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  1. >ncr is "democratic"
    >corrupt shitheap with a shadow government anyway
    what would be the point of a democratic new vegas if house is just going to pull the strings regardless

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  2. I’m convinced that the people who idolize House and Caesar just have suppressed daddy issues. They’re absolutely unable to see just how manipulated they’re being, even when one of the game’s opening lines literally outright states it.

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  3. his bitch brother stole his inheritance and he realized from a young age that the entire system was bullshit, so he built an empire out of underhanded deals and tax evasion.

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  4. The only people who oppose Mr. House are the ones with causeless rebellion on their minds. The same type of person that calls Covid a hoax and refuses to wear a mask. No logic, no reason, just mindless contrarianism and opposition to people smarter and better than them.

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  5. >If he was alive before the nuclear war, shouldn’t he be more conditioned to being pro-USA?
    I can see why you would be confused if you equate Democracy with America. No, just like how there is Pro-American Anti-Democrats today.

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  6. No, especially given his characterization as someone who feels persecuted and antagonized by anyone in his way, in this case likely the US government a majority of the time.
    He always thought he knew better than others, and during his Pre-war days the others he knew better than were the USA.

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  7. He’s intelligent enough to make his own capitalist empire and (almost) predict when the bombs would drop, he’d be smart enough to not believe in propaganda,

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  8. Because he’s a power-hungry tyrant who picks and chooses the things he wants to keep from the old world and the things he wants to do away with (AKA things that would stop him from establishing full control). He sees himself as superior to the common rabble beneath him due to the fact he’s a pre-war billionaire, and he represents everything awful about the bourgeoisie elite that this game tries so desperately to caricature.

    The people agreeing with him are easily manipulated. House provides thinly-veiled explanations for everything he does to further his own agenda. The only reason to side with him is based off blind faith in his ability to restore the wasteland, but we’ve no reason to trust that he will be successful in his plans. The only reason he was able to be successful in the first place was because of the Courier, so the Courier siding with him and not against him and the rest of the factions, is the Courier underselling themselves and carrying on their role as a lackey/delivery boy. Independent is the only true ending.

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  9. Why did Hitler hate democracy? If he was alive during the Weimar Republic, shouldn’t he be more conditioned to being pro-SPD?

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  10. Because he’s one capitalist fascist. He thinks he should be in charge because he has the most money and those without wealth should have no say what so ever.

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      • >point out exactly what house is doing
        >this is why he hated democracy

        Yes, thank you for your useless input chud obsessed loser.

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    • >because he has the most money
      the man worked out biological immortality, saved the city from nukes, built half of the most advanced technology humanity has ever known, what claim do the drug addicts from freeside have to claim a right to equal power and authority?

      Liberalism is the root cause of modern societal decay.

      no that would be neo-communism.

      Because he’s a power-hungry tyrant who picks and chooses the things he wants to keep from the old world and the things he wants to do away with (AKA things that would stop him from establishing full control). He sees himself as superior to the common rabble beneath him due to the fact he’s a pre-war billionaire, and he represents everything awful about the bourgeoisie elite that this game tries so desperately to caricature.

      The people agreeing with him are easily manipulated. House provides thinly-veiled explanations for everything he does to further his own agenda. The only reason to side with him is based off blind faith in his ability to restore the wasteland, but we’ve no reason to trust that he will be successful in his plans. The only reason he was able to be successful in the first place was because of the Courier, so the Courier siding with him and not against him and the rest of the factions, is the Courier underselling themselves and carrying on their role as a lackey/delivery boy. Independent is the only true ending.

      this post is what’s known as ressentiment
      >blind faith in his ability to restore the wasteland
      Considering everything he’s accomplished by the time you might him this is less blind than any other option. Because Fallout is a video game the protagonist has to be the world’s greatest triggerman, but that’s ultimately the game’s best argument against democracy. It all comes down to who can rally the greatest force (the player) to their cause.

      House says that if you’re truly self-interested you’ll accept being his number-two. And he’s right. Fighting House because I’M DA BIGGEST AND BADDEST CRUMPER OF GITS is how you get tribal africa. With everyone who proposes a system of organisation involving more than 100 people getting clubbed to death for big-headedness. The only reason not to side with House is because his excellence upsets you. Antony was happy to work for Caesar, and that’s why Rome was a winner-state. They conquered shitholes where the Antonys stab the Caesars in their sleep, then Brutus clubs Antony from behind, and so on.

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        • I think Liberalism kind of arguably evolved into communism, but the thing communism has become by now can’t be called liberal at all. How I see it liberalism is just healthy open-mindedness and a natural trait of north-western europeans. communism is an autistic theoretical dream of the ultimate trickle down of prosperity state. and neo-communism is just ressentiment and value inversion and a conspiracy of the wretched to crush the good, true and beautiful.

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          • you’re correct that communism is a logical extension of liberal presuppositions, but liberalism itsel can not be simply boiled down to basic open-mindedness.
            facists, communists, liberals, reactionaries, etc have all been open-minded in one facet or another.

        • Yes and no. While communism takes some talking points from Liberalism, there are a lot of things Marx has said against liberalism.
          In one of his works, Marx talks about how Liberalism gives the freedom of association, as in you are free to choose to associate or disassociate with whomever. His critique of this is that the choice needs to be reciprocated, the two individuals must be in agreement to associate and he hates the idea of that. That is a dangerous line of thinking that goes against certain core concepts of liberalism. There is a reason why hardcore antifa types love to spout "Liberals get the bullet too".

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      • >It all comes down to who can rally the greatest force (the player) to their cause.
        House does it through underhanded means. He doesn’t tell the player what the platinum chip contains before he’s already installed the MK2 operating system and then he shows it off in an attempt to intimidate the player. The NCR and the Legion simply send an invitation, House puts on a show.
        >House says that if you’re truly self-interested you’ll accept being his number-two
        Yet another way he’s trying to manipulate the player. He’s too overconfident to believe that a simple courier can be anything more than a right hand man for him, and that’s why he bribes you with a suite and promises of future glories.
        >Fighting House because I’M DA BIGGEST AND BADDEST CRUMPER OF GITS is how you get tribal africa
        Because it’s a video game and a roleplaying game at that, the Courier can definitely be a better choice to run the Strip than House. It’s not fighting House in some sort of dick measuring contest, it’s fighting House because you’re underselling yourself by compromising with a tyrant. It’s like agreeing to be Saddam Hussein’s second in command because you’re too afraid to run Iraq on your own.

        The rest is just pointless nonsense trying to compare House to Caesar when Ancient Rome was nothing like the contexts that shape New Vegas and the philosophies held by House. You sound full of yourself.

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        • >House does it through underhanded means
          The NCR and The Legion both require you to walk past their soldiers into a place full of flags and banners and signs of their power before you’re able to talk. There’s no pure power. The NCR are supposedly fighting for democracy. If you ask me the whole idea is an underhanded power-grab. Legion and House admit that they’re after power and can put on a more impressive show for it too.
          >Yet another way he’s trying to manipulate the player.
          Manipulation is all around us and never-ending. You could say that this thread is anons attempting to manipulate each other. What’s wrong with greater wills working over lesser ones? Greater wills subsuming and even sublimating lesser ones?

          Again you just sound like you hate the idea of anything being above you to the point you’ll sooner swallow the sugared poison of subjugation with a democratic veneer than submit to something great.
          >the Courier can definitely be a better choice to run the Strip than House
          The courier is boring. Yes of course the option that amounts to [fine write your own fucking ending] *can* be the best one if you just mentally turn on godmode for yourself after the credits and say you used your protagonist powers to create fully automated luxury space communism, but that’s uninteresting and gay. Why even play the game at that point? Just daydream about being god. It’s cheaper and easier.
          >it’s fighting House because you’re underselling yourself by compromising with a tyrant
          What if i like tyranny? What if I’m reading Count Gobineau in another tab right now? What if i believe it’s ethical and just to kill every last brotherhood homosexual in the mojave? What if I want to serve the House?
          >It’s like agreeing to be Saddam Hussein’s second in command because you’re too afraid to run Iraq on your own.
          If I were iraqi and had the means i’d coup saddam no question. But House isn’t Saddam. The world belongs to those who would make the most manful use of it.

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          • >The NCR and The Legion both require you to walk past their soldiers into a place full of flags and banners and signs of their power before you’re able to talk
            This is just sophistry. I cracked up laughing at this argument. Do you really think that the NCR are demonstrating their power by the game requiring you to view drunk NCR soldiers stumbling across the streets of the Strip to get to their embassy? The Legion are another issue entirely. House is very intentionally showing the player just how powerful he has become due to the player’s own ignorance, Caesar is far more predictable and therefore far less intimidating than House had the player already tricked themselves into giving House the chip. There is an argument to be made for Caesar showing off his power, but no, he does it in a far more predictable way. He shows his weakness in the very first time you meet him anyway since he believes that you destroyed the securitron army no matter what you do. Besides, I don’t think you want House to be compared to a ruthless dictator like Sallow, do you? It’s not favorable towards your side any way you wish to put this argument.
            >You could say that this thread is anons attempting to manipulate each other
            Why would you say so?
            And not only that, but what we’re discussing is a video game. We’re not discussing the leadership of an entire region, as in the game.
            >What’s wrong with greater wills working over lesser ones?
            Exactly. Your will is lesser for being manipulated by him, and my will is greater because I recognized his manipulation. You see how that works?
            >Why even play the game at that point?
            It’s literally the closest thing to a canon ending.
            >What if i like tyranny?
            Are you kidding? Do you really like living under oppression? Living under the iron thumb of a totalitarian ruler? Are you roleplaying as an insane person?
            >The world belongs to those who would make the most manful use of it.
            Exactly, so why aren’t your Courier doing that, anon?

          • >Living under the iron thumb of a totalitarian ruler? Are you roleplaying as an insane person?
            Few can understand the morals and ethics of the Legion. Rome started as barbarian tribes too.

          • Newsflash, buddy. It’s 2281. No reason to set progress back thousands of years because some fiends are running around in Arizona or because some bald LARPer read a few history books and decided he hated women.

          • >and decided he hated women.
            I send women on the frontlines with their husbands who can be murdered in brutal ways, while they get to watch the execution while getting raped to death with the final thing they see is the desecrated corpse of their beloved
            That’s right, I’m an NCR supporter.

          • >It’s 2281.
            And humanity has been reset to a tribal state. The legion wants to whip it back into shape, the others would rather drag primitive humanity on their coattails.

          • >And humanity has been reset to a tribal state
            Evidently not, given that there’s functioning casinos and economies not built off slavery or crucifixion.

          • In decayed, war torn buildings. Primitive. And the Legion as their own economy and currency, backed by gold, silver, and copper. It’s stronger than the NCR dollar, fiat currency.

          • >In decayed, war torn buildings. Primitive.
            And where exactly do the Legion live? In tents on the top of a hill. Where exactly do they plan on establishing their capital? In those same decayed, primitive, war torn buildings.
            >It’s stronger than the NCR dollar, fiat currency
            It’s also a component in a slave-backed economy with no concerns for human rights.

          • >In tents on the top of a hill.
            What the fuck are you talking about you retard, that’s an military encampment

            NCR is just modern America living in squalor

            But NCR has gayrights in the mainland! They banned racism too, except when you hire mercs to harass supermutans, provoking Jacobstown into defending themselves so they can genocide them.
            or when they can’t tell between feral and normal ghouls.

          • >And where exactly do the Legion live? In tents on the top of a hill
            That’s a war fort, anon. They occupy 4 states, from the dam, to the western borders of Texas
            >It’s also a component in a slave-backed economy with no concerns for human rights.
            It’s still in its founding stage, human rights come later one the the Legion Republic is founded. He’s trying to emulate Rome, don’t forget.

          • >Are you kidding? Do you really like living under oppression? Living under the iron thumb of a totalitarian ruler? Are you roleplaying as an insane person?
            It’s better to be gaslit and lied to non stop, given pre-baked copes, slogans and mantras that every bad thing is a result of not enough bootstraps, firm handshakes.
            Team Blue will never get their affordable healtcare for everyone with demilitarizing the police, team red will never get border security or more guns. I mean, keep voting, you’ll eventually get exactly what you vote for, try donating to your favorite politician too!

          • >The bluepill is tasty!
            You do realize that the Courier isn’t fatigued with American politics the same way you are, right?

      • >neo-communism
        There isn’t a single instance of communism being implemented in the way that the man responsible for the ideology imagined it. Even now, the only major Communist Party in government don’t practise communism, instead practising ‘socialism with Chinese characteristics’, which itself is yet another form of neoliberalism. So what the fuck are you talking about, retard?

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    • >He thinks he should be in charge because he has the most money
      Did you distribute your IQ among your friends? He’s Robert House, owner of RobCo. He designed robots, rockets, and the pipboy.
      He’s a capable leader in the nuclear wasteland, he plans to get humanity into space within 200 years, colonising new planets.

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  11. because democracy lead to the war in the first place
    makes sense he would be averse to it after the world fucking blowing up

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    • Technically the Fallout series starts after WW2 and it’s an alternate history where the Soviet Union never dies. It’s power mad vs power mad. Before the nuclear death happens, there are already global wars and bioweapons.

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