I've given up on ever being the damage dealer. I just want to be able to tank for my party and off heal sometimes. The fact that they made pally dress wearing healfags should never be forgiven and is all because Kaplan threw a fit because he was still seething about pallies in everquest.
ah yes, the eternal era warrior
good thing era still exists so all those fotm parse chasing trannies can shit up the already shitted up era servers, while Paladin Kings move on to greener pastures
I mean cool logs from plain old vanilla? Discovery is literally going to be the Paladin season. Warriors will be put into chastity cages, mages will be turned into buttslaves (healers lol) and rogues are going to tank I guess.
>Literally every other RPG ever made that had paladins in them >Paladins are magical warriors who serve mostly as tanks with mostly support spells, some offensive spells (especially against demons and the undead) and some kind-of-bad healing as the cherry on top. There might be alternative subclasses or specs that let the paladin trade in some of their defense and support to be a more offensive "smiter of evil."
>Vanilla World of Warcraft >Paladins are healers and only healers. All their gear just lets them heal better.
I honestly wonder what Blizzard was even thinking. The problem was that Paladins had access to Crusader Strike in the beta and were completely balanced around doing holy damage through Crusader Strike. Then, at the last moment, they replaced Crusader Strike with the Seal and Judgement system, which did NOT provide the level of holy damage that Crusader Strike provided, and so WoW paladins got put in the strange position of only really being good at healing. And, instead of realizing this mistake and fixing it, Blizzard doubled down and made all paladin equipment healing-oriented.
You don't understand because you have no empathy to a company, two decades ago, going into a market they knew nothing about trying to balance the most successful launch of any MMO ever. Fixing one class in the mountain of issues and challenges they were facing at the time isn't exactly high on the list of priorities. Especially since the level of minmax autism we have today didn't exist then, and people did tank and DPS as paladins it just took time for people to realise it was shit.
>You don't understand because you have no empathy to a company
You got it.
>Fixing one class in the mountain of issues
One of your classes being fundamentally broken isn't a minor issue to be pushed to the side. It's a major issue. In fact, it's one of the most major issues a game with classes in it can have outside of gamebreaking bugs. This goes doubly considering that this isn't the sort of game where you can just switch to another class. Going to another class means starting over again from scratch. What's more, the paladin was supposed to be the defining class of the Alliance faction, so it should have had top priority.
there's a lot of rumors and misinformation out there
interviews with devs leading up to classic shed some light on it. its probably a combination of >they ran out of time
and >former everquest player dev didn't like anything with a mana bar that could outshine his warrior
there's lots of old forum posts out there that reveal how hated paladins were by the team behind vanilla, so i'm inclined to believe some of it was at least intentional >then in TBC, horde got the superior "dps" seal
this was 100% intentional and done to rub salt in the wound of people asking to be taken seriously as a dps since vanilla launched
Paladin was one of the most iconic classes, with the hero in War 3 and unit in War 2. Also, the everquest guys weren't running the show initially. They got more and more responsibilities as time went on.
The Paladin being shit mechanically comes from it being one of the last classes to be finalised, but the everquest gang's bias is why it was neutered until WotLK.
I mean, there were a bunch of potential iconic classes that didn't make the cut. Necromancer, Witch Doctor, Spirit Walker and Spellbreaker come to mind.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Spell breaker would be a cool class but the entire play concept would be shitting on mages.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Might be tricky to differentiate Witch Doctor from Priest and Shaman, the latter straight up casts hexes.
Spell breaker would be a cool class but the entire play concept would be shitting on mages.
And that's a good thing.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Outside of the Necromancer, none of those are as close to the same level of iconic as the Paladin. And the Necromancer was initially planned, but cut because they couldn't work out how to differentiate it from the Warlock.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>retail demo lock is summoning demons out of your ass to bite shit for 10 seconds >this is literally what necromancer gameplay should be with decaying zombies
I am so mad
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>but cut because they couldn't work out how to differentiate it from the Warlock.
To make shit worse now with DK's there's even less reason to have it be its own standalone class
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The main character of Warcraft 3 is a paladin (later death knight) not having paladin as a playable class would have been completely retarded
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I did want spellbreakers since TFT
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Runemaster never making the cut will forever make me mad.
A hand-to-hand caster hybrid that buffs itself and the party with runes would have been absolutely fucking sick.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>witch doctor >spirit walker >spellbreaker
should have been racial versions of existing classes
ie a belf paladin is a spellbreaker
necro just isnt really compelling as a full class with the system they chose, maybe if there was just one "wizard" class and they had more specs than just fire/frost/arcane and necromancy was one of them
>the devs hated paladins >which is why they’re the most broken class in vanilla
Don’t listen to the schizo ramblings. He’ll cry until his class with 4 buffs, bubble, lay on hands, bop, freedom, and dispel does comparable dps to a class with 1 stun.
Paladin was one of the most iconic classes, with the hero in War 3 and unit in War 2. Also, the everquest guys weren't running the show initially. They got more and more responsibilities as time went on.
The Paladin being shit mechanically comes from it being one of the last classes to be finalised, but the everquest gang's bias is why it was neutered until WotLK.
The dev's bias for the horde is well known >completely breaks the lore for paladins so anyone can become a paladin if you say you love the sun
If you hate the very idea of a class, why put it in your game? If the devs hated paladins so much, why not just make something else?
because paladins have been part of warcraft's setting since warcraft 2, and leaving them out of the game entirely would spark questions when they're a fairly important part of the human faction
This poster is a paladin false flagging as an anti paladin player. paladins are going to be ridiculously OP in SoD. I wasnt going to play paladins because i dont like playing fotm god mode and feeling like i didnt earn my wins in pvp. The more i see people talk abou tthe game the more i realize paladin is actually a sleeper OP class in this so i dont feel as bad and will be maining paladin.
Paladins will break the PvP events though because of how one sided OP they are compared to other classes. >bro lets give the healing class with a 12 second immunity the burst of a rogue LMAO!
nice prank blizzard.
no. mages will wipe the floor with everyone and everything in pvp. their toolkit is fucking insane. it wont even be a question of whether or not they will be dueling gods. they will be gods period. expect to see 1v3s on a regular basis.
>retail
Most of them are TBC and Wrath, which is where all the shitty specs or full classes got improved. I think giving them to people at 25 is too early, but at the same time its a test bed by clearing labeling this stuff as Seasons. Meaning they can adjust them to level 50-60 talent later in a larger rework.
>classes and game mechanics widely unbalanced >content from 1 to 59 pointless filler >pvp only for no lifers >world pvp is kill >tons of unfinished and empty zones >not enough items and content >buff, world buff and class stacking cancer despite raids being easy >95 % of the time played consists of raiding and farming to fund raids >less than 5 % of the massive world actually played on by players >pain in the ass to find a group for regular content despite servers being full of players >faction balance broken >crafting largely pointless grind
but new op abilities from later expansions will fix everything
>content from 1 to 59 pointless filler
Its called enjoying the game.
I really don't get why people that wanted Classic Plus are disappointment.
I wanted Classic Plus and what I wanted was class + item rebalancing, and that's what they are giving us.
Because they wanted classic (1-60)
And the plus was content after Naxx that wasnt in the game
While they might get the content they wanted its not in the package they wanted.
>While they might get the content they wanted
Game is going to warp around the rune system and the content is going to show. There's no dedicated classic/sod team so it's going to be the most low effort reused asset shit possible. This is not what people meant by classic+. This is monkey paw at best
>Need Naxx gear to do new content
Most people didn't clear Naxx in Classic so they won't bother coming back >Don't need Naxx gear for new content
Hardcore players complain that it's pointless
The servers need to be fresh so it's easy for people to jump in and start with the changes. The changes can't happen after Naxx, because who the fuck is going to play for that long just to see some new stuff
I am not disagreeing with you.
Just saying thats what that group wanted.
I would have prefered Blood elves be added but i still going to play a priest anyway.
naxx is fucking gay cancer and i hope we get pvp gear that is on par with naxx gear.
imagine selling your soul for r14 only to have some invincible autistic keyboard turning raider decked out in naxx gear to mop the floor with you.
R14 is basically Naxx level gear though. If some carebear mops you with Naxx gear when you're in R14 then that's even more embarrassing.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
R14 is aq level gear.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>R14 is basically Naxx level gear though. If some carebear mops you with Naxx gear when you're in R14 then that's even more embarrassing.
lmao no it isn't. whats embarassing is you really believe r14 is as good as naxx.
r14 gear is slightly better than BWL gear and arguably on par with t2.5
nothing compares with naxx gear.
you are the dumbest gorilla in the jungle you stupid fuck. you can even look it up on wowhead. go do it.
You literally do not replace R14 as a warrior tank for a threat set. The weapons as DPS last you until Gressil/THC. It's itemized far better for PvP than all the low HP shit you get in AQ/Naxx. Just because you're too retarded to itemize things yourself and only listen to what wowhead and item levels are says wonders about your IQ.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>something something gorilla jungle noises
yeah right uhuh sure
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah the only thing you'd actually replace for PvP. Also Dark Edge is better since mace spec sucks and even for shaman/pally the proc is superior.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Yeah the only thing you'd actually replace for PvP. Also Dark Edge is better since mace spec sucks and even for shaman/pally the proc is superior.
all gear from naxx outclasses almost anything you get from aq40 or r14 for pvp regardless of what kind of procs they give simply due to the stats. you can try make some be a weasel and make some autistic argument about the tier bonuses or what ever, but you're just wrong.
i was being extreme. a skilled player in r14 should be able to beat a very shitty player despite them having naxx gear, but the difference in stats matter way more than you know. maybe its something you need to experience yourself. of course youre going to say you already have. everyone and their dog is an arena master etc on anonymous forums.
redpill me on turtle wow, is it worth playing?
its in europe and apparently pallies are absurd in pvp. but besides that its good because they added stuff to the game without going battshit crazy like blizzdevs. tbh though i didn't play it for very long because the latency pissed me off.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>R14 is basically Naxx level gear though. If some carebear mops you with Naxx gear when you're in R14 then that's even more embarrassing.
lmao no it isn't. whats embarassing is you really believe r14 is as good as naxx.
r14 gear is slightly better than BWL gear and arguably on par with t2.5
nothing compares with naxx gear.
you are the dumbest gorilla in the jungle you stupid fuck. you can even look it up on wowhead. go do it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
its between aq40 and bwl gear. aq40 tiersets and weapons (e.g edge of insanity) are better on average
what most people had in mind is spec specific tier sets, slight adjustments to class design, and new raids/content. not slotting in 9 spells into each class from other expacs (mostly). its really not that hard to understand, its literally that they are going too far.
Well these people are fucking idiots.
Raiding is boring and for losers, and why would you even want to raid in a game like Classic which has so many other problems (yes it has many great points as well)?
Vanilla is great, but it definitely needs tweaking. A lot of its systems feel badly adjusted and some feel like they stopped mid-way development. Improving the underlying basis is a lot more important than making content for a faulty base.
Im not sure the DOTA2 approach to balance where you break literally everything is going to be the best way for a game to play out.
Then again it works for dota2 in some strange way. >Raiding is boring and for losers,
Well ... you might be playing the wrong game then. I hope whatever server youre on will maintain its 50/50 split.
its not just about raiding, its also the fact that they are making classes too much like retail designs, and they haven't even released all the runes yet.
try not to hyper focus on a tiny component of my post, its annoying and wastes both of our time.
I agree that the class identity which is generally very strong in Vanilla might get worse, but whining pre-emptively is retarded. Yes they can fuck up the classes, but they can fuck up raids, and loot and everything else, yet you still want Classic-Plus, so you have to accept that risk.
Class balance was absolutely needed.
what most people had in mind is spec specific tier sets, slight adjustments to class design, and new raids/content. not slotting in 9 spells into each class from other expacs (mostly). its really not that hard to understand, its literally that they are going too far.
if turtlewow servers were closer to my country, i'd play that. that is more like what blizzard classic+ should be.
in otherwords, theres classic+ that has been done right, but blizzard does it wrong.
all you can do now is continue to strawman.
>classes and game mechanics widely unbalanced >content from 1 to 59 pointless filler >pvp only for no lifers >world pvp is kill >tons of unfinished and empty zones >not enough items and content >buff, world buff and class stacking cancer despite raids being easy >95 % of the time played consists of raiding and farming to fund raids >less than 5 % of the massive world actually played on by players >pain in the ass to find a group for regular content despite servers being full of players >faction balance broken >crafting largely pointless grind
but new op abilities from later expansions will fix everything
I admit being a minmaxer, but I played like that from release and what you are writing doesn't apply.
Fixing the things I listed will make the game enjoyable for any type of player, especially casuals, regardless of what class, faction or spec they want to play, while allowing them to have more horizontal progression, as well as making the content before lvl 60 more valuable and removing cancer mechanics such as world buffs, potion grinding, class stacking. It will also allow everyone to participate in pvp and benefigt from pvp rewards without quitting their job.
and game mechanics widely unbalanced
That's what makes it fun.
from 1 to 59 pointless filler
False. 1 to 59 is the best content the game has to offer. >>pvp only for no lifers
Yeah, you're right here.
pvp is kill
That's a problem with the playerbase. >>tons of unfinished and empty zones
Yes >>not enough items and content
False, it's just completely known. >>buff, world buff and class stacking cancer despite raids being easy
World buffs are aids >>95 % of the time played consists of raiding and farming to fund raids
Because of the playerbase meta obsession >>less than 5 % of the massive world actually played on by players
??? >>pain in the ass to find a group for regular content despite servers being full of players
Just needs the manual group builder menu like retail has. However it also needs jannies to ban carrys and ads.
balance broken
Always has been
largely pointless grind
Yeah, they need to add more strong items that can be crafted. Both bop and boe ones.
>False. 1 to 59 is the best content the game has to offer. >The best content the game has to offer is a stale levelling experience from 2005
wew laddie, rev up those credit cards
and game mechanics widely unbalanced >That's what makes it fun.
Ask any hunter or warlock if they enjoy sucking at the only thing they can contribute to a group
ask paladin if they enjoy wearing dresses
ask shamans and rogues if they actually have more than 1 viable spec
ask any player if they enjoy stacking 20 warriors into their raids
ask fire mages if it's fair that only out of them gets to damage
ask druids if they enjoy being the worst healer
ask priests if they enjoy being worse at healing than paladins
the class balance in vanilla is pure shit
[...]
from 1 to 59 pointless filler >False. 1 to 59 is the best content the game has to offer.
and it has almost 0 value once you hit 60
[...]
pvp is kill >That's a problem with the playerbase.
no, it was completely fine until they added battleground and the honor system
>>>not enough items and content >False, it's just completely known.
no class has very good or varied items for all slots and there is very little support for alternative specs, also there is no variety to best in slot items
>>>95 % of the time played consists of raiding and farming to fund raids >Because of the playerbase meta obsession
no, same as with world pvp, the devs created the wrong incentives with the game mechanics and content
>>>pain in the ass to find a group for regular content despite servers being full of players >Just needs the manual group builder menu like retail has.
Finding groups in world chat is just fine. All the game needs is more flexibility in group configurations. Funny enough, tanking rogues and warlocks are exactly what's going to fix the main reason for not finding groups: lack of tanks.
It will work, even if you take a tank rogue and a tank warlock that share stuff inbetween them.
[...]
balance broken >Always has been
Doesn't mean it need to stay that way. Either balance racials, or even better: enforce ratios on servers.
SoD is a literal microcosm of everything that is wrong with retail >max cap is 25 >whenever this is increased everything that you did before, all the gear and raids, will be immediately invalidated >Next to no content that'll be dripfed >Nothing else to do besides do raids or what's 100% going to be an imbalanced as fuck PvP scene with people 1 shotting everyone because low level scaling is fucked except now we have a ton more abilities from 2 expansions in the future
It's going to be a disaster
>whenever this is increased everything that you did before, all the gear and raids, will be immediately invalidated
So you think whatever gear drops in that BFD raid is going to be immediately invalidated by the random greens you find at level 26?
Do you think that's what people mean about their gear being made useless whenever a new raid tier is released muchless what happens when a new expansion is released with a level cap increase which is closer to what's going to happen in SoD? Jesus Christ you people are so disingenuous
But the gear you get in BFD will be very useful in the level 35 raid, just like gear in MC is very useful in BWL. In retail your Mythic gear is fucking useless in the next Mythic raid, you have to grind Heroic raid and M+ to get the new baseline before even trying the Mythic raid
>But the gear you get in BFD will be very useful in the level 35 raid, just like gear in MC is very useful in BWL
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wheres the source of it being not useful for the next tier? I think it makes more sense for this gear to follow every other tier in existence. But if you think they're going to do something different for the first time in 20 years then you MUST have a source for your outrage right? RIGHT?!
Anon. For an item to be good across multiple tiers it needs to be BiS in its raid tier, and remain BiS still in the next raid tier. Using an item until it's replaced as soon as the next ilvl tier is dropped is exactly the same as using a blue from BFD until you get an upgrade from the next dungeon. You guys are genuinely retarded.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do you expect the 7 boss raid to drop an item for every single slot for every class? I bet there's a good ring/trinket/armor piece that won't be replaced in the next raid, because the next raid simply doesn't drop items for that slot. Just like how every raid tier works in Classic
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You sound like you're actively trying to find something to be angry about, but you're too stupid to actually come up with something decent so this is all you can say
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>i can't counter his argument so I'll just insult him instead
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You didn't make an argument. You just said something thats untrue lol
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>remain BiS still in the next raid tier
It's shame that most gear in WoW has never been like that including in OG Vanilla.
To be fair by the next level cap the gear will need to be replaced. Just like when a new raid tier drops. You use your old stuff until you can replace it, which happens rather quickly. Anyone starting in phase 2 won't even bother with BFD.
possibly untrue depending on how hard the next tier is
In actuality you have no idea. There could be a rune you get from BFD that is practically required for the next tier
Anon, are you being retarded for the sake of being retarded? Level 25 items will be irrelevant by the time people hit the next level cap, especially weapons for rogue/warrior/paladin/hunter.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
really? so people dont use whirlwind axe for 20 levels? weird. Almost like you're actually just inventing something to be angry about. That or you dont understand wow in the slightest.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They use WW axe for so long because it is over leveled at the earliest level you can get it. As soon as people can replace it, they do.
WW axes is ilvl 40, and requires level 30.
Ravager is ilvl 42, and requires level 37.
Bonebiter is ilvl 44, and most people don't do SM cath till level 38-40.
WW is in this pocket of existence where its got 10 level of no competition, and is very OP when you first get it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
okay, now tell me what you're going to replace these with by 40
go on I'll wait
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The trinkets they will add for the level 40 raid of course.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>vanilla gear >won't last several levels
Retail players...
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
they legitimately just cant comprehend something besides world quest gear
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wheres the source of it being not useful for the next tier? I think it makes more sense for this gear to follow every other tier in existence. But if you think they're going to do something different for the first time in 20 years then you MUST have a source for your outrage right? RIGHT?!
>next raid is at level 40 >thinking you wont get a corpsemaker at 29 instead of using this dogshit for 15 levels
the only thing people will be wearing are the trinkets because there is nothing else for that slot
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
wow a single item
cool stuff retard
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
compared to this shit, only 4 levels higher
wow a single item
cool stuff retard
its literally the first item i saw from the new BFD loot. you can check the rest, I'm sure its going the be same.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm sure its going the be same.
It isn't
Stop thinking, it clearly doesn't work out well for you
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>gets BTFO with an example >crys and pretends its not happening then moves the goalposts
weird cope, gl with that 🙂
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
huh? How did I get BTFO exactly? all anyones proven is that the next raid tier will have better gear than BFD. Which proves my point lmao. Enjoy your schizo moment though!
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
hopefully the last boss of that raid drops a lvl 25 blue that competes with lvl 30 stuff. I mean at least the trinket will be decent until 60
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm almost expecting there will be level 25 epics to make farming BFD every 3 days worthwile.
The gear we've seen so far isn't really any better than what you can get in SFK/RFK/Gnomer.
They've also said the next tier is going to be level 40 so yeah 100% of what you get in BFD will be useless by the next "raid"
>whenever this is increased everything that you did before, all the gear and raids, will be immediately invalidated
oh so just like every other tier in existence got it >Next to no content that'll be dripfed
you'd complain that it's invalidating older content anyway >Nothing else to do besides do raids or what's 100% going to be an imbalanced as fuck PvP
so basically the same as every other wow expansion? You're a dumbass
>so basically the same as every other wow expansion? You're a dumbass
It's kinda like... people wanted classic+... instead of more retail design... which is the entire point of my post if you weren't being a disingenuous homosexual
It's kinda like.... you're literally getting more content for classic than just raids and imbalanced PvP. And your dumbass is still complaining. So yeah. You're the disingenous homosexual here dipshit
>content
Really fucking reaching with that word, aren't ya homosexual >No, you see, a raid that you'll be able to do and beat within a day is content! And every 3 days you can do it again! More content! >No, you see, because there's reused mobs with maybe 1 or 2 extra abilities it's totally different!
This is not what people wanted when they said they wanted more content. This is what retail players view as content, because the only thing they've done in the past decade is run on the gear treadmill and PvP. The only actual content WoW has ever added to their game was fucking battlepets and it's decrepit.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Really fucking reaching with that word, aren't ya homosexual
no? multiple new instances and outdoor pvp zones seems like content to me. What do you want some new furry race for you to goon to? You're so angry and wrong it's actually hilarious.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>more of the same is content
Damn, you reek of plebbit. People like you are why Blizzard has used and abused their playerbase, because you people have no self-respect or standards
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>more of the same is content
huh? literally what are you talking about? You expecting something besides raids and pvp? You want them to add torghast or someshit? Use your words instead of having a legit mental breakdown dipshit. Because new raids and pvp zones is legit content whether your tiny brain can comprehend that or not.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Because new raids and pvp zones is legit content whether your tiny brain can comprehend that or not.
I'm sure that's what Blizzard tells themselves too so they don't have to actually put effort into their game
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Like I said, feel free to use your big boy words to describe what new content you want to see. Otherwise you're legitimately just crying like a little bitch
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Like I said, feel free to use your big boy words to describe what new content you want to see
It has already been said what people wanted out of classic +. It's so fucking funny seeing you retards have selective memory just so you can ad hom your way through an argument
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It has already been said what people wanted out of classic +
yeah they wanted the unfinished content to be added onto and new raids and pvp zones which we're getting and more >It's so fucking funny seeing you retards have selective memory just so you can ad hom your way through an argument
I mean you're literally not making an argument. You're just denying reality and inventing things to be upset about. Truly the definition of mentally ill
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>yeah they wanted the unfinished content to be added onto and new raids and pvp zones which we're getting and more
The disingenuity is palpable
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The disingenuity is palpable
once again
name some content you want to see that isnt raids, pvp, new world bosses, and open world content
we are all waiting
just say it bud
it must be super easy for you since you're so angry
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
also >Say i'm using ad hominem when you've now made multiple posts flat out not even answering a simple question instead resorting to just saying homosexual in every single post
truly you are insane. get help bud
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It just redditors and blizzard shills trying to gaslight. They don't want an argument they want to lie and obfuscate.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Name the content you want to see that they arent adding. We're waiting. Keep name calling all you want but you're not making any arguments, you're just having a mental breakdown on Ganker kid
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>makes 50+ posts in this thread >accuses others of having a mental breakdown
interesting tactic!
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
huh? is that what you want to see in the game? or is this just you crying more without making any points?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice to see wow threads have there share of schizos
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
huh? is that what you want to see in the game? or is this just you crying more without making any points?
>NOOO YOU HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH MY BAD FAITH ARGUMENTS AND TROLLING!
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
actually i was thinking the person you responded to but either way.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice projecting. Still waiting for you to stop crying and trolling and say something productive.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
take your meds schizo >you're actually sitting there crying right now youre so angry
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It just redditors and blizzard shills trying to gaslight.
It's the exact same talking points you see on plebbit riddled with deflection and selective amnesia and strawmans
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah. I'm not sure if its the same kinda people or they are just copy pasting those retarded reddit arguments to troll. Either way it isn't worth engaging with them.
yeah thats exactly his point dumbass. its just like retail raid tiers. in vanilla there is dungeon gear that will last you several raid tiers. this is just retail for classicbabies that want all the character power but not of the mechanics.
one shotting, and actually being able to kill anything in pvp is a thing i miss from old xpacs. in newer xpacs they make it so its hard to do any damage without cooldowns. its cringe as fuck. pvp was better when one or 2 wrong moves meant almost instant death. thats actually what oldschool pvp was like.
the only other thing i'm really worried about in SoD is ruining vanilla classes. they said they'd keep things vanilla, but theyre really going nuts on messing with the core gameplay. it doesn't seem like theyre taking a careful approach at all.
I was talking to a girl on tinder for a few days and planning a date. I told her during the deep dive I was deleting the app because of a new wow expansion. I am 35
>who do people say "dude" and not "man"
It's pretty normal casual speak, ESL-kun. Nobody says dudette, and the only people who use "gal" are working customer service or old.
It's about what I expected from modern blizzard, taking a decent idea and fucking it up out of pure laziness or incompetence. Recycling abilities and calling them "runes" is lame, and releasing with a level cap of 25 with one (1) tuned up reused dungeon comes across as them testing the waters in the laziest possible way imaginable while still milking subs via timegating. All the new content will get completed within a day or two, people will complain about nothing to do, and blizzard will probably shrug their shoulders and scrap the idea, writing it off as a failure.
I find it funny that anyone believed modern blizzard is capable of delivering on this.
The old Blizzard barely fucking understood what they did right with vanilla after all. Lightning in a bottle shit right there.
>people wanted "classic +" to be just taking vanilla and buffing underperforming specs and adding some new endgame content / fleshing out unfinished zones >instead we get "vanilla but with retail class design" and time-gated leveling to milk monthly subs
bravo, blizzard
It's an intentional move by Blizzard to fuck up adding content to vanilla so that the server dies before anyone hits 60 and they can claim nobody actually wanted Classic+
They want people in retail where the monetization is and they know if they fuck around and put it into classic people will go back to private servers and they'll lose player numbers which looks bad to shareholders
Expect retail to go full Destiny 2, Delves are already the fuckin, whatever the solo "dungeon" content is and Trader's Post is going full Eververse
Expansions will go down to $40 and they'll charge $10 for every mid expansion patch
But anon, nobody knew what they wanted with classic+ and there was never a consensus according to retards
So let me get this new disaster straight >Vanilla server >Slower than vanilla leveling due to new content and quests >New rune system for helms/chest/arms/legs which give new or update old abilities >Runes are hidden around the world and need to be found to be unlocked >Are unlocked permanently on your account not character >Runes improve existing subclasses, or brand allow new subclasses like tank warlock and tank rogue >Most runes so far are for tanks/healing, the biggest bottleneck in vanilla >Most runes are similar to or identical to popular class additions from future expansions >25 max level so end game is not relevant for now >new 10-man raid at level 25 >Testing what they are adding now to see what works then adding cut content and new content progressively until they hit level cap
Jesus this is horrific. They're basically taking vanilla, a beloved product which everyone has played to death and introducing new content so its fresh while tackling some of vanillas largest issues. They should burn in hell for this.
Ah yes, drip feeding content and adding retail abilities haphazardly, truly the saviors of classic wow
who even cares about damage meters. If you can easily understand raid mechanics it doesn't matter if you can kill a boss 10 seconds earlier than usual. The real balance is utility in pvp
Half of the draw they have planned out (the pvp zone stuff) will be DOA because factions will be completely imbalanced. Paladins are literally 2 expansions ahead on every spec, and druids got windfury. Shamans got nothing even close. Cool ideas but no balance also means no faction balance and blizzard won't bother with that.
I am surprised they didn't look at racials to try to atleast make them more event, without copy pasting like they just did with Druid WF shit. Imagine if Shamans got Bloodlust, people would be losing their mind right now.
They are probably counting on the world PvP zone being DOA. That way they wont have to try and balance these OP retail abilities in zero resilience PvP and can stick to trying and failing to balance them for the shitty raids they come up with.
I don't think anyone gives a shit tbh. If you raid you play retail, if you PvP you play vanilla or progressive. This version adds leveling content and mostly tanks/healers for dungeons/raids variety and removal of bottlenecking.
Tldr after 20 years of trying to balance open world PvE, Open and instanced PvP and Raiding all in one game they've just separated it all.
So let me get this new disaster straight >Vanilla server >Slower than vanilla leveling due to new content and quests >New rune system for helms/chest/arms/legs which give new or update old abilities >Runes are hidden around the world and need to be found to be unlocked >Are unlocked permanently on your account not character >Runes improve existing subclasses, or brand allow new subclasses like tank warlock and tank rogue >Most runes so far are for tanks/healing, the biggest bottleneck in vanilla >Most runes are similar to or identical to popular class additions from future expansions >25 max level so end game is not relevant for now >new 10-man raid at level 25 >Testing what they are adding now to see what works then adding cut content and new content progressively until they hit level cap
Jesus this is horrific. They're basically taking vanilla, a beloved product which everyone has played to death and introducing new content so its fresh while tackling some of vanillas largest issues. They should burn in hell for this.
Yep, and there's no incentive to keep raiding BFD for 3+ months when low level gear barely makes a difference and wont be needed to progress in the next tier. Servers are gonna be dead after a month while everyone waits for a new level cap.
It's gonna be solved in a week and everyone will go back to being bored.
>This is your brain on end-game
I'm going to say something shocking, you might want to sit down, most people play WoW slowly over months and enjoy exploring and leveling and don't read every guide just to minmax poopsock.
What exactly is wrong with the majority of people wanting to come home and just log in, do some leveling with friends, experiment on builds in their own time and take months to finish a character then do it again?
Are you just scared at the idea that people can be happy?
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Anonymous
you can do what you want obviously if youre solo. but you waste other players time by being shit, using random nooby builds and gear, you know some bosses enrage timers are tight (or at least they used to be). you have to pull your own weight in a team and not be carried by others.
Na, the people who care about end-game minmax are cockblocked due to it only being level 25. 99% of peoples time will be spent leveling and finding the runes.
Level 25 IS the endgame, dumbass. People will just minmax level 25 until the cap raises, then minmax 35, and so on. It's no different to having a base game and releasing expansions, players just minmax what's in front of them then get bored.
The runes will be datamined and locations known within 24 hours, and even lobotomized gamerdads will be 25 in the first week. There will be nothing to do after a month.
Level 25 IS the endgame, dumbass. People will just minmax level 25 until the cap raises, then minmax 35, and so on. It's no different to having a base game and releasing expansions, players just minmax what's in front of them then get bored.
Most people will take weeks to get to 25, and will want to level multiple characters given the new specs so no.
Level 25 IS the endgame, dumbass. People will just minmax level 25 until the cap raises, then minmax 35, and so on. It's no different to having a base game and releasing expansions, players just minmax what's in front of them then get bored.
>Plays WoW to minmax and rush end-game purely to raid >Gets to raids, hates the entire experience of having to be in a group of 39 others >Bitches and cries WoW is shit and dead after spending literally months to years on each version of it that launches >Gets violently upset at the concept of people playing with friends, slowly leveling and questing over months and enjoying different builds and specs in the same old content
I don't think there is any group of gamers who are more cucked than end game players/raiders. Y'all mentally retarded and need therapy.
Yeah yeah we had this whole discussion when classic was first announced and everyone pretended they were gonna take their time and smell the roses. Sure lots of people did play slow but MOST ended up dungeon spamming cleave groups. If you think this will be different you are severely retarded. Wow is shit because the players are shit and will minmax the fun out of the game at every opportunity.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Sure lots of people did play slow
The overwhelming majority did. Glad you agree now fuck off with your self-hating dysphoria.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>majority
no. You can be delusional all want, looking forward to seeing you cope when BFD GDKPs are being run in the first week
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
What's the best level 25 farm for gold?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
doing GDKPs with gold buyers
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
See
Anon if you want to be depressed, do it by yourself and stop feeling the need to tell people about it
We aren't your therapist
Im sure they will be, doesn't matter to 99% of players who just enjoy vanilla with new content. But you keep being sad and mad about fun anon I'm sure that'll fix your depression.
Sure retail has more extravagant quests, but it will play the same. Extremely op abilities at really low levels. Class homogenization.
You have never played vanilla.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>99%
Yeah you didn't play classic or you quit in phase 2. Stay delusional
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NOOOO IT CANT BE PEOPLE DONT HAVE FUN LEVELING THEY MUST BE DEPRESSED AND MINMAX RAIDERFAGS LIKE ME
We're not your therapist. Seek help.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
And vanilla was insanely successful and revitalized the WoW community. It must be hard to be a retailfag and have to accept that people just don't give a shit about end game.
>Runes are hidden around the world and need to be found to be unlocked >Are unlocked permanently on your account not character >Runes improve existing subclasses, or brand allow new subclasses like tank warlock and tank rogue
this sounds literally like WoW Ascension private server in some ways
Every choice Paladins got for runes are obscenely powerful, % mana regeneration on THREE fucking runes one of them being their most used attack spell. AOE cleave that fucking AOE heals. Literally none of their rune choices are even a little bad.
wait
Shield of Righteousness does 167-197 damage and hits three targets and DAZES them for 10 seconds? That seems a little much, are paladins just not allowed to have a fucking weakness anymore?
>used to use mug o' hurt in classic in AV solely because it caused an undispellable 10 sec daze >severely gimped my damage as a result and it wasnt a guaranteed proc >now its back but in aoe form that does good damage
im laffin, you bitches wont escape
Heals the target for 485 health over 3 sec and applies Temporal Beacon for 30 sec.
Druids get this : Lifebloom
lifebloom icon Lifebloom
Heals the target for 45 over 7 sec. When Lifebloom completes its duration or is dispelled, the target instantly heals for 91 and the Druid regains half the cost of the spell. This effect can stack up to 3 times on the same target.
I mean that just seems like powercreep, oh and apparently the mage heal puts a 30 second buff on the target so they next arcane spell they cast makes it's damage heal them for 100% of the damage of the spell...
I hope that costs a fuck ton of mana because that is a ton of damage for a spell at level 25. Druids get this at 25 and it's definitely gonna be weak as piss since there's like no talents that will buff it by 25
If you don’t have a healer, you clearly don’t need taunt.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You clearly have never played a tank.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have been main tank for multiple realm firsts.
I am going to be main tank my guild for sod.
If there’s no healing required, there’s only a few mobs. If there’s only a few mobs, even with just tab abilities you can handle threat.
I’m gonna roll lock because they seem like they will be very strong, so I don’t have any plans to be a pally, but you’re crazy if you think not having taunt in the open world or with two or three other people makes a difference other than in laziness.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I have been main tank for multiple realm firsts
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can cope all you want, but you’re just a bad tank.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Imagine telling fictional tales on a Tibetan basket weaving forum just to make yourself feel better about trivial and irrelevant accomplishments in a 20 year old game designed for children.
>Unleash all of your remaining mana in a surge of energy focused at the target dealing 95 to 111 Arcane damage, increased by up to 300% based on your mana remaining. Afterward, your normal mana regeneration is activated and increased by 300% for 8 sec.
This sounds stupid but fun
It's a meme mode that's going to be timegated as fuck with no content besides easy as fuck "raids" that's going to probably devolve into doing raids on a daily lockout because a weekly lockout would be too long. There's no way people aren't going to raidlog this mode week 1 and interest dies off immediately.
The worst part is we've heard nothing about people being allocated to it so it's probably going to be 2 guys forming a skeleton crew reusing a shit ton of assets to make "new" content. It's like playing a worse version of ascension
It's a 3 day lockout, which you'd know if you actually paid attention to any of the announcement panels. Don't bother responding because I only read posts from idiots once
Types of people in these threads >PvP-fags: NOOO THIS BREAKS THE BALANCE YOU'RE RUINING MY UNDEAD ROGUE >Raid-fags: NOOO YOU'LL JUST RUSH RUNES AND MINMAX IN 24 HOURS AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO >Chad Levelers: Neato, new content, this will be fun with friends
Imagine not having friends, enjoying chill leveling and looking forward to vanilla but with more fun. What a sad life lmao.
It's an excuse for blizzard to point and SoD, fuck it up, and go "See! You think you do but you don't!" and continue to mop classic and people are lapping it up already because they think this is, in any way, is what people wanted when they said classic+.
>Too few tanks and healers in Vanilla servers usually >Mages are one of the most popular classes in Vanilla >Arcane is unpopular in Vanilla >Combine the two to suddenly get a last-minute healer Mage while also making Arcane interesting
This was clever as fuck. I can see a lot of dungeon groups getting formed because the mage can just quickly switch to Arcane.
>Arcane was my first max level on retail >Switched to healing because I just preferred it as a role as its more active >Merging my two favorites into one class
Its nice when a company just randomly gives you something you didn't even realise you wanted.
This looks perfect for me! I work 60 hours a week to support my family (SAHM and 4 step kids lol!). I loved wow back in the day but its sooo much time to keep up with it now. I tried retail but the dungeons were just too difficult with all the new mechanics... LOVED the new skills my paladin got though haha.
Seeing that this new season is gonna be level banded is what really sold me on it. It's like they made it just for me! See you gamers in Azeroth!
Not sure what you mean? I haven't played WoW in a few years cause I'm just too busy. Hopefully the wifey can take the kids to their Dads house for the weekend so me and the boys can really get a good head start. Shooting for at least level 6 in the first week!
>I didn't like Retail because the dungeons were too hard
Do Retail homosexuals really think the reason why people don't like Retail is because the dungeons are too hard?
Yes. Because to play retail is to solely play raids, dungeons and instanced PvP. There is no other content. Most of them have never played vanilla so they have no idea that WoW was built on a world/questing/leveling/exploration.
They also don't realise vanilla leveling and dungeons are genuinely hard. Their so mindbroken with their minmaxed routes and builds they can't comprehend the fact that for people playing blind it can be challenging to get through areas and quest efficiently.
Ret was perfectly fine for playing the game, aka questing and doing some dungeons now and then, it never needed to be fixed >muh raid parses are bad
Vanilla was not designed around raiding, that was a mistake some shitsockers threw in two weeks before launch and it shouldn't matter if you're viable or not there because it's not the real game
>95% of your time is spent leveling and in dungeons >Literally all specs work >a fraction of people raid, a fraction of those people raid properly with efficient builds >YOU FUCKING MUUUUUUUST PLAY LIKE THIS FROM LEVEL 1
Of all the things which killed this genre, raids are by far the worst. In theory they could be fun, but in practice it spawns sub-humans who poison the well and fear the community into bad habits.
>Of all the things which killed this genre, raids are by far the worst. In theory they could be fun, but in practice it spawns sub-humans who poison the well and fear the community into bad habits.
i 100% agree. retards jerk off to wowhead/icyveins guides and talk down to you when you don't. i struggle to understand it. it ruins the fun in rpg-type games.
>mages heal and DPS at the same time, can swap between full DPS, full healing, or 90% DPS that also spam-heals the tank constantly just by changing rune equipment >warlocks tank with spammable ranged high-threat ability and cleave part of their default rotation, also all of their runes are bonuses on top of Demon Form unlike Shaman needing all of their slots just to be allowed to tank >priests also exist I guess
heal and DPS at the same time, can swap between full DPS, full healing, or 90% DPS that also spam-heals the tank constantly just by changing rune equipment
you sure about that? Can't imagine how dogshit their heals would be
Why? It's 100% of their damage converted into healing on a single target. They just need to take the chest healing rune to put a Temporal Beacon on the tank, which only gives up a shitty "+10% damage while above 70% mana" rune, and then take all of of the other Arcane DPS runes.
You realize healers will have healing runes right? And content will theoretically be tuned to that. You might be okay with doing subpar dps and healing. But anyone with a brain would rather just take a dedicated dps and healer.
Except the mage can be a dedicated healer - when necessary, by swapping out rune equipment for their healing runes. But then when you don't need as many healers, they can either go full DPS or almost-full DPS that also makes it almost impossible for the tank to die.
mages also have absurd nuking ability that uses up all their mana, but does up to 300% dmg
that paired with >pom pyro >timewarp >managems >poly/sheep
they'll be able to get all their mana back after doing this using the timewarp rune. shit is fucking absurd
we're going to be seeing retarded 1v3s where mages mop the floor with everyone else almost instantly, then cap flag/do their business.
i'm surprised that no one else is talking about this
mfw people think pallies having divine storm is going to be strong. lmao
I unsubbed, it's a bastardization of vanilla that gives/makes every class the roles and abilities of other classes, so theyre able to do everything, it's what the trannies want, soon you'll have all the furry races and all the races can be every class bullshit that killed retail, it makes me fucking sick how openly and disrespectfully they want to turn the game back into retail
Yeah, it's just like retail, fuck retail. I hate all of those mage healers and shaman tanks that are so common in retail, it's literally what killed the game.
Please pleas please pretty fucking please Microsoft please lay off everyone at blizzard, so they can't do any more damage to the franchises, they're speedrunning the franchises to suicide before you can fully takeover, they are literally tanking the company as we watch
The class changes in SoD go way too far but the ones in Turtle don't go far enough. Hybrds are still shit
All vanilla needs is ONE OR TWO new abilities that either buff low tier classes/specs in ways they're lacking or give the top tiers a sidegrade playstyle, not a huge mountain of extra shit lifted straight from retail.
>All vanilla needs is ONE OR TWO new abilities
well in SoD they are going to give a lot more than one or two. from what we can see you get 3 at lvl 25, and when they raise the level cap, you will get more.
if you think each spec or class only needs one or two new abilities, then realise you're going to end up with way more than you want. thats kind of the problem
1.) It will be an over-hyped rip-off of Vanilla+ private servers and Project Ascension
2.) It will be wildly imbalanced because there is no beta
3.) People will play it anyway
4.) It will be fun for a few weeks until a meta develops and the WoW community kills it like they did Classic, TBC Classic, and WotLK Classic
>WoW in 2023
If you haven't realised it's shit and given up on it by now for better gaming experiences, you're done, you are so stockholm syndromed nostalgia fagged deep in the game now you're never getting out, you will literally eat shit off a plate if blizzard serves it to you and calls it WoW. You should really go fuck yourself because you're the reason they never worked to improved the game and could indulge in all kinds of time sinking low effort design and culture war bullshit.
Here is something controversal that makes min-maxers seethe
Paladins and Druids are flex roles. They shouldn't be super good at every single thing. The second druids and Paladins become great in every respective role, it makes it so classes like warriors and rogues dont have a place. These roles should be flex roles first and foremost, classes with very wide toolkits that can fill up these gaps of raw incompetence exuded by other classes, the big problem is WoW itemization, especially in classic, doesn't allow for this, and nor do the systems. A paladin cant suddenly change from a healer or rettard to being able to take a few hits on the fly, the closest you get are retard big ego fury-tards unironically. These roles need to switch places on the respective totem pole in terms of their flexibility, there is no flexibility
>but warrior and rogue players are massive homosexuals!
Have you ever seen paladin players and druid players for that matter, you just replace one pack of homosexuals for another, because it would be the same players playing under a different banner
I mentioned that it shouldn't be the case, that Warriors have the Paladin role, except instead of being flexible its just "being retarded good at both roles"
>it makes it so classes like warriors and rogues dont have a place
a warriors place is to complain about everything. a rogues place is to greykill enemy players when they're at 50% hp while fighting a mob in the world
didn't read the rest of your bullshit
I played Druid in Classic and I agree. I'd argue the only real issue with Classic balancing is that Warriors are simply too good and for Druids, Balance is a fucking meme. I can't really speak for Paladins since I was Horde.
Feral tanks and DPS are fine, and bear tank can sometimes be very good.
Resto is kind of a meme because hots don't stack you rarely want more than 1 and their direct heals aren't as strong.
Balance is just fucking terrible. We had a guild mascot Balance druid who we geared to the teeth in MC for fun, but the spec was just dogshit, no two ways about it
Well Paladins got every spec probably turned into god tier status with these new runes
As for druids maybe their tank will be really good, and heals a bit better, feral cat a little better, but balance druid is giga meme status still
How is ret or prot god tier now? They completely lack the itemization to support it. Most the skills scale off spell power. They're going to need to be completely redesigned like retail in order to scale properly.
Uh I mean look at the pally runes they are all obscenely powerful, prot get passive 30% extra block (basically 60% after tool tip)
A taunt that also passively lets them restore mana from healing received and 20% DR when below 35% health
Beacon healing in classic wow
Just look at their runes they are going to be fotm easily. They were already topping meters as dps by a decent margin as well.
If you are a """warrior'"" main, this game is not for you. For years, you held the mantle of top dog simply by virtue of hurried, unfinished game design. You took all of the gear that you assumed belonged to you. You called the shots. You were the de-facto tank and top DPS. This time has come to an end.
Much like how hybrid classes were relegated to side characters, while the """warrior""" stood in the limelight, it is now your time to experience relegation. And it's going to sting. Big time.
The core tenets of the """warrior""" vis-à-vis Season of Discovery is as follows:
>You are NOT needed. >You are NOT important. >You are NOT entitled to raid. >You are NOT entitled to loot. >You WILL sit down, shut up, and be humble.
The people have spoken. You are out. Any questions?
>chest + 25 % damage for 12 secs as long as you have either of one of your 30 sec, 1 min cooldowns active or after a crit >gloves + 10% damage permanent >legs + 25 damage for 12 swings / secs above 80 rage, which is almost all the time anyway in pre raid bis
that's + 60% damage pretty much permanenty for a fury warrior that already does twice as much dps as the next best dps class
one warrior will be worth 2 to 3 mages or 5 to 6 hunters in a raid
>SoD comes out >Paladin/Druid players get cocky >All the toxic faggy warriors move to these classes >servers become like 5% warrior >these changes dont impress people >suddenly groups scrambling for warriors >groups stuck with "Johnny" the human male player who cant even hold aggro of two mobs in a raid
Then there's me >Played Feral Druid in Classic >Endured ceaseless mockery from Warriors >Suddenly WSG opens up and they're all buddy-buddy asking me to carry a fucking flag >Planning to play NElf Warrior for SoD, even though Druid might be really good
The part i dont get is that people are making it seem like level 25 is the end game instead of a momentary stop.
If these are the skills at this point i cant imagine the shit well get later honestly.
War might get Titan grip or some shit
I can't wait for blizzard to reveal that shamans get bloodlust in the next update and the horde is finally revitalized with players at least that's my cope haha..
its what classic+ is supposed to be except they also overly buffed ret pallies like retards like blizz is doing. it's ran by deranged trannys (as is blizzard) if u can stomach that
and do what? i guarentee that classic vanilla dudes make up 50% of the subscriber count. thats why they are scrambling to release SoD, they want to get the paypiggies back
Why? they can just put the interns on making "raids" and porting broken skills from the expacs and millions of blizzslop enjoyers will keep playing for years to come.
Its free money.
There's 400k characters actively raiding on Wrath since ICC, there is zero chance they abandon classic, it could be bigger than retail if they shared actual hard numbers to compare
The retail team is in charge, they will never allow classic to be anything more than an underfunded afterthought. I would be shocked if classic hasn't had more subscribers than retail during peaks like classic launch in 2019 and still they starve it of funds and staff because its's embarrassing to see 20 year old content beat brand new content
Classic remind me of the early days of FF14 when SE would take all the money and put it to other games before realzing they should actually fund there cash cow.
THough i get the feeling the dev team at blizzard actually hates that classic exsists and is a success.
Same thing happened to Runescape. They neglected it for years until management realized they get more money by funding it because if they didn't their player numbers for RS3 would be all they had and that would look fucking TERRIBLE to potential buyers of Jagex
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Anonymous
That part atleast means there is some hope though
>i get the feeling the dev team at blizzard actually hates that classic exsists and is a success
this is 100% true. The kind of people who add gay dragons and bearded women to their game want to force that shit down your throat, and they cant do that in classic
This part is the one i think is going to make it impossible to get full investment and a team that isnt spit and bubblegum
>i get the feeling the dev team at blizzard actually hates that classic exsists and is a success
this is 100% true. The kind of people who add gay dragons and bearded women to their game want to force that shit down your throat, and they cant do that in classic
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they cant do that in classic
There is nothing stopping them from doing that.
except barely any funding goes towards classic stuff. its mostly small passionate teams that put it together. these days they've gotten over most of the hurdles already, like making old code compatible with new systems. classic+ does not seem like it would have had a lot of work done in. you can expect most of the money made from subs for classic to go towards bigger projects like new homo dragon fanfic xpansions, or what ever other garbage nublizzard is cooking up.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
no i belive that all the money goes to retail.
I think its a shame that is the case because its quite clear they could put more effort into Classic and get way better returns.
But in modern blizzard fashion they just want to keep throwing money at the new thing.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's a team event the classic team did recently and the entire team fits around a long picnic table, it's sad how deliberately under-resourced they are because retail doesn't want to be outshone so deliberately hamstrings them
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
most classic devs are just retail devs with free time. SoD is gonna be content starved as fuck if its a picnic table full of diversity hires. a bunch of greybeard white game devs could do it tho.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The banner release feature is 10 man BRD, which is nobodies top 10 favorite instance, so its very easy to doom about SoD
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It is too bad they picked level 25. A gnomergan raid would've been superior in every way. Hell they could've done SFK too and just increased its level.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It is too bad they picked level 25. A gnomergan raid would've been superior in every way.
That would actually require more effort. SoD is very obviously a low effort player retention mode they're pushing to maintain interest since they know a large segment of classic do not want cata classic
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
they teased a gnomer raid didn't they? Scarlet Monastery and Karazhan Crypt too.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They already said they are increasing the level cap later and making a gnomeregan raid and then later a scarlet monastery raid...
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
the worst part is they dropped the fact theyve been working on it for 2 years. imagine taking 2 years to add a bunch of spells from other expansions, a pvp system and adding 5 people to a leveling dungeon
It’ll be shit. Scrapped for actual classic +
probably this, they will get enough interest to show shareholders that its viable then just dump it and make us wait 2 years
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the worst part is they dropped the fact theyve been working on it for 2 years
jfc seriously? I would not have admitted that
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
its legitimately baffling at the standards blizzard sets for their modern diversity hire team. a bunch of trannys sitting in a their basement begging for donos can put together more content with literally nothing for pservers in 1/16th the time. i swear to god they probably need to run every single change past a diversion and equity team for potential triggering cognito hazards for BIPOCs.
Ion has said the average retail player has 3-4 alts, so do the math there to figure out how many unique people are currently playing retail, it's well under a million
WoW was never good, Blizzard was never good, and they definitely can't fix that with all their fat trannies running their shit. >inb4 blizzdrones crying that I spoke the truth
so are we never getting TBC servers or a season of TBC? I actually enjoyed TBC a lot, almost as much as vanilla. Kinda bummed out retail lite (wotlk) is probably gonna get servers but TBC won't
I guess it depends if Cata does what cata did orginally and tanks again. That would be the only way i see them just going back to progressive servers.
Though i am slightly surprised the person who just made Progressive servers a thing for EQ has so little intrest in doing so for WoW.
Just play on a private server and see if you actually give a fuck. Turtle is probably your best bet but be warned the pve server is 90% chinks, gonna have to go pvp
Going through the dwarf starting zone on the PvE server I've seen like two people with chinky names out of dozens. I imagine most of them are probably playing elves though.
Terrible. Free trial doesn't work for classic so you gotta do retail, but 99% of retail "content" is end-game PvP and PvE like it has been ever since wotlk so you won't get a feel for the game
>people are crying that blizzard is yoinking private server ideas
why the hell not?
what are those russian (assuming that's where they're from) noobs gonna do? sue? it's their fuckin ip
are crying that blizzard is yoinking private server ideas
No, they're upset they're stealing an idea and executing it worse and then passing that off as something else. SoD is a worse ascension because ascension, as unbalance as it is, really gives you so many more options to do shit.
It's pointless to argue when the game isn't even live. Yeah the changes could end up being dogshit, but I for one am glad they're trying things out. I'll try it for a month and if it's good I'll continue, if it's not, I'll just go back to other games
It's pointless to argue when the game isn't even live. Yeah the changes could end up being dogshit, but I for one am glad they're trying things out. I'll try it for a month and if it's good I'll continue, if it's not, I'll just go back to other games
>comes back minutes later at the same time
Yeah, I'm sure posting on your phone and pc works well when sockpuppeting
i dont hate it but its decidedly not vanilla+, more like vanilla redux
not that thats a bad thing but obviously the insane group of people who have been playing vanilla for 20 years straight arent going to be happy
Realistically, how the fuck do you kill a warlock in pvp when they're using this shit? With soul link, and turning drain life into a dot, they will be fucking unkillable. They will have so much more effective hp than any other class and melee characters won't evem have a chance.
please understand the interns behind this are dong their best. there is zero thought being put into pvp balance at this stage and thats probably a good thing
i highly doubt meta is going to actually change your character type into demon rather than humanoid or else they would be permanently immune to shit like sap and poly
Most PvP in this game is group based. If there is another warlock in the opposing group, you're basically instantly deleted until they've dealt with your group.
I don't think you can even dispel banish since you're immune to everything, but I could be wrong about that
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
yea banish cant be dispelled but you can always just shift out to prevent it from landing
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This was so funny to do to druid trees.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh right they were elementals, I remember doing that in arenas now
What are you guys going to play? Do you have a friend group to play with?
I'm a little torn, I might just play Druid because I played that in Classic so it'd be cool to compare all the changes, but I played Warlock in vanilla so that could be cool too, but I feel like everyone is going to play a lock so it wouldn't be fun
Hunter first probably. Definitely Paladin at some point, but I might dodge the initial Paly rush and hope on afterwards.
Although thinking about it, maybe it is better to start as Paladin to join all the inevitable Veragin's Fist groups.
Leaning towards shaman. My pal usually plays rogue or hunter so I want to play something that can chuck a few heals around. If I can actually tank 5 mans now too that is also huge.
Honestly I'm tempted to go warrior. I've never played a warrior in vanilla/classic because I hate feeling like I'm playing the class that everyone else is playing, and this might be the only time ever that warrior won't be the most played class.
This might honestly the best time ever to play a warrior. The changes they are getting are absolutely insane for 60 raiding DPS and everyone is sleeping on the class right now. Might not be topping the meters in leveling gear but definitely going to be on top by miles once you can cap hit and and start stacking crit.
My friends are chopping at the bit to devour this slop, but they've also spent like $1k on ascension between the 8 of them so this is exactly the kind of bastardization of WoW they love.
I'll probably play a Druid and tank for the group then switch to cat at 60 if this shit isnt dead after the first month.
Bros... Warlocks running demo, with meta and demonic tactis have an instant cast searing pain, with a base 25% crit chance and a 10% chance to daze, with no cd. 500% armor, 10% reduced physical damage taken, 30% reduced all damage taken, and drain life that doesn't need channeling.
Wait. When people told me about "warlock tanks," I thought they meant the voidwalker would be tanking. The actual fucking warlock is going to be a tank now?
>The absolute state of paypigs
log on ascension right now and take a screenshot infront of the ah without 20 sets of paypig wings and transmogs in view
I think what would've been a cool idea is if in vanilla instead of the level cap being 60 have it be 70 and make it so the only way to get experience is from end-game raids. maybe even give the raids a sense of progression too. MC is 60-63, BWL 63-65, naxx could be 68-70.
obviously the leveling at 60+ wouldn't be as fast as 50-60 would be, it'd be more like diablo 2 where leveling above 80 takes a very long time. It'd give you even more of a reason to run raids and have some talent points to look forward to
Paladins are for healing and nothing else
>d-don the d-dress *coughs up blood*
I've given up on ever being the damage dealer. I just want to be able to tank for my party and off heal sometimes. The fact that they made pally dress wearing healfags should never be forgiven and is all because Kaplan threw a fit because he was still seething about pallies in everquest.
If you think tanks don't do insane dps you're fucking garbage, zoomer tard
Paladins are for assraping the meters so hard that warriors no longer are present
lol
Irrelevant pointless meters from outdated content, paladins are gods in SoD which is where my good and accurate meters are from.
ah yes, the eternal era warrior
good thing era still exists so all those fotm parse chasing trannies can shit up the already shitted up era servers, while Paladin Kings move on to greener pastures
I mean cool logs from plain old vanilla? Discovery is literally going to be the Paladin season. Warriors will be put into chastity cages, mages will be turned into buttslaves (healers lol) and rogues are going to tank I guess.
>thread about SoD
>posts vanilla logs
Based retard
>THE MICROWAVE IS FOR SOUP AND DRYING SOCKS
>Literally every other RPG ever made that had paladins in them
>Paladins are magical warriors who serve mostly as tanks with mostly support spells, some offensive spells (especially against demons and the undead) and some kind-of-bad healing as the cherry on top. There might be alternative subclasses or specs that let the paladin trade in some of their defense and support to be a more offensive "smiter of evil."
>Vanilla World of Warcraft
>Paladins are healers and only healers. All their gear just lets them heal better.
I honestly wonder what Blizzard was even thinking. The problem was that Paladins had access to Crusader Strike in the beta and were completely balanced around doing holy damage through Crusader Strike. Then, at the last moment, they replaced Crusader Strike with the Seal and Judgement system, which did NOT provide the level of holy damage that Crusader Strike provided, and so WoW paladins got put in the strange position of only really being good at healing. And, instead of realizing this mistake and fixing it, Blizzard doubled down and made all paladin equipment healing-oriented.
You don't understand because you have no empathy to a company, two decades ago, going into a market they knew nothing about trying to balance the most successful launch of any MMO ever. Fixing one class in the mountain of issues and challenges they were facing at the time isn't exactly high on the list of priorities. Especially since the level of minmax autism we have today didn't exist then, and people did tank and DPS as paladins it just took time for people to realise it was shit.
>You don't understand because you have no empathy to a company
You got it.
>Fixing one class in the mountain of issues
One of your classes being fundamentally broken isn't a minor issue to be pushed to the side. It's a major issue. In fact, it's one of the most major issues a game with classes in it can have outside of gamebreaking bugs. This goes doubly considering that this isn't the sort of game where you can just switch to another class. Going to another class means starting over again from scratch. What's more, the paladin was supposed to be the defining class of the Alliance faction, so it should have had top priority.
there's a lot of rumors and misinformation out there
interviews with devs leading up to classic shed some light on it. its probably a combination of
>they ran out of time
and
>former everquest player dev didn't like anything with a mana bar that could outshine his warrior
there's lots of old forum posts out there that reveal how hated paladins were by the team behind vanilla, so i'm inclined to believe some of it was at least intentional
>then in TBC, horde got the superior "dps" seal
this was 100% intentional and done to rub salt in the wound of people asking to be taken seriously as a dps since vanilla launched
If you hate the very idea of a class, why put it in your game? If the devs hated paladins so much, why not just make something else?
there needed to be an alliance equivalent to shaman and paladin is the only logical choice
probably because Paladin was the most iconic and recognizable class/character from Warcraft 3, their previous Warcraft title?
I mean, there were a bunch of potential iconic classes that didn't make the cut. Necromancer, Witch Doctor, Spirit Walker and Spellbreaker come to mind.
Spell breaker would be a cool class but the entire play concept would be shitting on mages.
Might be tricky to differentiate Witch Doctor from Priest and Shaman, the latter straight up casts hexes.
And that's a good thing.
Outside of the Necromancer, none of those are as close to the same level of iconic as the Paladin. And the Necromancer was initially planned, but cut because they couldn't work out how to differentiate it from the Warlock.
>retail demo lock is summoning demons out of your ass to bite shit for 10 seconds
>this is literally what necromancer gameplay should be with decaying zombies
I am so mad
>but cut because they couldn't work out how to differentiate it from the Warlock.
To make shit worse now with DK's there's even less reason to have it be its own standalone class
The main character of Warcraft 3 is a paladin (later death knight) not having paladin as a playable class would have been completely retarded
I did want spellbreakers since TFT
Runemaster never making the cut will forever make me mad.
A hand-to-hand caster hybrid that buffs itself and the party with runes would have been absolutely fucking sick.
>witch doctor
>spirit walker
>spellbreaker
should have been racial versions of existing classes
ie a belf paladin is a spellbreaker
necro just isnt really compelling as a full class with the system they chose, maybe if there was just one "wizard" class and they had more specs than just fire/frost/arcane and necromancy was one of them
>the devs hated paladins
>which is why they’re the most broken class in vanilla
Don’t listen to the schizo ramblings. He’ll cry until his class with 4 buffs, bubble, lay on hands, bop, freedom, and dispel does comparable dps to a class with 1 stun.
Damn, you warriorfags really are cancer huh?
Not going to go along with your delusions loser lol
Paladin was one of the most iconic classes, with the hero in War 3 and unit in War 2. Also, the everquest guys weren't running the show initially. They got more and more responsibilities as time went on.
The Paladin being shit mechanically comes from it being one of the last classes to be finalised, but the everquest gang's bias is why it was neutered until WotLK.
The dev's bias for the horde is well known
>completely breaks the lore for paladins so anyone can become a paladin if you say you love the sun
because paladins have been part of warcraft's setting since warcraft 2, and leaving them out of the game entirely would spark questions when they're a fairly important part of the human faction
This poster is a paladin false flagging as an anti paladin player. paladins are going to be ridiculously OP in SoD. I wasnt going to play paladins because i dont like playing fotm god mode and feeling like i didnt earn my wins in pvp. The more i see people talk abou tthe game the more i realize paladin is actually a sleeper OP class in this so i dont feel as bad and will be maining paladin.
Paladins will break the PvP events though because of how one sided OP they are compared to other classes.
>bro lets give the healing class with a 12 second immunity the burst of a rogue LMAO!
nice prank blizzard.
>>bro lets give the healing class with a 12 second immunity the burst of a rogue LMAO!
This is based though.
Someone post the webm of Paladin fucking deleting the Rogue who tried to stunlock him
Go play retail then
Paladin is shit in retail though.
no. mages will wipe the floor with everyone and everything in pvp. their toolkit is fucking insane. it wont even be a question of whether or not they will be dueling gods. they will be gods period. expect to see 1v3s on a regular basis.
holy basiert.
Total pally death
>paying a sub for a 20 year old game
no thanks
That's what blows me away. This shit is ancient, it should be free to play. If blizz did that they'd earn some much needed respect with former fans.
Are you mentally retarded? Do you breath out of your mouth? Do you get confused easily? Do you want it to end? Do you need help?
What’s the verdict? The community asked for classic plus instead we are getting the same game with retail abilities and over tuned 5 man dungeons.
Oh and current wow is just more tranny slop. The verdict isn’t fucking good.
>retail
Most of them are TBC and Wrath, which is where all the shitty specs or full classes got improved. I think giving them to people at 25 is too early, but at the same time its a test bed by clearing labeling this stuff as Seasons. Meaning they can adjust them to level 50-60 talent later in a larger rework.
>content from 1 to 59 pointless filler
Its called enjoying the game.
I really don't get why people that wanted Classic Plus are disappointment.
I wanted Classic Plus and what I wanted was class + item rebalancing, and that's what they are giving us.
Because they wanted classic (1-60)
And the plus was content after Naxx that wasnt in the game
While they might get the content they wanted its not in the package they wanted.
>While they might get the content they wanted
Game is going to warp around the rune system and the content is going to show. There's no dedicated classic/sod team so it's going to be the most low effort reused asset shit possible. This is not what people meant by classic+. This is monkey paw at best
>Game is going to warp around the rune system and the content is going to show. There's no dedicated classic/sod team
you're wrong
>Need Naxx gear to do new content
Most people didn't clear Naxx in Classic so they won't bother coming back
>Don't need Naxx gear for new content
Hardcore players complain that it's pointless
The servers need to be fresh so it's easy for people to jump in and start with the changes. The changes can't happen after Naxx, because who the fuck is going to play for that long just to see some new stuff
I am not disagreeing with you.
Just saying thats what that group wanted.
I would have prefered Blood elves be added but i still going to play a priest anyway.
naxx is fucking gay cancer and i hope we get pvp gear that is on par with naxx gear.
imagine selling your soul for r14 only to have some invincible autistic keyboard turning raider decked out in naxx gear to mop the floor with you.
R14 is basically Naxx level gear though. If some carebear mops you with Naxx gear when you're in R14 then that's even more embarrassing.
R14 is aq level gear.
You literally do not replace R14 as a warrior tank for a threat set. The weapons as DPS last you until Gressil/THC. It's itemized far better for PvP than all the low HP shit you get in AQ/Naxx. Just because you're too retarded to itemize things yourself and only listen to what wowhead and item levels are says wonders about your IQ.
>something something gorilla jungle noises
yeah right uhuh sure
Yeah the only thing you'd actually replace for PvP. Also Dark Edge is better since mace spec sucks and even for shaman/pally the proc is superior.
>Yeah the only thing you'd actually replace for PvP. Also Dark Edge is better since mace spec sucks and even for shaman/pally the proc is superior.
all gear from naxx outclasses almost anything you get from aq40 or r14 for pvp regardless of what kind of procs they give simply due to the stats. you can try make some be a weasel and make some autistic argument about the tier bonuses or what ever, but you're just wrong.
i was being extreme. a skilled player in r14 should be able to beat a very shitty player despite them having naxx gear, but the difference in stats matter way more than you know. maybe its something you need to experience yourself. of course youre going to say you already have. everyone and their dog is an arena master etc on anonymous forums.
its in europe and apparently pallies are absurd in pvp. but besides that its good because they added stuff to the game without going battshit crazy like blizzdevs. tbh though i didn't play it for very long because the latency pissed me off.
>R14 is basically Naxx level gear though. If some carebear mops you with Naxx gear when you're in R14 then that's even more embarrassing.
lmao no it isn't. whats embarassing is you really believe r14 is as good as naxx.
r14 gear is slightly better than BWL gear and arguably on par with t2.5
nothing compares with naxx gear.
you are the dumbest gorilla in the jungle you stupid fuck. you can even look it up on wowhead. go do it.
its between aq40 and bwl gear. aq40 tiersets and weapons (e.g edge of insanity) are better on average
Well these people are fucking idiots.
Raiding is boring and for losers, and why would you even want to raid in a game like Classic which has so many other problems (yes it has many great points as well)?
Vanilla is great, but it definitely needs tweaking. A lot of its systems feel badly adjusted and some feel like they stopped mid-way development. Improving the underlying basis is a lot more important than making content for a faulty base.
Im not sure the DOTA2 approach to balance where you break literally everything is going to be the best way for a game to play out.
Then again it works for dota2 in some strange way.
>Raiding is boring and for losers,
Well ... you might be playing the wrong game then. I hope whatever server youre on will maintain its 50/50 split.
its not just about raiding, its also the fact that they are making classes too much like retail designs, and they haven't even released all the runes yet.
try not to hyper focus on a tiny component of my post, its annoying and wastes both of our time.
I agree that the class identity which is generally very strong in Vanilla might get worse, but whining pre-emptively is retarded. Yes they can fuck up the classes, but they can fuck up raids, and loot and everything else, yet you still want Classic-Plus, so you have to accept that risk.
Class balance was absolutely needed.
what most people had in mind is spec specific tier sets, slight adjustments to class design, and new raids/content. not slotting in 9 spells into each class from other expacs (mostly). its really not that hard to understand, its literally that they are going too far.
>gives you classic+
>NOOOO I THOUGHT I DID BUT I DIDN'T
if turtlewow servers were closer to my country, i'd play that. that is more like what blizzard classic+ should be.
in otherwords, theres classic+ that has been done right, but blizzard does it wrong.
all you can do now is continue to strawman.
your same post was made previously. the exact same text. bot confirmed
called it
It's just people from plebbit stirring shit up
all of Ganker will play it while bragging on Ganker that they don't play it..like every wow expansion
>classes and game mechanics widely unbalanced
>content from 1 to 59 pointless filler
>pvp only for no lifers
>world pvp is kill
>tons of unfinished and empty zones
>not enough items and content
>buff, world buff and class stacking cancer despite raids being easy
>95 % of the time played consists of raiding and farming to fund raids
>less than 5 % of the massive world actually played on by players
>pain in the ass to find a group for regular content despite servers being full of players
>faction balance broken
>crafting largely pointless grind
but new op abilities from later expansions will fix everything
Dude all your points show what a minmax zoomer discord redditor you really are.
You never played WoW when it was a new game.
I admit being a minmaxer, but I played like that from release and what you are writing doesn't apply.
Fixing the things I listed will make the game enjoyable for any type of player, especially casuals, regardless of what class, faction or spec they want to play, while allowing them to have more horizontal progression, as well as making the content before lvl 60 more valuable and removing cancer mechanics such as world buffs, potion grinding, class stacking. It will also allow everyone to participate in pvp and benefigt from pvp rewards without quitting their job.
and game mechanics widely unbalanced
That's what makes it fun.
from 1 to 59 pointless filler
False. 1 to 59 is the best content the game has to offer.
>>pvp only for no lifers
Yeah, you're right here.
pvp is kill
That's a problem with the playerbase.
>>tons of unfinished and empty zones
Yes
>>not enough items and content
False, it's just completely known.
>>buff, world buff and class stacking cancer despite raids being easy
World buffs are aids
>>95 % of the time played consists of raiding and farming to fund raids
Because of the playerbase meta obsession
>>less than 5 % of the massive world actually played on by players
???
>>pain in the ass to find a group for regular content despite servers being full of players
Just needs the manual group builder menu like retail has. However it also needs jannies to ban carrys and ads.
balance broken
Always has been
largely pointless grind
Yeah, they need to add more strong items that can be crafted. Both bop and boe ones.
>False. 1 to 59 is the best content the game has to offer.
>The best content the game has to offer is a stale levelling experience from 2005
wew laddie, rev up those credit cards
I didn't say it wasn't dated, or stale. I said it was the best content blizzard ever created.
and game mechanics widely unbalanced
>That's what makes it fun.
Ask any hunter or warlock if they enjoy sucking at the only thing they can contribute to a group
ask paladin if they enjoy wearing dresses
ask shamans and rogues if they actually have more than 1 viable spec
ask any player if they enjoy stacking 20 warriors into their raids
ask fire mages if it's fair that only out of them gets to damage
ask druids if they enjoy being the worst healer
ask priests if they enjoy being worse at healing than paladins
the class balance in vanilla is pure shit
from 1 to 59 pointless filler
>False. 1 to 59 is the best content the game has to offer.
and it has almost 0 value once you hit 60
pvp is kill
>That's a problem with the playerbase.
no, it was completely fine until they added battleground and the honor system
>>>not enough items and content
>False, it's just completely known.
no class has very good or varied items for all slots and there is very little support for alternative specs, also there is no variety to best in slot items
>>>95 % of the time played consists of raiding and farming to fund raids
>Because of the playerbase meta obsession
no, same as with world pvp, the devs created the wrong incentives with the game mechanics and content
>>>pain in the ass to find a group for regular content despite servers being full of players
>Just needs the manual group builder menu like retail has.
Finding groups in world chat is just fine. All the game needs is more flexibility in group configurations. Funny enough, tanking rogues and warlocks are exactly what's going to fix the main reason for not finding groups: lack of tanks.
It will work, even if you take a tank rogue and a tank warlock that share stuff inbetween them.
balance broken
>Always has been
Doesn't mean it need to stay that way. Either balance racials, or even better: enforce ratios on servers.
SoD is a literal microcosm of everything that is wrong with retail
>max cap is 25
>whenever this is increased everything that you did before, all the gear and raids, will be immediately invalidated
>Next to no content that'll be dripfed
>Nothing else to do besides do raids or what's 100% going to be an imbalanced as fuck PvP scene with people 1 shotting everyone because low level scaling is fucked except now we have a ton more abilities from 2 expansions in the future
It's going to be a disaster
>whenever this is increased everything that you did before, all the gear and raids, will be immediately invalidated
So you think whatever gear drops in that BFD raid is going to be immediately invalidated by the random greens you find at level 26?
Do you think that's what people mean about their gear being made useless whenever a new raid tier is released muchless what happens when a new expansion is released with a level cap increase which is closer to what's going to happen in SoD? Jesus Christ you people are so disingenuous
But the gear you get in BFD will be very useful in the level 35 raid, just like gear in MC is very useful in BWL. In retail your Mythic gear is fucking useless in the next Mythic raid, you have to grind Heroic raid and M+ to get the new baseline before even trying the Mythic raid
>But the gear you get in BFD will be very useful in the level 35 raid, just like gear in MC is very useful in BWL
Wheres the source of it being not useful for the next tier? I think it makes more sense for this gear to follow every other tier in existence. But if you think they're going to do something different for the first time in 20 years then you MUST have a source for your outrage right? RIGHT?!
Anon. For an item to be good across multiple tiers it needs to be BiS in its raid tier, and remain BiS still in the next raid tier. Using an item until it's replaced as soon as the next ilvl tier is dropped is exactly the same as using a blue from BFD until you get an upgrade from the next dungeon. You guys are genuinely retarded.
Do you expect the 7 boss raid to drop an item for every single slot for every class? I bet there's a good ring/trinket/armor piece that won't be replaced in the next raid, because the next raid simply doesn't drop items for that slot. Just like how every raid tier works in Classic
You sound like you're actively trying to find something to be angry about, but you're too stupid to actually come up with something decent so this is all you can say
>i can't counter his argument so I'll just insult him instead
You didn't make an argument. You just said something thats untrue lol
>remain BiS still in the next raid tier
It's shame that most gear in WoW has never been like that including in OG Vanilla.
yes he is actually that retarded
To be fair by the next level cap the gear will need to be replaced. Just like when a new raid tier drops. You use your old stuff until you can replace it, which happens rather quickly. Anyone starting in phase 2 won't even bother with BFD.
possibly untrue depending on how hard the next tier is
In actuality you have no idea. There could be a rune you get from BFD that is practically required for the next tier
Anon, are you being retarded for the sake of being retarded? Level 25 items will be irrelevant by the time people hit the next level cap, especially weapons for rogue/warrior/paladin/hunter.
really? so people dont use whirlwind axe for 20 levels? weird. Almost like you're actually just inventing something to be angry about. That or you dont understand wow in the slightest.
They use WW axe for so long because it is over leveled at the earliest level you can get it. As soon as people can replace it, they do.
WW axes is ilvl 40, and requires level 30.
Ravager is ilvl 42, and requires level 37.
Bonebiter is ilvl 44, and most people don't do SM cath till level 38-40.
WW is in this pocket of existence where its got 10 level of no competition, and is very OP when you first get it.
okay, now tell me what you're going to replace these with by 40
go on I'll wait
The trinkets they will add for the level 40 raid of course.
>vanilla gear
>won't last several levels
Retail players...
they legitimately just cant comprehend something besides world quest gear
>next raid is at level 40
>thinking you wont get a corpsemaker at 29 instead of using this dogshit for 15 levels
the only thing people will be wearing are the trinkets because there is nothing else for that slot
wow a single item
cool stuff retard
compared to this shit, only 4 levels higher
its literally the first item i saw from the new BFD loot. you can check the rest, I'm sure its going the be same.
>I'm sure its going the be same.
It isn't
Stop thinking, it clearly doesn't work out well for you
>gets BTFO with an example
>crys and pretends its not happening then moves the goalposts
weird cope, gl with that 🙂
huh? How did I get BTFO exactly? all anyones proven is that the next raid tier will have better gear than BFD. Which proves my point lmao. Enjoy your schizo moment though!
hopefully the last boss of that raid drops a lvl 25 blue that competes with lvl 30 stuff. I mean at least the trinket will be decent until 60
I'm almost expecting there will be level 25 epics to make farming BFD every 3 days worthwile.
The gear we've seen so far isn't really any better than what you can get in SFK/RFK/Gnomer.
They've also said the next tier is going to be level 40 so yeah 100% of what you get in BFD will be useless by the next "raid"
>whenever this is increased everything that you did before, all the gear and raids, will be immediately invalidated
oh so just like every other tier in existence got it
>Next to no content that'll be dripfed
you'd complain that it's invalidating older content anyway
>Nothing else to do besides do raids or what's 100% going to be an imbalanced as fuck PvP
so basically the same as every other wow expansion? You're a dumbass
>so basically the same as every other wow expansion? You're a dumbass
It's kinda like... people wanted classic+... instead of more retail design... which is the entire point of my post if you weren't being a disingenuous homosexual
It's kinda like.... you're literally getting more content for classic than just raids and imbalanced PvP. And your dumbass is still complaining. So yeah. You're the disingenous homosexual here dipshit
>content
Really fucking reaching with that word, aren't ya homosexual
>No, you see, a raid that you'll be able to do and beat within a day is content! And every 3 days you can do it again! More content!
>No, you see, because there's reused mobs with maybe 1 or 2 extra abilities it's totally different!
This is not what people wanted when they said they wanted more content. This is what retail players view as content, because the only thing they've done in the past decade is run on the gear treadmill and PvP. The only actual content WoW has ever added to their game was fucking battlepets and it's decrepit.
>Really fucking reaching with that word, aren't ya homosexual
no? multiple new instances and outdoor pvp zones seems like content to me. What do you want some new furry race for you to goon to? You're so angry and wrong it's actually hilarious.
>more of the same is content
Damn, you reek of plebbit. People like you are why Blizzard has used and abused their playerbase, because you people have no self-respect or standards
>more of the same is content
huh? literally what are you talking about? You expecting something besides raids and pvp? You want them to add torghast or someshit? Use your words instead of having a legit mental breakdown dipshit. Because new raids and pvp zones is legit content whether your tiny brain can comprehend that or not.
>Because new raids and pvp zones is legit content whether your tiny brain can comprehend that or not.
I'm sure that's what Blizzard tells themselves too so they don't have to actually put effort into their game
Like I said, feel free to use your big boy words to describe what new content you want to see. Otherwise you're legitimately just crying like a little bitch
>Like I said, feel free to use your big boy words to describe what new content you want to see
It has already been said what people wanted out of classic +. It's so fucking funny seeing you retards have selective memory just so you can ad hom your way through an argument
>It has already been said what people wanted out of classic +
yeah they wanted the unfinished content to be added onto and new raids and pvp zones which we're getting and more
>It's so fucking funny seeing you retards have selective memory just so you can ad hom your way through an argument
I mean you're literally not making an argument. You're just denying reality and inventing things to be upset about. Truly the definition of mentally ill
>yeah they wanted the unfinished content to be added onto and new raids and pvp zones which we're getting and more
The disingenuity is palpable
>The disingenuity is palpable
once again
name some content you want to see that isnt raids, pvp, new world bosses, and open world content
we are all waiting
just say it bud
it must be super easy for you since you're so angry
also
>Say i'm using ad hominem when you've now made multiple posts flat out not even answering a simple question instead resorting to just saying homosexual in every single post
truly you are insane. get help bud
It just redditors and blizzard shills trying to gaslight. They don't want an argument they want to lie and obfuscate.
Name the content you want to see that they arent adding. We're waiting. Keep name calling all you want but you're not making any arguments, you're just having a mental breakdown on Ganker kid
>makes 50+ posts in this thread
>accuses others of having a mental breakdown
interesting tactic!
huh? is that what you want to see in the game? or is this just you crying more without making any points?
Nice to see wow threads have there share of schizos
>NOOO YOU HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH MY BAD FAITH ARGUMENTS AND TROLLING!
actually i was thinking the person you responded to but either way.
Nice projecting. Still waiting for you to stop crying and trolling and say something productive.
take your meds schizo
>you're actually sitting there crying right now youre so angry
>It just redditors and blizzard shills trying to gaslight.
It's the exact same talking points you see on plebbit riddled with deflection and selective amnesia and strawmans
Yeah. I'm not sure if its the same kinda people or they are just copy pasting those retarded reddit arguments to troll. Either way it isn't worth engaging with them.
yeah thats exactly his point dumbass. its just like retail raid tiers. in vanilla there is dungeon gear that will last you several raid tiers. this is just retail for classicbabies that want all the character power but not of the mechanics.
His point is that this is exactly like classic but with more content and it's a good thing? Weird way to phrase it then
one shotting, and actually being able to kill anything in pvp is a thing i miss from old xpacs. in newer xpacs they make it so its hard to do any damage without cooldowns. its cringe as fuck. pvp was better when one or 2 wrong moves meant almost instant death. thats actually what oldschool pvp was like.
the only other thing i'm really worried about in SoD is ruining vanilla classes. they said they'd keep things vanilla, but theyre really going nuts on messing with the core gameplay. it doesn't seem like theyre taking a careful approach at all.
I was talking to a girl on tinder for a few days and planning a date. I told her during the deep dive I was deleting the app because of a new wow expansion. I am 35
why did you say girl and not woman
>who do people say "dude" and not "man"
It's pretty normal casual speak, ESL-kun. Nobody says dudette, and the only people who use "gal" are working customer service or old.
It's about what I expected from modern blizzard, taking a decent idea and fucking it up out of pure laziness or incompetence. Recycling abilities and calling them "runes" is lame, and releasing with a level cap of 25 with one (1) tuned up reused dungeon comes across as them testing the waters in the laziest possible way imaginable while still milking subs via timegating. All the new content will get completed within a day or two, people will complain about nothing to do, and blizzard will probably shrug their shoulders and scrap the idea, writing it off as a failure.
I find it funny that anyone believed modern blizzard is capable of delivering on this.
The old Blizzard barely fucking understood what they did right with vanilla after all. Lightning in a bottle shit right there.
>people wanted "classic +" to be just taking vanilla and buffing underperforming specs and adding some new endgame content / fleshing out unfinished zones
>instead we get "vanilla but with retail class design" and time-gated leveling to milk monthly subs
bravo, blizzard
It's an intentional move by Blizzard to fuck up adding content to vanilla so that the server dies before anyone hits 60 and they can claim nobody actually wanted Classic+
They want people in retail where the monetization is and they know if they fuck around and put it into classic people will go back to private servers and they'll lose player numbers which looks bad to shareholders
Expect retail to go full Destiny 2, Delves are already the fuckin, whatever the solo "dungeon" content is and Trader's Post is going full Eververse
Expansions will go down to $40 and they'll charge $10 for every mid expansion patch
But anon, nobody knew what they wanted with classic+ and there was never a consensus according to retards
Ah yes, drip feeding content and adding retail abilities haphazardly, truly the saviors of classic wow
who even cares about damage meters. If you can easily understand raid mechanics it doesn't matter if you can kill a boss 10 seconds earlier than usual. The real balance is utility in pvp
I am going to level a paladin and a hunter. Hunters are going to slap in pvp
Half of the draw they have planned out (the pvp zone stuff) will be DOA because factions will be completely imbalanced. Paladins are literally 2 expansions ahead on every spec, and druids got windfury. Shamans got nothing even close. Cool ideas but no balance also means no faction balance and blizzard won't bother with that.
I am surprised they didn't look at racials to try to atleast make them more event, without copy pasting like they just did with Druid WF shit. Imagine if Shamans got Bloodlust, people would be losing their mind right now.
They are probably counting on the world PvP zone being DOA. That way they wont have to try and balance these OP retail abilities in zero resilience PvP and can stick to trying and failing to balance them for the shitty raids they come up with.
I don't think anyone gives a shit tbh. If you raid you play retail, if you PvP you play vanilla or progressive. This version adds leveling content and mostly tanks/healers for dungeons/raids variety and removal of bottlenecking.
Tldr after 20 years of trying to balance open world PvE, Open and instanced PvP and Raiding all in one game they've just separated it all.
looks interesting, we'll see
So let me get this new disaster straight
>Vanilla server
>Slower than vanilla leveling due to new content and quests
>New rune system for helms/chest/arms/legs which give new or update old abilities
>Runes are hidden around the world and need to be found to be unlocked
>Are unlocked permanently on your account not character
>Runes improve existing subclasses, or brand allow new subclasses like tank warlock and tank rogue
>Most runes so far are for tanks/healing, the biggest bottleneck in vanilla
>Most runes are similar to or identical to popular class additions from future expansions
>25 max level so end game is not relevant for now
>new 10-man raid at level 25
>Testing what they are adding now to see what works then adding cut content and new content progressively until they hit level cap
Jesus this is horrific. They're basically taking vanilla, a beloved product which everyone has played to death and introducing new content so its fresh while tackling some of vanillas largest issues. They should burn in hell for this.
It's gonna be solved in a week and everyone will go back to being bored.
Yep, and there's no incentive to keep raiding BFD for 3+ months when low level gear barely makes a difference and wont be needed to progress in the next tier. Servers are gonna be dead after a month while everyone waits for a new level cap.
>This is your brain on end-game
I'm going to say something shocking, you might want to sit down, most people play WoW slowly over months and enjoy exploring and leveling and don't read every guide just to minmax poopsock.
and thats why most players all suck
Based. Fuck people with real lives. Everyone should just sit on their computers all day, have no friends, and be dirt poor.
And thats a good thing.
What exactly is wrong with the majority of people wanting to come home and just log in, do some leveling with friends, experiment on builds in their own time and take months to finish a character then do it again?
Are you just scared at the idea that people can be happy?
you can do what you want obviously if youre solo. but you waste other players time by being shit, using random nooby builds and gear, you know some bosses enrage timers are tight (or at least they used to be). you have to pull your own weight in a team and not be carried by others.
Na, the people who care about end-game minmax are cockblocked due to it only being level 25. 99% of peoples time will be spent leveling and finding the runes.
Level 25 IS the endgame, dumbass. People will just minmax level 25 until the cap raises, then minmax 35, and so on. It's no different to having a base game and releasing expansions, players just minmax what's in front of them then get bored.
No, you do. Your insecure broken brain can't comprehend the fact that the overwhelming majority of people do not in fact care.
The runes will be datamined and locations known within 24 hours, and even lobotomized gamerdads will be 25 in the first week. There will be nothing to do after a month.
Most people will take weeks to get to 25, and will want to level multiple characters given the new specs so no.
>Plays WoW to minmax and rush end-game purely to raid
>Gets to raids, hates the entire experience of having to be in a group of 39 others
>Bitches and cries WoW is shit and dead after spending literally months to years on each version of it that launches
>Gets violently upset at the concept of people playing with friends, slowly leveling and questing over months and enjoying different builds and specs in the same old content
I don't think there is any group of gamers who are more cucked than end game players/raiders. Y'all mentally retarded and need therapy.
Yeah yeah we had this whole discussion when classic was first announced and everyone pretended they were gonna take their time and smell the roses. Sure lots of people did play slow but MOST ended up dungeon spamming cleave groups. If you think this will be different you are severely retarded. Wow is shit because the players are shit and will minmax the fun out of the game at every opportunity.
>Sure lots of people did play slow
The overwhelming majority did. Glad you agree now fuck off with your self-hating dysphoria.
>majority
no. You can be delusional all want, looking forward to seeing you cope when BFD GDKPs are being run in the first week
What's the best level 25 farm for gold?
doing GDKPs with gold buyers
See
Im sure they will be, doesn't matter to 99% of players who just enjoy vanilla with new content. But you keep being sad and mad about fun anon I'm sure that'll fix your depression.
You have never played vanilla.
>99%
Yeah you didn't play classic or you quit in phase 2. Stay delusional
>NOOOO IT CANT BE PEOPLE DONT HAVE FUN LEVELING THEY MUST BE DEPRESSED AND MINMAX RAIDERFAGS LIKE ME
We're not your therapist. Seek help.
And vanilla was insanely successful and revitalized the WoW community. It must be hard to be a retailfag and have to accept that people just don't give a shit about end game.
Anon if you want to be depressed, do it by yourself and stop feeling the need to tell people about it
We aren't your therapist
>Runes are hidden around the world and need to be found to be unlocked
>Are unlocked permanently on your account not character
>Runes improve existing subclasses, or brand allow new subclasses like tank warlock and tank rogue
this sounds literally like WoW Ascension private server in some ways
Every choice Paladins got for runes are obscenely powerful, % mana regeneration on THREE fucking runes one of them being their most used attack spell. AOE cleave that fucking AOE heals. Literally none of their rune choices are even a little bad.
We don't know which runes go on which slots yet, you can only have 4
we do know which slots they go on.
>https://www.warcrafttavern.com/wow-classic/guides/season-of-discovery-paladin-rune-engravings/
wait
Shield of Righteousness does 167-197 damage and hits three targets and DAZES them for 10 seconds? That seems a little much, are paladins just not allowed to have a fucking weakness anymore?
>used to use mug o' hurt in classic in AV solely because it caused an undispellable 10 sec daze
>severely gimped my damage as a result and it wasnt a guaranteed proc
>now its back but in aoe form that does good damage
im laffin, you bitches wont escape
Mages get this : Regeneration
Heals the target for 485 health over 3 sec and applies Temporal Beacon for 30 sec.
Druids get this : Lifebloom
lifebloom icon Lifebloom
Heals the target for 45 over 7 sec. When Lifebloom completes its duration or is dispelled, the target instantly heals for 91 and the Druid regains half the cost of the spell. This effect can stack up to 3 times on the same target.
I mean that just seems like powercreep, oh and apparently the mage heal puts a 30 second buff on the target so they next arcane spell they cast makes it's damage heal them for 100% of the damage of the spell...
Arcane mage mana management is notoriously shit, while it sounds strong on paper its probably going to be pretty rough in reality to do well.
To be fair, arcane damage is limited to arcane missles and arcane explosion.
They get arcane blast that increases healing done as well. And a new skill that increases mana regen by 300%.
I hope that costs a fuck ton of mana because that is a ton of damage for a spell at level 25. Druids get this at 25 and it's definitely gonna be weak as piss since there's like no talents that will buff it by 25
holy fuck this is not looking good drusisters
they need to give us fucking incarn or something absolutely bonkers to make up for this crap
>crusader strike same slot as taunt
So paladins will still be playing without taunt just to keep their mana full
>other rune has 25% of healing received returned as mana
it's like it's a requirement to be functionally illiterate to post on Ganker regularly
You don't always have a healer retard.
If you don’t have a healer, you clearly don’t need taunt.
You clearly have never played a tank.
I have been main tank for multiple realm firsts.
I am going to be main tank my guild for sod.
If there’s no healing required, there’s only a few mobs. If there’s only a few mobs, even with just tab abilities you can handle threat.
I’m gonna roll lock because they seem like they will be very strong, so I don’t have any plans to be a pally, but you’re crazy if you think not having taunt in the open world or with two or three other people makes a difference other than in laziness.
>I have been main tank for multiple realm firsts
You can cope all you want, but you’re just a bad tank.
Imagine telling fictional tales on a Tibetan basket weaving forum just to make yourself feel better about trivial and irrelevant accomplishments in a 20 year old game designed for children.
That's the real definition of cope.
>Unleash all of your remaining mana in a surge of energy focused at the target dealing 95 to 111 Arcane damage, increased by up to 300% based on your mana remaining. Afterward, your normal mana regeneration is activated and increased by 300% for 8 sec.
This sounds stupid but fun
It's a meme mode that's going to be timegated as fuck with no content besides easy as fuck "raids" that's going to probably devolve into doing raids on a daily lockout because a weekly lockout would be too long. There's no way people aren't going to raidlog this mode week 1 and interest dies off immediately.
The worst part is we've heard nothing about people being allocated to it so it's probably going to be 2 guys forming a skeleton crew reusing a shit ton of assets to make "new" content. It's like playing a worse version of ascension
It's a 3 day lockout, which you'd know if you actually paid attention to any of the announcement panels. Don't bother responding because I only read posts from idiots once
>Timegated leveling
No thanks, just another scam to milk retards.
I would just go play Ascension.
It's retail, but in the old azeroth. Nothing vanilla about it except some of the graphics.
Its always funny when people say this not knowing what a colossal difference leveling and questing is in vanilla vs modern WoW.
Sure retail has more extravagant quests, but it will play the same. Extremely op abilities at really low levels. Class homogenization.
Great, retailfags are seething because of their crybaby bitch boy war within your feelings expansion
Types of people in these threads
>PvP-fags: NOOO THIS BREAKS THE BALANCE YOU'RE RUINING MY UNDEAD ROGUE
>Raid-fags: NOOO YOU'LL JUST RUSH RUNES AND MINMAX IN 24 HOURS AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO
>Chad Levelers: Neato, new content, this will be fun with friends
Imagine not having friends, enjoying chill leveling and looking forward to vanilla but with more fun. What a sad life lmao.
The only people that are made are retailfags who are upset that no one is excited for the WoW MCU
It's an excuse for blizzard to point and SoD, fuck it up, and go "See! You think you do but you don't!" and continue to mop classic and people are lapping it up already because they think this is, in any way, is what people wanted when they said classic+.
The perfect video game would be Classic WoW but with TBC abilities and class balance, just squashed down to fit within the 1-60 range.
and with retail character models
or TBC without flying mounts
Might as well play cata, it will give you the same feeling as SoD at low levels.
>Too few tanks and healers in Vanilla servers usually
>Mages are one of the most popular classes in Vanilla
>Arcane is unpopular in Vanilla
>Combine the two to suddenly get a last-minute healer Mage while also making Arcane interesting
This was clever as fuck. I can see a lot of dungeon groups getting formed because the mage can just quickly switch to Arcane.
>Arcane was my first max level on retail
>Switched to healing because I just preferred it as a role as its more active
>Merging my two favorites into one class
Its nice when a company just randomly gives you something you didn't even realise you wanted.
>giving every class everything is FUN!
oh, lol?
microsoft needs to split wow classic from blizzard and give it to someone better holy fuck
Ya'll just made a paladin is about to kite you and exorcize the evil from your bodies.
>Warrior can now use all mobility skills in combat
Good luck catching me lmao
>and of course we will keep things vanilla
>dw and lavalash enhance runes
i'm supposed to believe they aren't out of touch
Did you miss the runes that make Shaman tanks a thing
bro what the fuck makes you think i want to tank?
i want to do big dick damage with a 2h. thats what 99% of people play enhance in vanilla for.
This looks perfect for me! I work 60 hours a week to support my family (SAHM and 4 step kids lol!). I loved wow back in the day but its sooo much time to keep up with it now. I tried retail but the dungeons were just too difficult with all the new mechanics... LOVED the new skills my paladin got though haha.
Seeing that this new season is gonna be level banded is what really sold me on it. It's like they made it just for me! See you gamers in Azeroth!
Get a therapist raid-fag, your depression doesn't change this version of WoW being a good change.
Not sure what you mean? I haven't played WoW in a few years cause I'm just too busy. Hopefully the wifey can take the kids to their Dads house for the weekend so me and the boys can really get a good head start. Shooting for at least level 6 in the first week!
>NOOOO STOP HAVING FUUUUUUUN
Ok raidfag, enjoy your minmax retail homosexualry lmao
Level 10 takes 3 hours but yeah I work 45-50 hours a week so it'll be nice to actually feel caught up I think.
3 hours might as well be 3 days with the constant wife aggro lolz!!
Screencapped this brainrot.
everyone in this thread is just baiting
Jokes on you im master-baiting
>I didn't like Retail because the dungeons were too hard
Do Retail homosexuals really think the reason why people don't like Retail is because the dungeons are too hard?
Yes. Because to play retail is to solely play raids, dungeons and instanced PvP. There is no other content. Most of them have never played vanilla so they have no idea that WoW was built on a world/questing/leveling/exploration.
They also don't realise vanilla leveling and dungeons are genuinely hard. Their so mindbroken with their minmaxed routes and builds they can't comprehend the fact that for people playing blind it can be challenging to get through areas and quest efficiently.
(You)
druid got like one good rune
god I just had a really bad fart that is even smelly to a person such as myself
Ret was perfectly fine for playing the game, aka questing and doing some dungeons now and then, it never needed to be fixed
>muh raid parses are bad
Vanilla was not designed around raiding, that was a mistake some shitsockers threw in two weeks before launch and it shouldn't matter if you're viable or not there because it's not the real game
>95% of your time is spent leveling and in dungeons
>Literally all specs work
>a fraction of people raid, a fraction of those people raid properly with efficient builds
>YOU FUCKING MUUUUUUUST PLAY LIKE THIS FROM LEVEL 1
Of all the things which killed this genre, raids are by far the worst. In theory they could be fun, but in practice it spawns sub-humans who poison the well and fear the community into bad habits.
>Of all the things which killed this genre, raids are by far the worst. In theory they could be fun, but in practice it spawns sub-humans who poison the well and fear the community into bad habits.
i 100% agree. retards jerk off to wowhead/icyveins guides and talk down to you when you don't. i struggle to understand it. it ruins the fun in rpg-type games.
>tfw no matter how much i pretend to hate it i'll be playing it
typing in caps lock doesn't make what you type into a valid argument
>what's the Gankererdict?
Literally retail-lite so Gankereddit loves it.
>mages heal and DPS at the same time, can swap between full DPS, full healing, or 90% DPS that also spam-heals the tank constantly just by changing rune equipment
>warlocks tank with spammable ranged high-threat ability and cleave part of their default rotation, also all of their runes are bonuses on top of Demon Form unlike Shaman needing all of their slots just to be allowed to tank
>priests also exist I guess
TOTAL CLOTHDOMINATION
more like
>LFM BFD FULL ON CLOTH SP GEAR HR
heal and DPS at the same time, can swap between full DPS, full healing, or 90% DPS that also spam-heals the tank constantly just by changing rune equipment
you sure about that? Can't imagine how dogshit their heals would be
Why? It's 100% of their damage converted into healing on a single target. They just need to take the chest healing rune to put a Temporal Beacon on the tank, which only gives up a shitty "+10% damage while above 70% mana" rune, and then take all of of the other Arcane DPS runes.
You realize healers will have healing runes right? And content will theoretically be tuned to that. You might be okay with doing subpar dps and healing. But anyone with a brain would rather just take a dedicated dps and healer.
It allows us to kick all druid healers tho. Bit less damage to have mage throw heal every now and then is well worth having cleaner group.
Except the mage can be a dedicated healer - when necessary, by swapping out rune equipment for their healing runes. But then when you don't need as many healers, they can either go full DPS or almost-full DPS that also makes it almost impossible for the tank to die.
mages also have absurd nuking ability that uses up all their mana, but does up to 300% dmg
that paired with
>pom pyro
>timewarp
>managems
>poly/sheep
they'll be able to get all their mana back after doing this using the timewarp rune. shit is fucking absurd
we're going to be seeing retarded 1v3s where mages mop the floor with everyone else almost instantly, then cap flag/do their business.
i'm surprised that no one else is talking about this
mfw people think pallies having divine storm is going to be strong. lmao
>wasting money on frankensteining classic instead of just going after these illegal servers that do the same and taking money from them too
I unsubbed, it's a bastardization of vanilla that gives/makes every class the roles and abilities of other classes, so theyre able to do everything, it's what the trannies want, soon you'll have all the furry races and all the races can be every class bullshit that killed retail, it makes me fucking sick how openly and disrespectfully they want to turn the game back into retail
Yeah, it's just like retail, fuck retail. I hate all of those mage healers and shaman tanks that are so common in retail, it's literally what killed the game.
for real. and having to do difficult open world content for important character development. Definitely common in retail
You are a delusional sick person. Seek help my friend
The extra healing and tanking classes plus fixing up the problems with the ones no one uses is pretty huge to kill the tank/healer drought.
My biggest fear is that the new shit makes leveling too easy, of fucking it up some other way. I don't want it to feel like WOTLK leveling.
>I don't want it to feel like WOTLK leveling.
Lol dont worry it will
I know, I have a gut feeling the power spike from runes will make leveling fell like WOTLK if they didn't buff normal mobs at all.
Please pleas please pretty fucking please Microsoft please lay off everyone at blizzard, so they can't do any more damage to the franchises, they're speedrunning the franchises to suicide before you can fully takeover, they are literally tanking the company as we watch
They are giving them fate worse than unemployment. Being forced to work on mobile games.
Just play turtle
The class changes in SoD go way too far but the ones in Turtle don't go far enough. Hybrds are still shit
All vanilla needs is ONE OR TWO new abilities that either buff low tier classes/specs in ways they're lacking or give the top tiers a sidegrade playstyle, not a huge mountain of extra shit lifted straight from retail.
>All vanilla needs is ONE OR TWO new abilities
well in SoD they are going to give a lot more than one or two. from what we can see you get 3 at lvl 25, and when they raise the level cap, you will get more.
if you think each spec or class only needs one or two new abilities, then realise you're going to end up with way more than you want. thats kind of the problem
1.) It will be an over-hyped rip-off of Vanilla+ private servers and Project Ascension
2.) It will be wildly imbalanced because there is no beta
3.) People will play it anyway
4.) It will be fun for a few weeks until a meta develops and the WoW community kills it like they did Classic, TBC Classic, and WotLK Classic
I'll try it.
>WoW in 2023
If you haven't realised it's shit and given up on it by now for better gaming experiences, you're done, you are so stockholm syndromed nostalgia fagged deep in the game now you're never getting out, you will literally eat shit off a plate if blizzard serves it to you and calls it WoW. You should really go fuck yourself because you're the reason they never worked to improved the game and could indulge in all kinds of time sinking low effort design and culture war bullshit.
most of Ganker aren't good at videogames and the ones that think they are aren't either their opinions don't matter
Do I play warlock tank or pally tank? Warlock with everlasting affliction, master channeler, and metamorphosis looks pretty fucking good.
Here is something controversal that makes min-maxers seethe
Paladins and Druids are flex roles. They shouldn't be super good at every single thing. The second druids and Paladins become great in every respective role, it makes it so classes like warriors and rogues dont have a place. These roles should be flex roles first and foremost, classes with very wide toolkits that can fill up these gaps of raw incompetence exuded by other classes, the big problem is WoW itemization, especially in classic, doesn't allow for this, and nor do the systems. A paladin cant suddenly change from a healer or rettard to being able to take a few hits on the fly, the closest you get are retard big ego fury-tards unironically. These roles need to switch places on the respective totem pole in terms of their flexibility, there is no flexibility
>but warrior and rogue players are massive homosexuals!
Have you ever seen paladin players and druid players for that matter, you just replace one pack of homosexuals for another, because it would be the same players playing under a different banner
Okay, then why is warrior the best dps and the best tank? It can have flex mode but paladin can only be good at healing?
I mentioned that it shouldn't be the case, that Warriors have the Paladin role, except instead of being flexible its just "being retarded good at both roles"
>it makes it so classes like warriors and rogues dont have a place
a warriors place is to complain about everything. a rogues place is to greykill enemy players when they're at 50% hp while fighting a mob in the world
didn't read the rest of your bullshit
I played Druid in Classic and I agree. I'd argue the only real issue with Classic balancing is that Warriors are simply too good and for Druids, Balance is a fucking meme. I can't really speak for Paladins since I was Horde.
Feral tanks and DPS are fine, and bear tank can sometimes be very good.
Resto is kind of a meme because hots don't stack you rarely want more than 1 and their direct heals aren't as strong.
Balance is just fucking terrible. We had a guild mascot Balance druid who we geared to the teeth in MC for fun, but the spec was just dogshit, no two ways about it
Well Paladins got every spec probably turned into god tier status with these new runes
As for druids maybe their tank will be really good, and heals a bit better, feral cat a little better, but balance druid is giga meme status still
How is ret or prot god tier now? They completely lack the itemization to support it. Most the skills scale off spell power. They're going to need to be completely redesigned like retail in order to scale properly.
Uh I mean look at the pally runes they are all obscenely powerful, prot get passive 30% extra block (basically 60% after tool tip)
A taunt that also passively lets them restore mana from healing received and 20% DR when below 35% health
Beacon healing in classic wow
Just look at their runes they are going to be fotm easily. They were already topping meters as dps by a decent margin as well.
Topping the meters at 25 doesn't mean shit when they don't scale at all into later content due to a complete lack of items to support the builds.
it means a lot when each bracket is apparently going to last months at a time so I'll be unsubbed long before they start to suck hehe
They said each bracket will be a couple weeks
>gets blasted by a single avengers shield
>immediately unsubs
Game is better off without you
They might have just front loaded the pally with all the things people wanted. Theres still 35 more levels and more runs they need to get.
Paladin basically got the equivalent of what others classes will see at level 50 or 60.
tbc classic paladins were honestly worse than any classic era subhuman brownie, and that was an accomplishment
The verdict is you're a retard if you're still playing WoW in 2023, let alone PAYING for it.
hem.
If you are a """warrior'"" main, this game is not for you. For years, you held the mantle of top dog simply by virtue of hurried, unfinished game design. You took all of the gear that you assumed belonged to you. You called the shots. You were the de-facto tank and top DPS. This time has come to an end.
Much like how hybrid classes were relegated to side characters, while the """warrior""" stood in the limelight, it is now your time to experience relegation. And it's going to sting. Big time.
The core tenets of the """warrior""" vis-à-vis Season of Discovery is as follows:
>You are NOT needed.
>You are NOT important.
>You are NOT entitled to raid.
>You are NOT entitled to loot.
>You WILL sit down, shut up, and be humble.
The people have spoken. You are out. Any questions?
>chest + 25 % damage for 12 secs as long as you have either of one of your 30 sec, 1 min cooldowns active or after a crit
>gloves + 10% damage permanent
>legs + 25 damage for 12 swings / secs above 80 rage, which is almost all the time anyway in pre raid bis
that's + 60% damage pretty much permanenty for a fury warrior that already does twice as much dps as the next best dps class
one warrior will be worth 2 to 3 mages or 5 to 6 hunters in a raid
>SoD comes out
>Paladin/Druid players get cocky
>All the toxic faggy warriors move to these classes
>servers become like 5% warrior
>these changes dont impress people
>suddenly groups scrambling for warriors
>groups stuck with "Johnny" the human male player who cant even hold aggro of two mobs in a raid
Then there's me
>Played Feral Druid in Classic
>Endured ceaseless mockery from Warriors
>Suddenly WSG opens up and they're all buddy-buddy asking me to carry a fucking flag
>Planning to play NElf Warrior for SoD, even though Druid might be really good
Based. I hate it when the shit I like becomes the popular thing
nobody is going to be scrambling for the worst class in the game lmao
>overhyped changes by israelitetubers
sorry im only gonna hire the worst warriors in my guild
The part i dont get is that people are making it seem like level 25 is the end game instead of a momentary stop.
If these are the skills at this point i cant imagine the shit well get later honestly.
War might get Titan grip or some shit
Ill just play classic era if I wanna play warrior and SoD (Vanilla -) if I wanna play Druid 🙂
I can't wait for blizzard to reveal that shamans get bloodlust in the next update and the horde is finally revitalized with players
at least that's my cope haha..
>Rune of Time Warp
Warriors will get runes that give them weapon skill thus making them scale harder faster and not locked into retarded weapon skill gear :^)
invite to asmon layer
Honestly R14 gear should just be removed or require you to have killed Kel'thuzad in order to use it.
redpill me on turtle wow, is it worth playing?
No. It's called trannywow for a reason except there's also a shit ton of chinks on it
its what classic+ is supposed to be except they also overly buffed ret pallies like retards like blizz is doing. it's ran by deranged trannys (as is blizzard) if u can stomach that
if you can speak chinese and love ERPing with trannies then its great
I just use the Lasher because it looks cool
No offense but they need to abandon classic altogether.
and do what? i guarentee that classic vanilla dudes make up 50% of the subscriber count. thats why they are scrambling to release SoD, they want to get the paypiggies back
Why? they can just put the interns on making "raids" and porting broken skills from the expacs and millions of blizzslop enjoyers will keep playing for years to come.
Its free money.
none taken, also u are correct, if their idea of classic is adding retail to classic it really is over
There's 400k characters actively raiding on Wrath since ICC, there is zero chance they abandon classic, it could be bigger than retail if they shared actual hard numbers to compare
they should just fork already
The retail team is in charge, they will never allow classic to be anything more than an underfunded afterthought. I would be shocked if classic hasn't had more subscribers than retail during peaks like classic launch in 2019 and still they starve it of funds and staff because its's embarrassing to see 20 year old content beat brand new content
Classic remind me of the early days of FF14 when SE would take all the money and put it to other games before realzing they should actually fund there cash cow.
THough i get the feeling the dev team at blizzard actually hates that classic exsists and is a success.
Same thing happened to Runescape. They neglected it for years until management realized they get more money by funding it because if they didn't their player numbers for RS3 would be all they had and that would look fucking TERRIBLE to potential buyers of Jagex
That part atleast means there is some hope though
This part is the one i think is going to make it impossible to get full investment and a team that isnt spit and bubblegum
>i get the feeling the dev team at blizzard actually hates that classic exsists and is a success
this is 100% true. The kind of people who add gay dragons and bearded women to their game want to force that shit down your throat, and they cant do that in classic
>they cant do that in classic
There is nothing stopping them from doing that.
Well if they wanna kill it, sure.
except barely any funding goes towards classic stuff. its mostly small passionate teams that put it together. these days they've gotten over most of the hurdles already, like making old code compatible with new systems. classic+ does not seem like it would have had a lot of work done in. you can expect most of the money made from subs for classic to go towards bigger projects like new homo dragon fanfic xpansions, or what ever other garbage nublizzard is cooking up.
no i belive that all the money goes to retail.
I think its a shame that is the case because its quite clear they could put more effort into Classic and get way better returns.
But in modern blizzard fashion they just want to keep throwing money at the new thing.
There's a team event the classic team did recently and the entire team fits around a long picnic table, it's sad how deliberately under-resourced they are because retail doesn't want to be outshone so deliberately hamstrings them
most classic devs are just retail devs with free time. SoD is gonna be content starved as fuck if its a picnic table full of diversity hires. a bunch of greybeard white game devs could do it tho.
The banner release feature is 10 man BRD, which is nobodies top 10 favorite instance, so its very easy to doom about SoD
It is too bad they picked level 25. A gnomergan raid would've been superior in every way. Hell they could've done SFK too and just increased its level.
>It is too bad they picked level 25. A gnomergan raid would've been superior in every way.
That would actually require more effort. SoD is very obviously a low effort player retention mode they're pushing to maintain interest since they know a large segment of classic do not want cata classic
they teased a gnomer raid didn't they? Scarlet Monastery and Karazhan Crypt too.
They already said they are increasing the level cap later and making a gnomeregan raid and then later a scarlet monastery raid...
the worst part is they dropped the fact theyve been working on it for 2 years. imagine taking 2 years to add a bunch of spells from other expansions, a pvp system and adding 5 people to a leveling dungeon
probably this, they will get enough interest to show shareholders that its viable then just dump it and make us wait 2 years
>the worst part is they dropped the fact theyve been working on it for 2 years
jfc seriously? I would not have admitted that
its legitimately baffling at the standards blizzard sets for their modern diversity hire team. a bunch of trannys sitting in a their basement begging for donos can put together more content with literally nothing for pservers in 1/16th the time. i swear to god they probably need to run every single change past a diversion and equity team for potential triggering cognito hazards for BIPOCs.
At least half of those 400k are just alts if not more
Ion has said the average retail player has 3-4 alts, so do the math there to figure out how many unique people are currently playing retail, it's well under a million
All offense, but they need to abandon retail altogether.
Some offence but they need to abandon wow altogether.
WoW was never good, Blizzard was never good, and they definitely can't fix that with all their fat trannies running their shit.
>inb4 blizzdrones crying that I spoke the truth
I'm excited to become the demon man with the demon plan
and the plan is to set myself on fire and make healers cry
so are we never getting TBC servers or a season of TBC? I actually enjoyed TBC a lot, almost as much as vanilla. Kinda bummed out retail lite (wotlk) is probably gonna get servers but TBC won't
I guess it depends if Cata does what cata did orginally and tanks again. That would be the only way i see them just going back to progressive servers.
Though i am slightly surprised the person who just made Progressive servers a thing for EQ has so little intrest in doing so for WoW.
tbc kinda mid ngl
I thought TBC was great and a lot of fun
no you can't think that stop!!
never tried wow before, how good is the free trial as an introduction to the game?
It sure is a free trial of all time
Just play on a private server and see if you actually give a fuck. Turtle is probably your best bet but be warned the pve server is 90% chinks, gonna have to go pvp
Going through the dwarf starting zone on the PvE server I've seen like two people with chinky names out of dozens. I imagine most of them are probably playing elves though.
is it really that bad? the hell did they do?
Retail leveling is pointless. The game isn't designed for new players.
The free trial is the first 20 levels and nothing else. It's fucking pointless
Don't even bother. The free trail is fucking terrible. Go play a vanilla private server.
Terrible. Free trial doesn't work for classic so you gotta do retail, but 99% of retail "content" is end-game PvP and PvE like it has been ever since wotlk so you won't get a feel for the game
Played the classic beta and it was blessed. Those low level caps were stupid fun. I am happy that more people will get to experience it now.
>Ascension, but less passion
Nah I'm fine with ass-rape custom servers instead of "official" servers
Just have to hope Blizzard doesn't feel threatened and send C&Ds
i think i do
>people are crying that blizzard is yoinking private server ideas
why the hell not?
what are those russian (assuming that's where they're from) noobs gonna do? sue? it's their fuckin ip
are crying that blizzard is yoinking private server ideas
No, they're upset they're stealing an idea and executing it worse and then passing that off as something else. SoD is a worse ascension because ascension, as unbalance as it is, really gives you so many more options to do shit.
It's shills upset their pserf cash shop will run dry
>all the pro SoD posting immediately goes away all at the same time
yeah, it was 1 guy wasn't it
It's pointless to argue when the game isn't even live. Yeah the changes could end up being dogshit, but I for one am glad they're trying things out. I'll try it for a month and if it's good I'll continue, if it's not, I'll just go back to other games
>yeah, it was 1 guy wasn't it
Take your meds
>comes back minutes later at the same time
Yeah, I'm sure posting on your phone and pc works well when sockpuppeting
i dont hate it but its decidedly not vanilla+, more like vanilla redux
not that thats a bad thing but obviously the insane group of people who have been playing vanilla for 20 years straight arent going to be happy
>every SoD warrior once they hit 25
the ashenvale bounties about to go hard. streamers camped nonstop by rich hits.
I will play a warlock tank
Realistically, how the fuck do you kill a warlock in pvp when they're using this shit? With soul link, and turning drain life into a dot, they will be fucking unkillable. They will have so much more effective hp than any other class and melee characters won't evem have a chance.
they will be unkillable
>this shit
>chaos bolt
warlockchads fucking won
They cant use choas bolt and meta at the same time.
please understand the interns behind this are dong their best. there is zero thought being put into pvp balance at this stage and thats probably a good thing
Probably Paladins beat this? Holy damage bypasses armor, and Exorcism has boosted crit versus Meta
i highly doubt meta is going to actually change your character type into demon rather than humanoid or else they would be permanently immune to shit like sap and poly
Considering that's how druid forms work, why not? I think that's how it worked when locks had Meta but I could be misremembering
its possible, but it would just add to the list of reasons why meta lock would be completely unbeatable in pvp
yea, hence the "permanently immune"
>Banishes you
nothing personal...
only delaying the inevitable
Most PvP in this game is group based. If there is another warlock in the opposing group, you're basically instantly deleted until they've dealt with your group.
I don't think you can even dispel banish since you're immune to everything, but I could be wrong about that
yea banish cant be dispelled but you can always just shift out to prevent it from landing
This was so funny to do to druid trees.
Oh right they were elementals, I remember doing that in arenas now
SoD Meta works like druid shapeshift. No duration.
You don't. But if they are actually tagged as a demon then they will simply be banished spammed until they logout.
come on, 500% armor is only a bit more than bears, and lv 25 locks doesn't have any peel besides Voidwalker Sac Pact
It’ll be shit. Scrapped for actual classic +
Druids are gonna stay dogshit 🙁
dont care about endgame
dont care about pvp
just wanna lvl
lvl bands are retarded
i wish we got a proper caster/sword and board dps spec for paladins at one point in the 20 years of experimenting with the class
I’ll play it.
picrel is me
What are you guys going to play? Do you have a friend group to play with?
I'm a little torn, I might just play Druid because I played that in Classic so it'd be cool to compare all the changes, but I played Warlock in vanilla so that could be cool too, but I feel like everyone is going to play a lock so it wouldn't be fun
Hunter first probably. Definitely Paladin at some point, but I might dodge the initial Paly rush and hope on afterwards.
Although thinking about it, maybe it is better to start as Paladin to join all the inevitable Veragin's Fist groups.
Got a small squad going with the boys, gonna lock tank, friend is likely gonna ret pally, not sure about the last one
I'm torn between Pally and playing Horde(probably Warrior)
Leaning towards shaman. My pal usually plays rogue or hunter so I want to play something that can chuck a few heals around. If I can actually tank 5 mans now too that is also huge.
Honestly I'm tempted to go warrior. I've never played a warrior in vanilla/classic because I hate feeling like I'm playing the class that everyone else is playing, and this might be the only time ever that warrior won't be the most played class.
This might honestly the best time ever to play a warrior. The changes they are getting are absolutely insane for 60 raiding DPS and everyone is sleeping on the class right now. Might not be topping the meters in leveling gear but definitely going to be on top by miles once you can cap hit and and start stacking crit.
hopefully hunter with my only high school WoW gaming crew that is still alive/didnt become a normie. gonna get that lone wolf talent and BALASTTTTT
My friends are chopping at the bit to devour this slop, but they've also spent like $1k on ascension between the 8 of them so this is exactly the kind of bastardization of WoW they love.
I'll probably play a Druid and tank for the group then switch to cat at 60 if this shit isnt dead after the first month.
I like the idea of playing a healing mage so I might do that.
Bros... Warlocks running demo, with meta and demonic tactis have an instant cast searing pain, with a base 25% crit chance and a 10% chance to daze, with no cd. 500% armor, 10% reduced physical damage taken, 30% reduced all damage taken, and drain life that doesn't need channeling.
I think I know what I will be playing.
Wait. When people told me about "warlock tanks," I thought they meant the voidwalker would be tanking. The actual fucking warlock is going to be a tank now?
yes
metamorph is permanent
you are the demons
and you still have your pet
>osrs leagues but shittier
>launched at the same time as leagues 4
lol, lmao even
Am I missing something or do all of the priest runes seem kind of underwhelming compared to what everyone else gets?
penance is busted ez mode auto aim spam
might play this once they finish the seasonal shit and just release all the changes into a permanent server
literally goyslop. but of course the wowcucks will pay for anything blizzard shits out
>get to level 25 in 1 day
>get bored because there's no point in min/maxing a level 25 character
>ascension for the mentally underdeveloped
The absolute state of paypigs
>Please play on our russian server, Putin took our admin's savings we need more money
>The absolute state of paypigs
log on ascension right now and take a screenshot infront of the ah without 20 sets of paypig wings and transmogs in view
Log on any blizz server and post a pic without someone indirectly selling gear for money by offering boosted runs
the only reason you don't see it on pservers is because it's done on dm's with the GMs
glad we can come to an agreement that both official server and ascension players are paypigs
vanilla wow should add transmog
>Warriorfags seething that they potentially arent the be all end all option.
Every time.
Lol
>season of warrior cope
im here for it
Continued beating of a pulverized horse skeleton.
I think what would've been a cool idea is if in vanilla instead of the level cap being 60 have it be 70 and make it so the only way to get experience is from end-game raids. maybe even give the raids a sense of progression too. MC is 60-63, BWL 63-65, naxx could be 68-70.
obviously the leveling at 60+ wouldn't be as fast as 50-60 would be, it'd be more like diablo 2 where leveling above 80 takes a very long time. It'd give you even more of a reason to run raids and have some talent points to look forward to