Where do I even BEGIN to learn Japanese for games?

Where do I even BEGIN to learn Japanese for games?
And is learning the hardest language in the world even worth the Japanese-exclusive games that become accessible to me?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You don't, you just wait and let the AI do the job.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I started learning this week. First learn Japanese alphabets, Hiragatana AND Katakana. It's pretty easy, you'll learn the symbols. After that just start memorizing individual Kanji.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's a fricking guide in DJT, moron.

    JP exclusive games are fun, but the list gets smaller every year. What's better is playing all those games you THOUGHT you played 20 years ago properly.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sauce? I know nip so I can play it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Check it out, I'm in the house like carpet

      SantafulSummer
      Took me 2 seconds by searching "vndb nikoru"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Arigatou, but you shouldn't have spoonfed him, just said "google her name + vndb". That'd have been a very pedagogical lesson relevant to the topic

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >first off learn hiragana and katakana
    >get a beginners textbook and work through it
    >anki word deck like core 2k
    >somewhere through with the core vocab start reading stuff like slice of life manga depending on how much stuff you can stand to lookup
    It's going to take hundreds of hours to achieve a basic level, so if it's worth it depends entirely on if you enjoy the learning process. But there is no harm in starting and dropping it if turns out it's not for you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This anon was right with his first point, start simple and just learn kana, and maybe at best start picking up some basic vocab from a dictionary or textbook. But he missed one very important thing: YOU MUST WRITE. If you want to learn Japanese effectively, WRITE MORE. Write the kana you're trying to memorize. Write new words as you learn them. When you start to learn kanji, learn about stroke order and write them to practice. This is literally the best way to commit the language to memory.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tell me more about stroke order, I have a shitty writing tablet I do to remember kanji, but I just write it as I see it, and highlight radicals that I know of. Whats the point of stroke order exactly, since I keep hearing people swear its important, yet never fully elaborate

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Eh writing kanji is good memory practice but honestly learning to hand write every single one is a massive time sink unless you got a practical reason for it.

        tell me more about stroke order, I have a shitty writing tablet I do to remember kanji, but I just write it as I see it, and highlight radicals that I know of. Whats the point of stroke order exactly, since I keep hearing people swear its important, yet never fully elaborate

        Basically stroke order acts as a memonic device to help you remember how to draw a character. With how many kanji there are just randomly writing strokes would make it impossible to learn. Look at the characters in a dictionary it will typically feature a drawing that indicates what order you should draw it in. They tend to follow some basic patterns like top to bottom, left to right, fill boxes before completing them etc, you'll notice ut as you go.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think the idea is that you’re active using the kanji instead of passively absorbing their shapes.
          It’s not like you need to learn how to write every single kanji anyways. Once you get the hang of the strokes order, you could write mos kanji on your own.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Writing is what filtered me from Chinese (I'm Chinese btw). Teachers in Chinese school would always have us write new words 10 times... 50 times... 100 times... and I'd always just forget how within a month. I'm pretty sure my parents have mostly forgotten how to write and can only read/speak/type. I was bottom of my class in writing though, so perhaps if you're not an idiot like me then writing will work for you. I'm only N2 though, so take this with a grain of salt.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You start by not playing games, but reading light novels and shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >vertical text
      that looks absolutely horrid holy shit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My妹 魔女の林檎?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        she's Finnish ei vittu

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you really want to learn Japanese for a handful of games? It'll require years of work, listening, writing and speaking practice and the language itself has lots of little bits you need to remember. You need to be really dedicated to get anywhere with it. Is it all worth it, for some videogames you don't like the English script of? It's something worth considering, because will you even like these visual novels/JRPGs 5 years from now? If you love JP culture and want to immerse yourself in it, then I'd say it'll be much easier to do, but just for videogames? Eh. Also for frick sake: learnjapanese dot moe/guide/

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What vn?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Where do I even BEGIN to learn Japanese for games?
    https://learnjapanese.moe/routine/
    a routine for if you need structure
    or pick resources from here https://sites.google.com/view/jo-mako/resources/resources-list
    to learn
    >kana
    >vocab
    >grammar

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have finished 100 days of anki reps

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ドーシマショウ
    Who the FRICK writes like this.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Learn kana
    Then just grind vocab while listening to vtubers

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly this is the single best kana learning tool out there
    https://djtguide.github.io/learn/kana.html
    The ability to use more than one font is stupidly effective in actually learning the kana

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >OP

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can smell this man

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But can you smell ants?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, ants have a distinct smell when you crush them for invading your abode

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i didnt start learning until i uninstalled anki and just started playing games with dictionary open.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hardest language in the world
    I think that’s probably Chinese.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm at a point where I'm starting to gather enough vocabulary and have enough grammar/general knowledge to be able to actually read stuff
    The biggest hurdle for me right now is finding stuff that I'm actually interested with at this level
    I start reading generic moe/slice of life stuff but 9 times out of 10 it's so boring I can't keep going, if I pick something outside of that scope I'm completely destroyed. Not that I mind more and slice of life slop but I think I've just been unlucky with what I've been picking.

    If anyone has any recommendations for anything beginner friendly I'll take them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Consider actual books

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's where I've been wanting to delve into somewhat but I know nothing of the book side of things

        Give KKK a try!
        https://vndb.org/v5844

        seems cool! will do

        3ds version of ocarina of time that I [...]
        can personally recommend
        only annoying part is that theres a handful of cutscenes with text that automatically advances but thats my only grievance
        and also need you bind touchpad inputs to buttons if you emulate

        I have a 3ds myself so I can play on that, how's the text density overall?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >how's the text density overall?
          I'm unsure how to properly answer this
          this is a japanese text dump of the game https://www.zeldalegends.net/view/emulation/dumps/zelda64/japan/z64dump(jp).html and all this text is spread through around 30 hours
          there is almost always SOMETHING to read whether it be a sign, talking to an npc, interacting with stuff, and cutscenes can be pretty dialogue heavy (MOST of them the dialogue moves at your pace but there is some where its automatic like I mentioned)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            was just wondering since I never thought of a zelda game from a reading standpoint, that actually sounds very cozy, thanks for sharing the text dump too

            >seems cool! will do
            Anon, no! It's filled with pic related.
            Anyway it's hard to recommend something without knowing your tastes, but here's the VN's I've recently finished even though I'm a complete beginner.
            >Wagahime
            https://vndb.org/v29057
            Fantasy adventure. Writer of Majikoi. (If you haven't read that, then I recommend Majikoi first, though it's not necessary for this one, it's just a good VN.) Comedy with action and lots of side characters. Has 3 main routes, knight princess in the kingdom, elven priestess in the forest and demon lord onee-san on the island of demons.
            >Nukitashi
            https://vndb.org/v22899
            Spy flick type comedy in modern times on an island, with a lot and I mean a shitload of sex jokes. Like nearly all the content is a sort of parody of nukiges and japanese porn in general. I found it hilarious since I'm a degenerate and the characters are great. It also has some nice serious moments.
            >Kami-sama no You na Kimi e
            https://vndb.org/v22899
            Sci-fi romance story set in the future where humanity leaves most of their decisions and management to a supercomputer. The art is amazing and it honestly does cyberpunk better than the cyberpunk game if you ask me. The routes have some very interesting black mirror type situations.
            >Re Cation Melty Healing
            https://vndb.org/v27456
            This one is pure is 100% self-indulgent pandering. An IT worker gets relocated to a new city for his new job, and he gets to choose between dating the landlord older lady who likes doing DIY renovations, his OL coworker who secretly streams games or a college girl from his local convenience store with a smell fetish. You end up in a relationship after doing too much overtime and showing a moment of weakness to one of those girls. Great if you want to live out that japanese salaryman fantasy.

            I don't even know how to even begin deciphering that lmao, I'll still bookmark it for later though
            Honestly I don't have a particular taste I'm going after or anything right now, I just want something I can get mileage off that reads better than wall paper and all the lists for beginners online recommend the same boring stuff.
            Thanks for the list anon I'll check them out!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >seems cool! will do
          Anon, no! It's filled with pic related.
          Anyway it's hard to recommend something without knowing your tastes, but here's the VN's I've recently finished even though I'm a complete beginner.
          >Wagahime
          https://vndb.org/v29057
          Fantasy adventure. Writer of Majikoi. (If you haven't read that, then I recommend Majikoi first, though it's not necessary for this one, it's just a good VN.) Comedy with action and lots of side characters. Has 3 main routes, knight princess in the kingdom, elven priestess in the forest and demon lord onee-san on the island of demons.
          >Nukitashi
          https://vndb.org/v22899
          Spy flick type comedy in modern times on an island, with a lot and I mean a shitload of sex jokes. Like nearly all the content is a sort of parody of nukiges and japanese porn in general. I found it hilarious since I'm a degenerate and the characters are great. It also has some nice serious moments.
          >Kami-sama no You na Kimi e
          https://vndb.org/v22899
          Sci-fi romance story set in the future where humanity leaves most of their decisions and management to a supercomputer. The art is amazing and it honestly does cyberpunk better than the cyberpunk game if you ask me. The routes have some very interesting black mirror type situations.
          >Re Cation Melty Healing
          https://vndb.org/v27456
          This one is pure is 100% self-indulgent pandering. An IT worker gets relocated to a new city for his new job, and he gets to choose between dating the landlord older lady who likes doing DIY renovations, his OL coworker who secretly streams games or a college girl from his local convenience store with a smell fetish. You end up in a relationship after doing too much overtime and showing a moment of weakness to one of those girls. Great if you want to live out that japanese salaryman fantasy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Give KKK a try!
      https://vndb.org/v5844

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      3ds version of ocarina of time that I

      I have finished 100 days of anki reps

      can personally recommend
      only annoying part is that theres a handful of cutscenes with text that automatically advances but thats my only grievance
      and also need you bind touchpad inputs to buttons if you emulate

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ayakashi, the one by crossnet. Very straightforward read, but it sucked me right in and I read all of it plus FD in a short time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Try re-reading raws of stuff you've read before and enjoyed.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Where do I even BEGIN to learn Japanese
    Why is this such a common problem? Is that an EOP thing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People want stuffs without the effort to actually gain stuffs. A zoomer thing, methinks.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I kick myself in the butt constantly for not using Covid to start learning. There was literally nothing else to do, it was the perfect opportunity.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God, there's nothing sadder than normalgays. Nothing is stopping you from starting something today, homosexual.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        seconding this
        normalgays are so fricking pathetic, if you have time to shitpost here you have time to learn

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Always a good time to start. I've been kicking myself over not starting 15 years ago when they cancelled the subject in my high school.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I learned a bit while wagecucking before the flu, and when it started I had the perfect Jap reading requirements to neckbeard it up during quarantine. It was glorious

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Japanese grammar fricks me up
    More difficult than kanji and few people seem to mention this
    N4 kanji are sometimes tricky but still distinct enough for the most part
    N4 grammar is rocket science

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's a student group at my university which does Japanese lessons. Gonna try to learn the basic shit over the summer then check out the group when the new term starts if I want to stick with it.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For just the games? No, not worth it.
    If you wanna learn it anyway, most of the resources mentioned in this thread are helpful, like Anki and stuff, but you really should be buying a physical textbook for a more varied and structured learning experience. They'll help you get various grammatical forms in your head, which is just as if not more important than just blindly jamming vocabulary into your head. Try something like the "Minna no nihongo" books for beginner-level learners if you're interested.

    Also do not fall into the trap of learning how to write kanji. It's precious time wasted that you could've spend on learning more useful things. I'm N1 and near-fluent in conversation, but I can't write any kanji more complicated than 使. The important thing is being able to read them, not being able to write them.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hardest language in the world
    This is what weebs actually believe lmao

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw been living and working in japan for 8 years
    >no foreign friends
    >all my coworkers and friends are japanese
    >nobody speaks english
    >do all my work in japanese
    >live my everyday life in japanese
    >still can't read a newspaper let alone a book
    meh

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How do I become you anon?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not him but
        >Hear a new word
        >Look it up with kana or just ask about it
        >Just learn it's meaning without bothering with writing
        ezy

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I meant how do I get a job in japan for 8 years despite no japanese skills.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Become an English teacher
            Pay will be shit but speaking Japanese is largely optional

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tell me anons, why is furigana not a mandatory standard for literally everything in Japan. How can the Japanese deal with coming across uncommon Kanji and not even being able to read their own text?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      japanese has the 2000 or so basic kanji which are considered to be the basics for literacy, anything besides those could be considered as "you know fancy words"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >walking around in bizarro world
      >suddenly see a sign that has a word I don't know
      >petition the government to add a note to it that explains the meaning and a QR Code that has an audio file with the correct pronunciation, instead of looking it up

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Kana is phonetic bro, there's no wrong way to pronounce Japanese words, there's only 1 correct way. It wouldn't even be that hard for IME to incorporate furigana into their database and text. The correct answer as to why it's not standard is because Kanji have multiple readings.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      most kanji are simple and extremely consistent and you can guess the meaning if you see a new word you don't know but know the composing kanji of
      bullshit like 今 and 空 that seem to have a new reading on every new word they appear are extremely rare

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The japanese writing system is inferior to the latin letters and you can't change my mind.
    The US should have gone through with the romajification of Japan post WW2.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      From a convenience point of view, I agree.
      But you know the stereotype how asians are good at math? Or the meme about asian art jeans? It's my theory that being taught from a young age that complicated writing system helps with that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Language shaping your way of thinking is totally a thing, this is why corpo interests keep trying to degrade english.
        Not like westoids need help to be even stupider than they were yesterday, but you get the idea.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      only low IQ monkeys that can't learn kanji think like this, kanji are far more efficient at getting meaning across when actually reading and when speaking pitch accent tells you which word is what

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's absolutely not worth it. For 90% of people being a weeb is just a phase and for 99.999% eroge enthusiasts drop off after a couple dozen VNs. Especially if you're into moege and whatnot, if you've read 10 moege, and the top 20 VNs, you've pretty much experienced everything the medium has to offer. Everything else gets translated quick as frick these days. Even Shiravune shits out eroge often these days.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. I stopped taking the opinions of JOPs seriously after lording Muramasa as kamige of all kamiges then it finally gets translated and it's a fricking 7/10 moral relativity chuunifest. JOPs are mentally ill and probably one bad day away from shooting up a school.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. I stopped taking the opinions of JOPs seriously after lording Muramasa as kamige of all kamiges then it finally gets translated and it's a fricking 7/10 moral relativity chuunifest. JOPs are mentally ill and probably one bad day away from shooting up a school.

      >i will judge things by a dogshit troonylation as an excuse to not put in any effort
      normalgays are mentally ill underachievers

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Japanese isn't even top 3 hardest languages in its ethnosphere

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ??? then what is

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    good luck everyone

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thank you sora

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Read the DJT guide, and start immersing.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "the djt guide" as if there aren't 2 concurrent threads across 2 boards that keep rotating guides to shill their own

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        unironically that's just the t*tsu spammer shilling his asiatic psyop guide specifically made to confuse learners and make them quit

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://mega.nz/folder/OAYmVBAD#aDrHQTRfKoqWYYZFP2-N9w

    the only material you'll need, the .txt file has all the info, other online guides are snake oil
    Source: friend, just trust me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >asiatic kim.
      >Twice the work to RTK and still be unable to read.
      What a fricking joke.

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