If Bayonetta offered to spit in your mouth and call you names, but it had to be after she sucked off another better looking guy. Would you take that deal?
What if the guy she brings in is a huge disgusting fat bastard she says is better looking than you? Then you have to swallow his enormous smegma filled load she spits into your mouth? Still worth it?
This, whatever legacy the series has is carried by the first one, even back when the PS3 version had a horrible reputation it still managed to gather all of its audience, the new ones failed to do things that would introduce the franchise to new players and whoever is interested is more likely to just go and play the first one because that's the one the fans actually care about the most and then who knows if that person would go for the sequels.
It's kinda like megaman games, everyone knows what they are like but that doesn't mean a ton of people are gonna play them.
DMC came back. People pretended to care about Sloponetta 2 because it was exclusive and we thought DmC was the nail on the DMC franchise. With 5's release the king is back so why spend the energy to think about a pretender to the throne.
>Originally on 360, Xchuds don't buy japanese games. >PS3 port was hot garbage >WiiU >Multiplatform port of 1 has done well, but the fanbase has to be funneled onto Switch to get everything.
DMC was on PS2, the best selling system of the gen and at a time where japanese games were mainstream before the 7th gen fall. Accidently posted this in the Star Wars Dark Forces thread. Fuckin embarrassing.
Back then I actually witnessed confused retarded twitter feminists tearing each other because they weren't able to decide if bayo was empowering (good) or sexist with male gazing (bad)
I'll address a point that's rarely brought up but is quite relevant: Bayonetta is a rather unpleasant character. She's arrogant, snooty, self-righteous and treats all male characters around her like garbage. This appeals to only people with specific fetishes. On top of this she looks weird - she's "sexy" in theory because her body language is whorish, but she's also three meters tall and has weird proportions, which keeps her from being truly erotic.
Her legs have been extended for kicks and to show off clothes, which is a really old fashion art trick, which is why everybody in these games has ridiculous, extravagant clothing with layers and draping scarves
I'm kind of tired of people insisting everything must cohere to first year art student rules
It works great in an action game with extravagant moves. Imagine her doing that spinning gun shoes attack if she had short, stubby legs. It wouldn't look as cool.
Kek, then why does men find her ugly and uncanny? Was it on purpose to? Or is she really sexy in your chud mind?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
In English and with less buzzwords this time. Has your country not been rangebanned yet?
She's super exaggerated, like Dante does for action moves. Bayonetta just does the same gimmick in a different flavor.
In the same way, nobody thinks Dante is realistically cool for riding missiles and Flamenco dancing, he's a super exaggeration that can come off cringey if you don't give it the benefit of the doubt.
Bayonetta asks the player to give her ridiculous poledancing attacks the same level of disbelief.
It works great in an action game with extravagant moves. Imagine her doing that spinning gun shoes attack if she had short, stubby legs. It wouldn't look as cool.
>On top of this she looks weird - she's "sexy" in theory because her body language is whorish, but she's also three meters tall and has weird proportions, which keeps her from being truly erotic.
This
Nothing against tall girls but she looks weird
>Bayonetta is a rather unpleasant character
Bingo. Dante is in part beloved because besides being a wacky wiseguy wannabe he mostly stays true to this archetype of being a "hero of justice" that battles against evil because it's right. He doesn't smoke or drop f-bombs because it would be uncool. It's like a red power ranger and that's hard to hate.
It was a niche popular thing for a while, but 3 ruined the hopes and dreams of obsessive fans like yurifags and lesbians, and the voice acting "scandal" upset normalfags. There's only casual fans left, and they don't hyper fixate on it like the mentally ill fans did.
>Nintendo exclusivity >Enemies actually attack so losers can't have their power fantasies on punching bags
people here like to pretend they are hardcore or whatever but i still remember the meltdown this board had because of sekiro, they would much rather spam on punching bags.
I stopped playing Bayonetta 30 minutes in because I'm not a femdom fag and the protagonist does not appeal to me. Everyone who likes this game is a degenerate. Why would I play this when I can play DMC or NG?
DMC has a more compelling cast. No matter who plays the game, they'll end up loving Dante, Virgil, Trish, Lady, or even Nero (lol).
Bayonetta characters are pretty trash. Does anyone even like Bayo or Jeanne? Luka and Rodin are pretty forgettable too
There had already been 4 DMC games at that point and it had slowly declined from being a mainstream adventure franchise to an autistic combo simulator. Also the PS3 version of Bayo 1 was really, really shit which didn't help matters.
Bayonetta was gay. I downloaded the demo when it launched and played it with 2 of my real life friends. Everyone laughed at how fruity it was for 5 minutes before we uninstalled it.
There is your window of insight into what people actually thought.
>he doesn't think this looks queer as hell
It's straight from a gay burlesque show. Hyper-sexual without actually being appealing to normal men (IE people who aren't mommyfags that want to be stepped on)
You could see this in a gay bar and not bat an eye.
It's there to make the teenage audience coom and indoctrinate them into being submissive femdom mommyfags like Hideki Kamiya is. Why do you think Kamiya wanted to remove Rebecca, the most cute and feminine character in her series, from Resident Evil? He hates normal women, he wants to be stepped on and enslaved by a whore.
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Anonymous
Hideki Kamiya had nothing to do with Rebecca. Series creator Shinji Mikami said she was his least favorite character because she was essentially written as a damsel in distress.
Third game is straight up incompetent regarding her design, way too busy with absolutely no balance regarding shapes and colors. I mean, bright pink makeup? Seriously?
>missed the entire later half of the first game when she starts taking luka seriously, and even before then when she was sorrowful over the misunderstanding that led him to believe that she killed his father
also, respecting rodin is a stretch, she literally tells him that she'll "bust a cap on his ass" if he gets in her way
It's offensively and crudely anti-Christian. It is as if someone made a game about going and pissing in shinto shrines written by a weeb from /a/ and someone asked why that was not a hit in Japan. Aside from that it really is not that good. As regards DMC, its quite simple, it released 9 years after DMC and was no-were near as original on release.
Yeah, this. I already didn't want to play the game because "witch killing angels" didn't appeal to me as a premise at all, but I put that prejudice aside and gave it a try anyway. Within the first 5 minutes they're mocking God and religion. I'm supposed to take this shit from some pencil-neck little gay Jap?
He's right and I get it, rather than being weak he has a soul and a conscience. The creator wanted to be offensive and edgy and culturally inappropriate. well he succeeded. Its an ugly game.
Yeah, this. I already didn't want to play the game because "witch killing angels" didn't appeal to me as a premise at all, but I put that prejudice aside and gave it a try anyway. Within the first 5 minutes they're mocking God and religion. I'm supposed to take this shit from some pencil-neck little gay Jap?
He's right and I get it, rather than being weak he has a soul and a conscience. The creator wanted to be offensive and edgy and culturally inappropriate. well he succeeded. Its an ugly game.
>The movie included more pandering to Christians
you mean before or after portraying Jesus as a whore fucking retard?
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Anonymous
Just goes to show that you only need a little bit of pandering for people to cope away the rest of the garbage. The DaVinci Code didn't end up having any lasting cultural impact, anyway, so it didn't stick with people. Bayonetta sold well enough for sequels but it hasn't had the lasting impact that DMC or even MGR had.
Yeah, this. I already didn't want to play the game because "witch killing angels" didn't appeal to me as a premise at all, but I put that prejudice aside and gave it a try anyway. Within the first 5 minutes they're mocking God and religion. I'm supposed to take this shit from some pencil-neck little gay Jap?
People will laugh at this but as
>Bayonetta is a rather unpleasant character
Bingo. Dante is in part beloved because besides being a wacky wiseguy wannabe he mostly stays true to this archetype of being a "hero of justice" that battles against evil because it's right. He doesn't smoke or drop f-bombs because it would be uncool. It's like a red power ranger and that's hard to hate.
pointed out a big charm DMC has is the main character being a good ol' boy fighting for justice. Bayonetta's character goes for something different that while interesting isn't nearly as appealing.
Well don;t ask why people don't like it then. >Try and offend people. Succeed and be angry they are offended and don't like you.
The larpers on this board love to whine about Japs making and loving media that "attacks Christianity" by having God be the final boss or whatever, but now being anti-Christian is somehow the reason why the games didn't do well in Japan? Try to at least be consistent.
It changed system every generation, and every subsequent game was considered worse than its predecessor. It also had huge spans of time between games, while being a smaller IP than DMC.
There isn't anything feminine about Bayonetta as a character, except maybe that she's a promiscuous whore. She could be a man and nothing would change.
sexualized != attractive
the crack whore with the pot belly who walks around in hot pants and a bra would also be too "hot" to depict in an E-rated game
>Too long gaps between games >Bayonetta 2 was a fucking Wii U game >eventually got Switch ports but DMC5 was announced literally that same year, like a vacuum extinguishing a fire by sucking out all the air >Bayonetta 3 vaporware for years >then ended up being a middling game that basically had and used up any enthusiasm for it in a single weekend
First was a great game, 2nd I honestly like and have played more through than the 1st in spite of being less deep and demanding as far as combat goes, just because it has less random minigame shit that Kamiya likes to do, and is more straightforward. I didn't even bother finishing 3 and I literally preordered that shit the night it was announced at TGA, just so you know at one point I was very serious about this franchise as someone that enjoys straightfoward unpretentious action games that don't hide and obscure things in RPG stats and equipment.
Feels like Nintendo keeps it around just so they can say "yeah we've got sexy and mature games" and "look we got Platinum making stuff for our console"
Honestly if they can get an Astral Chain sequel out in year 1 or year 2 of the Switch 2's life I could see that being the thing Bayonetta failed to be and the action flagship in Nintendo's stable, or just keep cranking out original IPs rather than trying to force ideas to fit Bayonetta or AssChain's concepts.
God knows they could use a win after their last handful of games, and with DMC5 selling 6 million and Bayonetta 3 somehow selling a million in spite of itself, there's still quite a healthy appetite for action games that aren't Soulslikes or action RPGs or "over the shoulder sad man wannabe prestige drama."
the former came out before accusing anything with the slightest sex appeal of misogyny and objectification became hip
bayo is basically a female power fantasy
Samus and Lara had the novelty of being big female protagonists when there were barely any of note to speak of in spite of also having a lot of sex appeal. Sam Metroid had little in the way of personality besides being stoic lone wolf mercenary, people dug that, and this is why Other M is so reviled. Lara in her first incarnation was casually bloodthirsty and mellowed out by the first Crystal Dynamics reboot but she was still cool adventuring lady; that's why all the spinoff and crossover shit like her Call of Duty appearance pulls mostly from her classic version rather than sad 2nd reboot girl.
Meanwhile you have Sony building statues of Horizon girl and buying her magazine profiles trying to make her a feminist icon and shit. You can't bruteforce the situation.
Also Bayonetta is a Japanese character from the 7th gen so she has even more of an uphill battle.
Nintendo fans literally have no interest in non-nintendo games, let alone action games - a genre they were never raised with and completely missed out on generations ago. Releasing these games on nintendo is a waste of everyones time, but thankfully they've been getting worse with each release so there's absolutely nothing being missed out on by fans of the genre for skipping them.
> Nintendo fans literally have no interest in non-nintendo games > Releasing these games on nintendo is a waste of everyones time
Retarded console warrior cope.
I don't think the sequels would even exist if not for nintendo going >people keep calling our shit kiddy consoles, what's the crudest and most "mature" thing we can put on them without going with straight up porn?
Very likely a desperate attempt at diversifying their game catalog when the Wii U got way less success than anticipated
They tried the same shit with c-tier games like geist, no more heroes, and madworld in the past. This is no different. Frankly I'd rather not see bayonetta be hollowed out any longer. Let this shit die, clearly not even the Nintendo faithful care about it.
Very likely a desperate attempt at diversifying their game catalog when the Wii U got way less success than anticipated
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They tried the same shit with c-tier games like geist, no more heroes, and madworld in the past. This is no different. Frankly I'd rather not see bayonetta be hollowed out any longer. Let this shit die, clearly not even the Nintendo faithful care about it.
Around the same time they got that one that flopped really bad too, right? Was "Devil's Third" the one I'm thinking of?
It was Itagaki trying to make a big post-Ninja Gaiden magnum opus.
First Microsoft was going to publish it, and then that fell through, so THQ picked it up, and then THQ died and then conveniently around the same time THQ died, Nintendo was desperately trying to salvage the Wii U with fucking anything before the PS4 and Xbone destroyed any hope it had of being anything other than Gamecube 2, so they gave Valhalla enough money to staple the thing together and send it to market.
Anyway after Devil's Third failed, they got absorbed into Soleil, the guys that made that Samurai Jack game(hence why Itagaki is credited as an advisor on it) and then they basically just rebuilt the concept of "tacticool military shooter" and "cool intense Japanese hack n slash" into Wanted Dead a decade later.
Bayo 3 was the chance for Bayo to take off.
Instead we got a game that was in purgatory for years with no real info on(a red flag that the game is gonna be shite), and then the retarded bullshit with Bayo's VA. The drama surrounding the game killed any chance of it truly succeeding.
Despite the shit DmC was doing, it was at least fun to meme on, and Donte became an endearing meme in many ways. People had fun even at DMC's lowest point, Bayo on the other hand brought cringeworthy facepalming shit in its lowest point.
In DMC3 Dante and Vergil both have a heart beneath their words that people can relate to. Who relates to Bayonetta? It's hard to even feel any sympathy for her half the time.
She treats people like garbage, and it is never portrayed as a flaw. I don't even necessarily believe a character has to have a flaw, but if something that is objectively a flaw exists and the story still treats it as flawless, it is a problem.
May have something to do with taking 12 years across three platforms to get 3 games out, vs. DMC1-3 being originally released on the one platform with two years between releases.
The idea that strong men like Bayonetta is refuted just by reading this very thread, anon
You are not strong for wanting to be cucked and humiliated by a domineering woman
> cucked and humiliated by a domineering woman
If this is where your mind goes when you see her, then you are the definition of weak and pathetic. She never cucks or humiliates any man in any of her games.
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If Bayonetta offered to spit in your mouth and call you names, but it had to be after she sucked off another better looking guy. Would you take that deal?
Was there supposed to be a downside to this or?
What if the guy she brings in is a huge disgusting fat bastard she says is better looking than you? Then you have to swallow his enormous smegma filled load she spits into your mouth? Still worth it?
Bayonetta 1 was actually fucking amazing in how smooth it made gameplay feel and every game since has been coasting on that.
Bayonetta 1 made Devil May Cry feel absolutely ancient, and almost every single action game since has copied witch time in some way.
Since then it's been coasting off the first game and never really improving.
Bayonetta 3 should have been make or break for the franchise and it was more of the same with big, clunky monster smash gimmicks. The exact fucking opposite of how Bayonetta 1 felt fast and fluid.
This still doesn't match lmao her legs are a whole half head up, and her body is narrowed to exaggerate the arms and legs, it's not two head widths long because her head is big and wide
Imagine searching this hard for "proof" of 'muh art rules' that literally proves the point of exaggerating and breaking them
Those oldfags are all redditors now. If anons now talked like the oldfags in this pic, I would rightfully call them reddit tourists. Newchads own this website.
>bayo 1 was a shit game with QTE ridden levels and boring combat that was carried by witch time >bayo 2 being a WiiU exclusive kneecapped any growth the series could have gotten because Nintendo fans had no interest in non-nintendo IPs at the time >genuinely fucking terrible art direction throughout the entire series makes it extremely aesthetically unappealing at a glance
More or less unless I forgot something. Kamiya is a retarded gay that needed to have his ego checked a decade ago. Dude hasn't been directly responsible for anything good since Viewtiful Joe and pretty much just coasted off of his association with Mikami and Platinum games, who themselves haven't made a good game in a decade at this point.
Honestly really just feels like it comes down to plain and simple charm.
DMC has a silly stupid earnest edginess to it, between the waxing philosophy of humanity being a true source of strength, the struggle against your nature, not letting your past define you, and rhe importance of family. Between all of that, you have wahoo pizza, black and death metal, samurai swords cutting through tanks, and a confident sense of self awareness where the game trusts you to realize how ridiculous everything is, but it takes itself completely seriously.
Bayonetta has sex appeal, some of the angel designs are kinda cool, same with the demons, but the gore gets distracting, the designs are still mostly flat, nothing Bayonetta ever does feels "cool", just slutty for the player's sake which would be fine if her proportions weren't so freakish, though you can kinda overlook that if you're the games target age, IE pubescent teenagers, and the cast is utterly forgettable. Wheres my Virgil? Wheres my Lady and Trish? Fuck, wanna talk about Villains, DMC3 Jester/Arkham stands out vividly as an interesting villain because his devil Jester form is a literal mockery of Sparda, which mocks Dante, while his Human form is a near mockery of Virgil.
Compare that to Bayonetta? Any of them? I played all three, and I can't remember fucking anything about them, let alone a villain, or boss. Theres bosses I remember from DMC2 and I played that 14 years ago.
to be fair you probably remember the DMC2 stuff because of how terrible it is. Bayonetta has a similar problem with NG where the filler bosses have zero personality or anything interesting about them.
Being stuck on a Nintendo system doesn't help matters, really.
Also, Bayo 3 really felt like it was trying to catch up to DMC by making Viola its version of Nero and not sticking the landing at all.
Like, they even did the "old protag basically gets stuck in Hell so new protag can take over" thing even tho they're only three games in and Viola was JUST introduced.
All styles but no substance. It's on the same shit tier as No More Heroes. Flashy spectables are nice, but the genre lives or dies by its mechanical depths.
bayonetta sucks
And I swallow!
If Bayonetta offered to spit in your mouth and call you names, but it had to be after she sucked off another better looking guy. Would you take that deal?
Was there supposed to be a downside to this or?
What if the guy she brings in is a huge disgusting fat bastard she says is better looking than you? Then you have to swallow his enormous smegma filled load she spits into your mouth? Still worth it?
I'd be her slave!
So does DMC.
The answer is that thirsty girls and fags on Ganker love Donte and Virgin since they became gay in DMC3.
>since they became gay in DMC3
no they did not idiot
kek
DMC is barely a thing and it came first and is on far more platforms
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female protag. Just the way things are, its very rare for female protags to stay popular
dmc is carried by the stinky fujos. fujos are loyal, otaku get a new waifu every few months.
This. It's kind of funny that incest fujos keep the series alive in between games.
2 and 3 are Nintendo exclusive plus many fans consider them to be worse than the first game
This, whatever legacy the series has is carried by the first one, even back when the PS3 version had a horrible reputation it still managed to gather all of its audience, the new ones failed to do things that would introduce the franchise to new players and whoever is interested is more likely to just go and play the first one because that's the one the fans actually care about the most and then who knows if that person would go for the sequels.
It's kinda like megaman games, everyone knows what they are like but that doesn't mean a ton of people are gonna play them.
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Bayonetta never had it's DMC3 equivalent
It did, that was bayonetta 1.
2 launched on the Wii U and 3 was shit.
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Neither one is relevant at all, they are dead franchises.
Doesn't have reddit memes plus the game is mid
nintendo happened
DMC came back. People pretended to care about Sloponetta 2 because it was exclusive and we thought DmC was the nail on the DMC franchise. With 5's release the king is back so why spend the energy to think about a pretender to the throne.
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>Originally on 360, Xchuds don't buy japanese games.
>PS3 port was hot garbage
>WiiU
>Multiplatform port of 1 has done well, but the fanbase has to be funneled onto Switch to get everything.
DMC was on PS2, the best selling system of the gen and at a time where japanese games were mainstream before the 7th gen fall.
Accidently posted this in the Star Wars Dark Forces thread. Fuckin embarrassing.
You forgot to mention that when bayonneta came out the Grand Awokening was just starting and the games were accused of misogyny.
Back then I actually witnessed confused retarded twitter feminists tearing each other because they weren't able to decide if bayo was empowering (good) or sexist with male gazing (bad)
Mother, and I'm still gestating in her womb (around 7 months so she can feel me kick)
I'll address a point that's rarely brought up but is quite relevant: Bayonetta is a rather unpleasant character. She's arrogant, snooty, self-righteous and treats all male characters around her like garbage. This appeals to only people with specific fetishes. On top of this she looks weird - she's "sexy" in theory because her body language is whorish, but she's also three meters tall and has weird proportions, which keeps her from being truly erotic.
yeah she's at her sexiest in the intro, wearing the full nun getup and not talking.
I never liked her design, also it became even worse each game
Her legs have been extended for kicks and to show off clothes, which is a really old fashion art trick, which is why everybody in these games has ridiculous, extravagant clothing with layers and draping scarves
I'm kind of tired of people insisting everything must cohere to first year art student rules
That is literally not the image I attached, what the fuck happened
Wait why do they not follow muh Loomis heads?
the ammount of people that don't get that the game world's aesthetic is based on fashion sketeches is astonishing
Sorry, most people aren't flamboyant gays who care about fashion.
what works in the retarded mind of clothe designers doesn't on a moving subject
Yeah, it's not like there's manga studios that's became famous for this style and got anime adaptations just fine or anything
Kek, then why does men find her ugly and uncanny? Was it on purpose to? Or is she really sexy in your chud mind?
In English and with less buzzwords this time. Has your country not been rangebanned yet?
She's super exaggerated, like Dante does for action moves. Bayonetta just does the same gimmick in a different flavor.
In the same way, nobody thinks Dante is realistically cool for riding missiles and Flamenco dancing, he's a super exaggeration that can come off cringey if you don't give it the benefit of the doubt.
Bayonetta asks the player to give her ridiculous poledancing attacks the same level of disbelief.
It works great in an action game with extravagant moves. Imagine her doing that spinning gun shoes attack if she had short, stubby legs. It wouldn't look as cool.
holy fuck that's Cpt tsubasa tier
>tall sticc with fridge torso
I think I understand now why her fanservices didn't do it for me
why is the lighting on that pic so unflattering?
It looks like someone took the model and put it in SFM
>On top of this she looks weird - she's "sexy" in theory because her body language is whorish, but she's also three meters tall and has weird proportions, which keeps her from being truly erotic.
This
Nothing against tall girls but she looks weird
>Bayonetta is a rather unpleasant character
Bingo. Dante is in part beloved because besides being a wacky wiseguy wannabe he mostly stays true to this archetype of being a "hero of justice" that battles against evil because it's right. He doesn't smoke or drop f-bombs because it would be uncool. It's like a red power ranger and that's hard to hate.
It was a niche popular thing for a while, but 3 ruined the hopes and dreams of obsessive fans like yurifags and lesbians, and the voice acting "scandal" upset normalfags. There's only casual fans left, and they don't hyper fixate on it like the mentally ill fans did.
I feel so sorry for the devs. A case of go based, go broke.
>Nintendo exclusivity
>Enemies actually attack so losers can't have their power fantasies on punching bags
people here like to pretend they are hardcore or whatever but i still remember the meltdown this board had because of sekiro, they would much rather spam on punching bags.
Sekiro is designed poorly because boss battles use totally different mechanics from the actual levels.
Not really there are plenty of minibosses scattered throughout levels that you practice on.
only gays buy nintendo
I stopped playing Bayonetta 30 minutes in because I'm not a femdom fag and the protagonist does not appeal to me. Everyone who likes this game is a degenerate. Why would I play this when I can play DMC or NG?
this has very powerful
>died in the first mission, ragequit and is coping about it
vibes
>powerful vibes
Go back to Twitter.
Yep, the guy you replied to got filtered by dodge offset.
Bayonetta is easy.
I know, that's why the retard up above got filtered by it because he didn't use it's core mechanic.
I used the mechanic. It's a simple mechanic. I didn't like the game because it was for gays. Simple as.
>pretending like an DMC player would ever be filtered by Sloponetta
Bayo 2 was so boring to me at one point that I actually quit the game, I think I was way past the second half of the game.
Sorry, bayo enjoyers have good taste. Unlike their gay kowabunga pizza bitch.
You wouldn't call yourself a "bayo enjoyer" if you had any semblance of good taste, honestly.
DMC has a more compelling cast. No matter who plays the game, they'll end up loving Dante, Virgil, Trish, Lady, or even Nero (lol).
Bayonetta characters are pretty trash. Does anyone even like Bayo or Jeanne? Luka and Rodin are pretty forgettable too
Trish is a boring character
Funny beats horny
Also DMC is the original
Bayo 1 is better than any DMC game
There had already been 4 DMC games at that point and it had slowly declined from being a mainstream adventure franchise to an autistic combo simulator. Also the PS3 version of Bayo 1 was really, really shit which didn't help matters.
>mainstream adventure franchise
It never was, Kamiyadrone
First game was definitely mainstream combotard
Soul
Bayonetta is very unattractive
Bayonetta was gay. I downloaded the demo when it launched and played it with 2 of my real life friends. Everyone laughed at how fruity it was for 5 minutes before we uninstalled it.
There is your window of insight into what people actually thought.
settings and character are made for the most flamboyant of gays and trannies, the ones that wear dildos on their nipples during lgbt parades
gameplay is made for the most hardcore of autistic players that shower once per month
none of those 2 groups are interested in nintendo consoles.
overall a match made in hell
>fags and trannies don't play nintendo
huh?
Found the self-insert autist
>settings and character are made for the most flamboyant of gays and trannies
what?
>he doesn't think this looks queer as hell
It's straight from a gay burlesque show. Hyper-sexual without actually being appealing to normal men (IE people who aren't mommyfags that want to be stepped on)
You could see this in a gay bar and not bat an eye.
so you're telling me that you think of gay sex when looking at naked women?
must be a rough existence
why is she dancing like that? is that part of the game?
It's there to make the teenage audience coom and indoctrinate them into being submissive femdom mommyfags like Hideki Kamiya is. Why do you think Kamiya wanted to remove Rebecca, the most cute and feminine character in her series, from Resident Evil? He hates normal women, he wants to be stepped on and enslaved by a whore.
Hideki Kamiya had nothing to do with Rebecca. Series creator Shinji Mikami said she was his least favorite character because she was essentially written as a damsel in distress.
He likes tough yet hot babes.
it's a bonus dance sequence you unlock after finishing the game ala godhand
but she does dance at several points to summon demons
she do kinda look like a chud doe
That's more of a drag queen than a woman
If this guy shook his ass in front of a camera then Bayofags would coom
"naked women?" where are these "naked women" you speak of?
bayo is the very definition of "safe horny"
anon she literally strips everytime she uses a wicked weave or summons a demon
>she literally strips everytime she uses a wicked weave or summons a demon
people find this shit sexy?
A cause I'm a normal, well functioning person
>fujoshi
There were like 2 before DMC5.
Fujos went crazy for DMC3. Just look at Dante's design for crissakes
https://twilightvisions.com/dante/cosplay/animedetour2006.htm
>effortlessly mogs your series
Bury the Light swept Rules of Nature like it was nothing.
Bury the Who?
Bury the MGR fans.
Rules of Nature isn’t even in the top 5 MGR songs
>Rules of Nature isn’t even in the top 5 MGR songs
Irrelevant.
Retard
Keep coping.
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Bayonetta is just kinda funny in a janky way, overall mediocre. DMC is peak cringekino.
Why is she so fucking ugly?
She was designed by a woman
Third game is straight up incompetent regarding her design, way too busy with absolutely no balance regarding shapes and colors. I mean, bright pink makeup? Seriously?
it sold best on PS3 and Ninty was never quite able to get the DMC audience
don't want to play as women
She's ugly as fuck.
I stopped playing the first game after the black guy showed up, can't stand that
you'd be black too if you lived in the flames of hell.
>I stopped playing the first game after the black guy showed up, can't stand that
Gameplay isn't nearly as good as DMC3 or 5.
>chud the game
Actually... kind of gives me a boner.
DMC isn't a thing either outside of the funne meme where the characters dance and Devil Trigger
>smug
>domineering
>invulnerable
>10 feet tall
>only man she respects is black
I get the impression that Kamina is not a happily married man.
>missed the entire later half of the first game when she starts taking luka seriously, and even before then when she was sorrowful over the misunderstanding that led him to believe that she killed his father
also, respecting rodin is a stretch, she literally tells him that she'll "bust a cap on his ass" if he gets in her way
Ignoring Bayonetta's relationship with Luka that 1 spoonfed them is what some Bayonetta fans tend to do best these days, anon.
>sell game on sex appeal
>zero sex appeal
The cone head is retarded. No excuses. Reminder that Kamiya wants to fuck a chud that looks like Bayonetta.
Bayonetta's gameplay is shit. DMC is better.
It's offensively and crudely anti-Christian. It is as if someone made a game about going and pissing in shinto shrines written by a weeb from /a/ and someone asked why that was not a hit in Japan. Aside from that it really is not that good. As regards DMC, its quite simple, it released 9 years after DMC and was no-were near as original on release.
Yeah, this. I already didn't want to play the game because "witch killing angels" didn't appeal to me as a premise at all, but I put that prejudice aside and gave it a try anyway. Within the first 5 minutes they're mocking God and religion. I'm supposed to take this shit from some pencil-neck little gay Jap?
Lmao you are made of some seriously weak stuff
He's right and I get it, rather than being weak he has a soul and a conscience. The creator wanted to be offensive and edgy and culturally inappropriate. well he succeeded. Its an ugly game.
>It's offensively and crudely anti-Christian
good
Well don;t ask why people don't like it then.
>Try and offend people. Succeed and be angry they are offended and don't like you.
>they're mocking angels!
KWAB
>Offend people. Then be upset they don't like you.
here's your serving of tough shit and low sales edgelord.
>mocking religion makes unsuccessful product
pic related is trash but still managed to gross a fuckton of money
The movie included more pandering to Christians than the book so general audiences could be like "well it's not FULLY blasphemous so I'm okay with it"
>The movie included more pandering to Christians
you mean before or after portraying Jesus as a whore fucking retard?
Just goes to show that you only need a little bit of pandering for people to cope away the rest of the garbage. The DaVinci Code didn't end up having any lasting cultural impact, anyway, so it didn't stick with people. Bayonetta sold well enough for sequels but it hasn't had the lasting impact that DMC or even MGR had.
People will laugh at this but as
pointed out a big charm DMC has is the main character being a good ol' boy fighting for justice. Bayonetta's character goes for something different that while interesting isn't nearly as appealing.
The larpers on this board love to whine about Japs making and loving media that "attacks Christianity" by having God be the final boss or whatever, but now being anti-Christian is somehow the reason why the games didn't do well in Japan? Try to at least be consistent.
YESSSS
Origins Bayo is the only good Bayo
>cute as a e-boi
>hot as a hag
nice
>yiikonetta
awful art style
It changed system every generation, and every subsequent game was considered worse than its predecessor. It also had huge spans of time between games, while being a smaller IP than DMC.
There isn't anything feminine about Bayonetta as a character, except maybe that she's a promiscuous whore. She could be a man and nothing would change.
D always
C
It's like Tomb Raider. The gameplay is shit but it has a hot woman as a protagonist.
Tomb Raider has better ryona than Bayonetta
DMC appeals to men and women. Bayonetta was only to appeal to men but SJWs tried to co-opt it before getting burned by 3. Also moving to Nintendo.
Bayonetta's design is not attractive, simple as.
I don't think this is that common of an opinion, specially since a lot of the smash discourse was about her being "too hot for an E rated game"
>No Dante in Smash
I don't even like Smash but it's a fucking joke that he didn't make it.
sexualized != attractive
the crack whore with the pot belly who walks around in hot pants and a bra would also be too "hot" to depict in an E-rated game
>Too long gaps between games
>Bayonetta 2 was a fucking Wii U game
>eventually got Switch ports but DMC5 was announced literally that same year, like a vacuum extinguishing a fire by sucking out all the air
>Bayonetta 3 vaporware for years
>then ended up being a middling game that basically had and used up any enthusiasm for it in a single weekend
First was a great game, 2nd I honestly like and have played more through than the 1st in spite of being less deep and demanding as far as combat goes, just because it has less random minigame shit that Kamiya likes to do, and is more straightforward. I didn't even bother finishing 3 and I literally preordered that shit the night it was announced at TGA, just so you know at one point I was very serious about this franchise as someone that enjoys straightfoward unpretentious action games that don't hide and obscure things in RPG stats and equipment.
Feels like Nintendo keeps it around just so they can say "yeah we've got sexy and mature games" and "look we got Platinum making stuff for our console"
Honestly if they can get an Astral Chain sequel out in year 1 or year 2 of the Switch 2's life I could see that being the thing Bayonetta failed to be and the action flagship in Nintendo's stable, or just keep cranking out original IPs rather than trying to force ideas to fit Bayonetta or AssChain's concepts.
God knows they could use a win after their last handful of games, and with DMC5 selling 6 million and Bayonetta 3 somehow selling a million in spite of itself, there's still quite a healthy appetite for action games that aren't Soulslikes or action RPGs or "over the shoulder sad man wannabe prestige drama."
How did Samus and Lara Croft appeal to people while Bayonetta didn't? Aren't they all similar characters?
the former came out before accusing anything with the slightest sex appeal of misogyny and objectification became hip
bayo is basically a female power fantasy
Samus and Lara had the novelty of being big female protagonists when there were barely any of note to speak of in spite of also having a lot of sex appeal. Sam Metroid had little in the way of personality besides being stoic lone wolf mercenary, people dug that, and this is why Other M is so reviled. Lara in her first incarnation was casually bloodthirsty and mellowed out by the first Crystal Dynamics reboot but she was still cool adventuring lady; that's why all the spinoff and crossover shit like her Call of Duty appearance pulls mostly from her classic version rather than sad 2nd reboot girl.
Meanwhile you have Sony building statues of Horizon girl and buying her magazine profiles trying to make her a feminist icon and shit. You can't bruteforce the situation.
Also Bayonetta is a Japanese character from the 7th gen so she has even more of an uphill battle.
Not to mention that Beyonetta is from a cult classic game, whereas Tomb Raider was a best seller for several years.
Nintendo fans literally have no interest in non-nintendo games, let alone action games - a genre they were never raised with and completely missed out on generations ago. Releasing these games on nintendo is a waste of everyones time, but thankfully they've been getting worse with each release so there's absolutely nothing being missed out on by fans of the genre for skipping them.
> Nintendo fans literally have no interest in non-nintendo games
> Releasing these games on nintendo is a waste of everyones time
Retarded console warrior cope.
I don't think the sequels would even exist if not for nintendo going
>people keep calling our shit kiddy consoles, what's the crudest and most "mature" thing we can put on them without going with straight up porn?
Very likely a desperate attempt at diversifying their game catalog when the Wii U got way less success than anticipated
They tried the same shit with c-tier games like geist, no more heroes, and madworld in the past. This is no different. Frankly I'd rather not see bayonetta be hollowed out any longer. Let this shit die, clearly not even the Nintendo faithful care about it.
> crudest and most "mature" thing
Bayonneta is cool and elegant, not crude you gay.
Around the same time they got that one that flopped really bad too, right? Was "Devil's Third" the one I'm thinking of?
>Devil's Third
what the hell, I never heard of this game
It was supposed to be a big AAA edgy online action shooter from the itagaki to beef up the Wii U
It languished in dev hell so long and sucked so much ass Nintendo likes to pretend it never happened
first parties do have a responsibility to ensure their exclusives turn out well.
It was Itagaki trying to make a big post-Ninja Gaiden magnum opus.
First Microsoft was going to publish it, and then that fell through, so THQ picked it up, and then THQ died and then conveniently around the same time THQ died, Nintendo was desperately trying to salvage the Wii U with fucking anything before the PS4 and Xbone destroyed any hope it had of being anything other than Gamecube 2, so they gave Valhalla enough money to staple the thing together and send it to market.
Anyway after Devil's Third failed, they got absorbed into Soleil, the guys that made that Samurai Jack game(hence why Itagaki is credited as an advisor on it) and then they basically just rebuilt the concept of "tacticool military shooter" and "cool intense Japanese hack n slash" into Wanted Dead a decade later.
Right, on the Wii U. From the fucking director of the Ninja Gaiden reboots. How do you let that project fall apart?
Yup, and that was also another shitty westaboo game from le auteur Japanese developer.
Fucking hilarious game, I recommend you check out some reviews
Bayo 3 was the chance for Bayo to take off.
Instead we got a game that was in purgatory for years with no real info on(a red flag that the game is gonna be shite), and then the retarded bullshit with Bayo's VA. The drama surrounding the game killed any chance of it truly succeeding.
Despite the shit DmC was doing, it was at least fun to meme on, and Donte became an endearing meme in many ways. People had fun even at DMC's lowest point, Bayo on the other hand brought cringeworthy facepalming shit in its lowest point.
In DMC3 Dante and Vergil both have a heart beneath their words that people can relate to. Who relates to Bayonetta? It's hard to even feel any sympathy for her half the time.
She treats people like garbage, and it is never portrayed as a flaw. I don't even necessarily believe a character has to have a flaw, but if something that is objectively a flaw exists and the story still treats it as flawless, it is a problem.
May have something to do with taking 12 years across three platforms to get 3 games out, vs. DMC1-3 being originally released on the one platform with two years between releases.
Bayonneta is sexy. She intimidates weak men. Imagine being such a pussy that you're intdimiated by a fictional video game character LOL.
The idea that strong men like Bayonetta is refuted just by reading this very thread, anon
You are not strong for wanting to be cucked and humiliated by a domineering woman
>brings up cuckoldry out of nowhere
hmm
>he didn't read the thread
> cucked and humiliated by a domineering woman
If this is where your mind goes when you see her, then you are the definition of weak and pathetic. She never cucks or humiliates any man in any of her games.
Devil's advocate: the director directly stated that is how he wishes all adult fan works to depict her.
Sasuga Kamina-sensei
You have a source to back that up?
Behold, strong male Bayonetta fans:
ARE THOSE NON LOOMIS LEGS I'M GOING FUCKING INSANE
Usagi is cute and pretty, unlike Bayonetta.
Usagi is cute because she does follow general design rules, unlike clamp monstrosities
You literally responded to a picture showing "proper" design as 8 head units, with the crotch at 4, and drew 7, with the crotch at 3 and a half
you fucking moron, you can't compare Usagi to bayo
Bayonetta 1 was actually fucking amazing in how smooth it made gameplay feel and every game since has been coasting on that.
Bayonetta 1 made Devil May Cry feel absolutely ancient, and almost every single action game since has copied witch time in some way.
Since then it's been coasting off the first game and never really improving.
Bayonetta 3 should have been make or break for the franchise and it was more of the same with big, clunky monster smash gimmicks. The exact fucking opposite of how Bayonetta 1 felt fast and fluid.
This still doesn't match lmao her legs are a whole half head up, and her body is narrowed to exaggerate the arms and legs, it's not two head widths long because her head is big and wide
Imagine searching this hard for "proof" of 'muh art rules' that literally proves the point of exaggerating and breaking them
>unironic leddit spacing
you need to go back
lost momentum when 2 was released on the wii u
bayonetta herself is too much of a niche design for memers and normies to latch on to
It didn't have much momentum to begin with, that's why every other publisher in Japan (and Microsoft) turned down the proposal for 2.
Too girly and fetishistic. Mostly the latter.
>reddit spacing
Did not read.
>reddit tourist
there's screenshots older than you using spacing
Those oldfags are all redditors now. If anons now talked like the oldfags in this pic, I would rightfully call them reddit tourists. Newchads own this website.
Consneeding.
That's a lot of namefagging
Yeah, newchads hadn't come to the website to make all the rules and buckbreak the oldfags yet. Remember to thank a newchad next time you see one.
>newchads
Not sure what you're talking about considering the series got 3 numbered entries, a spinoff, and included in 2 Smash games. How is that not a "thing"?
>consneeding the argument
>bayo 1 was a shit game with QTE ridden levels and boring combat that was carried by witch time
>bayo 2 being a WiiU exclusive kneecapped any growth the series could have gotten because Nintendo fans had no interest in non-nintendo IPs at the time
>genuinely fucking terrible art direction throughout the entire series makes it extremely aesthetically unappealing at a glance
More or less unless I forgot something. Kamiya is a retarded gay that needed to have his ego checked a decade ago. Dude hasn't been directly responsible for anything good since Viewtiful Joe and pretty much just coasted off of his association with Mikami and Platinum games, who themselves haven't made a good game in a decade at this point.
>that was carried by witch time
witch time is literally a crutch mechanic you can go without
2 focusing more on it was what made the gameplay weaker
I just didn't like her looking like a "hot" feminist.
C
why does D sound arousing wtf i dont even like bayonetta
It's just not very good and bayo as a character is in all honesty kind of annoying. DMC is more fun and dante more likeable.
Nobody likes dykes (even if they are canonically straight). Not even dykes like dykes.
because it's garbage and a repulsive coomer/blasphemous filth
Would you rather Bayonetta be your mom in public and girlfriend in private or the reverse?
If she's my mom in private do I still bang her?
Read Bayonetta Steam reviews if you want to see gayry in action.
nobody likes a half-naked woman in a hack-and-slash.
Honestly really just feels like it comes down to plain and simple charm.
DMC has a silly stupid earnest edginess to it, between the waxing philosophy of humanity being a true source of strength, the struggle against your nature, not letting your past define you, and rhe importance of family. Between all of that, you have wahoo pizza, black and death metal, samurai swords cutting through tanks, and a confident sense of self awareness where the game trusts you to realize how ridiculous everything is, but it takes itself completely seriously.
Bayonetta has sex appeal, some of the angel designs are kinda cool, same with the demons, but the gore gets distracting, the designs are still mostly flat, nothing Bayonetta ever does feels "cool", just slutty for the player's sake which would be fine if her proportions weren't so freakish, though you can kinda overlook that if you're the games target age, IE pubescent teenagers, and the cast is utterly forgettable. Wheres my Virgil? Wheres my Lady and Trish? Fuck, wanna talk about Villains, DMC3 Jester/Arkham stands out vividly as an interesting villain because his devil Jester form is a literal mockery of Sparda, which mocks Dante, while his Human form is a near mockery of Virgil.
Compare that to Bayonetta? Any of them? I played all three, and I can't remember fucking anything about them, let alone a villain, or boss. Theres bosses I remember from DMC2 and I played that 14 years ago.
to be fair you probably remember the DMC2 stuff because of how terrible it is. Bayonetta has a similar problem with NG where the filler bosses have zero personality or anything interesting about them.
Yaoibait is more profitable than yuribait. Simple as that
>yuribait
oh no no no no no
You just love to see it happen.
E) I become her tampon.
test
Being stuck on a Nintendo system doesn't help matters, really.
Also, Bayo 3 really felt like it was trying to catch up to DMC by making Viola its version of Nero and not sticking the landing at all.
Like, they even did the "old protag basically gets stuck in Hell so new protag can take over" thing even tho they're only three games in and Viola was JUST introduced.
All styles but no substance. It's on the same shit tier as No More Heroes. Flashy spectables are nice, but the genre lives or dies by its mechanical depths.
1 had a ton of mechanical depth
also
>implying the average buyer cares about mechanical depth
Because it's a Nintendo exclusive
bayonetta going from “an disgusting example of misogyny in video games” to “was always for the gays” will never not be weird to me