Why did there need to be two of them and how come they were excessively overtuned compared to prior sublegendaries?

Why did there need to be two of them and how come they were excessively overtuned compared to prior sublegendaries?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    dropped plot, they were going to have a story or subplot but it was cut which is why they just appear as roaming legendaries with no lore

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder if they were meant to be linked to Pacifidlog, that would explaining where Pokemon Heroes took inspiration from for part of the lore it gave to the Lati@s.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        pacidilog is the closest to the cave to activate the regis, the tower with rayquaza, mirage island, and geographically the southern island and is totally optional
        i have an autistic fan theory that this old art of the blue haired lati trainer was from an atlantis like place because she is wearing a toga (ancient greece clothing)
        this would be way different and too fantasy for the pokemon series so i can see why they could have gotten cold feet, but in my headcanon this place would be accessed by the dive hm

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Personally, I believe Mirage Island and the Southern Island were intended to be the same thing; namely, the Mirage Island we got in the final version of the game didn't exist, and it would be Southern Island that appeared in its place, with the member of the duo you meet matching the color of the game you're using (Latias in Ruby, Latios in Sapphire). How the island would be made to appear would likely have been different from the final (and, as you suggest, may have employed use of the Dive HM), but the whole 'memories and dreams' thing might have made a bit more sense if it was referring to the nature of the island - and the duo living on it - itself.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    they were kino

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It feels like something that just isn't all there. Southern Island is this mysterious place with esoteric messages about dreams and reality and memory, but Latios and Latias are pretty mundane legendaries with nothing to them beyond "they are smart and don't like fighting".

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Personally, I believe Mirage Island and the Southern Island were intended to be the same thing; namely, the Mirage Island we got in the final version of the game didn't exist, and it would be Southern Island that appeared in its place, with the member of the duo you meet matching the color of the game you're using (Latias in Ruby, Latios in Sapphire). How the island would be made to appear would likely have been different from the final (and, as you suggest, may have employed use of the Dive HM), but the whole 'memories and dreams' thing might have made a bit more sense if it was referring to the nature of the island - and the duo living on it - itself.

      Memories and dreams are absolutely connected to the duo. They’re called the mugen pokemon in Japan, and their abilities revolve around projecting illusions, and casting their memories/visions into people’s minds. The ability is specifically called dream casting in the original script, but the dub opted to call it sight sharing.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    has gamefreak ever acknowledged the similarities to the togepi line?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      no

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      I used to think they were new togepi evos when I first saw them

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      mos gen 1 gen and 3 pokemon look the same because they were designed by 5 or 6 artists now we have like 20 and thats why the new designs look like shit

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What does the D stand for?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Drowsy

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    people don't want to admit it but hoenn is where the legendary bloat started

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      its true. as much as i like the Regis they just dont need to exist at all

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're just the Birds/Beasts of their gen, whereas the Latis are Pokemon classified as Legendaries despite having nothing particularly special about them other than their stats.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          ?
          Regis are legendaries so are the Latis, they just aren't box legends/restricted Pokemon. GF doesn't use whatever terminology you are trying to use here.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Gen 1: Trio, restricted before facilities were a thing, mythical
            >Gen 2: Trio, two restricteds as legendary Pokémon are now used for box-arts, mythical
            >Gen 3:Trio, trio of restricteds, two mythicals, and two "legendaries" with no lore or intended mystery behind them
            There's a noticeable difference

            • 3 months ago
              Anonymous

              >there’s a noticeable difference
              Yeah it’s just an extra set of sub legendaries but there’s two instead of 3 oooooooo

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >i can't accept that gen 3 started the legendary bloat because it's my favorite! >:(

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why are we counting Mythicals as Legendaries?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Because Lengendaries is the generic super type. Sub-Legendaries, Restricted Legendaries, and Mythicals are all Legendaries.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                >ultra beasts
                a moron made this, alola has like 4 legendaries not counting prevos

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                wait frick i missed the tapus, 8 i guess

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                what about the ultra beasts makes them not legendary? they stats and the uniqueness of the encounters is classic legendary

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                they're aliens, they're common in their dimension but not ours. those stats are actually pretty normal for over there, the power creep has gotten abysmal.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                deoxys is a legendary alien

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                he's a legendary because the source of dna not because he's an alien, those guys are just alien animals. although granted elgyem exists so... idk it's inconsistent. maybe the feds for cloned him in a secret orre facility, would explain why beheeyem wears a suit. they wanna save their kids but they can't stand out without getting caught and experimented on too.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you one of the morons who insist that primals and megas are totally different things too?

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                no i hate those morons, im one of those morons who thinks we were better off without both

                what about the ultra beasts makes them not legendary? they stats and the uniqueness of the encounters is classic legendary

                they're just the regular fauna of ultra space the same way the paradox mons are the regular fauna of area zero, they're much more analogous to those than they are to legendaries.

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                you went from calling someone a moron for thinking the legendary pokemon are legendary pokemon and then when given an opportunity to explain your thinking you just shared your fanfiction, delusionally thinking its canon
                babe you are cringe, rethink things

              • 3 months ago
                Anonymous

                they literally say it in the game

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Regis are cool and that's why they should exist.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        the Regis are fine, they can stay. same for Deoxys.
        everything else goes in the can.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous
  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >prior sublegendaries
    there were no prior sublegendaries, they were the first ones to not be trios, mythicals, or box legendaries

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      trios are sublegendaries

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    they are movie pokemon; they were made for the movie and put into the games as an afterthought
    this is why the series started having too many legendaries and mythical pokemon; movies

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      why no regi movie?
      They were shoved into lucario and mew's movie, they didn't do much

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        they seem to have been the obligatory trio of 580 base stat legendaries made for the game explicitly, most pokemon get designed by the game team for the game, a handful of legendary pokemon are made in collab with the anime team for the films which is why the latis debuted at the end of gen 2 before RS released

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    they are cool, and we deserve cool pokemon
    sugimori deciding that pokemon need to be uncool was a decision that creeped in around gen 4

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >sugimori deciding that pokemon need to be uncool was a decision that creeped in around gen 4
      Extremely wrong and if anything Latios and Latias are an exemplary example for that concept rather than being strictly "cool".

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Extremely wrong
        explain beta abomasnow if this wasnt something that solidified in gen 4
        also why is the well known quote about luxray? contrasted with the lesser known quote that they tried to make more tough looking pokemon in gen 3 in response to backlash over the baby pokemon and cute pokemon in gen 2?

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Latias is cute!

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Smogon airplanes

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Latias has never been a serious Smogon mon in OU, they only use it when they deem Latios too broken
      it was only ubers viable in debut

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >how come they were excessively overtuned compared to prior sublegendaries?
    it's literally just possessing recover (and refresh) that put them over the edge
    they'd have been OU without Recover

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