Lol this is accurate and actually makes the scene kind of funny. Him casually addressing the President (who he’s likely never met face to face) in a way that almost sounds like they used to sip tea together really drives home just how disconnected from reality he really was.
>Also what the frick is this dialogue. I don't remember it being this bad.
Final Fantasy has always been for mouth breathers. That's why it's so popular.
he doesnt remember him
he calls him a deserter because cloud is in soldier uniform and commiting terrorist acts on company property instead of his "job" (protecting shinra corp investments)
This. He also accepts that he was in SOLDIER because of the Mako eyes >Cloud >Long time no see, President.
>President Shinra >...Long time no see? Oh... you. >You're the one who quit SOLDIER and joined AVALANCHE. I knew you'd >been exposed to Mako, from the look in your eyes... >Tell me, traitor... what was your name?
>Cloud >Cloud.
>President Shinra >Forgive me for asking, but I can't be expected to remember each person's >name. >Unless you become another Sephiroth. >Yes, Sephiroth... He was brilliant. Perhaps too brilliant...
As you can see, he doesn't actually remember Cloud or his name. He just heard that a former SOLDIER and joined AVALANCHE, and the Mako eyes seemed to confirm it.
Because Cloud is fricked in the head. Maybe Zack had met him before and shared the story. We can imagine that 1st classes would have some occasions or events where they'd cross paths with the president. It's a very prestigious and elite group.
He probably has. Probably not personally introduced but as a random grunt he could have been in the president's presence even if just as a guard during a parade.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Didn't we see pretty much all of Zach's time as a SOLDIER in the psp game? He never met the president.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're asking why a PS1 game from 1997 doesn't take into account a PSP game from ten years later?
Jenova has the power to absorb memories of other people (which is how it was able to take on the forms of the cetra's dead loved ones). This is how Cloud knows shit he really shouldn't know about.
It's interesting that Cloud was inadvertently pulling a Bavarian fire drill. He was so convinced he was SOLDIER that everyone else bought it too, including the people who run SOLDIER.
If you were to describe Cloud, it would be "A man with blonde spiky hair and a huge sword wearing a SOLDIER uniform", it'd be easy to assume he was a deserter since elite uniforms aren't exactly bought off the shelves.
Technically that's not wrong. Cloud was a deserter. It's a little odd the president would remember a random grunt but given the circumstances of Cloud's desertion he probably would have known most of the story through Hojo.
It was luck but also demonstrative that Cloud was way more competent than he ever gave himself credit for. His crippling insecurity didn't allow him to process that he grabbed Legendary SOLDIER Sephiroth by the sword that he had just been stabbed with and threw him over a railing. It also demonstrates something else that was more subtle. That most of SOLDIER's reputation was bullshit. The prestige was mostly just PR. The two legitimate SOLDIERs we see in the game both get fricked by rank and file uniformed guards.
True but it turns out they're really just Hojo's guinea pigs who happen to be quality stormtroopers. They exist only because Hojo needed people to test shit on and the good PR encouraged people to willingly join. I think the FFVII Extended Universe misses the mark here when they make SOLDIER look like it's filled with Super Saiyans. They're more like the Navy SEALs than the Avengers but they have the latter's reputation among the public.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the Avengers’ reputation
The general public thinks SOLDIER is gay bullshit for snoyboy manchildren?
1 year ago
Anonymous
impressively poor reading comprehension
1 year ago
Anonymous
>They're more like the Navy SEALs than the Avengers but they have the latter's reputation among the public.
1 year ago
Anonymous
he's referring to the respective in-universe reputation of SOLDIER and the avengers. glad I could clear that up for ya.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh you’re saying that the average Joe living inside an Avengers movie doesn’t think the Avengers are fricking gay? Great point dude. I never thought of it that way.
Take your fricking capeshit and get your homosexual ass off my board.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>capeshit
You have to go back.
That shit is too gay even for a Final Fantasy thread.
Hate to break it to you but FF7 was always Capeshit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I thought Vincent was a Zompire. You know, a Vambie.
1 year ago
Anonymous
not sure why you're taking it out on me friendo I'm just clarifying the other anon's point so that you can engage with it more directly. have a nice day.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>is told he has shit reading comprehension >doubles down
1 year ago
Anonymous
he's referring to the respective in-universe reputation of SOLDIER and the avengers. glad I could clear that up for ya.
>They're more like the Navy SEALs than the Avengers but they have the [Avengers’] reputation among the public.
You’re pretending to be moronic, right?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the FFVII Extended Universe misses the mark here
The FF7 Extended Universe had multiple planet level crises a mere handful of years before Final Fatasy VII and even more immediately after it ended. They missed the mark with literally everything.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>They're more like the Navy SEALs than the Avengers
Not really, SOLDIER is pretty explicitly a form of "Captain America if he worked for BP Oil"
1 year ago
Anonymous
>capeshit
You have to go back.
That shit is too gay even for a Final Fantasy thread.
1 year ago
Anonymous
While a lot of the Compilation is Fricking Stupid, the way SOLDIER is handled is pretty okay. I'd like to think of it as the other way round: SOLDIER exists as a smoke-screen for Shinra's fricked-up genetic experiments.
Recruit some promising youths, inject some Mountain Dew into their veins and tell them that if they work really hard they can be a First Class like Sephiroth, Gackt and whoever the other fricker was. Of course, no matter how hard they try they'll never equal the Firsts because they were made using a different process, but the existence of Second classes show them that there is some potential for progression.
It's always implied in CC that Zack being promoted to First was kind-of a mistake.
This way, SOLDIER serves as two purposes: Special forces and as cover story for where all these super-duper-soldiers come from, even if actually they're made in a different way that they're pretending doesn't exist.
Deepground is still idiotic though.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Was Zack in SOLDIER before the war with Wutai? Because that seemed to change how everything progressed since his performance in that war was Sephiroth's claim to fame. I can imagine afterwards the whole thing shifted from typical Special Forces to "more Sephiroths please." And Hojo would have been happy to oblige.
i cant be the only one who thinks zack is more cringe than laguna
1 year ago
Anonymous
Laguna is like a parody of Compilation Zack
1 year ago
Anonymous
zack = story filler
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The fricking lynchpin of Cloud's entire story arc >Filler
He has more relevance to the plot than Yuffie, Red, Vincent, and Cid combined.
1 year ago
Anonymous
see
>"the one who should have slept.... was YOU HOJO!...."
vs
>zack: "......" im dead lol
did you even play the frickin game anon
Lol this is accurate and actually makes the scene kind of funny. Him casually addressing the President (who he’s likely never met face to face) in a way that almost sounds like they used to sip tea together really drives home just how disconnected from reality he really was.
ignore
>"the one who should have slept.... was YOU HOJO!...."
vs
>zack: "......" im dead lol
did you even play the frickin game anon
1 year ago
Anonymous
i cant be the only one who thinks zack is more cringe than laguna
Laguna is the most based character in all of final fantasy
1 year ago
Anonymous
How the frick did FFVIII have both the worst writing and the best writing in the entire series? Laguna is a perfect character and his arc is mantears worthy.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Idk bro. The Winhill theme still gets to me
1 year ago
Anonymous
How the frick did FFVIII have both the worst writing and the best writing in the entire series? Laguna is a perfect character and his arc is mantears worthy.
Laguna is the only character in RPG history written by adults for other adults.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's just a shame we didn't get more of him. Or at least his reunion with his son. The man spent his entire life sacrificing for those he loves and losing them again and again. He fricking deserved SOMETHING
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you want a shitty dad who abandons his children and wife, there was already one earlier in FF6.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I forget. Did he even know Squall was his son?
1 year ago
Anonymous
He never even knew Raine was pregnant. Still, after rescuing Ellone he sent her back to Winhill alone, had no one watching them, no contact with them, and Ellone and Squall wound up being orphaned while he just sat in Esthar on his throne.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Right now I remember. Didn't he take the presidency for the sake of keeping the peace? He didn't really want the job. That's why Laguna's story is so bittersweet. He had the hots for a singer who liked him back, that didn't work out and he stumbled into a random town, fell in love with a local girl, had to take a job he didn't want, and lost her young. But the time he was with her was the happiest he'd ever been and he reflects on it with joy rather than sadness. It's something that resonates with you after you've been through a lot of shit.
>That most of SOLDIER's reputation was bullshit. The prestige was mostly just PR. The two legitimate SOLDIERs we see in the game both get fricked by rank and file uniformed guards.
Lol not anymore now SOLDIERs are low rent DBZ characters
He sneaks up on him and gets a cheap shot. That’s it, a low level mook downs the big baddy with a sneak attack. The game is full of subversions like that.
>this thread
why is a simple scene so hard to understand
ESLs man
True but it turns out they're really just Hojo's guinea pigs who happen to be quality stormtroopers. They exist only because Hojo needed people to test shit on and the good PR encouraged people to willingly join. I think the FFVII Extended Universe misses the mark here when they make SOLDIER look like it's filled with Super Saiyans. They're more like the Navy SEALs than the Avengers but they have the latter's reputation among the public.
Any piece of FF7 media released after the original game dips into bad fan fiction territory that completely misses what made the source material lightning in a bottle.
Didn't we see pretty much all of Zach's time as a SOLDIER in the psp game? He never met the president.
It really didn't. There were a handful of errors but it was all unimportant shit like the "so thats how you fooled them" line. What messed people up, and this is a problem with most of Square's writing on the PS1, is that they'd drop a crucial plot point in hour 3 and then follow up on that in hour 15 and just assume the player remembered it. But since people dont typically marathon 60 hour RPGs you could have used some benchmarking. FFVIII is notorious for this because the seemingly insignificant factoid that GFs sometimes cause memory loss ends up becoming a major plot point way later, long after you forgot about the foreshadowing, if you even noticed it in the first place.
The translation doesn't actually present any incorrect information outside of Vincent's recruitment scene where he says Sephiroth was created five years prior to the game. It's overall written terribly and there are some important sections that really fricking suck (Cloud's speech after he returns from the Lifestream is worded especially poorly), but the text generally represents what was said in Japanese throughout.
FFT has a fine translation, there's a few errors and they struggle with the character limit on occasion but that's the extent of it. a few characters come off as overly blunt compared to the japanese but it's not a huge deal. These issues are fixed in the WOTL translation but Alexander O Smith's purple prose is at its highest level and some people prefer the original translation because they want people to just fricking say bean soup instead of "broth of bean"
FFT feels like it was written by someone who wasn't quite proficient in either Japanese or English. It's a level below FF7 in quality, and quite regularly presents outright incorrect information. To be fair to the translator, it is written with far more uncommon vocabulary than any other FF preceding it.
FFT has a fine translation, there's a few errors and they struggle with the character limit on occasion but that's the extent of it. a few characters come off as overly blunt compared to the japanese but it's not a huge deal. These issues are fixed in the WOTL translation but Alexander O Smith's purple prose is at its highest level and some people prefer the original translation because they want people to just fricking say bean soup instead of "broth of bean"
Alexander O Smith didn't do the WotL translation, and you're really underselling how shit the PS1 translation is. Whether it's worth putting up with the flowery dialogue of WotL (and the general fricking garbage quality of the port) is up to the individual, but you have to call a spade a spade.
It really didn't. There were a handful of errors but it was all unimportant shit like the "so thats how you fooled them" line. What messed people up, and this is a problem with most of Square's writing on the PS1, is that they'd drop a crucial plot point in hour 3 and then follow up on that in hour 15 and just assume the player remembered it. But since people dont typically marathon 60 hour RPGs you could have used some benchmarking. FFVIII is notorious for this because the seemingly insignificant factoid that GFs sometimes cause memory loss ends up becoming a major plot point way later, long after you forgot about the foreshadowing, if you even noticed it in the first place.
the main thing that confused me for a long time was the term "Sephiroth clone" because whenever the word 'clone' is used in any media it refers to a near-identical duplicate. I thought the men in black capes all looked like Sephy underneath. Then there's the fact that there actually *is* a Sephiroth duplicate running around.
Yeah, Hojo's science stuff isn't badly translated as much as it's just not conveyed as clearly as it could have been. Though that may have been by design. Hojo was a lunatic even by Shinra's standards and he didn't give a shit about any of the business concerns of the executives, who let him do whatever he wanted because he got results. So it's perfectly Hojo to not care if anyone doesn't understand his work.
FFVII is weird that way. A shit ton of plot critical information is skippable. I played through the game several times before I even knew about the existence of the Cloud and Zack flashback.
1 year ago
Anonymous
There's at least an excuse for that one, as it was additional content added into the re-release.
Cloud was in SOLDIER tho, he was experimented on with Mako and made to join after the incident at Nibelheim. Cloud didn't just sit around as a grunt in the years between that and joining Avalanche.
He was fricked with in Nibelheim but Zack sprung him out before Hojo could do anything with him. Zack dressed Cloud in a spare SOLDIER uniform and he then spent the trip to Midgar doing his best impression of Timmy from South Park before coming to after Zack was shot, taking Zack's Buster Sword, and then stumbling into the city claiming to be Ex-SOLDIER before presumably running into Tifa who then recruited him into Avalanche.
Nah, he got the Mako treatment and all, but he left with Zack as soon as he escaped from Hojo's lab. They decided to become mercenaries (or Zack did anyway, Cloud wasn't all there) and then headed for Midgar.
He probably has. Probably not personally introduced but as a random grunt he could have been in the president's presence even if just as a guard during a parade.
This or
Because Cloud is fricked in the head. Maybe Zack had met him before and shared the story. We can imagine that 1st classes would have some occasions or events where they'd cross paths with the president. It's a very prestigious and elite group.
, either way it's plausible he could've seen him at some point
the nip was likely this which is incredibly common and essentially used as long time no see, it's been a while, etc. It doesn't sound cringe in Japanese.
It's Cloud trying to be a cool wiseass. It's like saying "didn't expect to see you here" when the character did in fact expect to see them here. So he doesn't need to have seen the President before for this to make sense.
I played Crisis Core and don’t remember any scenes that even featured President Shinra. Regardless, he almost certainly knew who the President was and had probably seen him before on multiple occasions (but just never directly met him in person).
Is this really so hard for you guys to imagine without having it explicitly happen in the game? He was a fricking grunt in the President’s military— it’d be like joining the US Army and somehow not knowing who the US President is. And since Cloud decided to adopt the persona of one of the highest ranking members of their military, believing that he’d met the President before doesn’t seem far fetched at all.
No, it'd be like being in special forces and seeing a speech by the president.
Then years later when you get out, you see him and saying: "Long time, no see, Mr. Trump".
Then him looking at your special forces uniform and saying, "Ah, the deserter."
The president only recognizes the uniform and the spunky attitude. He’s too busy thinking up new ways to be a menace to mankind to bother with remembering his subordinates.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Except the president says "I can't be expected to REMEMBER each person's name."
Which means they met before.
1 year ago
Anonymous
…what? How does that imply that they’ve met before?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Are you moronic? That's what "remember" fricking means, you ESL shit head.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Bruh, in what fricking universe does the statement “I can’t be expected to remember each person’s name” automatically translate to ‘we’ve met before’? It’s an entirely ambiguous statement, as in maybe he met him or maybe not— he’s not sure because he’s a hotshot bigwig who can’t be arsed to remember every spikey-haired dickhead that isn’t his golden boy Sephiroth.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>That's what "remember" fricking means, you ESL shit head.
only ESLs like you think that english is dictated by what it says in the dictionary. despite using the word "remember", the president is actually saying that he doesn't remember at all!
1 year ago
Anonymous
This isn't even a dictionary thing. The president doesn't remember meeting him, and the ESL thinks the president is therefore affirming that they have necessarily met. You gotta get into the mindset of a moron to level with this guy
1 year ago
Anonymous
This isn't even a dictionary thing. The president doesn't remember meeting him, and the ESL thinks the president is therefore affirming that they have necessarily met. You gotta get into the mindset of a moron to level with this guy
Are you two playing stupid or is this real?
If he didn't know Cloud he would have said "I can't be expect to KNOW each SOLDIER's name."
Instead he said 'remember'.
Jesus frick, were you home schooled?
1 year ago
Anonymous
If someone implies they know you in some way but you don't remember them then it's natural to take them at their word and just say you don't remember them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Not necessarily. What you saideans essentially the same thing. Him meaning no one would ever try to inform him of every SOLDIERs name because he couldn't possibly remember them all is the same thing.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They both imply the same thing, which is that he isn’t sure if he’s met him before or not. Evidently you are ESL or you wouldn’t find this extraordinarily basic manner of speech to be such a conundrum.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Mate, saying I DON'T REMEMBER X is not the same thing as X NECESSARILY HAPPENED. If anything, having no recollection of X is evidence that X did not happen
1 year ago
Anonymous
not that this conversation is interesting in the slightest, but in the original japanese he uses the verb 覚える which carries more a connotation of recalling or memorizing. So he's apologizing for asking the name because he can't be fricked to memorize the names of all the SOLDIERs.
>すまないがソルジャーの名前なんていちいち覚えとらんのでな
This doesn't imply one way or the other whether or not he's met them. It could simply mean that he's seen all their names in a database but didn't memorize them.
1 year ago
Anonymous
いちいち is perhaps better translated as "every single", which makes it less ambiguous. The sentence is mostly about stressing how there's a lot of SOLDIERs that he doesn't care to distinguish between. I think the original english translation gets it across fine if you're not too ESL (I am slightly ESL)
Anon, it’s a goddamn anime-tier story in a videogame aimed at teenaged boys in the 90s. Suspension of disbelief is a bit of a necessity in order to sequence the events without giving yourself an aneurism.
And this
Cloud thinks he’s Zack moron
is basically all the explanation you need in order to make sense of it.
He doesn't call him a deserter even, look at the actual script
This. He also accepts that he was in SOLDIER because of the Mako eyes >Cloud >Long time no see, President.
>President Shinra >...Long time no see? Oh... you. >You're the one who quit SOLDIER and joined AVALANCHE. I knew you'd >been exposed to Mako, from the look in your eyes... >Tell me, traitor... what was your name?
>Cloud >Cloud.
>President Shinra >Forgive me for asking, but I can't be expected to remember each person's >name. >Unless you become another Sephiroth. >Yes, Sephiroth... He was brilliant. Perhaps too brilliant...
As you can see, he doesn't actually remember Cloud or his name. He just heard that a former SOLDIER and joined AVALANCHE, and the Mako eyes seemed to confirm it.
. He's just aware that an ex-SOLDIER is working for AVALANCHE. It makes sense he would've heard about that after the blew up the first reactor (even if it wasn't the truth).
kek im literally just private security
i met the president of hitachi corp in california
he smiled to me and said thank you
the rest of the staff were horrible dickheads
he was surrounded by annoying people all talking to him at once "handlers"
Weren't all SOLDIERs Hojo's attempt to clone Sephiroth or did I just make that up? Not clone like genetic clone but clone like reproduce the same result, and the successes join SOLDIER while the failures are left to be the this guy are sick dude.
>Not clone like genetic clone but clone like reproduce the same result
Yes that's what a Sephiroth Clone means. They're all failures however because they didn't get the injections in the womb like Sephiroth did.
No, not quite. The process of making a SOLDIER and making a Sephiroth Copy is the same (injection of Jenova cells + showered in Mako), but the SOLDIER project predates the Sephiroth Copy project. The Sephiroth Copy project started after the Nibelheim incident, and its goal was not actually to produce another person as strong as Sephiroth, it was actually the opposite. Hojo wanted to use those who lost their sense of self from the injection/showering to prove his Reunion theory. So "Sephiroth Copy" is a pretty terrible name, but you know, Japan things.
>I don't remember it being this bad.
it's absolutely horrible. this game has no gameplay and the writing sucks too, easily the most overrated thing ever created
>cloud
>delusional frickwad
>completely out of his fricking mind
the entire story takes place in the mind of mako-poisoned schitzoid
none of it happened
no that's FF8
Headcanon literally deboonked by the creators
Shitty buzzfeed fan theory
>regularly gets blasted by magic and weapons
>survives
>gets ouchie on shoulder and falls down 3 feet
>dead
gets blasted by magic and weapons
the battle system isn't canon
Pretty closeto this not that none of it happened, but Cloud is an unreliable narrator with fricked up memories.
Lol this is accurate and actually makes the scene kind of funny. Him casually addressing the President (who he’s likely never met face to face) in a way that almost sounds like they used to sip tea together really drives home just how disconnected from reality he really was.
>"the one who should have slept.... was YOU HOJO!...."
vs
>zack: "......" im dead lol
did you even play the frickin game anon
That is just a cliche one liner. Translators probably couldn't think of any better quip there.
>hisashiburi da na, president
In the Japanese he says essentially the same thing as in English.
>Also what the frick is this dialogue. I don't remember it being this bad.
Final Fantasy has always been for mouth breathers. That's why it's so popular.
He was a SOLDIER First Class, OP. Of course he met the president.
... No he wasn't.
But the next line is about how the president remembers him. He calls him a deserter.
he doesnt remember him
he calls him a deserter because cloud is in soldier uniform and commiting terrorist acts on company property instead of his "job" (protecting shinra corp investments)
This. He also accepts that he was in SOLDIER because of the Mako eyes
>Cloud
>Long time no see, President.
>President Shinra
>...Long time no see? Oh... you.
>You're the one who quit SOLDIER and joined AVALANCHE. I knew you'd
>been exposed to Mako, from the look in your eyes...
>Tell me, traitor... what was your name?
>Cloud
>Cloud.
>President Shinra
>Forgive me for asking, but I can't be expected to remember each person's >name.
>Unless you become another Sephiroth.
>Yes, Sephiroth... He was brilliant. Perhaps too brilliant...
As you can see, he doesn't actually remember Cloud or his name. He just heard that a former SOLDIER and joined AVALANCHE, and the Mako eyes seemed to confirm it.
But why did Cloud say, "Long time no see."?
It implies he has... you know... seen him before.
Because Cloud is fricked in the head. Maybe Zack had met him before and shared the story. We can imagine that 1st classes would have some occasions or events where they'd cross paths with the president. It's a very prestigious and elite group.
He probably has. Probably not personally introduced but as a random grunt he could have been in the president's presence even if just as a guard during a parade.
Didn't we see pretty much all of Zach's time as a SOLDIER in the psp game? He never met the president.
You're asking why a PS1 game from 1997 doesn't take into account a PSP game from ten years later?
Jenova has the power to absorb memories of other people (which is how it was able to take on the forms of the cetra's dead loved ones). This is how Cloud knows shit he really shouldn't know about.
It's interesting that Cloud was inadvertently pulling a Bavarian fire drill. He was so convinced he was SOLDIER that everyone else bought it too, including the people who run SOLDIER.
If you were to describe Cloud, it would be "A man with blonde spiky hair and a huge sword wearing a SOLDIER uniform", it'd be easy to assume he was a deserter since elite uniforms aren't exactly bought off the shelves.
President of ShinRa. The company he worked for. Did you play the game?
Zack met the president, Cloud basically believes hes Zack without remembering who he is.
>Also what the frick is this dialogue.
spotted the ESL.
cloud campaigned for him in north corel
Technically that's not wrong. Cloud was a deserter. It's a little odd the president would remember a random grunt but given the circumstances of Cloud's desertion he probably would have known most of the story through Hojo.
Does the game ever explain how Cloud beat Sephiroth for the first time after he goes crazy? I haven't played that far in a long time.
He catches him by surprise basically. If you check his materia during the flashback you'll see this too.
neat
i thought he just had a bit of luck & caught seph off guard due to being in uniform
It was luck but also demonstrative that Cloud was way more competent than he ever gave himself credit for. His crippling insecurity didn't allow him to process that he grabbed Legendary SOLDIER Sephiroth by the sword that he had just been stabbed with and threw him over a railing. It also demonstrates something else that was more subtle. That most of SOLDIER's reputation was bullshit. The prestige was mostly just PR. The two legitimate SOLDIERs we see in the game both get fricked by rank and file uniformed guards.
True, but the SOLDIERs you encounter in random battles are pretty tough
True but it turns out they're really just Hojo's guinea pigs who happen to be quality stormtroopers. They exist only because Hojo needed people to test shit on and the good PR encouraged people to willingly join. I think the FFVII Extended Universe misses the mark here when they make SOLDIER look like it's filled with Super Saiyans. They're more like the Navy SEALs than the Avengers but they have the latter's reputation among the public.
>the Avengers’ reputation
The general public thinks SOLDIER is gay bullshit for snoyboy manchildren?
impressively poor reading comprehension
>They're more like the Navy SEALs than the Avengers but they have the latter's reputation among the public.
he's referring to the respective in-universe reputation of SOLDIER and the avengers. glad I could clear that up for ya.
Oh you’re saying that the average Joe living inside an Avengers movie doesn’t think the Avengers are fricking gay? Great point dude. I never thought of it that way.
Take your fricking capeshit and get your homosexual ass off my board.
Hate to break it to you but FF7 was always Capeshit.
I thought Vincent was a Zompire. You know, a Vambie.
not sure why you're taking it out on me friendo I'm just clarifying the other anon's point so that you can engage with it more directly. have a nice day.
>is told he has shit reading comprehension
>doubles down
>They're more like the Navy SEALs than the Avengers but they have the [Avengers’] reputation among the public.
You’re pretending to be moronic, right?
>the FFVII Extended Universe misses the mark here
The FF7 Extended Universe had multiple planet level crises a mere handful of years before Final Fatasy VII and even more immediately after it ended. They missed the mark with literally everything.
>They're more like the Navy SEALs than the Avengers
Not really, SOLDIER is pretty explicitly a form of "Captain America if he worked for BP Oil"
>capeshit
You have to go back.
That shit is too gay even for a Final Fantasy thread.
While a lot of the Compilation is Fricking Stupid, the way SOLDIER is handled is pretty okay. I'd like to think of it as the other way round: SOLDIER exists as a smoke-screen for Shinra's fricked-up genetic experiments.
Recruit some promising youths, inject some Mountain Dew into their veins and tell them that if they work really hard they can be a First Class like Sephiroth, Gackt and whoever the other fricker was. Of course, no matter how hard they try they'll never equal the Firsts because they were made using a different process, but the existence of Second classes show them that there is some potential for progression.
It's always implied in CC that Zack being promoted to First was kind-of a mistake.
This way, SOLDIER serves as two purposes: Special forces and as cover story for where all these super-duper-soldiers come from, even if actually they're made in a different way that they're pretending doesn't exist.
Deepground is still idiotic though.
Was Zack in SOLDIER before the war with Wutai? Because that seemed to change how everything progressed since his performance in that war was Sephiroth's claim to fame. I can imagine afterwards the whole thing shifted from typical Special Forces to "more Sephiroths please." And Hojo would have been happy to oblige.
>The two legitimate SOLDIERs we see in the game both get fricked by rank and file uniformed guards.
Zack was up against an army.
i cant be the only one who thinks zack is more cringe than laguna
Laguna is like a parody of Compilation Zack
zack = story filler
>The fricking lynchpin of Cloud's entire story arc
>Filler
He has more relevance to the plot than Yuffie, Red, Vincent, and Cid combined.
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Laguna is the most based character in all of final fantasy
How the frick did FFVIII have both the worst writing and the best writing in the entire series? Laguna is a perfect character and his arc is mantears worthy.
Idk bro. The Winhill theme still gets to me
Laguna is the only character in RPG history written by adults for other adults.
It's just a shame we didn't get more of him. Or at least his reunion with his son. The man spent his entire life sacrificing for those he loves and losing them again and again. He fricking deserved SOMETHING
If you want a shitty dad who abandons his children and wife, there was already one earlier in FF6.
I forget. Did he even know Squall was his son?
He never even knew Raine was pregnant. Still, after rescuing Ellone he sent her back to Winhill alone, had no one watching them, no contact with them, and Ellone and Squall wound up being orphaned while he just sat in Esthar on his throne.
Right now I remember. Didn't he take the presidency for the sake of keeping the peace? He didn't really want the job. That's why Laguna's story is so bittersweet. He had the hots for a singer who liked him back, that didn't work out and he stumbled into a random town, fell in love with a local girl, had to take a job he didn't want, and lost her young. But the time he was with her was the happiest he'd ever been and he reflects on it with joy rather than sadness. It's something that resonates with you after you've been through a lot of shit.
Please stop posting shit from the PSP when we're talking the original game. They are retcons.
he was up against three dudes
that’s all the PSX could render
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>That most of SOLDIER's reputation was bullshit. The prestige was mostly just PR. The two legitimate SOLDIERs we see in the game both get fricked by rank and file uniformed guards.
Lol not anymore now SOLDIERs are low rent DBZ characters
He sneaks up on him and gets a cheap shot. That’s it, a low level mook downs the big baddy with a sneak attack. The game is full of subversions like that.
ESLs man
Any piece of FF7 media released after the original game dips into bad fan fiction territory that completely misses what made the source material lightning in a bottle.
Crisis Core or whatever is bad fan fiction anon
YOU WANNA MAKE CRISIS CORE EVEN MORE CURSED???
Stabbed him in the back when Sephiroth was too busy ranting at Jenova to notice, which weakened Sephiroth enough that Cloud could overpower him later.
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Guess I was slightly wrong, Sephiroth turned around but not fast enough to avoid it, so he was stabbed in the front
>this thread
why is a simple scene so hard to understand
in all fairness cloud DOES imply that he met that mf
This entire board is made up of grown adults asking how to beat something a 5-year old could beat.
FF7 had a botched translation that fricked with people's understanding of the game
It really didn't. There were a handful of errors but it was all unimportant shit like the "so thats how you fooled them" line. What messed people up, and this is a problem with most of Square's writing on the PS1, is that they'd drop a crucial plot point in hour 3 and then follow up on that in hour 15 and just assume the player remembered it. But since people dont typically marathon 60 hour RPGs you could have used some benchmarking. FFVIII is notorious for this because the seemingly insignificant factoid that GFs sometimes cause memory loss ends up becoming a major plot point way later, long after you forgot about the foreshadowing, if you even noticed it in the first place.
The translation doesn't actually present any incorrect information outside of Vincent's recruitment scene where he says Sephiroth was created five years prior to the game. It's overall written terribly and there are some important sections that really fricking suck (Cloud's speech after he returns from the Lifestream is worded especially poorly), but the text generally represents what was said in Japanese throughout.
The translation is totally fine. I wish people would stop saying this. So few games have truly bad translations.
How's FFT? I've always heard it was awful.
FFT has a fine translation, there's a few errors and they struggle with the character limit on occasion but that's the extent of it. a few characters come off as overly blunt compared to the japanese but it's not a huge deal. These issues are fixed in the WOTL translation but Alexander O Smith's purple prose is at its highest level and some people prefer the original translation because they want people to just fricking say bean soup instead of "broth of bean"
FFT feels like it was written by someone who wasn't quite proficient in either Japanese or English. It's a level below FF7 in quality, and quite regularly presents outright incorrect information. To be fair to the translator, it is written with far more uncommon vocabulary than any other FF preceding it.
Alexander O Smith didn't do the WotL translation, and you're really underselling how shit the PS1 translation is. Whether it's worth putting up with the flowery dialogue of WotL (and the general fricking garbage quality of the port) is up to the individual, but you have to call a spade a spade.
FF7 has typos, but the translation is fine
the main thing that confused me for a long time was the term "Sephiroth clone" because whenever the word 'clone' is used in any media it refers to a near-identical duplicate. I thought the men in black capes all looked like Sephy underneath. Then there's the fact that there actually *is* a Sephiroth duplicate running around.
Yeah, Hojo's science stuff isn't badly translated as much as it's just not conveyed as clearly as it could have been. Though that may have been by design. Hojo was a lunatic even by Shinra's standards and he didn't give a shit about any of the business concerns of the executives, who let him do whatever he wanted because he got results. So it's perfectly Hojo to not care if anyone doesn't understand his work.
The vast majority of Hojo's story is optional content you can only see if you explore the Shinra Mansion basement and Icicle Inn.
FFVII is weird that way. A shit ton of plot critical information is skippable. I played through the game several times before I even knew about the existence of the Cloud and Zack flashback.
There's at least an excuse for that one, as it was additional content added into the re-release.
Cloud was in SOLDIER tho, he was experimented on with Mako and made to join after the incident at Nibelheim. Cloud didn't just sit around as a grunt in the years between that and joining Avalanche.
He was fricked with in Nibelheim but Zack sprung him out before Hojo could do anything with him. Zack dressed Cloud in a spare SOLDIER uniform and he then spent the trip to Midgar doing his best impression of Timmy from South Park before coming to after Zack was shot, taking Zack's Buster Sword, and then stumbling into the city claiming to be Ex-SOLDIER before presumably running into Tifa who then recruited him into Avalanche.
Nah, he got the Mako treatment and all, but he left with Zack as soon as he escaped from Hojo's lab. They decided to become mercenaries (or Zack did anyway, Cloud wasn't all there) and then headed for Midgar.
This or
, either way it's plausible he could've seen him at some point
His name is legitimately "President"
First name President, Last name Shinra.
The line is fine.
Parasocial relationship from seeing him enough times and being a drug addled schizo. It's like when I go to porn conventions
>long time no see Jynx, last time I saw you, you were shoving a cupcake up your ass
the nip was likely this which is incredibly common and essentially used as long time no see, it's been a while, etc. It doesn't sound cringe in Japanese.
>ひさしぶりだな、プレジデント
Yup.
It's Cloud trying to be a cool wiseass. It's like saying "didn't expect to see you here" when the character did in fact expect to see them here. So he doesn't need to have seen the President before for this to make sense.
Okay let's just settle this, those who played Crisis Core, did Cloud ever meet the prez?
I played Crisis Core and don’t remember any scenes that even featured President Shinra. Regardless, he almost certainly knew who the President was and had probably seen him before on multiple occasions (but just never directly met him in person).
Is this really so hard for you guys to imagine without having it explicitly happen in the game? He was a fricking grunt in the President’s military— it’d be like joining the US Army and somehow not knowing who the US President is. And since Cloud decided to adopt the persona of one of the highest ranking members of their military, believing that he’d met the President before doesn’t seem far fetched at all.
No, it'd be like being in special forces and seeing a speech by the president.
Then years later when you get out, you see him and saying: "Long time, no see, Mr. Trump".
Then him looking at your special forces uniform and saying, "Ah, the deserter."
It makes no fricking sense from either of them.
Cloud thinks he’s Zack moron
Does the president think that Cloud is Zack too?
The president only recognizes the uniform and the spunky attitude. He’s too busy thinking up new ways to be a menace to mankind to bother with remembering his subordinates.
Except the president says "I can't be expected to REMEMBER each person's name."
Which means they met before.
…what? How does that imply that they’ve met before?
Are you moronic? That's what "remember" fricking means, you ESL shit head.
Bruh, in what fricking universe does the statement “I can’t be expected to remember each person’s name” automatically translate to ‘we’ve met before’? It’s an entirely ambiguous statement, as in maybe he met him or maybe not— he’s not sure because he’s a hotshot bigwig who can’t be arsed to remember every spikey-haired dickhead that isn’t his golden boy Sephiroth.
>That's what "remember" fricking means, you ESL shit head.
only ESLs like you think that english is dictated by what it says in the dictionary. despite using the word "remember", the president is actually saying that he doesn't remember at all!
This isn't even a dictionary thing. The president doesn't remember meeting him, and the ESL thinks the president is therefore affirming that they have necessarily met. You gotta get into the mindset of a moron to level with this guy
Are you two playing stupid or is this real?
If he didn't know Cloud he would have said "I can't be expect to KNOW each SOLDIER's name."
Instead he said 'remember'.
Jesus frick, were you home schooled?
If someone implies they know you in some way but you don't remember them then it's natural to take them at their word and just say you don't remember them.
Not necessarily. What you saideans essentially the same thing. Him meaning no one would ever try to inform him of every SOLDIERs name because he couldn't possibly remember them all is the same thing.
They both imply the same thing, which is that he isn’t sure if he’s met him before or not. Evidently you are ESL or you wouldn’t find this extraordinarily basic manner of speech to be such a conundrum.
Mate, saying I DON'T REMEMBER X is not the same thing as X NECESSARILY HAPPENED. If anything, having no recollection of X is evidence that X did not happen
not that this conversation is interesting in the slightest, but in the original japanese he uses the verb 覚える which carries more a connotation of recalling or memorizing. So he's apologizing for asking the name because he can't be fricked to memorize the names of all the SOLDIERs.
>すまないがソルジャーの名前なんていちいち覚えとらんのでな
This doesn't imply one way or the other whether or not he's met them. It could simply mean that he's seen all their names in a database but didn't memorize them.
いちいち is perhaps better translated as "every single", which makes it less ambiguous. The sentence is mostly about stressing how there's a lot of SOLDIERs that he doesn't care to distinguish between. I think the original english translation gets it across fine if you're not too ESL (I am slightly ESL)
Anon, it’s a goddamn anime-tier story in a videogame aimed at teenaged boys in the 90s. Suspension of disbelief is a bit of a necessity in order to sequence the events without giving yourself an aneurism.
And this
is basically all the explanation you need in order to make sense of it.
He doesn't call him a deserter even, look at the actual script
. He's just aware that an ex-SOLDIER is working for AVALANCHE. It makes sense he would've heard about that after the blew up the first reactor (even if it wasn't the truth).
No, the president isn't even in the game
>When did Cloud meet the president?
Cloud used to work for Shinra.
I used to be a navy seal, I never met any presidents.
Thank you for your service.
Do you have over 300 confirmed kills?
kek im literally just private security
i met the president of hitachi corp in california
he smiled to me and said thank you
the rest of the staff were horrible dickheads
he was surrounded by annoying people all talking to him at once "handlers"
Final Fantasy 7 is awful, only children who literally did not know better thought it was good
Cloud never met the president, he's just Copying Zack. However, President Shinra is Cloud's dad.
BIG IF TRUE
What a great theory— if this doesn’t stir the pot with fanboys the nothing else will.
Weren't all SOLDIERs Hojo's attempt to clone Sephiroth or did I just make that up? Not clone like genetic clone but clone like reproduce the same result, and the successes join SOLDIER while the failures are left to be the this guy are sick dude.
>Not clone like genetic clone but clone like reproduce the same result
Yes that's what a Sephiroth Clone means. They're all failures however because they didn't get the injections in the womb like Sephiroth did.
No, not quite. The process of making a SOLDIER and making a Sephiroth Copy is the same (injection of Jenova cells + showered in Mako), but the SOLDIER project predates the Sephiroth Copy project. The Sephiroth Copy project started after the Nibelheim incident, and its goal was not actually to produce another person as strong as Sephiroth, it was actually the opposite. Hojo wanted to use those who lost their sense of self from the injection/showering to prove his Reunion theory. So "Sephiroth Copy" is a pretty terrible name, but you know, Japan things.
I was thinking about replaying FF7, is the fan translation better than the official one?
>I don't remember it being this bad.
it's absolutely horrible. this game has no gameplay and the writing sucks too, easily the most overrated thing ever created