Why aren't "isekai" games more of a thing?

Why aren't "isekai" games more of a thing? Seems like it'd make sense for the players to learn about the world as their characters do.

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i dont want to be some modern day fool. I want to be a character born and raised in some fictional society that fits the world and time perioid we play in

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This. I played isekai games before I learned what anime was and they were seen as little more than a curiosity because everyone would rather play Conan, Legolas and Merlin in the making than Steve, Jack and Bob from Bumfrick Nowhere, 20th century Earth. And getting OP cheat powers from transmigration would be considered cheap wankery back then.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What if instead of being random nobodies the characters were already badasses and that's why they were selected to go to the other world?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Then your basically doing cheat powers.
          The best way to handle an Isekai is like Another Time Another Place but even then most people would still want to be a character from the fantasy world instead.
          Indulgent RP that is not properly couched in the setting will and should be shunned.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Then your basically doing cheat powers.
            Not really, just basic competence
            >I’m a professor with a PHD in mathematics, I’m probably smart enough to be a wizard
            >I’m a navy seal with 300 confirmed kills, I could probably be a good stealthy martial
            >I’m a former lawyer democratic senator from a red state, I could have the charisma to be a bard, paladin, or any other position

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >>I’m a former lawyer democratic senator from a red state,
              Twisting words around to go against logic? Sound like wizard material to me

              >>I’m a professor with a PHD in mathematics,
              If your setting has video-gamey power level, you've got minmaxer material. Be it Martial or Wizard he'll find the broken build

              >>I’m a navy seal with 300 confirmed kills,
              Navy seal are trained to use modern guns and have access to top level information to plan their missions
              I give you stealthy arbalest using assassin, not martial

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          See "cheap wankery".

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Then you get great things like John Carter and Almuric.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Drifters (manga)

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >And getting OP cheat powers from transmigration would be considered cheap wankery back then.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, and? The frick that it's enjoyable pulp schlock doesn't mean it's not cheap wankery.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, it sucks that we're not allowed to make our own unique settings. Oh well, what can you do about it (besides make your own settings)?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I know I can make my own setting but I'm curious as to why others aren't doing this since it seems like they would be. Is there something I'm missing here?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Why aren't "isekai" games more of a thing?
      Because it's fricking shit. It can be fun schlock to watch, but it makes for a fricking garbage game.

      >we're not allowed to make our own unique settings
      Speak for yourself, moron.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >calls others moronic when xhe can't even spot blatant sarcasm

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >xhe
          moron.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Don't behave like a histrionic troon if you don't want to be treated like one, xister.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty certain they were being sarcastic, anon.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because the recent boom in isekai is mainly a Japanese thing.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I hate to inform you that there has be a colossal boom in "LitRPG" stories from the west, following the isekai boom. There are absolutely a shitload of people who are interested in stories where soom dipshit gets isekai'd, portal'd, or reincarnation'd into a generic fantasy world where they have a cheat power or a stat menu or they figured out some leveling up haxx.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I don't care how lit they are, that isn't the kind of game I like running, or playing in.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        i have always thought the best way to do this, would be rather than playing a storyteller type game, to play a "hard rules" type game, then just out of game give the players a set of actual cheat abilities that they can then work with as they want

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Isekai and especially Isekai in its modern Cheat Power style naturally lends itself to the worst habits of self insertion which is a big That Guy trademark.
    Weeb are fine but weebs who only consume weeb media and regurgitate those tropes ruin it for everyone.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    why would you want an isekai game

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      As the GM it would make my job easier because I don't have to come up with the whole setting before players make their characters.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They are a thing, there's Log Horizon TRPG, Sword Art Online has a few, even other tropal style ones like Ruin Breakers (transferred into an otome game), they're just all in Japanese you baka.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I assume that one thing is reading about "joe schmo from god knows where" (bland self insert) doing powergaming in another world, where you the reader have no influence over their actions and can just indulge in whatever objectively bad reasons for objectively bad actions the character may have.
    and another is to *be* that joe schmo that has to restrain himself and his degeneracy because you're at a table with at least 2 other people who you have to tolerate and be tolerated by even after the session is over.
    This implied rule takes out a big part of the isekai scenario, which is "you're a nobody in a place noone knows you, you can do whatever you want and most likely get away with it"

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because isekai is dogshit and only dipshits and kisless virgins want to have a game set in an isekai

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because the entire point of isekai is related to the unique Japanese cultural identity.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-damashii
    Let's say you have two stories. Both are about an elf in a medieval fantasy world. In the first story, the elf is simply the elf. Nothing else is notable about the character other than would be normal for the story. In the second, the elf is a reincarnated individual, with a perspective inherent from their former life. They understand concepts and technologies that the reader would be familiar with and identify with.
    The second story is far more appealing to Japanese readers, as they have difficulty identifying with anyone who lacks a Japanese cultural identity.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      To add: this isn't racism, as obviously reincarnation in a world without Japan precludes Japanese racial identity, but rather cultural. It's like when players in a campaign try to encourage a monarchy to become a democracy or something. They're basically engaging in the same behavior, "the cultural perspective I brought with me is the only way I can perceive the world, because that's the only justifiable way to perceive the world".

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >this isn't racism
        >but rather cultural
        Culture is predicated on race. Culture is an expression of biology in interaction with environment.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Cultures change faster than population genetics, my friendo.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >culture is an expression of biology in interaction with the environment
          Is there a name for this field of pseudoscience?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Using fantasy as a way to reinforce and legitimize your own cultural outlooks is pretty normal. Othering that just blinds you to the beam that has been very solidly rammed into your face all of your life.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I think Isekai has more to do with appealing to braindead light novel consumers, than some sort of national cultural empathy defect.
      There are enough popular Japanese media with foreign worlds,
      that neither require Hiroshi Suzuki from modern day Tokyo to be the protagonist,
      nor the title to be identical to the blurb.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >the entire point of isekai is related to the unique Japanese cultural identity
      Narnia is my favorite nihongonese anniemaye!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Because the entire point of isekai is related to the unique Japanese cultural identity.
      IDK A yankee in king Arthurs Court is pretty much the same thing but with late 1800's American perspective "We are Superior" instead of jap "We are superior".

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        however, going off this, Japanese might find this particularly appealing due to their insularity and predisposition towards preppyness. (and being bugpeople)

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe they should place their fantasy in a fictional japanese-inspired world instead of a fictional western european inspired world?

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Isekai are stale because they come in a few flavors
    >Random shmuck who becomes godlike powerful and gets a harem.
    >Random shmuck who is pathetic yet has this one neat trick that makes them able to kill powerful foes.
    >Random shmuck who only has their ingenuity and knowledge of modern day. This usually leads to "And then I invented this fantasy world's first series of electric powered devices."
    >Random shmuck who can travel between normal world and isekai world and ends up colonizing the isekai world.
    >Random shmuck time travels forward/backward in time. Usually their trip to the future/past is brief and usually nothing changes about the present except "Oh hey Joe Average, did ya know there was a dude in the ancient past who looked like you and even had your name? Weird coincidence huh."
    And then you have either
    >And then random shmuck returns to their world, and is still just average at the end of the day.
    or
    >And then random shmuck returns to their world but it turns out the powers they gained from that world are permanent and so they are now the equivalent of a super hero (or super villain).

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      You're really being disingenuous, at least half of isekai stories have the main twist on the formula being the MC isn't a "random schmuck". Hell next season they have the isekai featuring Osmau Dazai as the isekaijin. There's a manga about an Austrian HRE noblewoman who gets to go back in time to live her life better and attend her son's wedding, and probaly 30% of any given generic isekai story has the protagonist come from a place that is not Earth.

      And you're also missing out on the other big isekai thing, which is making isekaijin fight each other to the death, like in Kumo tbh ga or Shield Hero (nobody is from Earth in that one), hell there's pretty much an entire battle royale subgenre.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        NTA
        >main twist on the formula being the MC isn't a "random schmuck"
        Neither are 70% of MC in stories. In games just being a named PC give you plot protection.

        isekai "twist" are literally basic trope used everywhere else, except the author can't integrate them to the setting so it claim the broken power is a feature not a proof of his creative bankruptcy.

        >probaly 30% of any given generic isekai story has the protagonist come from a place that is not Earth
        A pretext you use when you can't even write a normal character and need a way to hide that
        (instant flashback: achtually it's ok my literally-me MC know how to transform into a creature, in his original world it was common to transform into creature or something, oh and he can use a sword because swording was a national sport)

        >the other big isekai thing, which is making isekaijin fight each other to the death
        Like literally 70% of MC fight equally matched rivals/enemies?
        The only difference is that isekaijin have fricking basic personalities and 80% of the time they ignore the real trauma of landing in another fricking world with no way back.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Isekai are stale because they come in a few flavors
      >mention seven
      That can be done with all genres, homosexual.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >>And then random shmuck returns to their world
      You are being generous
      Most isekai never planned that far and will just stop publishing once it get boring.
      Or the MC goes back and "lol twist" now the isekai is him going back home with broken magical power.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Amnesia is Isekai on a budget.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Try Ravenloft: PCs encounter major fog bank on their way to the tavern, hardly anyone inside, looks completely unfamiliar, learn it's an inn and the owner's got a funny accent, try to leave and fog dumps them back at the door, finally elect to get rooms, and wake up in Barovia. The strangers-in-a-strange-land approach is not new at all, but now there's video game HUDs and XP hacks. These recently-added elements make isekai better suited for solo games and manga. It would be a lot more feasible to have players build characters for a generic fantasy setting and then transport them to the actual setting where their skills give them a slight edge. Just don't dump them into Earth - no one deserves that fate.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I've run them before and had fun with it but the real issue is that you can't have bad players in this kind of game. Isekai stories are basically ultra-heavy in politics, economics, and kingdom/realm building, as the main drama concerns the differences between Earth knowledge and fantasy world knowledge. I have yet to find a player who could live up to my (fairly limited) expectations as GM because unfortunately there's a serious ADHD problem with people today and it results in players not giving a frick unless the mood strikes them. I'd love to do a proper isekai game, it's been a desire of mine for years now.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because the kind of person who actually wants to play a modern day homosexual sent back to a pre-industrial setting is insufferable and the kind of people who like isekai for the power fantasy will be disappointed their character can barely kill a kobold 1v1

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Why aren't "isekai" games more of a thing?
    But RPG is basically a isekai? You let go of your boring, modern life and embark into a journey in a magical setting.
    >Seems like it'd make sense for the players to learn about the world as their characters do.
    Because people wanna play and not hear the GM wanking his magical realm, even if his fetish is pure worldbuilding autism like Tolkien? It also demands the players to act like picrel, for how long can the DM make shit up to satisfy their innocence?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Not to defend isekai, but aren't players always gonna be ignorant about the world in a high fantasy setting?
      In a hack and slash game it's probably not gonna be a problem but otherwise you'll have to do explaining as the DM.
      A player might be playing Elf E. Elfsdotter from Elfheim but he probably doesn't know the basic principles of Elf Christianity.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        There are things you don't know, sure. But Isekai is being totally ignorant and learning each rule and lore of the world as you go. It's like a in-game crash curse, like teaching a 100% newbie how to play a ttrpg by playing. It's not impossible, but I never saw someone doing this, usually players already know about the setting or learn things before the campaign start while asking a few questions during the session. One way to do this imo would be to transport the party to a whole new world with new rules (and probably a new system too). That can be fun, it depends on how it's done and how much the players buy the premise, still I can't see someone doing this more than once.

        But I'm working with the naked frame of the Isekai genre here, this guy

        Isekai are stale because they come in a few flavors
        >Random shmuck who becomes godlike powerful and gets a harem.
        >Random shmuck who is pathetic yet has this one neat trick that makes them able to kill powerful foes.
        >Random shmuck who only has their ingenuity and knowledge of modern day. This usually leads to "And then I invented this fantasy world's first series of electric powered devices."
        >Random shmuck who can travel between normal world and isekai world and ends up colonizing the isekai world.
        >Random shmuck time travels forward/backward in time. Usually their trip to the future/past is brief and usually nothing changes about the present except "Oh hey Joe Average, did ya know there was a dude in the ancient past who looked like you and even had your name? Weird coincidence huh."
        And then you have either
        >And then random shmuck returns to their world, and is still just average at the end of the day.
        or
        >And then random shmuck returns to their world but it turns out the powers they gained from that world are permanent and so they are now the equivalent of a super hero (or super villain).

        offers a lot of tropes common to these stories that can add some flavour to such a game.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        what anime are you referencing?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Hot Fuzz and Final Fantasy

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            thanks

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >but aren't players always gonna be ignorant about the world in a high fantasy setting?
        Why would they be? I'm in a Sword World game and my PC has a very defined place in the world and fairly extensive knowledge of the local area. Hell even DnD presupposes knowledge of various gods, metaphysics, professions, etc that are consistent across even most homebrew settings.

        If Elf Christianity is a thing in your setting, why are you hiding that from your players instead of letting them play a devout Elf Christian if they so choose?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Why would they be?
          Because they don't actually live in a fantasy world and don't have a copy of the Elf Bible at hand.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Because they don't actually live in a fantasy world and don't have a copy of the Elf Bible at hand.
            Most settings have a setting bible that includes varying levels of thoroughness on each of the major religions. I've even seen a fair few with tips and things to keep in mind when roleplaying an adherent of that faith. Of course they're not going to have a 300 page holy text to pore over, but any RPG book worth its salt is going to have enough material in it to let you create a character that believably inhabits that world. You DO actually read the damn book before you play, right?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not strongly disagreeing with you on anything.
              I guess this is just a bit of a confusion caused on my part by not being clear enough,
              and the convoluted premise of isekai.
              What I meant to say was is that your character understands something, you playing your character can play "knowing something" in an abstract sense but you as a player only get to know the details of Elf Communion if the DM bothers to make them more concrete.
              Your elf knows Elf Communion by heart but you can only play "knowing Elf Communion" because you as a human IRL don't know the exact steps of Elf communion (which is of course absurd to expect from anyone but the most dedicated Roleplayers)
              Anyways I would've never come up with these inane thoughts if I had never dwelt on the idea of roleplaying a modern human (who doesn't act like a real human bean but like an anime character) sucked into a gay MMORPG world.
              So yeah, frick isekai and myself for giving it more thought than it deserves.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but its basically the difference between "saying the smart thing in character" and "My character says the smart thing" correct?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, your character might know local wildlife but the DM will still need to explain what a Red-beaked Gronk is if it comes up.
                Again, not particularly strange in roleplaying context unless you contrast it with the isekai premise.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Elf Christianity
          Oh shit, we talking about Arcanum now?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Or FF14, where the dominant religion of the frosty French elves is has the Elf Pope preaching the two core tenets of their religion: "total dragon death" and "spearmommy gud"

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >aren't players always gonna be ignorant about the world in a high fantasy setting?
        Character knowledge

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You are now making me imagine an alternate worod were Gygac made DnD Narnia flavored conan rather than lotr.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      DnD is already more like Narnia than like LOTR by virtue(?) of whimsically inserting things from other settings.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      DnD is already more like Narnia than like LOTR by virtue(?) of whimsically inserting things from other settings.

      narnia is an isekai

      in dnd, the standard is to make a character born and raised in the world you're gonna be playing in.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Narnia is an isekai
        >Wizard of Oz is an isekai
        >Labrynth is an isekai
        >Alice in Wonderland is an isekai
        >90s anime like Inuyasha, Escaflowne and even Digimon are isekai
        Wonder what caused the genre to change so much.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Wonder what caused the genre to change so much.
          probs some 2000s anime/manga/novel that really hit that spot for powerfantasy
          and in modern times, isekai is popular solely for the escapism factor

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I think it's the abandoning of a facade. A lot of different things are obviously still power fantasies or whatever, but they maintain an image. The light novel isekai industry at some point had everyone throw their hands up simultaneously and say "frick it, we all know what we're here for, he's literally you, here's his wife, he instantly destroys everything, here's fifty novels in a row".
          It's like mobile gaming. At some point they gave up and figured no one really cared and they could make match four games with a slot machine system forever and who's gonna stop them?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I get what you man, but Isekai changed at even a core concept. Old isekai was usually about young women or children exploring some cool foreign world. And they were either normal people (Alice, Dorothy, etc) or if they had a something special, it was usually either subtle or it didn't even directly help them in combat and had to rely on others (Hitomi had her future prophecy, the Digimon could digivolve their mons, and every Narnia protagonist had Aslan). There was a great sense of wonder to it all, and it felt like these creators really wanted you to actually fantasize about their worlds
            By contrast, modern Isekais are all about either a neet or a dead end wagie dying, and then getting these OP busted powers that trivialize everything. All the other characters hardly ever have their own side stories or often even meaningfully contribute anything. It's like the worlds are made purposely as flat and hollow as possible, like it's an imagination sinkhole.

            >Wonder what caused the genre to change so much.
            probs some 2000s anime/manga/novel that really hit that spot for powerfantasy
            and in modern times, isekai is popular solely for the escapism factor

            I mean, isn't the Labrynth also about escapism

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              best modern nisekai is the guy who gets reincarnated as a vending machine.

              My problem with the genre is that it is usually uninteresting.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Escaflowne
          And isekai elements are the shittiest. Learn from this.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            What's wrong with Escaflowne?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Isekai elements.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                All of those had "isekai elements"

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but I think anon is saying that if the female MC wasn't from earth and was just like a character in the setting (or alternatively that removing the girl and having it just be about the guy and the catgirl) the show would be better.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >
                NTA but I think anon is saying that if the female MC wasn't from earth and was just like a character in the setting (or alternatively that removing the girl and having it just be about the guy and the catgirl) the show would be better.
                >the Earth is like the moon to their world
                >the main villain himself is from Earth
                >Alan's whole character arc revolves his dad leaving his family to find some Earth chick.
                >The main villain himself is from Earth
                >Hitomi's powers are as a whole supposed to be completely foreign to the setting
                >Hitomi in general is supposed to be a fish out of water
                I understand what you are saying. But you would have to completely change how the story is structured in of itself for this to work. And I really don't think it'd be better for it. Infact I'd argue you'd lose a lot more of tge unique aspects of the setting

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I'm pretty sure they just want a show about fantasy mecha.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That's fine, but most great mechas are good forreasons besides the giant robots

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >What's wrong with Escaflowne?

              >Escaflowne
              And isekai elements are the shittiest. Learn from this.

              Isekai elements.

              All of those had "isekai elements"

              Escaflowne -could- have been "isekai done right" if it was treated as one single universe with multiple worlds.
              But to be quite honest, Escaflowne is just as escapist as the rest, just far more creative than your average flick.
              As said by

              >
              NTA but I think anon is saying that if the female MC wasn't from earth and was just like a character in the setting (or alternatively that removing the girl and having it just be about the guy and the catgirl) the show would be better.
              >the Earth is like the moon to their world
              >the main villain himself is from Earth
              >Alan's whole character arc revolves his dad leaving his family to find some Earth chick.
              >The main villain himself is from Earth
              >Hitomi's powers are as a whole supposed to be completely foreign to the setting
              >Hitomi in general is supposed to be a fish out of water
              I understand what you are saying. But you would have to completely change how the story is structured in of itself for this to work. And I really don't think it'd be better for it. Infact I'd argue you'd lose a lot more of tge unique aspects of the setting

              you'd have to change the fundamental structure to achieve an organic world.

              It would be a challenge to justify a world that:
              - have regular isekai travelers back-forth without changing the modern world
              - have the isekai-world used to prophetic isekai
              - have no character accidentally breaking the masquerade, especially in a modern world

              Actually I would love to see an isekai series where, because technology/magic evolve both side, the MC going back-forth is noticed and become known world-wide, used as an ambassador. A plot point would be the 2 world meshing together with say BOTH side seeing the others world in orbit.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >A plot point would be the 2 world meshing together with say BOTH side seeing the others world in orbit
                I was really hoping that would've happened. It would've been cool. Like seeing upsidedown castle for the first time in SotN

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Wonder what caused the genre to change so much.
          probs some 2000s anime/manga/novel that really hit that spot for powerfantasy
          and in modern times, isekai is popular solely for the escapism factor

          It wasn't even a proper Isekai, it was Sword Art Online.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          To answer OP's question, a player would have to roleplay two characters: the inner reincarnated individual from the current year, and the outer combination of class and species and other game elements.
          If a player is just playing as himself then what you're playing is pretty much RPG: The Metagaming.
          Also there's the thing in which you can have characters openly talking to npcs about things like "saving throws" and the like, which seems common in many gaming groups in the current year. When playing with strangers I simply have do a session zero and maybe attempt some emergency treatment, because I really don't want to deal with this shit in session one.

          This kind of isekai? Light novels. Sword Art Online popularized this trend as that other anon said, then came villainess isekai which is more than enough to be called a subgenre.
          For that matter, among the novels that influenced early D&D was Three Hearts and Three Lions by Poul Anderson, which also happened to be isekai.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That's not two characters, anon. That's one character something happened to.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          What happened is Japanese people stopped wanting to try and return to Japan. Old isekai/second world fantasy was about being lost in a strange land and trying to get home, whereas now it's about escaping Japan by dying and living in the MMO you spent your meagre free time playing between 14 hour shifts.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno why people keep bringing up how they're "overpowered" like it isn't common for being a PC to automatically grant you vigor, strength, twist fate, and a bunch of other obvious "you're the important guy" features. It's generally only the most mudcore of games where you're an actual npc powerlevel dipshit that struggles to fight a single other man.

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Ive played in an isekai game before, but we were all fictional characters coming from different fictional worlds and meeting in a new world. It was basically just an excuse for us to all play different characters that would never interact with one another normally. It was a fun campaign.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      i hate to say it, that just sound like planescape / spell jammer. dnd isekai universe

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's just awkward to roleplay as yourself, sometimes you just want to do stupid or brutal things for fun. Or edgy, or ridiculously capable without it seeming that you're just jerking off.

    Anyway the D&D cartoon was isekai.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, I feel isekai stories only really work as a metaphor, but I feel they don't do this specific kind of story enough: The kind where it's a Lord of the Flies thing, and the fantasy world is simply an excuse for people to go apeshit on each other. All the resentments, hidden hatreds and petty politics just means you can actually kill each other now.
    Too often this results in the cast just hugging it out, though. Most stories never really follow that premise through to the end.
    Well, I'm sure a few Korean manwha have that premise, probably.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >I feel isekai stories only really work as a metaphor
      because you have no imagination and hates fantasy

      > Most stories never really follow that premise through to the end.
      because that premise usually have nothing to do with what the story is about

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That sounds awful.
      Like, just really awful, in a bad way.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This is the plot of Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.

      To answer OP's question, a player would have to roleplay two characters: the inner reincarnated individual from the current year, and the outer combination of class and species and other game elements.
      If a player is just playing as himself then what you're playing is pretty much RPG: The Metagaming.
      Also there's the thing in which you can have characters openly talking to NPCs about things like "saving throws" and the like, which seems common in many gaming groups in the current year. When playing with strangers I simply have do a session zero and maybe attempt some emergency treatment, because I really don't want to deal with this shit in session one.

      This kind of isekai? Light novels. Sword Art Online popularized this trend as that other anon said, then came villainess isekai which is more than enough to be called a subgenre.
      For that matter, among the novels that influenced early D&D was Three Hearts and Three Lions by Poul Anderson, which also happened to be isekai.

      >To answer OP's question, a player would have to roleplay two characters: the inner reincarnated individual from the current year, and the outer combination of class and species and other game elements.
      A .hack style game could be kinda cool, with events in the real world and virtual/magical/dream/other world playing off of each other. Maybe throw in some people losing track of which world is reality.

      There was a TV show called Awake that ran for all of 1 season, detective was in a car crash and his son died, he goes to sleep and wakes up in a world where his wife died instead. It's never clear which reality is correct, but clues for each case start appearing in the other world.

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    We already have isekai game at home, it's called GURPS Infinite Worlds and Banestorm.
    The average WoD game also scratches much of that itch.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    We do a little isekai property speculation

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That series unironically competes with much of the Shannara series. (I am glad you brought it up, hadn't thought about it in a few years).

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I liked this book when I was a kid, wonder if it holds up.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That series unironically competes with much of the Shannara series. (I am glad you brought it up, hadn't thought about it in a few years).

      >That series unironically competes with much of the Shannara series.
      Mostly becase Shannara is also garbage.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    because all that is is assuming the players origin. Not a specific setting in itself. Which is just limiting.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Isekai is a backstory, not a whole game setting, moron.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      it implies the possibility of travel/communication between our world and the game setting and opens up the possibility of historic interactions between the two, so it definitely does inform the setting in a pretty significant way.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Not really, just add IRL as another realm in the setting. THats essentially what the forgotten realms is in dnd. its the forgotten realms (to earth).
        Or something that makes earht more prominent would be Rifts (though with post apocolyse earth) or WOrld of darkness games.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i miss strange beast

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    There kindof is one isekai JTRPG...

    ...and then I remember the BESM stand-alone El Hazard TRPG.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I see two soifaces here.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >El Hazard TTRPG
      How I never heard about that? El Hazard was peak soul.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, I know someone posted it a bit ago (dunno if it was weeks or months ago), but I know it exists.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        ah, found it!
        pixeldrain /u/cZDHKZvz

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Frick yeah, I'm not alone! Man this book doesn't go easy on Jinnai though

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Most players know the basics of a fantasy rpg game. Enough to understand whats going on

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    because shit's for gays and powergamers

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Portal fantasy and Crusoesques are a thing . I generally prefer those over Isekai and litrpg.

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    As a dm they’re very boring to run

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    isekai is tranime shit at the end of the day. only spergs and coomers like that shit.

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Seems like it'd make sense for the players to learn about the world as their characters do.
    If you played games you would know you meet in a tavern then discover the world from there, no need for extra steps.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >but what about my baaaaackstoryyyyyyy

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Isekai is already shit that attracts an insufferable crowd in non-interactive media: can you imagine how bad it would be in tabletop with 3+ self-insert PCs competing for the spotlight?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >can you imagine how bad it would be in tabletop with 3+ self-insert PCs competing for the spotlight?
      Welcome to PaizoCon - smoking or non-smoking?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        wait, what kind of smoking?

        I'ld go non-smoking anyways.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      mfw my two fellow players never play anything but self-insert PCs

  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    A

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I HATE ISEKAIS
      Japanese autism is supposed to refine a thing into the best it can be, not the worst! They're folding it a thousand times, BACKWARDS!!!

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Haha! Carrot go brrrr!

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    i made a cardgame based on isekais if you want to try it out
    https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2849201555
    you pull a random "past card" and a random "present" card then you work in the new world trying to acomplish your objetive in this new life

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Stranded in Fantasy

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Why aren't "isekai" games more of a thing?
    Because it's the lowest level of creativity, even below fan fiction and we don't want to encourage that.
    Nowadays "Isekai" is but an excuse to make the laziest setting known to mankind.

    -who care about interesting character? Make a character that's literally anon
    -who care about interesting setting? It's just power-fantasy tropes
    -who care about gameplay intertwined with the setting? Give the character a unique power that break the setting
    -who care about plot & ending? You can just make a procedural generator to generate half assed event until player get bored

  38. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This was a thing in fantasy in the 60s and 70s, to Western audiences. We're long past it. You're just a frickin' weeb.

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Western isekai, at least in terms of rpgs, was strangled in its crib by the satanic panic. A few vestiges were left behind like how the ultima series is an isekai.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much. It's also why big ticket fiction about children/teens going on adventures is now relegated "80s nostalgia". There was an entire movement of fear claiming fiction about children is a way to make kids kill themselves/turn into domestic terrorist sleeper agents for the Japanese

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much. It's also why big ticket fiction about children/teens going on adventures is now relegated "80s nostalgia". There was an entire movement of fear claiming fiction about children is a way to make kids kill themselves/turn into domestic terrorist sleeper agents for the Japanese

      A good example of this was that an entire aspect of the Forgotten Realms was that it originally was meant to be a secret world metaphysically right next to ours, where our stories of magic and fantasy originate from. With the routes to get there now hidden from everyday life by Secret Societies and Shadowy Government Organizations.

      This than was quietly shoved into the "do not reference" section by TSR because they were terrified of getting sued on account little Timmy trying to look for secret portals thanks to them and getting hurt.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >where our stories of magic and fantasy originate from
        Wasn't it the other way round, with our people and gods going from here to the Realms? According to the grey box, Mielikki is the Finnish god, Tyr is the Norse god, and Mulhorand and Unther are populated by people descended from our Egyptians and Sumerians/Babylonians who literally summoned their gods by praying really fricking hard when they were enslaved by their captors. The whole "forgotten" part of the realms was, if memory serves, meant to imply that once there were connections between Earth and Toril but now they were forgotten.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Kinda its more that as people got ported over and/or their original pantheons started to fade on earth certain gods migrated over to the realms to maintain a stable following.
          Horus came following his followers prayers while Tyr migrated on his own volition because he was getting muscled out of the Norse Pantheon for being to lawful and needed new worshipers.

          >The whole "forgotten" part of the realms was, if memory serves, meant to imply that once there were connections between Earth and Toril but now they were forgotten.
          They still exist and some people know about them but their existence is covered up.
          And entire section of meta lore is that all the setting book's Ed Greenwood writes, are in universe co-authored by and the primary research on them is done by Elminster the Wizard who does it because of a combo of Vauge Metaphysical Importance and the Ed gives him modern conveniences like cheese sticks in return. Elminster can just travel to earth because he knows the ways to do so. And its not just him.
          Pic rel is Elminster and Mordenkainen from Greyhawk chilling while Ed watches from a suit of armor.
          God bless Dragon Magazine for getting around so much publishing bullshit.
          https://media.wizards.com/2018/dnd/dragon/18/DRA18_magic.pdf

          The Realms was full of reverse Isakai moments till Ed got soft balled out of official publishing.

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