Why did Liquid impersonate Miller instead of getting Decoy Octopus, whose literal singular purpose on earth is to impersonate people, to do it?
Why did Liquid impersonate Miller instead of getting Decoy Octopus, whose literal singular purpose on earth is to impersonate people, to do it?
Because Decoy Octopus had to impersonate the DARPA guy, duh.
Plus Liquid did a good job, no one noticed anything until they found Kaz's corpse.
The Diaper..chief?
he liked the glasses
decoy was already tasked with fooling snake into thinking he was the darpa chief? its been so long since I played MGS1 I actually forget.
either way FOXDIE had them as one of the targets so he has a heart attack because he mimic people through DNA.
ocelot killed the real one in the electric chair.
I'm getting confused, but then again it's been over 20 fucking years since I played MGS 1 on my playstation...
Tell me if I remember anything wrong here:
>snake gets to shadow moses island and gerts a call from disguised liquid, presenting himself as miller
>some time later, you crawl through the vents for the first time and spy somebody who LOOKS like the darpa chief
>that man is octopus in disguise
>after you break into his cell, the darpa-disguised octopus suffers a REAL heart attack because he was injected with the FOXDIE virus
>everybody else just thought it was a normal heart attack until very late into the story
now I don't get the whole FOXDIE thing.
was the original DARPA-chief injected with foxdie and octopus basically killed himself by absorbing it from his copy target or was octopus injected with foxdie and wouldve died anyway?
that part of the story never really made sense to me.
also, where is the original darpa-chief when the one in the cell was octopus in disguise?
decoy was not injected with FOXDIE, its airborne nanotech based "virus" that triggers heart attacks not unlike sarscov2-[redacted by the real illuminati]
The original DARPA chief can be seen in the cell where they keep Snake for torture, if you look at his corpse it says his blood was drained.
Decoy Octopus was infected with Foxdie thanks to coming into contact with Snake, who was injected with the virus by Naomi (it's the shot she gives him in the briefing).
That makes sense, thanks.
The only person injected with FOXDIE was Snake before the mission started. FOXDIE was engineered to specifically target particular individuals, notably the members of foxhound.
I feel like I should point out Siphon Filter was a similar genetically targeted virus, it just didn't use nanotech (to my knowledge)
90s was nuts for genetics.
FOXDIE was pretty shitty at targeting members of FOXHOUND though.
Psycho Mantis always wore a mask so it had no effect
Sniper Wolf took pentazemin pills which somehow causes FOXDIE not to activate
Ocelot was never a target
>Ocelot was never a target
Almost like he was working for the people that developed FOXDIE so they did that on purpose.
snake gave octopus vaccine aids (foxdie) when coming into contact with him
He would literally do blood transfusions of the people he was impersonating and unfortunately one of FOXDIE's targets was the DARPA Chief so being a gay method actor literally killed him.
DARPA chief wasn't the target, Jim Houseman intended to save him cause they were friends. He was killed deliberately by Ocelot during torture, cause he knew Ocelot's true motives, but there is no indication the virus would have affected him. In fact, that the fake DARPA chief dies was supposed to be a clue it was one of Foxhound instead.
Decoy died because he was infected by Snake during their chat in the cell.
oh yeah and ocelot killing kaz is extra fucked after playing the whole series. they used to be bros or at least professional friends.
Ocelot outright tells Miller that one of them is going to die in one of the tapes from Phantom Pain, whichever one has Miller say he's going to train Solid Snake. The way he says it implies Ocelot is going to kill Miller, and Miller says he's fine with that. I never got the impression that they like eachother much.
true, I do vaguely remember that tape.
just seems odd how it went down, miller has already retired by mgs.
Like other anons said, Octopus was already disguised as DARPA chief, and because his method includes drinking the person's blood (DNA and everything), he ended up as first victim of FOXDIE.
Another reason is that it's for more dramatic effect, your old mentor turns out to be the evil brother all along.
>End of the game
>Final boss is... uh who the fuck is "decoy octopus"
I am still baffled that Snake couldn't tell his mentor he knew his whole life isn't his mentor. It only works in cartoons.
codec is lowres and lossy
Well to be fair liquid was wearing a disguise.
In an audio call...
if you think about it, with every new entry in the series, the plot got worse
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Who knows what they put in liquor they sell in Alaska, perhaps the guy Snake ordered all his booze from was actually Ocelot in disguise.
Is it confirmed that they actually see the faces in the codec? I thought that was only for the player to see, since it's vribrating the ear bones, i assumed it's just audio.
Nothing is actually confirmed in a way that we can quote, but characters act as if they can see each other - Snake calls Mei Ling cute, Liquid asks Snake how he liked his sunglasses.
>disguised as Miller while talking to Snake.
>"SNAKE DIDJA LIKE MUH SUNGLASSES? "
You know what, good question.
It's not real.
It's a video game.
Even if octopus could disguise as miller first, he couldn't because he was murdered in his house by ocelot. That's probably too far from Alaska.
Miller lived in Alaska, they just didn't say where exactly, although it couldn't have been anywhere near the base, cause that would be too silly even for Kojima.
KAZ is a moron and quite literally the reason for everything bad that happens after Snake Eater. I wish I could retcon Kojima's story and gun that retard down second 1 of Peace Walker.
Master Miller was a pretty cool character before Kojima went full gay with him and Big Boss. Should have just left him as some cameo of an instructor at base, but we can't turn back the clock to bitchslap Kojima, can we?
His desire to have a base violently fucked everything about the boss afterwards. Shit the boss even bluntly tells him in response, "No retard once we have a place to call our own the world will shit on us" and so it did. V wouldn't have even had to been a thing if not for the shitstorm of Ground Zeroes which was also the product of Peace Walker all because KAZ had to have a place to squat.
kaz popper of balloons uhira miller is an N....
what? what logic is this?
t. Huey
When you really think about it...
The story of Metal Gear is the story about how America specifically keeps a new nation from being formed.
That is all MSF, Mother Base, Outer Heaven, Diamond Dogs really ever was. Just a new nation forming.
In MGS4 you have PMCs everywhere so obviously the gripe wasn't about PMCs it is just the difference between corporation vs nation.
Outer Heaven and Zanzibar land weren't just new nations, they were new nuclear powers intending to hold the world hostage
> they were new nuclear powers intending to hold the world hostage
Yeah that's the propaganda.
Nukes are what allow your nation to exist.
They spell it out in Peace Walker why it is important to have nukes but also they show directly what happens to a nation that doesn't have the means to tell others to fuck off...and that is everyone else just uses your land to do their secret ops bullshit.
Peace Walker was part of Kojima's Big Boss glowup era where he couldn't allow his new favourite character to actually be unreasonable and evil, so I don't give a shit what it says.
MG1, MG2, Big Boss intends for his nuclear strike capabilities through Metal Gears to strongarm the world into a state of perpetual warfare so soldiers will always be valued and have a place.
>holding the word hostage with their singular nuclear bomb
Was Big Boss retarded?
His role was the diaper chief to get info from snek
I'll do you one better - why did the game feature 'video' feeds in the codec when the codecs were audio only?
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Snake, was injected with FOXDIE by Naomi in the briefing tapes
They couldn't get the Metal Gear Rex launch codes from Donald Anderson before accidentally killing him during his torture (or rather, he figured out who Ocelot truly was so Ocelot killed him as an "accident"), and so they wanted to trick Snake into hearing if there was another way to launch Metal Gear Rex, but FOXDIE killed him.
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i knew immediately he was liquid because they had the same voice
It kind of says something when Kojima can start his game telling you "And here's a master of disguise whose name is DECOY" and then go later "Yeah the important character who died was actually DECOY, FOOLED YOU" and the audience still goes surprised_pikachu_face.png
Most of the audience probably forgot that there was another member of FOXHOUND at that point in the game.
How did Kojima manage to make a character who was never even mentioned until the third game in the franchise into the actual hero and get away with it?
mgs is still after metal gear for the msx. (don't play the NES versions christ) big boss already existed, so did grey fox.
I'm talking about Ocelot
he is the first boss you muppet, how is he "not mentioned until the third game"?
Most people started with MGS1, the first two games were just short recap that barely mattered. And Ocelot was very charismatic back then.
msg1 comes with a summary of the previous 2 game's stories
Yes, I know, hence why I said they were just short recap.
if you want the job done right you've got to do it yourself
Because at that point, decoy octopus was already dead.
Liquid Miller started chatting up Snake before Octopus even entered the scene.
Yeah, my mistake. I was confusing the actual DARPA chief you find dead in the torture cell with Decoy Octopus that dies in the jail cell while talking with Snek
That's the real Miller until later.
Liquid went and killed him while he was out in the Hind D.
where did you get this from? there are so many hoops to jump through to make that true its silly you would even think of it. according to the timeline in the credits of MGS3, Miller was killed months before Shadow Moses
I pulled it out my ass because I wanted to confirm that fact and knew people would answer. I went to like two wikis and they just mention him being dead but not the time frame.
probably shouldnt just pull stuff out your ass in a conversation about a series with autistic contrivances, anon.
like saying "Fortune didnt even have powers" when the shit on top of Arsenal Gear still doesnt make sense
Try a third wiki
https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Kazuhira_Miller?so=search#cite_note-death-3
Miller was killed 3 days before the Shadow Moses incident.
Miller had been dead for days when they found his body.
>ocelot killed a crippled blind Miller
It's lmao if you think about it.
It's even funnier, crippled blind Miller worked for years as hellish survival instructor for several organizations. Come to think of it, nothing makes a survival training more tough than having an instructor that can't see or move much, they were really lucky to have survived that.
Miller poses a threat to Ocelot's master plan even if he's retired.