When did Pokemon become bad?

When did Pokemon become bad?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When you started playing it

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's generally agreed upon that /vp/ can never, and likely never WILL come to a consensus on when it became bad. This is partially because the drop off wasn't an IMMEDIATE one.
    For example, X and Y, a common "it's shit" point, is relatively okay, if not for the fact that it is generally forgettable and didn't really do a whole lot with its debut mechanics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dumb homosexual your opinion is whats shit. in the toilet

      https://i.imgur.com/NAf7ymg.png

      When did Pokemon become bad?

      never

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >become
    Always has been

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      TPBP, Pokemon has always been steaming hot dogshit and only blew up because of aggressive marketing.

      I could genuinely tell you more fondly of that ad where the guy puts the pokemon in a trash compactor than I could things I experienced in RBY.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ..and that's why you're here talking about Pokemon nearly 30 years latet

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 5

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 2

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen 1

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen 5
    Thankfully it became good in gen 6 again

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      XY is dogshit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no it isn’t

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes it is

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no it isn’t

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yes it is

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yes it is

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yes it is

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes it is

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no it isn’t

          yes it is

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no it isn’t

          yes it is

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes it is

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        no it isn't

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes it is

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        XY is just mediocre

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 2 made a lot of missteps, but had genuine improvements as well. Crystal was the turning point with more emphasis on story and tumbl characters like Eusine, even if those intrusions where limited yet.
    It really needed to innovate, but the break at gen 3 was probably too big. That was also the first time when it became obvious that Gamefreak is unable to keep pace with the current year console's technology.
    It became stale by gen 5. Nothing that came after it captured the charm of early Pokemon.
    So I'd say it became bad around gen 5~6 ish. The 3D did not help.
    >prbyy

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When game freak prioritizes CHARIZARD shilling over quality

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so gen 2

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LGPE

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pokemon design
    Gen 5
    >level design
    Gen 7
    >difficulty
    Gen 6
    >plot
    Gen 1
    >gameplay
    Gen 6
    >overall
    Gen 6

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a damn shame too, because they had the materials to work with to make a good game, but they fricked it up anyway.
      Pokemon has to be the most squandered IP of all time, and that's saying something given how it's also the best selling.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >difficulty
      >Gen 6
      thanks for admitting you're a moron

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks to you to be even more moronic to not understand that is relative to pokemon, and not that first five gens were actually difficult. With gen 6 series went form easy to braindead. So, it is now more suitable to your iq

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >With gen 6 series went form easy to braindead
          it was already braindead before

          now this is the part where you screech about me not handicapping myself on purpose while you conveniently can't just handicap yourself on purpose in gen 6 because it doesn't fit your narrative

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the moron doesn't realize gen 6 making a player have to handicap themselves EVEN MORE is what the crux of the issue is
            >uhhh gen 4 handicap is like wearing an eyepatch to make the game not easy
            >why are you complaining gen 6 makes you wear a full blindfold and also wear earplugs to make you both blind and deaf to make the game not easy. you were handicapped with an eyepatch before lolol
            illiterate moron like you can't understand this analogy anyways

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the moron doesn't realize gen 6 making a player have to handicap themselves EVEN MORE
              It doesn't make you do anything. If you want challenge you simply play PvP or battle facilities like usual.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I have to.....turn the off switch on the exp share? AHHHHHHHHHHHH I'M LOSING MY FRICKING MIND NOW IT'S SUDDENLY TOO MUCH HANDICAPPING I CAN'T TAKE IT
              yeah I totally believe you

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >>the moron doesn't realize gen 6 making a player have to handicap themselves EVEN MORE is what the crux of the issue is
              So by that logic you can apply this to gen 2. By using gen 2 mons, which are trash, instead of gen 1 mons, is the only way to make gen 2 not completely braindead.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Level design started sucking with gen 5 though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd argue it started sucking even earlier in Gen 4 with the dogshit encounter tables and padding maps with shitty HM obstacles that led to nothing but worthless items. At least Gen 7 doesn't make me want to kill myself from the game spamming Geodude at me the entire fricking time.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Gen 4 at least has decent exploration and options, but you are right that it isn't as good as 1-3. Gen 7 is the fricking worst though, i hate the renting mon garbage, i prefer HMs.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Gen 4 at least has decent exploration
            no it doesn't
            it has way too many roadblocks for that.

            my favorite is when you get rock climb to get past the rock climb roadblock on the first floor of Mt Coronet and then IMMEDIATELY after there's a fricking painting roadblock because the devs didn't want you to go into Mt Coronet slightly too early. The level design is trash.

            >i hate the renting mon garbage, i prefer HMs.
            yeah I love having to walk to the PC to pull out my lv2 bidoof that has cut because I need to change my Rotom's form. It adds so much immersion to the game.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just use Repel idiot

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >just ignore the pokenon in the pokemon game
            cool, now the game is just a shitty hallway walking simulator with no gameplay. Absolute peak right there.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              hi yawngay

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In gen 5 there were some actual cave or secret places for backtracking

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That was also in Gen 7.

          Thanks to you to be even more moronic to not understand that is relative to pokemon, and not that first five gens were actually difficult. With gen 6 series went form easy to braindead. So, it is now more suitable to your iq

          >that is relative to pokemon
          Yeah, and you’re still admitting you’re a moron because you somehow thought the difficulty was acceptable pre-Gen 6.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In gen 7 and onward are nothing else than hallways

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >pokemon design
      Gen 2
      >level design
      Gen 2
      >difficulty
      Gen 2
      >plot
      Gen 1
      >gameplay
      Gen 2
      >killed Pokemania
      Gen 2

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        9/11 killed pokemania. I’m 100% serious too I know because I lived through that time. People couldn’t just relax anymore the world watched the U.S. go to war and it was plastered all over the news 24/7 for 10+ years.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can't belive Bush hated Pokemon that much

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree with all of this except Gen 4 is when designs I outright despise start showing up, and Gen 5 is the beginning of boring as frick regions layouts.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      gen 1's plot is perfectly fine. Gen 2 barely has one. I'd say the point where the plots became truly bad (as in, they began to negativel affect your gaming experience) was gen 3. Dumb villains with dumb motivations and a terrible resolution.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Gen 2 killed it. Gen 3 brought it back. Look at the starters of three and two and tell me I'm lying.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          killed what? the plot? I just said gen 2 barely has one and I'd rather have a game with no plot than a bad one

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Killed the series. Gen 3 was a Phoenix rising from the flames for the series, which is funny considering that's what ho-oh is all about. That chicken c**t.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              this reads like you're baiting so I won't engage with you. It's too whiny and inflamatory a post otherwise

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I make a point you can't refute. So you reply with "you're whiny and inflammatory". What a candy ass.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't mind the Gen 3 story, it's cartoonish but I was willing to overlook that as a kid because the legendaries were cool. and these days it's just background noise.
        Gen 4's story is pretty much the same but done a little bit better.
        Gen 5 is where I first felt like the plot was negatively affecting the experience, it was trying way too hard to be an edgy JRPG story, but under the surface was the same Saturday morning cartoon plot as gen3/4. They thought they could make up for it with exposition dumps and cutscenes every 5 minutes, but all it did was make me more aware of how bad the writing is. at least in RSE, it's self aware that it's a cartoon plot and didn't try to be anything more than that, and it wasn't as intrusive

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah I can see your point. I guess I played gen 3 at an older age than most and couldn't stop thinking "these people are all idiots" through the entire game but I can see how it would only be a problem for some at gen 5 wher there are noticeably more cutscenes interrupting the flow, even if I do think the plot and characters themselves are an improvement

          I make a point you can't refute. So you reply with "you're whiny and inflammatory". What a candy ass.

          take a deep breath before posting next time

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Take a deep breath of my butthole

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Main Game and Region: Gen 5
    Multiplayer: Gen 7

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    LGBT

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Objectively, Gen 8, since it violated GOTTA CATCH EM ALL with dexit.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The games I like are good and the games you like are bad. If you disagree you’re a Black person/homosexual/troony/etc. I have summed up discourse on /vp/, you’re welcome, now have a nice day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thx

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    XY was more disappointing than "bad" but ORAS is when I gave up. When Ohmori got promoted is when I realized it is actually a comedy

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen 4 killed the franchise. 3 was mid

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ever was bad compared to other games
    >But old games were good
    Not they weren't

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Always was bad the thing is concept was nice and appealing but the games always were mediocre and boring and gf are shit developers and the franchise is a merchandise slop

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 8 is the point of no return.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are bad because they refute grow up and keep making the same toddler game the last dlc about peacharunt was the worst thing in any game even kids find it stupid and cringe

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i legitimately believe that SW/SH is when it became truly bad. i don't just mean bad as in gameplay-wise, but what they promised us and then fell back on, and then proceeded to keep fricking doing
    >dexcut for "high quality animations"
    is the main thing, but once again -- everything moves like a fricking robot. everything honestly was the exact fricking same as the generation before it, down to even the fricking story beats.
    there was nothing high-quality for the pokemon, nor for the humans they REALLY wanna keep hammering in your face for some reason.
    now had they gone out the gate with something like legends arceus's animations that have actual cutscenes and are even assed to have your pokemon ninja teleport to the opponent and use a physical move, including those cinematic slowdowns for impact, i could understand the "animation" bit. maybe not high-quality, but there was easily more effort put in legends than SW/SH and you can't tell me otherwise
    X/Y were okay games because it was GF's first foray into 3D that didn't involve porting models nor getting the Dragon Quest people to do it, and at the time, they actually modeled every single fricking mon

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >nobody gave the correct answer
    ORAS

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ORAS was peak

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, I did hate how they removed the Battle Frontier and replaced it with a drastically worse facility while also handing you legendaries for free

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ORAS, the gen 3 remake, not having the Battle Frontier, and instead copy pasting XY’s shitty facilities, is fine because BW2 has more content

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >BW2 has more content
          where

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            right here *unzips penis*

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It bloated Unova with KANTOOOOOOOOOO Pokémon to pander to Genwunners who whined about Unova having an identity of its own in BW, that’s apparently considered “content”

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      See

      XY was more disappointing than "bad" but ORAS is when I gave up. When Ohmori got promoted is when I realized it is actually a comedy

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When sprites became 3d models.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every even gen with 8 being the final nail in the coffin, though 5 and 7 were far from perfect.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen 3 objectively

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen 1 objectively

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    when you grow up and notice the franchise is not for you anymore

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2020 because that's when yawngay joined this board tbh.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he was here before that. dexcut turned him into a serial shitposter

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nope. He's a newbie loser homosexual, the type to get banned from every other forums. He only came to Ganker because he got banned from every other social media already. Whereas real /vp/ users are on Ganker bcause it's unique and comfy, not because we're forced to be here. He hates this place and he hates everyone here.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen 5

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen 2

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    BW is when the design philosophy changed and the games stopped being strict improvements on each other
    SM is when the games began actively regressing from prior entries
    SwSh is where the games became entirely and inarguably bad

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I would agree with this, there was a gradual decline from BW - SM, with Swsh being the point of no return. While the 3ds era was very flawed, I still had some optimism that it was just a rough patch and could turn around. In the Switch era, I've run out of hope that the franchise will ever appeal to me again.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > When did Pokemon become bad?
    Gen 6

    btw it makes no sense to delete this post for “instigating genwars” when the question OP is asking and the entire point of the thread instigates genwars, moron janny.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's interesting how it only seems to count as "genwars" when gen 5 or maybe gen 4 is criticized, but shitting on everything else is perfectly fine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >gen 5
        Probably because they've been shitposting about it for far longer than anyone else. Gen 2 posts also get deleted sometimes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >some autistic gen6er made this
      Why does unova cause so much seethe?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        nobody likes america, unova is the pokemon world equivalent

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gen 1: glitchy broken mess
    >Gen 2: Gen 1.5
    >Gen 3: first dexit, graphically and mechanically unimpressive compared to other games on the system
    >Gen 4: slow clunky slog, does not take advantage of the hardware
    >Gen 5: linear and boring, ugly art design
    >Gen 6: uncreative and boring, lazy art design
    >Gen 7: linear and slow and filled with annoying gameplay elements
    >Gen 8: dexit, does not take advantage of hardware capabilities, ancient uninspired gameplay design
    >Gen 9: glitchy broken mess, does not take advantage of hardware capabilities, ancient uninspired gameplay design

    Pokemon was never good

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    XY

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 6

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When Lucario happened.
    any other answer is cope

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 5. Gen 4 was already mid but Gen 5 was when classic canon Pokémon ended and troony fanfic tier nu-Pokémon started.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gen5 bad because uhh I couldn't use Pidgy in route 1 like in Kalos and Johto 🙁

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dexcut with SS is a pretty massive line in the sand.
    Coming off of a game packed with so much content into something that doesn't even have half the roster without later dlc and with much less to do, it was just the end.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gen6 bad because uhh GF didn't sell the game to me again 🙁

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Gen6 is actually finished on the first try instead of needing to be resold as a lazy rehash
      >this is somehow bad according to /vp/

      Except Gamefreak dropped Pokemon Grey to rush BW2 to sell more copies.

      Kyurem's story is unfinished
      the last areas are empty
      the post-game is half-assed with little to do

      BW and BW2 are incomplete and only exists to sell Lucario

      >Pokemon Z
      what an absolute moron
      http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-director-explains-why-series-is-becoming-e/1100-6422945/

      Z was never in plans

      parroting is an admission of defeat

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gen5 gets complete games with an actual sequel instead of cashgrab 3rd version
    >this is somehow bad according to /vp/

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 5 had terrible maps, the worst generation of new pokemon ever conceived (seriously, gen 5 mons have the worst ratio of good to bad designs of any gen), it stopped you every 10 feet to shove its boring and worthless attempt at "deep" plot down your throat, it forced you catch Legendaries and use them for the plot, it was just a souless husk of a game from start to finish.

      Gen 6 sucked, but it was still better than gen 5. Everything after Gen 3 was a mistake.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You write like a seething Johtoddler. Don't larp as a Hoenngay.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >subjective discord meme opinions
        opinion discarded and void

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >subjective discord meme opinions
          just like all the “”critiques”” against XY

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gen6 is actually finished on the first try instead of needing to be resold as a lazy rehash
    >this is somehow bad according to /vp/

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Except Gamefreak dropped Pokemon Z to rush Sun and Moon for Pokemon anniversary.

    Zygarde's story is unfinished
    the last areas are empty
    the post-game is half-assed with little to do

    X/Y is incomplete and only exists to sell Mega Charizard X

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Pokemon Z
      what an absolute moron
      http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pokemon-director-explains-why-series-is-becoming-e/1100-6422945/

      Z was never in plans

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Pokemon Grey
        what an absolute moron
        https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/pokemon-grey-remakes/

        Grey was never in plans

        Except Gamefreak dropped Pokemon Grey to rush BW2 to sell more copies.

        Kyurem's story is unfinished
        the last areas are empty
        the post-game is half-assed with little to do

        BW and BW2 are incomplete and only exists to sell Lucario

        Except Gamefreak dropped Pokemon Z to rush Sun and Moon for Pokemon anniversary.

        Zygarde's story is unfinished
        the last areas are empty
        the post-game is half-assed with little to do

        X/Y is incomplete and only exists to sell Mega Charizard X

        Very funny you fricking fricks

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Except Gamefreak dropped Pokemon Grey to rush BW2 to sell more copies.

    Kyurem's story is unfinished
    the last areas are empty
    the post-game is half-assed with little to do

    BW and BW2 are incomplete and only exists to sell Lucario

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Pokemon Grey
      what an absolute moron
      https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/pokemon-grey-remakes/

      Grey was never in plans

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't enjoyed pokemon this much in years. It's even better because the gaygiest elements of the "community" are all leaving.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have you considered logging off and actually playing the games?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What do you think "enjoying pokemon" means? You're not so mindbroken that you think that means porn and genwars, are you?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tell me how "people b***h on social media" makes "actually playing the fricking games" worse.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ctr f "people b***h on social media"
            >one result
            >your post
            I'm not sure, you tell me

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What could "the community" actually mean here? It's a mystery.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So because there's fewer annoying homosexuals online playing Pokemon, I need to log off and play a game that I already play on a regular basis? What point are you trying to make, you moronic pedophile?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, log off. All you get from people playing the game is more opponents in ranked. You can't really interact with them in any way outside of that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for the important wisdom, person who wants to frick girls under the age of 14

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >THEY DIDN'T SELL ME A $40 IDENTICAL GAME WHERE ZYGARDE IS IRRELEVANT THE ENTIRE GAME EXCEPT FOR A 30 SECOND CUTSCENE IN THE CLIMAX WITH THE SHITTY CLOWN EVIL TEAM? AIEEEEE THE STORY IS UNFINISHED

    the way gf psyopped people into thinking 3rd versions are good is fricking genius.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The base versions of pokemon are often incomplete and dogshit, it takes the third version to actually fix the issue.
      Now nothing gets fixed, we just get vgc paywalls.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If XY was literally identical but Zygarde was on the box you would be claiming it’s the peak of the series. 3rdversiontards have no standards.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Play DP then Platinum then come back and try to say that shit with a straight face.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Platinum is le peak because it has faster battle speed and a bigger dex
            >but XY which has even faster battle speed than Platinum and an even bigger dex than Platinum? Nah that’s le bad because it’s not a regurgitated scam rehash
            You have no standards.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Platinum actually has an actual postgame and I don’t just expect old improvements to be features worth praising

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Platinum actually has an actual postgame
                you're right, XY would've been better if they made the encounter tables dogshit for 90% of the game but then made the rest of the encounters locked to a random island and some gimmicks that can only be accessed after the credits

                >I don’t just expect old improvements to be features worth praising
                I don't find releasing a shitty game then releasing a slightly less shitty game worth praising

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Meds platinum was better than DP and XY has no postgame

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >XY has no postgame
                you're right, XY is well designed and doesn't lock a bunch of its content to after the credits for literally no benefit.

                >XY would've been better if they made the encounter tables dogshit for 90% of the game but then made the rest of the encounters locked to a random island
                Platinum fixed that exact same problem DP had, if anything a hpothetical Z would have made AZ and Lysandre more prominent, let you enter the power plant, and have a fricking proper battle frontier while tying Zygarde to the plot and making him as relevant and beloved as Emerald did for Rayquaza, or Platinum for Girtatina. For me also ultra necrozma but I don't expect positives to be said about Alola any time soon from the average fan.

                >Platinum fixed that exact same problem DP had
                no, it didn't, all it did was make the problem slightly less bad. Platinum's encounter tables are still complete shit.
                >if anything a hpothetical Z would have made AZ and Lysandre more prominent
                for what purpose
                >let you enter the power plant
                for what purpose
                >and have a fricking proper battle frontier
                XY already has plenty of battle facilities that morons like don't even play.
                >while tying Zygarde to the plot
                for what purpose
                >and making him as relevant and beloved as Emerald did for Rayquaza
                try actually replaying Emerald and you'll notice that Rayquaza has virtually no relevance the entire fricking game. Zygarde unironically has more story relevance in SM than Rayquaza does in Emerald.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY COPIUM THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF KALOSSPERMS

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rayquaza stops Groudon and Kyogre. Zygarde isn't part of SM's story, it's an optional sidequest

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Zygarde isn't part of SM's story, it's a part of SM's story

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Being optional means it has no bearing on the man story. The story plays out the same with or without Zygarde.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >being part of the story means it has no bearing on the story

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                SM's story plays out exactly the same with or without the Zygarde sidequest

                It's purely optional and not part of the story, it's just a way to obtain Zygarde's new forms

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >SM's story plays out exactly the same with or without the Zygarde sidequest
                no it doesn't
                Starting the Zygarde side quest is mandatory.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, but actually doing it is optional.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >XY would've been better if they made the encounter tables dogshit for 90% of the game but then made the rest of the encounters locked to a random island
                Platinum fixed that exact same problem DP had, if anything a hpothetical Z would have made AZ and Lysandre more prominent, let you enter the power plant, and have a fricking proper battle frontier while tying Zygarde to the plot and making him as relevant and beloved as Emerald did for Rayquaza, or Platinum for Girtatina. For me also ultra necrozma but I don't expect positives to be said about Alola any time soon from the average fan.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Platinum also has a fixed story, made Cyrus relevant, and revamped trainers.
              Remember how in shit it was in ORAS that Tate and Liza had only 2 mons? That's from Ruby and Saphire which barely used the very double battles they introduced. So Emerald made doubles a lot more prominent.
              You don't get any of this from the modern dlc.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA but 3 editions fix the problems of the original
          Yeah it’s scummy but you get a good game out of it and it’s great for people who didn’t bite the first time

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >see BW/2 cheap online
    >they arrive
    >it's roms on flashcarts

  49. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen 8

  50. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 9

  51. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen 3
    this is factual
    anyone who posts below me is a Black person homosexual

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The person above me is a Black person homosexual.

  52. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    last digit is the gen that killed pokemon and is for Black person homosexuals

  53. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    im not saying gen 5 is bad but lot of bad things started here

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Jynx
      >Brock
      >most of the gen 2 brown NPCs
      It started with the old gen and the poser gen.

  54. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pokemon was always a terrible game. We like the idea of it, not the actual product.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this they cope old games were good
      lol the are the same crap but in 2d, this fanabse is full of nostlgiashit too there are people defending swsh now, sad

  55. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    R/S

    Up until G/S, they were making the game due to passion. G/S was the end of the series and after that you can tell they were just making shit up because they had to, not because they wanted to.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Masuda already had everything up to Diamond/Pearl planned

      >“After Gold and Silver came out, it was a huge hit around the world, but shortly after everyone was saying, ‘That’s it. The Pokémon fad is over! It’s dead!’ It was a very stressful project, for sure. When we were first developing it, I had the idea in mind that it would be Ruby and Sapphire, and then the next games, including the titles, would be Diamond and Pearl, and in between we would do the remakes, FireRed and LeafGreen, so we could create this structure where you could take the Pokémon from the Kanto region to the Diamond and Pearl games.”

      >“At the time, the atmosphere and general thinking was that the Pokémon fad was over and there was huge pressure to prove people wrong. The next time I visited it was all Star Wars. Everyone was saying it was on a downtrend, the fad’s over and I really felt that pressure to make something amazing.”

      >“I got really stressed out and had to go to the hospital and had some stomach issues and had to get a camera inserted and they didn’t know what it was – very stressful. The night before release I had a dream that it was a complete failure, a total nightmare.”

      >“We at Game Freak took that as a challenge and said, ‘It’s not dead. We’re going to show you guys you’re wrong!’ The morning after, the day of release, I went into the local shop and saw people lining up to buy it and was extremely relieved. It was close. Super scary at the time.”

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >everything
        Maybe the names and the """plot""". But that's not really the important bits.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >making shit up because they had to
      That's gen 2 in a nutshell though. They had to capitalize on Pokemania but failed to do so.

  56. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 1-3, Gen 6, Let's Go to Gen 9, pretty simple.

  57. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When palworld born and showed Pokemon is shit even palworld fixed old designs

  58. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    XY although I also argue bw1 are garbage. literally everything else is compromise after compromise

  59. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=10039297

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  60. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 6 but Dexit killed Pokémon for real

  61. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was never bad. You just grew out of Pokemon and/or became jaded.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cope and a lie.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually, it was always bad. I'm just here for the Pokegirls.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        uh huh

  62. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    for me it's as soon as it came to the switch

  63. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gen 1 rival is an arrogant yet talented battler
    >Gen 2 rival is a misunderstood loner
    >Gen 3 rival is your impatient best friend
    >Gen 4 rival is your best friend
    >Gen 5 rivals are your best friend uwu
    >Gen 6 rival is your best friend uwu
    >Gen 7 rival is your best friend uwu
    >Gen 8 rival is your best friend uwu
    >Gen 9 rival is your best friend uwu

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So gen 2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gen 3 remakes made your rival a lovey-dovey
      couple. Gen 5 made your rivals actual characters.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lisia won, not sorry. May still single and childless at 30.

  64. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 5 was terrible on launch because the base black and white games had a ton of pacing issues and were just kinda boring. But then came B&W2 and they were pretty damn good, so it was saved.
    Gen 6 is kinda bad with its only saving grace being the community at the time and mega evolutions. Also has the most forgettable cast in the franchise. And I guess the trend of making everything stupid easy started here as well. ORAS was great, though.
    Gen 7 was just good imo, but it was around this time started getting hysterical over pointless bullshit. At worst it had some weird design decisions like the handholding with the cutscenes and the ultra beasts, but that's it. Maybe too easy?
    Gen 8, however, was quite bad. Most of its mechanics are undercooked, the visuals looked off most of the time, the visuals looked off and outright broken at places and the story is bad even for pokemon standards. However, the Crown Tundra DLC unironically fixed almost everything. It is a really good experience and it's kind of a shame that most people never got to see it because of the bad base game. I didnt play the Legends game but the Sinnoh remakes are completely souless.
    Gen 9 I'm still playing but so far it's actually kinda decent. It's main issue is that it is absolutely crippled for performance even after they clearly tried extracting the most they could with the traditional methods of reducing asset density, LODs and things like that. If they want more performance they need to look deeper into the engine or go for newer hardware.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How does a DLC fix all the problems if DLC is usually just 10~ hours of extra nonsense with no substance? What the frick is up with dynamax?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >However, the Crown Tundra DLC unironically fixed almost everything
      No it fricking didn't

  65. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen 8 obviously

  66. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen 8

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This picture is the answer I have been hunting for the last 3 days. Thank you.

  67. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ORAS, but thankfully they've gotten better soon

  68. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    b
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  69. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 4, probably.
    >blatantly unfinished just listening to the music
    >was supposed to be faster, due to incompetence and rushed programming ends up the slowest games to date instead
    >phys/special split marking the end of any meaningful balance
    >literally just Hoenn’s progression with worse region design
    >DP unfinished with the worst dex in history
    >started the furry shillmon trend
    >Gamefreak admitted this was when they started trying to make the games easier
    >overmarketing just drew in a ton of NDSbabbies who complained about Mt Coronet and Cynthia, which told Gamefreak to double down on making the games even easier than before
    >story is just Hoenn again but replace “muh land/muh water” with “muh new world”

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      unfinished just listening to the music
      filtered
      fair points on the others even if I do like gen 4, but the music is goated

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      split marking the end of any meaningful balance
      pokemon was never balanced

  70. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen 9. Every other game has redeeming features but Gen 9 doesn't even work.

  71. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The switch to 3d hurt the series but game freak's inability to make an hd game look good, ie the transition to the switch, was the nail in the coffin

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > The switch to 3d hurt the series
      how

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it is self-evident

  72. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When it went 3D.

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