Eh trim the fat off both of them and I say they're both the same. I really prefer Super Saiyan 4 over LE GOD... MODE! LE... ULTRA INSTINCT MODE???!!! IT'S JUST LE... DIFFERENT HAIR COLOR SO COOL!!!!
Lazy and shit
The Broly thing does make sense though. He IS the Legendary Saiyan. Literally supposed to be the one of a kind, freak of nature that only occurs once a millennia yada yada. The DBZ equivalent of World Breaker Hulk. So him going toe to toe with god level powers does make sense, the tradeoff was he cant control his power when in that state
As for the rest of Super, ya got me there. Shit really is just fanfic tier level of writing. It's almost bad to even call it fanfic because at least fans give a shit about the story versus the official release. Super really is just a meme with a budget they even made Gohan Blanco realmy sides still hurt
None of the post really makes any sense.
I mean, most of it concerns power and how Goku and Vegeta should be the strongest beings but that's also the beauty of a multiverse, existing rules and power scaling no longer matter, there could be other races as powerful and adaptive as saiyans in other universes.
Not to mention if Goku and Vegeta can train with God's and angels what's stopping others?
That's the main crux of the argument but funniest part is everything he had to make up like Krillin giving Goku "trouble" in Blue.
Saying that is the equivalent of saying Super 17 is as weak as Kid Goku or that Kid Buu was the strongest form of Buu.
>what's stopping others?
they probably did that to leave it open for it to happen >he had to make up like Krillin giving Goku "trouble" in Blue.
Because Super is a meme. Another example was Trunks fighting Zamasu. He got his ass handed to him and Vegito Blue could barely keep up with him but then ( and all because Trunks got angry ) he was suddenly able to overpower Zamasu. SSJ2 but slighty more angry completely able to not only keep up with but out do Vegito Blue. Also he knew how to do Spirit Bomb with no training or reference to training because frick coherent writing apparently
>Vegito Blue could barely keep up with him
The frick are you talking about? Vegito demolished him but ran out of time. You people forget this but he was literally half dead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're right my bad, I thought he got toppled at one point during the fight. Point is there is now way in Hell SSJ2 Trunks couldve kept up with Vegito Blue
2 years ago
Anonymous
Vegito faked taking a hit to stab Zamasu with the spirit sword.
It had a fun and interesting plot hook at the start, Goku gets turned into a kid by accident and has to hunt for the dragon balls again, but a bunch of stuff is moronic and just wrong. Vegeta would NEVER grow a FRICKING mustache
The real question is what makes GT better.
Everyone has their reasons for saying super is bettet, just look at the last thread, but no one can seem to say anything good about GT as if there's no redeeming qualities in ANY piece of GT media.
For techniques and forms to actually fricking matter. >build up UI for years >Goku finally achieves it, it still doesn't beat Jiren, becomes a jobber form next arc >build up Vegeta's ki training and hakai >energy fission is a perfect counter to Moro, still jobs >UE has nothing to do with hakai, immediately jobs 3 times in a row
Toyotaro can't write for shit.
I would say Super is a little more interesting to watch. GT has fantastic concepts like Baby and the Shadow Dragons but have you tried rewatching it? The first arc is unwatchable when they go into space and Super 17 exists.
GT has more SOUL but I’d rather watch Super if I had to choose. Not that Super is good
>The biggest turn off was the god form and frieza coming back.
Frieza comes back in everything. The only difference in Super is that he's no longer a joke.
Also looking for this image I saw the frozen Goku one and it just clicked how moronic it was that Eis could freeze him.
eh the red god form was ok in the movie
i hated the retellings, they were worse except for a tiny couple of changes.
And Freeza coming back I hated but they’ve treated him so well since ToP that I don’t mind it
>GT has fantastic concepts like Baby and the Shadow Dragons
I wouldn't say the dragons are a good concept since it fricks up power scaling given DKP was stronger than Shenron. It doesn't make any sense for them to be capable of destroying a universe.
anon my friend
the power scaling never made any sense. >Goku, in DB, trains for 3 whole years with Kami to defeat Piccolo >5 years after that presumably after self training he’s not even strong enough to take on Raditz with a team up >Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, Chaotzu all train for 6 months with Kami and another 6 on their own >able to handle multiple Raditz level enemies with no sweat
>after Piccolo dies he trains with King Kai for a few days and then gets wished back to Namek >fuses with a half dead Nail and suddenly goes from Nappa level to Freeza’s ONE MILLION PL form
What's not not get? Goku trained with Kami to fight Piccolo and only did the training for that.
And PRESUMING doesn't help you, Goku did have to raise Gohan so it's unlikely he could train freely.
Then you have Krillin and the crew training for the other Saiyans meaning they would have to go through more intense training not to mention there were more combatants to spar with up there.
With the Saibamen, not only were they a fair bit weaker than Raditz they weren't half as intelligent and Krillin put everything into the attack similarly to when Piccolo powered up for the special beam cannon.
And finally assimilation is a multiplier.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I’m about to BTFO of ya
Goku was first trained to master his mind and spirit as shown when he is meditating with Mr Popo to learn to control himself before he starts to train to defeat Piccolo, which could mean the end of the world. No arguments there
BUTTTTT
Krillin and the others, unless you want to say they skipped the ki mastering which wouldn’t help them, only had 6 months before they mastered everything which is ???????? >But Sparring Partner-ACK!
Goku had a sparring partner with Mr Popo >Saibamen were weaker tha-ACK!
Pic related is PROOF, not headcanon >they weren’t half as intelligence
intelligence has nothing to do with power level as evident by Fat Buu, Hirudegaurn, and Cell MAX but ALSO
Saibamen while not smart, were smart enough to use tactics like faking their death to get Yamcha, hiding in the shadows after Krillin’s attack and then attacking Gohan when his guard is down, basic combat against Tien, etc.
You? fricking LOST
Don’t ever reply to me again
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Goku had a sparring partner with Mr Popo
Popo isn't a fighter in the same way as Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotsu and Krillin. As sparring partners they can provide more variety in training. >Pic related is PROOF, not headcanon
Unfortunately for you despite being official its also wrong. They aren't equal to Raditz and even if they were there's still the matter of skills and intelligence. >intelligence has nothing to do with power level
Yes, yes it does. Intelligence and skill are incredibly important in this series, while there are characters that can fight on instinct like Buu and Hirudegarn they don't care about damage because of their regeneration and mist abilities respectively.
Saibamen on the other hand have neither. If they take mortal damage they can't heal.
Also if you had actually watched Super Hero you would know that Cell Max was defeated precisely because he was a raging beast and had a failsafe rather than the same level of regeneration as the normal Cell. >were smart enough to use tactics like faking their death to get Yamcha,
Also false. It was knocked out not "faking" it's death.
Next time when you try to "btfo" someone make sure you know what you're talking about.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>official is wrong
pathetic cope >Cell MAX was defeated because of a failsafe >this has something to do with his intelligence??????????
if YOU had watched Super Hero you would know Cell MAX had the failsafe because Dr Hedo was wary of what Cell MAX would be capable of when he was complete >also it was knocked out
completely false, especially since Vegeta knew what the Saibaman was about to do. Unless you want to say he got knocked out, woke up a few seconds later when his enemy’s guard was down and used strategy to blow them up? Thanks for confirming my point that they have intelligence.
Or maybe you want to say the official media isn’t canon kek
get the frick out of my thread
2 years ago
Anonymous
>official is wrong
Yes it is wrong, translations often are somewhere. Anyway, I just gave you the official daizenshuu power levels which places Raditz at 1500, 300 more than the Saibamen. >when he was complete
Key words there.
Max was never completed and was released early and that was the reason why that failsafe could be used. >completely false,
You just proved otherwise. You read manga from right to left, Vegeta noticed in the manga AFTER it twitched which revealed it was only knocked out.
Also no, this doesn't prove your point, on the contrary, the fact that it chose to self destruct instead of doing any other action that it could have taken to exploit Yamcha's complacency shows how little intelligence it has.
Stop trying so hard, you're making a fool of yourself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you gave me something that misreads the power levels stated in the official media
>and that was the reason why
headcanon since that’s not what was stated by Gamma 2
Also I guess Vegeta self destructing as a majin shows how little intelligence he has?
Piccolo doing a final gamble attack shows how little intelligence he has? >ah but the saibaman did it whe-
Saibaman are henchmen, he was ordered to take down Yamcha. Yamcha was stronger, there was literally nothing else he could do. What? Knock him in the back of the head and HOPE it hurts him enough to knock out? When he’s already proven himself more stronger?
you’re pathetic. Stop replying to me with your weak headcanon shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
not that anon but he could've blinded him and then break his neck.
He was strong enough to hold him tied, he could've done it, the saiyans were even dissapointed of such a pathetic dead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you gave me something that misreads the power levels stated in the official media
That is official media. You posted official media but its also a mistranslation since they clearly aren't on par with Raditz as shown here
>Goku had a sparring partner with Mr Popo
Popo isn't a fighter in the same way as Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotsu and Krillin. As sparring partners they can provide more variety in training. >Pic related is PROOF, not headcanon
Unfortunately for you despite being official its also wrong. They aren't equal to Raditz and even if they were there's still the matter of skills and intelligence. >intelligence has nothing to do with power level
Yes, yes it does. Intelligence and skill are incredibly important in this series, while there are characters that can fight on instinct like Buu and Hirudegarn they don't care about damage because of their regeneration and mist abilities respectively.
Saibamen on the other hand have neither. If they take mortal damage they can't heal.
Also if you had actually watched Super Hero you would know that Cell Max was defeated precisely because he was a raging beast and had a failsafe rather than the same level of regeneration as the normal Cell. >were smart enough to use tactics like faking their death to get Yamcha,
Also false. It was knocked out not "faking" it's death.
Next time when you try to "btfo" someone make sure you know what you're talking about.
>headcanon since that’s not what was stated by Gamma 2
So are you trying to say that a completed and intelligent Cell would have died like that? >Also I guess Vegeta self destructing as a majin shows how little intelligence he has?
False equivalence. Vegeta was fighting Buu and tried everything only to have it thrown back at him, the Saibaman was in a position of power and was strong enough to actually restrain Yamcha. It clearly lacked the intelligence to think of b another option. After all a much better option would have been to claw his neck. >Piccolo doing a final gamble attack shows how little intelligence he has?
Same as above, you're acting as if exhausting all your options is the same as immediately blowing yourself up.
Why am I even replying to you, its clear you don't understand any of this and just want to be "right".
2 years ago
Anonymous
Krillin discovered how to fly before Goku without training with Kami. Goku only did when he was about to die.
Most of Goku's training was not about becoming stronger, rather was about controlling his own power and to clear his mind.
The Z warriors had a different kind of training, more similar to the time Goku and Vegeta were in the time chamber, in which they reached their limits.
2 years ago
Anonymous
GOKU DID NOT SUDDENLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO FLY HE ALWAYS KNEW BECAUSE HE LEARNED WHEN TRAINING WITH KAMI
NOTICE HOW THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE FIGHT WITH PICCOLO HE DOESNT FLY BECAUSE IT DRAINS YOUR ENERGY, THIS IS EARLY DB FLYING COST A HEAVY KI USE, LOOK AT TIEN WHEN HE SAVED GOKU FRON KING PICCOLO HE WAS TIRED AS SHIT, ALSO TIEN DURING THE TOURNAMENT FINALE AGAINST GOKU
GOKU WAS THINKING STRATEGICALLY I’M TIRED OF YOUR FRICKING STUPID ASS HEADCANON SHIT READ THE MANGA OR WATCH THE ANIME BUT DON’T WASTE MY TIME YOU TFS FRICKBOY
FRICK I’M MAD NOW
It was the first instance of fusion in the series, and never established how it affects power level. No inconsistency there.
I’m about to BTFO of ya
Goku was first trained to master his mind and spirit as shown when he is meditating with Mr Popo to learn to control himself before he starts to train to defeat Piccolo, which could mean the end of the world. No arguments there
BUTTTTT
Krillin and the others, unless you want to say they skipped the ki mastering which wouldn’t help them, only had 6 months before they mastered everything which is ???????? >But Sparring Partner-ACK!
Goku had a sparring partner with Mr Popo >Saibamen were weaker tha-ACK!
Pic related is PROOF, not headcanon >they weren’t half as intelligence
intelligence has nothing to do with power level as evident by Fat Buu, Hirudegaurn, and Cell MAX but ALSO
Saibamen while not smart, were smart enough to use tactics like faking their death to get Yamcha, hiding in the shadows after Krillin’s attack and then attacking Gohan when his guard is down, basic combat against Tien, etc.
You? fricking LOST
Don’t ever reply to me again
Obviously they were better training partners than Mr. Popo. They obviously had better mastery of their ki than Goku did when he started there.
>that one time /vg/ asked us to come help drive a troll away from a random thread
the way the rest of the boards view /dbs/ is incredible. It went from popular threads based on the return of a beloved series to its own entity that nobody knows wtf is going on
>Beast Gohan is only real because /dbs/ memed Gohan Blanco >WB Multiversus only exists because /dbs/ memed Shaggy Ultra Instinct
fricking incredible
Why does GT have this moronic case of having something bad trailing something good:
>Main plot felt like OG dragonball: Turns out the dragon balls were never meant to be used so whybthe frick were they even made?! >Picolo Doesnt get on a ship in order to save someone and also sacrifices himself so the dragonballs turn to stone: Picolo is sent to hell >Goku's first SSJ4 transformation really felt like his first SSJ1 transformation: Vegeta gets Bulma to cheat his body to become SSJ4
Because it was poorly written.
That said this one >Picolo is sent to hell
Is fine because he was actually sent to heaven and the causes a ruckus to get sent to hell to assist Goku.
I'm so sick of this "Vegeta cheated to reach SSJ4" meme that's persisted for decades. Bulma's machine helped him transform into a giant ape because he can't regrow his tail, did Goku cheat by having his tail regrown?
>did Goku cheat by having his tail regrown?
Yes? He was reverted to a kid, which should have given his tail abck anyway, and then they pulled it out.
It was a LITERAL ass pull.
Also the real problem with Vegeta cheating is that it's so out of character for him to do it. The whole point for him is to gain power under his own abilities and no one else, which is also a sentiment that Goku shares that GT also didn't have.
So I guess Vegeta always liked handouts then by your logic as Vegeta hates the cowards way out. Bulma couldve given him his tail back and vegeta could've done the training, but instead he does something he would never do and get a full handout duw to shitty writinf
>did Goku cheat by having his tail regrown?
Yes? He was reverted to a kid, which should have given his tail abck anyway, and then they pulled it out.
It was a LITERAL ass pull.
Also the real problem with Vegeta cheating is that it's so out of character for him to do it. The whole point for him is to gain power under his own abilities and no one else, which is also a sentiment that Goku shares that GT also didn't have.
Lmao wtf are you talking about, Vegeta did the same thing when he let Babidi majin him to achieve SSJ2. Also when he had Krillin blow a hole in him for the zenkai boost.
Even that aside, it could be seen as character growth that he put saving the world above his own pride.
Yes, because then he just asked Dende to heal him. So he got two handouts at once.
>Vegeta did the same thing when he let Babidi majin him to achieve SSJ2
Hate to break it to you but it didn't give him any power boost.
Yes it did, speedwatcher. That's why he allowed it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yes it did, speedwatcher. That's why he allowed it.
The irony is lost on you. He allowed it because he thought it would turn him back into the uncaring warrior he was before, it didn't actually increase his power.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you moronic frick, it powers you up, like it did Spopovich, and Babidi says verbatim that it draws out your latent power. Vegeta was mentally in control the entire time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Now who's the speed reader.
It doesn't give any power that the user doesn't already have. Vegeta literally just wanted to be an aggressive warrior again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person I told you where the proof is that it powers you up. Vegeta felt weak and took a handout from Babidi to unlock his power. Exactly like he took a handout from Bulma to unlock his power.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, you did.
And in doing so you confirmed you're a speed reader.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your panel doesn't contradict a single thing I said you illiterate homosexual. Both were handouts to give him access to his latent power.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Your panel doesn't contradict a single thing
Despite the fac that you're claim runs in direct opposition to that page.
2 years ago
Anonymous
NTA but there's literally nothing that says Babidi increases your power rather than drawing it out like an evil old kai ritual sort of thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's the same fricking thing you moron. Just like how Bulma restores Vegeta's tail so he can ape out again like he could naturally.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That's the same fricking thing
It quite literally isn't.
As your panel says it only unleashes their latent power. Any fighter could access that power had they learned.
With SS4 Vegeta couldn't physically become ss4 without the blutz waves. In any other media he would have tried to find comparable power elsewhere or figured out how to force out his tail.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It is exactly the same fricking thing you brainlet. He used a handout to immediately access power power instead of training for it or unlocking it on his own. It is EXACTLY the same.
some autist is trying to say the original genesis Sonic games are bad because they weren’t like Mario and told us to go to a random thread and ask people what the 3rd zone of Sonic 2 was because people dropped Sonic 2 after Chemical Plant
Honestly I got nothin better to do.
The entire thing is
Emeral hill
Chemical plant
Aquatic ruin
Casino night
Hilltop
Mystic cave/Hidden Palace in the mobile version
Oil Ocean
Metropolis
Sky Chase
Wing Fortress
Death Egg
some autist is trying to say the original genesis Sonic games are bad because they weren’t like Mario and told us to go to a random thread and ask people what the 3rd zone of Sonic 2 was because people dropped Sonic 2 after Chemical Plant
Honestly I got nothin better to do.
[...]
The guy sounds moronic. Sonic 2 was by far the most popular despite 3 being the better game.
What contribution did Toriyama have towards the Broly movie because I was genuinely impressed with how well done that was. It seems like with the last two manga arcs he really tried to use what few brain cells he had to create some unique characters and a unique story before just giving up in the end.
1993 Dragon Ball Z movie "Bojack Unbound" scanned at 4K resolution
https://archive.org/details/dbz-m9-35mm
>They were thrown away along with dozens of other films when Allied Vaughn's Dallas office closed around 2008 or 2009, so this reel here was salvaged from that liquidation, but sadly the others were not able to be saved. > This post includes the 4K encode with Japanese LaserDisc and optical audio, along with dub syncs of both the JPN and ENG music tracks, and subtitles.
Dragon ball gt is better than super
I'd say they are about the same
It’s definitely nicer to look at, I haven’t looked too far into either gt or super but if I had to watch one I’d choose gt 100%
Super looks great in the second half
Don’t care not watching unless it’s got the 90s toriyama style
Eh trim the fat off both of them and I say they're both the same. I really prefer Super Saiyan 4 over LE GOD... MODE! LE... ULTRA INSTINCT MODE???!!! IT'S JUST LE... DIFFERENT HAIR COLOR SO COOL!!!!
Lazy and shit
The Broly thing does make sense though. He IS the Legendary Saiyan. Literally supposed to be the one of a kind, freak of nature that only occurs once a millennia yada yada. The DBZ equivalent of World Breaker Hulk. So him going toe to toe with god level powers does make sense, the tradeoff was he cant control his power when in that state
As for the rest of Super, ya got me there. Shit really is just fanfic tier level of writing. It's almost bad to even call it fanfic because at least fans give a shit about the story versus the official release. Super really is just a meme with a budget they even made Gohan Blanco realmy sides still hurt
None of the post really makes any sense.
I mean, most of it concerns power and how Goku and Vegeta should be the strongest beings but that's also the beauty of a multiverse, existing rules and power scaling no longer matter, there could be other races as powerful and adaptive as saiyans in other universes.
Not to mention if Goku and Vegeta can train with God's and angels what's stopping others?
That's the main crux of the argument but funniest part is everything he had to make up like Krillin giving Goku "trouble" in Blue.
Saying that is the equivalent of saying Super 17 is as weak as Kid Goku or that Kid Buu was the strongest form of Buu.
>what's stopping others?
they probably did that to leave it open for it to happen
>he had to make up like Krillin giving Goku "trouble" in Blue.
Because Super is a meme. Another example was Trunks fighting Zamasu. He got his ass handed to him and Vegito Blue could barely keep up with him but then ( and all because Trunks got angry ) he was suddenly able to overpower Zamasu. SSJ2 but slighty more angry completely able to not only keep up with but out do Vegito Blue. Also he knew how to do Spirit Bomb with no training or reference to training because frick coherent writing apparently
>Vegito Blue could barely keep up with him
The frick are you talking about? Vegito demolished him but ran out of time. You people forget this but he was literally half dead.
You're right my bad, I thought he got toppled at one point during the fight. Point is there is now way in Hell SSJ2 Trunks couldve kept up with Vegito Blue
Vegito faked taking a hit to stab Zamasu with the spirit sword.
GT is dragged out to appeal to four year olds. It's ridiculous how much drudgery is in that show for something that was written for TV.
Dragon ball in general is appealing to 4-12 year olds. Unless you think screaming and moronic asspull powerups is intelligent kino for adults.
My knee is bending on its own
only the baby saga, everything else is trash
It had a fun and interesting plot hook at the start, Goku gets turned into a kid by accident and has to hunt for the dragon balls again, but a bunch of stuff is moronic and just wrong. Vegeta would NEVER grow a FRICKING mustache
It really is, supergays can eat shit.
Both are shit.
SSJ4 is one of the best designs in all of dragon ball.
Holy frick no
That's not a very high bar.
SOUL
English is better
DAN DAN
GT was a fun show
There I said it
Sure, if you ignore about 60% of it.
What makes super better?
The real question is what makes GT better.
Everyone has their reasons for saying super is bettet, just look at the last thread, but no one can seem to say anything good about GT as if there's no redeeming qualities in ANY piece of GT media.
WHY is Gamora??
You need to be 18+ to post here.
Then why are you here breaking the rules??
Budokai 3?
dragon ball is for moronic mexican children
Well, you see, when a 2 or more dragonballs fall in love, they roll into a golf ball washer and hug allll night
This episode was so weird.
This episode made me wish we knew what was life on other planets
What do you hope the next series is like?
Focus on the new generation instead of beefing up the old one, but it's too late for that I guess.
The new movie is literally that, moron.
>3 year timeskip featuring a toddler Pan and fricking Gotenks being used as comic relief
Imagine being this delusional
Nah it's still too early for that. Wait until post-EndofZ
Sadala arc.
Just end it already
Piccolo Naranja > Super Broly > Vegeta GoD > Goku MUI > Gohan blanco
Blanco was so disappointing in the movie, I expected more.
>What do you hope the next series is like?
For there not to be one. Just let it end.
For techniques and forms to actually fricking matter.
>build up UI for years
>Goku finally achieves it, it still doesn't beat Jiren, becomes a jobber form next arc
>build up Vegeta's ki training and hakai
>energy fission is a perfect counter to Moro, still jobs
>UE has nothing to do with hakai, immediately jobs 3 times in a row
Toyotaro can't write for shit.
>Oolong got added to XV2 a few days ago
The OG Dragon Ball gang is almost all here
Wish they would just work on X3 instead
They're allegedly working on XV3 and it's expected to be out by 2024
AAAIIEEEE OOLONG SAMA YAMERO
XenoVerse 3 will have a Battlepass and rotating store.
And it WILL be superior to endless overpriced DLC packs
I want to kiss pan
Wow what a coincidence, listening to this right now
i frickING HATE GOD KI AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
so what is /dbs/ migrating to Ganker now?
Ganker has always been a dragonball board
damn just like Ganker
I would say Super is a little more interesting to watch. GT has fantastic concepts like Baby and the Shadow Dragons but have you tried rewatching it? The first arc is unwatchable when they go into space and Super 17 exists.
GT has more SOUL but I’d rather watch Super if I had to choose. Not that Super is good
I didn't enjoy super much. The biggest turn off was the god form and frieza coming back.
>The biggest turn off was the god form and frieza coming back.
Frieza comes back in everything. The only difference in Super is that he's no longer a joke.
Also looking for this image I saw the frozen Goku one and it just clicked how moronic it was that Eis could freeze him.
eh the red god form was ok in the movie
i hated the retellings, they were worse except for a tiny couple of changes.
And Freeza coming back I hated but they’ve treated him so well since ToP that I don’t mind it
>GT has fantastic concepts like Baby and the Shadow Dragons
I wouldn't say the dragons are a good concept since it fricks up power scaling given DKP was stronger than Shenron. It doesn't make any sense for them to be capable of destroying a universe.
anon my friend
the power scaling never made any sense.
>Goku, in DB, trains for 3 whole years with Kami to defeat Piccolo
>5 years after that presumably after self training he’s not even strong enough to take on Raditz with a team up
>Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, Chaotzu all train for 6 months with Kami and another 6 on their own
>able to handle multiple Raditz level enemies with no sweat
>after Piccolo dies he trains with King Kai for a few days and then gets wished back to Namek
>fuses with a half dead Nail and suddenly goes from Nappa level to Freeza’s ONE MILLION PL form
it never made sense
>it never made sense
That's because you don't want it to make sense.
What's not not get? Goku trained with Kami to fight Piccolo and only did the training for that.
And PRESUMING doesn't help you, Goku did have to raise Gohan so it's unlikely he could train freely.
Then you have Krillin and the crew training for the other Saiyans meaning they would have to go through more intense training not to mention there were more combatants to spar with up there.
With the Saibamen, not only were they a fair bit weaker than Raditz they weren't half as intelligent and Krillin put everything into the attack similarly to when Piccolo powered up for the special beam cannon.
And finally assimilation is a multiplier.
I’m about to BTFO of ya
Goku was first trained to master his mind and spirit as shown when he is meditating with Mr Popo to learn to control himself before he starts to train to defeat Piccolo, which could mean the end of the world. No arguments there
BUTTTTT
Krillin and the others, unless you want to say they skipped the ki mastering which wouldn’t help them, only had 6 months before they mastered everything which is ????????
>But Sparring Partner-ACK!
Goku had a sparring partner with Mr Popo
>Saibamen were weaker tha-ACK!
Pic related is PROOF, not headcanon
>they weren’t half as intelligence
intelligence has nothing to do with power level as evident by Fat Buu, Hirudegaurn, and Cell MAX but ALSO
Saibamen while not smart, were smart enough to use tactics like faking their death to get Yamcha, hiding in the shadows after Krillin’s attack and then attacking Gohan when his guard is down, basic combat against Tien, etc.
You? fricking LOST
Don’t ever reply to me again
>Goku had a sparring partner with Mr Popo
Popo isn't a fighter in the same way as Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotsu and Krillin. As sparring partners they can provide more variety in training.
>Pic related is PROOF, not headcanon
Unfortunately for you despite being official its also wrong. They aren't equal to Raditz and even if they were there's still the matter of skills and intelligence.
>intelligence has nothing to do with power level
Yes, yes it does. Intelligence and skill are incredibly important in this series, while there are characters that can fight on instinct like Buu and Hirudegarn they don't care about damage because of their regeneration and mist abilities respectively.
Saibamen on the other hand have neither. If they take mortal damage they can't heal.
Also if you had actually watched Super Hero you would know that Cell Max was defeated precisely because he was a raging beast and had a failsafe rather than the same level of regeneration as the normal Cell.
>were smart enough to use tactics like faking their death to get Yamcha,
Also false. It was knocked out not "faking" it's death.
Next time when you try to "btfo" someone make sure you know what you're talking about.
>official is wrong
pathetic cope
>Cell MAX was defeated because of a failsafe
>this has something to do with his intelligence??????????
if YOU had watched Super Hero you would know Cell MAX had the failsafe because Dr Hedo was wary of what Cell MAX would be capable of when he was complete
>also it was knocked out
completely false, especially since Vegeta knew what the Saibaman was about to do. Unless you want to say he got knocked out, woke up a few seconds later when his enemy’s guard was down and used strategy to blow them up? Thanks for confirming my point that they have intelligence.
Or maybe you want to say the official media isn’t canon kek
get the frick out of my thread
>official is wrong
Yes it is wrong, translations often are somewhere. Anyway, I just gave you the official daizenshuu power levels which places Raditz at 1500, 300 more than the Saibamen.
>when he was complete
Key words there.
Max was never completed and was released early and that was the reason why that failsafe could be used.
>completely false,
You just proved otherwise. You read manga from right to left, Vegeta noticed in the manga AFTER it twitched which revealed it was only knocked out.
Also no, this doesn't prove your point, on the contrary, the fact that it chose to self destruct instead of doing any other action that it could have taken to exploit Yamcha's complacency shows how little intelligence it has.
Stop trying so hard, you're making a fool of yourself.
you gave me something that misreads the power levels stated in the official media
>and that was the reason why
headcanon since that’s not what was stated by Gamma 2
Also I guess Vegeta self destructing as a majin shows how little intelligence he has?
Piccolo doing a final gamble attack shows how little intelligence he has?
>ah but the saibaman did it whe-
Saibaman are henchmen, he was ordered to take down Yamcha. Yamcha was stronger, there was literally nothing else he could do. What? Knock him in the back of the head and HOPE it hurts him enough to knock out? When he’s already proven himself more stronger?
you’re pathetic. Stop replying to me with your weak headcanon shit.
not that anon but he could've blinded him and then break his neck.
He was strong enough to hold him tied, he could've done it, the saiyans were even dissapointed of such a pathetic dead.
>you gave me something that misreads the power levels stated in the official media
That is official media. You posted official media but its also a mistranslation since they clearly aren't on par with Raditz as shown here
>headcanon since that’s not what was stated by Gamma 2
So are you trying to say that a completed and intelligent Cell would have died like that?
>Also I guess Vegeta self destructing as a majin shows how little intelligence he has?
False equivalence. Vegeta was fighting Buu and tried everything only to have it thrown back at him, the Saibaman was in a position of power and was strong enough to actually restrain Yamcha. It clearly lacked the intelligence to think of b another option. After all a much better option would have been to claw his neck.
>Piccolo doing a final gamble attack shows how little intelligence he has?
Same as above, you're acting as if exhausting all your options is the same as immediately blowing yourself up.
Why am I even replying to you, its clear you don't understand any of this and just want to be "right".
Krillin discovered how to fly before Goku without training with Kami. Goku only did when he was about to die.
Most of Goku's training was not about becoming stronger, rather was about controlling his own power and to clear his mind.
The Z warriors had a different kind of training, more similar to the time Goku and Vegeta were in the time chamber, in which they reached their limits.
GOKU DID NOT SUDDENLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO FLY HE ALWAYS KNEW BECAUSE HE LEARNED WHEN TRAINING WITH KAMI
NOTICE HOW THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE FIGHT WITH PICCOLO HE DOESNT FLY BECAUSE IT DRAINS YOUR ENERGY, THIS IS EARLY DB FLYING COST A HEAVY KI USE, LOOK AT TIEN WHEN HE SAVED GOKU FRON KING PICCOLO HE WAS TIRED AS SHIT, ALSO TIEN DURING THE TOURNAMENT FINALE AGAINST GOKU
GOKU WAS THINKING STRATEGICALLY I’M TIRED OF YOUR FRICKING STUPID ASS HEADCANON SHIT READ THE MANGA OR WATCH THE ANIME BUT DON’T WASTE MY TIME YOU TFS FRICKBOY
FRICK I’M MAD NOW
why are you lying
It was the first instance of fusion in the series, and never established how it affects power level. No inconsistency there.
Obviously they were better training partners than Mr. Popo. They obviously had better mastery of their ki than Goku did when he started there.
No, GTgay was just banned from Ganker and Ganker. This is his last shitposting haven.
They're not only the chads of Ganker the are objectively the chads of Ganker
>that one time /vg/ asked us to come help drive a troll away from a random thread
the way the rest of the boards view /dbs/ is incredible. It went from popular threads based on the return of a beloved series to its own entity that nobody knows wtf is going on
>Beast Gohan is only real because /dbs/ memed Gohan Blanco
>WB Multiversus only exists because /dbs/ memed Shaggy Ultra Instinct
fricking incredible
Why does GT have this moronic case of having something bad trailing something good:
>Main plot felt like OG dragonball: Turns out the dragon balls were never meant to be used so whybthe frick were they even made?!
>Picolo Doesnt get on a ship in order to save someone and also sacrifices himself so the dragonballs turn to stone: Picolo is sent to hell
>Goku's first SSJ4 transformation really felt like his first SSJ1 transformation: Vegeta gets Bulma to cheat his body to become SSJ4
Because it was poorly written.
That said this one
>Picolo is sent to hell
Is fine because he was actually sent to heaven and the causes a ruckus to get sent to hell to assist Goku.
I'm so sick of this "Vegeta cheated to reach SSJ4" meme that's persisted for decades. Bulma's machine helped him transform into a giant ape because he can't regrow his tail, did Goku cheat by having his tail regrown?
>did Goku cheat by having his tail regrown?
Yes? He was reverted to a kid, which should have given his tail abck anyway, and then they pulled it out.
It was a LITERAL ass pull.
Also the real problem with Vegeta cheating is that it's so out of character for him to do it. The whole point for him is to gain power under his own abilities and no one else, which is also a sentiment that Goku shares that GT also didn't have.
So I guess Vegeta always liked handouts then by your logic as Vegeta hates the cowards way out. Bulma couldve given him his tail back and vegeta could've done the training, but instead he does something he would never do and get a full handout duw to shitty writinf
Lmao wtf are you talking about, Vegeta did the same thing when he let Babidi majin him to achieve SSJ2. Also when he had Krillin blow a hole in him for the zenkai boost.
Even that aside, it could be seen as character growth that he put saving the world above his own pride.
>Vegeta did the same thing when he let Babidi majin him to achieve SSJ2
Hate to break it to you but it didn't give him any power boost.
Yes, because telling someone to basically nearly kill you counts as a free handout
Yes, because then he just asked Dende to heal him. So he got two handouts at once.
Yes it did, speedwatcher. That's why he allowed it.
>Yes it did, speedwatcher. That's why he allowed it.
The irony is lost on you. He allowed it because he thought it would turn him back into the uncaring warrior he was before, it didn't actually increase his power.
No you moronic frick, it powers you up, like it did Spopovich, and Babidi says verbatim that it draws out your latent power. Vegeta was mentally in control the entire time.
Now who's the speed reader.
It doesn't give any power that the user doesn't already have. Vegeta literally just wanted to be an aggressive warrior again.
Black person I told you where the proof is that it powers you up. Vegeta felt weak and took a handout from Babidi to unlock his power. Exactly like he took a handout from Bulma to unlock his power.
Yeah, you did.
And in doing so you confirmed you're a speed reader.
Your panel doesn't contradict a single thing I said you illiterate homosexual. Both were handouts to give him access to his latent power.
>Your panel doesn't contradict a single thing
Despite the fac that you're claim runs in direct opposition to that page.
NTA but there's literally nothing that says Babidi increases your power rather than drawing it out like an evil old kai ritual sort of thing.
That's the same fricking thing you moron. Just like how Bulma restores Vegeta's tail so he can ape out again like he could naturally.
>That's the same fricking thing
It quite literally isn't.
As your panel says it only unleashes their latent power. Any fighter could access that power had they learned.
With SS4 Vegeta couldn't physically become ss4 without the blutz waves. In any other media he would have tried to find comparable power elsewhere or figured out how to force out his tail.
It is exactly the same fricking thing you brainlet. He used a handout to immediately access power power instead of training for it or unlocking it on his own. It is EXACTLY the same.
Bulma did some cheating with his body alright.
En el instante en que te volví a encontrar.
Mi mente trajo a mí aquel hermoso lugar.
Que cuando era niño fue tan valioso para mí.
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every always asks why are dragon ball games but no one asks how are dragon ball games.
Hey bros sorry to bother ya’ll but we’re arguing about something in a Sonic thread and need a random thread to answer a question
What’s the 3rd zone of Sonic 2?
Jobber Zone
Aquatic Ruin Zone
unless it’s a trick question and you mean CD? then uh Quartz Quadrant
yes.
Why?
some autist is trying to say the original genesis Sonic games are bad because they weren’t like Mario and told us to go to a random thread and ask people what the 3rd zone of Sonic 2 was because people dropped Sonic 2 after Chemical Plant
Honestly I got nothin better to do.
I thought it was the power plant one
Nah, chemical plant is 2
The entire thing is
Emeral hill
Chemical plant
Aquatic ruin
Casino night
Hilltop
Mystic cave/Hidden Palace in the mobile version
Oil Ocean
Metropolis
Sky Chase
Wing Fortress
Death Egg
The guy sounds moronic. Sonic 2 was by far the most popular despite 3 being the better game.
If my name was super baby 2 I too would want to exterminate an entire race.
why did they call him baby it's such a lame name
>hurr he loses his temper like a baby
japs can't into subtleness
Dragon Ball Super is an abomination. It's not canon. Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT are canon.
GT couldn't be canon even before Super.
Who fricking cares, it's dragon ball
What's wrong, don't like balls?
What contribution did Toriyama have towards the Broly movie because I was genuinely impressed with how well done that was. It seems like with the last two manga arcs he really tried to use what few brain cells he had to create some unique characters and a unique story before just giving up in the end.
>What contribution did Toriyama have towards the Broly movie
He wrote the entire thing and designed any new characters.
1993 Dragon Ball Z movie "Bojack Unbound" scanned at 4K resolution
https://archive.org/details/dbz-m9-35mm
>They were thrown away along with dozens of other films when Allied Vaughn's Dallas office closed around 2008 or 2009, so this reel here was salvaged from that liquidation, but sadly the others were not able to be saved.
> This post includes the 4K encode with Japanese LaserDisc and optical audio, along with dub syncs of both the JPN and ENG music tracks, and subtitles.
Bravo Funimation, we could have had a 4K remaster
Xenoverse 3 when?