They were raised on sitcom reruns, proto-homosexualry in the mainstream culture, and have been over-socialized without any exposure to classical literature
They aren't trying to write a character, they are writing a mouthpiece.
They cannot produce something sincere and confident in itself
the wrong types of people are in charge of making video games regardless of generation
no meaningful life experience to draw on, massively over-inflated egos, and ideological poisoning from all of the people who were supposed to be taking care of them as children.
https://www.theblackgirlgamers.com/
They were credited in the game.
What for?
no meaningful life experience to draw on, massively over-inflated egos, and ideological poisoning from all of the people who were supposed to be taking care of them as children.
This. I don't know why anyone expects them to be even remotely decent considering the environment they grew up in. People are products of their environment and their environment has been "everyone is equal" globohomosexual propaganda since the day they were born.
They aren't trying to write a character, they are writing a mouthpiece.
They cannot produce something sincere and confident in itself
Because they feel the need to inject their relatable, quirky, nihilist humor into everything.
https://i.imgur.com/pwjo6IQ.jpg
Why are millennials such terrible writers?
If you are OLDER than millennials (37 years old) and still browse this board, you have no right to critisize anything and are an old fricking loser tbh.
A few of terry pratchetts books, neil gaimans american gods, Fricking anne karenina frick that shit sucked, uhhh and I think the second book the freakonomics guys did.
Now whats my prize?
Point of the exercise is you have to name the last five. >Flux >Timelike Infinity >Raft >Sundiver >Elder Race
Throwing out somesuch and this one is a failure.
i love that shit. i've got every forgotten realms book released before like 2014, and also a massive collection of dragonlance, all the xanth books, disc world, etc. luv me some fun, easy fantasy.
Yeah it's great, I've noticed that I'm more into the older ones, like 80s and 90s. I still bought them past that at the time but now going through them I'll find that I just drop the later books like fifty pages in more and more.
Theodore Sturgeon collected work vol. 2
The Sheep Look Up by John Brunner (best anti-American novel I've read)
The World Inside by Robert Silverberg
Voyage to Arcturus by David Lindsay
Camp Concentration by Thomas Disch
Yes anon that's how generations work. Right now Gen A's oldest is in their 15's
Someone who is 15 years old and someone who is 30 years old aren't from the same generation, they grew up in completely different times, what the frick are you morons on about.
There is no difference from the world in 2002 and the world in 2022 other than an increase in technology and surveillance.
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Are children in playgrounds still a thing
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes.
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2002 and 2022 are nothing alike. Even someone from 2012 would be shocked at the state of society.
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>I wasn't around in 2002, or even if I was, my formative years were the 2010's
That's all I'm reading.
Society as a whole was VERY different in the early 2000's, at least in the west.
1 year ago
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in general, not just west
hell even 4chins in 2006 is different from 2010's and 2020's
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It's like mandrama: anything somewhat tolerable you saw in the early 2000s was remnants from the 90s.
As soon as that dried up, culture died.
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Lol, lmao even. In 2000 less than 20% of black New Yorkers reported racism as a problem in the city. Now over 80% say it is a problem. Way to out yourself as a zoomer.
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ayyyy, that's how I used to shoot the bosses in House of the Dead.
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>black people finally found the problem
I don't see the problem here racist anon
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2002 >people still believed following their dreams and studying anything in college would get them a good job and a good life >everyone believed they would probably own a home even if they didn't have a degree but at least worked hard (and no not some shack in rural Alabama) >college age kids were not obsessed with politics or things like gender >politics was largely seen as uncool and would only get attention near a big election >You could still rent an apartment in most cities and would only need room mates if you worked part time only >most people still believed they could truly afford to have children >people believed that future generations would have an even better life than their own >people that made video games kind of just made what they thought would be fun and sell and didn't give a shit about trying to appease every wrong demographic in the world at once
It was a very different time but it can be summed up as "people had hope for the future still"
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>eople still believed following their dreams and studying anything in college would get them a good job and a good life
Maybe before 9/11, but once that happened, there was this crushing sense of nihilism that took over, that we're still stuck in today.
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There was that short wave of near-McCarthy nationalism for a bit.
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the war became routine after awhile but the 2008 recession is something the middle class never really recovered from.
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2002 was edgy, patriotic and violent. Gang and chav culture was glorified, humour was South Park Plus, muslims were the enemy of mankind, and it was our duty to kill freedom hating non-whites. Gay was an insult, and trannies did not exist. Video games were going online and everyone was calling each other Black folk and homosexuals.
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And then we grew up, got jobs, and realized all that shit was stupid.
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>t. a zoomer born in 2002
You have no idea what you're talking about, moron.
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I tell you this as a 35 year old lich:
2002 and 2022 are incomparable. Hell, the 90s feel like an alternate dimension by now. Once you gain another 10 years you will hopefully become aware of the world changing and twisting around you. Every good thing must be snuffed out, every pinch of innocence corrupted. Believe Nikola Tesla when he said that you will witness manmade horrors beyond your comprehension. Your only hope is to never give up on the last shreds of goodness and hopefully pass it on.
Do you even know what a millennial is? Stupid fricking zoomer.
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Its been gen x, en y, gen z, milennial since they made up these stupid generations you screen brains need to label everything with
not my fault misinformation twisted it and everyone obsessed with it into gen-schizo
All my favorite writers don't get hired because they don't hate the IP enough. So agencies don't hire them. It is what it is. Work with indie people. They have money and will let you actually work.
Its been gen x, en y, gen z, milennial since they made up these stupid generations you screen brains need to label everything with
not my fault misinformation twisted it and everyone obsessed with it into gen-schizo
All my favorite writers don't get hired because they don't hate the IP enough. So agencies don't hire them. It is what it is. Work with indie people. They have money and will let you actually work.
maladjusted development.
zoomers were born in the internet. x'ers were born outside of the internet.
being born in the middle of a huge social shift made all the millenials into social robotic tards who can't connect with anyone.
Nobody wants to invest in something new and risk it being a flop so only hacks that can regurgitate existing IP's find work in the media industry. It's not that creativity is dead and buried, capitalism just won't allow it.
Bad writing is not new. What is new is how much emphasis is being placed on the writing in video games these days so how bad the writing is is becoming more and more obvious.
Although, there is the problem where millennials do seem to think being obnoxious and needlessly combative are admirable character traits. I can only assume it's because they themselves are obnoxious and needlessly combative and don't realize how unlikable that makes them.
GenX’s defining element of their existence was good vidya. Before them, the silent Gen invented them. Then Boomers did some hit and miss and created a niche nerd culture thing, then GenXers made video games into what we think of them and the AAA title, Halo 2, modern warfare, etc. Then Millennials have sunk it. Maybe zoomers will resurrect it. Obviously it’s more complicated than that with blackrock and everyone who’s in charge of society is trying their best to kill the culture and force it to hold status quo because if not it’ll turn into 24/7 Ye / Hitler Phonk edits and so on. But older millennials are too much like their parents, they’re train wreck of a generation. But older zoomers and young millennials largely have GenX parents so maybe we can replicate the magic, given the chance. Millennials are too interested in their own perception of how people see them and are rebelling constantly against a social order that has been nearly wiped out, thinking they’re sticking it to the man by going around “EXUSE ME SWEETY BUT WHAT THE FRICKING FRICK FRICK DO YOU FRICKING THINK YOU ARE FRICKING DOING???” Their constant absurd vulgarity shows a lot about them, there’s something so offensive when weak men and women curse and are vulgar, turns my stomach the same way seeing two gay homies kissing or maggots on a corpse.
homie, these are all Gen Xers picrel is one of them. They are trying to write a caricutre of an early 2010s Millennial but doing it sincerely. Reminder that out of touch Gen Xers are the ones who are rebooting, woking and shitting up franchises like Star Wars. Stuff that Boomers created.
This is an older generation trying to write a younger one and predictably failing. Call me when Millennials seriously write a no cap fr fr bussin zoomer character. Frick Gen X.
I vote sure. I definitely think it's important and everybody should. But it's so cringe when people wear stickers or buttons to showcase they did the absolute bare minimum of their civic duty.
They never read actual books as kids and all of their source material comes from poorly written cartoons, movies, and social media which has perpetuated a post-ironic culture where now nothing can be serious and everything has to end in some shit-tier quip
Because they are positively reinforced for creating products for mass consumption. It's not a generational issue it's a normie issue. You can't fix the forces that keep rewarding James Cameron. The masses are incapable of manifesting transcendent art. Same shit applies to the broken system that is democracy. The only recipe for excellence are visionaries not sycophants or cultural climbers.
Yeah I agree, It seems like the only people who can take something that exists and run with it is either one of these very few individuals with the Midas touch or some obsessive fan who is beyond everyone else. Anything in between seems to be a death sentence for any existing IP
No, Joss Whedon destroyed comedy. It was relegated to either garbage LIKE Rick and Morty/Family guy, or quirky, quippy, sarcastic heroes raising their eyebrows and smirking in life-threatening situations. Pure comedy, classic comedy, is dead.
Whedon was case zero, but the problem goes further than that; the issue is that people aped him without having the required wranglers that stop the writing from constantly murdering the tone.
There’s a reason why Buffy, on discovering her mother’s corpse, is clearly shattered rather than saying some inane shit like >well I guess she’s been stiffed this time!
And that reason is the five other people with veto power reeling him in before he had the chance.
I really feel that's just Justin Roiland and his teams specific type of humor much in the same way Family Guy/American Dad is mostly just Seth McFarlane's brand of humor. Don't just lump all millennials in one group because a thing got popular. Big Bang Theory was a successful sitcom and I've literally never heard anyone but boomers like it despite it definitely aimed towards younger audiences.
It's pretty low brow humor. But dont feel bad, I mean I liked Friends when I was younger but it's easy to see now how devoid of real substance that show is.
They're afraid for the setting to take itself seriously because they might get shit on by critics and they're pissed they're not writing a movie or whatever passion project they'd like to do that they consider real art. Their fear and contempt manifests as lol so quirky winking at the audience humor with a dressing of contemporary politics and memes that'll age like milk. In other words they're hacks.
homie, these are all Gen Xers picrel is one of them. They are trying to write a caricutre of an early 2010s Millennial but doing it sincerely. Reminder that out of touch Gen Xers are the ones who are rebooting, woking and shitting up franchises like Star Wars. Stuff that Boomers created.
This is an older generation trying to write a younger one and predictably failing. Call me when Millennials seriously write a no cap fr fr bussin zoomer character. Frick Gen X.
I'm really sick and tired of the fact that everyone tries to give Gen X this pass and either blame everything on Boomers or Millennials, when Gen X are woke as frick and are the ones currently making all of these horrible decisions.
Gen x is by far the smallest generation numbers wise...even less than boomers. They were the first generation where a good portion of them were born unplanned due to the sexual revolution. Numbers wise, gen x pales in comparison to boomers, milennials, and zoomers.
There’s some kind of weird dividing line with GenXers. Maybe they’re when the culture officially began to shatter into a ton of subcultures, but all the GenXers are all either pretty good and reasonable or they’re just boomers who turn everything they touch to shit. Boomers are all carbon copies of each other, millennials are largely the same until you get into the younger ones, then zoomers are mostly unpredictable. maybe the distinction is in who raised them, some GenXers have boomer parents but most have Silent Gen ones. Some of the last normal people I know in life are GenXers and young millennials / zoomers. That line of totally zogged up people are total disasters. The Goyest Gen had the boomers, boomers had millennials, and millennials had late zoomers and are having Gen Alphas, but the zoomers with millennial parents are horrible. The best people I know are Silent Gen, GenX, and young millennial and older zoomers
There’s some kind of weird dividing line with GenXers. Maybe they’re when the culture officially began to shatter into a ton of subcultures, but all the GenXers are all either pretty good and reasonable or they’re just boomers who turn everything they touch to shit. Boomers are all carbon copies of each other, millennials are largely the same until you get into the younger ones, then zoomers are mostly unpredictable. maybe the distinction is in who raised them, some GenXers have boomer parents but most have Silent Gen ones. Some of the last normal people I know in life are GenXers and young millennials / zoomers. That line of totally zogged up people are total disasters. The Goyest Gen had the boomers, boomers had millennials, and millennials had late zoomers and are having Gen Alphas, but the zoomers with millennial parents are horrible. The best people I know are Silent Gen, GenX, and young millennial and older zoomers
Gen Xers are the ones who are mass producing all the 80s nostalgia slop like Wonder Woman 84 and the wokefied Star Wars sequels. Gen X creatives for the last decade are primarily known for taking stuff from their childhood that was created by Boomers and older and completely detroying it. Reminder that picrel is a Gen Xer reacting to slop made by Gen Xers.
The suits, CEOs, politicians etc who have been pushing for diversity and pozzing everything aren't Millennials, they are by far mostly Gen X. Gen X is also the first generation of parents to enmass mutilate their kids into trannies.
Gen x is by far the smallest generation numbers wise...even less than boomers. They were the first generation where a good portion of them were born unplanned due to the sexual revolution. Numbers wise, gen x pales in comparison to boomers, milennials, and zoomers.
There are 66 million Gen Xers compared to 70 million Boomers.
Relatively, that difference is almost nothing. What your comment is regurgitaring is the common Gen X excuse to weasel out of the blame of what they've been doing for over a decade now. Listening to them, you'd think Gen X is some super secret club of a few chosen ones. In reality, they are a normal sized generation who have been at the forefront of pozzing up society for over a decade now and they will only get more powerful in future.
But I guess we're supposed to not pay attention to that because Gen X are so grunge and rebelious and would never do that
The issue with millenials is that they are possibly the very first generation of true current day “sjw”.
I remember even in the mid 00s, saying “that’s gay” was mostly tolerated but some kids were already saying that’s not nice and how bigoted it is.
I am a 31 year old millenial.
I remember calling things gay and moronic back in the early 2000s, and there was always that one gay moron who objected, but we called him a gay moron to his face and he shut up about it. Now the issue is more that those gay morons hide online and get jobs as e-"journalists" and aren't bullied enough irl so they never learn to shut the frick up and know their place in the real world.
>Amy Hennig
1964 makes her a late boomer.
Also, what happened to Gen X? They were the coolest in the 90s, pushing video games to new heights.
There’s some kind of weird dividing line with GenXers. Maybe they’re when the culture officially began to shatter into a ton of subcultures, but all the GenXers are all either pretty good and reasonable or they’re just boomers who turn everything they touch to shit. Boomers are all carbon copies of each other, millennials are largely the same until you get into the younger ones, then zoomers are mostly unpredictable. maybe the distinction is in who raised them, some GenXers have boomer parents but most have Silent Gen ones. Some of the last normal people I know in life are GenXers and young millennials / zoomers. That line of totally zogged up people are total disasters. The Goyest Gen had the boomers, boomers had millennials, and millennials had late zoomers and are having Gen Alphas, but the zoomers with millennial parents are horrible. The best people I know are Silent Gen, GenX, and young millennial and older zoomers
>dividing line
I noticed that too. It's not by birthyear either, it's something else.
>It's not by birthyear either, it's something else.
Look up the writers for Forspoken. Every one of them looks like a liberal or a queer or british (redundant). That's the very obvious dividing line. It always has been, really, but it's only recently that liberal ideology has been twisted and subverted into a mockery of itself and been turned against western civilization and "whiteness" in general. And now they have no conservative shareholders or CEOs to tard wrangle them because all the original founders are retiring and everything is owned by israeliteRock now anyway.
> They were the coolest in the 90s, pushing video games to new heights
Didn't all of them get into constant spats with each other though? maybe that's what's missing from these modern games, the lack of actual workplace confrontation. Hell I remember reading that Kirkbride and Todd got into a screaming match over how high the werewolf should jump in Morrowind.
Most Original The Characters are wish fulfillment. They are tumblr girl nerds who are writing what they think someone cool sounds like. >I wish I was a pretty bipoc woman of color that could do magic and was unflappable and talked like buffy the vampire slayer
The MC is unironically a really good representation of modern day zoomers
>has le anxiety and depression
>self harms
>likes obnoxious quipping
>has to hide behind 3 levels of sarcasm and irony when talking
>flippant and self righteous
every random girl you would find on tumblr or twitter is the exact same
It's Generation X. Everything when right to shit once they got any semblance of power or authority. Everything that we like is written by boomers in their 70s.
Honestly my guess is some boomer higher ups thought they should market solely to influencer/hipster types and forced millennial writers to create some clusterfrick of half baked ideas and quirky characters based off of what they figured millennials liked. Not to mention out of touch Japanese heads of Square probably made some obscure demands. Big producers like Square don't just let creative teams off the leash, it's all focus groups and trends mashed into what they hope is a perfect storm of ideas. I highly doubt it was just one or two people's fault.
I think it's a side effect of being chronically online. Their chosen hugboxes like/upvote their vapid takes, which leads to them assuming that they're a fountain of wit and insight.
>thread is just nothing but old dudes complaining about the next gen for the sake of b***hing and moaning, much like their predecessors did >most thoughts thrown onto the thread are half-baked at best and correlates with mostly nothing
The ones that manage to get in the industry are brainwashed zogbots that have been conditioned to believe all works of art from past generations are bad and wrong. As such, any lessons that may have been learned are lost. This is how history repeats itself.
Millennials are such horrible writers because they spend all day watching anime,Super Hero movies, and going on FurAffinity and Tumblr instead of studying the essence of life and what makes a good human being with good motivation.
>'m about to turn 28
Hello zimzam. Sorry but you're going to have to accept that researchers put you as part of the worst generation in history. >t.26
At least I'm honest.
Zoomers are delusional if they think they are any better. Each of the living generations of the western world are trash. A generation that plays fartnite wants to act like they are the betters. Give me a fricking break.
For the majority of millennial writers, most likely the only media they consume is other video games, anime and Hollywood movies and they have no real hobbies other than consuming cheap content and no work experience outside the mainstream media industry.
In order to become a good writer you need actual life experience and read lots books. The average book, doesn't even need to be a masterpiece, still has a more detailed and well structured story than even the best video games, anime or movies.
Why yes I did co-write the much beloved After Earth and Star Wars: Rouge One and am now leading the writing crew on SE's newest masterpiece: Forspoken.
Zoomers are going to have this shitty writing style too. We aren't so different. You guys were babied, suffered no challenges in life and were indoctrinated by the woke propaganda. So don't act like you're somehow going to be the next greatest generation.
Honestly? That dialogue isn't even that bad: she just discovered she has magic powers and she's surprised. It just didn't need to last so fricking long.
This scene at the start of the game is much, much worse: https://youtu.be/gWqvdlwwKOs?t=342
>she literally says "shit, frick, shit" during gameplay >he's surprised that's a real line
Someone needs to 100% the game just to write all the lines down so we can use them as a weapon against the writers.
I think the inside of her mouth in that part is just a jpg texture. There's no reason for the weird dark purple colors when you can see the shadows in her hair right next to it. Completely different colors but there's 0 dept perception in her mouth.
I never realized how there's so much millennial envy from gen z in this thread. Explains a lot really.
Don't worry kiddos, maybe the ones after you will do worse!
Because, and it's very obvious once you see it >They have the internet to retreat in once someone criticizes their works, and even if it's 1 moron per town, that still stacks up to a community of 50,000 patting you on the back over your moronic works >Legal armchair fanatics will find a lawyer more than happy to charge out the ass per hour to drag anyone to court over mental duress or some shit >Corporations and companies are now (falsely) scared of PR backlash over squeaky wheels >Said companies are also being given tax breaks, HUGE tax breaks to line their writers room with colors and genders rather than talent. These people can't be fired once hired or it would be deemed "-ist" >Same review websites reviewing your work are also being payed in part by your overarching company >Review sites are able to delete reviews and amp up positive ones
And the best one of all
>The entire digital media industry is 100% unregulated by any semblance of a functioning system, so many companies flush funds in and out and focus more on the marketing of a god awful shit game, than the grassroots buildup of a good game since that can't equate to a guaranteed profit
>millennials actually lived in an age without internet.
Indeed we did. Be nice to
Because, and it's very obvious once you see it >They have the internet to retreat in once someone criticizes their works, and even if it's 1 moron per town, that still stacks up to a community of 50,000 patting you on the back over your moronic works >Legal armchair fanatics will find a lawyer more than happy to charge out the ass per hour to drag anyone to court over mental duress or some shit >Corporations and companies are now (falsely) scared of PR backlash over squeaky wheels >Said companies are also being given tax breaks, HUGE tax breaks to line their writers room with colors and genders rather than talent. These people can't be fired once hired or it would be deemed "-ist" >Same review websites reviewing your work are also being payed in part by your overarching company >Review sites are able to delete reviews and amp up positive ones
And the best one of all
>The entire digital media industry is 100% unregulated by any semblance of a functioning system, so many companies flush funds in and out and focus more on the marketing of a god awful shit game, than the grassroots buildup of a good game since that can't equate to a guaranteed profit
, he's a zoomer who doesn't even know the birth date years for the different generations, and is probably autistic to boot.
The fun part is that the all publicity is good publicity meme clearly isn't working anymore, people will only consume trashy modern shit if they don't have to pay for it (youtube, tiktok, music streaming in general), the second it becomes a business where you actively have to put your own money instead of your time nobody buys this crap and the lack of interest from a maintream audience is so blatant that is beyond me how in the world games like Callisto protocol had a budget of 100mil and that couldn't possibly be less reflected in the final product or in its marketing campaign that obviously failed.
Apparantly this hyperproduced crap is also meant to be taken seriously, like the woman that with no irony assumed that putting some black chick on the cover of an EA game was this act of rebellion, these people who work for the most mainstream shit imaginable actually see themselves as some kind of auteurs and they will never get how all their work is just the butt of a unsuccesful corporate joke
We aren't bad writers, the problem is that the writers that get hired for this kind of shit are literal morons...and diversity hires who did not make it based on merit.
I don't know but they really are. I've been irritated by this since Mass Effect. The writers for ME1 and 2 were GenX. The writers for ME3 was nearly all GenX with only a couple of millennials. ME1 and 2 had such profoundly sober characters. These were serious and mature characters. You could feel the weight of these characters lives in the dialog. You could sense the difficult times these characters lived through as well as the scars from the struggle to make it through those tough times. This was great writing, just great. ME3 still had some of that writing but there didn't seem to be a need or a willingness to deliver more character development.
ME4 Andromeda was all millennial writers. The characters in ME4 are as if written by low-IQ high school girls who come from wealthy families and had everything handed to them and never faced any adversity in their lives ever. The characters in ME4 are such shallow, vapid, juvenile dingbats and the dialogue is so amateur and unimaginative. Millennial women are just as bad as millennial men.
Boomers trying to act young is the cringiest shit I've ever witnessed. Everytime I see them trying to act young by parroting shit memes on tiktok or twitter, I have the urge to remind them that they are dying sacks of flesh and everyone will forget them because they brought nothing of value to society.
It's extremely formulaic and predictable. Frey's "character development" was an absolute joke too. She acts like a c**t 90% of the game then you get that drab sequence of flashbacks and she suddenly becomes a better person because "omg my mommy DID love me!". Please.
Yes. I reiterate: the actual plot is formulaic and predictable. Cuff being the big bad was clear from the very first conversation you have with him about the Tantas turning him into a cuff.
And it's hard to care about Amy Hennig's 3 line lore blurbs you find scattered across the open world when the open world itself is lifeless and generic.
Nothing was predictable or formulaic though
Nobody was even saying any such claim before release which debunks your whole "everyone could've of predicted it" claim
>Nothing was predictable or formulaic though
It's a fricking isekai plot. It's as formulaic as it gets. >before release
Well of course not, nobody knew anything yet. It's clear in the very first 5 minutes Frey converses with Cuff at the start of the game. Just like it's obvious from the very start that Frey was originally from Athia.
Gen X was like white guys at Bungie in 2006. Millinonininials are shitskins and women it is no wonder they are terrible game developers in general just as they are terrible at everything else
millennials are actually the last white generation. my graduating class in 2007 was 99% white with one token black kid and an asian exchange student which doesn't really count. my nephew's freshman class at that same high school last year was less than half white, literally invaded and infested by goblinoid beaners.
Most modern writers don't set out to make great stories, they endeavor to find ways to affirm themselves, to build a monument to their own "enlightened" ideals and insights.
>Sincerity is old hat, therefore everyone is irreverent and sarcastic >Characters are not people, simply vessels for specific ideas or archetypes >Societal related "issues" are shoehorned in not because the writer wants to bring change, but so they can communicate that they like the idea of bringing change, which secures them a favorable impression among certain social groups >Creative decisions like making the protagonist black are calculated, and not arrived at organically
These kind of writers don't care about writing a good story, they care about about constructing showcases for their wit and ideals.
Overrated honestly and ruined by all the sequels and Ragnar's massive mentally ill angloid beliefs.
All the credit for TLJ honestly belongs to whoever was the background artist.
>company employs writers for years >a suit at Square gets a call from blackrock saying they're not doing that well on the esg score so you know what they need? >long story short you have elderly people write a story about people they dont relate to, care about, know about in an isekai because all the zoomies love isekai anime
-Yes SE there? I know you're making FF16 which won't have any PoC so your points are dangerously low...
-You heard about our game, Forspoken?
-No, why..
-... main character is an orphan black girl.
-Good, good, proceed...
shame they forgot about the part where isekai anime is popular because it's an ambiguosly light-skinned man escaping the shitty diversity clown world we have into a world of only white people, where he's the center of attention for all the hot big titty white women.
I'd say it's women (and less capable minorities) hitting critical mass. For the past few decades new writers have been less competent and often genuinely stupid and tasteless, but the older generation were still active and able to apply some standard of taste and good execution.
Millennial and younger writers are also very unlikely to consume literature from earlier than 1990 or so, and the dominance of multicultural thinking leaves them without depth of knowledge in any culture at all.
They write themselves into it and they're disgusting to anyone outside of cali. The characters remind you of every corpo boot licking caligay onions latte drinking privileged phone absorbed narcissists out there.
Because they write archetypes, not characters. They don't write about John, the 38 year old guy, they write about the "Black/Female/Strong/Independant" MC.
they fired her a year later because siege of dragonqueer flopped lmao. in any case they really need to stop hiring these delusional, mentally ill californians in the first place.
>i will disenfranchise the main player group, making them the go to villains >i will shoehorn characters that make absolutely no sense in the setting >i will ignore reality and replace it with my own, for political reasons >FRICK YOU FOR NOTICING!!!! >also it's a good thing
These morons are actually doing a disservice to minorities, by hammering them down on stories in a nonsensical way and making them mary-sues ,while portraying them as eternal victims at the same time.
Untalented hacks, using politics as cover.
>These morons are actually doing a disservice to minorities
Frankly I find it extremely racist that liberal white women think they have any authority at all to depict minorities or their culture, and I'm amazed that nobody ever calls them out on it and replaces them with actual minority writers in these pozzed companies.
No one running these companies or making these decisions is a Millennial.
Millennials have no cultural power at all, because Boomers shut them out of everything.
Black person, all video game stories are shit don't give me that crap
I fricking love baldur's gate but because I enjoy character building and power progression but the story is fricking garbage and the characters are all borderline moronic
the same is true of all games frick you
However modern games for some unknowable reason have decided to include ugly people which nobody wants
I disagree with baldur's gate having a shit story, but it is very true that the story doesn't particularly matter if your gameplay is fun and you have attractive characters. I would prefer a game to have all three, but I ugly people--physically and ideologically-- injected in the game is probably the only actual deal breaker. most people play video games to escape a real world full of ugly women, minorities and fringelibs. we don't want to see them in games as well, and we aren't going to buy games with them in it.
Lack of discipline and hubris. They believe 2000 years of narrative theory and techniques don`t apply to them, that they can do better and that subverting expectations is good. They also don`t know how to handle subtext and have the subtlety of a sledge hammer.
The absolute oldest millennials have only just turned 40. Most are in their 30s, with the youngest in their late 20s. Every video game you hate and SEETHE at daily was written by people aged 50+
I think it's more the gameplay's fault than the writers.
In a movie bullshit lines like "OH DID I JUST DO THAT" have a purpose, and while not exactly shakespeare you can get away with funny quips.
In a game the player has agency. So if the gameplay doesn't reflect the dialogue, it's an immediate disassociation and break in immersion.
Like you don't celebrate after pressing the signal button and crossing an empty street. What does get your heart pumping is crossing a 4 lane highway with hundreds of cars going 120mph.
So ideally you wouldn't even need dialogue like this. Ideally the player themselves would say "holy fricking shit that was awesome".
But that requires competent game devs. It requires thinking about level design and that "HL2 bridge feeling".
The ones who would become writers grew up in a time where everything Is a story but nothing are experiences.
They grew up in a time of mutually assured destruction, so no big wars, no actual danger to them, and no understanding of the concept. Everything has been safeguarded for them better than any generation before. This effects genZ just as much if not more.
Most conflicts lose their nuance and become character slates for the fanfiction writers
>instead of 2 people from families of decades old war and conflict with eachother coming together amidst the families best wishes because of the strength of their love.
It ends up being >2 people get together but the parents don't like it but they also seem to be ok with it at the end because they have been "changed"
Or it's like with conflict where >Britain decides to join the war to protect Belgium from Germany causing 40,000 more men to die, because pride (does our word mean nothing), fear (if we don't uphold our treaty, then nobody will take up seriously in the future), and self interest (if we win it will put us st the very top of the world stage)
Instead it ends up being >we went to war to protect Belgium from the evil Germans because it's the right thing to do
Tldr. Almost all writers know stories, but don't understand the concept that causes it.
Because they feel the need to inject their relatable, quirky, nihilist humor into everything.
They were raised on sitcom reruns, proto-homosexualry in the mainstream culture, and have been over-socialized without any exposure to classical literature
You sound extremely intelligent, care to share the last five things you read?
Halo: First Strike, Diary of a Wimpy Kid, Artemis Fowl, Gears of War: Aspho Fields, crime and Punishment.
Respect
Four classics and a novel that is both a crime and a punishment.
https://www.theblackgirlgamers.com/
They were credited in the game.
What for?
I thought trannies like blackies
no.
only when their on the right side.
They cancel each other and nobody wins even when either of them are in the right
they're all hypocrites
you posted a troony
>that pic
So women?
They aren't trying to write a character, they are writing a mouthpiece.
They cannot produce something sincere and confident in itself
the wrong types of people are in charge of making video games regardless of generation
no meaningful life experience to draw on, massively over-inflated egos, and ideological poisoning from all of the people who were supposed to be taking care of them as children.
This. I don't know why anyone expects them to be even remotely decent considering the environment they grew up in. People are products of their environment and their environment has been "everyone is equal" globohomosexual propaganda since the day they were born.
If you are OLDER than millennials (37 years old) and still browse this board, you have no right to critisize anything and are an old fricking loser tbh.
we made this site, moron. it's our site. you're the interloper who doesn't belong.
There’s your answer plus mine now go get raped by muggers
>millennials
The writers are in their 50s.
This. And they're trying to write dialogue for 25 year old characters in content aimed at 15 year olds.
Holy shit they fricking are. What the frick is this man
Sounds like a very bad case of how do you do fellow kids, which is likely even worse
They don't read books. They read Twitter.
First generation who didn't read books.
Name the last 5 books you read guys. Or you're just as bad. Don't say game of thrones.
lotr trilogy
the rats in the walls
silmarillion
A few of terry pratchetts books, neil gaimans american gods, Fricking anne karenina frick that shit sucked, uhhh and I think the second book the freakonomics guys did.
Now whats my prize?
get some taste holy shit
Ok list what you've read.
Point of the exercise is you have to name the last five.
>Flux
>Timelike Infinity
>Raft
>Sundiver
>Elder Race
Throwing out somesuch and this one is a failure.
Moby dick
The Silmarillion
The Shadow of the Torturer
Industrial society and its future
Uncensored Fairy Tales by the Brothers Grimm.
I'm not schizophrenic, I promise.
The name of the Wind
Rommel (biography)
Fevre Dream
Books of Blood
And a bunch of terry pretchett novels.
5 trashy fantasy novels. Got all of the tsr forgotten realms and Krynn books on a kindle. Also the SW EU.
i love that shit. i've got every forgotten realms book released before like 2014, and also a massive collection of dragonlance, all the xanth books, disc world, etc. luv me some fun, easy fantasy.
Yeah it's great, I've noticed that I'm more into the older ones, like 80s and 90s. I still bought them past that at the time but now going through them I'll find that I just drop the later books like fifty pages in more and more.
Xanth was my jam and I hate puns.
Theodore Sturgeon collected work vol. 2
The Sheep Look Up by John Brunner (best anti-American novel I've read)
The World Inside by Robert Silverberg
Voyage to Arcturus by David Lindsay
Camp Concentration by Thomas Disch
>vapid shit-stirring bot thread
Ganker(nel) is dead
Because it was written by boomers, voice acted by millennials, trying to attract the zoomer audience.
Anyone born in 1999-2005 is millinenial, sooooo probably raised by internet humour. Which is just xanax'd 90's humour
you're thinking of zoomers. millennials were born in 81-96
>millennials were born in 81-96
>15 year range
Boomers were born from the mid-forties to the mid-sixties, so yes.
Someone who is 15 years old and someone who is 30 years old aren't from the same generation, they grew up in completely different times, what the frick are you morons on about.
You're thinking about generations in too literal of a sense.
There is no difference from the world in 2002 and the world in 2022 other than an increase in technology and surveillance.
Are children in playgrounds still a thing
Yes.
2002 and 2022 are nothing alike. Even someone from 2012 would be shocked at the state of society.
>I wasn't around in 2002, or even if I was, my formative years were the 2010's
That's all I'm reading.
Society as a whole was VERY different in the early 2000's, at least in the west.
in general, not just west
hell even 4chins in 2006 is different from 2010's and 2020's
It's like mandrama: anything somewhat tolerable you saw in the early 2000s was remnants from the 90s.
As soon as that dried up, culture died.
Lol, lmao even. In 2000 less than 20% of black New Yorkers reported racism as a problem in the city. Now over 80% say it is a problem. Way to out yourself as a zoomer.
ayyyy, that's how I used to shoot the bosses in House of the Dead.
>black people finally found the problem
I don't see the problem here racist anon
2002
>people still believed following their dreams and studying anything in college would get them a good job and a good life
>everyone believed they would probably own a home even if they didn't have a degree but at least worked hard (and no not some shack in rural Alabama)
>college age kids were not obsessed with politics or things like gender
>politics was largely seen as uncool and would only get attention near a big election
>You could still rent an apartment in most cities and would only need room mates if you worked part time only
>most people still believed they could truly afford to have children
>people believed that future generations would have an even better life than their own
>people that made video games kind of just made what they thought would be fun and sell and didn't give a shit about trying to appease every wrong demographic in the world at once
It was a very different time but it can be summed up as "people had hope for the future still"
>eople still believed following their dreams and studying anything in college would get them a good job and a good life
Maybe before 9/11, but once that happened, there was this crushing sense of nihilism that took over, that we're still stuck in today.
There was that short wave of near-McCarthy nationalism for a bit.
the war became routine after awhile but the 2008 recession is something the middle class never really recovered from.
2002 was edgy, patriotic and violent. Gang and chav culture was glorified, humour was South Park Plus, muslims were the enemy of mankind, and it was our duty to kill freedom hating non-whites. Gay was an insult, and trannies did not exist. Video games were going online and everyone was calling each other Black folk and homosexuals.
And then we grew up, got jobs, and realized all that shit was stupid.
>t. a zoomer born in 2002
You have no idea what you're talking about, moron.
I tell you this as a 35 year old lich:
2002 and 2022 are incomparable. Hell, the 90s feel like an alternate dimension by now. Once you gain another 10 years you will hopefully become aware of the world changing and twisting around you. Every good thing must be snuffed out, every pinch of innocence corrupted. Believe Nikola Tesla when he said that you will witness manmade horrors beyond your comprehension. Your only hope is to never give up on the last shreds of goodness and hopefully pass it on.
What a dumbass
you can't just make up your own shit. you can literally look it up online. quit being a fricking moron
>anon realizes that the current concept of generations is downright moronic
It's only useful for online identity wars.
Yes anon that's how generations work. Right now Gen A's oldest is in their 15's
My bad. Clicked on wrong thing
this
Do you even know what a millennial is? Stupid fricking zoomer.
Its been gen x, en y, gen z, milennial since they made up these stupid generations you screen brains need to label everything with
not my fault misinformation twisted it and everyone obsessed with it into gen-schizo
What are you trying to communicate ELS-kun?
2000 onward is zoomer territory gramps
Zoomers even pretend to be older because they know being associated with their generation is atrocious. It's hilarious.
Nah, late 90's is the start. But right now we're in Gen A.
>larping as a millennial
we really do live in the ashes of civilization.
Don't look at me, ask zoomers who pretend they're "part of the club".
My generaiton right now isn't wasting money on parasocial relationships.
All my favorite writers don't get hired because they don't hate the IP enough. So agencies don't hire them. It is what it is. Work with indie people. They have money and will let you actually work.
Our generation is just terrible. They’re all cutting their dicks off and writing bad fanfiction
maladjusted development.
zoomers were born in the internet. x'ers were born outside of the internet.
being born in the middle of a huge social shift made all the millenials into social robotic tards who can't connect with anyone.
Wow I’d harbor a lot of hatred and mishaps without proper outside
It was pretty cool growing up when the world changed massively with every passing year between 1997-2009. Zoomers will never know this.
Zoomers are fricked for every future thing, good luck autism gay.
Happens that they dont like to read they just think they can come up with stories and make it work
>what are zoomers into
>okay let's make a game about that it'll sell like fortnite
Why is OP such a huge homosexual
Ay ay ay cracka chill n shit aight
Because you morons are too busy
shitposting about everything instead of giving your true feelings on on things
Nobody wants to invest in something new and risk it being a flop so only hacks that can regurgitate existing IP's find work in the media industry. It's not that creativity is dead and buried, capitalism just won't allow it.
Bad writing is not new. What is new is how much emphasis is being placed on the writing in video games these days so how bad the writing is is becoming more and more obvious.
Although, there is the problem where millennials do seem to think being obnoxious and needlessly combative are admirable character traits. I can only assume it's because they themselves are obnoxious and needlessly combative and don't realize how unlikable that makes them.
>some type of writing and humor
I sense some hypocrisy from Ganker
You have to be a special kind of moronic to put forspoken and hi-fi rush in the same context.
GenX’s defining element of their existence was good vidya. Before them, the silent Gen invented them. Then Boomers did some hit and miss and created a niche nerd culture thing, then GenXers made video games into what we think of them and the AAA title, Halo 2, modern warfare, etc. Then Millennials have sunk it. Maybe zoomers will resurrect it. Obviously it’s more complicated than that with blackrock and everyone who’s in charge of society is trying their best to kill the culture and force it to hold status quo because if not it’ll turn into 24/7 Ye / Hitler Phonk edits and so on. But older millennials are too much like their parents, they’re train wreck of a generation. But older zoomers and young millennials largely have GenX parents so maybe we can replicate the magic, given the chance. Millennials are too interested in their own perception of how people see them and are rebelling constantly against a social order that has been nearly wiped out, thinking they’re sticking it to the man by going around “EXUSE ME SWEETY BUT WHAT THE FRICKING FRICK FRICK DO YOU FRICKING THINK YOU ARE FRICKING DOING???” Their constant absurd vulgarity shows a lot about them, there’s something so offensive when weak men and women curse and are vulgar, turns my stomach the same way seeing two gay homies kissing or maggots on a corpse.
Forspoken was written by Gen Xers trying to be "fellow kids" with Millennials whom themselves are mostly in their 30s now.
I can't believe the "you sound like a serial killer" scene was forshadowing
This is the writer of the script
jesus christ now that's an ugly b***h
I vote sure. I definitely think it's important and everybody should. But it's so cringe when people wear stickers or buttons to showcase they did the absolute bare minimum of their civic duty.
I used to believe that until I encountered people who don't vote
Those are usually the ones who complain the most about "le corrupt government"
Good thing you're voting to help us change that!
voting wont help that
>we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas.
cant unsee.
la escritora
They never read actual books as kids and all of their source material comes from poorly written cartoons, movies, and social media which has perpetuated a post-ironic culture where now nothing can be serious and everything has to end in some shit-tier quip
Does anyone here have any good book recomendations outlining the causes and effects of post ironic culture?
Laugh it up zoomies. Wait until your illiterate generation is writing and everyone speaks like an actual moron.
no cap fr fr dat shit be bussin
Because they are positively reinforced for creating products for mass consumption. It's not a generational issue it's a normie issue. You can't fix the forces that keep rewarding James Cameron. The masses are incapable of manifesting transcendent art. Same shit applies to the broken system that is democracy. The only recipe for excellence are visionaries not sycophants or cultural climbers.
Yeah I agree, It seems like the only people who can take something that exists and run with it is either one of these very few individuals with the Midas touch or some obsessive fan who is beyond everyone else. Anything in between seems to be a death sentence for any existing IP
skin diamond lookin ass homie
>Cherry picks shit.
>Why are all X bad Y.
lol
You pathetic millenitards also wrote this.
you are like reddit: the generation
Rick and Morty and social media as a whole has really destroyed comedy.
No, Joss Whedon destroyed comedy. It was relegated to either garbage LIKE Rick and Morty/Family guy, or quirky, quippy, sarcastic heroes raising their eyebrows and smirking in life-threatening situations. Pure comedy, classic comedy, is dead.
Whedon was case zero, but the problem goes further than that; the issue is that people aped him without having the required wranglers that stop the writing from constantly murdering the tone.
There’s a reason why Buffy, on discovering her mother’s corpse, is clearly shattered rather than saying some inane shit like
>well I guess she’s been stiffed this time!
And that reason is the five other people with veto power reeling him in before he had the chance.
google tells me the writer is in his 20's, so he's a zoomer
>person is in their 20s so they are a zoomer
are you a moron
>alec robbins date of birth: April 12 1988
he's 32 you fricking dunce
1988 is 34-35, anon...
good God what year is it?
He's stuck in 2020, pity him.
That's how old I am
I really feel that's just Justin Roiland and his teams specific type of humor much in the same way Family Guy/American Dad is mostly just Seth McFarlane's brand of humor. Don't just lump all millennials in one group because a thing got popular. Big Bang Theory was a successful sitcom and I've literally never heard anyone but boomers like it despite it definitely aimed towards younger audiences.
I uh, i liked Big Bang Theory.
It's pretty low brow humor. But dont feel bad, I mean I liked Friends when I was younger but it's easy to see now how devoid of real substance that show is.
zoomers are even more pozzed than millennials. why do zoomers deny that?
Like I said, they enjoy sucking the wiener of the ones that's whipping them.
They're afraid for the setting to take itself seriously because they might get shit on by critics and they're pissed they're not writing a movie or whatever passion project they'd like to do that they consider real art. Their fear and contempt manifests as lol so quirky winking at the audience humor with a dressing of contemporary politics and memes that'll age like milk. In other words they're hacks.
>Why are millennials such terrible writers?
Lack of hardships in life.
>The game's writing team includesGary Whitta,Amy Hennig, Allison Rymer, andTodd Stashwick.[8][11]
homie, these are all Gen Xers picrel is one of them. They are trying to write a caricutre of an early 2010s Millennial but doing it sincerely. Reminder that out of touch Gen Xers are the ones who are rebooting, woking and shitting up franchises like Star Wars. Stuff that Boomers created.
This is an older generation trying to write a younger one and predictably failing. Call me when Millennials seriously write a no cap fr fr bussin zoomer character. Frick Gen X.
Seems like it's just a zoomer like OP trying to pull a blame game. So standard business.
I'm really sick and tired of the fact that everyone tries to give Gen X this pass and either blame everything on Boomers or Millennials, when Gen X are woke as frick and are the ones currently making all of these horrible decisions.
Gen x is by far the smallest generation numbers wise...even less than boomers. They were the first generation where a good portion of them were born unplanned due to the sexual revolution. Numbers wise, gen x pales in comparison to boomers, milennials, and zoomers.
There’s some kind of weird dividing line with GenXers. Maybe they’re when the culture officially began to shatter into a ton of subcultures, but all the GenXers are all either pretty good and reasonable or they’re just boomers who turn everything they touch to shit. Boomers are all carbon copies of each other, millennials are largely the same until you get into the younger ones, then zoomers are mostly unpredictable. maybe the distinction is in who raised them, some GenXers have boomer parents but most have Silent Gen ones. Some of the last normal people I know in life are GenXers and young millennials / zoomers. That line of totally zogged up people are total disasters. The Goyest Gen had the boomers, boomers had millennials, and millennials had late zoomers and are having Gen Alphas, but the zoomers with millennial parents are horrible. The best people I know are Silent Gen, GenX, and young millennial and older zoomers
Gen Xers are the ones who are mass producing all the 80s nostalgia slop like Wonder Woman 84 and the wokefied Star Wars sequels. Gen X creatives for the last decade are primarily known for taking stuff from their childhood that was created by Boomers and older and completely detroying it. Reminder that picrel is a Gen Xer reacting to slop made by Gen Xers.
The suits, CEOs, politicians etc who have been pushing for diversity and pozzing everything aren't Millennials, they are by far mostly Gen X. Gen X is also the first generation of parents to enmass mutilate their kids into trannies.
There are 66 million Gen Xers compared to 70 million Boomers.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/797321/us-population-by-generation/
Relatively, that difference is almost nothing. What your comment is regurgitaring is the common Gen X excuse to weasel out of the blame of what they've been doing for over a decade now. Listening to them, you'd think Gen X is some super secret club of a few chosen ones. In reality, they are a normal sized generation who have been at the forefront of pozzing up society for over a decade now and they will only get more powerful in future.
But I guess we're supposed to not pay attention to that because Gen X are so grunge and rebelious and would never do that
I'm so fricking sick of millennials getting blamed for shit. Very few of us are in positions of power.
like I said earlier most of these are zoomers slurping that corporate wiener
The issue with millenials is that they are possibly the very first generation of true current day “sjw”.
I remember even in the mid 00s, saying “that’s gay” was mostly tolerated but some kids were already saying that’s not nice and how bigoted it is.
I am a 31 year old millenial.
Nah, most sjws are college shit
Here's what's nice about growing up in bumfrick nowhere
I was saying to cut out that gay shit until 2015.
Frick you citynigs and your wokegay shit.
I remember calling things gay and moronic back in the early 2000s, and there was always that one gay moron who objected, but we called him a gay moron to his face and he shut up about it. Now the issue is more that those gay morons hide online and get jobs as e-"journalists" and aren't bullied enough irl so they never learn to shut the frick up and know their place in the real world.
gen x here,
frick Black folk
frick troons
frick israelites
frick millenials
and above all else
frick boomers
whatever
>Amy Hennig
how the mighty have fallen
>Call me when Millennials seriously write a no cap fr fr bussin zoomer character.
...Chai?
no he's an american cartoon character from 2000s
>Amy Hennig
1964 makes her a late boomer.
Also, what happened to Gen X? They were the coolest in the 90s, pushing video games to new heights.
>dividing line
I noticed that too. It's not by birthyear either, it's something else.
>It's not by birthyear either, it's something else.
Look up the writers for Forspoken. Every one of them looks like a liberal or a queer or british (redundant). That's the very obvious dividing line. It always has been, really, but it's only recently that liberal ideology has been twisted and subverted into a mockery of itself and been turned against western civilization and "whiteness" in general. And now they have no conservative shareholders or CEOs to tard wrangle them because all the original founders are retiring and everything is owned by israeliteRock now anyway.
> They were the coolest in the 90s, pushing video games to new heights
Didn't all of them get into constant spats with each other though? maybe that's what's missing from these modern games, the lack of actual workplace confrontation. Hell I remember reading that Kirkbride and Todd got into a screaming match over how high the werewolf should jump in Morrowind.
>maybe that's what's missing from these modern games, the lack of actual workplace confrontation.
it's the total lack of testosterone in general, yea.
Most Original The Characters are wish fulfillment. They are tumblr girl nerds who are writing what they think someone cool sounds like.
>I wish I was a pretty bipoc woman of color that could do magic and was unflappable and talked like buffy the vampire slayer
The MC is unironically a really good representation of modern day zoomers
>has le anxiety and depression
>self harms
>likes obnoxious quipping
>has to hide behind 3 levels of sarcasm and irony when talking
>flippant and self righteous
every random girl you would find on tumblr or twitter is the exact same
More like someone breezed through TikTok for a week and saw what zoomers and Gen X were constantly regurgitating and decided to emulate that.
It's Generation X. Everything when right to shit once they got any semblance of power or authority. Everything that we like is written by boomers in their 70s.
Why are zoomies angry at millennials? Envy?
They think the aging E-celeb losers on they see on Twitter represent an entire generation
from what I've seen most eceleb parasites are late millennials/zoomers themselves
if not them, then who? millennials certainly haven't had anyone else stand up and claim their culture.
Nothing is sincere. Everything is ironic.
Honestly my guess is some boomer higher ups thought they should market solely to influencer/hipster types and forced millennial writers to create some clusterfrick of half baked ideas and quirky characters based off of what they figured millennials liked. Not to mention out of touch Japanese heads of Square probably made some obscure demands. Big producers like Square don't just let creative teams off the leash, it's all focus groups and trends mashed into what they hope is a perfect storm of ideas. I highly doubt it was just one or two people's fault.
Because they are stupid and politically indoctrinated.
Those are zoomers anon.
They had terrible teachers?
they have never had a real challenge in their lives. and because of that the stories ring hollow.
As they say, zoomies seething right now.
Millenial spotted
Proud of it, baby.
Now go suck off a corpo.
Ironic
>zoomer uses words he doesn't use
of course
>we millenials aren't corpo suckers I swear
No, the most we do are, as you people say, "consoomers".
Millennials are the the most cringe and gay generation alive right now. Like your generational culture is abominable.
Zoomers are literally the gayest generation, dude.
Something like 1 in 5 Gen Z adults identify as LGBT, more than any generation before them.
not to mention older gay people absolutely detest younger ones
That's okay, you haven't seen the horror that awaits you with gen A.
I'd like some hope, since I thought the parasocial audiences were Gen A but turns out they were mostly zoomies.
Joss Pox, and it's terminal.
did the writer's strike frick things up that badly? I feel like the ripple effects are still being felt ever since.
If I was to guess there was a trade off, better work conditions for writers but less creative control.
I think it's a side effect of being chronically online. Their chosen hugboxes like/upvote their vapid takes, which leads to them assuming that they're a fountain of wit and insight.
stop describing your age group
They write to check boxes, not to make a story.
>thread is just nothing but old dudes complaining about the next gen for the sake of b***hing and moaning, much like their predecessors did
>most thoughts thrown onto the thread are half-baked at best and correlates with mostly nothing
It's just AAA emulating Hollywood trends far too late and aggressively, that's all.
This is also Square Enix, who aside from FF14 have not been doing well nor making good decisions are a good while now.
FF ended with 9, every one since then has been jank and/or boring.
SE is doubling down on their NFT shit too, so it really is just a case of higher ups being particularly out of touch.
I don't think it's a problem that SE has committed $1 billion to NFT projects over the next 5 years.
how come Yshotla Rhul looks good with individually drawn teeth but this Black person aint? whats the key?
Wasn't this made by Square Enix? Are the writers Western?
Directors
>Takeshi Aramaki
>Takefumi Terada
Producers
>Raio Mitsuno
>Gabriel Moszkowski
>Akio Ofuji
Writers
>Todd Stashwick
>Allison Rymer
>Gary Whitta
>Amy Hennig
Composers
>Bear McCreary
>Garry Schyman
Why would they do this?
because millanial
japanese boomers
This is an actual question. I'd upvote anyone explaining what the frick is going on at square enix, and why are they trying to westernise themselves.
I like anime and anime tropes, why can't Japs just keep doing that? Improve and innovate ofc, but why try to become western wtf.
I've thought about this too. Westerners tend to be better engineers, japs better artists.
It should be the other way around. I would love for Western devs to make games written by Japs.
This never would have happened had Tabata stayed.
Sakaguchi would've been better.
Tabata was cancer. Literally wrote and directed some of the worst that Square had to offer. I have never been so happy to see someone go.
the only thing tabata ever wrote was some world setting parts of type0 before other writers wrote the actual plot and nothing else ever
but the man has balls and wouldn't allow his division to turn into western pandering shit if he were still incharge
exactly.
Don't pretend like you zoomers aren't going to be any less shitty of generation.
>Why are millennials such terrible writers?
>millennials
The ones that manage to get in the industry are brainwashed zogbots that have been conditioned to believe all works of art from past generations are bad and wrong. As such, any lessons that may have been learned are lost. This is how history repeats itself.
>millennials bad!
>proceed to absolutely show otherwise
>while spilling themselves
every time. you'd think zoomies would learn by now.
theyve been indoctrinated by the indoors and "content made for them" so all they know is cartoonish overreaction and shallow reference.
veganas don't look like that
Millennials are such horrible writers because they spend all day watching anime,Super Hero movies, and going on FurAffinity and Tumblr instead of studying the essence of life and what makes a good human being with good motivation.
again, the writers are in their 30's-50's.
People in their 30's are Millennials.
Even forty but not fifty which is the age of most writers of this trash fire.
Just 50s
the writers are gen xers you dumb zoomie
50's is genX
Millennials are in their 30s-40s
Zoomers are in their late 20s
Gen Alpha are in their mid-teens.
So which generation do you hate the most?
Black person, oldest zoomers are mid 20s 27 - 29 are still Millennials. Just late ones. I'm about to turn 28 and zoomers are another species to me
You are a zoomer nowhere near millenial gen
>'m about to turn 28
Hello zimzam. Sorry but you're going to have to accept that researchers put you as part of the worst generation in history.
>t.26
At least I'm honest.
Zoomers are delusional if they think they are any better. Each of the living generations of the western world are trash. A generation that plays fartnite wants to act like they are the betters. Give me a fricking break.
>Why are millennials such terrible writers?
For the majority of millennial writers, most likely the only media they consume is other video games, anime and Hollywood movies and they have no real hobbies other than consuming cheap content and no work experience outside the mainstream media industry.
In order to become a good writer you need actual life experience and read lots books. The average book, doesn't even need to be a masterpiece, still has a more detailed and well structured story than even the best video games, anime or movies.
>already proven wrong
>they still dig deeper
yup, zoomers
Why yes I did co-write the much beloved After Earth and Star Wars: Rouge One and am now leading the writing crew on SE's newest masterpiece: Forspoken.
he didn't write the story he only wrote the lore
@626091824
disingenuous mass replying Black person
so middle-aged and elderly people are incapable of writing good works all of a sudden?
>zoomer gets exposed
>suddenly breaks down
lmao
Will Gen A be better than their predecessors?
Zoomers are going to have this shitty writing style too. We aren't so different. You guys were babied, suffered no challenges in life and were indoctrinated by the woke propaganda. So don't act like you're somehow going to be the next greatest generation.
>Foreskin threads
Is that real in-game screenshot?
Yep.
I think the actress is cute. Too bad that mo cap tech ruins it.
It's not the motion cap, it's the face-scan. Only Kojimbo can do it right.
I'm convinced that animators just have no idea how to rig up faces correctly.
Afraid so. It's during that awful "I just moved shit with my freaking MIND!" cutscene.
AND THAT'S A REAL LINE?
See for yourself
Honestly? That dialogue isn't even that bad: she just discovered she has magic powers and she's surprised. It just didn't need to last so fricking long.
This scene at the start of the game is much, much worse: https://youtu.be/gWqvdlwwKOs?t=342
>she literally says "shit, frick, shit" during gameplay
>he's surprised that's a real line
Someone needs to 100% the game just to write all the lines down so we can use them as a weapon against the writers.
I think the inside of her mouth in that part is just a jpg texture. There's no reason for the weird dark purple colors when you can see the shadows in her hair right next to it. Completely different colors but there's 0 dept perception in her mouth.
Post-irony poisoning. Also, they don't read books.
because they self-insert of the character and most writers are unlikable c**ts.
because they grew up playing video games
born into the post-ironic consumerist hellscape
everything they do is possibly permanent now, so they can't ever commit to something lest a twitter snip ends their fricking life
I never realized how there's so much millennial envy from gen z in this thread. Explains a lot really.
Don't worry kiddos, maybe the ones after you will do worse!
Because, and it's very obvious once you see it
>They have the internet to retreat in once someone criticizes their works, and even if it's 1 moron per town, that still stacks up to a community of 50,000 patting you on the back over your moronic works
>Legal armchair fanatics will find a lawyer more than happy to charge out the ass per hour to drag anyone to court over mental duress or some shit
>Corporations and companies are now (falsely) scared of PR backlash over squeaky wheels
>Said companies are also being given tax breaks, HUGE tax breaks to line their writers room with colors and genders rather than talent. These people can't be fired once hired or it would be deemed "-ist"
>Same review websites reviewing your work are also being payed in part by your overarching company
>Review sites are able to delete reviews and amp up positive ones
And the best one of all
>The entire digital media industry is 100% unregulated by any semblance of a functioning system, so many companies flush funds in and out and focus more on the marketing of a god awful shit game, than the grassroots buildup of a good game since that can't equate to a guaranteed profit
anon, millennials actually lived in an age without internet. you're literally describing late millennial/gen z era
>millennials actually lived in an age without internet.
Indeed we did. Be nice to
, he's a zoomer who doesn't even know the birth date years for the different generations, and is probably autistic to boot.
ise he also
The fun part is that the all publicity is good publicity meme clearly isn't working anymore, people will only consume trashy modern shit if they don't have to pay for it (youtube, tiktok, music streaming in general), the second it becomes a business where you actively have to put your own money instead of your time nobody buys this crap and the lack of interest from a maintream audience is so blatant that is beyond me how in the world games like Callisto protocol had a budget of 100mil and that couldn't possibly be less reflected in the final product or in its marketing campaign that obviously failed.
Apparantly this hyperproduced crap is also meant to be taken seriously, like the woman that with no irony assumed that putting some black chick on the cover of an EA game was this act of rebellion, these people who work for the most mainstream shit imaginable actually see themselves as some kind of auteurs and they will never get how all their work is just the butt of a unsuccesful corporate joke
No imagination
They're literally boomers what the frick are smoking.
I am still confused because all the "millennials" shit zoomers here keep peddling are only applicable to gen z.
>finally put a cute black girl in a game
>it's a sfricking steaming pile
Why do they model them off real people now? New Resident Evil also sucks because of this.
I'd be fine with nu-Ashley if they'd have at least left her fricking CLOTHING the same. She's now Ashley in name only.
We aren't bad writers, the problem is that the writers that get hired for this kind of shit are literal morons...and diversity hires who did not make it based on merit.
Imagine this game but with an attractive black girl
frey in game is hotter than that sid the sloth looking freak
>Why are millennials such terrible writers?
I don't know but they really are. I've been irritated by this since Mass Effect. The writers for ME1 and 2 were GenX. The writers for ME3 was nearly all GenX with only a couple of millennials. ME1 and 2 had such profoundly sober characters. These were serious and mature characters. You could feel the weight of these characters lives in the dialog. You could sense the difficult times these characters lived through as well as the scars from the struggle to make it through those tough times. This was great writing, just great. ME3 still had some of that writing but there didn't seem to be a need or a willingness to deliver more character development.
ME4 Andromeda was all millennial writers. The characters in ME4 are as if written by low-IQ high school girls who come from wealthy families and had everything handed to them and never faced any adversity in their lives ever. The characters in ME4 are such shallow, vapid, juvenile dingbats and the dialogue is so amateur and unimaginative. Millennial women are just as bad as millennial men.
Andromeda's writers were born in the 70s idiot
>zoomers again not knowing ages
God I hope Gen A is better than them.
>le 55 yr old Millennial
they didn't go through any real hardships
Boomers trying to act young is the cringiest shit I've ever witnessed. Everytime I see them trying to act young by parroting shit memes on tiktok or twitter, I have the urge to remind them that they are dying sacks of flesh and everyone will forget them because they brought nothing of value to society.
Those aren't boomers though they are Gen X.
Boomers are all in their 60s now.
Gen X can't write for shit because all the good artists gave up their passion to survive in the boomer world where talent isn't appreciated.
The story is actually pretty good
Just some lines are cringe but its no more cringe than like FF7R dialog.
It's extremely formulaic and predictable. Frey's "character development" was an absolute joke too. She acts like a c**t 90% of the game then you get that drab sequence of flashbacks and she suddenly becomes a better person because "omg my mommy DID love me!". Please.
I'm talking about the actual plot and the world of athia story too
Did you play it?
Yes. I reiterate: the actual plot is formulaic and predictable. Cuff being the big bad was clear from the very first conversation you have with him about the Tantas turning him into a cuff.
And it's hard to care about Amy Hennig's 3 line lore blurbs you find scattered across the open world when the open world itself is lifeless and generic.
Nothing was predictable or formulaic though
Nobody was even saying any such claim before release which debunks your whole "everyone could've of predicted it" claim
>Nothing was predictable or formulaic though
It's a fricking isekai plot. It's as formulaic as it gets.
>before release
Well of course not, nobody knew anything yet. It's clear in the very first 5 minutes Frey converses with Cuff at the start of the game. Just like it's obvious from the very start that Frey was originally from Athia.
that's some high as frick jheri curl homie trying to kiss you
because they're diversity quota hires and not there on merit.
Gen X was like white guys at Bungie in 2006. Millinonininials are shitskins and women it is no wonder they are terrible game developers in general just as they are terrible at everything else
millennials are actually the last white generation. my graduating class in 2007 was 99% white with one token black kid and an asian exchange student which doesn't really count. my nephew's freshman class at that same high school last year was less than half white, literally invaded and infested by goblinoid beaners.
Most modern writers don't set out to make great stories, they endeavor to find ways to affirm themselves, to build a monument to their own "enlightened" ideals and insights.
>Sincerity is old hat, therefore everyone is irreverent and sarcastic
>Characters are not people, simply vessels for specific ideas or archetypes
>Societal related "issues" are shoehorned in not because the writer wants to bring change, but so they can communicate that they like the idea of bringing change, which secures them a favorable impression among certain social groups
>Creative decisions like making the protagonist black are calculated, and not arrived at organically
These kind of writers don't care about writing a good story, they care about about constructing showcases for their wit and ideals.
Again, zoomer writing. You clearly haven't seen hardcore millennial fanfic.
A damning critique of starship troopers if ever I've seen one.
>believed zoomers would succeed where we failed.
>They turn out even more moronic than we were.
amazing really.
The Longest Journey did it way better
Great adventure game.
Overrated honestly and ruined by all the sequels and Ragnar's massive mentally ill angloid beliefs.
All the credit for TLJ honestly belongs to whoever was the background artist.
I remember playing this game when I was 8yo. It was kino but I honestly didn't understand a thing.
Didn't Amy Hennig write for this shit?
After you morons claiming she was a genius for like 15 years.
Gurm allegedly wrote elden ring and look how that turned out.
She only contributed main story details, she didn’t write dialogue
hasn't done shit in years outside of this, not a relevant argument.
>company employs writers for years
>a suit at Square gets a call from blackrock saying they're not doing that well on the esg score so you know what they need?
>long story short you have elderly people write a story about people they dont relate to, care about, know about in an isekai because all the zoomies love isekai anime
-Yes SE there? I know you're making FF16 which won't have any PoC so your points are dangerously low...
-You heard about our game, Forspoken?
-No, why..
-... main character is an orphan black girl.
-Good, good, proceed...
shame they forgot about the part where isekai anime is popular because it's an ambiguosly light-skinned man escaping the shitty diversity clown world we have into a world of only white people, where he's the center of attention for all the hot big titty white women.
You make a compelling point
Isekai genre doesnt work if the other world has blacks, or the mc is blacks.
I'd say it's women (and less capable minorities) hitting critical mass. For the past few decades new writers have been less competent and often genuinely stupid and tasteless, but the older generation were still active and able to apply some standard of taste and good execution.
Millennial and younger writers are also very unlikely to consume literature from earlier than 1990 or so, and the dominance of multicultural thinking leaves them without depth of knowledge in any culture at all.
The game was literally a case of "how do you do fellow kids?"
It's boomers writing for zoomers. It's the worst of both worlds.
They write themselves into it and they're disgusting to anyone outside of cali. The characters remind you of every corpo boot licking caligay onions latte drinking privileged phone absorbed narcissists out there.
Because they write archetypes, not characters. They don't write about John, the 38 year old guy, they write about the "Black/Female/Strong/Independant" MC.
Because they don't pay that well.
I'm earning better in a different sector.
itt: millenialls coping
You think the average boomer was a better writer?
Yes, compare Ghostbusters to Ghostbusters 2016.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Dippold
that's a gen-x
Hair-splitting, she's literally 1 year away from being a millennial. She's a millennial.
late gens exist anon
>January
way earlier even
>she's literally 1 year away from being a millennial
>away from being a millennial
>away from being
don't you know anon, 2.1 = 3
that's how zoomers operate
why the gameplay feels exacly like ff15, just smash 1 button
games made in the millennial era are full of nepotism and diversity quotas. especially in when it comes to writing
posting millennial-kino
which means millennials didn't write them
>series ends with the complete genocide of an alien race that was trying to subvert and destroy humanity
was this series preparing us for something?
everyone died at the end in some new skirmish tho
they fired her a year later because siege of dragonqueer flopped lmao. in any case they really need to stop hiring these delusional, mentally ill californians in the first place.
>i will disenfranchise the main player group, making them the go to villains
>i will shoehorn characters that make absolutely no sense in the setting
>i will ignore reality and replace it with my own, for political reasons
>FRICK YOU FOR NOTICING!!!!
>also it's a good thing
These morons are actually doing a disservice to minorities, by hammering them down on stories in a nonsensical way and making them mary-sues ,while portraying them as eternal victims at the same time.
Untalented hacks, using politics as cover.
>These morons are actually doing a disservice to minorities
Frankly I find it extremely racist that liberal white women think they have any authority at all to depict minorities or their culture, and I'm amazed that nobody ever calls them out on it and replaces them with actual minority writers in these pozzed companies.
you are a white straight guy and demoralizing people like you is the main goal of modern gaming
hopefully there's a war against russia and iran and all zoomer get drafted and die.
No one running these companies or making these decisions is a Millennial.
Millennials have no cultural power at all, because Boomers shut them out of everything.
Black person, all video game stories are shit don't give me that crap
I fricking love baldur's gate but because I enjoy character building and power progression but the story is fricking garbage and the characters are all borderline moronic
the same is true of all games frick you
However modern games for some unknowable reason have decided to include ugly people which nobody wants
I disagree with baldur's gate having a shit story, but it is very true that the story doesn't particularly matter if your gameplay is fun and you have attractive characters. I would prefer a game to have all three, but I ugly people--physically and ideologically-- injected in the game is probably the only actual deal breaker. most people play video games to escape a real world full of ugly women, minorities and fringelibs. we don't want to see them in games as well, and we aren't going to buy games with them in it.
Plenty of them are probably good but you'll never hear from them in ~~*current year*~~ with ~~*diversity*~~ and ~~*gender quotas*~~
This was written by 50+ y/o Gen X-ers. Garbo thread btw
At least it's showing us how zoomers like to suck the very people that's shitting on them because they enjoy that kink.
Lack of discipline and hubris. They believe 2000 years of narrative theory and techniques don`t apply to them, that they can do better and that subverting expectations is good. They also don`t know how to handle subtext and have the subtlety of a sledge hammer.
I'm just waiting for a Bikini mod.
I still won't play it then, but I might jerk it to some SFM porn of Ella if they ever make that.
The absolute oldest millennials have only just turned 40. Most are in their 30s, with the youngest in their late 20s. Every video game you hate and SEETHE at daily was written by people aged 50+
it was funded by people aged 50+. it was written by millennial white liberal women with certified israeli indoctrination camp degrees.
anon the actual writers are in their fifties
>writers hand picked by boomers, and told to write a particular way
Wow
and he's pulling shit out of his ass since the writers as pointed above are in their fifties too
>Millennials can't writ-
https://mega.nz/file/T4JVTaAK#JoNDGajExr1OicnR0AOJwck21341Gwd548-fkUnSxWc
WHAT THE FRICK IS THIS PRIMORDIAL HORROR
The part about Jontron is beautiful
I think it's more the gameplay's fault than the writers.
In a movie bullshit lines like "OH DID I JUST DO THAT" have a purpose, and while not exactly shakespeare you can get away with funny quips.
In a game the player has agency. So if the gameplay doesn't reflect the dialogue, it's an immediate disassociation and break in immersion.
Like you don't celebrate after pressing the signal button and crossing an empty street. What does get your heart pumping is crossing a 4 lane highway with hundreds of cars going 120mph.
So ideally you wouldn't even need dialogue like this. Ideally the player themselves would say "holy fricking shit that was awesome".
But that requires competent game devs. It requires thinking about level design and that "HL2 bridge feeling".
Fricking shit what the frick do you mean fricking shit frick
guess who the writers votes for?
too much marvel slop, not enough Sister Carrie
The ones who would become writers grew up in a time where everything Is a story but nothing are experiences.
They grew up in a time of mutually assured destruction, so no big wars, no actual danger to them, and no understanding of the concept. Everything has been safeguarded for them better than any generation before. This effects genZ just as much if not more.
Most conflicts lose their nuance and become character slates for the fanfiction writers
>instead of 2 people from families of decades old war and conflict with eachother coming together amidst the families best wishes because of the strength of their love.
It ends up being
>2 people get together but the parents don't like it but they also seem to be ok with it at the end because they have been "changed"
Or it's like with conflict where
>Britain decides to join the war to protect Belgium from Germany causing 40,000 more men to die, because pride (does our word mean nothing), fear (if we don't uphold our treaty, then nobody will take up seriously in the future), and self interest (if we win it will put us st the very top of the world stage)
Instead it ends up being
>we went to war to protect Belgium from the evil Germans because it's the right thing to do
Tldr. Almost all writers know stories, but don't understand the concept that causes it.