humanity's wish that brought about Rayquaza's transformation in the face of the rainbow stone... Yes... A wish... An intangible thing, invisible to the eye. Yet this wish bound people and Pokémon together, enabling the Legendary Pokémon to change its appearance... Doesn't it remind you of something? That's right... It sounds like Mega Evolution, doesn't it?"

      I find it more interesting this way, Mega Evolution essentially being "overclocking" the Pokémon. It brings some much needed nuance to the the practice of Pokémon fighting.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      I agree.

  24. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Since people brought up the domestication of Pokémon and the Gogoat entry, I also want to add my own headcanon about it. Skiddo dex entry.

    >Thought to be one of the first Pokémon to live in harmony with humans, it has a placid disposition.

    Together with Gogoat entry, it implies they were domesticated 5000 years ago, much later than the domestication of the goats which are estimated 10000 years ago. In AZ's flashback we see a glimpse of Kalos war (3000 years before XY) where we can see humans with weapons fighting together with a lot of Pokémon, implying that at least in Kalos, humans already evolved their relationship that far in 2000 years after Skiddo/Gogoat. It's possible that they weren't thought as pets though.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      That image goes hard.

      I hope they talk more about the war in PLZA

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        They won't. They've set a hard-limit on the creation of Pokéball tech (Laventon states they're a recent invention in L: A) and given the setting/era with the human tech included, the game's set around the 1920's, meaning pokéballs were invented no earlier than 1900, but more likely closer to the events of the game (as the original lore had the creation of the things in 1925, if memory serves. After Nishinomori overdosed his Primeape on sedatives). The war's too far out the scope of the games and the game isn't Pokémon Z, Pokéon XZ/YZ or Pokémon XYgote babby's childhood rehash shedidn't get 11 years ago.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Ok but they're still gonna talk more about the war

  25. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    The exhistance of Tandemaud and Maushold completely disintegrating what eggs are and evolution is.

    I mean, we already had kangaskhan hatching with her baby but you could easily brush it off as a gameplay limitation since it is clear the child is a "different" Pokemon, and the dex states that there exhists male kangaskhan.

    Tandemaus is literally two rats (which, mind you, is different from havung a multiple mass of bodies like exegcute or falinks since they have a "leader" or magneton/dugtrio since they are combined) and it EVOLVES off screen by having unprotected sex and birthing 1 or 2 children.

    Where is the egg? Why they reproduce like this ok their own but spawn from an egg if you make them reproduce? Why is this considered an evolution? Why the same Pokemon+a child have a separate dex entry?

    This is just an example but recent games no longer care about consistency or the Pokemon world actually being a world, instead of a mass of data in which shove in the 0s and the 1s that will give them more money from merchandise.

    Gen 8 fossils are the same, "they are based on something real you can't blame them" I can and I will!
    Why would a human mistake have its own entry in the dex? (That btw, states how unlogical they are and how they are constantly suffering), why would they breed and reproduce? HOW!? Why would more than one person have them since they are literally errors? And most of all, why the frick the "wrong version" is a Pokémon but the right one is not?
    I mesn, I wouldn't be complaining as much if we had the original pokemon + the wrong ones thanks to the gimmick of "scientists don't know what they are doing" (*brits) but the fact that only the lab mistakes are actual real Pokemon in the dex is making me seethe

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's not exactly the same thing but Genesect being a Pokémon but not its vanilla original form is a similar lore issue. Last I checked there exists only one singular Genesect in-universe, right? If there were more it would be outrageous

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        True but we could theorize (and mind you, only theorize) that genesect base is a Kabutops
        (Btw did you guys know that technically fossils Pokemon aren't supposed to be "rock" type and that's just how they look since they are revived fron fossils? Well I suppose that is long gone retconned by now but heh)

        But even if it isn't kabutops it wouldn't be as weird, maybe it was the only species and team plasma "ruined it" maybe no one has found another said fossil, maybe we will see him eventually?

        Gen 8 are just "yeah we COULD make them good but we are stupid" it's just the fact that since no one in-universe realize there is something wrong with them (despite them clearly being mostruosities that struggle to fricking breath) no one even consider them to have a "correct form" this is just me, the player, suffering

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Where did Genesect get Bug type from though? The Kabutops thing just doesn't work for me
          >technically fossils Pokemon aren't supposed to be "rock" type and that's just how they look since they are revived fron fossils?
          Pretty sure that's also just a fan theory, but it is silly that fossilmons are all Rock

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            That's the point, this is only fan theory and headcanon sure, but kabutops may have been a bug water Pokemon (you know he learns a lot bug type moves) so that would fit with genesect

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              >you know he learns a lot bug type moves
              That's not true.
              >RBY
              0 bug moves. It gets Absorb by level up, and not Leech Life.
              >GSC
              1 bug move, Fury Cutter, by TM. It gets Absorb and Mega Drain, but not Leech Life.
              >RSE
              1 bug move, Fury Cutter, by Move Tutor. It gets Absorb and Mega Drain by level up, and Giga Drain by TM, but not Leech Life.
              >DPPt
              2 bug moves, Fury Cutter by Move Tutor and X-Scissor by TM. It gets Absorb and Mega Drain by level up, and Giga Drain by TM, but not Leech Life.
              >BWB2W2, XYORAS and SMUSUM
              2 bug moves, X-Scissor by TM and Fury Cutter by Transfer. It gets Absorb and Mega Drain by level up, and Giga Drain by TM, but not Leech Life.
              >LGPE
              2 Bug moves, Leech Life by Level up and X-Scissor by TM. It gets Absorb by level up, and Giga Drain by TM.
              >BDSP
              2 Bug moves, Leech Life by Level up and X-Scissor by TM. It gets Absorb by level up, Mega Drain as an Egg move, and Giga Drain by TM.
              You could argue that Kabutops just as much of a Grass type as it is a Bug type.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Kabutops gets Giga Drain
                >Gorebyss doesn't
                How is this fair?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >we already had kangaskhan hatching with her baby
      Except we didn't. And it's ironic you use the pokémon based off an animal that does similar to how eggs are portrayed in-canon in your example. Proof you can lead a 'tard to the truth but can't make them think. Pokémon give birth to pinkies, then place them in the egg, where they can develop fully to entre the world, in the absence of a mother to guide and watch over them, like kangaroos (and other marsupials) give birth to an underdeveloped functional foetus, which crawls into its mother's pouch to then continue the rest of its development in safety, while the mother is allowed the freedom to thrive (mother kangaroos pursued by predators will jettison Joey to make an escape if needed). It's yet more OG lore NoA thought they didn't need to tell kids about, not understanding they were growing autistic drone fanboys while doing it thus kinda needed to tell them the truth (this wasn't a "Santa Claus" situation after all).

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Pokémon give birth to pinkies, then place them in the egg
        No, they lay eggs. Stop trying to justify your headcanon with a less than a speculation which your dogshit researcher Elm calls crazy anyway.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Headcanon is a word used in film/television/comics/etc. fandom that refers to something a fan imagines about the characters (such as a scenario or relationship) but that doesn't appear on screen/on the page.
          So the very fact Game Freak spent company time, project funds and staff effort to add this to their games proves it's not "headcanon" because the creators are the ones pushing it. Go back to school if you can't comprehend simple english, it's clear you haven't even the comprehension level of Pokémon's target market, let alone a full-grown adult.

          So what you cradles bros are at is that Kangaskhan gives birth to her baby then puts it in a nest, and that's fine by me, but why the frick the newly hatched baby once it is big enough to "get out of the nest" already have a baby with her?
          where does the second baby come from?
          Do we have an egg-seption in which the mother kanga makes an egg in which the daughter kanga makes an egg to hatch so that it stores her in her belly so that it can come out of the egg when she is already an adult and has a baby in her pouch!?

          I hope you realize it doesn't make sense either way anon

          It's not meant to, or rather it's irrelevant to how they wish to present to the world. We already have nulltards claiming because the daycare staff say to the protags (who are all pre-teen children) "oh, we don't know how the egg got here", pokémon don't sexually reproduce, despite the only way to get an egg being put a male and female or a male/female and the canon mimic of indeterminate gender pair into the daycare. Never mind the blurb they attendant would say to kids being an oblique hint to how sexually interested the pair were with each other ("it's more interested in playing with other pokémon" - they not gonna frick dude/"the two get along rather well!" - they be fricking like rabbits mang). Do you honestly think they WANT to explain how a freshly-hatched Kangaskhan gets a baby? No. But Tajiri didn't want to put a kangaroomon into his game series, without at least displaying it was a kangaroo by detailing its pouch. The fact they went and made it an exclusively female species shows they at least were thinking several steps ahead (as they'd tried to add breeding and genders to Gen 1 and had to shelve it). Remember, pokémon obliterate the laws of our natural world just by existing. Thus applying our real-world laws to their universe is not only folly, but shows how autistic you are, by insisting it MUST be the same as the real world. When dogs learn to spit fire, you'll have a point.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >We already have nulltards claiming because the daycare staff say to the protags (who are all pre-teen children) "oh, we don't know how the egg got here", pokémon don't sexually reproduce, despite the only way to get an egg being put a male and female or a male/female and the canon mimic of indeterminate gender pair into the daycare.
            Anon, Elm's conference was TO adults where he himself spent time with the mons in the day care and the egg suddenly appeared.
            The daycare workers are explicitly said to be "lads" in the ORAS battle resort and are younger than the literal player character, yet they same the same shit as the other daycare workers.
            Not to mention the literal last game has the eggs showing up in the basket.
            Its unarguable that the daycare phenomenon isn't about sexual reproduction. What happens in nature is a different thing.

            Its true you have to go by what GF actually says, but do so yourself first.

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, because he was stating accepted fact. That he TYHEN went and wrote a letter to the pre-eminent pokémon professor, detailing his theory in confidence shows he wasn't bringing such an earth-shjattering idea to the wider attention of his peers until he was sure.
              I remind you that old man who says they're cradles showed up in Gne 6. The meta reason is because Game Freak found out HOW little and incorrectly NoA had been localising their shit, the in-universe explanation is Elm clearly presented his findings to the world between Gen 2 and Gen 6, to the point oldgay Kalosians understood the concept. So why are you unable to?

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Yeah, because he was stating accepted fact.
                If it were accepted then he wouldn't literally bring up him trying to watch the exact moment(and it wouldn't be a moment at all, but sexgays know as much about sex as realgays do the real world). He'd entirely skip that.
                >That he TYHEN went and wrote a letter to the pre-eminent pokémon professor, detailing his theory in confidence shows he wasn't bringing such an earth-shjattering idea to the wider attention of his peers until he was sure.
                That was just about whether the eggs are cradles, did you even read the gen 2 zukan?

                >The meta reason is because Game Freak found out HOW little and incorrectly NoA had been localising their shit
                Source? The only part where this was all detailed was never localized.

                Nice how you ignore the actual evidence though, par of the course with headcanongays.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Source?
                TPC taking localisation off NoA for Gen 5's localisation and Game Freak repeating known, accepted lore in Japan in-game on the reg since, knowing that TPCi will translate it correctly (Egg lore came from the gen 2 guidebook they'd put out in Japan, which was made while Tajiri was still making the games, just as the Gen 1 book had shrink lore gotten straight from the boss's mouth too).
                But really, "ちいさくなる Shrink" became "minimize", "はねる Hop" became "Splash" and Nob Ogasawara has gone on record several times stating burger executives over-ruled him constantly and told him to not use the proper translations. This whole shit-show started because some afterbirth moron bastard couldn't accept shrinking lore had been a thing since series inception, something the Japanese knew and had accepted and crucially, couldn't understand why the west DIDN'T know or realise this already. But because they can't understand it, Game Freak are making sure people understand it now.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Game Freak repeating known, accepted lore in Japan in-game on the reg since
                Zukan lore isn't widely known in Japan at all. The blog we all used to refer to before the zukan got scans was about this.
                And a long franchise repeating lore points isn't rare at all.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yes it fricking is, you moronic little kek. 2Chan was LAUGHING at you little bastards and wondering why the westeners were chimping out over pokémon shrinking two fricking years ago.
                You. Lost. That's why you're sitting crying like a winged queer over me pointing out this shit's been part of it longer than you've been alive.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                I swear it's the same homosexual every time. He has to actively monitor the board for mentions of eggs. What drives such autism when you know you're doomed to lose argument with anyone who spent more than 15 minutes reading up on the subject and drawing some logical conclusions?

                >he had ZERO confidence, he called it less than a theory and he sure as frick wasn't sure of anything.
                NTA but you can't say that and then quote pokedex entries.

                Your head is spinning. Angry that you can't force the cradle meme and especially your own interpretation (headcanon) of it?

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                You're the one outright going against official material and getting made some people don't follow the headcanon.

                In any other fanbase you'd be laughed off.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                You're projecting and mentally ill. Glad to see that you continue to refuse to address evidence contrary to your headcanon. Everyone in the thread can see how moronic you are. Great job!

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, insisting on the sex of fictional creatures is peak mental health.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I can BTFO you on that too.
                https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2018/09/29/pokemon-super-mystery-dungeon-evolution-isnt-that-like-maturing-quickly-jpn-vs-eng/
                >inb4 "noooo spin-offs greenlit by Nintendo, GF and TPC don't count!"

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >official material NOW counts

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >I will not address your points or evidence, I will just call you names and post a picture that doesn't validate my claim about giving birth or elaborate anything at all
            Looks like I win. That was very easy. It always is with the cradlegay (because there exists one on this planet).
            >Thus applying our real-world laws to their universe is not only folly, but shows how autistic you are
            Gotten angry, haven't we? Making this point just shows how brain matter deficient you are. It's so awful I won't even bother to explain why, because I'm not talking to a sapient being.
            You are embarrassing.

            Yeah, because he was stating accepted fact. That he TYHEN went and wrote a letter to the pre-eminent pokémon professor, detailing his theory in confidence shows he wasn't bringing such an earth-shjattering idea to the wider attention of his peers until he was sure.
            I remind you that old man who says they're cradles showed up in Gne 6. The meta reason is because Game Freak found out HOW little and incorrectly NoA had been localising their shit, the in-universe explanation is Elm clearly presented his findings to the world between Gen 2 and Gen 6, to the point oldgay Kalosians understood the concept. So why are you unable to?

            >he TYHEN went and wrote a letter to the pre-eminent pokémon professor, detailing his theory in confidence shows he wasn't bringing such an earth-shjattering idea to the wider attention of his peers until he was sure.
            You didn't even read the letter lmfao, he had ZERO confidence, he called it less than a theory and he sure as frick wasn't sure of anything.
            >The meta reason is because Game Freak found out HOW little and incorrectly NoA had been localising their shit
            You got a single fact to back that up?
            And even if what you're spewing is anything but a load of Tauros shit (it isn't) then why does the dex explicitly mention egg laying in gens 7-9?

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              >he had ZERO confidence, he called it less than a theory and he sure as frick wasn't sure of anything.
              NTA but you can't say that and then quote pokedex entries.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Anon I honestly don't get your point, so I suppose you are just trolling, but just in case you were actually serious allow me to correct you on a few of your mistakes.

            1) Gen1 did not have genders, they were introduced in gen 2 together with breeding, so no, they weren't "thinking two steps ahead"

            2) If you actually read my comment about kanga, I said how it makes no sense that a newly born Pokémon comes into existance being an adult and already bearing a child, which is illogical, but it is clear that it's a fallacy due to game design that doesn't necessarily follow the in-universe logic (not mine as an external viewer, since adult kangaskhan, child kangakhan and also male kangaskhan exists despite what the game actually let us play with) I never actually stated that it makes no sense in our world that a mammal is oviparous.

            I was the first that said that it's just a game so we can go over it, don't get so altered by an anon comment

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              >Gen1 did not have genders
              Except they added a female variant of Nidoran in, as it was the only one they'd planned to have variations in male and female forms, but they couldn't get the coding right, so added them as individuals with their own dedicated slots, to get them working.
              Or did you think they decided to make a male and female of ONE species and NOT try and make the rest gendered? Yeah, it IS a game. It also has a specific lore and the only homosexuals saying "let's move on" are the ones trying to ignore the lore and canon of the series as conceived by the devs.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Uhh...

                Anon if you are interested in the gen 1 development, Satoshi Tajiri published a biographical manga that goes into detail about the creation of Pokemon.

                I'm afraid none of your headcanons are actually correct, nidoran F wasn't
                >thought later as a variant for an already existing Pokemon but they couldn't code it right

                Nidoran F and M were two low leveled Pokemon for a game that was supposed to have 30 slots

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon if you are interested in the gen 1 development, Satoshi Tajiri published a biographical manga that goes into detail about the creation of Pokemon.
                No he didn't. Tajiri hasn't officially gone on record any time in the last 20-ish years. He ALLOWED writers in to write a companion manga to LGPE for kids to explain how the game they're playing came to be and how it grew, but I don't have to tell you that's a manga aimed at kids and in no way tells the full story of how Tajiri created pokémon. And certainly not when Nob Ogasawara went on record to state Lickitung's Japanese name is slang for a blowjob (clearly showing they were 20-something enthusiastic amatuers, instead of prim and proper studio. Did it mention how Masuda worked night shift so he could blast techno music with the other technohead in the office, so they wouldn't disturb the non-technoheads during normal hours?) That you still hold onto it as if its gospel is laughable and shows precisely your mental development. I trust what oldgays said and what OG Jap lore from before it all came done for us says. Because by-and-large the specifics change, but the overall strokes DO line up (OG pokéball creation lore: C.1925, modern pokéball creation lore: C.<1922, old magazine states eggs are cradles, old fricker in Gen 6 says eggs are cradles).
                You motherfrickers always screech Game Freak need to respect their lore. bit when they do, yis throw a pissy fit and ree it doesn't match up with your bullshit take on the media you were birthed into.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        So what you cradles bros are at is that Kangaskhan gives birth to her baby then puts it in a nest, and that's fine by me, but why the frick the newly hatched baby once it is big enough to "get out of the nest" already have a baby with her?
        where does the second baby come from?
        Do we have an egg-seption in which the mother kanga makes an egg in which the daughter kanga makes an egg to hatch so that it stores her in her belly so that it can come out of the egg when she is already an adult and has a baby in her pouch!?

        I hope you realize it doesn't make sense either way anon

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >I hope you realize it doesn't make sense either way anon
          That implies sexgays are wrong. So I don't get the double standard of why these inconsistencies(most of which are fringe cases like this) are deal breakers with cradles, but they're somehow forgiven for sex, where you have to accept that a sword had sex with a trash bag.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            I never said Kangaskhan made sense, if you read my comment right I said that Kanga is a pokemon that makes 0 sense, since it hatches from an egg while having a newborn baby in her belly already, all the pointless discussion about cradles or real eggs doesn't change anything about that, same for literally anything else, the fact that the "eggs" are actually "cradles" doesn't justify how a sword could reproduce together with a trash bag, it just means the sword doesn't lay eggs, reproducing by other means and then shoving the newborn into a conveniently shaped container, but it still remains true that a sword and a trash bag produced an offspring together.

            So back on topic, the fact that tandemaus reproduce "offscreen" without using the egg stuff wheter it's actual eggs or just an egg-shaped container to become a different species of pokèmon, all albeit the fact that tandemaus itself (themselves?) spawn out of a common "egg" is literally nonsensical however you look at it.

            It's just a meme pokèmon that is fun to make, has a funny name, a funny move, a funny concept but has absolutely no sense in-game.

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              >since it hatches from an egg
              It doesn't.
              >all the pointless discussion about cradles or real eggs doesn't change anything about that
              Even if it didn't, the healthy stance would be to actually accept the official material over poketuber headcanon.
              That said, yeah, it does change things. A lot.

              > the fact that the "eggs" are actually "cradles" doesn't justify how a sword could reproduce together with a trash bag
              It quite literally does, by not actually reproducing.

              > but it still remains true that a sword and a trash bag produced an offspring together.
              Not technically. The entire point of egg lore(the actual one) is that most of the stuff remains misterious.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Anon...
                How do I say it...

                Do you even know what cradles are?

                I honestly feel like you are trolling at this point, what kind of argument is
                >"your logical point is wrong because I think so and I don't have an explanation because it's supposed to be mysterious"
                We aren't talking about eldrich lovecraftian entities here, just a children game.

                Pokémon DO reproduce, a male Pokemon and a female Pokemon (or a ditto) is needed in order to reproduce they DO mate and reproduce, the crate argument is that they do not all come in form of egg making all pokemon as a massive species, oviparies.

                Your point is that literally every pokemon capable of mating and reproducing puts its newborn in a egg-shaped cradle (and was born from it on its own) in which the Pokemon grows until it's comfortable enough to get out, cool, nice, but this changes nothing about Pokemon reproducing.

                If you are not trolling I suspect you may be bothered by the implication of cute animals you grew up with having sex, which I get might be disturbing but that's just how nature is. You were born out of a sexual act too anon, that being said maybe you have some unresolved issues if you are bothered by this fact, which is fine mind you, but I'd suggest, if that were the case, you should seek professional help

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Do you even know what cradles are?
                Not were babies are born from.

                >"your logical point is wrong because I think so and I don't have an explanation because it's supposed to be mysterious"
                Your point is not logical at all. And yes, pokemon are indeed supposed to be misterious as the actual text in the actual text(not that you would know that) explicitly tells you at the beggining of each game.
                Yes, its better not to explain things and to accept the magic sword and the magic trashbag are indeed magical over trying to think a sword and a trashbag can have sex (try positing that to people outside the pokemon fanbase), then get mad about how its incoherent, and ignore the actual lore they bothered to write to help you.

                >Pokémon DO reproduce
                No one ever said otherwise.

                >Your point is that literally every pokemon capable of mating and reproducing puts its newborn in a egg-shaped cradle
                Its not "my point". Its literally what is said in official material, which is what we should be going for instead of the ramblings of your favorite poketuber.

                >(and was born from it on its own)
                No one ever said this

                >If you are not trolling I suspect you may be bothered by the implication of cute animals you grew up with having sex
                You're the one so obsessed with the idea of them having sex you are outright denying literal evidence.

                >I get might be disturbing but that's just how nature i
                Yes, I will listen to the dude who thinks swords and trashbags sexually reproduce about nature.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >actual text in the actual text
                actual game*

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >The exhistance of Tandemaud and Maushold completely disintegrating what eggs are and evolution is.
      Only if you've no idea what either of those are.

      >we already had kangaskhan hatching with her baby
      We didn't. That's the point of eggs not being eggs.

      >Where is the egg? Why they reproduce like this ok their own but spawn from an egg if you make them reproduce?
      This is coherent with egg lore. daycare eggs and natural reproduction are a different thing.

      >Why is this considered an evolution? Why the same Pokemon+a child have a separate dex entry?
      The gen 2 zukan and porygon Z's entry go into how classification criteria can vary among researchers. Back then it was to justify having two spots for Nidoran, but Oak also brings up the Tauros-Miltank situation.

      >Why would a human mistake have its own entry in the dex?
      Check the #150 mon in the national dex.

      >why the frick the "wrong version" is a Pokémon but the right one is not?
      Because the right ones weren't discovered.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      I'd argue Kangaskhan hatching from an egg shows that they've never cared much for internal consistency.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >hatching from an egg

  26. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    I still can’t tell if real animals exist.
    If they don’t, then why is pikachu the electric mouse Pokemon? Wouldn’t people be curious what a mouse is?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      For things like this I would say "mouse" is a broader category of creatures that multiple species can partake in, much like real life actually. So Pikachu is a mouse, and so are most of the Pikaclones.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's worse
      Cyndaquil is a fire mouse despite not being even remotely a mouse
      Bidoof is a plump mouse and the same thing applies
      Shit's moronic

      • 5 days ago
        Anonymous

        I'm guessing the Japanese equivalent to "mouse" covers the broader semantic range of "rodent"

  27. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing about Pokemon "lore" makes sense and the more you think about it, the more it falls apart
    Just think of the fact that the people of Kanto, including a world famous scientist such as Oak, had no idea of the existence of the 100 species of Pokemon that live just west of Victory Road
    Or the nonsenical Pokedex entries that are written to sound cool without caring about whether they make sense or not, and they also often contradict the stats and movepools of Pokemon since these things are clearly handled by different series
    Pokemon just has a shit worldbuilding, it's a series meant to sell merchandise and Gamefreak clearly doesn't give a frick about anything else

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      They did give a frick until generation 2 where they made most of the dex cute and colorful and introduced babymons specifically for merch. They also toned down the hardcore aspects like whips out of fear of the west

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        This process was in full throttle during the development of Gen 1 already, the whips are just beta leftover

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >different series
      I meant to say different people*

  28. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    All this talk of shrinking and no sizegay poster.
    Am I even on Ganker?

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      People here are exclusively sexually attracted to children, animals or Cynthia, and the last one is its own containment thread

  29. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    homie their name is literally POCKET MONSTERS, MONSTERS THAT GO IN YOUR POCKET, be it through toys, cards, or the games themselves.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >this means the Pocket Monster itself physically shrinks into your pocket by its own power, rather than being technologically captured and compressed like how it has always been depicted in both anime and games for decades

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Any notions about pokemon shrinking due to high technology were thrown out with apricorn balls

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          The apricorn balls are still technological in their designs and animations.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Apricorn balls are just hollowed-out fruits made in a traditional, simple workshop, and the practice of their construction originated in ancient times. What technology are you expecting to be in them to compress the pokemon? Sorry anon, pokemon always shrank themselves, there was an official book released in Japan during Gen 1 that confirmed this. The anime made up the idea that high technology in the balls themselves was responsible.

            • 7 days ago
              Anonymous

              Apricorns are hardly more traditional than modern Pokéballs. Just look at them, nothing ancient about that. Kurt as a person has traditional aesthetics is all that can be said, but his method of manufacture is not special.
              >The anime made up the idea that high technology in the balls themselves was responsible.
              Nope, all the games show bright swirly energy animations for capturing Pokémon. I'm sorry your moronic headcanon has no in-game evidence anon.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                The moronic headcanon is that technology was responsible when the developers states that pokemon shrink themselves from the beginning. That's what the flash of light is. You're just ignoring that because that's your preferred headcanon.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                That's nice sweetie but we're talking about game evidence and lore.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                > all the games show bright swirly energy animations for capturing Pokémon

                Where is this "bright swirly energy" animation in gen 1 and gen 2?

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Not yet afforded by the graphics, but included in the remakes

  30. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >I made the response in OP.

    I'm famous, mom.

  31. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    The pre-Renaissance lore that the Pokemon world was actually just our world but with Pokemon in it. It works much better as its own world without regular animals.

  32. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    He's not worth (you)s anymore, but here is some ammo for the next time you anons see him trying to force his headcanon again
    Not official material!

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >bro TPC was mad with NoA localization in gen5, that's why ummm...

      Oh I can BTFO you on that too.
      https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2018/09/29/pokemon-super-mystery-dungeon-evolution-isnt-that-like-maturing-quickly-jpn-vs-eng/
      >inb4 "noooo spin-offs greenlit by Nintendo, GF and TPC don't count!"

      Not a single one of these discusses the daycare.
      And no, you can't diss official material and bring up official material.

  33. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    >bro TPC was mad with NoA localization in gen5, that's why ummm...

  34. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Dialga and Palkia are mythical Pokémon because Cyrus said so, and NPCs in games are never wrong

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Holy frick that looks bad. People here bought these remakes?

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Boss

  35. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    It's a really stupid thing to be peeved at but the fact that multiple ghost Pokemon are stated to once have been human (which in and of itself raises issues like what the frick does it mean to breed them, does someone just instantly die so they can become the baby?) But then there are just ghosts that exist, not ghost Pokemon, but ghosts of people that simply, uh, remained human for lack of a better term.

  36. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't know poketubers worked for GameFreak

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      [...]
      Not a single one of these discusses the daycare.
      And no, you can't diss official material and bring up official material.

  37. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Gym leaders use different teams depending on the experience of the challenger

    Frick off. I hate Origins for introducing that and I hate SV for making it canon. It makes no sense in the context of the games where many gym leaders claim you will never beat them, making it pretty clear they're not just testing you on a level they deem appropriate for you, but actually giving it their all. There's probably instances of gym leaders talking about their aces like they're their strongest Pokémon too, but admittedly I can't remember any examples from the games off the top of my head

    On top of that it's straight up contradicted by every game where gym leaders aren't always in order, including Scarlet Violet itself. Why does Katy say she's forced to use weak Pokémon because she's often the first stop for challengers, even though you can fight her 8th and she still uses her team of shitmons? If you're going to make it canon in the game where all gyms can be tackled in any order, Gamefreak, maybe actually implement different teams.

    Obviously it makes little sense that a first gym leader is so weak, but that's just how every RPG has ever worked. It also makes no sense that every regular trainer you come across just so happens to perfectly scale from your home town to the elite 4. It makes no sense wild Pokémon also scale like that. It makes no sense Giovanni uses weaker Pokémon during his attempts to take you down as a criminal than he does as a gym leader.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      B2W2 introduced that, not Origin.
      Some poketuber spread that it was Origin for some reason.
      Now that I think about it, its the same for BW and the multiverse.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Where is it stated in B2W2?

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Now that I think about it, its the same for BW and the multiverse.
        I'd argue that was Gen 1 though. Each version had an entirely different set of encounters. Stuff wild in one was trade-only in the other and the 4th version was basically the anime reference, which then formed the basis of Red's canon team and which needed trading between copies to achieve (becauie Yellow gets ignored for the events of RG when Game Freak reference their past).

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't make sense for Gym Leaders to be weaker than the player outside the very last one.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, I agree with you that these are contraddictory informations about gym leaders but I prefer the fact that they DO actually use different teams depending on the challengers badges.

      It makes more sense in an in-lore universe (why would a gym leader being beaten by a 10 yo that literally just started its journey? Gym leader are supposed to be the strongest trainers in the region)

      Also the original games, and anime either implies or directly state (can't remember id it's clearly stated or not) that there are more than 8 gyms in kanto (and that Kanto is bigger than the 10-ish cities that we see in the game) so it makes a lot more sense to have a large number of gyms of which you need to beat 8 of them to have a chance to challenge the league.

      But this was eventually retcnonned (well not properly a retcon but you get the point) later when it is no longer stated anymore and everyone acts like there are 8 and 8 gyms only so I guess that's normal now.

      That being said if this could be used as evidence b2w2 are set 2 years after bw and some gym leaders have weaker/almost identical teams than those in bw despite time passing (and them even fighting against the sages so confirming that they are the strongest) so this may prove a point in favor of them adapting to your team (of course if we ignore the obvious gameplay reasons)

  38. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yeah, insisting on the sex of fictional creatures is peak mental health.

  39. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Neither actually addresses the point.
    Not that you had one in the first place.

  40. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yeah, insisting on the sex of fictional creatures is peak mental health.

    Where is it stated in B2W2?

    >https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Cheren/Quotes#Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_2_and_White_2
    >"Professor Juniper, it's been a long time. I'm glad you're doing so well. The Gym Leader position is very tough… If I had my usual partners…"

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn't mean they scale. Just means he wishes he could battle without sticking to the normal type

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Bro...... Cheren had a Unfezant in BW1..... how you can argue he's doing anything but hold back in B2W2? He even uses his old team in Memory Link optional battle

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. I know.
          He's holding back, because he's required to. He was given a selection of Pokémon to use for his battle.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            They're his, you stupid frick, he went out and caught and trained a new set, specifically for his gym battles.
            The league only accredits you, they don't follow you around to wipe your arse, they do blind spot-checks to ensure your compliance with their regulations.

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              Of course. He caught and teained Pokémon specifically for gym battles.

              Still doesn't imply they scale.
              The league likely assigned a type and asked him to train Pokémon for that type.

              Also am I the only one who has to type the captcha like five times?

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          You're trying to reason with a schizo.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            I know. It sucks. As a person who analyzes the dialogue carefully, I dislike reasoning with schizos.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Doesn't mean they scale.
        Of course not, that'd mean the poketuber that told you it was introduced in origins would be wrong.

        >Now that I think about it, its the same for BW and the multiverse.
        I'd argue that was Gen 1 though. Each version had an entirely different set of encounters. Stuff wild in one was trade-only in the other and the 4th version was basically the anime reference, which then formed the basis of Red's canon team and which needed trading between copies to achieve (becauie Yellow gets ignored for the events of RG when Game Freak reference their past).

        >I'd argue that was Gen 1 though
        Only if you ignore what a video game is.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          They do scale and it was introduced in Origins. I don't think the Cheren quote means they do though. I don't think it was originally intended to mean that.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            You were literally given evidence of it meaning that.

            Yes. I know.
            He's holding back, because he's required to. He was given a selection of Pokémon to use for his battle.

            So... they scale?

            [...]

            I'm not the one posting random unrelated screencaps being mad about people not sharing my headcanon about magical creature sex.

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              >of it meaning that.
              Of it being introduced prior to Origin*

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              Yes they svale.

              But Cheren saying he wishes he had his original partners isn't saying anything about the scaling. I just can't see how it does. Could you explain it?

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >I just can't see how it does. Could you explain it?
                Are you moronic? Even pokemon fans understood the meaning of that when it came out.
                He directly confirmed not going all out against you, meaning he adjusted his team to what you as the MC can beat. There's no reading between the lines here anon.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yes because he was assigned the normal type and had to use a normal type team.

                He didn't use his original partners cause only his Unfeazant was normal type.

                He didn't use that because it'd be too strong as his old team is canonically Elite 4 level as he states in BW that he beat the E4.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                >He didn't use that because it'd be too strong as his old team is canonically Elite 4 level as he states in BW that he beat the E4.
                So he scales, gotcha.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, exactly

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                Tbh I've never seen anyone mention it.

                Not even people like Joe Merrick have mentioned that as far as I know.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                You weren't there at the time, but it did happen.
                After Origin came out, the narrative was changed to it being introduced there for some reason.
                Joe also doesn't even deal with lore.

  41. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty much everything related to Galar is stupid. Dynamaxxing, the ugly dogs and the energy crisis, just throw the whole region away. Nobody will miss it.

    Pokémon eggs not actually being eggs is moronic. Animals frick, everybody knows this. You're not saving children from the evils of le sex Gamefreak, you're just making a basic natural process some vague, convoluted magic bullshit. Frick off.

    The ORAS timeline split. Nobody needed an explanation as to why Gens 1-5 didn't have megas. Parallel universes are bad writing, stop using them. For that matter, stop with the asspull explanations about why the new regional gimmicks can only be used in their respective regions. It doesn't need to be explained, and the explanations they come up with are almost always worse than just saying nothing at all.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      > Animals frick, everybody knows this.
      swords and trash bags don't.

      >Nobody needed an explanation as to why Gens 1-5 didn't have megas.
      The very same narrative that pushes that it split gen 1-5 to 6 is literally based on such an explanation being needed.

      [...]

      >He's talking to the protagonist, a child, and it's not okay to talk about how sex works to a random kid.
      Why does another kid do the same thing in ORAS then?

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Why does another kid do the same thing in ORAS then?
        He was told the same thing and repeats what he was told. Duh.
        Besides, would you put a kid NPC, who explains sex and genitals to the player, into a game that is played by kids? Him being a kid doesn't alleviate the issue at all compared to the old fart.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >He was told the same thing and repeats what he was told. Duh
          Kek, you're desperate.

          >would you put a kid NPC, who explains sex and genitals to the player, into a game that is played by kids?
          No, but if I intended the daycare workers to be hiding such info to the player, I would have them be adults as usual and not have kids who are implied to know about sex. At that point you might as well do the same as the dialogue where they explain you the mulch.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Pretty much everything related to Galar is stupid. Dynamaxxing, the ugly dogs and the energy crisis, just throw the whole region away. Nobody will miss it.
      True, although I'd keep the Calyrex questline.

  42. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    clearly pokemon just eat a bunch of dirt and plant matter, coat the unborn pinky with it, and shit out the egg. fricking idiots

  43. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >It's not confirmed in any way, shape or form
    Except by guide book and in-game, but why actually regard the lore, when you can just stick your ovipostition fetish in instead and call it done.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Source?
        TPC taking localisation off NoA for Gen 5's localisation and Game Freak repeating known, accepted lore in Japan in-game on the reg since, knowing that TPCi will translate it correctly (Egg lore came from the gen 2 guidebook they'd put out in Japan, which was made while Tajiri was still making the games, just as the Gen 1 book had shrink lore gotten straight from the boss's mouth too).
        But really, "ちいさくなる Shrink" became "minimize", "はねる Hop" became "Splash" and Nob Ogasawara has gone on record several times stating burger executives over-ruled him constantly and told him to not use the proper translations. This whole shit-show started because some afterbirth moron bastard couldn't accept shrinking lore had been a thing since series inception, something the Japanese knew and had accepted and crucially, couldn't understand why the west DIDN'T know or realise this already. But because they can't understand it, Game Freak are making sure people understand it now.

        >Headcanon is a word used in film/television/comics/etc. fandom that refers to something a fan imagines about the characters (such as a scenario or relationship) but that doesn't appear on screen/on the page.
        So the very fact Game Freak spent company time, project funds and staff effort to add this to their games proves it's not "headcanon" because the creators are the ones pushing it. Go back to school if you can't comprehend simple english, it's clear you haven't even the comprehension level of Pokémon's target market, let alone a full-grown adult.
        [...]
        It's not meant to, or rather it's irrelevant to how they wish to present to the world. We already have nulltards claiming because the daycare staff say to the protags (who are all pre-teen children) "oh, we don't know how the egg got here", pokémon don't sexually reproduce, despite the only way to get an egg being put a male and female or a male/female and the canon mimic of indeterminate gender pair into the daycare. Never mind the blurb they attendant would say to kids being an oblique hint to how sexually interested the pair were with each other ("it's more interested in playing with other pokémon" - they not gonna frick dude/"the two get along rather well!" - they be fricking like rabbits mang). Do you honestly think they WANT to explain how a freshly-hatched Kangaskhan gets a baby? No. But Tajiri didn't want to put a kangaroomon into his game series, without at least displaying it was a kangaroo by detailing its pouch. The fact they went and made it an exclusively female species shows they at least were thinking several steps ahead (as they'd tried to add breeding and genders to Gen 1 and had to shelve it). Remember, pokémon obliterate the laws of our natural world just by existing. Thus applying our real-world laws to their universe is not only folly, but shows how autistic you are, by insisting it MUST be the same as the real world. When dogs learn to spit fire, you'll have a point.

        >we already had kangaskhan hatching with her baby
        Except we didn't. And it's ironic you use the pokémon based off an animal that does similar to how eggs are portrayed in-canon in your example. Proof you can lead a 'tard to the truth but can't make them think. Pokémon give birth to pinkies, then place them in the egg, where they can develop fully to entre the world, in the absence of a mother to guide and watch over them, like kangaroos (and other marsupials) give birth to an underdeveloped functional foetus, which crawls into its mother's pouch to then continue the rest of its development in safety, while the mother is allowed the freedom to thrive (mother kangaroos pursued by predators will jettison Joey to make an escape if needed). It's yet more OG lore NoA thought they didn't need to tell kids about, not understanding they were growing autistic drone fanboys while doing it thus kinda needed to tell them the truth (this wasn't a "Santa Claus" situation after all).

        You having a melty and stamping your feet, does not change Game Freak's opinion on the matter. Cry more, you moronic little afterbirth.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          None of these posts tackle my points. And there's something hypocritical about you accusing me of having a melty and stamping my feet while calling me a "moronic little afterbirth". You're sure you're not talking about yourself there, buddy?
          Still waiting for you to address dex entries and Nidoran lore.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            [...]
            [...]
            You having a melty and stamping your feet, does not change Game Freak's opinion on the matter. Cry more, you moronic little afterbirth.

            Oh and still waiting for that explanation how limbless non-psychic Pokémon gather plants and mud to then craft shells, without hands or telekinetic powers.

            • 6 days ago
              Anonymous

              Cute, given you have never addressed how a sword and a trashbag have sex.

              • 6 days ago
                Anonymous

                The male sword goes into the female's scabbard.
                The male trashbag deposits trash into the female's opening.
                Ye of little imagination.

  44. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Pokemon can shrink how do you think they can fit in Pokeballs?

  45. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >I think you are, which is why you refuse to address all the evidence and dex entries
    I did though. You ignored the address.

    > Explicitly stating that eggs are laid.
    On nature anon, not at the day care.

    >Meanwhile none of your precious nameless daycare NPCs state anything about any other ways of eggs coming to be than being laid.
    "my" precious nameless NPCs are actual characters in the actual game, not your favorite poketuber.
    The very fact you don't see them laid in SV picnics should tell you enough, but SV is sadly an official game which you didn't play.

    >Honestly, you are mentally ill. Stay away from children.
    You're the one who outright implied this to be the case for the battle resort kids though, so you're the mentally ill one if anything. Which, I mean, we knew because you're obsessed with whether magical fictional creatures have sex.

    You don't play the games and you don't care about the lore at all. Its clear you are either sex-obsessed or just worship a poketuber too much.

    Eggs are cradles, this was outright stated in official material and in any other fanbase it would not be argued or taken as a "view" or "opinion" but as fact.

    Enjoy the rest of your meltdown.

    [...]
    >It's not confirmed in any way, shape or form
    Except by guide book and in-game, but why actually regard the lore, when you can just stick your ovipostition fetish in instead and call it done.

    this

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >I did though.
      You didn't. You keep running away from these like a cowardly rat. Just like you pathetically refuse to tell me how limbless Pokémon can assemble shells together without hands or telekinetic powers.
      >On nature anon, not at the day care.
      Are you saying that they lay eggs but only in the wild and not at the daycare? That's rich. More headcanon. But I challenge you to provide evidence.
      >"my" precious nameless NPCs are actual characters in the actual game
      And thus less credible than the official game guide and pokedex entries.
      >not your favorite poketuber
      Who are you talking about, you schizophrenic insane buffoon?
      >The very fact you don't see them laid in SV picnics should tell you enough, but SV is sadly an official game which you didn't play.
      Now latching on to PICNICS to push your headcanon? b***h, do you see Pokémon crafting eggs from mud and plants there?
      Or are you now going to push a point that eggs appear out of thin air in the basket? Did you play the game as I have?
      >You're the one who outright implied this to be the case for the battle resort kids though
      I don't have a clue what you're talking about, schizo. I said it's not acceptable for in game NPCs to explain genitals and sex to the protagonist - a kid - and by extension, kids playing the game. Which is why they befuddle the matter by uttering the word "cradles" and not elaborating whatsoever.
      But you keep coping.
      >[more baseless insults and made up shit]
      Which poketuber hurt you? I don't know any myself.
      Eggs are laid. There doesn't exist evidence of crafting "cradles".

      Cute, given you have never addressed how a sword and a trashbag have sex.

      I don't know how they do it, but they do. That's how reproduction works, kid. PMD recognizes sex.

      Oh I can BTFO you on that too.
      https://kantopia.wordpress.com/2018/09/29/pokemon-super-mystery-dungeon-evolution-isnt-that-like-maturing-quickly-jpn-vs-eng/
      >inb4 "noooo spin-offs greenlit by Nintendo, GF and TPC don't count!"

      >if you disagree with my favorite poketuber then its irrelevant

      Telltale sign of mental illness.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Eggs are laid. There doesn't exist evidence of crafting "cradles".

        [...]
        >It's not confirmed in any way, shape or form
        Except by guide book and in-game, but why actually regard the lore, when you can just stick your ovipostition fetish in instead and call it done.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >no evidence
          >no points addressed
          I'm deriving great pleasure from watching you twist and squirm in agony of being blown the frick out.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, when you ignore the canon, I can see how your incel points aren't entertained.
            Sadly, the canon is the only true depiction of the world and the canon considers them cradles, not laid eggs like the afterbirth fixated on pushing her sexual fantasies in a media that resists the association thinks they must be.
            Corruption of Champions is more your speed. You can get ovipositioned AND get yourself an ovipositor to boot. But that shit doesn't apply to Pokémon, Tajiri's autism didn't allow him to portray them as actual eggs, he HAD to tell the guide-writers they were actually cradles. As always, it was NoA's fault for not doing right by the IP and teaching the drones they were brainwashing the actualities of the universe presented.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't know how they do it, but they do.
        I thought that it was wrong they didn't explain every single detail anon.
        >That's how reproduction works, kid.
        Sure, you totally know that.

        • 5 days ago
          Anonymous

          >no substance

          Your post is too long. You're mad about something, and considering this is a board about Pokemon, it's definitely something unimportant. Go take a break for several days

          I'm sorry your tiktok distraction-addicted brain cannot handle reading a longer post, let alone a book.

          He's mad his favorite poketuber's sex jokes aren't canon.

          What poketuber? Tell me, schizo.

          Yeah, when you ignore the canon, I can see how your incel points aren't entertained.
          Sadly, the canon is the only true depiction of the world and the canon considers them cradles, not laid eggs like the afterbirth fixated on pushing her sexual fantasies in a media that resists the association thinks they must be.
          Corruption of Champions is more your speed. You can get ovipositioned AND get yourself an ovipositor to boot. But that shit doesn't apply to Pokémon, Tajiri's autism didn't allow him to portray them as actual eggs, he HAD to tell the guide-writers they were actually cradles. As always, it was NoA's fault for not doing right by the IP and teaching the drones they were brainwashing the actualities of the universe presented.

          >no substance
          >just shit flinging and made up shit
          Hey, are you going to tell me how limbless Pokémon craft eggs? They grow hands for the duration of it or what?
          >you ignore the canon
          >not laid eggs
          Bro the dex entries and Nidoran entry in the Japanese guide?
          You're heavily troubled. Seek mental help. Every generation including the latest one explicitly state that eggs are laid.
          Nothing in the history of this franchise states that they aren't laid.
          Go and seek a therapist if you cannot get over that.

          • 5 days ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not the mentally deranged little gay crying her sex fetish is canon though. I suggest you seek therapy, if you're actually mentally defective to the point you think you're Tajiri and get to set the canon of the kid's series.

            • 5 days ago
              Anonymous

              You lost. Please cry about some made up poketubers which nobody watched some more. Add in some more baseless insults while you're at it too.
              Nothing will ever change the undeniable, unquestionable fact that you are wrong and got BTFO.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        Your post is too long. You're mad about something, and considering this is a board about Pokemon, it's definitely something unimportant. Go take a break for several days

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          He's mad his favorite poketuber's sex jokes aren't canon.

  46. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Pokeballs are just a shrink ray for Pokemon, I would say try to change my mind but you can't since it's fact.

  47. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Autism: The thread

  48. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Ok I give up, honestly impossible to have a serious conversation with schizos and trolls spouting their nonsense have a good one guys

  49. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Since this thread is almost over, I'd just like to say that I've still yet to see good arguments and evidence in favour of the literal interpretation of Pokémon shrinking and it appears that others here feel similar to me.

  50. 5 days ago
    Anonymous

    why didn't maxie/archie just throw a pokeball at groudon/kyogre AND THEN wake them up with the orb?

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Why would be the point of them doing that? What difference would that make?

      They can just easily exit the ball.

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's unclear what state they are in before "awakening". My theory is that Groudon and Kyogre are artificial weapons, and in this power-off state they wouldn't be Pokémon per se. This is purely my headcanon of course but it remains that this greyed out inactive state is presumably somehow special.
      Also, they still have a catch rate of 3. Maxie and Archie are huge jobbers and their teams would get folded by the legendaries long before they catch them, especially in Emerald.
      HOWEVER the Team Aqua Hideout contains a Master Ball. If that is their singular Master Ball that they left exposed for you to take then well

    • 5 days ago
      Anonymous

      Also I probably should've just said this right away but of course Archie and Maxie were both fully convinced they would have full control of the legendaries with their orbs thus making catching redundant, because they are apparently so severely moronic that they can't match basic colors

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